"You Were Supposed To Go Through This!" with the Limitless Mischelle Miller

What if your body has been listening to your beliefs all along? We sit down with Mischelle Miller of Neuro-Based Training to unpack how the brain, heart, and subconscious shape pain, performance, and healing—and why intention beats willpower when the stakes are high.

Mischelle’s journey from traditional training to muscle testing began with one question: how do we help people beyond sets and reps? She explains muscle testing as a way to “ask the brain,” revealing how words, identity, and hidden stressors can weaken or strengthen the system in real time. From sciatica resolved remotely to a client who lost pain the moment she stopped bracing for it, Mischelle’s stories show how expectation becomes physiology. We dig into practical mindset shifts—“I am healing now” versus “I hope it heals”—and how that single change influences food choices, stress, and consistency.

Faith and heart coherence give her method its edge. Whether you name it God, Source, or the universe, asking for help and thinking from the heart creates a safer nervous system and steadier results. We explore the HeartMath perspective, gratitude habits that tame the brain’s negativity bias, and why media diets matter for recovery. Mischelle’s rapid femur healing becomes a case study in alignment: out of fight-or-flight, disciplined rehab, clean inputs, and a relentless belief in a faster timeline. Add smarter communication—enter every conversation with intent to respect and uplift—and your environment starts working for you, not against you.

You’ll walk away with tools you can use today: a one-minute hand-on-heart reset, clear mantras that program focus, and a fresh lens on pain that starts at the source—the brain. If you’re ready to turn setbacks into signals and train a body that follows a decisive mind, this conversation will change how you lift, move, and live. If it resonates, subscribe, rate, and share this episode with someone who needs a nudge toward healing. What belief will you rewrite today?

Transcript

Welcome And Why Michelle

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello and welcome to the Bamboo Lab Podcast with your host, Peak Performance Coach Brian Bosley. Are you stuck on the hamster wheel of life, spinning and spinning, but not really moving forward? Are you ready to jump off and soar? Are you finally ready to sculpt your life? If so, you've landed in the right place. This podcast is created and broadcast just for you. All of you strivers, thrivers, and survivors out there. If you'd like to learn more about Brian and the Bamboo Lab, feel free to reach out to explore your true peak level at www.bamboolab3.com.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Welcome everyone to this week's episode of the Bamboo Lab Podcast. I'm your host, Brian. And I think I don't know if I've mentioned this in the past, but I know a lot of my friends and clients know that I've been looking for someone to bring on who kind of exemplifies how a person can take care of their body and their mind. And I reached out to a few people. That really wasn't what I was looking for. But lo and behold, I meet this Michelle Miller. Met on Facebook, uh, social media, started following Neurobase Training, her Instagram site, and we had a few conversations on the phone, and I thought this is exactly what I was looking for. So without further ado, my new friend Michelle, welcome to the Bamboo Lab Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Thank you. Thanks for having me. You're welcome.

Michelle’s Path And Early Methods

SPEAKER_01 1:28

I'm excited to share some interesting information. Well, you have a really interesting perspective, and that's what most impressed me about you. And now that I've been watching your videos on Instagram, I just see this. There's a different vibe around you because so much of your taking care of the body also has to do with how we take care of our minds. And I think that's such a powerful connection between for people that a lot of people miss. So I've gotten to know you pretty well over the last few weeks, but can you share with us, tell the audience a little bit about yourself?

Muscle Testing And The Subconscious

SPEAKER_02 1:57

So I'm a personal trainer in Lacrosse, Wisconsin. Um, I am a mom of five kids. Um so um when they were younger, I decided to run a uh childcare out of my home, so I stayed home with them. Well, um, about 10 years ago, I decided to become a personal trainer, but I wanted to set myself apart from different trainers, but not just that, but how could I help people more? Right? Because I would just do string training with them, but then they come to me with injuries. And I was like, gosh, how can I help that? So I started with um um just trying to find different things. There's one thing I started, which I maybe many people RPR reflexive performance reset. Um Kel Deeds from the Cities and another guy put it together, but it's basically breaking up fascia in certain spots and you increase your range of motion. Um, and you can do an assessment for and after and it, wow, you'd be surprised how your diaphragm is connected to your hamstrings. You scrub your sternum and boom, your hamstrings are more flexible. So things like that are really neat, but it still didn't get me to the point of, oh, I wanted to help people with more injuries. So then, and I'll continue more on what I did, but I ended up finding something with muscle testing. And I think muscle testing is so great because it's not the muscle that we're actually testing, it's your subconscious is in charge of that muscle and and how we can figure out so many things about our body just through that. It's just so neat.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

See, that fascinates me. So I because I know every time we've talked, either through text or phone call, the word manifestation or manifesting comes up. And I know you believe so strongly in the way and how we use our minds, not just our bodies and how our mind, our mind, how they just interact so well together. And that's really what intrigued me most about you is that kind of dual set approach you take. So when you grew up, was there anything that inspired you to do this? When you grew up, was there somebody that kind of you followed, or was there something that happened in life that made you really kind of want to go deeper into this field?

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Uh yeah, I don't, I wouldn't say somebody inspired me. I'd say I I have a twin brother, I had another brother. I grew up in, you know, uh, I don't know, in a small town near Milwaukee. And it was it was a decent childhood, but I think I just always, uh I don't know, I didn't just looking for, I was always very kind and I was always looking for attention, not egotistically, but just oh, you know, kids, I want more attention, I want this. And I just think just helping people, and it just made me feel so good, even from a young age, to help people. And it just makes me so happy that if I can help someone get out of pain, and they're like, oh my gosh, I almost get more excited than they do that they're not in pain. And so I think that just drives me is just to genuinely help someone, and it's just so fun to to make a difference in someone's lives. Like I had a guy go in sciatica, and um, I've helped him online, and this is the best thing he ever said. I go, because I I could I can muscle test someone anywhere. You just tap into their energy, but we're all energy, right? So I would I would do my muscle testing, you know, virtually, and then I'd say, okay, sit down and stand up. Yeah, sciatica, sit down and stand up. And he sit down, he goes, that's the only way he could tell. He'd get up. He goes, Okay, Michelle, this is getting spooky. My pain is going away. I'm like, ah, and I he just um messaged me the other day about one of my posts. He goes, Ah, that's that's neat. And I said, How are you? He goes, That's really I'm great. He goes, and there's so many things I taught him. He goes, I think about my toe. There's some toe thing I'll tell you guys, but he goes, and my pain goes, Well, I don't really have I and he doesn't have sciatica, you know, and sciatica is something that some people may have their entire life.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Yeah. My mom has it, and she's my mom is 90, and she's had it now. She's been suffering with it for several years now. Um, and uh, she's tried, you know, a physical therapy, a physical therapist come into the house. She's gone to chiroprac or chiropractor over and over and over. And finally, I think I said, Mom, it doesn't seem to be helping you. She's done stretching and everything, and she just uh it's still it still bothers her, you know. So she has to walk with a cane, not all the time, but often enough, you know, because it bothers her that much.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Yeah, oh man. But but with this muscle testing, we're not. I always tell people we're not icing it, we're not heating it, we're not massaging it, we're going to the source, which is the brain. And when we can go to the source of something, if we can muscle test that, and that brain's telling me what's a fail, and then I can do my process through God, of course. I would say through God. Um, and but man, if we can go to the source and we can get rid of it, it's gone. I had an Achilles issue for a year and a half, and I got rid of it finally. I'm like, why'd you give me this, God? And figured it out, and I did muscle testing stuff, gone. People are like, no, it flares up, right? I go, never. I got rid of it. It's a hundred percent gone. But it should be. If we if you go through the brain, that's where it starts. Why don't we get rid of it there? It should never flare up.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Well, let's discuss this muscle testing, because I I'm still a little, I'm still a little, you know, that one confuses me. I really don't know what you mean by that. So can you share a little bit about what that is?

Manifestation, Belief, And Healing

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Yeah, it's so neat. So um, okay, example, I'll muscle test someone. You may have seen a reel on this, and I'll say, okay, just give me your baseline. So I'll have them put their arm out if their arm's not injured, you know, whatever. Generally I do the deltoid, the arm. So if it's injured, I can muscle test them. I know it's weird, but but so I'll say, okay, let me push on your arm. We've got a baseline, right? And then I say, say your name, say I am Brian, and then I'll push your arm down, and your arm will stay really hard, really out there, it won't go down. So then um I'll say, Say I am Michelle, and you'll say, I am Michelle, and your arm will go down. Well, why? Your brain knows you're not Michelle. And people go, no way. And I go, Yeah, because your brain knows you're it knows that you're not me. That's why I always go, oh, maybe we should tell the police to do this. You need someone who's good at like muscle testing, but um, you can tell when someone's lying or not, or what's a threat. Or another cool thing is I'll put um, what is it, saccharin or whatever fake sugar in an envelope, and I'll put um, like maybe what do you call it, pressed up carrots in another one. And I don't know what's in either one, right? And I'll have muscle test someone, and their arm will 100% of the time go down for the fault to fake sugar, saccharine or whatever, because that's a toxin to their body. Whereas carrots, you and you'll see people in the grocery store maybe you can muscle your test muscle test yourself by standing there. And if you just relax, you'll say, What's yes? Usually yes is when you lean forward, and no is when you lean back. And some people can hold like a vitamin, go, is this toxic for me? And boom, they can tell either way.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

Really? Now, how does that happen? Is that what is that? It's almost like a psychic belt.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

It's it is it's your uh yes, but it's it's your subconscious. If everybody could realize how powerful our brains are, uh you know, and I I think I told you I was, and this is off of it, like how I just you know, I used to have a cat allergy. Well, I had a kid that had to stay here for a few weeks with his cat. Well, I decided I go, I don't have a cat allergy. And because it kind of all of a sudden I kind of felt like something in my eyes, I don't have a cat allergy. That's silly. Never did I once have a reaction, but we choose that. You know, our brains are so powerful that we can really, and that's out of this book, and we'll talk more about it. Um, the map of consciousness explained, like, you know, what, and this is an interesting quote out of it, what is held in the mind tends to manifest, including unconscious beliefs. You know, the culprit was not the world, but the mind. All the negative programming and fearful conditioning was in the mind, and the body obeyed the mind. So it's in the symptoms, you know, that the you know, as each internal belief was locked and let go, all the negative bodily reactions, diseases, you know, um allergies went away. And that's what I did. All I did was, you know, I don't, but I believed it. And that's when I muscle test, I say kids, because I worked with high school and college football players. I tell them, okay, I had a kid that kept coming back to me. I go, your pain is gone. Why do you keep coming back? He goes, Michelle, it takes eight weeks to heal a hamstring. I go, but when I'm working with you, it's getting better, right? He goes, yeah. I go, now let me ask you this. When you go home, do you think, oh, I think it's coming back? I'm worried. He kind of looked at me, he goes, Yeah. I go, well, then you have nothing to lose. If it's getting better here, right? He goes, yes. I go, then your homework is to go home and think about football plays, think about school, think about your family. But don't think about that because it you know it's getting better. So we came back the next week and I go, how, how is uh, how's your hamstring? Favorite words ever. You were right. He goes, You were right, Michelle. I just kept it, it went away. It it it's at a one. And I said, Well, I and I always tell people, well, what do you eat? You know, I have many people it's at a one. Football players, they can't just eat fruits and vegetables all day, right?

SPEAKER_03 11:42

Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

We get inflammation, inflammation from food. So I guarantee you that kid is eating 5,000, 10,000 calories a day of probably not the healthiest food. So I always tell people, I had a woman who was at a one or a two, I go, go home and quit eating carbs. She goes at one away. But she has too many cravings that she's like, uh, you know, I'm still gonna eat it. But um, but that's huge too, you know. But it it goes away. It it does 100% because it's the brain. But that's life. If we keep doubting things and thinking bad things are happening, well, what do we manifest? That's energy, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

We kind of bring that in our worlds. Um, the mind is powerful.

Brain Over Body: Everyday Examples

SPEAKER_01 12:22

It really is. And I, you know, the more you the more you talk about this, I I was telling my son, this is probably four months ago, you know, I'm the way I train my body is really just I have incremental, I do I let myself grow incrementally every day. I add a second to a plank every day, or I, you know, I add a little just another hundred yards to my ruck every day, or whatever, and just a little increment. And that that I like that style. I really do. It works for me. But it also at times when I'm lifting weights, it limits me. And it was probably four months ago now. Um I was I was lifting in the garage, and I track, okay, for curls or press or whatever I'm doing. You know, here's what I did last week, so I'm gonna do a little more. And I have those adjustable dumbbells, you know, those uh I don't know what whoever makes them, whatever company. But you, you know, I think they go from seven and a half pounds to 55 pounds each dumbbell, and you just rotate this little knob. Um, and I had forgotten to move them the night before or the couple of the last workouts, so they were at about 20 pounds heavier than the potential work that the workout I was gonna do the next time, my first set. And I just had my mind I'm gonna do set this set of seven, and I did three or four sets of seven of this particular weight, and then when I got done, I went to record it and I said, Oh shit, I had a twenty, it wasn't 20 pounds, it might have been 10 or 15 pounds to each dumbbell, but I did it. And yeah, and I struggled with it, but I struggled just as much the two days prior with 10 or 15 pounds less on each dumbbell. But my mind thought it was that lower weight, and it was just it was just doing it because I didn't give it a doubt. I knew I could do six sets or six reps, you know, four sets of six or whatever. Um, and I'm like, that right there is the mind telling me what my capabilities are, not what my self-limitations were the two days before.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

You know, I love that story because I had a woman the other day, I just love that story. The power of the brain. She she was having pain, right? And but she would have she she would um roll over in bed and have pain. And then this is the greatest thing ever. She goes, Yeah, uh, I rolled over in bed today, and I went, I I rolled over so quick I couldn't even think about bracing. I didn't have any pain. And I go, that's the power of the brain because you're bracing, you're you're expecting pain, you know, and then you get it, but when you're not paying attention, wow, how did that pain? You know, like in your brain to do that, like it didn't know. I just love that.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Yeah, well one of the things that um I've learned in the last, well, it would be four years ago now, four years, well, four and a half years ago, my middle bonus son got married in Traverse City, Michigan. And we are we are at this uh uh it was in a vineyard in a winery or in a vineyard anyway. And um anyway, all the guys, their bylaws, their dad, you know, I'm their I'm their I'm their stepdad, and their dad, all the brothers and all their friends before the wedding, we were all at this kind of lodge, you know, playing football, drinking some beers, and I could tell my middle Evan was a little nervous. And so I went up to me, he goes, Yeah, I'm I'm scared shitless. You know, he was getting married that day to the love of his life. Now they're married with a baby and or a young little boy and another one coming. Um, but I said, Well, tell yourself this. Say these, say this to yourself. Say, I'm ready, I'm excited, and I'm grateful. And just keep saying that in your head all day long. Well, I just made that up on the spot. And then he came up to me after the wedding, and she came up to me after the wedding and said, I don't know what you did, but that changed everything. My I was ready, I was excited, and I was grateful. So now I teach that to clients when there's this presentation or a sales pitch or a big meeting or they're going for a uh you know an extra long run or whatever. So I started doing that before I go to bed. I tell myself, I'm ready for tomorrow, I'm excited for tomorrow, I'm grateful for tomorrow. And then when I wake up, as I'm crawling out of bed, that's the first thing I say out loud is I'm ready for today, I'm excited, and I'm grateful. And that little switch, that easy three or three statements, makes a massive difference in how I sleep the night when after I say it, and then how I get up in the morning and proceed to my day. And that's kind of that same thing. You're just telling yourself what you are rather than feeling what you are waiting rather than letting the world tell you what you are, and you know, I think we have to create that for ourselves. That's my thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Right. And you can't think negativity if you you know what you're kind of programming that brain. This is the thoughts I'm going to have. So you don't let anything else in. So it's going to eliminate any chance of anything else because you're just going to focus on that. There's no chance for anything else. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

It's simple, it really is. Yeah. So that's what muscle testing is. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

And it's simple, but it's not easy.

Faith, Intention, And Placebo Power

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Um, oh no, I think anything's that's funny you say that. I think anything in life is as hard or easy as we make it. What's our perception? Like, nah, I think anyone could do muscle testing. You just have to practice it and get better at it. Um, you know, I I think that I don't know. I don't through God. Like, I that's where I feel like everyone has to have the right intention. And um I read that in another book. Like, if we have this intention of I'm doing this to make money and this better work, and you're threatening, and you're, it's not gonna work. No, you know, you have to have, and I I'm not a placebo, but man, am I positive and I enjoy what I do? And and um that's a big part of any, any even job. You walk into any, say, a physical therapist or a doctor, and you walk in and you can tell they're grumpy or short with you or mad, or you know what I mean? I just don't do that because energy is big, and no matter what we do in life. And if if you if but we have that unconditional love too, and that genuineness and really want to help someone, that's 90% of it, you know. And um, I had a big post, it was now I won that 1.9 million views about me muscle testing on the sidelines. And man, people are mean, you know, and some, not all, there's always a few kind of stinkers. I just quit reading the comments and they're like, what are you doing? And and like, are you a placebo? And I said, Yeah, perhaps I am. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what I thought it was. And I'm like, no, but I think life is a placebo, you know. Um, I think if we feel like like, okay, so I threw my doctor, I went off of Adderall, I went off of uh depress antidepressant and caffeine and and throughout weeks, but the final week I threw in the caffeine and but I was in fight or flight. But I believed I needed that. I believed that was important to me, and I don't need it, you know, and I just think um our belief system creates our world.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Yeah, I bear with me, I'm just writing down what you just said because sometimes I find these nice little quotes that I like as potential titles.

SPEAKER_03 19:47

Uh-huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

AI always gives us suggestions for titles, but I a lot of times I don't choose what they they they usually come up with pretty pretty good ones, though. Um Hey, I gotta I have a question for you. I I see some of the stuff you do, um Where you're hanging, you know, from the bars and you're doing leg lifts and things like that. What do you think about hanging itself? Like I I got a chin-up bar um in my house that I just I hang every day from it. You know, I just let my body weight just kind of just linger there. Have you what have you heard or what do you think about that for for like my shoulder? It seems to help my shoulder a little. I mean, I just started doing it two weeks ago, but I well, I shouldn't say I've been doing it, but I've been doing it like on the trail. Uh run up to a tree limb, or if there's a jungle gym around, I'll do it. But I wasn't doing it every day. And it's also good for decompressing the the spine. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 20:35

You know what? I'm gonna always say this. I think if it feels great for your body, do it. You know, because something, someone might be too weak and it hurts. Yeah, some people it feels great. I I feel like it feels amazing, but I'm always all about go with your gut. Even, you know, like I I broke my leg and I was I healed bone fully healed in four months, people and a 57 years old. Like, why? Why not? Because I knew what I and I didn't have physical therapy, but I knew what worked for my body. All I had to do, the doctor said, you know, stay out of pain. You know, it's gonna be achy with me, with getting range of motion. I have full range of motion. But but listen to your body, and if it feels good, just do it, do it. Okay, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

A funny story when I I got a new ruck vest, maybe uh three months ago, four months ago, and it's a different style. And so the ruck vest, you know, it's a it's a weighted vest, and it goes in it. This one has two snaps in the front. Um, the other one only had one. So the first time I I was running with it on, then I ran up these chin-up bars or the it was it was on a course for like um, I don't know, what do you call those courses where you stop and you can do push-ups and sit-ups and put all that? I don't know. There's like 10 stations.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Yeah, like a fitness course. Yeah, like that.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

I don't ever do it, but I um I don't do the fitness course, I just run it. But I went up to the one thing and I was I was hanging. Well, I didn't think about I didn't really realize that because this ruckfest was different, it had an extra uh hookup, you know, like a clasp up front, it started choking me. Like and I was like, that's something that feels really weird, but I couldn't tell what it was. And I just let myself hang there. And pretty soon I started blacking out. And I'm like, I so I let go right away thinking I don't know what's going on. I realized it was choking off my it was choking me out. I mean, I was fine after that, but I thought, man, if somebody would just if it would have a few more seconds, I probably would have blacked right out, and somebody would have been running behind me and found this 58-year-old bald man with a heavy vest on his around his chest, laying there limpless underneath a monkey bar set. So that's why I decided to buy one for the house so that way I wouldn't have to have my ruck vest on. And I do have a house ruck vest that's only it doesn't only has one last. I can use that one when I'm in the when I hang from here, but anyway. Yeah, okay. So during this process uh that you've been when you've been doing this neural based training and you've been you know really devo or uh and kind of digesting all this material and testing and things, what's been your greatest learning that really surprised you?

Hanging, Listening To Your Body

SPEAKER_02 23:11

The greatest learning was actually just um I read part in this book about about how just asking God for help and every time I do it. And ever since then, man, there was not a hundred percent of the time I muscle test someone virtually, I fix them through God. And whenever I do muscle testing, I I've I I'm able to heal them, and that's through God, though. And when I and I'm not super religious, like I try to go to church every week. Um I'm I don't know, but but but boy, I know he's number one, and I know when I pray and I include him in my life, um, that that was the turning point, and not worrying about money, money, money. You know, and like my brother, my twin brother would be like, Well, you gotta get paid. And I go, I know that. Okay, one time this is gonna make me cry. Um, I was training some people outside, and this woman, wow, she had to be close to 80. She came to the class, it was a parking rod class, it was um a neat class. And afterwards, she's like, gosh, I've been having this pain in my cheek. She is like a high offset, it's been going on for a week. And I go, Can I just try this muscle testing with you? And I mean, I could I just met her strength. So you very lightly test. And um, oh, I just did a few things and I go, how does it feel? Oh, God bless her. She goes, Oh, I I actually I don't really feel it anymore. I literally cried and hugged her because you know what? I could keep trying to go, well, this is what I charge. Come to my office, or blah, blah, blah. I don't mind helping people and I'm not putting people at risk because you can't with muscle testing.

SPEAKER_03 24:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

You either your body knows or not, it's you're not gonna hurt someone. Um, but boy, just getting rid of pain, that was just so sweet and neat and what you know, things like that. Yeah. You know, like I would I would ideally, if somebody wants to hire me in some desert island and and just pay me with food and water, and uh I'll stay there and fix people all day for free.

Biggest Lesson: Ask For Help

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Well, you can tell when you're, you know, we've had a few comp phone conversations, and you can always tell that when the person is doing it for self-promotion or for somebody who's doing it because of its a passion for them and it's a purpose in their life. And it does, yeah, that definitely shines through with you. And what I find too, though, is I think a lot of times, I know for me, this is my anecdotal story. When I started doing what I did, I'm doing now a little over 29 years ago, I was doing it for money. Like I thought I, well, here's what I was doing because I thought I had a gift. I thought I was, I was arrogant, I was insecure, I was inexperienced. So I thought I had a I was the gift that they needed, and I charged them money for it. I that's migrated out of my system a lot in the last 29 years, uh, to the point now where over the last maybe 10 years, it's been mostly I just like to help people. I mean, there have been times in my life where I didn't want to do coaching sessions or go do a speech, or but I it then that's when it was. It was when I I'm doing it for money. And it wasn't, you know, I cared about my clients and I love what I've always loved what I do, but the money was a major aspect of it. And it's almost like when I stopped, when the money stopped being so important, I started liking my clients more. So that I'm actually excited when I talk to my clients. And I bet there's five or six of my clients that at the end of every call, we both say I love you to each other. That never happened until three years ago. It not maybe two years ago. Um, and I I can count right now five right off the top of my head that I can think of right now that every week we with um I love you. Which I to me that's that that makes now it's like I could do this job till I'm 90, you know. Um, I had a question for you, Michelle. And it oh, where was I gonna go? Oh, this is what it was. So I know you say through God. Now I know you know I don't know the religious makeup demographics of my of the listeners out there. So what if somebody is atheist or agnostic or some other religion? Can is there something they could say other or think other than through God if that doesn't make them feel comfortable?

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Yeah, I just think there's something out there more powerful than us. And yeah, so just something out there that's more powerful than us that we believe that is making the I don't know, it's making this world amazing. I it's the the book that um I'm reading too is points to that too. It's I I don't know, it's called The Course and Miracles, and it's oh yeah, you said um Jesus went through this woman and um Helen Chauffin, I think I'm saying her name right, but she's an atheist, she didn't believe in God, and I believe that's why um he went through her so people would go, because it was nothing about her. And she turned there her name is not on this text, what's this book whatsoever, because she didn't want it about her. But um it's yeah, because even if you don't believe about in God, there's something up there more powerful and amazing, yeah, but wants us to be happy. We put fear in us. God or whoever it is doesn't didn't create us thinking we should be fearful, we should be mad, we should be angry. That's that's human created. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Um well, what I tell some of my clients who are atheists is and we do like a uh we do a manifest or a manifestation, I guess, exercise for lack of a better word, um, something I call the true peak identity that most every client starts that. That's the process I start with almost every client. It's for each person to determine what they think the best version of themselves are is and the major roles they play in life, like father, son, you know, husband, uh CEO, whatever. And then we have them repeat certain things every day to themselves out loud. And some people talk about God, you know, some some people say, Well, Brian, I'm kind of a non-believer. I say, Well, do you believe in the universe? Yeah, do you believe the universe is powerful and creates all this? If that's what you believe, just say the universe or say sort. Use the term my source, you know, all things through my source or all things through the universe. If you don't, if you don't feel now, most people feel feel very comfortable saying God, but there are some people out there who I think when I when I teach some things and they because I think manifestation is a lot like praying. And I never believed in the power of prayer before ever. And I've never really talked about my religious beliefs on this the podcast, but um I've never I never believed in the power of prayer. It wasn't until I started real uh studying um uh neuroscience or manifestation. Um that's when I started realizing that that's what prayer is. Prayer is sending out this energy out there to your source, to your God, to the universe. And um nothing bad can come out of that. Only good can come out of that. Um, so that's it was actually through science, the study of certain sciences that made me believe in God and believe in prayer, which it was for so it was really odd where a lot of the people think science will turn you away from God. No, if you really study science, it'll turn you toward God almost every time.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Right, yeah.

Science, Prayer, And Perspective

SPEAKER_01 30:29

And I have a really good friend um who is the head of the cancer, was head of cancer research at University of Michigan, hardcore scientist. I mean, talking diehard scientist. And I asked her one day, because she it was faith-based, and I said, well, and this is when I was agnostic, or maybe I was still atheist at the time, I'm not sure, or identified as atheist. Um, I asked her, how do you reconcile that you're a top scientist at a major university and you believe in God? She said, Brian, it wasn't until I became a scientist that I believed in God. She said, Almost every scientist or research or lab um technician in my department is faith-based. And many of them were not before they got into came to the university or before they started starting the study of science and medicine. So I thought that was fantastic. That was kind of one of my subtle several turning points for me. Uh to look into science a little bit more as evidence for God.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

Yeah, like uh so there is if I can, if I can just quick read this quote today from and it's this, you guys, wow. Okay, this is uh a lesson in the um Course and Miracles. It says, I am not the victim of the world I see. How can I be the victim of a world that can be completely undone if I so choose? My chains are loosened, I can drop them off merely by desiring to do so. The prison door is open, I can leave it simply by walking out. Nothing holds me in this world. So only my wish to say keeps me a prisoner. It's amazing what our mind creates. You know, if we go, oh my gosh, this world is so full of of um violence and blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? Like we can we can choose in that. This is all this is Jesus' words through this woman. She scribed it.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

I gotta read that book. I know you if you pin, I I put it on my my cart for uh Amazon. I just haven't bought it yet.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

In one more, I've invented the world I see. I made up the prison in which I see myself. All I need uh all I need to do is recognize this, and I am free. I've deluded myself into believing it is possible to imprison the son of God. I was bitterly mistaken, mistaken by the belief, which I no longer want. We can decide, we can decide everything in our world. Yeah, what do you believe?

SPEAKER_01 32:45

I well, I think some of it, you know, I like what it said about the I can think of the world as evil or you know, blah, blah, blah. And the media has thrown so much at us, you know, obviously uh whatever bleeds, leads. Um, and um, that's why I try so hard to tell my clients don't watch the news. Fox, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NBC, all of them are just throwing garbage at us. And when we internalize that garbage as actual facts, we would think the world is a horrible place. We this we are living in the most accepting, tolerant, safe moment of world history. Now, there are pockets of bad things going on in the world, but overall, it's never been a better place or a better time to live ever. And that every study, you read anything by Stephen Pinker, you know, he he'll he goes into this in detail as he researches it. The world is a much better place and going in a better direction. But you know, I read this um thing, Michelle, a couple years ago. I uh the study was done, I think, nine years ago. I could be off a couple years at the University of California, Berkeley, and they they did a study on that for every one positive thing we notice in our world or in our lives or our during the day, we notice nine negative things. So when we notice these nine, you know, because because of our our we have this amygdala in our brain that's designed to detect fear, and we put ourselves in situations like in front of the TV or in front of YouTube, which that's my that's my guilty pleasure, where if you let your algorithms kick in, it's certain algorithms are going to show you the worst stuff of humanity. And then we notice that when you're out there driving, you don't notice the 57 cars that went by you uh politely and respectfully, you notice the one who tail tailgated you on the way to work. So there's your one one negative, but you didn't see all the 55 positive experiences. And one of the things that's helped me with that is a a process that I fought for years to do because I thought it was stupid, was just carrying a keeping a gratitude journal. And I've shared this with every many times. It was five, five to six days a week. The one of the first things I do in the morning in my hour-long routine is I write down five things that I'm grateful for at that moment. And a lot of times, like today, it was that I was at my daughter's house on Saturday. I was happy that my grandson Jack came over and sat next to me. That was one of my things, you know. I was happy that my son and his daughter and one of their friends came over on Saturday and I bought everybody Thai food. That was a happy thing for me. You know, it's they're almost all little things, they're not big things. I'm happy for the warm coffee I'm going to have in my hand this morning or the fire going or whatever. You know, and I have found by the last four years, I think I've been doing that consistently, I have noticed that I don't really see a lot of negative things anymore. I don't get in bad moods, even close to what I get. I'm more patient with people. I'm not patient with certain things. Like I'm not patient trying to set up a computer monitor or trying to, you know, get my new ring doorbell set up. Those things I'm never patient with, but I'm patient with people. And because you start noticing that there are so many more beautiful, good things out there if you train your mind to notice them, because they're there. You just didn't notice them. You just saw the one negative for every hundred beautiful things, and you turned it around and came home and thought there was only one beautiful thing and nine negative things. So that's and that's a lot what you do with your with your clients.

Gratitude, Media Diet, And Focus

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Well, I don't the way I look at life is I don't see anything as good or bad. I see it as as is. And what's our perception in life? There's always gonna be a silver lining. You know, you can I'm my jeep broke down one day and someone goes, How's your day? I go, it's a great day. You know what? That's that's a vehicle. It's not someone dying of cancer. Right. I'm grateful to have that wonderful vehicle. Did it inconvenience me? Yeah. But you know what? It for whatever reason, maybe it stopped me from having a car accident from where I was gonna drive. You know, like who knows? And or their train, the train will stop me. My girlfriend and I would we laugh. She goes, you know, that train stopping, you probably stopped you from getting in a car accident. You know, when I was late for work, and I went, you know what? They were okay with it. Maybe they weren't happy, but they still love me and they still want to train with me or whatever. But I always look at everything as it, it's it's a it's a lesson. You know, I broke my leg. Not once did I say, oh, why did I break my leg? I cried and cried and cried and cried and cried. And I think why I broke my leg was I had a lot of emotions to get rid of. And it taught me how to heal quickly, and maybe it taught me to help other people to heal quickly and and teach them what I learned. And um, it taught me to slow down and enjoy life more. Um, there's so many lessons in everything, and um, it is to what it is. And I think if we if the world could look at things like that, man, we'd have a really great world because nothing is bad, nothing is good, it just is. And but maybe some things are great and and some things aren't, but there's always um a lesson.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Well, it's our yeah, our perception is so powerful. Have you ever listened or not listened, but followed this uh um guy on Instagram who has he has a thing called Vibe Source, V-Y-B-E source? He's got millions of followers. He just puts one quote up a day. It's a lot about this, you know, kind of like you're things are good. And you know, you're just lean into it, lean into the flow of life. Don't try to fight the things that happen. You know, just a lot of really powerful, good, deep emotional and mental quotes. And I've followed him for years, but then I actually coincidentally end up in uh interviewing his father from a on a whole different topic. And he was telling me that his son's a pretty successful uh social media guy, but he has he does something. He travels this young man that travels the world and he writes as he's traveling. But I'm like, I follow that guy. It's but his stuff, it's my favorite like daily Instagram quote. And there's a bunch of them that I follow that I try to read every day, but vibe source is a really good one.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Yeah, ah, that's really so. Well, then there's that, what is it? There's another thing, let them, and you know, let them be them. I think my view of let them is, you know what? Well, you have this energy level, I have this energy level. And in if they don't meet your energy level, it's okay. It's not, it's not about you, and don't take it personal. And it and it would have worked out anyways. And in their energy level will meet someone that they adore and same with you. And if everyone could look at things and go, huh, that just wasn't gonna work out, we just we just didn't energetically, we didn't meet, you know, or my girlfriend would always say, you know, it didn't work with so go find less. You know, um tell them that if I'm too much, go find less. But you know what I mean? Like, and don't take it personal, and don't lower your energy level and don't diminish who you are because it's okay. Just let them.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

I think that's part that's I know Mel Robbins has that book, Gul Let Them. Um, I started reading it, but I didn't finish it. I found she could have written that book in like 10 pages and she just kept telling the same thing over and over. So I got the gest of it. She I like it. I I like that kind of that content. It reminds me a lot, you know, you and I have mentioned stoicism um, you know, in our conversations. It reminds me a lot of a little bit of stoicism. Just there are things that are gonna happen, and your perception, your re and your reaction to them is gonna make a big difference, it's gonna make all the difference. You know, I think we saw that. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Go ahead. No, you go with COVID.

Reframing Hardship And Healing Fast

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Yeah, I think we saw that with COVID. I think some people, you know, took COVID uh and locked themselves, and I'm not judging either way. I I know what uh how I handled it. I handled it with Like it was a like I'm gonna make we're gonna make my son, my son and I are gonna make this time into the best time of our life and we're gonna use it as an opportunity to become better people. And I felt like not that COVID was a good thing, but it was not a for us developmentally for both of us, it was a good thing. Like we came out of it better, stronger, where a lot of people came out weaker and and and just you know more haggard from it. Um, and it all became in how we went into it with that perception of how you're gonna handle this situation. What's your reaction to this? And God, that's powerful stuff. I just push people, it's it's pretty simple, but we just are not trained as such, and that's why it's so good that there are people like you around that can really get this message across to people. Um, I'm gonna okay, let me ask you this question because then this is the question I tell everybody you don't have to answer, but um if you have something you want to share, that'd be great. What is one of the more difficult things you've gone through in your life? And then how did you overcome it? Did you have a certain tool or technique or strategy you use to overcome it?

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Um, I don't know. I think well, breaking my leg, but also just um going through this divorce was not so much hard for me, but it was hard for my kids.

SPEAKER_03 41:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

And just um, how did I overcome that? Well, I cried a lot. And emotions are it's you know what we would, I think people would be surprised how much emotions they're energy and we're energy, right? And emotions do cause pain. And if we can get rid of that, many times people go, oh man, after I cried, I felt so much better. Well, you know what? It goes to the physicality part of your body. You can, I truly believe that's why I broke my leg. I had 30 years of not a great relationship and a marriage, and I truly believe that there is in repressing emotions. Don't repress emotions. Talk about them, think about them, forget it, get rid of them, then you're done. You don't have to do any more. Um, I believe that was so much stuck in me. I I just cried for hours and hours on end, you know, in with my kids, and I felt so bad for them. And um, I truly believe it's all connected. And if we can, there's many books. There's a book called The Emotion Code, and that is a really neat one about taking away emotions. And you'd be surprised things that I got rid of. I was like, who am I? You know, that and um and I think breaking my leg was like it was painful. It was I've never had an injury, and then I fell down my walking down a steep driveway, fell my leg went out at 90 degrees and fractured my femur, had a titanium mod and seven nails. And uh, but that was just determination, determination and just knowing, again, knowing like, okay, this is gonna be better. And at 10 weeks, I'm gonna walk in that doctor's office with doctor's office without crutches. And I did. And you can, and at 12 weeks, I went in because at 10 weeks, they're like, you can do whatever you want. So I biked up our bluff four days in a row. All of a sudden, I had a screw at the top of my leg holding my titanium add in. And it had been coming out, right? So I went in and I said, And I, you know, me and manifesting, like, I don't have pain. I'm like, I should just go in and sure enough, I go in and the doctor comes in after the x-rays. She goes, What do you think happened? I go, my screw's coming out. She goes, We're taking it out next Tuesday. It just wasn't meant to be. So she said, What we're gonna do is we're gonna go in and we're gonna take that screw out. And it was only the hanging by a thread. And um, she said, we're gonna check that bone, and if it's not stable, we'll put another screw in. They went in and it was 100% healed. And um, so afterwards I said, now do I have any limitations? And he said, Michelle, I tell any football player after they're healed at 12 weeks, which is you healed like a teenager. And I go, you know, I did research on that. And he goes, I just tell them you can do whatever you want. I go, no limitations. He goes, you can do whatever you want. You know, and then I re I kind of AI'd like, what is the power of someone healing so quickly? Being out of fight or flight, you know, you're not in constant threat. You have that see, so if you're not your body's not always threatened, you're gonna heal quicker, right? And in just doing my exercises every day, but believe me, I'm 57 years old. I went in at that 12-week visit, then after that, and I literally kneeled down on the ground, sat my butt to my heels. Then I stood up and the doctor went, First of all, no one can get up like that. You broke your leg. He goes, You and I said, How did I heal? This is another visit. I go, how did I heal compared to like a football player? He goes, You healed like an elite athlete. You healed as fast as you could possibly heal, you know. Um, but I was just, I knew it, not arrogantly, but through God, and I knew, why can't I? That's what people, when your doctor says you're gonna heal in in one year, Michelle, you're gonna be doing everything you did, not until then. And I said, No, I'm not. I'll do it at 12 weeks. But why does everybody think that they're just like every other person? We are individuals. We have a brain, we have a body, we can do what we manifest, right? Why can't we manifest to heal quicker?

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

And so I did.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's incredibly impressive. And I is so other I I know we're gonna steer people to neuro-based training. Um, your Instagram page, I want to get people over to that and then to follow start following you and just watching your videos. Um, just watch one a day. I mean, you got a lot of videos up there. Um Yeah, I really try to get stuff out there. Um, is what would you say are some like if I know you mentioned a few today? Are there if you said okay to the audience out there who says I want to learn more about this, I'm gonna follow Michelle on Instagram, maybe get in contact with her. But I also, is there any outside reading? Would you say there's a certain specific book that you would say for most people who are lay people in this on this topic could go to to get started?

SPEAKER_02 46:07

Oh, if I would say if you want to really work on muscle testing, you could read applied kinesiology. I mean, that's gonna teach you about muscle testing. But the biggest part of musc about everything I do too, like I said, is like having integrity, having been it, you know, that is big. You have to have the the I don't know if you have to have the unconditional love, but you have to have that passion. You have to care about people. Um another big thing is, and it's an old book, but hospitals still use it for medical, it's called the Heart Mass Solution. It's about the the how powerful your heart, the electromagnetic field of your heart is 5,000 times more is more powerful than your your brain. You know, they always said the brain runs your body, and before that, they figured out your heart does, but then uh the the brain, and your heart has a you know that its own neuronal system, neurons, and uh, I just think the power of the heart and unconditional love, that it is huge in in what I do.

Books, HeartMath, And Connection

SPEAKER_01 47:14

Um I would I I when you look at like anybody's mental or physical health, so much of it has to do with who we surround ourselves with. Are we are we in contact with people who love us? Are we giving love to other people? Are we experiencing love back? Are we around people who we love, understand, respect, and appreciate? I mean, that has such a mass, massive impact on longevity, quality of life, our mental health, our emotional health. So it makes sense. I remember when we talked back in uh December, you made a comment because I wrote it down the heart is bigger than the brain. And that stuck with me. Like um, because it's not just how we take care of our hearts physically, like you know, exercise, eating, right, things like that. But it's just it's also the the love we share and the experiences we have with people and the positive experiences. You know, I I have fought over the last few years, four or five years now to without with as little judgment as I my my feeble human brain can handle or can can give is without judgment or uh malice anyway, is to detoxify myself from certain people. You know, just completely distancing myself from people who throughout my life have been toxic. But you know, when you're kind of that boiled frog, you sometimes don't notice the toxicity of other people. And perhaps I was toxic to them too. Um, but there was a toxicity in the relationship, and just separating myself from that and now bringing in people into my world and existence that are just very nourishing. We are nourishing for each other, has made a major impact on my physical, emotional, and mental and and and professional uh health. Um, and and I know that's it's kind of what you're talking about is I'm I'm feeling more love, I'm experiencing more love, I'm giving more love, I'm feeling more love, not just from people, feeling it toward people and even people who are strangers to me. I just feel more empathy for others than I ever did in my life. And I think that has a lot to do with it. I mean, I I don't get sick often, think knock on wood, um, physically sick. It's been a couple, I think I was sick last year, two years ago in the Super Bowl, I think it was, but I had vertigo. But I don't get sick, physically sick. Um and I, of course, my grandson, my four-year-old, is sick today, and I feel so bad because he's he's he's like he never gets sick either, but he's sick, and I was with him on Saturday, so I'm uh knocking on a lot of wood today. But I didn't catch it. But um and I so I think that does matter. I think I can attribute my overall improvement in life over the past four, three, four years on just being surrounded by people who I have a general heartfelt connection with, you know, whether it's friends, family, clients, uh whoever it might be, um, has made a big difference.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

Right, yeah. Well, and you know what, we we attract we attract people on our energy level too. So if we're more positive and happy, well, and you know what, but genuine. Like kids, I teach at schools and I don't know, these kids just come, and I love kids, and I'm genuine and I'm firm, but oh, do I the one day I went out to recess and I've been at the school, and this kid came up to me and hugged me and followed me around. And I I don't remember his name. I don't remember meeting him. It's but but you know what? Kids and dogs don't lie that energy, that genuine, and what kind of genuine energy do we put out? That's what we ideally are going to attract in our world. Or I'll go somewhere and I'm gonna be me. I just experienced this the other day, and I was volunteering, and this is kind of this grumpy guy, and he was pretty much grumpy the whole time. And I was just me. And um, I think many times when people come in contact with my positivity and they're not happy, that they don't know why. They don't like me. They don't, they're threatened by my energy, they don't want to be happy, they want to complain, and and that's okay, they can complain. I'm not going to you go, oh yeah, that sucks because I don't do that, you know. But but uh we attract that too, though. What do we subconsciously put out? People feel it. They may not be able to tell you why, but man, they feel it.

Energy, Boundaries, And Who We Attract

SPEAKER_01 51:16

I 100%. It's funny, I think a lot of times people, when you're when you're positive and you know, I think whenever you're doing something good in life, whether you're you're succeeding in something, whether it's your positivity, financial, whatever, it doesn't matter. When people judge you based on that or they they feel uncomfortable around you, I don't think it's you that they're uncomfortable. I think a lot of times when we do things that are good, or uh, you know, my the the the the subtitle of this podcast is Ordinary People Doing Extraordinary Things. So when you're doing something extraordinary at that moment, a lot of times when people see you, they don't see you and judge you. I think they see a mirror and they question why they're not doing it. And sub, I think it's subconscious, but I think why can't I be that way? Why am I not doing that? Why am I failing? Um, when that person's super positive, why can't I feel that way right now? Or why don't I feel that way? I think it's a mirror and it reflects back to them what they're not at that moment exhibiting in their lives.

SPEAKER_02 52:12

Right. And I think some people enjoy um being crabby, like they enjoy complaining and they want someone to chive in and oh yeah, I know that sucks. You know, it's funny I'll go somewhere and people go, God, the weather just sucks. And I go, ah, but God, it makes everything, the trees look so gorgeous. I'm like, oh, my freaking plane was delayed again. And I go, but you know what? Probably saved your life because it was mechanical.

SPEAKER_03 52:40

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

Finally, they just walk away. I go out, I'm not gonna see negative. I don't see negative.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

So one of the things one of the things that pisses my clients off, or my not my clients, my friends off the most is when they're bitching about Michigan weather. And I'm like, you've lived here for 50, 60 years. You know this is coming every single winter. Either move or lay in your misery or make the best of it because it is. I mean, I went, it was cold. With wind chill, it's a negative 17 here today, and it was windy. And I didn't want to go, you know, ruck, snowshoe, ruck the trail this morning. But when I got out there, once I got my snowshoes on, I got my ruck vest on, I got in the woods, my of course my feet were instantly cold. Um, it was I just looked around and said, this is beautiful. There had been nobody on the trail yet. The the groomer hadn't even come in and rolled it yet. Um, it was just like you know, three or four more, or probably four or five inches of fresh snow on top of a groom trail, and just no tracks in front of me. And it was like that is gorgeous. And now, as I told you before we started recording, I got home, I took my second shower of the day, and I my second shower is always just to warm up because it's so I've I've been so cold coming out of the woods. It's the sun came out, so we got a little bit of blue sky. I mean, now that's people go, Oh, it is kind of pretty out there, but it's pretty when it's storming, man. We had another storm last night, schools are closed again today, but you wake up and you hear that wind, you look out and the snow is blowing. Now, granted, if you have to travel in that, it is not fun. It can be kind of it can be at least it's very challenging, and I'm always nervous when my loved ones are tra are are uh are uh traveling in this, but it's still gorgeous. It was beautiful. Everything looked clean outside, it's all fresh.

SPEAKER_02 54:20

Yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah. I was just overlining. Hey, um I gotta I like this.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

This is my favorite question. And it's this is the question. If I come down over to Wisconsin with my time machine today, and we jump in it, and you go back to any time you want, Michelle, when you were younger, what when you sat down on the park bench and talked to your younger self, what words of wisdom would you share?

SPEAKER_02 54:46

Don't overthink, just enjoy, don't overthink. Yeah, because so many times I've overthought things and and thought less on myself. And just be a good person and and I'll take care of everything.

SPEAKER_01 54:59

Be a good person. Isn't that one of those really simple, simple things? And you know, I I shared this with you on the phone, I think, a couple of weeks ago, that every year I do a mantra or a theme for the year. It's kind of like my bat signal, you know, and it's it just guides me through the year. And I typically change it well, keeping in mind my previous ones, I don't want to drop those either. But this year, and I then I always print it out, I always frame it on my desk. It's just be a good man. And I be a good man. And I was it takes me about three months every year to come up with next year's theme, and I always start off with some ideas, and then they start molding and they grow in my head, and they usually come to me while I'm in I'm doing something physical. And this it finally came. Yeah, it wasn't even anything about this. And one day it just said, be a good man, because that encompasses so many things, you know. Yeah, and they say when when you have a question, if you have a doubt, or a three or four options in life to or something to, you know, if you have three or four options on what to do at any given moment, which one is gonna honor my be a good man theme? Which ones are gonna dishonor it? It makes the makes the choices so much easier.

SPEAKER_02 56:03

Right, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

I think the overthinking thing is I think that's a big problem for so many people. Is and I I don't think I'm a class, I don't think I'm an overthinker. I I think I'm a person who gets very stimulated easily, over overstimulated. Um, and so I probably keep myself away from situations that cause me that kind of strife where I have to overthink. But um I know a lot of people, a lot of people I work with on a daily basis, a lot of people I love and care for, um, have that problem where they're just they overthink so much. And it can it can rob you of a lot of beautiful moments, you know, that we're in at that time. Like you said, be present.

SPEAKER_02 56:41

Yeah, just yeah, and go with your gut, man. Go with your gut. Don't ever ask someone. Yeah, don't ever ask someone for an opinion. If you think it isn't right, it's not. I tell people, if a mom will ask me something, I go, I what do you think? I go, I'm not saying a word. You go with your gut. You know your child the most, you know, like a mom child thing. Go, nope, you just go with your gut because man, if I would have done that my whole life, I wouldn't have broken my leg, but I was supposed to break my leg. You know, because I then I went, well, what if? And I never I don't do that. I just now I listen, you know, if somebody wanted to go walking the other day and I said, I'm I can't go. I just my gut is telling me no. And I'm not gonna say, What do you think? I'm not going. And they didn't care. They just, I just love it. I go with my gut.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

I I like what you just said though. I and you've said this three or four times is I was supposed to break my leg. And I want to just speak to that that person out there right now who's going through something, or maybe recently did go through something and it's still haunting them. Just that's a really good thing to a good phrase in your head is I was supposed to go through that. I'm supposed to be going through this. And and then from there, when you when you phrase it that way, rather than why am I going through this, why me? When you phrase it, I was supposed to go through this, then I think you automatically come up with learnings. Well, okay, if I'm supposed to go through this, what was I, why was I supposed to go through this? What am I supposed to get out of this? And I think that kind of it kind of leads to that that question. And then from there, you find the silver cloud, the lining in the cloud.

Communication, Kind Honesty, Timing

SPEAKER_02 58:14

Well, and I knew, I knew the whole time there was something. You're right. And I finally went, okay, God, I know you wanted me to go through this, right? And um, and then at at like 12 weeks when I went in and I was fully healed, that's when it went, that's why to me, it was like to teach me, to teach help others realize you can why can't you heal quick? You know, when I said somebody like an ACL, someone goes, No, it takes longer to heal a ligament. So I Googled that, you know, because I'm like, well, maybe I don't know. No, it probably takes a femur, maybe a little longer. But it doesn't matter because we can in our brain, ah, people just limit themselves to infinite possibilities in this world. If we could just realize how powerful our brains are. And you know what? We read these books about, and when people say this is hard, and my my twin brothers had a new job. He's like, these are hard things that I have to learn, and I don't even go there anymore. I'm like, nah, you just say they're hard. They don't have to be hard. It's a lesson. Quit saying they're hard. The more we say something's hard, then you know what? That subconscious doesn't know right from wrong. So it's gonna honor what you think and say, and it's gonna bring you hard stuff, you know. Or um, I I get sick. I I used to be allergic to bee stings. You know what? No, I went to Nashville a few years ago, I got stung by a bee, and I said, I'm not having a reaction. And I didn't, but I used to say, Oh my God, I have this big reaction, and it everything and oh my god, it gets all swollen. And it does because it honored that. Seriously, that was another thing I went through and I didn't have a reaction, like the little red spot, but usually my whole hand blows up. But I believed it. Right. Um, that brain is so powerful.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Incredible. I remember when when my for most of my life, not most, I would say maybe 15. Years, but just the last 15 years, maybe 20, I would, when I would get sick, I would just do everything I was gonna do, even if I was when I wasn't sick. So I'd get up and do the same routine, maybe with a little less energy, and I would just say, I'm just gonna, and what I found is I'd be I would be sick for a day and it would go away. No, but I and I'm not saying you shouldn't take care of yourself, lay in bed, and rest. I'm not saying, I'm just saying this is what worked for me. But if I would have laid in bed and said, Oh, I'm so sick, I feel awful, I need some, you know, I need some soups and this, the next day I would be just as sick. I would improve maybe a little bit. Now I've noticed there've been a couple times I can't fight through it. Um, you know, like maybe two years ago when I was sick, it was vertical, I couldn't fight through it. I just had to just kind of lie down, and and if I got up, I'd get dizzy and throw up. Um, but it was it was a day and I was over it. But mostly if I just say I'm just gonna go, I'm just gonna do what I normally would do, and it's gonna be a little harder, but the next day I feel almost 100% again. It and doesn't work every time, but it works most of the time, at least for me anecdotally, it did.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:00

Right. Well, yeah, and there you just have to I I don't know. I would uh just let it let it go. Just say, you know what? That's what I tell people, kids, whatever, let it go. Just go. When I broke my leg, I am gonna heal in 12 weeks, and I let it go. And I did everything that I would brought came to my brain. You know, I I trained for three hours a day. I was I working, I was working within a week, but I can still use my mouth and say, okay, do this, this, and this, you know, and train virtually. Oh, I, you know, but let it go. Like, okay, say, nope, I am I am feeling 100% and I will continue to feel better, but you got to believe it. And when you believe it and you don't think of anything, don't, oh, I hope. I always say, I don't hope, I don't wish, I intend. I know, and it's happening right now. When you manifest things, I continue to get better right now. If you tell that brain, um, I'm going to get better, then your brain goes, Yep, someday you will, because it's in the future. You say, I am getting better right now. And thank you. And just believe it and let it go. You don't have to keep manifesting, you don't have to say a mantra, nothing. You say it, you believe it, and you move on. It's that easy.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:16

It's that easy. Well, you before I ask the final question, um, uh, what do you think of? You've talked about energy, and we're all just energy, and really everything is energy, um, to some degree, I guess if not to 100%. But one of the things I share with my clients is if we are nothing but energy, which we are, and we are communicating, whether it's text, email, phone, face-to-face, zoom, whatever it is, we are simply exchanging energy back and forth. My words, my vo my expressions, you know, my tone of voice is all a form of energy. And when we communicate, we're if we're only exchanging energy. And another thing, energy is never neutral, it's either positive or negative. So one of the things I share in communication, because we talk about love, you know, you talk about the importance of love. And so I think love is oftentimes expressed through communication, um, obviously. And so I what I share with my clients who come across to their employees or their clients or their teammates or family as um uh like not caring or maybe grumpy or whatever, disrespectful. I tell them you're probably going into a conversation with people. You're probably assuming that conversation is neutral, which it can't be neutral because it's an exchange of energy, and energy is positive or negative.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:29

Therefore Why is it positive or negative?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:32

Because there's no such thing as neutral energy. Energy can never be neutralized. It's always positive or negative. It's like a light switch, it's on or off. There's never neutral energy.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:40

But I mean what do you mean by like positive emotions?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

Like I think that's just energy itself as a physical form in an exchange.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:47

Like the ions, you mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:49

Yeah. So in the if we're only exchanging energy, then because you think about every conversation you have, you walk away, that kind of you may you may not we might not notice it because it may be so subtle or subconscious, but the conversation is always we either perceive it as positive or negative. Um, even a hello, the tone of voice or the mood you were in when you received it, or the mood that you were the person is in when they said it, or whatever, your your your brain perceives it as positive or negative. It just does. Um, but it's subconscious a lot of times. And so if you go, what's that?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:25

Okay.

Don’t Overthink: Advice To Younger Self

SPEAKER_01 1:04:25

So, all right, so truth. I mean I'm just telling you through, I'm just talking about through communication. And so when you go in a conversation without the intent to make it positive, and positive doesn't mean just saying nice positive things. Sometimes positive is maybe when you have to give someone a reprimand, but you say it in a way that they believe they're worthy of being better and you believe in them, you know, so you're not going and just belittling them. So it doesn't always have to be a positive conversation to be be perceived as positive by the recipient. And I think that when we go into conversations with just this, I'm just talking to someone, or I'm simply just having a conversation, and you think of it as neutral or you go in per or you go in preparing it for it to be neutral, that that person is still going to perceive it a certain way. And it won't be neutral. It'll be most of the time, if you go in with a neutral intent, the other person perceives it as negative. And whether it is or not, it's just their perception of the negativity. So I what I try to tell my clients is walk into every communication and conversation with the desire to show love or understanding or respect or appreciation for very very basic human needs. And if you go into that with that, most of the time they're gonna walk away feeling good about the conversation and they're gonna feel that you care about them or that you, you know, you see them as a human versus you know just someone who's in the way from their bit of you know, in the way of the progress of a busy day. So I so when you're communicating with your your, you call them clients or patients. Clients. Clients. When you go in with the and go into a conversation with them, how do you like how do you do anything beforehand in preparation to when you go into that that that conversation to make sure that that person sees the go walks away just feeling a little bit better about them, having a little bit of more increase in sense of self-worth because of that conversation or session with you?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:20

Um, I mean, I'm always positive. And if I mean, I'm we're just exercising and talking about, I guess I'm just always positive, or I'm very I'm honest, but I'm never mean. I always everything comes from a good place with me. But sometimes I have to be like, you know, like uh yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:41

So sometimes you but sometimes I'm assuming you have to give them some pretty tough feedback if you really want to help them, or uh does that seem to help?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:49

Like you know No, I don't ever have to give them no, I don't give them tough feedback. I mean, I guess um I don't know because I feel like I don't give them tough feedback because they don't I've never really had someone that really needed it. And I find that it's very damaging to give them something that's so detrimental because first of all, they're not ready for it anyways, if it's that negative, and it's going to put them in a tailspin versus help them. And I find if I want to help someone, I have to be honest, but I have to be aware of where they are at mentally. And if I say something that's so you know, I I'm never saying negative or positive, that's so detrimental to where they're at, that's not gonna help them. And when they're mentally ready, then I'll say it. But I won't say it because it's just it's it's not good for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

Well, what if they're doing something that's that's harming their their their progress? Like they're doing something consistently just harming their progress, and you they don't really like they're not listening or they're not heeding your counsel.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:00

They know what they're doing, they just don't want us to change. You know, they know, you know, and and so they know what they're doing. So I don't have to tell them, you know, they know and they'll tell me. They go, I know I'm supposed to be doing this, but I'm not. And I go, okay, so you, you know, I don't have to say, so you understand this is gonna stop. They do, you know, so I don't have to tell them. They already know that they are messing up their, you know, but but they're okay. It's a process for them. They know that not everyone is like perhaps super driven and wants it right now. And you know, and and that's okay. Their priority maybe is their children or their grandchildren or their career. Yeah. And this is just to kind of stay healthy.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:42

Just kind of, yeah, keep being able to continue to move forward in life.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

Not be a superstar or yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Simple Practice: Hand On Heart

SPEAKER_01 1:08:49

Huh. That's interesting. That's so with my clients, we I kind of tell clients if you have one in a simple format, I tell people, I'm I'm gonna be like a teacher, I'm gonna be like a motivator, I'm gonna be a thumb breaker. And it's gonna depend on what you want or what you need. And what I find, I said the the I don't like to be the thumb breaker. I don't want to have to help you hold yourself accountable. I don't want to have those deep, difficult conversations. But do you want me to if the time comes? And I and they out, you know, they all say yes, of course, but then I can kind of sense down the road the ones that really love it. They thrive on, you know, knowing that I'll I'll kind of push them right back on track if they get off. And of course, it's not harming, like I'm not, it's not belittling them. It's it's just very loving. Uh never used to be. It used to be used to be hard. There was a time, Michelle, when I was a district manager, or I was a, I don't even know where I was with the company out with the corporate in the corporate world. And I would do every Friday, I would do 10 one-on-ones with my team. I think I had 40 people, so everybody got a one-on-one every week. It was like 30 minutes. And in one Friday, I'm 27 years old, 26 years old at the time. I'm young. Most of the people working for me were older than I am. And in one particular Friday, I made three people cry in one-on-ones. Now, I'm not saying this to break, I'll I'll come around to that. And one was uh was another man a little older than I am. And um, I got to the leadership meeting that afternoon, and word had gotten around, and our vice president said, uh, good job, you had a hat trick today. And there was a badge of honor for being very brutally honest in that in that culture. And I wore it with pride at that young age. And it wasn't until I got started my business and you know, when I was 29, and I still had that kind of mentality, like I'm gonna get in my client's face, blah, blah, blah, you know, and it just wore me down. Like I was just like mentally and emotionally and physically worn down uh from playing that role of just the thumb breaker, you know. And finally I'm like, I can't do this anymore. Like I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna be much more gentle when the when the need comes to give them have difficult conversations. Um, I'm gonna learn how to communicate more effectively. And all of a sudden, it became a lot easier to do my job. That's a wearing thing, especially in a culture that you know, that propagates and promotes based on that kind of thing. So I do like the more gentle approach, especially as I've gotten older. Maybe having you know kids and raising kids and having grandkids has made a big difference too, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:19

I think just energy-wise, it sounds like it was there'd be so much negative energy. I just uh that would yeah, I just don't do the I'm not mean to people. I'm not uh I and I am very cognizant of feelings and oh that would just I I yeah I I've never been that way though. I've never been one to make people cry.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

No, uh it's and I I don't I can't stand I don't like to watch people cry on TV.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

Oh, I just would yeah, it's just sad. I know it's just well we don't have to do that to people, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:54

No, I mean it it was for me that's probably part probably what subconsciously why I left the company 18 months later to start doing this. Um it was it was wearing. It was it was very wearing.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:06

And well, and the energy drains you, and if you absorb so much, yeah, you'd be surprised, you'd be like, oh wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:14

Could never do that today. No, no. So my last question, I like the this is kind of a net that kind of catches anything I might have missed. So for you for the talk we've had today so far, Michelle, is there any question that I didn't ask that you kind of wish I would have, or is there any kind of one final message you want to leave with the bamboo pack?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:35

There's one thing everyone can do to make the world a better place. Anyone can do it anywhere. You think from your heart, you put your hand on your heart, and you just think from your heart because that's gonna change how you think. It's gonna make you think differently, kinder, and and you can send unconditional love to everyone. And you know what? Maybe people will feel it or not, but you'd be surprised how great it makes you feel being genuinely kind and having more love in the world will change the world.

Follow Michelle And Closing

SPEAKER_01 1:13:09

Amen to that. I wrote that down. Put your hand on your heart and think. Oof. I love that. That's a great way for us to wrap up. You know, when I prepared to talk to you today, um, I figured we were gonna have a good conversation. I I I I just love the style of your content and the way you communicate it to the world. And um, this is fun. I learned a lot today. Like I learned a lot of things that I think, okay, I need to do that differently. I'd like to work on that a little bit, or oh, that's a really good idea. Um, that last one was a great one. And really, the what I got out of the major thing I got of today was what you said is I was supposed to go through this. Like that, that, that it can that's gonna help me so immensely. And even the things that I've been uh, you know, mourning over the last several months, or you know, some of the pain I have felt emotionally, I can now use that so well. And I know there are people out there that that is are gonna walk away and say, that's what I got out of the hour that I spent with Michelle today. The people are gonna that's gonna be a number one, I think, response for a lot of people is that's what they got because that's an incredibly powerful lesson. It really is.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:20

Oh, that's awesome. I can oh thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:22

I was supposed to go through this. And what was the other thing? Wait, our belief. Oh, just the unconditional our belief defines our world? Or wait, oh I wrote I'm I have such bad handwriting. I'll go back and listen to it because that was another one. Go back to this. You're gonna have to. All right, so folks, go to neuro-based learning or neurobased training on Instagram. Check it out, uh, follow Michelle, reach out to her if you have questions or want to, you know, talk with her, get some information, uh, hire her, whatever you want to do, because this is good stuff. And I'm it's the most I've had people who are in the health and industry, health industry, fitness industry before. This is the most holistic um person, uh guest I've ever brought on who really sees, I believe, how the mind and body work in in conjunction with each other. There's a lot more causation than just correlation and between the brain and the heart, the body. Um, this is good stuff, folks. This is game changers, changing stuff. So, my dear new friend Michelle, over the past month or so, thank you for being such an amazing guest on the Bamboo Lab podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:32

Oh, thank you. And hey, I'm uh neurobased training on Facebook too, as a business page.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:37

Okay, folks, look on yeah, I don't I don't think I'm following that yet. I'll I'll be I'll be following you today. So Facebook and LinkedIn or link Facebook and Instagram, folks, neurobased training. Everyone, thank you for tuning in this week. We this was a great time. I had a I got an hour and 15 minutes of record time that I learned a lot, took another page of notes. I hope you all did too. If you listen to us while you're driving or working out, what I would suggest you do is go back, listen to it again with a pad of paper and a pen. Please, everybody, hit that subscribe button if you like, rate and review us. Um uh maybe we share it with three or four people you love. In the meantime, I'll talk to you, I think, in maybe a couple of weeks. I don't think we have a show scheduled for next week, but I'll talk to you in a couple weeks. In the meantime, please get out there and strive to just be your best. Show love and respect to others and to yourself, and please try to live with passion and purpose. I appreciate each and every single one of you.