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Robert, I really"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2950.93,"endTime":2953.4799999999996,"body":"loved having you sit in this."},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2950.93,"endTime":2953.4799999999996,"body":"This is, this is a good"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2953.4799999999996,"endTime":2956.4199999999996,"body":"conversation, less rancor than"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2953.4799999999996,"endTime":2956.4199999999996,"body":"usual, which was a pleasure for"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2956.4199999999996,"endTime":2956.66,"body":"me."},{"speaker":"Robert Cruickshank","startTime":2958.58,"endTime":2960.08,"body":"Well, this"},{"speaker":"Robert Cruickshank","startTime":2958.58,"endTime":2960.08,"body":"is one of the, this is one of"},{"speaker":"Robert Cruickshank","startTime":2960.08,"endTime":2961.8799999999997,"body":"the few issues where Sandeep is"},{"speaker":"Robert Cruickshank","startTime":2960.08,"endTime":2961.8799999999997,"body":"not wrong."},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2962.2999999999997,"endTime":2965.4199999999996,"body":"There you go, yeah,"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2962.2999999999997,"endTime":2965.4199999999996,"body":"that's a great place to end it."},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2965.4199999999996,"endTime":2968.2099999999996,"body":"He's Robert crookshank, Robert,"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2965.4199999999996,"endTime":2968.2099999999996,"body":"thank you so much for joining"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2968.2099999999996,"endTime":2968.4199999999996,"body":"us."},{"speaker":"Sandeep Kaushik","startTime":2968.45,"endTime":2969.5899999999997,"body":"Oh, thank you"},{"speaker":"Sandeep Kaushik","startTime":2968.45,"endTime":2969.5899999999997,"body":"for having me on"},{"speaker":"Sandeep Kaushik","startTime":2969.7099999999996,"endTime":2973.5499999999997,"body":"He's Sandeep Kaushik. Deep."},{"speaker":"Sandeep Kaushik","startTime":2969.7099999999996,"endTime":2973.5499999999997,"body":"sadeep, not wrong on one issue,."},{"speaker":"Sandeep Kaushik","startTime":2973.79,"endTime":2974.4199999999996,"body":"There you go"},{"speaker":"Sandeep Kaushik","startTime":2974.72,"endTime":2975.68,"body":"yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2975.85,"endTime":2978.25,"body":"I'm David Hyde. Our"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2975.85,"endTime":2978.25,"body":"editor is Quinn Waller, and"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2978.43,"endTime":2984.97,"body":"thanks everybody so much for"},{"speaker":"David Hyde","startTime":2978.43,"endTime":2984.97,"body":"listening. You"}]}