How to Be a Grownup: A Humorous Guide for Moms, with CK & GK

ADHD & Creativity Block? 5 Proven Ways to Unstick Your Brain

• Jenny GK and Caitlin Kindred • Season 4 • Episode 162

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Ever stare at a blank page, willing your ADHD brain to just create already, only to end up deep-diving into crow memes instead? This episode’s for you. 

Caitlin and guest co-host Ariella Monti (author, fellow late-diagnosed ADHDer, and mom of an ADHD son) share hilarious, real-world strategies to unstick your creativity—without guilt-tripping yourself into oblivion.

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Who Should Listen

  • Moms who’ve ever hyperfixated on literally anything instead of their passion project.
  • ADHDers who thrive in chaos but crash when creativity feels like a chore.
  • Anyone who needs permission to take a damn break without self-shaming.

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What You Get In This Episode

  1. Workspace Hacks: Why a window + Bluetooth speaker might save your sanity (and how to ADHD-proof your creative zone).
  2. The Art of Strategic Procrastination: Why “hammock time” is scientifically valid (and how to explain it to your judgy inner critic).
  3. Flexible Structure FTW: Ariella’s “pottery journal” method for breaking big projects into dopamine-sized bites.
  4. Body Doubling Magic: How to harness the power of creative peer pressure (even if your “office” is a Discord server).
  5. Permission to Rest: Why creativity blocks aren’t failures—and how to work with your brain’s chaotic cycles.

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Bios

  • Caitlin (CK): Unmedicated ADHD mom, former teacher, and professional overthinker who’s obsessed with yogurt pretzels.
  • Ariella Monti: Author of Roots and Ink, pottery enthusiast, and queen of “flexible structure” (who also bribes you with 20% off her books using promo code CKANDGK).

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Caitlin Kindred:

Yay, you're here. I don't sing like Jenny does, well, sometimes.

Ariella Monti:

I do. You have a really good singing voice though.

Caitlin Kindred:

Thank you, thank you, I appreciate that. I just don't. It's not my thing to start the show with a happy song. She is that person. I'm more of the tackle at how loudly she does it kind of person, because I don't know how to react to it. Either way, we're all glad you're here. It doesn't matter, we'll get to the show. I promise 30 seconds in. So, uh, welcome to how to be a grown-up. This is a how-to show for women who've turned weight what was I saying? Into a personality trait. So yeah, we literally do that in every the she and I really like do this in every episode where one of us will be like wait, hold on. I had the thought, I lost the thought what were you saying?

Caitlin Kindred:

disappears just disappears or you stare off into space. That's very much like sometimes I just start talking and I don't know where the sentence is gonna go. It just takes me to some place it's an adventure, it's a journey. Every conversation with a person with ADHD is an adventure. You just have no idea what they're going to talk about.

Caitlin Kindred:

So the person thankfully cackling at the things that I say, is Arielle Amante. She is a purpley, bluish hair, dictionary of definition and awesome, and she has two books that you are. Well, she has several books. One of them is in progress, the other one is out, roots and ink, and it's amazing. You have to go read it. The covers are both gorgeous. She also has novellas. You can go to her website, arielamontecom, and get your books from her with promo code ck and gk for 20 off. So yes, uh, I had a joke for those. I'm gonna say it anyway, because if you like your books, like you like your bread, nice and toasty, you gotta read ariel's how many corny jokes can I make up?

Ariella Monti:

no, I know I I need to go back to all of the show notes and write these down so that I can use them in my social media marketing Do it.

Caitlin Kindred:

They're all here in the show notes. I write them all down and they're all original. There is no chat GPT coming up with these, by the way.

Ariella Monti:

I do the book ones?

Caitlin Kindred:

chat, gpt coming up with these. By the way, I do the book ones. Sometimes I get help for the Leslie Knope compliments. But no, these are all me, because I got to think of them on the fly yeah.

Caitlin Kindred:

Anyway love it. Tangents, what was I saying? Circle back, here we go. Last episode, this is a mess. We discussed ADHDhd and our creativity superpowers. This week, you, ariela, are going to give us all advice on what to do when those creative juices stop flowing and we are annoyed or frustrated by our creativity or lack thereof yes, yes.

Ariella Monti:

So, just like last week, we've got all of the sources in the show notes that are coming from a smattering of different places Attitude, magazine, scientific American, understoodorg and our own broken brains.

Caitlin Kindred:

I don't know why the word smattering is so funny to me.

Ariella Monti:

And our brains aren't broken. I shouldn't say that, but no, it's Sometimes it does.

Caitlin Kindred:

Sometimes they feel broken. Yeah, mine's unmedicated, again, I, I don't know what it is. There are some words that just like trigger a happy thought in my brain, and one of them is booger, because that word is just hysterical. Another one is butthole, because One of them is booger, because that word is just hysterical.

Caitlin Kindred:

Another one is butthole, because why is that word a thing? And for some reason smattering did that to me and I don't know why, because it's not one of the ones I know triggers me. But there we go, anyway. So let's talk about this what happens when creativity gets difficult?

Ariella Monti:

So when creativity feels hard, I'll calm down.

Caitlin Kindred:

I swear I'm good, I'm here. Okay, I think I need to leave this in, all right. All right, go for it here we go.

Ariella Monti:

So in life with adhd, there is a time where we trail off and for every stop there is a goat right.

Caitlin Kindred:

It's from that's from that's from the sword in the stone. Where's that from?

Ariella Monti:

oh no, I don't think I saw that one.

Caitlin Kindred:

Oh, I saw it, I was really really young. Yeah, oh yeah, it's one of the older ones, but you got to watch it. It's good it's. We watched it fairly recently. I like that one. Okay, yeah.

Ariella Monti:

Okay, okay. So when creativity feels hard because life with ADHD is one that for every strength there is an impairment, that can make accessing those strengths more challenging. We struggle with organization, time management and task completion. And just because we're used to working in a chaotic workspace, like, doesn't mean our creativity can't be negatively impacted by the creative work. The chaotic workspace, just because we're used to staying up until 2 am because we got so involved in a project, doesn't mean it can't negatively impact us when our kids have to be at school at 830. Oh, no, yeah, yeah. So it's really important for us to be able to access our creativity as ADHD people. I mean for everybody, but it's especially important for people with, you know, with ADHD. And if you think of creativity like a type of energy that is inside you, it doesn't disappear if you don't use it.

Ariella Monti:

It just just grows, but not in a way that doesn't serve you, um, but in a not in a way that that helps you, that it just right, exactly, it grows exactly, and I personally feel this a lot when I really want to sit down and write, feel this a lot when I really want to sit down and write but I can't because I have to adult in some way or I have to do like the business stuff of being a self-published author, like the marketing stuff I hate doing, or formatting stuff that I hate doing, like eventually I'll start to feel like anxious and depressed because I have not done anything creative, like I have not worked the creative muscles.

Ariella Monti:

So today we're going to talk about some strategies to to work those creative muscles. I like it. These are. These are just suggestions. Your mileage may vary and some of these suggestions came from resources that were specifically geared. The creative things that bring you joy, yeah, um, and you know, as we learned last week about divergent thinking, I am sure that your listeners will be able to take these recommendations and find a way to apply them in the random places in your life.

Caitlin Kindred:

Yay.

Ariella Monti:

So we'll start with a flexible and stimulating workplace. Build your workspace.

Caitlin Kindred:

Sometimes my brain reverts back to 12 year old me, which is why I taught middle school. I'm good stimulate my life like, like I'm right, you literally write this stuff sorry, I mean I swear I'm fine, you guys, I can do this, okay, tell us about what your workspace needs to be.

Ariella Monti:

So build your workspace around what you need to access your creativity. So if that's a window or I mean obviously you can't add a window to a place where there is no window but you can like I moved my desk in front of the window instead of like three feet away from it, because I am more creative when I can look out the window and see birds. Oh, there's a crow like just flying right by my window right now.

Caitlin Kindred:

Have you seen that thing? Sorry, this is a meme and it's tangential, but it's funny. The person wrote like hey, you're not, you don't know how big a crow actually is. Like, imagine a crow in your hand wrong, it's like four times bigger than the picture of what you have in your hand. Crows are huge. Sorry, anyway, that has nothing to do with anything, but it may be so anyway. What else needs to be present in your workspace? You have.

Ariella Monti:

you need to have birds, uh, and outdoors so, and plants, right it's maybe right, so you like, maybe you need to, you need to move, so you have a standing desk or a walking pad.

Caitlin Kindred:

maybe it's music, so you have like a bluetooth speaker, but maybe it's silence, so you have noise canceling headphones or even soundproofing or something like make the workspace what you need in order to work, access the creativity that, yeah you need and this may also be like this is this is interesting because, as someone who in some ways, yes, I am a creative, but in other ways, like I, have to separate that piece of creativity like for funsies from creativity for worksies, right right, like when I'm working, I either need music without words or silence.

Caitlin Kindred:

But if I am like just doing something for fun, I don't mind having background noise like music with words or a podcast or whatever, but it just depends on what my attention is needed on. If I have to listen to something, then I can't have other words playing around me, but it's I. I think that I don't want people to get confused between or assume that what they need for work is the same thing as what they need for creativity for fun absolutely, yeah, absolutely, yeah, definitely, because I, I like having a window nearby, regardless of what kind of creative work I'm doing.

Ariella Monti:

Sure, like my works, my craft space downstairs is the table is in front of a window. Yeah, but I also, like you said, need you know different things. I'm the same way If I'm writing, I cannot listen to anything with words in it, but if I'm sewing, then sure, like that's fine um yeah, but both places have a bluetooth speaker so that I can listen to music.

Caitlin Kindred:

Yeah, there you go so you know like you set yourself up for success in that way Exactly.

Ariella Monti:

Exactly, definitely. Yeah, this is a big one. Take breaks If you're feeling stuck with something like stop forcing creativity to come. Like just go take a walk, drink some water, you know, play with your dog, pet your cat, whatever. My husband works from home now, but pre-COVID he used to work in Research Triangle Park, which is a you know large town-like area in north carolina where all like the tech firms live and um, there are places, like on these campuses, where they've got hammocks and like for software developers, hammock time is like a socially acceptable thing. Like if you can't figure something out with your code, you just go lay down in a hammock and like that's okay so think about how many ideas you get when you're not working right.

Caitlin Kindred:

Like, think about, it is real that like you'll be in the shower and you're like, oh, I have this great idea for X, y, z. There's people have like waterproof shower tablets, like to write on because that, because that happens, or like this is why voice memos exist. If you're out on a walk and you get a great idea, record it like that, that's what it's for. So that's why you need the break.

Ariella Monti:

So just I agree with that. I love that. Don't force it Like I used to do that with projects that I was working on, like I would just sit there and stare at the screen until, like, trying to like force the words to come, and now I don't. If I don't, I either move on to like the next thing or I just step away from the projects completely for a little bit, and I found that that has really helped minimize the creative exhaustion, the creative blocks and like the burnout that I will feel.

Caitlin Kindred:

Yeah, it's so frustrating when you want to have an idea and you don't have it, so then you just sit there. I mean, it's kind of like when you're trying to fall asleep, so you think about how you need to sleep and then you never fall asleep.

Caitlin Kindred:

So like just if you, you have to stop forcing that to happen. And it's really hard in the moment a lot of the time to tell yourself, ok, I need to take a break because you you're like I have to do this or I want to get this done or you know whatever, but it's so important. I think that's a really good call, definitely.

Ariella Monti:

And you can also do something creative but different. So, like on one of our previous episodes, we talked about like having a creative hobby that isn't a side hustle and it's something that you just do for fun. It's the same kind of idea. So, like, if you work in the visual arts, then do something creative in a different medium. So you're still kind of working those creative muscles, but it's like with a different exercise. Like instead of doing heavy lifting, you're doing Pilates. You know, like you're still working out, but you're just working out in a different way Brain Pilates. That's super, super helpful, yeah.

Ariella Monti:

So the next one would be to embrace your creative cycles. So it's normal for adhd creatives to have periods of like intense focus, that hyper focus, interspersed with moments of like distraction or like it looks like distraction. So it's kind of like we were talking about where, like you're you know the, the focus on the thing, and then you need to like go lay down in a hammock and stuff, like don't fight it, you know be it, be, embrace as much as you can the like intense focus on a thing, and then, during those times where you're not like just be, just be okay with it, like be accepting of it Again. Don't try to force the creativity. It will come back, but not when you're trying to force it to come back.

Caitlin Kindred:

Yeah, I actually saw this fairly recently where it was like I think they called it like chaotic discipline or something like that, where this guy was talking about how he had ADHD and he was like you may have like three days a week where you are quote unquote lazy, right, like you cannot do anything.

Caitlin Kindred:

You want to get up off the couch and fold that laundry but you just physically cannot do it, and then you beat yourself up because you're guilty and blah, blah, blah, shame cycle, adhd life. But on those four days a week, the remaining four of those three, you know three out of them you'll get, you'll get a bunch of stuff done, and on the fourth day you're a maniac and you get everything done. So you may get more done in a full seven day period than a neurotypical who works steadily five days a week and then takes those two days to do other things. So you know, it's just because that's how our brains work. Those cycles come and go for us that like lean into it when you have it and then it's really hard to not feel guilty when you're not in it. But the more you accept it, the more likely you are to actually not feel burned out and frustrated by your own self, and then your cycle will probably come back pretty soon.

Ariella Monti:

So something to think about yeah absolutely.

Ariella Monti:

Absolutely. This is a pretty common one. It's the breaking down of large projects. We sort of talked about this last week, but take a large product, take a large project and break it down into smaller tasks. So, like, one of our strengths is being able to see the big picture. But also being able to see the big picture can feel really overwhelming, and that's when you take this big project and make it a bunch of little projects that you know give you a little dopamine cookie when you're done and you accomplished it. Yay, yes, new to it, and I don't have the skills to just like, see a thing and make it. So I will write out all of the steps that I have to take to make this thing and I just focus on each step rather than like wonder how I'm going to turn this hunk of clay into something resembling the flower pot that I printed off of Pinterest as inspiration.

Caitlin Kindred:

You know Very good ADHD-ing. Yeah, that is not my style at all.

Ariella Monti:

No, I know it was something that I had to learn with lots of failure first. So it also helps that my friend and pottery teacher gave me a pottery journal, so I will put like the project that I'm working on and then it's got space, you know, for notes and stuff like that.

Ariella Monti:

So I will put, like I'll basically make like a little checklist and everything, and that has been okay helpful, like now I'm not like forgetting random stuff that I would have yeah I can't tell you how many times I was like, oh, I want to put texture on this, and then like I've made the thing and everything's smooth because I forgot to add texture to it.

Caitlin Kindred:

Yeah, yeah. Stuff like that I get what you're saying.

Ariella Monti:

Yeah, similarly brainstorm or brain dump before you get started with a project, adhders tend to just dive into things and this can lead to a stuck point or not knowing kind of where to go next.

Ariella Monti:

If you're doing a little bit of pre-planning, it can give you a foundation so you don't get too far off track, because you know we do like to follow a path to nowhere.

Ariella Monti:

And it provides a destination and it's I like to call it flexible structure, so you can you, by the seat of your pants, like totally just sitting down in, like in front of your computer, and just like the characters will tell you where to go.

Ariella Monti:

And yeah, this is how I used to, yeah, this is how I used to write, like I used to just like sit down and then just word vomit, but then I would get to a point where I had I would get burned out, I would have no idea where the story was going. I, I would just, I would just like leave it, like it would be half done and that was the end of it and I'd go move on to the next thing. And now I do a lot more outlining before I start drafting and I have that flexible structure so I can still adjust the outline as I write, but I am no longer getting as burned out when I'm drafting because I know where I'm supposed to go and I know that I have the freedom to adjust that plan. And that has really helped not just access the creativity, because now, like I know where I've got to, I know what's coming next, but also keep it going yeah, that makes sense.

Caitlin Kindred:

I mean, mean, I'm I'm thinking about again doing that thing where I make a bunch of connections to things and I swear they do make sense in my head. But one of the things I tell you when you're learning to teach is think about what the outcome is supposed to be. Right, like what, what are you trying to get the kids to learn? Okay, great, that's your final destination, that's what they need to know. So now, how you get there is within. You know. That's where the creative piece comes.

Caitlin Kindred:

As long as you make it to that destination. It's all good. So there's that. One of the things that I'm kind of guilty of and I do this when I'm it's a very common practice when I'm cooking or baking is I will think I have supplies and I don't have all that I need. So I've started planning first, where I've you know.

Caitlin Kindred:

I take out all of the, because that the other thing is like I'd be like, oh, I do have butter, but it'd be frozen, and I'd be like man, I didn't know. You know what I mean. So if I take it all out ahead of time, one, I can't get lazy and then forget to do it because I'll be mad at myself for taking it all out. But two, that's my outline right Now. I know like, oh, I do need oil, or I do need butter, or I do need another egg or whatever it is, and I don't have to stop mid-recipe and go get it. But it's kind of similar in that sense where. So you don't miss something Right?

Ariella Monti:

Yeah, definitely. And another way to and I think one of the ways that I find the most the hell's the word effective in kind of keeping the either creativity going or kind of getting out of being stuck, is body doubling. So doing creative stuff with a friend who also does the same kind of creative stuff. During the school year, when my son was in school, I pretty regularly met up with a few author friends at either a library or a coffee shop and it was nice to just kind of be around other creative people.

Ariella Monti:

Um, I doesn't have to be, you know, in person. My critique partners and I are in a discord server and we use a bot in like discord to do writing sprints. In fact, while I was, you know, writing all of these notes and stuff, one of my critique partners and I were running a sprint, so she was doing like admin tasks while I was doing this and it was like you know, she's over in chicago and we're working together to kind of keep each other going um, you know, there's like this idea that art and create, creating art and creativity is like a solitary thing and it really isn't Like when you're doing the thing.

Ariella Monti:

It might be solitary but it's so much better when it's collaborative and you have, like other creative people around you that you can brainstorm with and you can you can bounce ideas off of. Like when I was a reporter, I can't tell you how many times I would get stuck on a story and I would get up and I would like look for one of my you know reporter friends and I would like go over to their desk and I just start talking and then then it would come. Whatever I was stuck on was no longer stuck. Come to you, right, and I'd be like thanks and then walk away like before.

Ariella Monti:

They could even get like a word out, because I figured out the process like just by talking it right, yeah, yeah, right just talking it out. Yeah, exactly so. So yeah, body doubling is my favorite way to kind of get unstuck when I'm in a creative slump.

Caitlin Kindred:

I love it. That's smart, uh, that's also. I mean, those are pretty great tips for being an adhd person, having to get something done in general, but there is, there is something to exercising that creativity muscle for lack of a better way to put that uh, when it comes to, I don't know, it's almost I'm just trying to think of how to, how to say this right way. But it's like anything else, you practice what you want to get better at. Adhd years are creative, but sometimes I liked that you said access the creativity as opposed to like be creative, cause it makes it sound.

Caitlin Kindred:

I think if someone's like I'm not creative, that isn't necessarily true. It's all about how you access it. Yeah, and that was a really roundabout way of me making that point. Again, talk to process person, but I think that I'm a mess, you guys. I'm just thinking like it's the being blocked. That is the frustrating piece, right, it's not like just forget it, I got it. It's important to be able to access your creativity because everyone has it. It's just a matter of how you figure out where it's at and what you need in order to get to it. That is the most important part, right? So, absolutely, I think that's. I think that's what I was trying to say.

Ariella Monti:

Yeah, and it's, it's okay to rest also and like it's very hard to be it and it's also let's acknowledge that it's really hard to be creative while the world is on fire. You know, know, like yeah, there's. You know I'm spending a lot of the time that I want that I, that I would like to be creative. I am spending sending emails to my Congress people and like yelling at them. So the world is on fire and that makes it really hard, just come up with new creative ways to be insulting.

Ariella Monti:

You know I am coming up with new creative ways like to do my emails Like. The last one was 10 ways I would rather spend taxpayer money than a parade. It's like clickbaity. I like it. Exactly, right, right, yeah, we'll see if we'll see if my son money than there you go a parade. It's like clickbaity. So I like it.

Caitlin Kindred:

Exactly right, right, yeah, we'll see if we'll see if my son just like pull your inspiration from buzzfield, buzzfield buzzfeed like articles just take it take one of their headlines, just one of them, and then just like rip it off and change the numbers and the thing that they put, like you know pretty much, yeah, I bet, I bet you can't, I bet you can't get all these quiz answers right. And then it's like, just like how all their, all the crappy tax dollars are being paid or whatever.

Caitlin Kindred:

You know what I mean exactly, yeah, exactly I bet you didn't know this is what your tax dollars were going to. Oh wait, you did know that because you're the one making that decision. You know something like that. Yes, okay, let's, uh, let's take a break, we will be right back. Hey, y'all pov, you find a diary exposing forbidden magic and the hot museum caretaker's life depends on you burning it, roots and ink. The debut novel by Ariella Monti is the fantasy romance for rebels. Use promo code CKANDGK to get 20% off your copy at AriellaMonticom. Again, that's all caps C-K-A-N-D-G-K for 20% off on AriellaMonticom. Get your copy for 20% off on arielamontecom. Get your copy for 20% off today. Okay, we're back here and my brain is ADHD-ing. Right now. I can feel all the things jumping around and making nonsense in my head, so if I start to sound like it, sorry.

Ariella Monti:

It's been entertaining to watch.

Caitlin Kindred:

Okay, great, I'm glad you can see it happening. It's really fun. Yes, yes, definitely Do you have a hyper fixation right now.

Ariella Monti:

I am totally hyper fixated on all the flowers that are popping up in my yard and I have been cutting them and putting them in my house, like just like little cut flowers and stuff.

Ariella Monti:

Yeah, and now that I have I've been planting so many I'm starting to see like the volunteers like popping up in weird spots and that is just bringing me like so much delight, like to find, you know, like honeysuckle like on the other side of the yard, or black eyed Susans like in the corner of my deck, and that's been, that's been super, that's been super fun I like how this always happens to me, but whoever I'm talking to when we talk about either their thing they're obsessed with or their hyper fixation, theirs are always like somewhat meaningful and beautiful, and mine is yogurt pretzels.

Ariella Monti:

So I mean, I'm also hyper. I'm also hyper fixated on, you know, frozen mozzarella sticks that I basically eat every single day. So does that make you feel better like?

Caitlin Kindred:

it kind of yeah, actually, thank you.

Caitlin Kindred:

Yeah, I was snacking on yogurt pretzels right before we were recording this, so they're so delicious I am probably gonna go make some mozzarella sticks later, yeah, yeah when I was a kid, my mom I remember when it was just the two of us my mom and I would go to the grocery store and she would put me in. You know, nowadays you can like bring cheerios to entertain your kid, right like you. People would do things like that, but my mom would. We'd stop at the bulk bin, we'd get some yogurt pretzels and I would get a couple like out of the bulk bag and then she would probably go back and top it off. But I just remember eating like yogurt pretzels in the shopping cart with my mom while we were shopping Like one of the best things I've ever done.

Ariella Monti:

It's very nostalgic. My mom used to do that too. She used to do that not with yogurt pretzels, but with grapes, which like as when I grew growing up and now doing our own, you know, but like doing our own grocery shopping. You're like, oh man, like you pay for that stuff per pound, like but not if you eat a bunch of it before you go right.

Ariella Monti:

And then she also and this, just, just this just tells you like how italian like my, me and my family are. So we would get, like she would buy like the the loaves of italian bread, and then she would like tear off like the end of it, like that, a chunk of it, and that is like what I would eat, like just like gnawing on a piece of italian bread.

Caitlin Kindred:

I want to say I've done that with sourdough. Yeah, I want to say I've done that with sourdough. Yeah, I want to say we've done that too, but they were already labeled, so it wasn't like you were paying. I'm pretty sure, because when I was a kid in San Francisco, you could buy food and bread in a bag, and then you'd just tear off the hunk and they would just rip. Yeah, I love bread so much. Okay, did you get anything done, or no? No, it's okay to say no, no.

Ariella Monti:

Sometimes you can't.

Caitlin Kindred:

It's all right. It's okay, go take a break. You need one. You did your notes for this.

Ariella Monti:

I think that counts. I did, oh, but you know what I did? I put up my so I like to decorate seasonally in my so like I'll decorate for the seasons and then like I'll accent with whatever holiday it is, and I took out my spring and summer stuff like months ago, yeah, but I never put, I never put it up, like I never decorated my mantle for for summer and I just did that the other day, like I went and put up all the little things and you know it's got my flowers up there now and now I gotta find a spot for the bin with all the stuff I didn't put up, but yeah, yeah I finally did that and like now, now, now it brings me.

Ariella Monti:

You know, I've got the fairy lights and all that stuff on it.

Caitlin Kindred:

And it brings me lots of joy yeah. Yeah, that's how I feel about fall decorations. Like it just makes me so happy to see the fall decorations come out.

Ariella Monti:

Yeah, oh, yeah, I love it.

Caitlin Kindred:

I actually I think I've shared this with our listeners, but I don't care if people know like I have Hashimoto's disease and it's a low thyroid issue and I've been monitored. I also have other not that's not the right word Autoimmune that's the word. I also have a couple of other autoimmune things that are benign and I'm healthy and fine and everything like that, but I'm being monitored all the time. So I have an appointment with my endocrinologist next week and I had an appointment with my hematologist last week and I was like what if the hematologist shares the results of my lab work with the endocrinologist, so that I don't get charged for doing two sets of lab work that are happening within a week? And I actually I asked about it while I was at the hematologist's office and they were like oh yeah, we'll do that, just like send us a note.

Caitlin Kindred:

Well, the whole point of me asking at the hematologist's office was so that they would do it for me and I don't have to come back later and remember to write the note I remembered. And they did it. They sent it over. So I'm very proud of myself because I actually remembered. Like who even am I? Because I remembered amazing Yep.

Ariella Monti:

Amazing.

Caitlin Kindred:

Awesome, I know I love it. I'm really proud. Everybody clap, do it. Are you clapping? Yay, you're doing it. That helps, that's all I care it. I'm really proud. Everybody clap, do it. Are you clapping? Yay, you're doing it. That helps, that's all I care about. Okay, that means it's time for us to go. So, as Jenny would say, make good choices, make the things and make sure you take a break when you're not feeling the juices flowing. Go touch some grass For real. Okay, love, you mean it.

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Caitlin Kindred

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