Peelable Paint Chronicles: Exploring the World of PlastiDip and AutoFlex Ft. Jason Brozak

In this episode of the AutoBody Podcast, we have Jason Brozak, a peelable paint installer extraordinaire associated with JustTheDipz.

Jason shares his professional journey, from working in a sign shop to exploring different career paths. Eventually, he found his passion in peelable paint and started dipping his own car after having the necessary budget. Jason shares his expertise and experiences with Peelable paint products, specifically focusing on PlastiDip and AutoFlex. They delves into the origins of peelable paint, with Jason mentioning that he learned about PlastiDip from Fonzie's videos on YouTube. They were captivated by the idea of changing colors on wheels and other surfaces easily and without limitations. The conversation covers various aspects of peelable paint, its emergence, advantages over vinyl wraps, and the challenges faced by installers.

In this episode, Jason Brozak provides an insightful discussion on peelable paint, its advantages over vinyl wraps, the popularity of PlastiDip, the importance of following instructions, and the challenges of matte finishes on motorcycles.

Listeners will surely gain valuable knowledge and a deeper understanding of the world of peelable paint coatings, its evolution, and its application in the automotive industry.

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This is the Auto BodyPodcast, presented by Clarity Code.We'll get stories and talk to people fromall over the industry.Painters, body guys,manufacturers, and anybody in between.Let's do it.Welcome to the Auto Body Podcast.Presented by Clarity Code.Now here's your host, Adam Huber.Hey everyone, welcomeback to the podcast.Now, I realize it's been a little whilesince we've done an episode.And there's actually a verysimple reason behind that.The reason is, is that we've kind of runout of people to talk towithout bringing on returningguests and so on and so forth.So here is my request to you guys thatare listening to this episode.If you have enjoyed this podcast andlistened to it and you'rein the Auto Body space andyou haven't been on the show before,please send an email toadmin at ClarityCode.com.That's A-D-M-I-N.So admin as in like admin as anadministrator at ClarityCode.com.Sarah is someone who helps me out withthe podcast tremendously.Reach out to her, tell her that you'reinterested in coming onto the show.And we would love tohave you on the show.Tell your story because, you know, thisis something that I really enjoy doing.Without further ado, I would like tointroduce a really coolguest that I've been lookingforward to doing this podcastepisode for a little while now.We have Jason Brozak with Just the Dips.And he is a peelable paintinstaller extraordinaire.Jason, would you kind of just, would youmind introducing yourself,tell people where you're at,so on and so forth?That's a good way to put it.I also have been calling it designer PPF.So that makes it sound fancy, you know.So I'm Jason Brozak.I own Just the Dips.I am based out of Austin, Texas.What else?You want to go like into history here?Hold on.I'm doing it.We go deep.We've got an hour.So I've been into these products back, Imean, since about 2011, right?When they first kind of started comingout and Fonzie startedmaking videos about doingwheels and badges.So, you know, I had a 91 BMW 318i andblacked out the hood and the badges.And I thought it was just the coolestthing to be able topaint my car without havingit be like a permanent fixture.You know, you didn't have todo all the sanding prep work.And, you know, as long as you understoodthe products, you coulddo some pretty amazingthings with this stuff.So I just I liked that I didn't have tobuy rolls of vinyl wrapand had to worry aboutsqueegeeing bubbles and all that stuff.So you just it just kindof hit me from day one.I've been in since day one.So that's awesome.So now to kind of give a little bit of tokind of expand on thishistory a little bit.So in 2011, a guy by the name of Fonzie,which I'm sure that he is synonymous withpeelable paint.But everyone kind of it's interestingthat a lot of people whenthey hear peelable paint,the first word that theythink of is Plasti Dip.And that's the whole level.That's all there is to it, right?Plasti Dip is likemacaroni and cheese or Kleenex.You know, I mean, you think it's likeKleenex means tissue.It doesn't matter what brand it is.It's a Kleenex, right?So what was it?How did you get introduced to Plasti Dipall the way back in 2011?Obviously, you know, Fonzie is putting itout there, but wheredid you first see it?YouTube, you know, youknow, it was it was a video.I want to say it was he was doing a setof wheels or somethingon YouTube and showinghow it healed.And I was like, what?You mean I can change the color and runit for however long I want?And then I can peel it off and change itto a different color later.Like, and I don't have tobuy another set of wheels.This is amazing.You know, so because that was back whenthe black wheel push,you know, everybody starteddoing black wheels on everything.Now it's like mainstream dealerships aredoing, you know, factorychrome deletes and blackoutpackages now.And I think it's because of thoseproducts back in 2011 whenthey came out that, you know,taking taking moneyaway from the installers.But, you know, blackout was the thingthat was the thing to do.So yeah.And so you had said that one of thereasons why you wereattracted to Plasti Dip or peelablepaint in the first place was because youdidn't have to worryabout vinyl wrap or having alimited amount of options when it came tocolor choices or bubblesor the stuff peeling upor anything like that.So had you messed around with vinyl atthat point and tried toget something to work withvinyl?I'm actually an old school vinyl person.Like I worked at a sign shop 25 years agoish, something like that.I don't know.I was like 19 probablylonger ago than that.But yeah, one of my first jobs out ofhigh school was workingfor a company that did signsand then they did vehicle vinyl graphics,like racing stripes and stuff like that.So I had lots of vinyl experience, youknow, cutting stickerson potters and all that.I don't know.There was just something about the noglue residue because, you know, I mean,vinyl has come a long way and I'm not avinyl hater by any means.You know, the new technology with the airrelease and everything is awesome.But, you know, back in the day, we hadcast vinyl, you know, and that was it.So you had to be really good at puttingit on to get it on withno bubbles and whatnot.And then, you know, after it's been onfor a while, we getvehicles that came in.Who knows how long these stickers havebeen on the car and it wasall cracked and separated.And you had to steam everything offbecause it was just a nightmare.So this stuff plastic came out and I'mlike, there's no glue holding that on.You know, I figure it was just, you know,bonded with like, youknow, sorcery or whatever.But it just intrigued me that it's like,OK, it stays on thecar, but there's no glue.So no matter how long it's been on, I'mnot going to have to worry aboutscraping glue off of thisthing when I'm done. So.Actually, you kind of pointed outsomething that I usually do on the show,which is you kind of went back and talkeda little bit about your history.So what was Jason doing?So you kind ofmentioned like post high school.You were doing some vinyl wrap installsand stuff like that.Yeah.And you actually grew, correct me if I'mwrong, but you actually grew up in Omaha.Is that right?Yes. Yep. Yep.Omaha, Nebraska, Midwest.Which is just a little bit like just onlytwo hours away from me.Is it? Oh, yeah, that's right.Yeah. So you were installing vinyl andeverything like that.But what were you kind of doing after youwere installing vinyl?So lots of things.I mean, I tried I've triedlots of different avenues.I installed IP based security cameras forquite a few years for theOmaha public schoolsystem and stuff like that.And then I ended up justwanting to change the pace.So I'm a car guy.So I tried selling cars and I worked fora big dealership in theOmaha area called Woodhouse.I mean, you're that close, youmight have even heard of them.But I sold I sold Ford'sfor almost five years there.And that's about the time that I startedgetting into PlastiDip heavier because I hadthe nice thing about Plasti Dip is it'svery budget friendly for a DIY person.But, you know, making stickers wasn'tsuper, you know, highly paidjob 25 years ago or whatever.So I started selling cars and, you know,was able to pull downsix figures selling cars inOmaha, Nebraska, which was awesome.So then I had money tobuy the car that I wanted.And then me being that frugal DIY guy, Iwas able to buy theproducts to dip my first car,which was 2012 into 2012, I think is whenI actually did my full first car.Like I've been messing with wheels andbadges and whatever,you know, before that.But I actually did my firstcar like at the end of 2012.Yeah. So you're likesuper early adopter then.Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. I'mdefinitely one of the OG guys.Now, did you have any painting experienceprior to this at all?No, I've still never painted withautomotive paint yet.Interesting.Okay. So 2012, you're messing around somePlasti Dip jobs and everything like that.Let's fast forward a little bit to, youknow, at what point did youstart going more full timewith it then?Well, I would do something outlandish tomy car about once a year.So, you know, did my first car.I did a Von Gittin Jr.Monster Energy Mustang replica.And then I changed it the next year tothey called it the Captain America car.And then I ended up buying a 15 Mustang.I was still selling cars and it was about2018 when I got tired of allthe hours and just decided,you know, it's time for me to go fulltime with spraying cars.So I quit my day job and started offeringto do this for other people.Nice. 2018 you said?Yeah.Okay. Yeah. So you've been doing thissolo or sorry, as a fulltime gig for a little while now.Yeah, about five years. Yeah.It's been full time.It's just the dips forfive years. Holy smokes.I can't believe it'sbeen five years already.It seems longer because I've been workingwith this stuff since 2011.But yeah, yeah, 20182018 was the official.I quit my day job andstarted my own business.When was to your recollection, when didwhen did Plasti Dip, the DIY version,we'll kind of get into thelike the more pro stuff later on.When did you see thatreally start to catch traction?So let's just say 2011 iskind of roughly when it came out.When did you see it really start to takeoff and like lots ofinstallers and just lots ofquestions, lots of activity?Um, I'd say maybe within the last five orsix years, because Imean, back in the early days,we had the dip your car forum, you know,and that's where all ofus fellow dippers would geton and congregate in the old style likecomputer forums. And thenFacebook was what? Oh, Facebook,I don't even remember. I think 2010 iswhen maybe I started Facebook 2009.That didn't really start becomingmainstream for like the dip your carcommunities and stuff tillgosh, maybe like 1415, I think maybe. Andthen more people had access to it.I think there's more visibility and youknow, Fonzie did his thingand kept making videos andkept pushing and became more popular. Buteven even today, you know,there's still people who arelike, what's feelable paint? What'splastic? That what's liquidwraps? Like they don't evenknow they never even heard of anythinglike that. So, uh, you know, it's allabout, I try now to,you know, plastic awareness, you know,spread the love trying to get it outthere so that peopleactually know about this stuff. You know,the crazy thing, Jason, from myexperience, so I don'tknow how much you know about me and, youknow, doesn't reallymatter. But I actually come fromthe car detailing world and you wouldthink possibly you mightthink that everyone knowswhat ceramic coatings are. I feel likethat is more known than lastyear, but still it's the samething. It's like, you know, I've heard ofit because, you know, wecan't spray over it, you know,it's definitely can't do that. But yeah,there's people whoprobably know what's, you know,they still call PPF clear bra, you know?Yep. Yeah. And what's crazy is, you know,you will probably work for the rest ofyour life answering at leastonce a week to people saying,Oh, Plasti-Dep. I've never even heardabout that. It doesn't matterhow viral something goes. Itdoesn't matter how big something goes,because I can guaranteeyou to this day, you, there'sdetailers out there that are still havingconversations multipletimes a day with peoplelike ceramic coatings. What are what isthat? Like, I don't evenunderstand. So that's just tosay, you know, if there's people outthere that are listening that you don'tknow what people paintis or liquid wrap or whatever you mightwant to call it. It don'tbe surprised that you haven'theard of it before, because you there'stons and tons and tons ofpeople out there that have noidea this technology even exists. Infact, yeah, we actually just got backfrom auto mechanic inthe UK last we were there last week. AndI would say probably nineout of 10 people that came bythe booth. And we're talking abouthundreds of people who had noidea what peelable paint wasin the first place. And number two, thenthey go, Oh, so it'sPlasti-Dep. And I said, and the firstthing I say to him is, well, have youever seen Plasti-Dep look likethis? And then, well, no. AndI was like, okay, that's because there'sdifferent levels to peelable paint. Sowith that being said,when did you're going to have to help meout here? When didthe pro line as in likeauto flex first kind of come out becauseit's semi recent, right?Auto flex has been out for a while. Ijust never really workedwith it because I was, you know,for the longest time I was a DIY guy. Imean, it's been out for atleast six or seven years.But, you know, for up until five yearsago, I was only spraying basically justPlasti-Dep. You know,I didn't have a paint booth. I didn'thave a shop. So I, youknow, I didn't want to risk,you know, having a bad finish because Ididn't follow thedirections and spray, you know,at least in a clean garage or something.So actually, I actuallygot ahead of myself therefor a second. I wanted to ask you in theearly days of Plasti-Dep and even now,what would you say is some of the mostcommon things that peopleare not doing correctly whenit comes to spraying Plasti-Dep? And thenwe'll kind of tie the pro line or sorry,the auto flex line intothat here in a little bit.Um, it's just following the directions. Imean, Fonzie's videos arelike point blank in your face.This is how you do it right. This is theonly way to do it. And this is how you'regoing to get good results.And it's people who, I'm going toPlasti-Dep my wheels and I'm going to,and they're going to go,they go buy two cans of black and theyspray all four wheelswith two cans of black. Well,and then they don't even use it the fulltwo cans. Oh, they're blackafter two coats. That must beenough. And then they let them sit onthere for six months or ayear. And then it's cemented on orit starts flaking off because they didn'tuse enough product and theydidn't follow the directions.And then it's that person that says,well, Plasti-Dep's not goodstuff because it doesn't peel offor it flakes off. Well, that's becauseyou didn't do itright. If you do it right,you won't have any issues ever. I mean,I, in 10 years working orwhatever with these products,I've never really had any issues becauseI've always followed thedirections from day one.It is crazy to me that if you follow thedirections from thepeople that, you know,are the experts in it, you probably won'trun into an issue. Yeah. Andthis is like one of my favoritethings. So AutoFlex and how I want tokind of tie this on to AutoFlex isAutoFlex kind of used to beopen to everyone. And then quickly thathad to get repealed becauseit is a much more technicalproduct is probably what you say as afair way to say it. Sure.I would say it's probablyas close to painting with real paint as Icould imagine since I'venever actually painted withreal paint. But I mean, the base coats, Imean, even though you're using adifferent gun setup,then, you know, an electric turbine, Imean, the base coatprinciples are still the same.Fully wet out your coats and you're goingto have smooth product toput your gloss on, you know,I mean, it's it's it sprays very similarto Plasti Dip. Yeah. Yeah. Andthe reason why I bring that up is, youknow, we get a lot of flackfrom people when we tell themlike, hey, you know, sorry, we can't sellit to you because youdon't have a booth or you don'thave insurance or you don't have abusiness. You know, I think actuallythere was a guy on one ofthe Facebook groups that posted aboutthat, that he was upset thathe couldn't get it. It's like,I'm sorry, man, but we have there has tobe some sort of safeguardshere or else what ends uphappening is there's a whole bunch of badinstalls out there and then the wholebrand name just kindof goes down. But on the flip side ofthat, the one thing that we talked topainters and these areguys that are in actual body shops withactual paint booths, youknow, like full professionalsetups, you know, quote unquote. And oneof the first things thatthey love to tell you is howmany years of experience you haven't theyhave in painting. And I kindof like let them sit on thatfor a second. I say, that's great, butyou've never sprayed peelablepaint. So it doesn't matter.Yeah. Yeah. And then there's kind of somesilence and they're like,well, it's kind of the same thing,isn't it? I said, Nope. If you've neversprayed people paint, youare starting off at day one.You don't know what you're doing. So whatthe reason why I'm tellingyou that is when we tell youthis is the gun that you need to use.This is the tip that you need to use.This is the way that youneed to mask it and so on and so forth.Just understand thatthere's a reason why we're tellingyou that. And, you know, now once you getfamiliar with the product andlike you understand what itslimits are and everything like that, goahead and start venturingout, right? Start pushing theproduct to its limits. But if it's dayone and you've never doneit, you should probably justcrazy idea, follow the directions. Yep.So you have dumb plasticdip. It sounds like you'restarting to dip your toes into, you know,the AFX line as well.What? Yeah. What's kind of thereason why you've done done that? Just tooffer another level ofproduct, you know, like there'sa lot of money here in Austin and I meanCentral Texas in general,you know, I mean, I'm three anda half hours from Fort Worth, Dallas, I'mthree hours from Houston,an hour from San Antonio. Imean, that is a really big pool to pullfrom for business. So Iwanted to be able to offer thehigher end high gloss, you know, to justbecause not everybody likesa matte and a satin finish,you know, so I decided to just make thatas another thing sothat, you know, I can startdoing charging more and then, you know,start offering the higherend coatings to just makeit across the board. Hey, you want this?My specialty, the barnfind the dirty, rusty patina,I can do that. I can also make it looklike paint. And you wouldnever know the difference if Ididn't tell you that that car wasn'tpainted. So yeah. Andactually, would you mind in yourown words, just kind of explaining whatthe differences betweenPlasti Dip and AFX are?Like what was the reason why it even cameout in the first place? Sowith Plasti Dip and well,I mean, they did a good job when theycame out with Dip Armor.But you know, raw Plasti Dip,it's solvent based, so it's not solventresistant. And thatwas the biggest thing.You do this nice, you know, if I do abarn find theme doesn't matter if youspill gas on your car,it's just gonna make it look even cooler.But with a nice clean, youknow, matte white or somethinglike that, it's it's smooth, but thematte finishes and I think this goesacross the board for,you know, paint and vinyl wrap andeverything. Matt is kind of kind of aporous finish. So a lightercolor dirt tends to over time kind oflike embed itself and yougot to deep clean it. Well,when you do the Dip Armor over it, itmakes it a lot easier toclean it in the end and then withthe gloss, you know, to get the benefitsof that. And you know, youcan get any minor scratches orwhatnot, you can sand it, you can polishit. I mean, there's just,you basically just treat itjust like a new paint job and it's gonnablast until you're bored of it,basically, you know.Yeah. Now, this is not a slight againstPlasti Dip, but I couldn'tagree with you more that Iwith the downfalls of matte or satinfinishes to the point whereI if someone is asking me myopinion about a matte wrap, I just lookat them like, why would youbring that on to yourself?Yeah, it's like I don't even offer itanymore. Like I'm a minimum. You'regetting Dip Armor nomatter what, because just for theirsanity, for my sanity. Imean, if it's a family member orsomething, or if it's my own car, I knowhow to take care or ifit's a rust car. Obviously,I don't Dip Armor the patina cars. I justshoot matte top coat toseal it and protect it becauseagain, on that weathered, raised patinalook, it's gonna just keeplooking better the dirtier,more stained it gets over time. But yeah,anything else, lightcolors, scratch resistance,marra resistance. I mean, you get it'slike Dip Armor is a minimum for me now.This is, this kind of reminds me of acouple of years ago, I believeit, well, not really a coupleof years ago, but 2016, 2017. So youprobably know the SturgisRally, right? Yeah. Okay. So hugebike event. Oh, yeah. Sturgis, SouthDakota. And one year I go out there tohelp out with a bikiniwash. And I was not a bikini, but I'msure we would have broughtin a lot more money if I was.But anyways, they're, they're just sohappen to be, that waskind of the year that Indianmotorcycle company really got some salesand like there was a lot of Indianmotorcycles out therethat year. But the problem was thatIndian was offering amatte finish from the factory.Okay. And this is obviously paint. Andwhat ended up happeningwas, I ended up having a lot ofconversations with a lot of bikers whohad these 20, $30,000 bikes that hadthese matte finishes onit. And they had let the bugs sit toolong on the front ends. So they'd beclean, but then the bugshad actually marred the front end of it.And they're like, well, youdidn't clean it good enough. AndI said, no, it's actually etched now atthis point. And I had broughtmy polisher out and I was doingsome polishes and everything like that onbikes. And they're like, Oh,we'll just polished out. AndI said, I can't. Yeah, you're done. Andthen they don't believe me. And I said,and then I, finally,there was like a group of like these fiveor six Canadians all hadmatte finished out black Indianmotorcycles. And there's one guy who wasgetting mouthy with me and Isaid, okay, I tell you what,I will polish a very small section ofyour front fender. And Iwill get the bugs out for you.I said, however, I want it to be known.I'm not liable for mefucking up your paint. And he goes,yeah, yeah, whatever. It's fine. So thenI polished it, turned it shiny. He'slike, yeah, now turn itman. I said, Nope, sorry. Like that's notthe way it works. And hegoes, Oh, well, what do I do now?And I said, now you go get a brand newpaint job. Yeah. And hegoes, what? And I was like, yeah,you just literally paid, forced me to doa $5,000, $8,000 paintrepair on your bike. Likethat's you were going to have to do itanyways, but you wouldn'tlisten. Yeah. Yep. And anyways,so that is my, my dislike for mattefinishes is pretty extensive. And itkills me because I lovethe way matte finishes look. Because Imean, I've been talking,I've been talking to Fonzieand Scott for a while about a very mattefinish dip armor, becausethat would be amazing to me,because then you would get the, theresistance in the ease toclean with the finish that I love.But it's, I think there's just somethingin the chemical makeup thatdoesn't allow it to go for an extremematte, because then itstarts breaking down other thingsin the in the process that it justdoesn't work, which sucks. Because, man,a, a fuel resistancematte finish would be a dream, becausethen I would make that mystandard to Hey, you want Matt,cool. You want a little bit more machine?Do you say I might even cutthe satin out if I have moreof a matte finish, but, you know, just gofrom Matt to gloss.Because let's face it, the matteauto flex is basically satin, you know,which is fine. It's fine.It's still it looks very mattecompared to a high gloss, but itdefinitely has a sheen to it compared toa really dry, matte look.Hey guys, Adam from the podcast. I hopeyou are enjoying today'sepisode. Just wanted to ask youa quick favor. If the show has broughtyou value in some way, would you mindgiving us a review andsharing the show? It really helps theshow get out there. Also, if you arelooking to expand theservices that your shop offers and youwant to do more than collisionwork, you should really checkout our company Clarity coat. Claritycoat is a peelable paintthat allows body shops to offercolor changes cheaper than a repaintwhile still looking like real paint. Youcan also offer clearprotection that has no edges and issprayed instead of laid.Unlike vinyl and PPF, Claritycoat can be sanded and polished so youcan give your customer the exact lookthat they are wanting.If you are looking to expand your shopservices, go to claritycode.com and fill out our becomean installer form. All right, let's getback to the show. Andit's funny because, you know,we're talking about there's differentlevels to peelable paint.And now we're, now we're on tothe point of like now there's differentlevels of matte finishes,which if for anybody who doesn'tknow what we're talking about, if youtake someone like Jason and tell him Iwant a satin finish orI want a glossier satin finish or I wanta matte look like he couldspray three or four differentkinds of quote unquote matte finishes onone hood and you wouldimmediately tell the differencebetween them. And here's I think this isprobably one of the biggest things isthat when people askabout liquid wrap or Plasti Dip orAutoFlex or whatever it mightbe, I think one of the thingsthat is the strongest reason for one ofits one of its strengths, I guess Ishould say one of itsstrengths is the fact that you can getany variable, a huge amount of variableswhen it comes to thelooks, the color and everything likethat. Whereas vinyl, if you want mattered, you just get likewhat the manufacturer decided to makewhat their version of mattered was. And you might only getthree or four different colorways inthat. Whereas, you know, with yeah, ifeven because, you know,this might sound crazy, but mattefinishes even on wraps and everythinglike that don't really sellall that well comparatively to gloss.It's a very small minority of all salesbecause I think whatends up happening is you get a mattefinish once and then yourealize how much of a pain in thebud it is to keep up on it and then youjust don't get it again.One of the things that we,one of the questions I kind of got at theshow was, well, how comethis is the first time I'veever hearing about peelable paint and,you know, why do we nothear more about this? Andthis is, you kind of mentioned somethingearlier where you were doing vinyl beforeand there's been technological advancesin the last, let's justcall it eight years with vinylto make it where it's more accessible toeveryone. And that is ananalogy that I love to point topeople and I say, how long do you thinkthat vinyl has been around?And they go, I don't know,a decade. I was like, yeah, try more like20 years plus. Like it's been aroundsince, I don't know,90s. And I said, the reason why youdidn't hear about it or see it more wasbecause the technologyhadn't progressed to the point where lotsof people could use it. Andnumber two, like it was just,it was terrible to install. It was justnot good. I said, so whenpeople love to use that as anexample of peelable paint, I say, youneed to understand that Iknow and maybe you know, andthe people who are closest to peel paintknow that our time iscoming. It's just that thereis technological advances that had thatneed to happen are going tohappen that one day, everyone'sgoing to look back and say, oh, geez,like this took off like a rocket oreveryone's going to knowabout it or, you know, whatever. BecauseI mean, even even Plasti Dipitself has changed quite a bittechnological wise in just the lastdecade, right? You have diparmor now and so on and so forth.What are some of the most significantchanges that you've seen in this spacesince you've been in it?The performance series is another one,just because I know that they're takinglike solid bases in andadding pearls to it, which when thepearls are suspended in a more solidcolor base like that,like tactical green, we've all prettymuch most of us have seentactical green. And the pearls,when you do that as your final coat, it'slike the pearls help makethe top, the last coat likesmoother, slicker and almost harder in away than just like astandard matte black Plasti Dip,because pearls kind of like create thatbarrier, which is nice. Soyou can get a good matte finishout of a performance series withouthaving to do like your glossytop coat or your matte top coaton top of it, you know, like the old waywith, you know, sprayingyour base color and then mixingyour pearls in and then spraying yourpearls and then spraying your clear toseal the pearls. It'sjust like it was a nice advancement to,you know, take your threegallons of black base and thenyou've got your, you know, a couplegallons of a solid of agreen and then you got your greenpearl and then you got more top coat andyou're cutting the productback quite a bit by beingable to offer just a performance seriesthat you can spray, you know, two tothree gallons on topof your base coat and you're done. Youdon't have to mix pearls andworry about all that stuff. Sothat's probably one of the biggeradvancements, I think, was having thosealready mixed gallonsready to go with the pearls in them. Soyou don't have to worryabout all those steps becausesometimes for like, you know, DIY andbeginners, that's anadvanced process, you know, sprayingyour base color, you know, your blackbase color or whatever, andthen spraying your like pearlcolor and then spraying your pearls andthen spraying your clearon top of that. That's alot of stuff. When you cut it down tobase gallons and performance seriesgallons, you're cutting,you know, two or three gallons of productout and process and justkeeping it pretty simple.So yeah. And would you mind kind ofgiving for those people out there whomight not understandwhat the differences between all thesedifferent Plasti Dip levelsare where you have like, youknow, kind of like what you said, theperformance series, and thenyou have dip armor, and then youhave the pearls, the tints and everythinglike that is would youmind kind of giving a quicksynopsis of like the different levels toPlasti Dip because youhave your most basic level ofPlasti Dip, which is literally justgrabbing an aerosol can or whatever, andthen just spraying it.Well, and that's the thing with like theaerosol cans, if you'regoing to do a set of wheels,or you know, badges or trim or something,aerosols are still the bestway to do it. Like the most,there's it's the easiest and it's themost cost effective wayto change the color ofparts on your car without, you know, likeI said, having to spend aton of money. I mean, you couldyou could do it on a budget in a day inyour home garage for, youknow, 50 bucks in material maybe,and you can change the look of your car,which is great. And thenof course, you've got youryour standard Plasti Dip gallons, whichyou know, you can you cando, you know, your four or fivegallons of just flat black and you've gota flat black car, you cando a couple gallons of a of abase color, like a neutral base color,and then you can do your performanceseries on top of it,you can add your dip armor on top ofthat, you can still dopearls, you know, color shifts andhyper shifts. And I mean, all of thatstuff is still available to do withPlasti Dip and Prolineand AutoFlex. So Proline is like the nextlevel up, it's it can besprayed through a turbine,but it's preferred that it's sprayedthrough a compressor, itjust atomizes better. But ittakes a lot of coats, but it's it lays soridiculously smooth. Imean, it is a straightProline matte finish looks like mattepaint. I mean, it'samazing. And then you can dip armorthat and then of course, you've got youryour AutoFlex, which, you know,everything in base isclear, and you just tint your gallonshowever you want to do it. It's fullcreative control overwhatever you're doing. So I love thatpart of it, too. And youhave made a name for yourself,not only in this community, but kind ofon the interwebs, becauseyou do these, you do thesereally creative designs. Yeah, so I mean,my first car went in,you know, full send I didVon Gittin Jr's Monster Energy Mustang,and it was all stenciled. Ididn't put any stickers on thecar, I hand masked it, because I didn'thave a way to cut stencils wayback when. So every Monster Mwas hand masked on the car, all of thedesigns, the X's, everything on the carwas all done by hand.And, you know, people freaked out aboutit. I remember the veryfirst dip of the year,I was losing to a single color tealVolkswagen Beetle. I think there was apopularity vote there,too. But somebody had commented in thecomments, well, I don't seehow a flat black Mustang witha bunch of stickers is even close towinning against thisbeetle, blah, blah, blah. And,you know, even back then, people stillask, can I put stickers onPlasti Dip? Yes, obviously. Butso then I started posting pictures in thethread of my in process,because I never did that, youknow, showing that I had masked it,sprayed it and unmasked it. Andeverybody's like, Oh, okay,I retract my previous statements, I stilllost. But it was, I did ita little too late. But yeah,I mean, then it was just from there. Andthen I just kind of beenknown as the, the crazy guy whohas all the patience in the world for forthis stuff to do these. Imean, nobody showed me howto do it. I just figured it out. Ifigured out that I could doit. So I did it. And then, youknow, I went and did the Captain Americancar the next year, which was acombination of airbrushingin stencil graphics. And I did a decallivery on top of that,eventually, to make it a monsterenergy car. And, you know, just I lovedoing it. I love having these like ideasin my head and beingable to actually put it on on on avehicle. It's kind of like,it's kind of like I'm an artist,you know, and the car is my canvas. So Iget to be creative. And alot of times, like my customerssay, I want to do, you know, this andthis and this, but I want thiscolor. Can you do a rendering?No, I don't do renderings. I don't havePhotoshop. And if I did, I probablywouldn't know how to useit. So I literally just kind of listenedto them, take my notes. AndI haven't missed the mark yetwhen it comes to a customer vehicle. Asfar as you know, whattheir vision is for their car,I can I can usually knock it out on thefirst try. So it's, it's ait's a it's a knack, I guess,a little a very small niche. That'sawesome, man. Is there anotable car besides your ownthat you've done a really crazy design onor anything like that?Pretty much all of them. I mean, it'slike a, I always wonder howI'm going to top the last onethat I did. And then I end up topping thelast one that I did, youknow, like, I didn't think Icould top my Captain America car I didback in like 2014. Andthen, you know, I did a coupleof cool cars on mine, and then ended updoing a really nice. Myfirst my first rusty car was my,I did a golf livery on my 2015 Mustang.And then I ran that forabout eight, nine months.And then I'd seen a picture of a vinylwrap on a Ford GT thatlooked like it had been through arace. So it had like rub marks, and itwas like dirty, like it wassitting in a barn. I'm like,I wonder if I could do that on top of mylivery. So I remasked thewhole car and started doingartwork on top and made it look like adirty rusty, you know, barn fine rubbedand raced car that gotraced and just put away and forgottenabout. I'm guessing you didthat probably with like airbrushing, right? Because I would imagineit'd be really difficult toget like a good fade on likea rub mark without doing some sort ofair. No, my rub marks areall done by hand, actually, I,there's a video out there, Fonzie's gotit on the dip your carpage, I went and did their,their Mustang in a race, barn fine liverya couple years ago. Andliterally, I just kind of spray thearea with black. And then they take alittle bit of xylene on amicrofiber, and just kind of rubback and forth. And that's how I createthe rub marks. So they havea little bit of rub texture.So it makes them look kind of realistic.I'll put my nail throughthe, through the microfiber tocreate like little streaks. So it like,it's clean where my nailwent. So it's still blueunderneath. So it just creates that like,like a three dimensionalrub look to it. And it's justliterally spray some black and rub itwith a microfiber and that's it.And then like the rust and stuff that Iuse real iron powder, and I juststrategically place iton the car where I want it. If I want toconcentrate the rust more, I'll spray alittle bit of solventthrough to wet surface, and then I'llblow the powder onto thesolvent so it sticks more.Otherwise, the rest of it pretty muchjust free falls on thecar. And when I oxidize it,it creates all of the droplet look, thestaining the drips. Andthen I let that sit overnight.With fans on it to dry all of theoxidizer out. And then Ijust matte clear coat with,you know, matte top coat the next day andseals everything to the car and you gota rusty, dirty, rubbed and raised lookand you can wash it anddry it and do everything likenormal. It's just like, it looks like athree dimensional printedwrap, because you get thetexture of the rust too, which is whatblows people away. I justdid a, I just did a Herbie,a Herbie love bug on a new beetle. Andcustomers picking up the car the nextday, they said, Hey,can I take it to a car show? They'reright here in, in my town. Helike, Yeah, yeah, take it. Andeverybody kept the people will walk up,and they look at it. And thenthey look a little bit closer.And then they start to move their handlike they wanted to touchit. I'm like, it's okay,you can touch it. And then they touch it.And they're like, that feels real. I'm like, well,it is real rust, you know, and then Ispend the next 15 minutesexplaining the whole process. Andyou know, it's it's kind of a cool thingthat you get that, thatthree dimensional texture,which just kind of adds to the realism. Imean, obviously, it waslike a 2016 beetle. So we knowthat that car is mostly plastic, and it'snot going to rust like that. But you know, you do it on ayou know, you do it on a period correctvehicle, I had done a 59Chevy Apache truck at the end ofthe year last year. And the guy was justblown away. He's like, Inobody questions that truck,we go to car shows together out here inCentral Texas, and nobodyquestions they think it's anoriginal, you know, patina that wassitting somewhere andsomebody threw some nice interiorand some airbags on it. And if little dothey know, it's it's alldone with artwork. The guyloved that truck so much, he brought a 69Camaro to me. And thisyear, I ended up doing like abarn find Sonoko Camaro race car liveryforum. So it's kind ofneat, the little opportunitieslike that that open up from just doing agood job on one vehicle, it gets, youknow, get you noticed,and people just kind of fall in and wantto get stuff done. Yeah. And I thinksomething else that'sprobably worth repeating and notatinghere is that this is allpeelable. Like, yeah, yeah.You can literally just peel it off andthen get a different looknext year. And, and you're, yeah,and you're doing this cheaper than arepaint, like an actual repaint with realpaint and materials.Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't even know. I'veheard anywhere from 10 to15 grand to actually paint acar easy to do a good job and put thatway where, yeah, now I'm not doing thedoor jams or anythinglike that, but you can get that sameexact look for half the price, you know.Yeah. And, and not tomention the fact that it takes far lesstime because to, oh, yeah,peel the paint is going to be whatif it's done well, it's super easy to doto peel it. But numbertwo, it's non-destructive,meaning that, you know, that C, you saidit was a C70 pickup? It wasan Apache. Oh, sorry, Apache.So if, if that Apache had OEM paint onit, and instead of sandingoff all that OEM paint offto just do this, like, rusted look andeverything like that,which would just be,man, that'd be a travesty in and ofitself. You can do that look withoutharming the originalpaint underneath. And that was somethingthat, you know, we talked alot about with guys at theauto mechanic show. I said, a lot ofpeople think that the mostvaluable part of the car,the most expensive part of the car is themotor and the transmission.I tell them that doesn't evencome close to what the cost is of thepaint job and the value of maintainingthat OEM or originalpaint has. I said, ask any car collectorout there, any of them on aparticular car that they want,and then ask them, Oh, okay, if, if youwere to be able to pick upa 1967 Chevelle and it hadoriginal paint on it, ask them how much,how much more that car is nowworth. And it's worth so muchmore money because of that OEM paint. Andthe hard part is thatpeople typically look at,one, people don't understand the, the,uh, the complexities ofactual real paint. They don'tunderstand what it takes to do an actualgood paint job untilthey have to do it. And thenthey realize how expensive it is and howlong it takes and everything like that.Yeah. You got the labor of the sandingand the prepping and primer. And ifyou're doing all that,you know, it's a complete process whereyou don't have to sand anything here,which is great. And ifyou prep and clean and mask according tohow the product works, Imean, it's, you're gonna,it's gonna turn out just as good. Yep.Yeah. And on top of that,uh, like you said, you can,you can change it up every single yearwith minimal real downsideto it. Um, yeah. You justpeel it and then take it, take the timeto just think of anotherdesign or do something else,which again is what you're doing on yourown personal vehicles.Yeah. Yep. Change it up.Every well, I was going to change mine atthe beginning of theyear. Uh, because it was aKen block inspired livery. And then, uh,his tragic passing inJanuary, uh, I did put, uh, his,his number on the car and decal, and Iwas going to run thecar the rest of the yearin Ken block livery as a tribute vehicle.So, uh, plus I'm likebooked two months out right now.So I'm at least two months away frombeing able to doanything to my car anyways.But I already, I already know what I'mdoing to it next. So it'sgoing to be obnoxious again,which is good. That's what gets people inthe doors, seeingsomething bright and wild. And,uh, when you're going to these car showswith these, with thesecars, what is like the mostcommon question that you're getting from,from people? Is that a wrap?That every time, every time. Um, and youknow, it's funny becauseI've gotten questions frompeople. Do you only do Mustangs too? Iget that question a lotbecause, you know, I mean,we're central Texas, it's like Mustangcountry here and everybody's gotmy body style Mustang, but they're allblack and blue and redand white, you know, like,okay, you got a little bit different setof wheels. Okay. Yourshas got turbos on it,you know, but they all look the same. SoI got a small group of guys that gottogether. And I mean,we've got my own, my car, I've got thegolf car. I've got thatgreen, the black fade on the RTR.I did. I've got the P4, you warhawk carwith the red front end and the shark mouth. Soit's, it's nice that these people cantake these cars thateverybody has and make them one-offsand then they pull into a car show andtheirs doesn't look likefive other ones sitting there.So that's kind of what I think people areattracted to hereanyways. That's why I'vegot such a big Mustang following, Iguess, because I can make them lookdifferent and make them looklike that. Everybody else is Mustang. Soyeah. All right. Well, Jason, I'm Matt.Well, Jason, I mean, we're kind of comingup close to an hour. Is thereanything that you wanted to,any closing thoughts or final thoughtsthat you wanted to tellpeople other than, you know,just kind of like your socials andeverything like that sopeople can follow along with you?Yeah, definitely visit my socials. Don'tworry about YouTube. Ihaven't uploaded anything inlike a year because, you know, withrunning a small business, you know,you're, I'm just happyI can keep up with, you know, normalsocial media posts. I don't have thecapacity to think of cameraangles and filming a full car from startto finish. So definitely keepup with the social stuff andsee what's coming out of here next. I gota, got a Viper sittinghere right now that I've beenworking on. Weather has been hot. So mywindow is limited on doingstencil work. But this is arepeat customer. I did a Viper for himlast year and he broughtme another one. So awesome.Must be rough to have more than oneViper. Yeah. He's got like four or fiveof them. It's ridiculous.And what is your, what is your socials?Just the dips on Instagram and Facebook.Um, don't go to TikTok either. I can'tfigure that platform out. Iknow it's the same as makingreels. I just don't like doing thingstwice. So I post on Instagram. Itautomatically posts toFacebook and I'm done. Well, man, thanksso much for taking time outof your busy day to, uh, tocome out of the podcast and talk aboutpeople will paint really do appreciateit. Uh, for sure. It isdefinitely product that I am a bigbeliever in and anything Ican do to help spread Plasti Dipand peelable paint awareness is good for,for everybody. So totallyagree. And obviously I'ma little bit biased when I say that.Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Allright, man. Same thing.I, uh, I hope you have a good day andthanks again for coming onto the show.Thanks, man. We'll talk to you later.You've been listening to the auto bodypodcast presented by claritycode. 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