They say the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, but for Christina Bowman, it was a leap from the familiar comforts of a small village to the vast world beyond. Join me as we traverse Christina's inspiring evolution, from a people-pleaser to a self-assured nomad, who after her divorce, embraced the globe as her playground. This episode is a vibrant tapestry woven with stories of resilience, self-discovery, and the relentless pursuit of personal growth. Christina's candid reflections on her family's influence, the profound loss of a close friend that steered her towards travel, and the powerful lessons of the 75 Hard challenge, showcase the multifaceted nature of transformation.
Sometimes, the most potent revelations emerge from places we least expect. Christina and I delve into the transformative impact of therapy, the revelation of an ADHD diagnosis, and the courage to overcome obstacles that once seemed insurmountable. We celebrate the courage it takes to face fears, invest in new ventures, and maintain meaningful connections, while also recognizing the importance of letting go of the guilt that hinders growth. With Christina's journey as our compass, we explore the neuroscience behind positive self-talk, the liberating experience of solo travel, and the power of vision boards, affirming that the road to self-improvement is as much about the mindset as it is about the milestones.
Embark on an odyssey where solitude becomes a solace and fears transform into stepping stones. As Christina shares her stories of challenging fear, investing in real estate with no prior knowledge, and forging human connections across the globe, we're reminded of the profound strength in vulnerability. Her experiences serve as a poignant reminder that growth demands us to shed the weight of guilt, take risks, and above all else, believe in the good within ourselves and others. Every chapter of Christina's story, from the harrowing escalator mishap to the embrace of authenticity, underlines the limitless potential within each of us to sculpt lives that resonate with fulfillment and joy.
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They say the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, but for Christina Bowman, it was a leap from the familiar comforts of a small village to the vast world beyond. Join me as we traverse Christina's inspiring evolution, from a people-pleaser to a self-assured nomad, who after her divorce, embraced the globe as her playground. This episode is a vibrant tapestry woven with stories of resilience, self-discovery, and the relentless pursuit of personal growth. Christina's candid reflections on her family's influence, the profound loss of a close friend that steered her towards travel, and the powerful lessons of the 75 Hard challenge, showcase the multifaceted nature of transformation.
Sometimes, the most potent revelations emerge from places we least expect. Christina and I delve into the transformative impact of therapy, the revelation of an ADHD diagnosis, and the courage to overcome obstacles that once seemed insurmountable. We celebrate the courage it takes to face fears, invest in new ventures, and maintain meaningful connections, while also recognizing the importance of letting go of the guilt that hinders growth. With Christina's journey as our compass, we explore the neuroscience behind positive self-talk, the liberating experience of solo travel, and the power of vision boards, affirming that the road to self-improvement is as much about the mindset as it is about the milestones.
Embark on an odyssey where solitude becomes a solace and fears transform into stepping stones. As Christina shares her stories of challenging fear, investing in real estate with no prior knowledge, and forging human connections across the globe, we're reminded of the profound strength in vulnerability. Her experiences serve as a poignant reminder that growth demands us to shed the weight of guilt, take risks, and above all else, believe in the good within ourselves and others. Every chapter of Christina's story, from the harrowing escalator mishap to the embrace of authenticity, underlines the limitless potential within each of us to sculpt lives that resonate with fulfillment and joy.
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Hello and welcome to the Bamboo Lab podcast with your host, Peak Performance Coach, Brian Bosley. Are you stuck on the hamster wheel of life, spinning and spinning but not really moving forward? Are you ready to jump off and soar? Are you finally ready to sculpt your life? If so, you've landed in the right place. This podcast is created and broadcast just for you, All of you strivers, thrivers and survivors out there. If you'd like to learn more about Brian and the Bamboo Lab, feel free to reach out to explore your true peak level at wwwbamboolab3.com.
Speaker 2:Hey everyone, welcome to this week's show. As you know, my name is Brian. I'm your host. We have a really fun, very fun, very entertaining guest on today, someone I have known for, I think, close to 10 years now 8, 9, 10 years. We have Christina Bowman on. So here's the best way to describe Christina she's a devoted, nomad mindset, enthusiast, connection connoisseur and genuine experience seeker, as a student of life, and I'm really excited.
Speaker 2:So I got to know Christina 9, 10 years ago through a client of mine and we just connected on social media, connected through text, and we had a great conversation on the phone last week, I think for an hour as I was driving. We set up for today's show and I've been so excited for today to interview her. I was sick on Sunday. I didn't know if we were going to pull off the interviews today, but I've been able to rally and feel good now. So I had my first cup of coffee in almost two or three days, about an hour ago, so I'm feeling a little energized. But anyway, all that aside, my amazing friend Christina, welcome to the Bamboo Lab podcast.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you, sir. Happy to be here. I'm happy you're feeling better and you're probably going to need that energy with the coffee with me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I noticed when we talked last week I was just all my energy was gone because we had such a great conversation, but I felt energized at the same time. But you are a spark plug and that's awesome, oh, thank you.
Speaker 2:Well, it's funny because everybody out there, so I don't know if it was two weeks ago, I was thinking I've been reaching out to people saying, ok, we have a lot of people who will email saying, hey, I'd like to be on your show, and we do pick some of those people, but if I don't know them, it takes a lot more work for me to do the research to see if it's something that we should put somebody we should put on the show.
Speaker 2:So I was going through, I asked a lot of my clients and friends and former guests, hey, if you know anybody? And then I was scrolling through Facebook and Christina's picture came up, her post, and I'm like, dude, I need to pull Christina in here because I follow her on Facebook and I love to watch her travel pictures. And she said like that same day she was considering or thinking about reaching out to me. So it was just perfect timing and everything. So I'm glad we finally got to do this show today. So, christina, I've gotten to know, obviously, a lot more about you over the past few years, but can you please share with the guest a little bit about yourself, where you're from your childhood, who or what inspired you growing up, just whatever you want to share.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely so. It's like the dreaded about me section when you do like a dating profile or something. I always feel weird doing things.
Speaker 2:I think your bio is the perfect description of you for any dating app.
Speaker 3:I might have to use that from now on. Honestly, that was the best little cohesive writing I've ever done, I think. But yeah, no, I've honestly grown up, born and raised here in Michigan. I've lived here my entire life. I've been predominantly in Southern Michigan, although I did go to Grand Valley State University and got a bachelor's degree in communications from there, but promptly moved back home. I'm really really close to my family. I think that that's probably one of the most wholesome things about me. But even though I look here.
Speaker 2:You're very close to your brother, aren't you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have two brothers. I'm really close to both of them.
Speaker 2:Both of them OK. I notice you post a lot on Facebook. That's really cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my family and I are exceptionally close. I actually my younger brother and I, go every single Sunday to my parents' house and we play cards with them. If you see, in some of my posts I have a little like ASA spades tattoo on my right hand because we play spades every single weekend, so it's a little nod to my family.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. I love that. So, growing up, what was it like? You're up in a small town or where.
Speaker 3:Very so. I grew up in a village, not even a town or city yeah, the big village of Clayton. I grew up in 15 acres and just very country living. I actually went to a private Christian school for through third grade I finally transferred to public school in fourth. So I had I don't want to say a sheltered life, but a very conservative life for the most part starting out, and public school was a huge transition for me, getting to come out of my shell a little bit, show my personality, really figure out if I had a personality somewhere in there.
Speaker 2:Trust me, I do.
Speaker 3:So that was probably a bigger transition period as a child. And then, like I said, I have two brothers. My older one is 12 years older. My younger one is a lot closer to me she's only two years younger than me and my older one enlisted in the military, in the Air Force, when I was six, so I literally was glued to that man's leg anytime he was home. So if we have to talk about role models, he's probably, as a child, the person that I looked up to or wanted to be like the most growing up.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know it's so funny, christine. I've shared this a lot on the show. I would guess if I went back and I'm not going to, but if I did go back to the 100, this is the 114th episode and I think out of that 114 episode, maybe 90 of those 85, 90, were me interviewing somebody versus me just talking, and I would imagine 70% or more of the people I've interviewed are from small towns, maybe more than that Really. Yeah, I mean I had a few from New York City and a few from bigger towns LA but most I would say it may be 80% to 85% are from small towns.
Speaker 2:Graduated with a one lady graduate, I think, with five people in her class. I'm from a small town. I think we had 75 in our graduating class, but it doesn't and they're from all walks of life at all parts of the country and they've all done different things in their lives. And I don't know if there is a connection. Maybe I connected to people from small towns more, I don't know or just that people who do really interesting things in life, a lot of those people do come from small communities.
Speaker 3:You know, maybe it's that those of us that come from small towns and small communities always feel like there's something bigger and better out there. And I think there's two different types of people really those who are very comfortable in that life and want to stay there and don't really seek anything outside of it, and those that really want to see everything that is out there, but until you're exposed to it you don't even know that it exists. So kind of one of those things is like a dopamine hit. When you travel outside or venture outside of your little community You're like, oh well, if this is cool, look at the next thing be. And look at the next thing be.
Speaker 2:I agree and I also think there's a value to growing up in a small community where you tend to have your, tend to be close to your family because they tend to live closer to you geographically so you can visit more often. You get to know people, a lot more people in a small community than you do in a large city quite often times, because you get to know everybody, whereas in a city you might just know your core group of people. You may be exposed sometimes to less viewpoints, which seems kind of counterintuitive, but when you're a small community you get to meet almost everybody in the town. You get to know them. You get to see them at school, at church, at ball games, at the fairs, carnivals, wherever you go.
Speaker 2:And there's something that I think was always the standard that people thought if you're from a big city you're exposed to bigger ideas. That's not true. I've lived in bigger cities, I've lived in small towns and I really think you learn a lot, you are exposed to a lot of things if you look for it in a small community and if you stay with your small group of people in your small community and you don't venture out, of course you're going to be more subjected to just one mindset, but there's a lot of different diversity in small communities. You just have to look for it.
Speaker 3:I agree and I also think sorry to interrupt you but how you talked about how in bigger cities you don't really feel like you were exposed to as much. I think that there's just so much deeper connection in a closer next community. But also even when I travel, every big city that I travel to feels so impersonal.
Speaker 2:Oh, 100% agree, you ever go to New York City. I think it's cool.
Speaker 3:I have zero desire to. Honestly, it is at the bottom of my list. My list is pretty long.
Speaker 2:I really like it. I do and I really like Chicago. I don't like Chicago as much anymore. I used to love going to Chicago every year too, but I just like the experience of those cities at times. But when you're there you do feel isolated. You're around millions of people and you feel alone. Where you walk down the street of a small town, you see a small group of people, but you do not feel alone. You get the waves and the hellos. So I think there's a lot of value to that.
Speaker 3:I was just going to say that. I was just going to say that when you're in a small town even when I drive by people like so go to my parents' house, just to give you an idea of how country it is there's no paved road for two miles.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so when you're driving on the road, even if it's just casually, you wave to the people that are driving by, so there's always that. But there are times when I've been out and surrounded by millions of people or thousands of people, and you feel lonelier in that setting than you do by yourself.
Speaker 2:I think it's important, though, for all of us who grew up in small towns, to either move away for a while then come home, or travel while you're there to see other parts of the world and so you don't become so homogenous and come back and that way you appreciate the value of your community much more and you have this exposure of other worldviews and other the things you've been doing. So let's get into that a little bit. So I want to ask you, as this iconoclastic person that's really why I brought you on here, because when I see your stuff on Facebook and when I talk to you, the thing that kind of comes up to me is that you just live your life the way you want to live your life. You just live it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know we all have insecurities and we all try to fit in at times and we do things for other people even though we don't want to, or we live a life somewhat to conform to some degree. You seem to do that less than most people. Was that something you always have been like or is that something that?
Speaker 2:happened later in life OK.
Speaker 3:You can think therapy for that one. No, I'm not joking. I was probably the biggest people-pleaser growing up. I cared way too much about what people thought, and I still have to remind myself quite often that it's not necessarily that other people's opinions don't matter, but they're not going to matter in how the course of my life plays out. So if I wouldn't take advice from the person, why does their opinion really matter?
Speaker 3:I like that kind of thing. But yeah, definitely, definitely. No, I was not like this until I would say I don't know. I really feel like I hit my stride at like 30.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's probably right around the time I met you. No, I met you when you were in your 20s or when I first got introduced to you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that I was starting to get there Like there was little like creeks of sunlight coming out where I was trying to figure it out. But I think it all kind of clicked for me and started coming together once I hit 30. But the years prior to that it was little glimpses of, oh well, I kind of like this and well, that feels good and all right, well, maybe I want to pursue this. So there was a lot of exploration there in the late 20s Because I mean, when I got out of high school, eventually I married my high school sweetheart and probably got divorced and then so I kind of got thrown out to the world in my mid-20s and that was the first time I got to really experience anything alone.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know you were ever married until just now. Most people don't. I never pops up anywhere. I guess it was when you were much younger, so I had no idea.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, yeah. I got married pretty young and got divorced promptly after, but we were together for 10 years almost, so I had never really experienced any part of adulthood alone until I was 24, 25 years old.
Speaker 2:Well, a lot of people that's not uncommon People go to college and they live with people and then they don't really get to explore life on their own until their mid-20s or somewhere in there. But I want to tell everybody. The reason I really wanted to bring Christine on here is one of the things I'm really impressed.
Speaker 2:There's three things that I'm really impressed with Christine, and number one she is a gym rat. I mean she's constantly working out in different forms, whether it's lifting weights or hiking. I mean she's very in tune with taking care of herself physically, but also she's very in tune with taking care of herself mentally and emotionally. She's got an incredibly sharp brain and mind. She's very focused on constant personal development and growth and she travels all the time to really cool places around the world, and sometimes alone, sometimes with others, which I'm sure she'll get into here. But so, from that kind of person who was a people pleaser to this person who you are now, was there a moment of epiphany or an inspiration? That kind of you kind of started thinking OK, I want to make some changes and I want to become more of who I am.
Speaker 3:I don't know that it was that conscious, but yes, I would say like over the course of a few years, like I started discovering that there were things that I really enjoyed doing and things that I wanted to do, like you brought up hiking. I had never done it before and suddenly I think it was like 2016 or 2017. Well, actually, I guess there was a pretty good catalyst somewhere in there in 2016. I lost one of my best friends to suicide and Now, thinking back on that, that probably was one of the biggest Catalyst for change.
Speaker 3:I booked a flight a few weeks later to go visit another friend that lived in Arizona, just to escape, and so I think that travel at that point became kind of an escapeism path. But I got, I went to the Grand Canyon for the first time on that trip and just kind of that kind of set the tone where I was like, okay, well, when I'm feeling trapped or Like I need to go somewhere, like I can actually go somewhere. And I had never traveled alone. I didn't even have a passport until 2018.
Speaker 2:Well, you've got. You've definitely been using that passport since 18. That's for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I would. I would definitely say that that was probably a big catalyst for change, because I I had lost a few friends at a pretty young age. I lost one to a car crash when he was Gosh I couldn't have been more than 21 years old at the time and he had just come back from deployment and then, a few years later, I lost this one and it, like death, is a really common thing, I guess, in my life, and I don't know if consciously it put it in perspective, but I'm guessing that subconsciously it really did that. Alright, I need to Get working on these things and get doing things, and I don't even know that I had a dream of traveling or even knew if I would enjoy it, so, but I just kind of started doing things that were outside of my comfort zone because I was very I Was very much the person that stayed within those four walls of my comfort zone and never broke out, which is kind of crazy to say now, because I'm completely the opposite now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, so in the, let's look at the. I don't care if we talk about the last 12 months or the last couple of years. Can you share what is a great learning you've had recently that we can, that others can can benefit from?
Speaker 3:Man, I feel my whole life is a series of learning experiences. I don't. I feel like there's just such a theme of highs and lows and for me, I really had to pick up on the fact that there will always be highs and lows and what I needed to focus on was how I brought myself out of those and through over the course of time. Maybe something that people can pick up on is that I really learned that it was dependent on me. The lows only last as long as, as long as I allowed them to. If I wanted to wallow in my own self pity and my own self destruction, then I was going to stay there for a long time. If I was going to let it affect me in a negative way, that was my choice. So, like once, I kind of gave the power back to myself and said, okay, well, this happened and yeah, that freaking sucks and that hurts and it's terrible, but what can? What do I want from it? What do I want to do or like, how do I want to get myself out of it? And you brought up Fitness and being a gym rat, my.
Speaker 3:I've very much learned over the years that my mental health is very heavily dependent on Physical activity. I have to stay active, I have to be doing things. That is a very cathartic release for me, but I think growing wise it's just how learning how to pull yourself out of bad situations, especially mentally learn what works for you. For me, it's staying active, it's staying physical. It's also not consuming things that are highly negative. I had to weed out a lot of social media, a lot of friends, a lot of Influences in my life that were not benefiting me in any sort of way, and it's heartbreaking. At that time we kind of talked about this a little bit ago. But you have to grieve that loss. But then the end it's so much better for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we both talked about this before we started recording and we talked about it last week on the phone and you know, I've done the same thing with people in my life in the past year and a half to two years and it still hurts. There are moments when there's still the grieving process still goes on of things that I've lot of left behind or have, you know, excommunicated from my life, so to speak, whether it be people or behaviors. When you were doing that, when you were making that conscious choice to move past things that were toxic to you, what, what was that like emotionally for you?
Speaker 3:So terrible. Yeah, just like I can't sugarcoat that, it's freaking awful. Like I remember feeling like the lowest that I've ever felt in my life. Like I'll just give you an example of kind of a recent high and low, I did 75 hard after A breakup that I didn't even know I was having at that time. So back in like fall of 2022. I decided to do 75 apart.
Speaker 2:Can you share with us? With that, I know what it is, but maybe a lot of audience members don't know.
Speaker 3:It's intense. So it's not a it's it's not a fitness program. I just want to put that out there first, because everybody thinks that it's a health and fitness and weight loss program. No, it's a mental focus and fortitude challenge. It's basically asking you can you spend 75 days Focus solely on you and building you better, and can you like Put the focus on you for that long? So you have to do two 45 minute workouts every day. One of them has to be outside. Doesn't matter if it's rain, shine, snow, 2000 degrees, inferno and 100% humidity here. You have to do one of those outside. You also have to drink a gallon of water per day, read 10 pages of a personal development book, take a progress photo every day and I am missing. Oh, follow a diet no sheet meals, no alcohol, no, nothing. First, 75 straight days. You miss one thing you start over on day one.
Speaker 2:So okay, so is it seven days a week, twice a day, 45 minutes of workout.
Speaker 3:First 75 days.
Speaker 2:And you don't miss a day.
Speaker 3:Don't miss a day. And there's one thing about me I am overly competitive, so I will not fail at something.
Speaker 2:So okay, so going out. Let's say you did the 45 minutes outside, Could it be a walk?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was predominantly what I did. I would go for a walk on my lunch break. I'd take like 45 minutes to an hour, go walk the trails here in the town that I work at, and just that would be my 45 minutes outside. And then, if I didn't do that, I tended to put my stationary bike outside and I would ride that. I did a lot of kayaking if it was summertime, but I love being outdoors, so walking outdoors is very. That one was good for me. I enjoyed that a lot.
Speaker 2:Because I think when I reached out a few weeks ago to a lot of people asking, hey, you know, if you have a friend or somebody you have a strong connection with that you want to have on the podcast, I think one of the people sent back the founder of 75 Heart. I have not reached out.
Speaker 3:Andy Priscilla.
Speaker 2:That's the name.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Get him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, was he a baseball player.
Speaker 3:I want to say yes, no, no, no, no, edmai Lett was a baseball player.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure about Andy. Edmai Lett was a baseball player, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Ed and Andy are very close Like. I know that they even have a business thing that they do together, because I follow both of them intensely.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Well, that was the name that you sent out 75 Heart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was the name of the person. I just haven't pursued that yet. But, um, okay, so that's. Everybody knows what 75 Heart is. I'll try to remember to include a link to it. So if anybody wants to explore it further, hopefully I'll remember to put at the bottom of the show notes, so anyway. So I'm sorry, I interrupted you to have you explain 75 Heart.
Speaker 3:So not at all interrupt me anytime you want. But yeah, so I did that and I had. I really don't think that there's a time in my adult life where I did not care about anything else going on. I was like I have to completely stasks, like I made this promise to myself. I have to keep this promise to myself because, like I said, I was like recovering people pleaser. So if somebody said, hey, can you skip that and can you skip your afternoon gym session and come do this with me, old me would have said, yeah, absolutely. But I had this thing in my mind. I was like, nope, can't give up on this. Nope, can't give up on this. And so I completed it first time through, never cheated once. I like the physical transformation was pretty astounding. I had never been in that good a shape in my entire life. I'm like five three, but I'm a very stocky five three Like I'm heavily muscular. You are.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So I got down to, I think, 152 pounds and that was the lowest that I had ever been, an adult and as an adult. And you could, you could see my abs and I was like I didn't even know those existed anymore. But I was. I felt so good and I think a big part of that was not drinking, because we live in such a society where, like it's just casual drinking on a normal basis and I wouldn't say that I was a super heavy drinker, but I was definitely your glass of wine a night at dinner, like relax, can girl, and I never knew life without alcohol, so that was a bit different.
Speaker 3:But the mental focus that I had after that was just, I was on fire, like everything I did mentally. I was like firing on all eight cylinders. I was like I was on fire all the time. I was on fire all 12. And I had never felt better physically or mentally. And then, as soon as it was over, I was like, okay, I'm going to have that donut. Donuts are my absolute weakness. So I went to a cidery, had donuts and I stay and I was like, oh, I don't feel that great. It took a little while to try to figure out what was going to be a balance between life, normal life, because I mean that program is not sustainable for life. I know that people do it, but you really give up everything else to focus on you, so for me it wasn't sustainable for a lifestyle, but it really did a great job of putting prioritizing my focus and knowing what I wanted and how I felt and knowing that I could even feel that good.
Speaker 2:That was huge, but it was fast forward to play. Was it like at that moment when you were doing that? Because you had such physical clarity and emotional, mental clarity, it opened up almost a crack in the wall where you could now see. Because of that clarity you could see where you wanted to go more in your life and really wanted out of life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I even started taking online courses from like Tony Robbins and signing up for different personal development webinars and getting into different businesses and exploring. What did I want to do outside of my day job? Because I live this extraordinary life and I kind of have, I love my job. I just don't want to. I don't want it to sound like I don't, but it's a very mundane job for the the life that I live and I'm like, okay, what's there outside of it?
Speaker 2:Sure, and I'm assuming all the weight the work you do physically and emotionally and mentally also makes you much better at your job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, I would say so.
Speaker 2:Well, as you continue to sign up for these Tony Robbins and all these courses, I know a really good peak performance coach.
Speaker 3:Oh, I do too. He seems to be pretty incredible and he's got this amazing podcast too.
Speaker 2:You should go on it one day.
Speaker 3:I know, I think God is inviting me. I think.
Speaker 2:Oh, the honor is mine, my friend, so you know. So here's the thing. I think a lot of people will think okay, that's 75, hard, that sounds really awesome. I'm not going to do it, I'm just talking for a lot of people out there. But you know what? Oh, yeah, that's not the thing really. That's. This is like the. This is the tip of the mountain of the 75. This is the. This is the kind of the Mac Daddy version of it. But everybody can do something. You could say, okay, I'll commit to a half hour every day of working out. I'll, you know, I'll read, I the reading, 10 pages of personal development. That's not that difficult for anybody to do.
Speaker 3:See that's funny. That was my least favorite part.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:I almost missed that the most.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I just got a really good book today.
Speaker 3:You can't do audiobooks. You have to sit and read, and getting me to sit down is a little difficult.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially if you can't have a glass of wine while you're sitting down. Correct? I just got a really good book in the mail. The book was just released today. So Gay Hendricks is one of my favorite all time thought leaders in the world. He's been on Oprah eight times. He's written the most amazing book I've ever or top five most amazing books I've ever read called the Big Leap, and I've been waiting for his next book to come out and it came out today, so I got the copy today.
Speaker 2:It's called the Big Leap Year. It's taken this concept of taking your life to the next level, which the Big Leap is all about, and this is a daily reading and a daily exercise that you do for the next 365 days. It literally just came in the mail between the last podcast I did two hours ago in this one, so I haven't even had a chance to crack it and Gay Hendricks was actually on my podcast a year and a half ago or so and it was one of my favorite shows to be able to interview a guy that I've looked up to for I don't know, the last 10, 20 years of my life. There's all these little things you can do maybe not 75 hard, but maybe do 35 not so hard, create your own, I don't know, but to gain that mental clarity, that physical clarity is so powerful for so many aspects of your life.
Speaker 2:I know when I like I'll go like 13 days and I won't have a drink, 13, 14 days and I'll have a few beers and I'm like, why did I do that? I felt so good in those 13 or 14 days. Or I'll have a gin and tonic and then I told you, I'm not a guy who sits and has one beer. That's why I don't have a lot of beers. I never have beer at my house because I don't sit down, I don't mow the lawn and crack a beer. I don't crave beer. I don't crave alcohol like I crave water.
Speaker 2:But when I do I feel relaxed and I'll have another one. And then I'll have another one. And that's where, if I just don't have the first one, I'm perfectly fine. And in social settings, that's where I you know my friends are having beer. It's kind of hard if, when I used to go to deer camp or I go visit friends or go to dinner and somebody has. Well, if I don't have the first one, I don't care, but if I have the first one. I'm having three or four of them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I kind of feel you on that Well, and we're so I don't know conditioned to. If you have something to celebrate, you go out for drinks. If you are sad, have a drink. If you have any sort of emotional reaction on the planet, have a drink. And we don't have a lot of options, especially in social settings, to do something outside of that, especially when everybody's a happy drinker here. It seems like, at least when I travel, I actually drink less when I travel.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Well, I think even even though, like it's more, like every country I've gone to is like more libation.
Speaker 2:But don't you think, because your mind is stimulated by so many other things, that you don't really feel like you need to have a drink?
Speaker 3:Yeah, probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think probably accurate.
Speaker 2:I mean I went to like when I travel, yeah, I don't, I don't find myself. I mean, most of my travel is for business, which unfortunately it is, and I don't really. I don't ever, I don't mix my business with alcohol ever. But even I went to Hawaii two years ago I think, one night I had several drinks by myself by the at the bar, because everybody else was in bed, and I met a guy there and he and I and his wife talked and then went to Park City, utah, two years ago for four or five nights and I don't, I maybe had a, maybe you know a drink at dinner and that was it.
Speaker 2:You know stuff like that, because there's so much else to do. Your mind and your body is always looking and moving and seeing new experiences. So I think it just has a. It's just a different feel. I have a question for you and I'd like you to go. I know you're a pretty deep person. This is my favorite question to ask because it really helps me connect with with you and it helps the audience connect with you. During the course of your life, christina, what is the most or one of the most difficult things you've ever gone through? And then how did you overcome it?
Speaker 3:Oh man. So how much time do you have? What do you?
Speaker 2:want. I'm kidding, I know you have that conference room for two hours, so I do.
Speaker 3:But, yeah, sometimes I think it's hard to believe that I'm old, that I'm only 36, because there's so many times that I look back at life and I'm like man. I can't believe I lived through that, or like that's a totally different version of me, like it seems like I've lived a dozen different life lifetimes within this one life. I've gone through things that, like I don't wish on anybody else. I've gone through pretty much everything you can imagine a relationship between like being cheated on, being physically abused, like love bond abandoned. Like I said, I've lost friends to car accidents and had suicides and things like that. But honestly, if I had to put it down as like the most difficult thing that I've ever had to overcome was my own brain, I really, really think that because it was always my, my perception, my way of thinking that was holding me back, and so I was diagnosed with anxiety, actually when I was 16. I had all these panic attacks all the time and I couldn't control them and the doctors said, oh, you have anxiety, here's the medicine. Well, well, well, fast forward to. As an adult, I'm still not having the best time of my life mentally. I'm still very much trying to control everything in every situation, because I needed that in order to feel safe and secure. So I had this essence about me as being like oh God, here comes Christina. Like she's going to take charge of everything and bulldoze everybody in the room because she just needs things done a very particular way. And that was accurate. So I knew that I wasn't I don't want to say like functioning well. I was a very well functioning adults, but I wasn't loving life, I wasn't enjoying it and I wasn't depressed by any stretch of the imagination, but I just was like there's got to be something better, like this can't be normal.
Speaker 3:And I ended up putting myself into therapy, thank God. And after about a year, she looks at me and she's like have you ever thought that maybe you don't have anxiety? And I was like no, that thought is never honestly crossed my mind. And she's like I think that you have ADHD and the anxiety is a symptom. And when I tell you, I got so freaking mad at my therapist Like I was like I do not have ADHD. I am not some child that runs rampage all the time and has super high energy and does this, this, this, this and this, and she's like I don't have to call you out. But when you got mad the last time, what did you do? And I just kind of pause. And she's like you drove overnight to go hiking in Tennessee. She's like, if that's not impulsive, I don't know what is. And so I was like, okay, well, you may have a point.
Speaker 3:So it took me like another six months and I was like, well, here's the thing. I'm only going to like, I'm not gonna have you just test me for ADHD. I want you to test me for everything, everything on the spectrum. So they threw the book it may test it before. Anxiety, depression, autism, my intelligence level, adhd, bipolar, literally everything. And it comes back and there's four different areas that you can test in for ADHD and I was 92% or higher in every single one. So when I finally got put on the correct medication, I literally cried. Because I called her, because I was like is this how normal people feel? Like I just literally bawled because it was the first time that like I had a thought go through my head and just the thought went in, I thought it and it went out. It didn't ping pong in 70 different directions. I didn't have to control everything. I felt relaxed for the first time I wasn't socially awkward in front of people. That was a great thing.
Speaker 2:So what year was that or how long ago?
Speaker 3:I started seeing her. I think I started seeing her when I was 30. I've been, I was 32. So four years ago, okay, five years ago.
Speaker 2:And that's so. That has been a game changer for you.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely freaking, literally yeah you know what's interesting?
Speaker 2:I had well it'll air, well it'll last week's episode with Amanda Lohan and she was the first female black belt to get to black belt in the state of Oregon and she talked about how therapy changed her life as well. It was one of the things she would tell her former self when she, if she went back in time, is to go to therapy. You know and we, we mentioned this on the show is how many people and of course, there, and I think therapy is amazing. I've been to therapy so many times throughout my at least. I started when I think it was 20 or 21 in college.
Speaker 2:Greg or Gary was my therapist in college and he changed my life and I've had maybe eight therapists over the as I've moved, you know, and I would say two or three were garbage, they didn't do anything for me, didn't last long, but the other ones were all incredible impetuses to the man I've become. And I think so many people are afraid of therapy and you know now, with this better help that you can do online or do over the phone. It's a little less intrusive, it's a little more convenient, maybe not quite as scary. I think everybody can benefit from therapy, every single person, because we're all fucked up in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 3:We are I mean come on, you're not joking.
Speaker 2:I mean. I mean and it's the people that what I've noticed and I've had the benefit from my career of being able to coach people one on one and getting to know people intimately that I coach over years it's the one is, quite often they're the ones who try to hide it the most, who have this pure clean life on the outside, are the ones when you really dig deep down. They are the ones who are the most hurting inside and they benefit the most, but they just have this shell up, you know so. So that was, that was four or four years ago, you said, when you started, when you went to therapy.
Speaker 3:I think I started in my I think I want to say I started when I was 30 or 31 and I got medicated at 32. That's awesome, yeah, so cool, and but I was so against it, like I was like absolutely not.
Speaker 3:And then I'm like, okay, well, what can I do besides medication, because medication for anxiety never worked for me. So I'm like, okay, what kind of holistic approach can we go here? And they're like, I mean, you're pretty much doing everything you can. But if you look at, my calendar is color coded. If you look at, like I am the most detailed person on the planet and what did my boss call me disgustingly organized and are you an over thinker?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, not so much anymore. Well, I mean not to call you out, but last week when I asked you for a bio, you overthought the bio just a little bit. So I just I said I need a little bio you know and you know most people don't have a bio written up, so they have to write about themselves.
Speaker 2:And so Christina texted me or called me, I'm not sure and said I'm really struggling with this. And I sent her a copy of someone else's. It was like two sentences and she goes oh my God, I can do this. And then she said I think one of the coolest bio is what I read it, the beginning of the show today. It was perfectly raw. It was perfectly. It was so simple, yet so concise at the same time.
Speaker 3:So you sold me with that because I love writing Like that's one of my little secret side hobbies is that I love writing and so I was like, oh, I get to kind of explore this. This is kind of nice.
Speaker 2:Well, I think, you know, I think a person who knows him or herself most are the ones who can, who can describe themselves in the least amount of words. You know.
Speaker 2:I like that thought when I I'm probably going to be cremated but I might earn. I want three words Drive, love, live. That's all I want. That's all you want to put. Love live. So so, overcoming your own. So you lost a friend to suicide, you lost a friend to a car accident. You've had a relationship problems in the past, you cheated on it, you abused and things like that. But your biggest obstacle is just what you've overcome in your head. And overcoming your own brain.
Speaker 3:And I would say so yeah.
Speaker 2:So, other than therapy, and you'd be able to get on the proper medication. What are some things that you continue to do to overcome that? You know that I always call the demon in my brain, so to speak. But what are you? What are some things that you do? You've done 75 hard all these, but share with us a little bit about Christina Bowman's life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that becoming self aware and owning your own bullshit is where it has to start. Like I had to really call myself out on my own bad behavior and my own self destructive patterns. And the older you get, the more self aware you become. I think it's just a part of life. But some people go through life and they have. You can either go through life and have everything happen to somebody else that happened to me and they're going to see it from a totally different perspective, from whatever mindset they're at that time. You can have two people share the exact same experience and one will see it come out of it completely different than the other. So, like, if you want to overcome anything, I feel like you have to call yourself out. You have to be like okay, listen. Like I know we're going with this and that's not a good place, but for me, physical activity is number one. Like, if my body is not busy and I am lethargic, my brain takes over. So it doesn't matter if it's a walk, I don't need to be doing crazy things, but I just need some sort of physical release. So for me I would that would be my first suggestion Like, if you, if you need to start anywhere. Just put your body in motion. Call me a brain down. Put your body in motion and it'll call me a brain down eventually. But just commit to yourself on something.
Speaker 3:I'm not a big advocate of really strict diets. I'm not a big advocate of very strict exercise plans. The appeal to me of 75 part was that I could do whatever I wanted for those exercises. But I love a challenge and so if people are like me and they like that challenge, then they challenge yourself to do something. But also, like you really have to commit to yourself too. And it's so strange. But I think the hardest part in overcoming any part of you is like you almost have to be vulnerable with yourself to be vulnerable with others. And that's where that like self acceptance and self awareness comes in. Because if you can't, like I said, own your own bullshit, you're not being real with yourself. And you can't even be vulnerable with yourself enough to realize your own bullshit, how are you supposed to be vulnerable and go through life with anybody else?
Speaker 2:You know, you just gave me the podcast title, don't you? No I didn't own your own bullshit.
Speaker 3:Oh deal. I love it.
Speaker 2:No, you know, and I use you say, you know physical activity is key to your. I believe this 100%. I believe it's key to everybody. I think some people need it more for mental clarity, but I think everybody benefits from physical activity.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and like I say it doesn't need to be anything strenuous, because I think when people hear the word exercise if you're not, if you're not somebody who's into fitness or into physical activity, already you hear the word exercise and you kind of panic. You're like, oh my God, what do you expect me to do? Like I'm not sitting there and doing 2000 burpees. I'm like, yeah, I haven't done one of those in like five years, but I'm just as simple as like going for a 30 minute walk or doing yoga, like something where you are like get away from your freaking phones, get away from social media, get away from anything electronic and just like be at peace in your own brain for a second.
Speaker 2:You know you said something commit, commit to yourself on something. And I think people struggle with that one because I know I did for years Like I would commit to something for my own and I always have worked on physical and mental development, but I've always under, I've always under delivered on what I could have on those areas probably better. I'm probably been better at the physical stuff than the mental stuff. And I realized probably three years ago, four years ago, maybe during COVID, I don't know I realized the reason I've always under delivered on my commitments to myself is because I never believed I deserved it. And I think there are a lot of people out there that say, well, why the? Okay, I commit to this because I want to be better at something, I want to improve here or improve there.
Speaker 2:But then after you do it, you're like I don't fucking deserve to be that person, I don't deserve to reach that height, I don't deserve that goal.
Speaker 2:And you give up. And you know, I think that's a lot of your comfort zone inside, it's your comfort zone holding you back saying Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're getting, you're getting in better shape, you're getting smarter, you're making more money, whatever it is Back off, little buddy, you're not, that's not you you belong to. You stand this little bubble over here and when you finally break that first layer of your comfort zone and that rubber, I look at it as like a rubber band and it snaps and your rubber band is now bigger and but the first time you break that comfort zone it becomes easier to break the next layer of comfort zone and it's just. You build that momentum, you know, build that habit and I think there's a lot of beauty to just in setting a small goal, committing to it, breaking it, then setting a little bigger, breaking that one. Start small. I mean 75 hard is going to be hard for a lot of people. They don't have your commitment level.
Speaker 3:But they have to understand that I didn't start there.
Speaker 2:That's right, yeah, so talking about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, if you look back, I was very fit in high school. I went to college, I quit working out, I ate like absolute garbage and I drank all the time. I went from like 160 pounds in high school to 215 pounds. I was very, very heavy and one day I went to. I went to go snowboarding and I couldn't fit into my pants. But I fit into the season before, couldn't fit into any of my ex's car hearts at that point either Get to the top of the mountain and I'm like, oh so I'm up at the top of the mountain and like car hearts that won't zip and like a big old hoodie and I'm already feeling pretty fucking low about myself. And so I get to the top and if you know anything about snowboarding, you only get to put one foot in and then you have to, like, get off the lift, strap your other foot in and go down. I couldn't get over my own stomach to strap my other foot in, and so it's what it's a wake up call.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And so I just sat there like I had always told myself like you're not really that big, you're still healthy, blah, blah. And I got to the top of that mountain and I sat there and my ex was like here, let me do it for you. I was like no, I got this. Like 30 minutes later I'm still huffing and puffing, trying to stick my own fucking foot in this thing. And I just said I was like you go down, I'm done. And I sat at the top of that mountain. I was like we are done, like I just had a conversation with me myself and God and I was like we are done today. Is it like shit changes tomorrow?
Speaker 3:And I got down that mountain took off, my snowboard never went out for the rest of the day and the next day I just I started going to the gym again. I started like doing little things. I didn't change my life overnight, but I really was like, okay, you have to do something. So I don't want people that are listening to this and think like, oh yeah, she did 75 hard like and she makes it sound super easy, like that's after 10 years of just saying, okay, like, get me to the gym for 10 minutes a day. Like I started from a pretty low, low but, like I said, in my life is like a series of highs and lows, because right after 75 hard, here's another example I went hiking out in Utah. I have a huge bucket list and hiking at Zion National Park and Bryce Canyon National Park were on there. So less than 30 days I finished 75 hard.
Speaker 3:I am on the high of my life physically and mentally and I some I still don't know what I did, but I hurt my knee hiking through the narrows and it was pretty bad like couldn't go down a flight of stairs by the time I got home. Like I went from working out twice a day to being pretty much at a standstill and the total that takes on you mentally, when you know your mental health is dependent on physical activity. I went from a really high high to a really low, low and I gained a bunch of weight back. I got really sad. I was not feeling good about myself in any way, shape or form. So like you just have to start somewhere and you have to start over. And that's why I said like the low points last as long as you allow them to. So in the quicker you come to realize that, in the quicker that you can say OK, let me call myself out on my own bullshit right now. Like you are going down a really bad trail. You could turn yourself around and go a different direction.
Speaker 2:You know, it's so interesting when I when I on certain conversations that I have on this show, they hit me because I need to hear something.
Speaker 2:I'm you know there's a lot of times I'm interviewing somebody and I'm trying to figure out what, what content I can get to the audience to help someone. That part hit me because I can tell right now there are parts of my life that are going exceedingly well. Then there are a couple parts that are just I'm seeing that right now I'm like, oh man, I'm bullshit, call myself out like I'm going down. So I'm not going on a dark hole, but I'm on the. I'm on the first couple rungs of a bladder that could go really bad if I didn't make I don't make some changes. So this one this, this episode here was a is a nice wake up call for me, not just on the physical aspect, but just in a couple other areas in my life, that I'm thinking OK, all right, own your own bullshit and get up, you know, get off your ass and do something about this. So I got to thank you for that.
Speaker 3:When did you when you were talking. I love the fact that, like I, could give you a lesson, because you're always the one doing them out.
Speaker 2:Well, I, I dole lessons out because I get lessons from people. Trust me, I am more of a sponge than I, but most there are a few episodes that I've had that I'm like, oh gosh, this is exactly why I was destined to have this conversation today, and this is one of them. When you went to Utah, did you find a Salt Lake City?
Speaker 3:I did not know. I actually flew in the Vegas.
Speaker 2:Do you know that I'm on the I'm? I'm surprised it wasn't on all over the Internet. I fell down the escalade at Salt and they have the tallest escalator escalator. No, I'm thinking of no. What's the escalator? What is it? Escalator, escalator, sound right? So I was going up the escalator.
Speaker 2:We were flying out of Park City and we obviously flew out at Salt Lake City, but we were leaving and my girlfriend had two massively heavy suitcases and one was on the step. She was like three rungs ahead of me with my little suitcase. I had one of her big ones in front of me, on the step in front of me, and I had one underneath me and I was on the on the on the escalator step. Between the two big suitcases Well, the one before I lost the grip of the one below me and it fell and I went to reach for it and I fell down the escalator as it's going up and I landed at the bottom and I'm getting beat up by this. I can't stand up because the escalator is moving the whole time and it's beat me up. I'm going so I'm finally. I yelled somebody help, and so somebody ran over and hit the red button and I got up and people ran around me there.
Speaker 2:I mean it was funny. But I was beat up Like I was cut, bleeding. My pants were cut, oh my God, I mean I was. My face was cut up, my arms, my leg, I was bleeding pretty, pretty wide to go and get the bandages on it and I'm like, and my girlfriend starts screaming honey and she's, she's trying to get to me, but the escalator is going up and she can't, and obviously, but you know you land at the bottom of an escalator as it's moving. It just keeps bump, it just keeps. You know they keep rising up and they keep hitting you as you're trying to get. There's no way to get up you can't get up.
Speaker 3:Metaphor for life.
Speaker 2:It is. I fell down an upward moving escalator and I couldn't get up and I had to help me. I had to do the proverbial you know, help me, I've fallen and I can't get up, type scream. And people were standing around looking at me and I yelled the F word, somebody F and help me. And so somebody finally hit that little red button. That stopped everything. And then people gathered Are you okay? And I got up and I'm like I was more embarrassed at first, but then when I started moving forward about 10 minutes later, I realized how really help physically beat up. I was too so.
Speaker 3:I forgot about that until just now.
Speaker 2:Anyway, so a lot of it. So tell me about the mental stuff that you do. I mean the physical activities you do definitely exasperate your mental development, but you don't like to read self help books. I'm surprised because I was going to send you a copy of one, but I'm not now because you won't read it.
Speaker 3:I'm a big audio book person and I will. I will read one. I have. I have a whole library at home so I do read. It's just something that, like I really have to be in the mood for. So with 75 hard, when they were like you have to read 10 pages a day and like I don't feel like reading 10 pages today, but no, I so I don't like to read per se, but I would love to have to see whatever book you're talking about.
Speaker 2:I'd like you to read the Big Leap.
Speaker 3:That one did interest me. I'm not going to lie. Atomic habits is at my top list of favorite, one of the favorite books I've ever read, themselves Hope.
Speaker 2:James Clear man. He's got a brain on him. He's got this good stuff.
Speaker 3:I'm surprised he's a writer. Psychology of money too.
Speaker 2:Who wrote that one?
Speaker 3:Oh God, you're going to test me. I honestly have no idea that book was gifted to me and that one's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2:There's a good book out by Derek Kinney called the good, good money revolution. I think that's the best money book on money and why we should make money and people should be wealthy so they can do good things with it. He's been on my show twice and I that's my favorite book on money of all times. I'm not really a book on investing he does talk a little bit about it but it's a book on just the quality of what money really is and for anybody who's afraid of success or afraid of money or thinks money is the root of all evil, this book will sway you a different way. His premise is good people should have more money so they can do good things with it.
Speaker 3:I wholeheartedly agree.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I'm going to send you a copy of the Big Leap.
Speaker 3:Deal. But yeah, you asked what I was doing for like mindset side and not just physical side, so I guess I don't like to read but I love to write, so I'm a big journaler. Oh yeah, I'm a big, big journaler. I'm a fan of like visualizing and meditation and vision boards. I have vision boards everywhere and those things are creepy, like when they start coming true, they start really coming true.
Speaker 2:There's no doubt.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you've ever done them or not, but last year, like I had one, so I have one that I read you at the beginning of every year. It's kind of like an overall theme for the year, like things like big goals that I want to achieve. And last year I had I had a lot of things about being debt free and I had been working kind of a part time gig, nothing elaborate or beautiful, but it was giving me a couple extra hundred bucks a week and I was like, okay, well, maybe I could pay down my debt this way. I owned this rental property that made me some money, but I was always having to fix things. But I absolutely love being a landlord. I'm trying to get back into that this year, but I own that.
Speaker 3:And I just at the beginning of the year I was like I want to be debt free. I put pictures of all my credit cards paid off. I just had like money come. Money loves me and I love money, all kinds of things on there about it. And about six months into the year I got this scam text it was definitely a scam saying hey, christina, this is so and so from Cooper Capital investments and we're interested. We see you have a multi unit property and we're interested in selling it or buying it from you, and I was like, well, I know that's a scam, but I wonder what my house is worth. So I got a hold of my realtor and she's like you know, inventory for multi units is really low. Would you believe that I sold that house from almost double what I bought it for when I was 30? So five, six years later I sold that house for double what I bought it for. I had made money pretty much the entire time that I owned it and I was debt free by July 1st or by July 25th.
Speaker 2:Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:I'm a big fan of the vision boards are are I did a speech in I think it was poorly it was Oregon anyway six, seven years ago for a client and it was a. It was a. It wasn't a client but he was a client years ago but he was doing a client event for his clients and there might have been 100 people in that. He brought all these magazines and all this poster board and all this glue and and I and he did like a three hour class and how to develop a vision board for his clients. You know so, and I did a speech for like 40 minutes or something at the beginning on what a vision is and how to think about this. As you progressed in the rest of today's exercise and I had never done a vision board in my life and I've heard about I always thought they were hocus pocus. I did one too. I did my first one two years ago and you know what I did it. I did it on my phone. I got on some app and I made one like eight different components of it and for my personal life and my professional life and my podcast was right after I started. My podcast was probably two years ago and I have it as the screensaver on my phone. So every night when I go to bed that's what I see and I look at it and I'm looking at it. And you know they all haven't come true yet but they every one of those has progressed in a in a really good way. Yeah, they have. It's crazy, like I, it's what you put out in the universe.
Speaker 2:Have you heard the story of this guy? Saw it on a, I don't even know what. I saw in a documentary where he was. He. He and his family bought this house in Colorado. They had moved from, I believe, the East Coast to Colorado and they bought this beautiful home. And he he was in his office and he was going through some old boxes with his son and he pulled out a vision board from like seven years before and he started. He said I started bawling and my son was like what's wrong, dad? And he pulled up the vision board and the house that he and his wife bought was the exact house that he had cut out from a magazine and put on his vision board, not a duplicate or a replica. It was the exact house, exact address, and he had forgotten all about it. It's just he said it was like eight years ago. I forgot all about it, you know it's just about planting that seed.
Speaker 3:It is the same thing as like when I say like committing to yourself, like just plant a seed and commit to watering that freaking seed every damn day.
Speaker 2:I think that'd be a really good topic for this show is to do one on vision boards, because a lot of people are like I think some people like what the hell is a vision board?
Speaker 3:Some people have done people that look at me like I'm batshit crazy when I talk about them. But I'm like listen, you'll say that until things are happening. And then you're like oh my gosh, I manifested this and that's the crazy thing, that manifestation shit.
Speaker 2:I thought was all crazy. I was called it cycle babble, bullshit. And then I started. When you start studying neuroscience and then you start to study quantum physics, you realize that it's not a, this is not a esoteric type of process. It's actually there. It's an actual change in the way your brain thinks, the way your brain actually physically changes when you do.
Speaker 3:Tangible evidence yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I have everybody in my client base do a thing called the TPI exercise. I do it every day and that's the first thing I have a client do when they hire me is I have them create the best version of themselves. It takes about three weeks to develop it. They, they. What they do is they put all the roles they play in life that are important to them. Then they I say okay, at this role, let's say husband, I want you to describe what the perfect version of you is as a husband and I want you to write that down, like you say I am, and we get.
Speaker 2:It takes a while to word it right because you're trying to convince your right brain and your right brain hears words so different than your left brain does, so you can't put certain words in there. And then, when it's done, I say okay, now read it out loud once a day, maybe twice a day, right before you get up or right before you go to bed, and you read it out loud with and you use tonality, you can raise your hands, you act it out. If you want, you bring a motion to it. I said within 10 to 4, 10 to 21 days and you will start seeing some subtle changes within three to six months. Within three to six months you'll see exponential changes because you're telling your right brain this is who I am and you write you. Every decision you make and every action you take is all done on the right side of your brain. So if you think you're a piece of shit, you're going to get up and act like a piece of shit all day. But if you convince the right side of your brain that you're a really good person, you're energetic, you're healthy, you're amazing, father, whatever, you're going to act that out slowly over time, what your right brain thinks will dictate.
Speaker 2:It does dictate at all times what you think, feel, say and do. And so it's a. It's the same process, it's manifestation, but it physically changes your brain. They do these things called fmri's stands for functioning may net, magnetic resonance imaging. They put a machine on your head. Basically, they can look on a screen and they see your brain on a screen and over the course of doing exercises like this or vision vision boards, they see the brain physically change and it's so like where it was dark spots, now there are white spots or white, you know whatever, and it's crazy. So it is neuroscience combined with quantum physics, so it's not Babel bullshit, it's actual scientific proof. It's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so my brain works must work very similarly to yours, because I can't have a hard time believing things that I can't touch, feel, taste like. I need some sort of evidence for like causality and I was always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, love attraction, yeah, yeah, yeah, manifestation, same cycle, battle, bullshit. And then I started reading the same things about how, like, there are actual frequencies and wavelengths and how you're in the dark spots and all I spots fire up and exactly everything you just said. So now when I talk to people and I hear them talk negatively about themselves, like I correct them immediately.
Speaker 3:It's like one of my it's become one of my number one pet peeves, and I have especially some friends at work, one in particular.
Speaker 3:He's always like I'm this and I'm that and I'm like listen, you keep talking to yourself like that, like I'm gonna slap you, and because I'm like, I'm like you don't understand how much the influence like it's not bullshit when people say like what you say about yourself becomes a reality. So when, when you're sitting there saying like I, like you said, like I'm a piece of shit, dad, or just even something as simple as I'm stupid or I'm lazy, or I'm just fat, or I am this or I'm that and it's all negative. Like you're training your brain to believe that. You are training yourself, subconsciously and consciously, to only believe that and relive that every single day. So the whole concept of think positive like yes, it doesn't. It's not something where it's like think positive thoughts and everything is just going to be hunky dore like, but it starts a little chain reaction and then, like, a positive thought can turn into a positive action and a positive action can turn into a positive behavior and that behavior can turn into a habit.
Speaker 2:Next thing you know, six months from now, your whole life is changed just because you fed it a healthy seed 100% it's, and I know people out there there are people who are just like you and I were in the past were okay, I don't buy this bullshit stuff, but I'm going to tell you it's, if there's nothing more true. You, everybody, woke up this morning and you put your feet on the ground, at the floor on the ground, the floor on the side of your bed, and your subconscious brain assumed a certain role that you are. They gave you an identity of all these different adjectives of the describe. You described yourself subconsciously lazy, energetic, fat and shape, wealthy, poor, whatever, and whatever you thought your subconscious brain is exactly how you will act all day and it's so damn hard to change that content that on subconscious brain it's the. It rules everything and the idea is just switching that around and you kind of have to lie to your subconscious brain for a while. You have to, I always. Your left brain has to lie to your right brain so your right brain understands the real truth. So it's kind of a contradiction, but I mean because I do believe, christina, we are all born Pretty damn awesome.
Speaker 2:I mean, I look at my grandson is two and a half years old. That kid doesn't think there's any limitations on his life. He thinks nothing. I mean, he gets mad at things, yep, you know. Doesn't control his emotions, yep, but in his mind he's perfect in. The world revolves around him. He has no prejudices, no biases. He he's you know. He just thinks that I can do and accomplish anything he wants.
Speaker 2:And I believe we were born that way. And then, all of a sudden, over the course of time, people Put bullshit around us, they covered us up with this excess bullshit and we also did the same things to ourselves. And pretty soon and in adulthood, we are unrecognizable and we carry. I say you were born with a true peak, a identity I call the TPI. And all of a sudden, when you're an adult, now, you have a fake ID and you live that fake ID and you, it's whatever the fake ID says. You live it. You gotta go back to getting all rid of all the excess garbage around. You gotta whittle that away to get back to your true self, and that's this is one vision. Boards are a great way to do that. The TPI exercise that, the affirmations if it's done properly, it's a probably the most powerful way to do it. So I love it, man. Okay, so you know, as you're continuing on, what's your next vacation?
Speaker 3:Oh man, I think I'm leaving in a couple weeks for a curacao.
Speaker 2:This case of tell the audience how you travel, sometimes with somebody, sometimes alone.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So, like I said, I didn't have a passport until 2018. I had. I had technically, I guess, been out of the country because I went on a cruise and I go to Canada, but that was it. I never had a lot of experience traveling, but I just kind of got this little bug. And how it started was my one girlfriend at the time was like hey. So I got invited to go to Iceland and I was wondering if you want to go with because I don't really know the other girls that well and they said it was fine if I had a fifth person go. I was like I was like why the fuck what? I want to go to Iceland. I live in Michigan and I like I was like I don't know and she goes. Well, it's like 500 bucks for the trip and I was like, yeah, okay, I can do that. I think that's fine.
Speaker 2:That's affordable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I got my passport, went to Iceland and, when I tell you, I fell in love with everything about this country. Like I sat there with my head on a swivel the whole time. I loved the people, I loved the food and the drink and the culture, and like the landscape, and it was just something so different that I have ever seen. It was like it was like some new synapses were formed in my brain and I was like, oh my god, I love this, I love this newness and this exploration. And so after that, I, a couple friends, decided that they wanted to group trip to the Dominican the next year, and so I got in this habit of visiting one new country every single year. And so now it's on my goal, as I have to visit one new country and one new place in the US every single year, and I've done it for the last six.
Speaker 2:So amazing.
Speaker 3:Sometimes I go with friends and sometimes I mean I've been, I've been predominantly single for most of my adult life. At this point and I kind of came to the realization that if I didn't go, if I kept waiting for somebody to go with me, I was never going to go. So I just started, I started out small. I did like a hiking trip in Tennessee by myself and if you know anything about me, I can make friends with a pickle, like I meet friends everywhere that I go. And I went and I ran these two guys in the parking lot After the Rangers said hey, they're hiking the same trail. You are, why don't you see if you can walk with them? And I ended up jumping in their truck and we hiked about together that day.
Speaker 2:But I don't encourage people to jump in strangers.
Speaker 3:But it just, it was like little things. So I did this little trip to Tennessee. I like driving down there by myself was a huge thing at that time, and then it became OK well, maybe I can. I went to Utah by myself. I did that entire hiking trip alone, made some friends along the way, and then a month later I did my first international trip. I went to Costa Rica alone. And but if I, if I waited for people to go with me, I wouldn't have gone to half of these places and I wouldn't experience half of things that I experienced. I don't fear going out to dinner by myself, and I know that a lot of people are even uncomfortable with that, but I didn't. I'm at the point where I really don't want to miss out on any of life's experiences just because I don't have somebody to share those with right now. I hope that, like eventually I do, but why would I wait? In the meantime, everybody else worries about me traveling alone a lot more than I do.
Speaker 2:Imagine I'm sure your folks do.
Speaker 3:I just had one of my coworkers come up to me earlier. They just like. So who are you going to curse out with? And I was like nobody. We are just like are you sure that's okay? And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's fine. Also, I know I don't get international cell phone service, so if I'm not hooked up to Wi-Fi when I leave, I don't talk to anybody.
Speaker 2:Is that a benefit for you?
Speaker 3:I love it, I don't get to, I don't get to detach. Very often it takes a lot for me to say like I said, say no and just like the, I love being by myself to an extent, but to actually get to that point. We're so connected on so many different levels to people these days that when I'm just sitting on a beach and there's no Wi-Fi around me, my phone's not going off and I don't have to think or worry or feel anything. I just get to enjoy the sunshine on my skin. I'm like, okay, this is great, life is good.
Speaker 2:That's when you can journal as well too. When you're, I think, when I'm alone, I journal the best.
Speaker 3:Oh, I wrote like a whole freaking book in Costa Rica.
Speaker 2:You know it's so interesting because I'm at the point now where I'm not an introvert fully, but I'm a lot more introverted than extroverted and that surprises so many people. But I'm an I guess I'm titled an ambivert, which is more introverted, but you can be extroverted when you need to be.
Speaker 3:I don't like I think the same person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we talked about this last week and I think there's a lot of. I mean, I get around a group of people and I'm I can flourish for about four or five hours and then I'm done like I'm so burnt out once my, once, my social meter is done.
Speaker 3:I am like good night.
Speaker 2:Yep, me too it's like I'm off, I sneak out, I do the call to Irish goodbye or something.
Speaker 3:Good bye.
Speaker 2:They always tell me I ghost, I get over stimulated very easily. But when I'm alone which I'm alone a lot at my house I find myself. I'm working now on going from being alone to being. I'm working on being okay, I'm being alone but not being lonely. And I'm working on that because I find when I do go home and I try, I'm gone two weeks out of the month, usually away from my home. I go home for a couple nights. I shoot right up to my daughter's house so I can see my son, my, my son lives in the same town, in market Michigan. He was a college. My daughter, my son along my grandson, live there. I go up there for four or five nights and I and then I go home for a couple more days. I do that a couple times and I travel again. I take off again for two weeks. So I'm not alone. I'm alone during the day almost every day because of my job. But you know I don't have a big staff of people and I do everything alone. But I will find myself for quite a while.
Speaker 2:The last winter, the winter of twenty two, twenty three, I felt lonely a lot. It was a pretty dark winter for me and I started working on. Okay, and somebody this is a good one of my friends, who now lives in Portland again, she was living in Vegas at the time she texted me one Sunday, excited we had talked about those over the phone and and she said, on a Sunday morning she said what are you going to do to practice self love this week? Because she knows I was going through a dark time and it hit me. I said, okay, I put a list of things down, kristina, that I can do this week to practice self love, which is a amount of exercise, how much protein I put in my body, how much reading I do, how much meditation I do, how much I how my workout, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:I like twelve things. And I said I'm going to get these twelve things done this week. I'm going to do them all. And it was kind of like your mini version of the of seventy five hard. And I said this worked and I started doing that and I started make practicing these more acts of self love, taking care of myself. I found myself being much more comfortable being alone, because it wasn't just a quiet house, and now that my dog died two months ago, the house is even quieter. There's nobody there when I'm home. But I find if I stick to a regiment of doing things that that fill my cup, I'm getting. I'm every day I'm becoming more comfortable being alone without feeling lonely. I still feel lonely, but I it's still a lot less. The power is not there, that it doesn't have the power over me, that it had a year, but year, year and a half ago or so.
Speaker 3:So I think, I think I think that loneliness only gives it as much power as you let it hundred percent.
Speaker 3:Like I, like I still I would say like on a daily basis, that like throughout the day, there are times that I feel lonely, even when I'm surrounded by people, but, like, I definitely still have moments every day where I'm I don't want to say sad, but I'm definitely feeling alone, yeah, and but they're very fleeting at this point and I'm not unhappy. Well, I'm, I think, an acceptance of the loneliness. I think it's just a part of life.
Speaker 2:I think you're right, and then I think anybody who has the power to travel especially well anywhere, nationally or internationally alone, that you, I think you. You become so much closer with yourself when you do that.
Speaker 3:I think you find it like I found me in traveling. I think they like exposing myself to all these different cultures and people and understanding that the world is not it's not as scary as it's made out to be. I think that was the most eye-opening experience of my life was being like man I really can go out here and, no, I'm not going to get kidnapped around every corner. I think that there's so much fear mongering in just living anymore. I hate it.
Speaker 3:I get questioned so much with almost everything that I do, whether it's traveling or when I bought my rental house, people literally called me stupid and said what do you know about being a landlord and fixing up a rental property? I go nothing. I was like I don't know anything about it, but I asked people that do and I watched a lot of YouTube and I figured it out. There is just nothing that can't be fixed or solved when you have all these people that are fear mongering everything in life and you limit yourself to your exposures, like we talked about. Coming from a small town, the exposures is what opens your eyes to all kinds of different opportunity and people and the different ways that people love and express themselves. I'm so grateful that I got to see that at the age that I did. I wish I would have done that younger, but God it's just-.
Speaker 2:What sells? What sells? Fear and sex that sells. That's what the media exposes us to. The corporate media exposes us. So many people buy into it.
Speaker 2:One of the things I've learned in doing this show for the past two years or so is that I'm surprised pleasantly surprised and I shouldn't be surprised, but I have been by how many amazing people there are around the world that I've gotten to meet on this show, even pre-interviews I do. Some shows I haven't aired yet. I've done maybe 85 interviews. I don't know 90, I don't know what it is, but of where I've had somebody on the show I can honestly say there are two people I got off the phone saying I don't like that person. I just don't like them. But all the other ones I'm like. What A lot of people, I would say. Half I had never met before, other half that were as a connection. Some were really close friends of mine. I even had my son on it, so obviously some I already knew were great people. But I'm like I love that person.
Speaker 2:Now that I've had somebody on the show, I'm texting them back and forth, I communicate with them. When I travel I'll visit them and see them go to lunch, coffee, whatever. I'm like we're surrounded by amazing people and the small faction of people are assholes. It's a very small number across the entire world, but those people get exposure. So we think that's the world. The world is so evil, the world is dangerous, the world is so divisive and this is the darkest time on our planet. No, it's not really. It's the safest time we've ever lived as human beings on this planet right now, and people are being exposed to the wrong things and they're believing this bullshit. And you are out there testing it and saying that's not true. There's a lot of amazing people. You got into a truck with two strange dudes and hiked a mountain. I wouldn't recommend it to an audience, but not all of you know.
Speaker 3:You might want to vet people a little bit better, but the point is I mean the park rangers said they looked friendly so I went with it.
Speaker 2:I think Dahmer looked friendly. Probably Ted Bundy looked friendly. No, but that's even my mindset, is thinking that. But if you did that 100 times you're probably not going to run into any problems. You might run into one problem, but it's a small percentage. But I guess sometimes we have to err on the side of caution in certain situations.
Speaker 3:but at the same time, we can't liberalize. I'm not trying to say that there's never been bad things that have happened or situations where I've been a little bit frightened. There was one when I landed in Vegas. I went out to dinner and this guy was just exceptionally drunk and wanted to sit with me, and I did not want him to sit with me, so a little bit of security had to get involved. But, like I said, there's nothing that's unmanageable for the most part, like, yes, there are terrible things that happen, but that is not as common of occurrence in life as you're made to believe.
Speaker 2:And that's the situation. When you tell somebody that story, they would think well see, there's dangerous people. Yeah, there was a restaurant of 150 people. One person was potentially dangerous. What about the 149 who weren't?
Speaker 3:And you want to know the most amazing thing about that situation. There was a couple sitting at the table next to me who realized that something was wrong. They had finished their dinner and just sat there for like a half an hour 35 minutes to make sure that I was okay.
Speaker 2:That's the real rule.
Speaker 3:I did not know them, I had never, like, I didn't even make eye contact with them, like they just recognized that something was like off in this situation and they were not leaving until I was okay and I had never met them before. So, yes, this strange person approached me and it was a very uncomfortable situation and, yes, it worked itself out. But there was also two strangers sitting next to me that were like looking over me as well, so there was double the amount of good people to the one bad.
Speaker 2:Right and I was like, well, hey, we haven't talked yet, we haven't shared the audience with the time that you and Krista took me on vacation with you.
Speaker 3:We drove down to Nashville.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know where I was Figured to take where we went.
Speaker 3:I didn't know where you guys were, we went to Nashville. Yes, that was. That was one of my favorite trips to Nashville, actually.
Speaker 2:I think that's when I first was introduced to you, right around that period.
Speaker 3:I believe so too. That was. That was probably around the 2016 period.
Speaker 2:So, everybody, so they she went was friends with a client of mine at the time, krista, and they went on a vacation and I was coaching Christian. I think Christina might have been connected on LinkedIn or on the social media at the time, I'm not sure and they went on vacation to Nashville and they took was it a cardboard cutout, or was it a paper stick figure or something, or was a piece of paper with a stick figure drawn on it?
Speaker 3:I think she printed this thing and it was like kind of a caricature of your head and we just supposedly going with us.
Speaker 2:And so they all, throughout the weekend I was, I'd be with, I was with some friends and stuff, and they would send me a picture here's where you are now and a picture of the two of them standing next to this character of my bald head, and I'm like it was actually a fun.
Speaker 3:We went karaoke, we went, we went. Where'd also we go? I remember we went to a really amazing restaurant called Monels. That's one of my favorites in Nashville. Pretty sure we went to Centennial Park or Bicentennial Park I can't remember which one is down there, but there's a replica of the Parthenon, so you went there.
Speaker 2:Gosh, I was. I had a great time. I didn't spend a penny.
Speaker 3:I know you're so lucky.
Speaker 2:No jet lag, I was Okay. So another question for you if I was to shoot down to your town today and we were going to jump in my time machine and we're going to go back to you, pick a time frame of your life, I don't care what age, and you're going to sit down with yourself on a park bench and you're going to give yourself, your younger version of yourself, some words of wisdom, recipe for success. What do you say?
Speaker 3:I can think of so many, but I think that the best advice that I could personally like, if I was talking strictly to myself, I would say like you're not responsible, like you're better, you're not at fault for anyone else's poor behavior or their emotional response. I took so much personally with how people reacted to things that I said or did or like I overthought, did I hurt their feelings, did things like that. So for me that would have been a life changer if I recognize that and could accept that a lot earlier.
Speaker 2:I want to repeat that for the listener out there, because I think a lot of us do carry this unnecessary burden of guilt for something that we have, something we've done that was unintentional perhaps, or wasn't meant to hurt anybody it was designed to. Sometimes, most of the time, we're doing something to better our own lives or trying to protect ourselves or someone else, and somebody else gets hurt by that and that manipulation kicks in. I think most of us are good people with good, kind hearts and I think we oftentimes will carry that burden and then we question the next time whether we should do the honorable thing again because we're afraid we're going to hurt somebody. Get rid of that damn burden. I think that's perfect advice. None of us are at fault for someone else's emotional response or their poor behavior. That's a perfect piece of advice.
Speaker 3:It took me a long time to realize that people, like I said earlier, only see life through whatever lens of perception they're wearing at that time. So even me coming in with the best of intentions and saying something or doing something that I mean with so much good in my heart, I can't control how they perceive that and I can only do the best that I can, and that needs to be good enough. But I always put the burden of guilt on myself for how they reacted and that wasn't fair up for me.
Speaker 2:No, because I think when you do that, the next time you try to do something good for yourself or whatever the situation is, you second guess it again because somebody might be hurt by that, and usually the people that get hurt by things that you're doing to improve yourself or help someone else or whatever. If it's an honorable act that you're committing and somebody's hurt by that, that's a person I really don't know. I question whether I want that person in my life.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, or I just I question like did they have a bad day now?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Maybe today wasn't the time, or maybe tomorrow would have been the time, but maybe they'll come around, and if they don't, then they don't, and that sucks for them, because I'm pretty cool.
Speaker 2:There would be a pretty good title for today's two. I'm pretty cool.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty cool.
Speaker 2:You are pretty cool yeah.
Speaker 3:I think that if it was me giving advice to myself, like that would probably be the one that hits home the most. But we kind of talked earlier about like holding ourselves back, like I would tell people in general, like like try as much as you can to. Like take risks at an earlier age, like to not fear the unknown or see failure as like final, like I always saw failure as like the end. And so like take risks, travel, don't hold yourself back. And like worrying ruins everything before you can even experience it. So, and half the things you worry about never come to fruition, so just jump on the damn plane.
Speaker 2:Hey, I like that one. So that was my final question was is there any question that I didn't ask that you wish I would have? Is there any final message you want to leave to the audience? And I think you just did it.
Speaker 3:Well, good, and I think I think some hours with you going over like life lessons and growth experiences and things that have changed me, but, like I think you just you have to throw yourself out there and you have to get uncomfortable and you can't do that with your guard up either. So go through life, experience it and be vulnerable in your experiences.
Speaker 2:Well, I like that. I'm trying to write this down right now Jump on the damn plane. I mean because that can be literal or figurative.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. Some people don't really want to take it how you like it, with whatever lens of perception you have on today.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, we've. You know, we've gone already, my friend. One hour and 25 minutes almost.
Speaker 3:It doesn't feel like. No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at the clock and I'm looking at my timer on the recorder here, but anything else you want to say I want to. We're going to do this again this year after another travel or two of yours, and see what your next journey is. But anything you want to leave with.
Speaker 3:I can't really think of anything. I think we covered everything. I just enjoyed my time with you so much. I'm glad that we, I'm glad that we reconnected, because it's been a hot minute, since you and I have actually talked, and I love developing. Like you know, I'm a huge person, like a deep person with like connections and emotions and I think that, like, the richness of your life is very dependent on your relationships and I'm glad that we got connected on this one again.
Speaker 2:Oh, I no doubt about that. I mean, I think you know I what I, what I've told 90% of my guests is OK. Now that we've done this show, I want to make sure we stay in contact, and you're definitely one of those people. I'm going to make sure I stay in contact with you.
Speaker 3:And I'll commit to doing the same.
Speaker 2:OK good, I mean I think you know one of the things that saved my ass over dark times in the last that that year, the 23, 22, 23 winter was meeting new people like this and building a much, much bigger. I have a. I have a small, very good group of very close friends and then I had a lot of a. I had a lot of acquaintances, but now I don't really have a lot of acquaintances anymore. I have a very small, close group of very good friends and I got this second tier that's really close to that first tier who are just amazing people that some I never see. I just they're out there, have become podcast guests or some are clients, of course, but they they have taken away from the acquaintances because I don't have time for all that. I have my really core group of friends, small group. Then I have this next layer of people like you that in some of those have now made it into my core group. But I don't really want a lot of acquaintances.
Speaker 2:I like to be able to reach out to somebody through a phone call or text who thinks a lot like I do, who can challenge the hell out of me, who can inspire me and like this, like this conversation today has so, so I'm going to leave it with this is, I think the messages I got today. If I had to sum up would be own your own bullshit and jump on the plane. I think those are two great ways to wrap up today. So, my friend, I want to please stay on the phone after we wrap up the recording here, the show, so I can talk a few minutes before you jump on back to work. Thank you, I can't. I'm glad that I reached out to you week or two ago and that we got to connect on the phone and connect obviously today for today's episode, but thank you so much for being such an amazing guest and really one of the most inspiring ones I've had on the bamboo lab podcast.
Speaker 3:I appreciate that so much. I think I'm the more grateful one here, though, so this has been a great opportunity for me, and I just love how, how easy the conversation is between you and I you make, and that's what I love about listening to your podcast to you, as it feels like a conversation, so I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:I try to tell everybody. Some people are very nervous before we, most people are. They say I'm really nervous and I say I tell everybody at the end of this, when we're talking afterward, you're going to say that was so much fun and it was so easy. And the last week's episode I made a commitment that you're going to say that and at the end she said that was so much easier than I thought. I felt that easily. So that's the thing. You know I'm not. We're not trying to press stuff out of people. We're not trying to move an agenda. I don't have any motive. I just want to talk to people who are cool. So, and you're one of those people, so thank you, my friend, I'm flattered.
Speaker 2:Have fun on your trip to Carousel and come back with some good stories.
Speaker 3:Oh, you better believe it, all right.
Speaker 2:Hey everyone, thank you again for tuning into this week's episode of the bamboo lab podcast. I'm really excited that you're on here. I'm going to please ask you to do a couple of things, though. If you enjoyed today's episode, please smash that like button, give us a rating and a review and I think this is a one episode. I would share this with three to five people. Just email it, text it, tell somebody hey, jump on this podcast and listen to this episode. There were so many words of wisdom in the hour and a half we spent with Christina that you know people out there who you love and care for, who could use even just take one of the lessons. It could make a dramatic change in their lives. I love you all, I appreciate you all, and I'm going to ask you to do three things. Please get out there today and strive to give and be your best person. Please show love and respect to others and to yourself, and, by all means, live intentionally and live consciously. Take care everyone.