Months Into a Case and Still No Evidence | Episode 470

Months Into a Case and Still No Evidence | Episode 470

A lawsuit can say almost anything on paper. The hard part is proving it when someone is under oath and the details have to add up.

We talk about the First Amendment, freedom of speech, and why I’m willing to speak publicly when the subject is my own livelihood and the people around me. I also share a blunt reality many listeners face in silence: if you’re paying for legal help and your attorney isn’t listening or acting on what you bring them, you’re allowed to make a change. The attorney-client relationship is a professional partnership, not a life sentence, and protecting your interests is part of navigating the judicial system.

Then we get specific. Using our understanding of the Pennsylvania Unified Judicial System public access policy, I walk through a deposition summary tied to a defamation complaint in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. The claim says our content drove people away from an organization and caused $350,000 in losses. But months into the case, after roughly 293 days, the testimony we discuss raises a core problem in civil litigation: the lack of direct numbers, direct attribution, and clear causation tying specific departures to specific videos, podcasts, or posts.

If you care about legal accountability, public records, and what “evidence” should mean before someone puts a dollar figure on another family’s name, this conversation is for you. Subscribe to the show, share it with someone who needs it, and leave a review with your take: what should courts expect when accusations are big but the numbers are missing?

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Chapter Markers

• 0:00 - Welcome And Big Sharing Goal
• 2:20 - First Amendment And Turning The Channel
• 5:50 - When You Need To Fire A Lawyer
• 8:05 - Public Records And Case Background
• 11:30 - Why Former Counsel Was Let Go
• 17:20 - Deposition Answers On Alleged Losses
• 25:15 - Accountability And The Pizza Shop Analogy
• 31:12 - Closing Thoughts And Share Request

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Transcript

Welcome And Big Sharing Goal

Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes 0:02

Hey everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices. So glad you're with us, whether you're watching, listening, whether you're here in the United States or somewhere across the globe outside of the United States. Thank you so much for making the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast what it is. The demand uh is just uh so incredible. Uh we are at the end of the month here, and we have had a record-breaking month. Uh, and it's just amazing as a testament to you. Uh we're we're just sharing the information. That's all we're doing. And uh it appears that uh there's a lot of demand for sharing uh easy topics or tough topics, and today's gonna be a little bit, I'd say in the middle, closer to the tougher topics. Uh so thank you. Thank you. Give us a big thumbs up, like, follow, subscribe, share. If you can, reach out to 25 contacts in your phone. Share the voices for voices, TV show, and podcast with them. Uh, we do have a huge goal to reach and help at least three billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond. I can't do that without you. We can't do what we've done up to this point without you of reaching over a thousand uh a thousand uh cities, uh over a hundred countries. I mean, it's just it's just incredible. And again, we can't do that without you. So thank you for that. And uh we are sending our love and support back to you uh to have you have a happy, prosperous life, whatever that means for you. So thank you for joining us. So what we're gonna do today is uh we're gonna be doing some uh education and some a little bit of information, thought, thought-provoking information, uh to to to to see what what you uh what you think. Okay. Um for anybody who has found themselves in any type of trouble legal-wise, whether you did anything or not, and uh and that's the big part. We're bringing it from the aspect of well, there's a First Amendment, so if somebody doesn't like this show, I don't care. Find another show, go go find something else, and that's been echoed so much with the information that we're going to be talking about today in this episode. Is we do have the First Amendment, freedom of speech. I'm allowed to talk, share about myself, uh, topics, hot topics that are going on, information. Uh and so you do have that first amendment, and and so that's what I like to say. Haven't said it in a while. I haven't thought I needed to say it, but I think I need to say it. If you don't like voices for voices, if you don't like the content, buy, buy, go go find something else, go find something else to watch or listen. I don't want to spend my time and your time on this earth, which is so limited, for you to watch and then just get all upset because I'm covered by the first amendment. So that's whether I have an that's whether I have an attorney or not. I I have a first amendment, right? I'm a U.S. citizen. You can check me out. So that's that's that's the first area we want to talk about is the First Amendment, right? If we're watching a show and we don't like it, we turn the channel. If we're watching a movie, we change the movie. If we're playing a video game, we change the video game. That's just what we do. We just change it. We don't get all up in arms about things, especially when we're sharing information that we believe and we have shown is to the best of our ability, best of our knowledge, as what we believe the truth to be. Okay? So we start there. Next, we have an awesome judicial system here in the United States. We have an awesome judicial system. Part of that is if you know you're looking for attorney representation, you get to figure out if you want, you know, it's kind of like a relationship, right? You gotta have interests on both sides to make that work. And if any of that changes, then you have to look at, okay, do we continue this or not? And so if you have an attorney who's not doing their job, not listening to you, you're allowed to fire them. You are. That that's what that that that that's what that's called. Uh it's a hard thing to do if you want to do that, right? Because that's going against the grain uh from what people usually do. Uh, but I'm a big believer again. If it's not it, if especially when you're paying good money, any money is good money, when you're paying money to somebody who's not listening to you, not doing things, actions in your best, in our best interest, we're allowed to we're allowed to say, uh, you know, we no longer need your services. Okay. So that's that's kind of two things. Now we're gonna get into uh we're gonna get into we're gonna get into something here, okay? And so when we look at what we're gonna be talking about, we're gonna be talking about words. Words that are said, questions that are asked, and this is with our understanding of the unified judicial system of Pennsylvania public access policy. That's a mouthful, isn't it? And so we're talking about deposition transcripts, okay? And this is all this is all public information. Um we're redacting where we need to redact, um, and this is under case number two zero two five-one five seven zero nine in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. This case has been open for two hundred and ninety-three days. Two hundred and ninety-three days. This case has been open. That's you know, we're working our way towards a year, okay? And I'm gonna get to the get to why that's important. Why is that important is because what I'm about to share, what I'm about to talk about, the information that is being asked of opposing uh the opposing member that is being deposed. And so when you when when when you hear me talk about and hear about, well, we haven't figured that out yet, or we haven't, you know, we haven't come to that conclusion yet. Just think about it. Case has been out for 293 days. There's a lot of things you can do in 293 days. There's a lot of things you can do in 293 days. And if you're serious about what putting forth, should be able to have that information. Otherwise, why why why am why do I why do I have to put this show on? Because I have to hold people accountable. People have to be held accountable. And so again, this is in the Court of Common Please in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, case number 2025-15709. And this deposition was taken at the end of at the end of February. So I'm not given the exact date. It's a deposition. So it's it's where questions are asked and there's answers that are be are given. So at this time of this deposition, the attorney asking the questions was on was our attorney. We have since relieved them of their duties for not being uh what we we felt was uh but we felt we felt they were derelict in their duties. And there's also some other things we can't talk about. Um but the big thing is we we we felt they weren't they weren't doing what we asked them to do. We would ask them something, we would share something, and it wouldn't be used. And so when I got so when I sort when I get back to earlier in the show and I say you're allowed to let your attorney go, you're allowed to do that. Sometimes things are easy, sometimes things are hard. So what I'm about to share with you, again, I I shared that act that we are operating under the assumption because we haven't shared the day we're gonna be general in our questions and answers and that. Um so I think we're we're covered anyways, uh that if if we wanted to, but we're not we're not gonna we're not gonna share write a exactly what was said. So the question, so if I say q, and then after the q, that's that's the attorney asking a question. And I say A, that's the answer from the individual who was part of the group that sued for defamation, said that us, and I can share this because I I run I own Voices for Voices. We were sued. The big thing, the big two things was voices for voices was the direct result, the direct reason that people left the other side's business. They have a membership, they have conferences, they have all kind of all kind of you know different things that they have as a as an organization. And so that was one thing that we were directly the reason why, like Johnny says, Hey, I'm leaving your organization, and it's because of voices for voices, or it's because of David Solomon, or it's because of this video or this podcast or TV show. This is these are the direct reasons, this is the direct uh yeah, it's just it's it's the direct reason that these individuals are said to have left the organization. This is the other side. This isn't our side. The other side is the one that set this up. This this uh lawsuit. And so they came at us, came at me saying, hey, you're the reason. Justin Allen Hayes, voices for voices, David Solman, you're the reason why directly we have lost three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And we haven't gained any c customers since then. So again, Johnny leaves the organization for whatever reason. That that's what that's what that's what the other side wants you to believe. What I'm about to read is a deposition in a summary format where the leader from the other other other side is being questioned by our former attorney about just that about voices for voices, David Solomon, our videos, our shows, our TikToks, whatever. So keep that in mind and keep in mind that this has been open for this case has been open for 293 days. Here we go. So the question, in summary, is uh so when you're talking about uh, you know, viewers, you know, that are watching these videos, you know, people are reaching out uh to you, is that is that is that what I'm is that what I'm hearing? So that's what the that's the question from the attorney. The answer from the individual on the other side says, um, again, I'm summarizing. Um we we couldn't really see who the viewers actually who they were, but I'd only know, right? We'd only know if if a viewer or a person, an individual came back to us. Okay. So now we're getting into it, right? Talking about viewers of our show and tick tocks and and and so we're getting into the good part question. Uh so you know, when these viewers, you know, when these people, these individuals come back, uh are there any people, individuals uh from this organ your organization? Have you lost any based off of this complaint? Which is what this is. It's a it's a lawsuit, it's a complaint saying voices for voices, Justin Alanese, David Solomon, you're the reason why we've lost 350 grand. Back to the Q question. So of these individuals, okay. Uh, so when we talked about you know about losing, you know, we we gain, do we lose? Uh so did you did you lose any any of those people that are paying uh based off of this complaint? And more specific, have have those people who have left your organization said, hey, voices for voices, episode number whatever 123. I'm just throwing a number out. This is the reason why. Voices for voices is the reason why. David Solomon and his videos are why answer well, there's not really direct uh information about this that I I'm aware of. You know, just you know, people are just leaving. Uh remember, 293 days. It's been open. Answer. Uh, you know, through the you know, what to where we are, you know, today, we haven't really looked, we haven't found, or we can say determined, came to a conclusion of what what that is or how big that is. We just we just think it's continual as long as you know those videos are up. So did we hear that? Did we hear that? The answer to the question have we lost and paying members? Well, yeah, we you know, we win some, we lose some. Okay, have you been able to tie directly the consumers that were paying members of your organization? Have you been able to tie that directly? Have they had Johnny said voices for voices? That's the reason why I'm leaving this your organization. Or David Solomon, or this video with voices for voices, or that video. Hmm It's been open case has been open 293 days and there's been no determination. So why would we why why would an individual go to the point of well we're gonna put a lawsuit together and put you know 350,000 on the table as well that's because of you, Justin Allen Hays, because of you, Voices for Voices, because of you, David Solomon. Why would we do that when we haven't determined what that number is? We just, you know, there's just there's just these videos that are out there, you know, people are watching and listening, and so the more come on, this is a legal matter. We're talking about lives, we're talking about families, and that's the best you can come up with. Question How many people or you know, thereabouts have you know uh uh uh have they left at one time? So, you know, did like five people leave at one time? Did twenty did two a answer uh I don't know I don't know question okay so since the end of your investigation, which you claim that it's voices for voices fault, Justin Mount Hayes, David Solomon's fault, but yet you weren't able to come to a conclusion on the number after 200 and now it's 293 days, so it was you know, maybe 30 days behind, so 260 days, whatever we're being general in our terms here, okay. So this investigation was the reason why this lawsuit was supposedly filed, so they didn't have that the other side didn't have that number and still doesn't have that number today. So have any, you know, what uh since the you know you're under investigation, you wanting to go for this, um has any has anyone signed up to be a member of your organization with all that all that's going on? Uh you know, the A answer. Uh you know, are you really getting that has that you know since since all this has happened, uh has anybody subscribed? And then the question yes, answer. Oh yes, yes, yes. Three yeses. Two hundred and ninety-three days, folks. Two hundred and ninety-three days. So I read you in summary, again, I I didn't get into absolutely everything specifically. I'm going off of the unified judicial system of Pennsylvania's public access policy, Freedom of Information Act, uh, could also uh I'm I'm not I'm not stating that that's why that that that's the reason of the reason why is finding the unified judicial system of Pennsylvania's public access policy. And so I'm sharing right now, here and now, that the very people who are suing us for 350,000, they're suing Justin Allen Hayes, that's me. Voices for voices, that's me. David Solomon, you know him very well, saying, you're the reason why Justin Allen Hayes, you're the reason why voices for voices, you're the reason why David Solomon, that we have lost subscribers. Yet I can't give you the number. I don't know. I haven't determined, we haven't determined that yet. We just don't know. We don't know this. Yet a lawsuit gets put together. Think about that. A number literally probably pulled out of thin air, 350,000. They don't even the other side that is doing the suing doesn't even have any fucking numbers to back up what they did and what they're doing. So how dare you come after me and my family and David Solomon and his family, and you can't even come up with any numbers. Today, 293 days since this case has been filed, this deposition, end of February, subtract 30 days or so, whatever. That gives you a little bit of perspective. So 260 some odd days plus the amount of time that some supposed investigation went on is, and there's still no numbers. There's still no numbers, but yet we're gonna accuse Justin Allen Hayes, we're gonna accuse Voices for Voices, we're gonna accuse David Solomon that you're the reason why people are allegedly leaving our platform, and the number is 350,000. So I'm backed up by the First Amendment. I'm a United States of America citizen. I was born, raised in the United States of America, and I'm allowed to share my opinion. I'm allowed to talk about this because this is my livelihood, this is my organization, this is about me, this is about a friend of mine, and 260 days plus whatever the amount of days for the res uh the investigation. Uh, we could we couldn't find how many numbers, but we just said, well, you know, the those videos are up, so people are leaving, and uh. This is we're talking about something that's legal here. We're not talking about like talking with friends and stuff and saying, like, I think you know, you're stealing my business because you opened a pizza shop down down the street. Um, well, there's five pizza shops within uh three mile radius, but I'm gonna say it's because it's it's it's this new this other pizza shop. But I don't have any proof. I don't have anybody that comes in and said, it's because of this uh pizza shop C that uh that I'm leaving you for their I'm I'm I'm not gonna go to you for business. I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to you know the this other pizza place. Pizza shop. That's what it is. That's what that's what this it should make you mad. It should really make you mad that this is happening in the United States of America. That this is even a thing that we can just sit there and just allegedly this and allegedly that, and we don't have any numbers, we don't have anything direct, nobody, we don't have Johnny or whoever saying it's because of voices for voices, it's because of Justin Allen Hayes, it's because of this voices for voices TV show and podcast, because of these TikTok videos, blah blah blah blah blah. No numbers have been produced. So thank you for joining us on this episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast. Covered a lot of information today. Uh it's uh it's important, it needs to be shared. It's a tough topic. Topics that we talked about today, I guess, you know, at the beginning, I said I was kind of in the middle, but no, it's kind of you know a little difficult. Um, I know a lot of people are gonna be watching and listening to this one. Uh again, First Amendment summary, and our understanding under the unified judicial system of Pennsylvania's public access policy. And to put a bow on this, this this deposition that that I have, our former attorneys did not want, they said, we don't want a copy of that. We don't need we don't need a copy of that. So I had to do it myself. I had to contact the company, I had to get that myself and pay for it and do it that way. So I said at the beginning, if you you know your attorneys or whoever you're representing you, you're paying them money, and they're not doing and uh doing your wishes, we we don't we don't have time for for that. We don't. And so we did what we thought we needed to do, um, and that's also why we are doing this video, because more people need to be made aware about this that's happening here in the United States of America. The my first amendment, our first amendment. No numbers have been produced. 293 days. No numbers. So thank you again for joining us, for watching, listening. Give us a thumbs up, like, follow, subscribe, share. Uh, if you're able to uh reach out to 25 people uh in your phone, uh contacts in your phone, let them know about the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast. Uh we're we're keeping it real. We're talking about tough topics, easy topics, we're talking about life, we're talking about humanity, and we just want to help people. We want to help three billion people at least over the course of my lifetime and beyond. So let's celebrate the voices of everybody and let's be a voice for you or somebody in need. Bye bye for now. We'll see you on the next episode.