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The Power We Hold - S2 Ep03: Trevor Bayack Follow-Up
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Thank you for joining me, your host eco-visual artist and spiritual coach Vanessa Albury, on my journey to becoming a better ally to people of all diversities (bipoc, LGBTQAI2S+, non-normative brained and embodied +) and steward of the environment in podcast form as The Power We Hold! This is part of Coral Projects' work in eco-consciousness healing. In this space we have in-depth conversation together with people of all backgrounds and diverse perspectives about difficult topics full of love, healing and what it is to be a human loving on planet Earth, our only home for now.
In this episode we catch up with Trevor Bayack, formerly of The Freedom Market based in NYC, now of The Spread Love Free Market based in FL. Trevor speaks about his new found levels of spirituality and eco-vibes. It's a beautiful conversation that goes deep and is full of laughs. We welcome you into our friendship and our growth in friendship, healing, activism and love!
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Link to Trevor’s interview with me for Spread Love FM from July 15, 2023
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Extra: Astrocartography
Recorded July 20, 2023 in Paris, France
Hello, and welcome back to the Power We Hold podcast. I'm your host, Vanessa Alvary. I'm delighted to be here with you. I'm actually in New York City this week for the next two weeks,
and I just love being here. Wow, it's so supportive. I just feel so taken care of when I'm here. and everything just lines up for me so well and Yeah,
it just flows everything just flows if you know Astrology and astro cartography then you'll appreciate that New York City is on my Jupiter line and Jupiter is all about career and Yeah,
this is where my career thrives. I'm laughing because I'm laughing at myself I'm not woo -woo, right? Like just all the kinds of woo -woo. There are. Woo -woo for woo -woo.
Thank you for laughing with me. And our guest today is someone you already know, Trevor Bayak, Trevor B.
And he is no longer based in New York City. He's now based in Florida and still doing great work. His mission has not changed greatly,
but the way he approaches it is a little different and we'll talk about that. In the episode, I think you'll be delighted to hear about what he's up to, but what I want to focus on is the part of our conversation where he talks about his spiritual growth,
his spiritual journey, and I'm honored to be part of that process. I know that going green and being eco -friendly is spiritually aligned.
So when you start going green, you can't help but also go a little spiritual. That's just how it is. And even if it's just like feeling connected to the universe, you know, even if you're not like into God and I don't know,
whatever else you're not into, I'm into all of it. And it brings up an interesting something I've been noticing over the last couple years as I've been growing spiritually and accelerating very quickly on my journey.
And it's when people have just had a spiritual awakening and PS you have multiple spiritual awakenings throughout your life because you are an infinite being in a final body.
So your spiritual awakening capacity is infinite. So if you're doing the work, you're going to have them over and over and over again. And also it's just never going to be comfortable,
right? Like when you do something for the first time, when you do something new, it's not comfortable. But that's okay, right? You can work through discomfort.
It doesn't mean it's all good. going to be uncomfortable. It's just the first time you do it, it's uncomfortable. So the pattern I'm noticing is people have just gone through their awakening and their first one,
and then they had this like high and life was so good and like all this great stuff happened. But then, ah, there's a dip, right? And then they feel bad again,
and they're like, "What's wrong with me?" like, "Oh, but I just wanna get back "to that good place. "I just wanna get back to where I was." And they're like, "I'm doing everything right, right? "I'm doing it all right." Well,
you're not, that's the short answer, you know? How do you get back to that place? You keep learning, you keep growing, you keep paying attention to who and what you get to the universe.
puts in front of you to teach you, to show you the way. It's never just, "I'm done. I did that." Right? That's why they say life is a journey. Get excited for the journey,
not the destination. Right? It's never just going to be, "Oh, I did that spiritual work." And I'm through with that. I know how to do it.
I know how to do it all. There's always going to be someone. farther along the path than you and Spiritual growth just like all growth is not just a straight Line on the graph up up up up up.
You don't want to climb a mountain just straight line up up up up up up It's a wibbly line It's a wibbly line that dips and peaks and moves up on its own fun little path I think you don't you don't decide how the path goes Just There's a release of being right.
There's a release of being in control. And there's a release of judgment that are required. And this is all stuff that the mind creates, right? Our minds are very powerful. And when we let them run wild,
they're based in fear. They protect us from what we're afraid of, from dangers. But do you want to run your life from that place of fear? I don't think so. We talked about that in the last episode.
right? I want to run my life for what's the best possible scenario here. So that means releasing control, releasing judgment, being new,
allowing yourself to be new to the process when a new phase of the process shows up. And then you're going to start to notice patterns. And it's these patterns that I talk about and I share with people in the Dream Life Accelerator.
So if you want to be new to the process, you're going to start to notice patterns. You're going to start to notice patterns. more information on that, there's a link in the show notes where you can reach out to me. But my ask of you as you grow on your spiritual journey is just stay open to learning.
Stay curious. Play with the process. It's meant to be fun. Enjoy it. Even the struggles, even the challenges, can you be grateful? for them? Can you play with them?
Can you can you be silly and laugh at the people who are presenting challenge to you? It's like that's where the breakthroughs are available to you and if you've done it once you can do it again,
right? So just keep going and be open. Allow yourself to be teachable. I have a few mentors and I'm always learning.
I see I class myself as a as a constant student, a forever student, a life student. I'm a spiritual leader and that's a new realization but I think the strongest leaders are playful,
curious and forever learning. And that's the kind of leader I'm here to be. So I'm excited for Trevor to share with you his path and his journey.
And of course, we'll have him back again. We recorded this session actually when I was in Paris in France in July, but as you know,
I've been very busy. So we're just not getting it launched, but it's still very valuable information. information and a really lovely conversation. There's a prequel to this conversation and his podcast,
which I will also drop a link in the show notes. So, without further ado, here's my friend, Trevor B. Welcome back to the Power We Hold podcast.
I'm your host, host, Vanessa Alderi, and I'm delighted today to welcome back Trevor Bayak. Welcome Trevor. It's good to have you. Welcome,
Vanessa. Thank you so much for having me on again. Always good seeing you. Good to see you too. This is a follow -up conversation from a conversation we had four days ago for your podcast.
So, I just want to say thank you. put that out there. First off, we're doing back -to -back episodes. So check out Trevor's podcast and the conversation that we had a few days ago that'll be listed in the show notes.
The link will be there. And check out his other episodes as well. We're gonna dig into what all you've been up to since you left New York. 'Cause as you noted last time,
time, when last time we spoke, you were literally packing up and heading down to Florida and transitioning from the freedom market to the new Florida vibe.
So it should be now operating under spread love, right? So just, why don't you tell us? us what,
how would you summarize what you're up to now? 'Cause you're always doing so many things. So, give me like the overview. - Yeah, yeah, so yes,
so last time we spoke, I was literally, we were doing an interview for my van. I was literally in the seat of my van. I think, I don't know if I had moved out yet,
but I was, was pretty much moving everything out of my apartment. Been in Williamsburg for going on 20 plus years, Brooklyn all my life.
I'd never been away from New York only one time for more than three weeks. Actually never more than three weeks. One time I was away for three weeks, other than that, never more than 10 days. So getting ready for that transition,
not knowing if I was gonna come back, if I was going to. be away, not even sure where I was going, headed for Florida where my folks are. And that's where I ended up.
I started with, Edwin, as he said, I started with Freedom Market, which you helped me on, along with a bunch of other activist grow from Brooklyn.
And I was the base and the root. That interview that we did was at at McCarrick Park. I was parked right outside. - Yeah, literally. - Getting ready to go out and I was getting ready to go out there and do my thing while I get on the mic and shout to the buildings and let them know that we are here,
we need to move, we need to act. People, get off your couches. And right before that, I did the interview. So yeah, since then, came down to Florida,
which is where I'm... doing the interview from today. And there has been a lot of changes, not a lot of changes, well, the name is a big change.
It calls from free to market to spread love, free market. There's still that free in the name. But a lot of the tests, a lot of the things that we tried in Brooklyn,
a lot of that is still here, but we evolved in many ways. ways as well. We were working on how do we, the main idea is how do we close the wealth gap,
which is something we are always, that's always our North Star. But also, how do we work with community? How do we work with communities that are not in our immediate circles?
And coming down to Florida, as we know, it's not as liberal or progressive. as it is in New York. And that's mostly, I would say, that's the biggest kind of shock,
culture shock that I've experienced. So yeah, that's basically a rundown and working here and have some new things, actually coming back up to New York in a couple of weeks,
from the first time in over a year to roll out some of these new ideas in New York as well as down here. So yeah. that's the short version of a long story.
- Wow. Yeah, like when you talk about Florida and like the energy there and the politics there and it just makes me think it's like you went from the hot plate into the frying pan,
is that how they say it? And it's like. like, he was like, oh, it's not hot enough here. I need to get like, I need to boil. You know, I need to really be challenged. But I also know that,
you know, those are the communities where what you're doing are needed, it's needed the most, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. So how are you?
Yeah, go ahead, please Yes, it says yeah, absolutely jumping out of the the pan The pan into the fire.
Yeah, I pan into the fire exactly how I would describe it and not only culturally But literally it is hot down here, you know, there's literally like subaltering and if you're not inside and you know in environment,
I always say Vanessa's my go -to when it comes to environmental issues. And listen, we've got to fight the economic and the environment, it's together, it's tied together. But yeah,
one of the cultural, I mean, it was just a culture shock. Running into folks where in New York, you could say certain things and feel comfortable here. You're literally worried about your safety and how people react.
(upbeat music) A couple of the incidents I had initially was we had an event here, what the free platform was a part of.
And an individual, while we're holding the event walks in, it was at a veteran's, a veteran's CFW, veteran in the foreign wars. That's where we held it. And an individual walks in Oh,
we're in a big old Trump shirt and blazing on his shirt walking right towards me. And it's like the first time I'm like, wow, you wouldn't see that in Brooklyn. And that's just to start.
You see Confederate flags flying around with other part of the free platform. We had a, there was this campaign that we ran where we say defund the one percent.
And in order to place a free order and have a free delivery, you would have to put in the discount code, defund the 1%. So a few people did that,
and it was, yeah, wow, okay, people, all right, they're putting that message in, they're getting their deliveries, they know that we are here to fight for economic justice. And my only worry was,
man, I'm in New York, even in New York, York when you do deliveries, you always have to be careful This is actually my deliveries team As you know,
I did deliveries in New York as the audience may not know. I had a delivery company in New York and This is a part of the uniform and the reason the way the uniform is that a Person of color walking into some strange neighborhoods or walking into a strange house Oh,
that can be dangerous It's actually a good reason why a lot of couriers wear uniforms, UPS, UPS. It's protected. It's a level of protection.
Yeah, absolutely. Along with the other, you know, other reasons that, you know, just for protection for us and for the customer also to be safe and not open to,
yeah, exactly. Yeah. We agree. So. So in New York, that's an issue. And some of my guys, we don't wear uniforms, it's up to them because they're all freelancers, so it's an option. They can wear a ID tag as well,
a credential. But down here, I said, okay, let me wear this uniform because I don't know where I'm doing these deliveries to. You see everything down here. And sure enough,
I was like, okay, this is the first time I'm doing deliveries down here in New York. in, uh, it's Spring Hill about an hour north of Tampa. This first time I'm doing these deliveries. I hope everything goes okay.
I hope everything goes smooth. I hope I don't run into any incidents, no dogs or anything. There's a lot of rural, in rural, rural country. So sure enough, I go to one delivery,
my last delivery for that day. And as I turn the corner, I see a house that's really run down. looks like it's a pretty much a stereotypical house that you will see in a movie that's made in the South about the racist-- - Oh gosh.
- Okay. - That red flag. - There's a truck in the front yard that's-- - Truck in the front yard, but almost looks like it's on a-- Yeah, I can't remember exactly. - Like concrete cinder blocks. (laughing) - But that one is a house,
and I said, "No, this can't be the house." You couldn't see the number." I drive past, I say, "No, please don't let that be the house. Don't let that be the house." I see a neighbor at the house above it. I said,
"Is this the house? I didn't see the numbers." He said, "No, this is not the address you're looking for. I think it's that one. Point to the house." So sure enough, I go back and I say, "Yes, that is the house.
Okay. I need to be very careful." It says, "Beware of dog. It has a tire that says..." "Rest in peace, Brandon," which we know where the old Brandon stands for.
So I said, "Okay, let me deliver this, "not going inside, let's leave it at the door at the gate "and get out of there." Did that, delivered it, got out of there safe, and was like,
"Okay, thank you, I made that. "I hope we get this message to this individual "that this is about love." We also put some cards in the bag about community and community. love.
So I was like, okay, I've got that over with. Sure enough, they put in another order for the next week. - Oh. - Now like, all these people, you know, either they're getting a message or they're trolling us. Yeah,
so that's, so the next week we debated, should we do this delivery? We said, yes. I said, I'm gonna do this delivery. We put the stuff in the bag,
we give them some extra stuff. And they said, okay. either they like it or they're trolling us." They didn't want to, I said, "No, it's most likely they are on board with the messaging." So the second time as I am doing this delivery,
I actually put my sister on video phone and I'll make this, I'll wrap this story up 'cause I know it's going on for a long time. But I put my phone in my pocket with the camera on.
I said to my sister, "If anything happens, "you know, if this is the address, just call somebody." As I pull up, thankfully, the person who owns the house is outside working on that very van,
that's on cinder blocks. And I walk to him and I, the hair, we are from spread left remark. And he said, Oh yeah, you the guys,
I made the free order. And he's typical wife beater, the whole thing, the hat, the whole thing. And he's sitting down with like a tie stooped down to the tie in it. give him his bag, he gives me a pound,
thank you. And as I leave, I say, "This is what it is all about. It is that connection." So that's the difference. In New York, you would never have that interaction, whereas here is something you have to get used to,
it's something you have to accept, and yeah, that's the lesson that I am learning down here. Yeah, there's, like, that thing we talked about briefly in our last conversation about fear.
You gotta do the things that scare you. If it scares you, there's something there for you. It doesn't mean run blindly forward and have scissors in your hands and barefoot and everything.
But it means if you're afraid, there's a healing available there for you. (upbeat music) And it sounds like for you, there's a level of understanding on an even deeper level where you're safe,
when you're safe, and trusting your instincts and deciding that it's worth it to risk a certain degree of safety,
concept of safety for accessing love, accessing the capacity to share the message to go further. And really,
that's how any movement spreads. You have to push through that fear space to actually access the space that you're trying to transform.
Thank you for sharing that story and thank you for being so brave. You know Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think we all have her we have to have a level of courage as you said to do what we're doing to be we're confronting established systems that yeah,
I'm not given a power without a fight and We've seen it Working at McCarran together, and I'm so used you've experienced it And what we're doing is nothing in comparison to what our forefathers,
ancestors have done. Think about the freedom fighters, people who gave their lives. So it's the least we could do. Yeah. It's powerful.
So question for you. When you do a pre -delivery, -delivery, do you make any money on that? No, well, that was the,
on those deliveries, it was a volunteer, it was a one -time test. Eventually, we want to have a self -sustaining model. We want to have enough support where we can support all of the...
the people involved. And I guess I don't know if I really broke down what it is that we are trying to do. Closing the wealth gap through shifting wealth from the haves to the have -nots.
The one thing that we wanna access, or the one thing that we wanna have as a differentiator with what we do and a lot of what I've seen is we want to,
to be compelled to support us when they support us, that there is a return on that support. We have an acronym that I call CPR,
which means it has to be compelling. It has to be practical and has to lead to radical change. The compelling aspect is that we want, are we more to see change?
The practical part of it is how easy is it for our neighbors to access this vehicle for change? And the radical part is does it close the wealth gap?
So the idea is that our attention, that's value. We all have value. And how do we access that value?
value? How do we? Monetize that value. How do we yeah, actually how do we? Convert that value into something that can sustain us Outside of the fiat or capitalist system that does so much harm.
Yes has done so much harm over the years at the root of social, environmental as well and economic justice is at the root of the social and environmental injustice is an economic root to economic cause and we see in this day when we talk about big tech and how they monetize our attention on The idea behind spreading the free market is our attention when somebody places a free order.
We have the attention for a moment and local businesses can leverage that. For example, when I did that delivery to the house,
we put a flyer in the bag with some power. our neighbors, local businesses with messages of love. We got his attention. There was a person who, who the narrative says that he and I are not supposed to be on the same page,
but for that moment, that's attention and that's value. So that's the idea. Yeah. Yeah.
And Um, I appreciate what you just said in terms of also the rebranding of your project from the freedom market to spread love free market.
Um, because when we first met, um, I'd also just heard the phrase from my favorite astrologer,
uh, or one of my two favorite astrologer, I have three. Okay. One of my three favorite astrologers. Astrologers, Molly McCord. But she channeled a message towards the beginning of the pandemic that was that summer that the new energetic of money is love.
And so when you talk about spreading love, you know, that's also spreading the energetic of money. And so when you talk about the new energetic of money, you know, that's also spreading the energetic of money. what I see happening and we can mix the spiritual into all this because I know you're also having a spiritual awakening amidst this growth,
which I think is so beautiful, but yeah, the new movement is that everything is everything that attracts money is going to be based in love moving forward.
Like, that's the wave that we're on, right? And we're on the first surge of the wave, right? It's not like the tsunami is coming, right?
We are calling the tsunami for, and just wash it all with love. But yeah, but that, you know, not only is money the easiest way to communicate value to someone,
and so that's, it's like, makes so much sense that people take advantage of a free delivery because it's like, "Oh, that's great value." But then to double down on that with your message of love,
your message of, you know, these are other local community businesses that you could patronize. When I say patronize,
I mean be a patron of troll. Words. I'm also like having some trips around words with being here in France and speaking French most of my day and so then I'm like oh,
English and French. Yeah, but. you bring up a really beautiful point around attention. And that's really how love is spread.
And therefore, that's how economic wealth will be spread moving forward. And I think you're an important part of that shift.
I've always been really impressed with how Uber committed. committed you are and how much integrity you have towards your goal.
You're willing to sacrifice the idea of profit, everything else is on the table for sacrificing, but all for the drive of connection and community and better the situation of people in America that have been marginalized for just ridiculous amounts of time.
And not only marginalized, but held back is really the word. So paint for me the picture of,
'cause I know you have multiple different avenues of activity, 'cause there's, the market concept, there's the podcast, you have a newsletter,
you have other things. Tell me all the things. Oh, you also help people with their own podcasts, right? You have like a podcast hub,
hmm? Yeah, well, the podcast hub is communicating as you say. is important, getting the message out is important,
and connecting is important. The podcast is something that we recently launched. Well, we're launching, I should say.
We hope to spread some similar message of justice with the community and leverage what it is that we do. do. For example,
I guess one example is I have a relative down here who works in education. And down here there's a big issue with band books. And she was giving me the lowdown in terms of how folks are just showing up at board meetings and basically fighting against educating kids and ironically she gave an example that some of these Peering its parents took this kids out of school home schools them and then still come to the board
meetings Yeah, tellin the folks. Oh, I got my kids out. I want to now look up for these other kids and it's hypocritical and So we're doing a podcast with her her education -based and not charging her because we are looking to find how we can find value in each other.
She also works in web design. So maybe there's something that she can offer a neighbor. We are down here. It's not a place that has, not in New York where you have a designer or a-- - On every-- corner.
On every corner, not at all. It's probably-- a New York City block will have more designers than you would find in this whole county. And coming down here,
podcasting or web design or graphic design, these are things that we can offer to the community. And I've run-- we have a weekly free market at a-- a,
what was a food pantry. It's not normal, but they're going to revitalize it. And the person that's organizing that, all the lady, and she was so kind to give us a pantry on every Sunday,
and she's also launching her own business, and she needs a website. And she reached out to me, "Oh Trevor, how much do you charge?" I just said, "No, don't worry about it." You know,
we'll do this website and, you know, it's value for you. If ever you are making profits, then you could donate to the spread of free market platform." And that's an exchange.
That's an exchange of value and exchange of love and community. You know, imagine what I would be paying if I had to rent a space. Yeah. So... That's beautiful. So that's... Yeah,
so the model... I was gonna say that... Yeah. go ahead No, I was gonna say that's just one of the avenues that we have so So like so if we if you were to explain the model of commerce How would you explain it in the most simplest sense because because you're not doing like You know you buy this and you pay this price always and that's how it is but you're also not doing like you give us donations and we give
handouts like So explain as best you can the model that you're where you are in the model right now Yeah, it's it's To make it to break it down as simply as I can we are offering free products to our neighbors when those neighbors I those three products,
we have the attention. We leverage that attention to being exposure to local businesses only. So the best example we could kind of equate that to is you think of the internet,
you think of Facebook or I was going to say Twitter, I don't want to say Twitter's lost a lot of money in the last, but if you look at Facebook or Instagram, they are monetized.
These are attention forms, and you go on Facebook and they are monetizing that and leveraging using that money to exploit and to increase the wealth gap and to divide us.
And there hasn't been a consumer organized effort to capture that attention and leverage it for ourselves.
So this is the idea. The idea is that do the free products and it's something that's been around but it's been around in, for example, you go to an exhibition or a show or a convention and you have swag bags or you go to any activation event,
you get a free bag. And but that's for the... being leveraged for the corporations in Big Tech. What we are doing is leveraging that for the community.
So that's basically the idea. We got your attention through free products, and we leverage our local businesses to give them the attention and direct the wealth. Instead of going out of the community,
it goes directly into the community. And how do you, that's beautiful, How do you support the free products? Like how do you compensate for the cost of either acquiring the free products or how does that work?
- So initially, in other words, initially we need to raise money. So we reach out to our community and our neighbors to donate. We ask for donations.
and in exchange, for example, the website that I'm doing for our neighbor for free. We'll ask, "Can you donate whatever you can?" Most of our neighbors have been donating because they understand the idea of direct and wealth to the community.
So they are donating $25, $50 or so. What we've done now, this is just one of the... the recent modifications to this model,
is we have launched something called the book of free things. The book of free things is a book, a handout that we give to all of our neighbors.
And I don't have a book with me yet. Oh, let's see it. Yeah. If you go and look, yes. So basically, we give this to our neighbors, and we let them know. know, take some example,
in New York, I would go to a bank and there'll be a person who's in need opening a door and asking for a donation or can you help me? I haven't eaten or somebody in the street,
they put. So what we are looking to do to kind of make this a more efficient and a dignified way to support these neighbors. neighbors. And we will give a neighbor who has this book and let them know you can activate this book by becoming a member,
a shop, we call it Shoppers Unite. You join $25 or $75, $25, and this book is activated and can be used at participating stores.
You could give this to anybody in the neighborhood, or this person that's opening the door for you. you. A dollar doesn't really do anything for him, but a meal or groceries may do take him a little bit further.
So you get this book, you activate it, you give it to this person, has an address of a local store, a local shop or a local restaurant that they can go to and redeem it like a coupon. And that's how we now we are moving away from just asking people to donate for the the goodwill.
Now we're asking them to donate through this book. Yeah. In this book, we also support local businesses in this book of three things. So yeah. Beautiful. So this is like a subscription model.
You can subscribe. You can also do one -time donation. Okay. Beautiful. Yeah. I love that. Shoppers unite. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Thank you. I love it.
Yeah, you have the book beside you. Do you want to? I do. Okay, so this is the book here. It's a DIY book, so you can go online to a Google doc and print it out and then cut it.
Okay, we'll put a link in the show notes so that then... Aw, cute. There are a few things and it basically opens up to in Spanish and in English. Nice.
You can see that. Oh, yeah. That's beautiful. And Shoppers Unite. I love it. So this, you can either scan the code and, yeah, support your neighbors. And all of this comes from McCarran,
where initially there's this idea, and you mentioned, you touched upon it, where we have value. And I would be at in the wake of the.
George Floyd murder And the protests that it came as a result of it I would see these speakers this charismatic speakers speaking to an audience and at the end And our neighbors who were addressing this audience with such great energy would ask donate to my Cash app right to my Venmo and I was like wow.
Why isn't that valued in the same? way that a tech founded as walking through Silicon Valley will be able to raise venture capital from an evil capitalist neighbor?
Why is that not valued in the same way? Why can't we monetize that to sustain and not to exploit? And I thought that there's got to be a way to make it compelling,
to make it practical, and to lead to that radical change that shifts the wealth from the haves to the have not. So this is kind of the, where we are now with that transformation of energy to something sustainable.
- I love it. I love it. I could see it spreading to other cities, like in that same kind of format. It reminds me of a book. I wanna say it was called "The Little Black Book" that was of restaurants and local businesses in Atlanta and Miami.
There was one for each city. That's probably a little farther out in the future then. We need to talk about right now. But tell me,
are you-- - Oh, right. Please. please. Well, actually, we are, you know, I'm coming to New York, this is where I'm from, hoping to work not immediately in New York City,
but another one of our activist brothers in New Berg, New York, who will be... We have the activist lounge happening on July 29th, July 29th and 30th at McCarran Park 4 -6pm,
everybody just show up, and we're going to activate people. We all have, it's not for one cause. It's for anybody that has something to say and wants to get on the mic or just wants to come and listen to some good music.
We're going to be there. And then one of our brothers from Newburgh will be, we'll be working together to hopefully launch a store, a free shop in Newburgh. And hopefully while I'm in New York,
I'm hoping that I could at least get it going. and start doing this in New York as well. Beautiful. So, are you also doing deliveries in the New York area and New York City,
Brooklyn area? Not for spread love, no. Just checking. Actually, I'm not doing deliveries for anybody for spread love.
That was just a one -time trial. Oh, okay. I did it for two weeks. was it not just one to see might work. Gotcha. Okay. Well,
that's August 29 and 30 or July 29 and 30. July, July, July, sorry, July 29 and 30. Okay.
All right. That's coming. Saturday and Sunday. Yeah. Oh, wow. Unfortunately, this will air after that. Yeah. Come. huh? -You have to cut this out of this ear, though. -Yeah. No,
we don't do that. We just let it roll. But I wish I would have done this conversation a month earlier, and then I could have put it in order. But I will share it on our Instagram feed.
I will maybe even take a cut of this clip and just throw it in there. Um, that's so great. It's moments like that where I'm like,
"Man, I wish I could just like also be in New York that weekend." - Yeah, I know you know a way. Just to mention there, Vanessa,
we've done a lot at McCarran. We've done a lot since McCarran. And we've all, you, myself, and I love you. individual,
there are a few people, it's been three years since we really kind of put the pedal to the metal in terms of our activism, and we're, I think it feels like we are all kind of reaching a place where we're taking another step forward.
- I love that. - And three years, years, there's somebody who said there was a saying, and I'm going to butcher this quote. They say to my complaints,
oh, it's too late to start. I wish I had started three years ago. And they say, well, start now, because you'd be saying the same thing. I can't remember the quote, but you know what I'm saying.
My point is that you, myself, and there were people who took advantage three years ago to get active. And that's too late. something. And if we didn't,
right now, we would not be coming to this place where we are taking it to another kind of evolution of our ideas. And I want to get that part of what I want to do with the activist support lounge and why I wish you were here is I want to invite these folks who are reaching this point to just come together.
Yes, what more can we do? How can we help each other? other? But I think we can still do remotely. So there you go. If you end up figuring out how to have a remote Zoom access,
I will totally show up on Zoom. That's a lot to ask for a Parking. Yeah, it's not going to happen in a Parking, but maybe afterwards,
there may be something-- Who knows? Because I think we will eventually meet. you know, eventually we'll all kind of work together and overlap in some way, some form, somewhere.
- Absolutely, you bring up a really great point of you can't be where you are now without having done what you did X number of years before. And if you don't take advantage of the energy of a moment that you're in and apply yourself the best that you can,
in that moment, you hold yourself back from the possibilities of where you're going to go or where you could end up three, five, ten years out. It's like exponential growth is possible from even just a small step like,
you know, just showing up at McCarran was a small step, right, but then it just magnified and amplified. And, and that's what being together does,
right? And that's what community does. We amplify the good within us, or the negativity within us if we so choose to gather around negativity. I don't think anyone listening to this is like that,
but that amplification, you can then bring it back into yourself and then amplify it again and just keep... keep growing.
It's funny you bring that up because I actually just had a testimonial from one of my clients who I do Akashic Records readings so we can get a little woo -woo now.
Woo -woo warning for anyone not into woo -woo. I think everyone here knows that I'm super woo -woo. -woo, so. But in this reading,
the woman that I gave a reading for, she's been a client for two years, and the message has been the same in different degrees over the last few years of basically the job that you're doing,
it's not the job for you. And she recently had, I think her fourth or fifth reading, and this time it was a full Akashic Records reading, which is like an hour and a half, two hour session.
with me, where I'm channeling information from the person's energy field. And the message was like, the job that you're doing right now, other people think it's prestigious,
but it's not for you, and you're not going to be able to do it much longer. I had no idea at the time that she had a risk situation, and she's a high -end embroiderer.
So, you can't keep doing that without strong... risks. If you have a risk issue, that just blows up in your face. And I was thinking about,
she's been getting these readings and these messages from me for so long, for two years, and she didn't act on it the first time. She didn't act on it the second time, she didn't act on it. Well, the fourth time,
the universe acted for her and she was fired three weeks later. Oh, wow. Yeah. - Yeah, but she already knew, she already had that guidance from her reading of what she's actually meant to do,
which is be a creative actually herself, not use her skill to support somebody else's ideas, but to use her skill to support her own ideas. And she was also guided to travel.
But I was just thinking if she had just taken that guidance when she got it the first time, where-- where would she be now two years later, you know? And it's like,
whenever you have that little spark of like, oh, maybe I should this, like, and it feels good. If that spark feels good, like, you gotta follow it, right? I know you believe in that.
But speaking of woo -woo -ness, can we talk a little bit about your recent, um, - I love that term woo -woo. I actually just recently learned.
- Oh really? It's like, it's used as an insult kind of, but I like to reappropriate it because I think it's a fun word. And it's like,
yeah, woo -woo. It's like, oh, you wanna call me crazy? Yes, I am definitely crazy. I'm just kinda crazy, you know? Yeah. - Well, I'm definitely woo -woo. And as I shared with you the last time we spoke,
I'm going way into the woo world right now. - Woo! (laughing) - In all seriousness, I've been on my own spiritual journey.
And you said something when we spoke on my podcast and I interviewed, when I spoke to you about, you said the community. this is not you.
What you're doing, the amazing work that you're doing with the choral projects, it wasn't your idea. You are, it's from the community,
it's from a higher power. - Yeah. - And until recently, I always believed in a higher power, but would hesitate to name it or to speak in terms of that.
amplified it in a way that may make others feel uncomfortable. But in recent weeks, I joined my family who have a spiritual scripture reading every morning on Zoom,
and they've been doing it for three years now, before even we read at McCarran in 2020. Um, and they read, they've read. read through the entire Bible. Yeah, takes about three years to read through the Bible.
I'll put like a few scriptures at a time. Yeah, well, they've actually, they've read, they've actually only a second passing because they read it every single day. So yeah, so they read like two chapters a day and they talk to me.
My dad does a daily Bible reading as part of Jehovah's Witnesses and it's like a, there's a certain amount that they read every day. and it takes them, yeah, just under three years to get through the whole thing.
So he's done that, like, I guess 15 times now. Wow. Wow. So, out of my curiosity, a lot of what I've been kind of learning on my economic journey as well has been a connection with nature and following the blueprint of nature.
And if we honored the messages that are coming from the planet, that the planet is sustainable. So it will make sense that we would be sustainable as well.
The native, the indigenous peoples followed the messages from nature and they, you know, you could describe them as them both woo woo woo of everyone, you know? And I wanted to just kind of dive into that,
lean into that a little bit more. So I joined this reading and I started to connect more with that part of me. I grew up religious as well. I stopped being religious many years ago.
But this is the first time I've actually even opened a Bible. And that same thing that you said about the community, you being a vessel for the community is exactly how I feel.
And I feel that we all have that capability to be an antenna to, because we're more in touch with our environment,
people's feelings. I've always had that where I would know how somebody feels. And somebody else, who doesn't have that or who doesn't believe in that may look at that and say,
come on, you know, serious? - It's not real, yeah. - Right, it's not real, but I believe it's real and I also believe that it's my role.
The moment that I made that decision that it's not me, that I am not the person that's coming up with this idea, it's not my responsibility. responsibility. Two things happened.
The first thing that happened is like, oh, man, thank thank goodness. I don't have to worry about any of this. Exactly. That's the first thing.
And it's true. It's not just saying that it's like, yeah, this is out of my hands. You know, there's only certain things I can control. This is out of my hands and that's been an immediate result in terms of of the level alleviation of stress.
The second thing that has happened is that leaving myself open to the messages that are coming from the universe,
it does direct you. If you look at that pattern and it does tell you certain gives you certain cues and cues and ways to make left and right return.
So it's not just, oh, the stress is off. It's real. So yes, I'm, I, and I'm, I'm just kind of leaning into that. So I'm curious to see where this journey takes me.
I love this fact that I am not that, even for this interview, you know, I'm like, in where I would normally be stressing and, you know,
going to, my notebook and like writing and everything is like, yeah, no, listen, the message will come, the message is there. I'm just here to kind of convey that message. Somebody gets it, somebody doesn't. If they don't get it from me,
they'll get it from somebody else, but I'm just gonna be the conduit, the antenna, the amplifier for these messages. So yeah, I'm with you right there.
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I think it's so beautiful and I mean, I think everything you've been doing, you know, you really see that guidance from universal energy and correct me if I'm wrong,
but you know, you're also leaning into the tribe. the trust part Yeah, you got it because it's it's one thing to like, okay, let go of the reins And but it's another thing to trust that the you know,
the horse is still gonna walk on the right path and Tell me if you've struggled with this at all this is something I've struggled with ever since coral projects was a download that I received and in,
I guess that was 2016 at Araca Base of A -Fish Sanctuary in Jamaica. The idea came through and I was like, "Eureka, this is beautiful." You know,
like, "Thank you." Like, "Yes, I see it, I'm all in, I'm all in." But then I get like really attached to like, "Oh, it's gotta be now,
like I gotta do it now." And like that attachment slows it down because that's not trust and that's not allowing,
that's like forcing, it's control and that's not cool. But have you faced attachment and you know, yeah, how do you deal with that? Oh, it's funny,
it's exactly what I was thinking about yesterday because this is what's, this is you give up control, A, you have more space to do things,
and B, everything seems easier. So the faith, I have faith now. I would be a control freak. I would grew up being a control freak.
Everything has to be this and that, and I will worry myself, stress just, come on. stress myself out about every single detail till and up to and during any event and being able to say I have faith that everything would take care of itself I would I've cut down my time dwelling on any particular task by it feels like half easily and at the same time time you're getting more done because now I'm trusting the signs
that are laid out for me. I'll give you one example. So I don't know if you know I have an autistic sister in New York City and she's been there.
You might have told me that before actually but. Well yes I have two sisters one down here and one that's that's artistic in New York. And she's never left New York and she actually was scheduled.
She came, she's down here now, which for the first time, folks have seen her for the first one, so she's down here. She was here yesterday. She's here the day before. Anyway,
I was, I was planning to make sure everything goes right. And I started to get into this whole really bad stress cycle. cycle. Oh, is this going to be,
and is that going to be? And then I said, I'll put it in the hands of, and I said, God, I'll put it in God's hand and everything that he will take care of everything. And I stopped worrying about it.
I just stopped. So we have food, we have a place, we have my parents are here. They're going to see her. That's all we need. What am I? am I worried about that every dust,
everything is clean, you know? That's not what matters, that's not what is important. She came down and it was a beautiful time and I didn't worry about it, I just enjoyed it. I was present,
important work that I was present. And that's what it allows you to do when you can kind of relinquish the control and put your hands, put your feet on the ground.
in the hands of a greater power than like you're not driving. Like you're now sitting as a guide or when they need me. I mean, now in the passenger seat and it's so much easier.
And I never experienced that ever before in my 53 years now on the planet. You know, I spent 52 and nine months of that stress. Well, and that is a baby,
so it's minus five years. years, but... - It could take nine months out of there, maybe a year. - Wow. - So you nailed it. It's something that this is where I'm living now.
This is the journey I'm on. This is the where I am now. Stress -free. - I love this for you. - Where I will be, where I go. You know, again, you don't just kind of give up and say, "Oh, the universe." - Right.
- You make a plan and you know where you can kind of let go. and let things happen and be present so yeah, I Absolutely hear you on that Getting more done in a day like I too would have stressed about oh no I got to like make sure all my questions are typed up So I'm like ready when I talk to Trevor Arias want this to be the most amazing podcast episode And then that would have been my whole day day,
but instead I got to go into Paris. I saw Notre Dame today. I picked up some art supplies that I've been needing. I saw a friend that I haven't seen since my 20s who lives in Paris.
Yeah, and I had a lovely conversation with him and yeah, you know. know, I took an hour's walk with the dog in the forest,
you know. - Oh man. - And like you said, I was able to be present because I trust that like you said exactly what is meant to come through right now is gonna come through.
And I'm really feeling for everybody here. It's like, you know, you and I are great examples of people who have committed ourselves to what is meant to come through. we feel our life's purpose is We don't settle for jobs that aren't aligned for us We're not settling for a comfortable paycheck to make ends meet We dove off the deep end of trust on the money front But it's possible for anyone to do this and to still
be be supported that like you said nature has it all for us Everything the earth is abundant Everything is here. This idea of scarcity is a construction of the white supremacist patriarchal you know masochistic system that has been Telling us that things are this way or that way and it's just not any of those ways.
And I just so appreciate that you're holding it down in Florida that way, you know. And I feel for you that this new embracing of that universal energy,
the more leaps you take in that trust, the bigger the blessings that are going to come through, I'm so clear about that. And in that year,
less stressed out, like, that's everything to me. I want you to have a long, long life. You can't do that with stress. - I know, I know. Yeah,
I'm coming up to New York and I was also able to lean on the community. - Replacency. - Yeah,
placency. To stay, I, you know, I got two weeks. I didn't have a place to stay and I didn't worry about it. And then sure enough, one of our neighbors texted me yesterday,
oh, Trevor, when are you coming down? I give the dates, oh, you know what? I'll be out of town. You want to stay in my place? Yeah, I didn't even think that I was distressing. - I love it.
- Even for the flight, so the flight down, you know, again. when you make certain choices, you end up not having the resources that somebody else who decides to work in the system or work with the system.
And we, as you said, haven't decided against that. And I'm not working because of that. I'm volunteering and I'm happy to do it. And I'm not going to be a victim of the stigma or the narrative that this is a bad thing.
Or that somehow you have to be taken care of. because you're doing that, yeah. - Precisely, and before I made this journey, before I went into this transition,
I would not reach out to neighbors with who I am in terms of, because of my pride, or I'm not working, I don't wanna fall into that narrative.
The minute, I shouldn't say the minute, but the transition of me giving up my pride myself to community, and this is what we learned in McCarran community,
is there. But for some reason, that narrative, that's a lifetime in the making hundreds of years, and to make it actually, that's not easy to get rid of.
But to cut the point is, I reached out to a neighbor who had always offered me a. plane ticket to New York City and I was not open to accepting that.
You were like, "No, I will not allow that love." No. Yes. Oh my goodness. Exactly. That's exactly. You cannot love me. That's too much love. And then I said,
"No. What is wrong with you?" Accept the love. Yeah. And so I'm going to New York, I'm not paying for the tickets. tickets for the flight. Points, she used her points.
Thank you to my neighbor for that. And a place to stay, not paying for rent. And I'm, you know, I'm with my faith in community. - Yeah. - And I don't have an iota of guilt about that.
In fact, it's been such an easy transition. Imagine the other story. You imagine the other, the flip side of that coin of me working for you. or trying to get money to make a trip and me stressing out,
"Oh, I need to get this money to get an Airbnb." Imagine that story. Like two grand. Yeah. You'd easily need, yeah. Mm -hmm. So, yeah, it's, and I really want to fight against that narrative.
Yeah. I'm that narrative of what capitalism defines as success, it defines as people who who are working in the system,
how they uphold them up and how they negatively... The worthiness that it applies, you're not worthy if you can't do it this way,
right? Exactly, yes, yes, yes. And it doesn't allow us to look at an alternative way of sustaining ourselves, it doesn't allow us to say that...
why don't I go to my neighbor and ask them for help or for them our help. And that's what this is about. That's what this is about. It's about, listen,
here's a place where, and the sad thing is that I still have to find a way to make this, and I hate to use these words, but people would look at this. We're giving them something free,
and because it's free, it's devalued. devalued, you know? We've literally, so we have this free shop every Sunday and the minute that people feel like there's this word,
a handout that they get in the handout, you know, and that's big with the rights in conservative circles, you're getting the handout, so there's something wrong with you.
you. And they can't see that the reason that they have that is in order to uphold capitalism, in order to continue the narrative of divide, the narrative of scarcity. Yeah.
So, no, let's fight against these narratives, let's accept our neighbor's help, our community, and we will be much better off for it. It's an energy exchange.
It's not actually free. free. And that just brought me to the notion of like, maybe the word free has been abused.
And maybe that word actually needs to mean exchange. - Yes,
you want it to, you fight against the narrative but at the same time, time, it's like the same thing with the word God, you know? It's like, you want to use that word, but you know, it turns people off. But at the same time,
at some point, they will, for whatever other word they use, that word will also be, you know, it will be villainized,
or it will be made into a meaning that's have a negative connotation to it. But you're right, you're right. It is why, I mean, I literally,
every, so for example, I put in the book, activate. So if you would see here, just to your point, it says activate this booklet with your membership.
- Right. - Before or previously it had said something along the lines of. oh yeah, it used the word "free" instead of "activate." It used the word,
I don't have the old cop, the old version of this, but to that point, I'm using that word "activate" to avoid using the word that has a negative connotation so that people will think that there's value there.
And I hate to do it, but that's a journey that that we have to take as well. It's a part of the branding behind justice and part of the messaging and connecting 'cause people are this narrative.
It's a narrative we have to fight against every day. - It's a lot like what you were saying about, and what we're talking about is that I'm gonna go around worthiness and love. And if something can be done,
free, then it's like the idea of undervaluing, it's like love is free, right? And love is the most powerful thing we can give each other and ourselves in this human being experience.
And I think I feel that the more that you personally embrace, embrace the ability to receive love in the form of things that would normally cost you money,
like housing and plane tickets, you'll be able to inspire other people to receive love that way as well,
to receive a free product, free product, and to feel worthy of it and to value. the product, to see the value of the product.
I think the more that you personally embrace receiving, the more you'll be able to spread that energy of allowing others to receive also.
It's like they go hand in hand and tandem. Yeah. Yeah, basically the idea is to normalise these words that have been, or re -appropriate these words that have been given this negative narrative.
Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly it. Because it's like free dumb. Everyone's into free dumb. So why does free have to be bad?
And I don't think in all circles it is, but yeah. I was actually just going to say that. I mean free is the most powerful. word in capitalism ironically people say free it's a word that attracts attention but it's almost like it's it's a powerful in the same time but it's a double -edged sword because the same then the rod is pulled out under it possibly with more I would say you want the free things,
but you don't wanna see people, you don't want people to see you accepting. - Oh, so there's like a guilt. - Yes, exactly. There's a guilt,
like, like, you know, I've heard there are studies out there that you price something higher and it'll sell more if you price it lower because somebody feels like, well,
for two reasons, it's a... status symbol A and B. It just feels like it's more valuable. And so capitalism has taught us that if something is more expensive,
it must be more valuable. That's not true. I don't want to go into the whole, I'm not a socialist, but I'm not going to go into the whole surplus thing and inflation and exploitation and now nothing needs to be as expensive as it is.
and I'm not gonna go into all of that, but yeah. - But we know it's there, we know it's available. - Yeah, exactly, yeah, no one accounts if you need to hear. - Well,
this has been such as a light catching up with you. We're gonna put it in the show notes, all the links to all your good, but tell us the website, tell us the IG, tell us all the places.
- So, thank you so much. so much. It was so great being here, always great talking to you Vanessa. We always have these great conversations. So yeah, I can't wait to see you in person.
And congratulations on your projects. The coral reef, you sent me a video, I'm so excited to put that on. We want everybody to check out our podcast as well.
We will have Vanessa, it's called Spread Love Free Market, and we will have Vanessa. It'll be up before this podcast is up. So check it out spread love free market. But you can find us at spread love free market .com is our website,
our Instagram, which we are no longer posting on, but it's there. If you want to see your exit ramp off the internet and into the real world, you can go to spread love FM on IG and just click that link and take you out of that world right into the real world where people can connect in person.
So that's the two links and the website, the podcast, and yeah, that's it. Those are the two links. And yeah, we have the activist launch happening on Friday.
You can find that link as well. If you want to activate yourself and support the democrat union. you can go to the activation link on spread love free market. There you go. Beautiful. Thank you,
Trevor. Thank you for all that you're doing. Thank you for being so brave and committing to what you believe in and like refusing all the narratives that you've been fed by the systems that are swimming around and through all of us and just for keeping up that that that resistance It's a really beautiful inspiring and profound Action that you're that you're making that your life is You're you're you're just um,
you're doing it and it's so it's so beautiful to witness Thank You Vanessa, and I'm inspired by you and other activists like you I think we all have to kind of of support each other and I appreciate your support as well.
Thank you. - So everybody, there will be more from Trevor in the future, stay tuned. We're gonna make this a regular catch up because I know he's gonna be doing big things again and again and again that we're gonna need to get the tea on.
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It's like a sunken treasure, but looks like a pearl. And right now I'm offering custom made ones. So if you're interested, the link is in the show notes.
When you purchase one, I get to know you a little bit and make one just special for you. I focus on you and your energy and your relationship to the oceans. And it's really... really beautiful process.
I really enjoy doing this. And your support goes directly to choral projects. We're launching the non -profit and fundraising for our education outreach.
So it's really exciting. Also film development, we're working on a documentary for the project. So lots of fun things in the works and more news on that upcoming.
So we'll see you next week. Thank you. so much for joining the Power We Hold podcast. You are so very loved.
