Ian R: So don’t call it a comeback because we didn’t go anywhere. Welcome back to Inspector Toolbelt Talk. We did go somewhere. Actually, I did anyways, Beon, I took two weeks.
Beon DeNood: I was just gonna say you actually did go somewhere you had one of your vacations, which means just working in another location.
Ian Robertson: Yeah, exactly. I don’t vacation well, it’s just not my personality. I had a good time, we took a couple of weeks off from the show. Haven’t done that since. Oh, my goodness, last November. So that’s why if you didn’t see an episode come out for the past two weeks. I did the dorkiest stuff that you could possibly do with my awesome daughter. We went to a little bit of a Star Trek convention. We took some pictures on the old set of Star Trek and hopefully, soon we’ll get to do the next-gen set. Then, you know, we went to the ocean and hung out and did normal people stuff and it was fun. It’s a good time.
Beon DeNood: That’s awesome. Yeah, it’s a great time of year. We’re doing it down here in Florida. The weather’s just easing off a little bit. It’s the rainy season, of course, but yeah, real good weather. We were actually this morning, we were looking out for that. That giant rocket that’s supposed to be taken off, but I guess they scrapped that launch but astronomical numbers associated with that thing. I don’t know if anybody’s into rockets and that kind of stuff but if you live here in Space Coast, Florida, you kind of have to be so it’s pretty interesting.
Ian R: You know, I’ve thought about what it would be like to live where you are like, for those of you don’t know, Beon’s down and like you said Space Coast Florida but do you like to walk out in your backyard at night and go oh, hey, look, there’s a rocket in the air. Like,
Beon DeNood: literally, happened to us like a few weeks ago? Yeah, we were standing in a driveway and I was like, what is that? I didn’t recognize it was a plane because a lot of plane traffic. You’re like, nope, nope, that is a rocket. Actually not as you mentioned just the other night, I was working kind of late, the whole family’s asleep, you know, so it’s quiet in the house. All of sudden, I feel this boom and the windows actually I can feel a move. You know, that kind of like big sound. I’m like, What on earth was that? Because that many times when the dragon capsules reenter, they splash off the coast over here. And I looked online, I was trying and there was a launch that had happened. It was actually the booster landing back on the drone ship just off the coast by us. When it reentered it was the sonic boom, that hurts. So yeah, it’s some crazy stuff that happens all the time here.
Ian R: Okay, so now that you told me that, and this is completely off subject, we will get talking about it, guys.
Beon DeNood: We’re going off track here.
Ian R: We will get talking about our subject here in just a minute but I wanted to tell you, that we own this little camp up in the middle of nowhere. It’s in the middle of state land, and there’s just nothing around. So one night, my wife gets up and she’s freaking out. She’s there are lights outside this and that. So I and my daughter are making fun of her. Like, oh my god, there’s
Beon DeNood: There are never lights outside.
Ian R: We’re like the aliens are gonna get you. It was just funny. So like, maybe eight months later, I’m sleeping out on the couch and in their little cabin there and looking out the window. All of a sudden, I hear people yelling tone down there. Okay, cool. Go. There are lights and flashing and wind blowing and lights shining into our cabin. Then all of sudden it was just gone and I’m like, What in the world? So I’m like, I’m like freaking out. So come to find out after I made fun of my wife so hard for like eight months. They do drug raids up there with low-flying helicopters and airplanes. So they look for any clearing and the only clearing and like 1000 Acres is our little spot. So apparently they’d like to get really low and shine things around. I’m running around in my underwear going about what’s going on and they’re just looking for drugs.
Beon DeNood: Almost got busted for your moonshine operation in the woods.
Ian R: Anyways, while I was gone, some crazy stuff happened in the inspection industry. Yes, namely HIP announced that they got bought by Porch.
Beon DeNood: That’s a big deal. That was a pretty big one. Yeah.
Ian R: You know, I didn’t see that one coming. I’ll be honest with you. I did not see that one coming. I remember a few years ago, Nick Rumiko said he tried to buy HIP, back when ISN got bought by Porch and Dom didn’t sell. You know, I’m not bashing Dom at all. I love Dom. Both of us do. He’s a great guy. Good for him on what he did and, you know, being able to spend more time with his family and, you know, advanced things great for you Dom, but it kind of shook me what happened afterward. There really wasn’t an uproar. There were like half a dozen guys that are like, Oh, I’m leaving HIP, and then nobody talked about it again.
Beon DeNood: You know, I thought about that too. I think maybe what has possibly said is a bit of fatigue when it comes to the subject you know cuz I mean you think who was it first was a Palm-Tech first or was it ISN.
Ian R: ISN first Palmtech came later?
Beon DeNood: Okay, ISN, Palmtech, and then Homegauge got bought by AmFam.
Ian R: RWS and it was Nathan Thornbury.
Beon DeNood: So those got bought up. So finally, with HIP, I think maybe a lot of the guys are just thinking like, oh, well, I guess, you know, everybody’s gonna get bought up at some stage. I think part of it is like, what, what do I do about it? You know, what, what choice do I have? I guess I just turn some things on and turn some things off and on we go, you know, so I think maybe that’s, that’s why the guys weren’t too concerned about it. I don’t know, Ian it’s looking at this, like you say, everybody has their reasons for stuff. We have no personal agenda here but just looking at the industry in general. Should people be a bit more interested in what is going on? What do you think?
Ian Robertson: Well, here’s the thing. Again, all these other companies, good for them, they made a business decision, you’re in business to make money. They made a good business decision. Good for them. So we’re not bashing anybody’s decision. But really, this is talking about the future of our industry, not the future of the software industry in the home inspection world, the future of us as home inspectors. So when I see this happening, I see two different perspectives me as a home inspector, and then me as a software provider. From the Home Inspector’s standpoint, it makes me nervous, because a lot of guys were like you said, they’re pretty apathetic to it. Okay, another home inspection vendor got bought up, oh, well, then the other side of things. Some guys were like, You know what, none of this actually matters. I go and I inspect the house. I use the software I don’t, and my customer pays me and I go home. The first view is worrisome. The second view is very two-dimensional, in my opinion, because this has a direct bearing on us as home inspectors and our businesses. We were talking a little bit beforehand Beon about appraisers. Now back in what was it 2010 I think it was maybe a little bit earlier. They had this Appraisal Institute act or whatever it is, basically, management companies. So management companies had snuck in really early on in the business, and I teach appraisers. So I am a New York State, home inspector instructor, and I’m certified to teach agents and appraisers, I should do a whole separate podcast on that because if you’re not doing it, you really should, it’s awesome for your business but that aside, the appraisers in the room would always kind of sit there and say, Alright, I just have to get through this. I asked one appraiser, and I’m like, why are you guys so apathetic about this? He goes, Listen, I’ve been in this for 40 years, 30 years, and with a group of appraisers had a whole class of just appraisers one time, and they all talked about how amazing the industry used to be. Or like, we used to make money hand over fist do an awesome job this and that, then a few bad appraisers got us in trouble. The management companies started saying, well, we’ll manage appraisers, and then the great recession happened, and then this, this, and this and this, and it was a sequence of events, and they eventually lost their industry. Okay, this guy was talking about he’s like, you know, the early 2000s, late 90s, I’d make $800 or whatever he said for an appraisal. He goes, now the client gets charged about the same, but I only get a half or less of that because of the management companies.
Beon DeNood: Okay. So they used to be independent, where they would just, you know, billed directly for the services, but now they’re kind of a subsidiary to all the action. Yeah.
Ian R: I mean, that’s, that’s basically us right now. We’re in that transition period that they went through. Home Inspections are the best industry in the world. I remember Ben Gromicko on this podcast talking about this guy rolling up in a Harley, you know, pointing out a few defects and riding off into the sunset. We’re if this was Star Wars we were, we’re Han Solo flying around in our ship doing awesome things. Flying in our spaceship. This is awesome. Once the Empire comes in, you know, a lot of that cool stuff goes away. Making a great living for doing an amazing job, helping people, and making your own decisions. running your own business. A lot of that is starting to trickle away. And the more we let a lot of what’s happening out there happen without standing up as an industry becoming apathetic and saying yeah, okay, whatever. The more of this stuff is going to increase and put us in a position like appraisers where there’s my soapbox speech, I get really, I get really into it because even like the pricing of inspections is lower. Since the corporations have moved in how have home inspectors made more money, or done really any better in the industry, we make less now than we did 10 years ago.
Beon DeNood: Right? Yeah, it is really interesting, because, I mean, you look at what’s happening, and it’s happening slowly, but it seems like obviously, the real estate industry as a whole, there’s a lot of money in the real estate industry. All these companies are trying to figure out how to maximize their income, their profit, their slice of the pie, so to speak. It almost seems like they’ve taken a bead on the home inspection industry because really like you said, I mean, you guys are, you’re the focal point of this transaction, you touch it to be able to give an expert opinion on what the actual conditions are of a home, what it’s, you know, you’re not an appraiser. So you’re not giving putting $1 value on the home, but you’re telling them to look at this is either gonna push the value up or down, this is what you have to deal with afterward and that data is super, super valuable to all kinds of entities. It seems like what may be happening, just I’m looking from a software perspective, I’m looking at newer companies like inspector five, for example, and their business model, where basically, instead of home inspectors being sort of independent and you hustling up your own business, driving your own marketing machine, you sign up to a software platform, and we’ll give you the leads, will give you your business, which, as a business owner, I guess that’s an attractive model, you know, okay, so I can, you know, stop all my efforts, I have to do with that and just pick up business. I think and, again, I’m not a home inspector, but I’m imagining as attractive as that is, it can also pose a lot of issues, because like you said, it’s starting to sort of control the funnel a little bit. How long will it take before? Well, this is how much we pay you for a home inspection, kind of similar to what you mentioned with the appraisers. That I didn’t know as a home inspector, like you just said, I would definitely view that as a negative component of the industry’s interest in the home inspection market.
Ian R: So I agree with a lot of your points there, if I’m going to disagree with one of them Beon, first of all, I agree with the fact that it’s where the industry is heading, that makes me worry, not where it’s at, we’re at that bothers me, sometimes, it bothers me that the average inspection fee hasn’t gone up more than, you know, 20 $30 in the past 20 years, which is insane. It bothers me that, you know, how we inspect is oftentimes determined by our market, determined by the software provider that we have, etcetera, instead of this is what needs to get done. But where I disagree with you is, that the data is actually not that valuable. I have to agree, go back to Nick Rumiko, talking about this a couple of different times. So data not being that valuable. It’s what they do with the data that is valuable and dangerous. So let’s say hypothetically, the data from one inspection is worth $5. So, you know, that’s, that’s not unreasonable to say even more than that, let’s say $10 because a lot of these companies will say, hey, we’ll pay your buyback guarantee for this data, if you have this turned on for every inspection. Cool. So they paid you $5 for $10 data, awesome. But what they do with that data, is what is pushing the industry one way or another. So now we produce a hammer, the hammer is worth $20, or $10. Let’s go back to the $10 thing. It’s what they do with a hammer, they build something with it. So they’re taking that data and doing something with it. What are they doing with it? AmFam is an insurance company. We already know that engaged users have complained that their users can’t get their reports. If you’re listening in the show, and you don’t know, we own a software company, and Inspectortoolbelt, that’s our software company, we’re not trying to bad mouth, anybody we’re not trying to say anything is, you know, push our product. These are really just my rantings of a crazy man. I’m gonna write a home inspection manifesto. You know, so they’re taking that data. They’re selling a larger product. They’re taking that hammer, building a house to sell, but we’re the only ones who produce hammers. So yeah, they’re only going to give us $5 For the data that’s worth $10 That’s where the issue comes into my opinion. They’re taking something that only we can produce, and doing something big with it. It does make me worry, you know, things like homeowners insurance. That’s a lot of what a lot of these big corporations are doing, what the data is selling, and getting homeowners insurance through the data.
Beon DeNood: Yeah, and I mean, that makes sense really. I mean, we have to stop and think you’re gonna say, okay, look, these companies are buying up the software companies for millions of dollars, they making an investment. So obviously, there’s value in the data there for them. Thinking, for example, you mentioned an insurance company, for an insurance company just for the business model to work, obviously, the underwriting process of being able to know what risk is attached to this specific home? In other words, if I’m going to insure this home, what do we need to charge? Do I charge them so much because there’s nothing wrong with it? Or do I need to charge him so much, because you know, managing your risk pool is so important for an insurance company? So being able to have access to that data is super, super valuable for them. You know, you’re talking about the value of data. Maybe I thought of the example of a garage sale, you know, so you go to a garage sale. Typically, the person who’s having a garage sale has said, Look, these items I’m selling here, they’re not super valuable to me anymore, I want to get rid of them. They’ll put a couple of dollar price tag on there, that’s what it’s worth to me but I’m gonna have somebody coming to look at a garage sale, and they may identify some items, they say, Whoa, this is super valuable to me, I will happily pay that because I know what I’m going to do with this. It’s sort of a similar way, I think that these companies are looking at the home inspection industry, home inspectors, you know, it’s hard to put $1 value on your, your data but these companies have something they want to use it for that is much more valuable than what they’re, they’re paying for it.
Ian R: Yeah. We may listen to what you’re saying there about our data and what it means when you may be listening right now to me go on my rant and you may say, Well, how does that change? What do I do every day? How does how was that leading us into a situation where appraisers are the think on top of that, of companies? Again, nothing against it but companies like Inspectify, they’re running a legitimate business, not saying they’re doing anything wrong. Do they set the prices for inspections? Or do they at least indicate here’s a range that will hire inspectors out? If you tell them I’m gonna charge $1,500 for a $500 inspection? Or are they gonna hire you again? So in a way, aren’t they regulating what a home inspection may cost? Are they assigning the inspections, and then taking a chunk of it, you can have, you know, ports as a preferred gold list or vendor thing that they have where, you know, if you’re involved in a program, you get to be on that list. So now, these larger companies are recommending inspectors. At that same point, kind of regulating a little bit, to a certain extent anyways, how much we charge, what we do, what we inspect them what we don’t inspect. That was exactly how the management companies got into the appraisal industry. These were big companies that had nothing to do with the appraisal industry. They were companies that said, this is an opportunity, we can be the middleman, we can fix the issues. Here’s another thing that’s happening. A lot of people think it’s a good thing. If we made home inspections mandatory, there’s at least one province in Canada and at least two states, if not a third or fourth, that are already talking about making home inspections mandatory. In my opinion, I think they’re going to push that forward because what’s happening is, that houses were valued relatively properly but people were skipping inspections, and now they’re underwater in their house because it’s falling apart because they didn’t get an inspection. So legislators here, they’re here, they’re people complaining and they’re starting to push laws. I think as more and more people see during this past housing boom, how bad things actually are in their house, I think a lot of those laws are going to start to get passed. So many of us who have been in an unregulated state and saw regulation come in, never said, Boy, that was great. That really made things better. I said this before, there was a home inspector in my area been inspecting for 30 years was amazing, as a new guy comes on the market, and he says I have the same qualifications as him. You know what he does. So people start hiring the guy without 30 years of experience. So, licensing didn’t help the regulation didn’t necessarily help you have to stand on your own merit to be a home inspector before. Now it’s just a license with a very, very low standard. So once they start making home inspections, mandatory, they’re gonna look to larger corporations just like appraisers, to say, how can we manage these? How can we manage it so the pricing stays the same? How can we manage it so the standards and reporting stay the same? So we can see this? There are little spots here and there that when you say it doesn’t interrupt my life. It does when we’ve built up a career in home inspections, and we’ve been around for 1020 years and all of sudden, we’re getting paid $200 to look at a house for three Yeah, hours. You know, we’ve taken all the liability and stuff, but some other big companies making the money. I don’t know if you guys can all tell, but I get very, what do you want to say fiery about this? I don’t know, I missed the Han Solo days, we’re really losing the Han Solo days of the Star Wars universe.
Beon DeNood: So yeah. You know, to bring up the point earlier, I think a lot of guys, maybe they listen to this. I mean, you had used the illustration before remember about, you know, selling antacids in McDonald’s line, right? McDonald’s is not going to stand for that. The reality is, whatever dollar amount somebody wants to put on a lead or data, the point is that there are products being sold off of your lead your customer that is making somebody else money. You know, even the whole data discussion aside and the ethics of whatever’s going on? Well, you know, we’re not going to get into all of that. Just the value here, are you taking your client, the work that you’ve done, and somebody else is plucking that out as a lead and making more money off of that you see hardly anything for? I think that may be something that may be the chief reason that a lot of guys sit up and listen on this topic and like, Hey, man, that is not right. I want to change that. I didn’t know. It could be right could be wrong.
Ian R: Well, let’s talk about another scenario. I think you’re right. I think a lot of us say, Hey, I’ve used the illustration of a coal miner, we dig out the coal and just give it to somebody else and they give us not much we owe money to the company store, so to speak. I think that’s why most guys listen but there are bigger things behind that. So let’s, let’s think of another scenario. Let’s say more insurance companies realize, oh, man, yeah, the home inspection industry, this is where we’re going to find out about stuff. There’s a whole industry a lot like the home inspection industry, except more regulated in a lot of ways by larger insurance companies, with, you know, insurance adjusters, and all sorts of things like that. What if they don’t need that anymore? Another thing is that we might lose four-point inspections. So if you’re, if you don’t do four-point inspections, this may not concern you. But this is just one example. Let’s say we’re in Florida, and we do a lot of four-point inspections. for insurance companies to get all the data that they need from home inspection reports, again, let’s say hypothetically, insurance companies buy up the rest of whatever’s left of any software providers. They don’t need those four-point inspections. So not only do they take that data, and sell it for something more valuable, they just killed a piece of our industry. Because it’s not needed anymore. Why would they need it?
Beon DeNood: They already have the data, right? Yeah, they already got the full home inspection data.
Ian R: So you don’t need a four-point inspection after that a four-point inspection for those that don’t know, it’s an insurance inspection. So they won’t need it. So these are the things that make me worry, because where I make a lot of my money as a home inspector, also ancillary services. So what if the regulations say you do a home inspection, pest and radon, and no more? Okay, well, we can do a septic inspection, we can do this and sewer scopes in that and but now, either a larger corporation management companies or something else, aren’t really upselling our services, they’re denying our clients, first of all, an amazing service that they need but they’re also regulating us out of doing our business properly.
Beon DeNood: Yeah, interesting because looking at that data flow, you know what it makes me think of funny enough, also insurance, but when I switched car insurance, the next thing I got in the mail was this little tag thingy that I could put in my car. Have you ever seen one of those?
Ian R: Yeah, you were telling me about these.
Beon DeNood: Yeah. So I first saw, like, Hey, this looks cool. What is this, I did a bit more research about it. It’s basically this device, you stick in your car, and it connects to your phone, and it monitors your driving habits, and I guess sends that data back to the insurance company. So in other words, if it sends back good data, and you’re driving safely, then you get a discount. If you’re, you know, driving fast and breaking fast, and whatever bad habits, then obviously, it’s gonna have bad consequences but it got to a point I looked at it, I thought, okay, you know, I’m a reasonably safe driver, you know, I want to save money on my car insurance. To me, I thought about it meant do I really want my insurance company to know everything about where I’m driving, how fast and how slow? I just thought to myself on principle, no, I don’t want them to know that. I think that touches on another pain point in jumping back to the data issue is thinking of the end consumer because that’s who all these products are being pitched to the home buyer right? For them. A lot of them may go through this transaction, use a home inspector with the data that may be going off somewhere else and not really be aware of that and you know that is where a service that a home inspector is providing? I know, for me looking at the car insurance deal, at least I knew about that and I was fully aware and I made the decision, no, I’m not going to but around your house transaction, you’re probably just signing a whole bunch of paperwork. So some may unknowingly, you know, commit to having data sent to these third-party companies who are looking to sell them services. You know, that may not result in a great client experience. Funny enough, looking online, it’s amazing how many reviews you do get from a lot of companies that are selling third-party services to home buyers. How many of them really employ pretty terrible sales tactics, you know, calling them at like four or five, six in the morning, or if there are five or six or seven services, you get 5 6 7 calls, you know, at a time, and all that kind of stuff. When we think about that, as well, for your, for my client, they are getting this business from me, because of my client, that doesn’t make for a great client experience, at least in my opinion.
Ian R: Yeah, and you know, the hard part about it as a home inspector, is, we know, for the most part, that when a person buys a house, that’s when they spend the most money and one big lump not only on the house, but they have to get homeowners insurance. When somebody has homeowners insurance, they don’t usually switch the numbers, the percentage of people that switch homeowners insurance is so low. Once you have it, you just pretty much stick with it statistically, then you’re buying couches, you need a moving truck, you need contractors, you need all this stuff. People spend 1000s and 1000s of dollars in a week or two right after a home was purchased afterward then several months someone So we know that as home inspectors, but we don’t always know what to do with it. Years and years ago, I tried to have a vendor less than I will try to sell, you know, services and say, oh, you know, and it didn’t try for very long, because people are like, Alright, whatever. None of my clients were bothered by it. One client said, Hey, this roof defect was brought to you by ABC roofing, and there wasn’t a roofing company on there but he just said joking. I’m like, oh, that does give a bad impression, doesn’t it? But it’s really hard to go about doing anything with that data. We’re home inspectors, what do you do with it? So somebody’s willing to give us five bucks for it’s like, oh, okay, goes back to your garage illustration. All right, I wasn’t gonna use it anyways, there you go. Then every bit of data that goes to another party changes and shapes our industry. It shapes what we do and how we do it.
Beon DeNood: Yeah. So we know what the problem is. We don’t like the way it’s shaping the industry. We don’t like the fact that somebody else is making money off of our clients and business. Are we going to hint at a solution here that we’re working on?
Ian R: So we are working on a solution? It comes down to taking back our industry. Right now we’re giving our industry away. We can’t roll over and say I’m I own inspection companies. I’m not going to roll over and say, All right, here’s the way the waves go. We need to take back our industry, we need to do something about it.
Beon DeNood: I think that’s the frustration a lot of guys are facing is like, Okay, we know all this stuff. Now, you know, maybe you’re listening and you’re just as revved up as Ian is right now.
Ian R: Yeah, man, but red in the face.
Beon DeNood: It’s like, what do I do? You know, so we’re working on the answer to that. Sorry to interrupt you but go ahead.
Ian R: No, no, no, stay tuned for the answer. We’re excited about it. We’re hoping it’s going to be incredibly awesome and game-changing to the point where everybody kind of stands up and goes, Oh, okay, well, that just happened. So stay tuned for it. We’ve hinted at it before. There are not many people that know about it. So it’s still confidential but we want to take back our industry. That’s what we’re going to call our campaign, take back our industry.
Beon DeNood: I like the sound of that. You know, maybe as a way of just giving some insight, I think, no, no, no, it’s a secret. Well, I just want to give enough of a teaser, because we’ve actually been able to just maybe lift back the curtain a little bit we’ve been able to see get an idea at least of what potential revenue can be generated. If you do it the right way. Why are holies companies so interested in getting these leads quite honestly, I didn’t I wasn’t expecting such a big number out of it, to be quite honest. So, you know, there’s just a little bit more information. We want to make sure that this program is designed by home inspectors works for home inspectors, and that it pays we’re not talking about just you know, a couple of 100 bucks. We want to we want this to be worth it and that’s what we were busy working on right now. We’re close.
Ian R: Yeah. As Beon said, we peel back the curtain, and I was taken aback to I’m like, Whoa, okay. Then we did some verification. We’re like, no, no. Then we did verification, and we’re like, Oh, crud. So there’s, there’s all my only teaser but that’s what we want to do we want to take back our industry, and not let us go out in a blaze of gloriousness. How do you say that? It’s where you just kind of fade away as an industry instead of going out and glory. It’s just like, oh, remember when we used to be independent home inspectors and we had a coal industry? Now we have a phase one Facebook group regulated by the government, talking about how much we hate our pay.
Beon DeNood: yeah, ya know, so yeah, putting the tools in your hand to be able to do something about it, that that’s what what we’re looking forward to doing but yeah, it’s exciting. I’m pretty excited about it. Yeah, guys, if you haven’t thought about it already, you know, I mean, shoot an email over to info at Inspector toolbelt.com. If you like any more information on the issues we’ve been talking about information on the new program we’re coming out with will be forthcoming in the next couple of months but yeah, it’s a very important thing. If you haven’t thought about it, just stop and think about it a little bit. If you haven’t read the privacy policies, if you are not aware of who owns you know, your software, these are all important learning points, Please be informed so that you can make an accurate, informed decision.
Ian R: To be fair, we’re going to talk to a few people on the show coming up, and we’re going to take other sides of the issue. So we don’t want it to be this onerous. How do you pronounce that word Beon onerous?
Beon DeNood: Whichever way you like, it’s your podcast.
Ian R: We don’t want it to be one-sided. So we’re going to talk to several people in the industry about how they feel about the changes in the industry, as well as other topics, and say, Okay, what are the other aspects of the issue that maybe we’re not thinking about? What’s even getting fired up about that? Maybe I shouldn’t? Or maybe we should get more fired up about it? So there you go. We’re gonna see how that turns out.
Beon DeNood: Yeah, no, that’s true because, with any move like this, there are positives. There are things that can be seen as positives but it would be foolish to only concentrate on those, we need to look at the full spectrum and I think that what we’re trying to do is be fully informed. Yeah, let’s look at the other side too. And then you can make your own decision.
Ian R: Well, thank you for being on beyond it’s good to be back have and a new fresh episode for everybody to listen to. As always, thank you, everybody, for listening to our podcast. We have an amazing listenership. Our numbers look really good. A couple of different couples 1000 downloads a month. We’re very happy with how many inspectors are listening in and reaching out with topics and questions and stuff to keep those common. We love talking with you.
Beon DeNood: Yeah, thank you very much for your support. So info@Inspectortoolbelt.com. If you have any suggestions for topics if you’d like to be a guest nominated guest anything like that, or just tell us we did a great job or not so great job. We like to hear all the feedback.
Ian R: Great. Thanks a lot, Beon. Talk soon.
Beon DeNood: Take care
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