Here's The Story with The Brady Bunch's Eve Plumb

HAPPINESS INCLUDED: It’s finally time for Jan, Jan, Jan!

Sandy has a groovy chat with the legendary Eve Plumb, famously known as the misunderstood middle child, Jan from The Brady Bunch. Eve offers delightful insights into her new memoir, “HAPPINESS INCLUDED: Jan Brady and Beyond.” Since Eve and Sandy are longtime friends, their conversation feels like a cozy, personal catch-up—plus, they even talk about George Glass!

Executive Producer Kristin Overn

Creator/Executive Producer Sandy Adomaitis

Producer Terry Sampson

Music by Ethan Stoller

Happiness Included: Jan Brady & Beyond (Book)https://www.kensingtonbooks.com/9780806545035/happiness-included/

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Hello, my name is Sandy, the social media director for the page, international Screenwriting Awards, and your host for the Writer's Hangout. A podcast that celebrates the many stages of writing, from inspiration to the first draft, revising, getting a project made and everything in between. We'll talk to the best and the brightest in the entertainment industry and create a space where you can hang out, learn from the pros, and have fun. Hey writers, it's Sandy I'm coming to you from Studio City, California, the crown jewel of the San Fernando Valley and home to more sushi bars than actual bars. Boy do we have a great show for you today. I'm thrilled to welcome Eve Plum, the talented actress and painter. Best known for her role as Jan Brady on the beloved 1970 sitcom, the Brady Bunch, and someone I feel lucky enough to call a friend Eve is here to talk about her new memoir. Happiness included Jan Brady and beyond. Let's start the show. Eve Plum, thank you so much for joining us on The Writer's Hangout. Happy to be here. I've never asked you. This is so random. Right off the top of the interview. Do you watch Reality TV at all? I don't, oh, darn it. I don't watch it. it's just not a thing. I dig. this show that I'm watching, summer House has a scandal. Mm-hmm. And nobody I know watches it, so I was just hoping to, um, no, I watch a lot of TV and I love tv and I wanna be on tv. Uh, but, but reality TV is not part of it to me. Okay. Hey, can you tell us about happiness included Jan Brady and beyond? And let all the writers out there and the listeners where to get your book. it's my memoir, if you will. I finally wrote one. People were begging me write a book. It'll be fun. It's not true. no, it's my memoir. I really wanted to talk about my early days as an actor before Brady and. You know, continue to tell the stories that people have been asking about. I also did the audio book, so that's available. It's available I think on the Amazon as is the book, but, Barnes and Noble and lots of other, booksellers in your region. I didn't know that the audio book was out already because I will be getting it in all forms. thank you. you were joking. You know that people were begging you to write your book right? All day long, but why now, Eve, what sparked you to write your memoir now? sometimes you think about doing something for a long time and then all of a sudden it clicks and it's like, yes now. So it had to do with people, I think some, and yet another person asked me, you know, tell me your stories for my book. And I'm like, I don't wanna give away my shit for you. I would've, if I'm gonna tell my stories, I wanna tell'em in my book. Good point. You know, number one. Number two, I've never been the kind of person who journals or wants people to look at me or all of that. that was part of the reticence as well. And just finally just, well, just seemed right, you know? Yeah. You've never been a person to, even at. I have to step back'cause you called the Brady Bunch Brady and I really kind of like that, so I'm gonna take that on myself. Okay. You've never been like, uh uh, the type of person to throw around your Hollywood stories. Mm-hmm. So I am thrilled that I am gonna get to read about them. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Also, just decided I'm not gonna throw anybody under the bus because it just seems too petty. we all have relationships where we have issues with people, but what good does it do, either of us, for me to be catty about somebody that's completely. You know, it, it doesn't matter. Absolutely. Just be, just be mean again. Why I don't watch reality tv. See, yeah. There is, some cattiness in reality tv. Yeah. I do have to admit now the title, which I love, happiness included Jan Brady and beyond? Was that your first title? Did you think of other titles? I had other titles that nobody got the reference, so I had to change it. It was gonna be happiness included my life in the Jan Lane, Life in the Jan Lane. I love that. Yeah. I thought it was very clever and like three people got it. And the publisher was like, what? So I thought long and hard and came up with. The most astonishingly different subtitle Nobody's ever had that one, but you know, I really had to have Jam Brady in the title. So. Maybe I should have been like Jen Brady beyond Infinity, you know? I like it. I think it's a very good title now. Thank you. We're not gonna get into the petty atmosphere with this next question. This is truly the way I felt even as a kid watching you. I found your acting a bit more grounded than the other kids. Mm-hmm. On the Brady Bunch and no shade on them. They were all very, very talented. I kind of assume maybe because you had a lot of acting under your belt, even before you got on the show, you simply had the acting chops. Did the powers that be on the show try to reshape you? Oh no, they didn't try to reshape me. I mean, they were always looking to us, to what they could minus us for, So clearly I had this long storied four year career of being able to cry on cue and being the little girl in peril and, lots of emotion. So maybe that was what they used it for. I mean, certainly, like you say, all the other kids were great actors. so, no, they didn't shape me, but they would be like, well, okay, Eve needs glasses. We'll write that into the show. because that would make sense, you know? Right. It's good, it's good material. Right. I can, verify, that you can cry on cue. cause we are at a birthday party up in the hills somewhere. I don't remember. It's strange living here in la but we were talking and crying came up and you said you could cry on cue and I think I said do it. And you did. Yeah. Yep. In the middle of a party. I think it was Cynthia Tis. Birthday party or something. I can't remember. Mm-hmm. Oh, Val Ewing. Why am I thinking of valuing? I don't know The name sounds familiar, but that's the actress's name. And I think she showed up'cause that was okay. The person who was throwing the party, she, that was her mom who played, uh, valuing on, I don't know. I can't remember. What do you think is the most misunderstood aspect of your time on the Brady Bunch that people talk about? I think people think that we're all rich and rolling around in money. they're like, oh boy, you guys must be set for life. And No, but that's probably a good thing. I think a little bit of resistance in life Keeps you sharp. So I'm sharp as a knife, but, uh, but yeah, the nobody knew that there was going to be cable tv. Nobody knew that this would ever have any other life beyond 10 reruns. We would be paid for 10 reruns of each episode, which seemed like, A bank roll. but then it was bought and they didn't have to, pay residuals on these episodes. So that's another reason it's been on forever, is it was, free to them. I think that the, probably, I'm sure Paramount and CBS made their money and continued to, um, and nobody ever, ever doubled backed for you guys? None of those suits? No. No. that just makes me angry for you. but you know, like you said, things happen for a reason. Well. Like the Holocaust. when people, whenever, I'm sorry, but whenever people say that like, oh, it's meant to be, it's like the Holocaust, you know that, that makes about as much sense if you finish the, yeah, it's like between the sheets, if you finish the sentence with that. which is a horrible thing that popped out of my mouth, but it's sort of pulls up the point about that, so that's why I don't ever believe it. It's not that it was necessarily meant to be, it's what happened and that you deal with the, with the aftermath. You know, I think, people out there, they, think of, you as a sweet kid, you have a really sharp mind and sharp sense of humor, and it's just one of the surprising things about getting to know you is, hmm. Really how quick you are. Oh, thank you. I gotta say though, you know what the groundlings was a big part of that. Really during the ground lengths was a big part of that because I'd never wanted to take acting class because I felt like I didn't know what I was doing anyway and had no idea why I was as had any sort of success, and I certainly didn't want to be shown up in some sort of serious acting class. So I, that's why I went to the ground lengths and that's why it clicked so well with me because I was so used to doing tv. So used to being immediate. That it gave me a great confidence in talking to anybody and not worrying about if I made a fool of myself and, uh, you know, just going ahead and making the joke and, and, you know, it just gave me great confidence. Now, the Groundlings, the Groundling Theater? Yes. In la everybody who's anybody in comedy? Has gone through the Groundlings. Mm-hmm. I mean, I think Saturday Night Live literally just goes in, right and goes, you, you, you come to New York, right? It's just an, an iconic, theater company in LA and it's improv. So you do have to learn, to be free on stage and think, and, answer, questions. And it's always yes. And, did you enjoy your time at the Groundlings? I really did. I got. I gotta get, I guess, you know, anybody who doesn't get accepted into the Sunday show, they have a process whereby you take classes and then you're judged on whether you should continue the classes or whether you should move on to the next class. And the end goal being to be in the Sunday show, which is their secondary company. And then the ultimate goal is to become a member of the troop, the ground links. and I had repeated a class and. I felt that I had done well enough in my last set of classes, so that when they asked me to repeat again, I took Umbridge one might say. Mm-hmm. And decided to take what I had learned on the road. who was your teachers? Who, who taught you? Oh my gosh. Mindy Sterling. Oh, Mindy. Me too. I love and adore her. Yes. and she gave me the bad smell face. You know, the bad smell face. Make the bad smell face. Steven Hibbert my big takeaway, my big memory is we're just in beginning improv in an improv scene. it's not gonna be about where we're sitting at home petting the cat, right? It has to be, have, make the stake higher as a way of explaining that, um. I can't remember her for writing lab. Short, dark haired woman. Oh, she was so great. Um hmm. That, yeah, that was where I developed a character that I, based on a teacher as you do. And then of course, Cynthia Sigety. who Lisa Kudrow calls out in her writings, in the New Yorker, interview she did. She talked about Cynthia. I'm so happy about that because as we know, Cynthia's name kind of has been, left outta history. Yeah. You say, well, like she said, she was, she's like, she's Mozart's teacher. She's Salieri. That's what she called herself. I have not been to the Groundlings. theater in forever. Me either. every once in a while, Mike Hitchcock will be in something. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I tell myself I'm gonna go and then, right. I, I just don't. Yeah. But, next time you're in town, let's grab Steve and we'll go to the grounds. You think we could get Steve away from Santa Monica? No. No. Oh yeah. Mike Hitchcock. I was in class with him. So was I. You and I were never in class, but I was in, lab, I think it was with Okay. I think I did. I may have done What's the last version? Advanced. Advanced may have done that when you do a show. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was it. I'm not sure. Yeah. It was him and, and Roger Ocker, Corky pronounced oi. who has been the writer for, the Simpsons for 11 million years. Corky oi, who? Yes, you're gonna love this Eve. She came on. Mm-hmm. And she came on The Writer's Hangout. with her son who co-wrote a Simpsons. script with her. Ah, so cool. Yeah, let's talk about you and writing, and first of all, congratulations. You wrote a book that. To me is just so huge. It is arduous. It is fun. it's, a lot of work. What does a typical writing day look like for you? Well, I realized when I decided to do this that anytime you do something for the first time, it can really suck. So I knew I needed help. So I interviewed a couple of people and I knew I wanted Marsha Wilke to help me with this. She had, written a thing with, Sharon Glass that was quite wonderful. Sharon's book. So. I don't know that I would term myself a writer. I don't think that I can accept that mantle. I think that I could write well, but I think that I really needed help with crafting a book. So that's where Marcia came in. So we did a lot of interviewing. It was like a wonderful, soft psychoanalytic session where, but I wasn't really pressured to make changes. just to talk about myself, And she would ask me questions and then she would send me material and I would correct it and change things and do stuff. and then at the end of the book, I didn't realize with the timeline, with. Reading the galleys and looking over things when I had to make changes by, so I found myself under the gun adding things and making changes and doing things and pissing off the publisher because I was like, no, that, that bit's not right. No, I need, I mean I changed, the bit about my sister and Halloween. it was different the way Marcia had written it, and I was like, no, I want it to be as it actually was, which was. Her version was me saying my sister, when I went up to, when I was a little girl, went up to the door and there was a witch at the door for Halloween, and my sister on the, on the sidewalk said, Hey, don't you scare my baby sister? In the way Marsha had it playing was like, oh, come on. It was Halloween. But I had to rewrite it and say, no. That made me feel very safe for her to do that. Oh, things like that. Yeah, things like that. I, I went in and I made it as personal as I could in the time crunch that I could. And I still feel like you do with any work of art. That it's never finished and it's never quite right. I'm afraid I may have missed something, but there it is. It's in print. were your nights just filled with the words tossing and turning and trying to I had a lot of it go. for the most part I just let it. It just sort of seemed to happen and it was fine. And I think that was the problem is that I was like, okay, this is good. And I didn't really drill down and pay attention until the end. And then I was like, oh shit, I need to to work on this. And then I did, yes, like you say, toss and turn to worry about. Whether I was being attendant enough to, to it. Are you happy with the book? Yes, I would say so. I haven't read it again. Well, I, no, I read it for the audio book and I was actually fine with it so I could say yes, I am happy with it. Um, I don't, I didn't read it along ago. Oh, that was awful. Shit. I missed that. So yeah, I'd say I'm happy with it as your friend. I'm just so happy that you are happy with your book. Oh, good. let's go back into your, early acting and you get started on it Takes a thief. Mm-hmm. What was your role? Was Robert Wagner dreamy in person? Tell me everything. Okay. We have to remember that it's 2026 and that it back in the 1960s. Things were different. So I was like eight or nine. But yes, he was dreamy. And yes, as we know, as children, things are sort of set up the way they're gonna be set up. And I found him very dreamy in a very innocent little girl crush kind of way. I knew I liked men right away. But you know, you're just innocent. You don't know what that really means. so the role I played was,'cause this is also the Cold War. I was the daughter of a scientist behind the Iron Curtain. and my family and I were escaping across the border. And I got stopped by the guards and the parents made it across. And so here I am. I've been kept behind In an apartment, this funky apartment with a woman playing my Guardian like you know, Nazi adjacent, woman. I think we were Bulgarian or Bavarian or something behind that Iron Curtain. And I just recently saw her in another old movie and I took a screenshot. I was like, that's the actress that played my jailer. So. Robert Wagner has to go undercover behind the Iron Curtain and he finds out where I am and I'm in the kitchen and he knocks, he comes to the window and he points to the pot on the stove, and he's like, push it off. So I push it off and that calls in the guard and he, ties her up, puts her in the closet, and takes me on his back up and over rooftops Climbing up and stuff, which was all shot interior. Oh my hell. Your heart is just beating. Oh my God. He smelled so good. I bet he did. He just so handsome. And so the other fun thing is, and I've got a couple of pictures in the book I,'cause I was always little girl in peril. I would have a stunt double that was a a little person and it was always a man. And so I've got pictures of me with a little person man in my similar dress and a long, long wig. But it didn't shoot right, so I got to do the stunt quote unquote, whereas on his back, and we were, we were climbing up and over some things that was so much fun. Eve, I would lead with that story every time I met someone new. I literally would do that. Now It's 1976. Uhhuh and every young woman saw Dawn, portrait of a Teenage Runaway Now, before I go any further, I, I'm gonna do a real quick, synopsis Dawn, portrait of a Teenage Runaway is a TV drama following 15-year-old Dawn Weatherby Eve Plum, who flees an abusive. Alcoholic mother for a better life in Hollywood, unable to find legitimate work, she is lured into prostitution by a pimp. Now you don't see that word very much anymore. Eventually finding a friendship with a male hustler. Can you tell me about that time? That must have been a really big moment. As I look back and so actually just recently some new information came to light about this. my agent would've been either I was requested or she, I had to audition. Okay. I had to audition and there were two other people. It was when we did screen tests. So I screen tested with a different guy that ended up in the show, Lee McCluskey. Yeah, Lee McCloskey. I tested with a guy actor named Michael Mullins, who I ended up dating even though he was gay. He took me to my senior prom. And anyway, so looking back though, Douglas Kramer was the head of a, b, C, I guess. maybe it was on NBC. Anyway, I had this idea recently that maybe he was responsible for my getting the role. It would make sense in my mind, looking back, that of course, we're gonna cast Jan Brady as a hooker. You know, it's such a, it's such a thing. So, and I think my parents and even my. Children's agent who I soon left after that, realized that it was a great opportunity to be seen as taking a big step away from Jan. And it really was, it, led to a lot of TV movies and things like that. So it was a good idea. did you shoot on the streets of Hollywood? yeah. And there was that moment there where I'm dressed up in my, my hooker drag, and I have on. God, I had on this rabbit hair coat that kept shedding and getting stuck in my false eyelashes. And so I was standing, it, it reads a little bit differently in the book, but I was standing there trying to get stuff outta my eyes at the curb a few feet away from the. Movie crew and this guy pulls up in a convertible and goes, okay, get in terrified me. so I ran to the director, Randall Kleiser. I said, oh my gosh. A guy just tried to pick me up and he said, use it. And that was like I say the book, it's like my first piece of real direction of understanding of like, oh, okay. That makes sense. we've kind of mentioned some of these names, previously, but you and Cynthia Ti the improv teacher. the actress, Claudette Wells. And, the producer, Steve LaRue. We used to gather every Mother's day, to honor our mothers that died too young, and we called it Dead Mother's Day. And your home in Laguna Beach became our gathering place. You left LA to move to Laguna, then you left Laguna to move to New York now. What was the thought behind all of that? LA to Laguna, Laguna to New York. Very different places. Right. let me see the timeline.'cause this is, this has been a while now. Laguna Beach was where I grew up as a child going to. Family vacations, we would stay at a little place on the beach and I would, swim in the ocean and make sandcastles and play. It was magical. So I'd always thought, I'd love to live in Laguna Beach and Ken loved Laguna Beach. So we bought a house there and we had it as a rental for a while, and then we decided to pull up stakes and move down there for, for All in Good. And we were there for. 10 years maybe, and I was on the design review board and I got to be part of the community. And then I had left the board and Ken had an opportunity. We had always said, well, you know, if some opportunity comes to move to Europe, that'd be great. We could like go to Europe. And he had this opportunity to work in Switzerland and so we were all just buying winter coats and ready to get the dog an international shots. When he got the call that the thing has sort of fallen through and he was just gonna go for a couple of weeks and that would be it. But that gave me the impetus, the idea of if we're gonna live someplace else, we can't wait for it to happen. And France is too hard with all the French, and if you dunno anybody in France, yes, they're not gonna be like, Hey, come on over for dinner. but I didn't know people in New York City and I thought, well, I could even get jobs out there. So I flew out and stayed on people's couches and, I asked Cynthia Sigety, who do you know that knows somebody that could get me a thing? I never worked so hard ever, and I had got agents and, I was stated with my friend, Broadway's John Bolton, and that led to me getting an off-Broadway play and Ken agreed to move out and we're here. We decided to sell Laguna Beach and live here. Staying in the LA area, you spent some time in park La Brea, And I forgot to ask you why you were living there. Did you see any ghosts? Because I firmly believe that land is haunted. Well see, this is where I have to be careful not to be rude. Because I know that there are no such things as ghosts, you don't believe you're not gonna see'em. So that seems to work. So no, I didn't see any ghosts. Okay, good. Moving on then. Now I saw an ad on Instagram for a glass and it had George Glass et. And I was gonna forward it to you, but I didn't,'cause I thought, you know, you must get that stuff. All the time now in my defense, the glass was adorable. do people send you lots of Brady Bunch content and do you like it? They don't send it physically to me, which is a good idea. I am not a good celebrity. If you send me something, I will not respond. I just can't. I just, you know what it's gotta be across the board. It's gotta be all or nothing. So, yeah, I don't receive things and I think maybe that's out in the metaverse or whatever. Don't send shit to you plum. You'll never see it again. the metaverse I believe in, but not ghosts. And, there's also another, there's a cartoonist that I follow named Carmen O'Donnell, who did a George Glass T-shirt. And it's interesting because, you know, we have the plum good stuff, so I'm always designing and putting things on and wondering about, content and. Rights. I don't think that anybody has the rights to the words. George Glass, Jan Brady is not a name that you anybody could use. Jan Brady. Uh, the Brady Bunch I think is copyrighted and so forth, but, it's just amazing that this stuff is still out there and people know about it well enough to think that they could put it on a product and that it's going to be. recognizable. Yes, why don't you tell the, writers and listeners out there a little bit about Plum Goods, because I have a mug and I have a notebook that I've ordered from you. Oh, oh, shoot, sweetie. Always just tell me and I'll hook you up. Um. Yeah, it's something that, that name had been in my mind for years and I'd always thought, you know, it'd be so much fun to have a store where you get, you know, I wanna sell cute things like in a store. you could do that online. And I thought, okay, I like this items and those earrings and this thing. And then I discovered that there's a whole world of being able to put your own designs on products. essentially white label, I think it's called. And so we are able, Ken and I are able to, with a graphics program, create these graphics and place them on products and have it available for sale that day. there you go. Instead of having to create the product. wait for the, prototype. Okay. The prototype. Have it mass produced, you know, and then pay to have it stored while we wait for orders to come in. it's plum goods.com. It's Plum Goods tv. Oh, okay. Say that again. Clever for people. Plum Goods. One word. Tv. Go check that out guys. Yeah. It's also got, coffee'cause the full name of plumb goods is plumb goods, happiness included. And so we started a line of coffee called happiness Included Coffee, and it's all based on, terrier names sort of dog centric. Flair. Eve? Yes. Besides all the talent that you have. Oh, it's so much. It's just so much. You are talented painter. These oil paintings have been displayed and sold in galleries here. The US and in Europe. What do you enjoy most about being a painter? That I am in control. It's only up to me whether or not I do it or don't, whether I like it or not, whether I can good at it or bad at it, whether I'm willing to continue, it's all up to me. which is maybe not so good because I haven't bit it in a while and it's kind of hard to get back at it, you know, it's, but once I get into the groove, I remember how much I love it. it's always fun. Even when it gets frustrating. And I think that's the thing about painting is people always say, I can't draw a straight line. And well, you don't have to. and you just like with learning anything, you have to be willing to get past the hard part. And I think that you find, like with writing or painting, you continually have to be willing to get past the hard part. and I'm not gonna probably ever get past the hard part with watercolors because I'm not willing to put in the work, or cooking because I will. Continue to chop off fingers. Um, but with painting, even though I get frustrated or I can, I can take a step back and. Well, I'll figure this out. I'll just keep trying, when did you start painting? as a child mom, would, you know, if I said I was bored, she'd give me a piece of paper and a pencil. but mostly right after my divorce, when I was, didn't have my horse anymore. and I was living alone in, away from like a lot of friends and. So I needed to figure out what to do that didn't cost a lot of money while I hoped for auditions, and so that's when I was really able to concentrate on teaching myself how to do it the way I want it done. What was your horse's name? Ace. Oh, he was a sweetie. I never really talked about that. I didn't know that you lived. Up in the hills isolated with a horse and your paintings? No, no, no, no. I lived in Redondo Beach. Oh, okay. I was riding out at Portuguese Bend. And then when I left that, I was living down in downtown la I did not live with the horse. The horse was in Portuguese Bend. Okay. You lived in downtown LA that Yeah, I did. Wow. Yeah. Was that a bohemian stage Yes. Cool you? Yeah. Yeah. It was, echo Park. this really, really cool old building. I think it was an old apartment building that had been cut up a little bit more, but it was right next to the Hollywood freeway, and it had a bay window that where you overlooked, most of downtown. It wasn't like at Fifth and Alvarado, it was, no, I take it back. It wasn't Alvarado Avenue. but yeah, it was through a friend of a, of a friend that I found the place. and when I went there a few years ago, it was still there and it still looked pretty good. So that's nice. for the writers and listeners out there, downtown LA is not your typical downtown for a city. you could live in LA and never go downtown. for those that were, surprised that me reacting so big is because I'm assuming you were kind of down there when, when it wasn't gentrified, Right. It wasn't gentrified and my parents were terrified that I was living there. Yeah. Which was also part of the appeal. Um, even though it was 25. Um, yeah. But it was just a lovely little, you know, neighborhood. It wasn't a rich neighborhood. It was, you know, bungalows and things. It was right next to the freeway. Um, I mean, downtown itself, the business di district can still be pretty skeevy. Um, and what's with the pantry closing? The hill. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. The reason you would go downtown is like you would go to the pantry. There was gorkys was a big deal, was open a lot. Get outta town gorkys. Yeah. You have just Yes. Flooded my mind with memories. Right. Um, wow. So also, and it was, it was so funny because I was there during the 84 Olympics. When, it was gonna be, it was gonna be black Tuesday, where the, it's gonna be gridlock and it was lovely and fine and everything went off just beautifully. Did you try to get any, Olympic tickets for 28? no. No, I did. Yeah. And it was so disappointing. Opening ceremonies was like$5,000. Um, anything, anything that I wanted to see, which for me, correlated to or equaled. Close by from where I lived. Right. I couldn't, I'm not gonna pay,$350 to see handball just because it's two feet away from me. Right. it is. Okay. Right. Yeah. Now this is the most important question, your co-star, Christopher Knight Yes. has a furniture line, Oh, right. Yes. And do you have any discount codes? I don't think so. Sorry. But let me know and I'll see if I can hook you up. Okay. Lemme know if you have a specific item you want. I'll see what I can do. Okay. will you read a portion of your memoir? Sure. Um. I don't have it in front of me, though. I could tell you something I wrote about, but I can't necessarily quote it directly. Okay. I wrote about, the day on the set of Lassie, when I was doing Lassie as a kid. This is before the Brady Bunch, and it was, this is another reason I wanted to write the book because these memories are so precious to me. I got to be on Lassie. I forget, I must have auditioned, but that was the days where if I went on audition, I got the job. And so here I am, I'm gonna get to be on Lassie. And not only that, I got to go to Red Weather Waxs House so that I could Meet Lassie and the little dog I was going to work with, the storyline was that I'd gotten a dog for Christmas and it ran off. And of course, Lassie goes and flies it and brings it home because she's Lassie. It's Lassie. Of course. Of course. Lassie was a boy. Lassie was a couple of boy dogs that are most beautifully groomed, and so I went to Rud, weather Waxes house, my dad took pictures of me with Lassie and. And because their sponsor was Campbell's, we got a set of Campbell's glasses that looked like the cans. Aw. It was just so great. But. So again, I'm a little girl in peril. The dog is gone. It's Christmas time and I'm on the set in, what was it? I had to cry. which again, wasn't hard because I'm good at it. It already knew how to do it, but that day I couldn't stop crying in the scene. I like, we did one take or two takes, but then I couldn't stop crying'cause I was sick. I was feeling sick. I had like a sore throat and a fever, but I was working anyway. and that was really sort of scary, you know? here I'm a kid and I didn't know that, you know, that your emotions can take over. So my mom pulled me aside and, calm me down and it was okay and I was fine, but, but yeah. Yeah. So that was weird. Yeah. can we play word association, before we wrap up? Certainly. Okay. first word that comes to mind when I say painting. Fun. Stage five. Paramount Studios. Old Home Week and Pace. My love Acting, lifelong Commitment, central Park. Calm the Groundlings, uh, shit. education. The San Fernando Valley, smog. Chris Knight friend. Rain. Okay. I'm sorry. God dogs love New York Home Coffee Warmth High School. Hmm, nothing. Sorry. Wiener Schnitzel. Oh yes. delicious Sports. No thanks. Laguna Beach, other home, A down left monologue. The ocean soothing theater, acting pizza, toppings, mushroom dodi, the dalmatian owner. Character, the Brady Bunch. Familiarity. Eve Plum, thank you for doing that. Please tell us one more time where we can get happiness included. Jan Brady and beyond. Yay. Thank you. and where we can, look up your book tour dates Yes. Kensington Books is the publisher and they will have it posted. you can buy the book at Barnes and Noble, and of course Amazon and booksellers in your local area. I appreciate you talking to the writers out there. And again, congratulations on your book. Thank you so much, and thanks for having me. It's been a lot of fun. and that's a wrap for the Writer's Hangout. Thanks so much for listening. If you enjoyed the show, please take a moment to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Your positive feedback will help us keep the show going so we can continue bringing you more future episodes. Remember, keep writing. The world needs your stories. The Writers Hangout is sponsored by the Page International Screenwriting Awards, with executive producer Kristen Overn, Sandy Adamides, And our music is composed by Ethan Stoller. Alexa, you are gaslighting me,