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I'm Adam Epstein and I'm a dirty moderate.
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Dirty moderates.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for listening.
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As always.
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I always want to thank the listeners for helping this
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podcast, be what it is for seeing it grow, for being
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helping it grow.
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I should say, and for being so loyal.
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Thank you.
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This is stay dirty stained moderate every week.
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I am here with my take as you know, I sit down with guests of
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all Stripes, all backgrounds with people,
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I disagree with.
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That's what we do here.
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And people I agree with some who I sort of agree with and we
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talked we discourse right?
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We And that's a big deal if you think about it.
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Why is it a big deal?
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Well, we have in the last six years and I say six because I'm
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including 2016, become a bullying culture, a bullying
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Society.
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I think Trump is partly to blame.
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I think he symptomatic, but I think we are a killer be
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killed.
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And I mean, that in a metaphorical sense, of course,
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culture.
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I think we are authoritarian in our actions and our
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If so, I think we're intolerant.
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I think in many cases, that is a right-wing and tolerance and
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many other cases.
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It's left wing collar because I think we don't want to hear, we
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don't want to hear, we don't want to be told, we are right
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or wrong.
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We don't want to disagree
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with people or have to disagree.
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Shall I say with people who we think we shouldn't disagree
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with?
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What does that mean?
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Well, I don't know why Democrats have to be brain-dead
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in the state of California with some of the worst leaders,
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running the city of Los Angeles, the city of San
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Francisco.
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State a democratic super majority that is completely
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spendthrift.
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I believe, corrupt, totally incompetent and wrong on.
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I'd say half the things and they continually go vote for
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these people.
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Why?
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Well, because they are blue, right?
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Because we've had, we have this talk all the time, on your
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team, red and your team blue, and that's all it is.
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We've solved the world's problems.
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I have all the right answers.
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You have all the right answers were done
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wrong.
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Absolutely wrong,
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very short.
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Citing, very stupid, very foolish,
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very babyish.
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And in many ways anti-democratic small be right, and
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this is becoming, it isn't becoming.
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It is an infection and it is infectious.
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When you ask your fellow liberal or fellow conservative
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or fellow independent, why they think what they think
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they say, well, I think I'm supposed to think that way or
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it sounds good, or it feels good.
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Right?
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I'm a sensitive guy.
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So we should be sensitive about this or I'm an insensitive.
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Sin, and I don't think we care.
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Well,
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neither of those things are relevant to whether the good
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policies are not right.
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So moderates, you know,
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we got to talk about, obviously, few things.
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But first and foremost, we have the biggest authoritarian,
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bully.
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Who is the farthest thing from a Mater?
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Is the governor of Florida around us.
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And this I think this guy has got to be maybe beside Ted Cruz
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and Greg Abbott Governor Texas.
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This guy's got to be
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as Paramount and pointedly an asshole.
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Is anybody I understand.
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This is engaging in his continued war with Disney in
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Orlando
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to the point that he has now gotten the vote of the Florida
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Senate.
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And by the way, everyone who doesn't know I'm born and
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raised in Miami Beach, Florida.
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Florida at one time.
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In the old days was considered kind of a southern Democratic
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State.
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Obviously, as you know, has trended read in the last decade
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or so.
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Interestingly enough, Bill Clinton carried it.
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The second time.
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Oh, Barack Obama care to twice Joe Biden.
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Lost it.
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The makeup of between them,
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the Venezuelan Cuban Community, large streaks of Latino
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conservatism mixed with the Aging population.
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And the state north of the I-4 Corridor is pretty red.
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It's become more reliably Republican, which is
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interesting because that's not always been its history, but
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it's become.
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Also a Haven for wacko, Birds.
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Okay, John McCain, famously called Ted Cruz.
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A wacko bird.
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It's one of my favorite word's.
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So Ron DeSantis now his attack won't stop.
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What's the attack about?
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Well, the attack is about Don't say gay.
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And to be clear, the bill don't say, gay doesn't say, don't say
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gay.
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Okay, in other words, that that is what the opponent's have
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labeled it.
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And I am on the opposing side to be clear, but it is, it is a
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bill that is really restricting specifically kindergarten to
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third grade classrooms from teaching, about sexual
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orientation, or gender identity.
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It does bleed into higher grades because the language is
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so vague in its
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That,
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who knows if an 11th grade teacher decides to talk about
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his or her, let gay partner, what that will mean for the
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students of Winter Haven.
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Florida, be a gas where the kids at Pensacola ever be able
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to withstand the idea that one of their classmates has two
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daddies.
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I mean, first of all, I can't believe we're talking about
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this but a lot of this animus and this is really important,
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is rooted in the anti-trans movement, which is gaining a
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tremendous amount of momentum, and is sweeping a lot of the
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red States.
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Especially when it comes to sports, but the Santa's going
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further.
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The Santas is saying,
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I can't believe Disney is withholding donations and
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criticizing me and my Administration for doing this.
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So I am going to take away a key provision.
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Which Disney has enjoyed?
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It was this provision by the way, was agreed upon in 1967
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Disney World.
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We're talking about, did not open until 1971, but they enjoy
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their own self-contained municipality.
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What does that mean?
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They're exempt from certain fees and regulations.
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Oceans
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and they get to act as a little mini City, you know, free from
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you might say government interference.
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Now, I'm old enough to remember, and I think many of
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you are when the conservative movement felt that government
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shouldn't meddle, right?
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They've always had a little bit of contradiction about whether
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it's your meddlin Nippers, private life, but that, that's
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not what this discussions about.
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Certainly two days.
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They're not really conservatives when they use
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that term.
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Today's
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let's call them denizens of trump a stand.
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Are in the business of punishing people with whom we
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disagree expanding the power of the state.
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Not shrinking government, right?
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In this case, in the State of Florida, but the state being
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the government and using it as a weapon weaponizing, it
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against your political enemies, the vulnerable, the
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marginalized mainly because it works the base into a lather
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and it quote unquote owns the lips.
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What I'm trying to say is this a bad faith position?
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Does that mean there aren't legitimate people out there who
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have issues with
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gendering and gender?
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On pronoun and the transmitted.
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Yeah, I do.
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And I don't think all of them are in bad faith.
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I think a lot of Americans need any time in this area to
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understand how to catch up with some of this stuff.
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But these people right want to make it punitive.
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They want to stigmatize that they want to hurt people.
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They want to see the power of the government in regulatory
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action
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in Vengeance.
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Taking away right now.
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Disney the biggest company in that state, you know, Florida
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is known mainly for its tourism.
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Doesn't agree
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Disney employees.
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A lot of gay people
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does.
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The employees trans people Disney has been very forward on
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that.
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They had civil union.
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Several Partnerships long before marriage equality was
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the law of the land and they don't like this.
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They it's bad for business.
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They think it's bad for Florida.
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They make it's bad for human beings.
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Rhonda Santa's is on an authoritarian Quest.
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He's going to run for president.
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I assume he will be re-elected.
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Sadly, this fall in 2024, if you all get out and voting
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wouldn't
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But, you know, this might be your the people's decide to
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stay on the couch because they're so fed up.
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And then two Santa's is positioned as the governor of
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one of the largest states with believe.
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It's 27, electoral votes to run for president.
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I still think Trump is running.
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This is going to be quite the food fight of a shit show
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recently.
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By the way.
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There's a video with Roger Stone and Trump at an event and
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Roger Stone says, you know, around the same.
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This is a piece of shit.
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It's all on tape went viral, Trump doesn't say anything, but
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he kind of Nod, so, you know, he's smarter than that, but But
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the point being is we have a guy who is a bully and my
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started by saying we're and intolerant bullying place and I
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believe since 2016,
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Trump unleash the ID on our world that ID, right?
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And did not know that the ability of you than in the
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super-ego and Freudian terms, the idea that you were going to
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go and act out every impulse that you want to have because
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you are fucking pissed, you are loaded for bear.
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You are ready to come out.
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Swing against your opponent.
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You're not there just to disagree with your opponent's
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ugly.
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Think we're To do or that we
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should be doing in a democracy.
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You were there to punish them.
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This is, this is the Rhonda.
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Santa's Trump's GOP Playbook.
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We hate you so much.
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We will pass laws, even if they're unconstitutional wrong,
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even if we Sully
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somebody's name or or try to block something.
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Let's say in the case of Catania brow Jackson where, but
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for three Republicans, they all voted no acted abhorrently.
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Lee at a hearing Astra questions, like, how do you
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define a woman and our babies racist and all this stuff?
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And again, I talked about this before.
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My point is, this is nothing to do with whether she was
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qualifying.
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A lot of the stuff going in, Florida has nothing to do with
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deep animus
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on the part of everybody against, let's say the lgbtq
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community, but if you're in politics, you got to do what
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the politics we want.
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I think it's terrible politics, but you have a guy into Santa's
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who is governing with an iron fist, so it doesn't matter what
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you think.
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And let me say this.
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I'm not excusing.
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And the net result is the same.
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If you make bad policy that hurts people, still hurts
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people, whether you meant to do it or not or whether you were
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doing it for the complete childish, bogus unamerican
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reason,
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right of owning the lips.
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Now as already knows, I'm not a liberal.
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Okay, not a Democrat, but I'm also not a conservative.
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I'm not a republican.
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I have
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I think I have
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what shall we say?
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Visitation rights in both parties suppose harder and
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harder to have visitation rights the Public and party,
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but you know, it's election year and I'm listening to
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podcast with Democratic strategist Democratic
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pollsters.
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You know what, guys, you don't get it?
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You just don't get it.
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All right, everything with this with this crowd is well, you
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know, we have democracy under threat and we've got racists,
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and we've got bad people.
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All this is true.
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By the way, everybody knows here.
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We fight like hell for democracy, or we do it
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everyday.
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I do it on Twitter.
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I do an Instagram.
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I try to do in my life, but, you know, in this room
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That I'm in.
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And I thank you for allowing me to have this world.
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We have a party.
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That seems unaware that when inflation and gas prices are
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hurting the average person, regardless of whose fault.
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It is voters are going to vote.
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Yea,
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turning around saying, well, it's because of this, or
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because of that.
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And because of this, and because of that, because of
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this, nobody cares, okay, it's we're coming out of a horrible
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time.
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Horrible, pandemic.
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I think the scourge of trumpism still is very much
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coursing through our bloodstream.
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I'm even though Trump is in president and you've got a lot
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of trauma.
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You also have a lot of exhaustion, but democracy
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depends upon your tirelessness authoritarians are counting on
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your apathy.
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Okay, they're counting on you being over there, counting on
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you not being willing
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to get out and vote.
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But then when you get stupid comments, like, well, if
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everybody just or didn't have a problem with Devon, the police,
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it would be.
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Okay.
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And it, everybody spoke out constantly consistently about
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identity politics, and what group you're in, then all would
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be fine.
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Wrong wrong wrong.
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The country isn't a left-wing country.
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It's not a right.
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This is a Centrist country.
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It's probably Center really come to think of it.
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Probably Center left.
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But if you Center left center right today, what's right?
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And what's left is been so skewed and so blown apart,
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because remember, Trump took so many aspects of the
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conservative movement and those sort of long-standing norms and
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shattered them.
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Right?
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I mean, the hating of the national security agencies and
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the hating of law enforcement, especially in January.
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Six, they only like them.
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If they're if they're being used to break up, you know,
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civil rights, protests tariffs, you know, loving Russia saying
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things like George w--.
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Bush was a terrible present, Iraq was a mistake hating.
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Neoconservatives mean all this stuff was, you know, part and
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parcel of Republican ideology and philosophy for many many
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years.
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So we're Far Cry from right from Ronald Reagan.
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Well, so very Far Cry even argue from George w-- Bush, but
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I do see
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Disaster.
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And I hate to say it because I don't see and there's a lot of
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races, right?
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Every house.
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See it is up.
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Some of the Senate seats are up and it doesn't work that every
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Senator is up every four years because they're on six-year
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terms.
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So Congress, people have to run every two years for the 435
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seats in the House of Representatives.
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And then, there are 100 senators and I believe, a third
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of them were up this year.
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It's a better map for Democrats than it is Republican, but it's
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not a good year.
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Listen, it's not Joe.
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His fault that he's facing headlines, but headwinds are
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had one, you know, it was like during covid-19, people would
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say, well, there's no work right now or no activity, or
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everybody doesn't want to do anything because of covid.
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Well, stasis is stasis.
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Similarly, political headwinds are headwinds and we're so
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tribal to the point that I think the Democrats are
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constantly, not on guard, not playing offense.
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They're always playing defense.
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When Republicans come out.
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Do something as horrible as don't say gay to call it that,
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because that's what we call it, or the Republicans do something
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like
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Greg Abbott, they were blocking trucks coming in so that you
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could clog up the supply chain.
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They get outraged, they get offended.
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You know, my God if there's a time, every Democratic, no get
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offended by something, they get offended, and they and they
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whine about it rather than getting on the offense.
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And how but saying we're not here, do PR.
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We're not here to dilly-dally and being around the bush call
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around to save this for what he is,
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you know, come out and say this is what Disney's doing it and
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it shouldn't be on my dad.
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Can you believe it?
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It's a red State.
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Oh my God.
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I hate red States.
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Well, that doesn't solve any problem with 50 states were
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Union.
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As long as you as long as we would like to be and I think we
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will be okay.
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We're not a secessionist group of people.
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And by the way, every state that's red has blue voters in
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it.
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Every blue state has read voters and everything isn't
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one.
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One Fell Swoop.
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Everything is in one kit and caboodle if you will.
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And so you think about 20, 22, and you wonder, what else can
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the Democrats do to make things worse?
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What else can the by demonstration do?
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Well?
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Now we're going to have the CDC appeal.
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A federal judges, voiding of the Ask mandate on public
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transport, which happened just the other day to Great
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consternation and moralizing by the covid police.
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Okay.
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Here we go.
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I want to make clear, you didn't have this podcast
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before.
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I was very Vigilant about this.
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At the time.
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I believed in it and triple vaccinated.
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I've worn it.
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People don't want to do it anymore.
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It is now endemic, it will come and go,
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and I'm sorry, that that's the case.
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Trying to block.
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What a judge has done for something is deeply unpopular.
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Whereas this literally is a Glide path to people like Ron
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DeSantis and Donald Trump and Kevin McCarthy.
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If you really think that you need to wear a mask on an
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airplane, even though you take it off, half the time to eat
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your food and drink, just like the stupid rule when you have
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the bar and you think that's more important than preserving
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democracy, especially at the
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place.
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We are now with covid.
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I disagree with you.
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I really disagree with you fundamentally and I'm saying
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this, not because I'm against masks, not because I'm against
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covid, but covid fatigue is real.
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And also mental health matters, quality of life matters,
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and that's all we can do.
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There's always going to be weak people who need help.
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There's always be poor people.
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There's always going to be people who we should look after
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I agree.
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But you can't organize society around this forever and ever
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and ever, and public health must be balanced with personal
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responsibility.
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I believe.
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Now, we are at that place.
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What I have said that pre-vaccine know, I might even said
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that six months ago,
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but I want to tell you, the Democrats are going to impale
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themselves driving.
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Artists take of their own fortunes and arguably
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democracy.
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If they die on this hill,
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it's not a hill worth dying on.
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Okay?
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Freedom means freedom for everybody.
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I don't have to wear a mask.
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You can wear a mask for the rest of your life.
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How about this?
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To all the hand.
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Ringers?
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You wear a mask?
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Nobody's saying, you can't.
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But many of us, I travel time at.
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I don't want to wear one anymore.
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Okay, as I said, I did the precautions.
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I didn't say covid-19.
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Speaking like a real person.
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This is how we feel.
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So same way gas is high inflation side.
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All of these things may not be a product of one party or the
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other though, Trump mismanaged grotesquely the pandemic and
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its Origins.
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But Here we are now,
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okay, and I just want to say, we have to think about things
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in a holistic way.
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We have to be able to step outside of ourselves and
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critically.
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Think we have to not say well, we've always believed that or
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this is so and we have to stop being so goddamn tribal and
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partisan.
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I'm like you
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I think I'm like you.
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My wonderful listeners and like many Americans.
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I wish all would listen this Pockets.
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Anybody.
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You're not a Democrat.
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You're not a republican.
00:17:15
You're not a covid.
00:17:15
Cop.
00:17:16
You're not a covid denier.
00:17:17
You're not a homophobe and you're not.
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Not a homophobe.
00:17:20
You're not a transphobic.
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Okay, but you also don't want the government over regulating
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your business.
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You want people to live their lives.
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Today is April 20th, by the way for 20, it's weed day.
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Well, we'd should not be, it should be a legal thing.
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NG.
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Okay enough already with the Cannabis regulation enough.
00:17:39
You can decriminalize like Amsterdam.
00:17:40
We can talk about the details.
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Government does has no business being, you're prude parent,
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telling you what you should and shouldn't.
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Do you want to go get stoned?
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Get stone.
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Leave me the fuck alone.
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Right?
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And that's what I say.
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We all want to be left.
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The fuck alone.
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Life's hard enough,
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governments to Big
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the Democrats over reach though.
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They are the party that I think believes in democracy, but our
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two-party system now can exist because we have lunatics and
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what ends Happening is you just reaffirmed the worst of the
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Democrats because they won't be checked in their power and blue
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States because nobody will vote red.
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I'm not saying they have to vote read, but that's impasse
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that were at.
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I think that impasse that intersection that sweet spot is
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where I live because I'm in the middle and I don't everything I
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said today.
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I don't have the answers to, I don't know.
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Is all I'm saying.
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I have opinions.
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I know a lot of them are informed opinions and so are
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yours,
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but I don't know.
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I might be wrong, but I do know him in there somewhere.
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We're in the middle strata,
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and I'm somewhere there.
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But I've always been politically homeless,
00:18:41
may be suspended in midair some of the hate that,
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I'm a Centrist.
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I'm a dirty mug.
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And I want to thank dirty moderates for joining me on
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this podcast.
00:18:51
Listening those who join me, those who are listening and
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everybody progressives, conservatives.
00:18:56
Never Trump has everybody.
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We all are in the fight for democracy and we can all
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continue to disagree because democracy depends upon the.
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We can't hate each other
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because we hate each other this experiment called America no
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longer exists,
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folks.
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I don't know if you smoke weed or not, but it is 420 smoke
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weed.
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If you do go have a drink, do whatever you want.
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I'm gonna go have a drink in the meantime.
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Stay dirty.
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Stay moderate.
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Thanks for listening.