Episode 207 - Breaking Down Case Hits, The State of the Hobby, Mailbag Questions

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00:00:10.65
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 207 of the Comp This MBA Trading Card Podcast, where your hosts Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.

00:00:23.84
Adz
Russell, how are you? It's been a...

00:00:26.75
Russell Gibson
Very good today. How are you at? How is everyone at home?

00:00:28.51
Adz
ah

00:00:30.06
Russell Gibson
Hope you're well.

00:00:30.13
Adz
hope I hope everybody's well getting through the playoffs um as we are. It's been some interesting games. It's been some very close games.

00:00:40.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:00:41.21
Adz
It's been some very not so close games.

00:00:43.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:00:46.11
Adz
Yeah, but it's that time of the year.

00:00:46.50
Russell Gibson
Games with a lot of skill.

00:00:46.91
Adz
It's good. Yeah, yeah.

00:00:49.23
Russell Gibson
They also try a lot harder in the playoffs too. That's the the thing that noticed the most. As soon as playoffs come around, everything, the intensity just turns up a lot. It's just so good to see professional athletes trying as hard as they can.

00:01:02.36
Adz
yeah Do you have a favourite series at the moment?

00:01:06.51
Russell Gibson
I'm pretty interested in

00:01:06.59
Adz
I'm on Clippers Nuggets as as the one that I'm intrigued by.

00:01:10.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, I was really happy to see Detroit beat the Knicks the other day. like i definitely enjoyed that. and then it's good to see Houston in the playoffs. I don't think they're going to win in that series.

00:01:21.81
Adz
Wow, you reckon the 7th seed Warriors are going to get them undone? I know they they took the game today, game three, but...

00:01:29.13
Russell Gibson
I assume that's what's going to happen.

00:01:31.04
Adz
Yeah, yeah. The experience of Steph with playoff Jimmy. Well, Jimmy didn't play today, so.

00:01:35.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:01:36.36
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:37.05
Russell Gibson
That's been fun. And then I think the game I watched today, which I was just like, it was just really high quality basketball. And the thing that i couldn't get over is just how everyone on the Thunder can just do a little bit of everything.

00:01:48.81
Russell Gibson
Like watching Chet Holgram dribble and pull up from the perimeter and watching the passing from their big guys and then watching their guards play inside.

00:01:50.74
Adz
Yeah.

00:01:58.07
Russell Gibson
Like it's just such a fun brand of basketball that they play in.

00:02:03.18
Adz
Yeah.

00:02:03.87
Russell Gibson
I hate to keep going back to Andrew Bogut's crappy take that he said a while back about how every team in the NBA is the same. It's like, I think if you're looking back on the NBA from the 80s and you're watching highlights and you have rose-colored glasses on, like, of course the basketball was better.

00:02:18.53
Russell Gibson
Like, the the highlights were better. The two seconds or the two minutes of highlights, of course they are.

00:02:20.75
Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
But if you actually sit down and watch an entire 48 minutes,

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Adz
um

00:02:27.24
Russell Gibson
and watch the average skill level of the, you know, the 20 guys that get out into the court, it is amazing. And that Thunder game today was just a really good game of basketball. So you probably don't need to watch the first three games from that series, to be honest. You can just watch that one game and then, okay, that's enough from that series and move on.

00:02:44.42
Adz
Yeah, well, I don't know.

00:02:45.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:45.86
Adz
The total the the net total of the Clippers' Nuggets is like seven or eight points, isn't it, between three games?

00:02:54.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:02:54.40
Adz
it's that's That's insane. and Yeah, it looks like my...

00:02:57.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It might be one of those series where you actually need to watch every single game to like get your head around it all. yeah

00:03:03.62
Adz
to To get around what what's what's going on there, and and that's turning it to be a good series.

00:03:06.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:08.58
Adz
It looks like my lovely Lakers have come across...

00:03:10.56
Russell Gibson
I was going to say, we need to touch on your Lakers, like, surely.

00:03:12.32
Adz
Well, that matchup's probably the worst matchup the Lakers could get.

00:03:12.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:16.31
Adz
um And they're being exposed in certain areas. But it's interesting.

00:03:19.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:20.15
Adz
Jackson Hayes played barely any minutes because of Rudy Gobert. And it's it's nice to see the adjustments. Although LeBron went off in game three, couldn't get ah put't get the job done.

00:03:32.44
Adz
Anthony Edwards was very complimentary. Like LeBron was on a mission, but yeah, they shut Luka down some for years.

00:03:36.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:03:39.65
Russell Gibson
The confidence of that Edward So, did you see what he got fined for the other day?

00:03:44.16
Adz
No, what?

00:03:45.49
Russell Gibson
It's not podcast material, but he basically said to one, use trash talk was going on between him and someone in the crowd.

00:03:45.57
Adz
Yep.

00:03:52.28
Russell Gibson
And I'm trying to think of way I can say this on the podcast. He basically said, I've got $200 million dollars and a um and a rooster that's bigger than yours.

00:04:02.13
Adz
Yep. yeah Okay.

00:04:05.25
Russell Gibson
Which was caught on, you know, video slash audio.

00:04:07.10
Adz
Wow. ah

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Russell Gibson
The confidence, the swagger of this guy.

00:04:11.35
Adz
and it Anthony Antman's got, yeah, yes, definitely is overburdened with confidence.

00:04:23.65
Russell Gibson
All righty. So this week, the primary focus is going to be on mailbag. That's what we are predominantly going be doing today. It has been quite a while since we've done a mailbag.

00:04:31.37
Adz
I like it.

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Russell Gibson
So thank you to everyone who has contributed to the mailbag on Insta and also on Facebook.

00:04:37.07
Adz
Hmm. Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
I actually didn't check if we had any Twitter.

00:04:47.19
Adz
Does that still exist? Twitter?

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Russell Gibson
I actually still post on Twitter. I actually really like Twitter. I'm not going to lie to you.

00:04:52.24
Adz
Of course, of course.

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Russell Gibson
No, we didn't have any responses on Twitter, but that's okay. All right. So why don't we start on Facebook? I've sorted the post by all comments.

00:05:02.18
Adz
Yep, I've sorted it by all comments. So,

00:05:05.11
Russell Gibson
And speaking of looking through the world with rose-colored glasses, let's go to James Gregory's first question.

00:05:05.30
Adz
so

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Russell Gibson
Our top five best matchups for the early ninety s

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Adz
Does he mean players or teams?

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Russell Gibson
i'm I'm going to interpret this as players and I'm going to stretch this and and be a little bit cheeky and go the 80s too because I loved...

00:05:27.85
Adz
Late 80s.

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Russell Gibson
I'm just going to, yeah, look, my memory is pretty hazy at this point. And I didn't do any fact checking on this. So bear with me. So Olajuwon versus Shaq in the finals. That for me was just a fantastic series.

00:05:41.95
Russell Gibson
I think also too, it was really entertaining in terms of the pace that they played.

00:05:46.43
Adz
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
So the Houston Rockets team the year before, they went ultra big. So they had Robert Horry at the three. they had Otis Thorpe at power forward and then Hakeem at center. So just an insanely huge lineup.

00:05:59.27
Russell Gibson
Then the following year, they needed to add a bit more talent to the team though, like down on the doldrums a little bit. So then they traded for Clyde Drexler and the the best spot for him was at the three, which of course is, you know, playing him out of position and,

00:06:12.36
Adz
Well out, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
at a smaller you know spot, right? So then that pushed Robert Horry to the four. And then it just became this like really wide open team. They lots of space. They shot a whole lot of three-pointers, well, relatively for that time.

00:06:24.32
Russell Gibson
And then Akeem just went basically one-on-one with Shaq the whole time. like It was a really great series. And on the other end, Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, Horace Grant was there. It was just a great series. is that one.

00:06:35.09
Russell Gibson
I've also got really fond memories of Dennis Rodman battling against like Magic Johnson and Dennis Rodman battling against, and I'm talking about young Dennis Rodman when he was like an ultra athlete and he could move his feet and he was like a perimeter defender and him defending Jordan.

00:06:50.79
Adz
Okay.

00:06:51.54
Russell Gibson
I love that. So I'm going to cheat a little bit. I'll say that's, that's my second one.

00:06:56.47
Adz
Yep.

00:06:59.34
Russell Gibson
I really liked that Jordan, Gary Payton matchup. I thought that was again, that was like a finals one again.

00:07:05.39
Adz
Okay.

00:07:05.94
Russell Gibson
That was really good.

00:07:06.50
Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
And then I had this really old school video of Rasheed Wallace.

00:07:13.04
Adz
Ha ha ha ha.

00:07:13.45
Russell Gibson
who Who is he matched up with? Look, I can't even really remember. Oh, do you know what? It was against ah David Robinson and Tim Duncan of the Spurs. that That was another one that I had a lot of joy watching that one.

00:07:20.72
Adz
It's bit later in the 90s.

00:07:27.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah, umm no when he played for Portland, yeah, maybe early 90s. That would have been early 90s. Or maybe I've got my times wrong.

00:07:36.63
Adz
It's, um yeah, ah look, my my my my one of my earliest earliest memories is obviously, going go into the late 80s and say it's Bird and Magic.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:46.89
Adz
um as far as as far as best matchups. like they they

00:07:50.97
Russell Gibson
But did you watch those games in as like replays though?

00:07:52.91
Adz
That was like in the late when we first got, it was like the Australian equivalent of cable. It was like pay television for the first time ever.

00:08:02.78
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:08:04.59
Adz
but We finally got es like we got ESPN and they would show

00:08:07.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Right.

00:08:09.98
Russell Gibson
Like old games.

00:08:11.17
Adz
Yeah, like, well, that they would they would show games because I was like 1990 1989. nine ninety ninety ninety eighty nine I don't know when we got it. But I was in primary school still.

00:08:19.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, see i I didn't have any access at all to those games so much later because I don't even remember watching those games until they're on like NBA.com, like the instant classics or the classic vault or whatever it's called out of that, you know, so, yeah.

00:08:28.02
Adz
Yeah.

00:08:31.79
Adz
Yeah. No, they would – because I used to be able to watch the the early 90s. I'd be be able to watch the playoffs and things like that. So um so the first things i I did see were highlights of of Magic and and Bird.

00:08:41.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:47.13
Adz
um Obviously, that was just Lakers-Celtics, that rivalry. But then it was Jordan and Barkley in the early 90s.

00:08:55.51
Russell Gibson
Oh, that's a good one.

00:08:56.91
Adz
you've got um You've got Jordan v.

00:08:57.14
Russell Gibson
That's a good one. Yeah.

00:08:58.95
Adz
the Pistons. as far as just the the bad boys.

00:09:02.24
Russell Gibson
But who defended Jordan in that series? it was more like Dan Marley.

00:09:04.84
Adz
didn't they all just Didn't they all just beat... Oh, no, I was going to say the Pistons. They all just beat the crap out of him.

00:09:08.70
Russell Gibson
i remember Tom Chambers like matched up with him a little bit, but yeah.

00:09:11.99
Adz
Yeah, yeah. But it was always in there. It was the keys to the game were always...

00:09:16.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah, Jordan. and And yeah, that's true.

00:09:17.80
Adz
Barkley was either...

00:09:18.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:18.94
Adz
Barkley got off the the chain for the for the Suns or or Jordan did Jordan things.

00:09:22.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:24.36
Adz
um Yeah, yeah. The other was obviously the Pistons versus... The bad boy Pistons versus... um

00:09:33.16
Adz
mj

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Russell Gibson
I mean, you want to talk about basketball that's unattractive and boring. That was like that was not a great series. like that Aesthetically, was not a fantastic series.

00:09:42.14
Adz
that was like That was like watching early days of UFC, wasn't it?

00:09:42.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:45.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:48.14
Adz
NBA UFC crossovers, play Detroit versus the Chicago Bulls.

00:09:49.73
Russell Gibson
No.

00:09:51.93
Adz
Yeah.

00:09:52.19
Russell Gibson
No.

00:09:52.90
Adz
um It definitely wasn't wasn't it wasn't as pretty in the um in the early ninety s

00:10:00.06
Russell Gibson
no

00:10:01.13
Adz
um But i think I think most of you, to the top five would come from the likes of a Jordan highlight reel. It's like watching Jordan match up in a variety of ways.

00:10:11.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Makes me want to go back and watch some old Lakers games, actually. That's what I've taken away from this question.

00:10:15.52
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:10:17.27
Russell Gibson
Did you have any more you wanted to add before we move on?

00:10:19.64
Adz
I think Magic versus Jordan is the other one.

00:10:21.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:21.52
Adz
that was That was one of the big ones for me.

00:10:23.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:24.08
Adz
um And like when the the Bulls dethroned

00:10:28.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:28.95
Adz
um the Lakers.

00:10:31.64
Russell Gibson
And you can relatively watch...

00:10:32.29
Adz
That was a passing of the torch moment, right?

00:10:34.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:36.85
Adz
Yeah.

00:10:36.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you can watch those games relatively easy now too. It's kind of awesome.

00:10:38.87
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:10:40.97
Russell Gibson
James Gregory, what do you guys think that Vince Carter's c career would have been like if he had stayed with the Raptors and Tracy McGrady? So I think if he had have stayed there, which if I remember correctly, that didn't end acrimoniously. It was like it was a very bad breakup.

00:10:57.65
Adz
Mm.

00:10:58.52
Russell Gibson
Tracy McGrady would have left anyway and gone to the Magic. So then it would have been Vince Carter by himself.

00:11:05.97
Adz
very Very similarly, is i think, is the the view.

00:11:07.57
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:11:12.24
Russell Gibson
Look, I think Vince Carter was a bit like Jimmy Butler in some ways. I feel like no matter where you put him, he was always going to you know request a trade or you know be moved on to the next place. yeah like So I think those players are a bit, they are what they are. Look, I actually think it's a shame Vince didn't get a championship in the end.

00:11:29.64
Adz
would have been nice.

00:11:30.61
Russell Gibson
I would have liked it if he just went and sat on the end of the Warriors bench and you know, just got a championship or sat on the, whoever on the nuggets bench, that would have been good.

00:11:41.64
Adz
Could do an episode on that. There should have been champions.

00:11:44.57
Russell Gibson
Oh, that would take, that would not be a timeless moment.

00:11:47.14
Adz
Malone, Stockton, Barkley.

00:11:49.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:50.48
Adz
Yep. To begin. Yeah, plenty. Plenty of players have never won a champion.

00:11:54.20
Russell Gibson
Matt Harper, is it roast beef on the cards instead of chicken? So I think for context, a while ago, we did a segment where people sent in voicemail and Matt Harper sent in a roast chicken recipe, which was like absolutely on point.

00:12:07.33
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:12:14.48
Adz
Did you ever try that recipe?

00:12:14.51
Russell Gibson
So Matt Harper,

00:12:19.73
Russell Gibson
I feel like I would get into trouble if I cooked Matt Harper's chicken recipe my wife's kitchen. My wife is like very territorial.

00:12:28.20
Adz
Fair, fair.

00:12:28.21
Russell Gibson
I'm only allowed access to the kitchen at very designated times, honestly.

00:12:31.78
Adz
Could be, could just say it's podcast related.

00:12:31.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:34.06
Adz
Say you're going to do a live, go YouTube, like on um Instagram and cook.

00:12:37.87
Russell Gibson
I can categorically tell you what she would say. It would be something the on the language in the lines of Anthony Edwards, what he was saying to the fans, honestly.

00:12:46.20
Adz
Really? Okay. So you need to be like, go to an Airbnb on a way trip and go, okay, now I've got a kitchen to myself.

00:12:47.23
Russell Gibson
She's quite protective. Yeah.

00:12:56.01
Russell Gibson
That's right.

00:12:56.33
Adz
That's it.

00:12:56.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:57.09
Adz
We're cooking, cooking chicken.

00:12:57.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we're calling you out, Matthew matthew Harper. We need another recipe from you. Come on, mate.

00:13:04.39
Adz
Some updates.

00:13:04.44
Russell Gibson
Send that in.

00:13:05.23
Adz
Yep.

00:13:05.74
Russell Gibson
Yep. Alrighty. So this next question is from David Ralph, but I think we'll put that on hold for two seconds because that's going to take us a while to get through.

00:13:14.82
Adz
Okay.

00:13:18.16
Russell Gibson
We'll skip Mark Smith's because it's not really a question. It's more of a statement. And actually, Christopher Haylock, I think he's saying, should Christopher Haylock come on as a special guest?

00:13:29.38
Russell Gibson
With all due respect, I've not met Christopher. So maybe that's something that we can do in the future. Maybe at the Hobby Hangout, we can make acquaintances and we can find out why Christopher should come on to the podcast.

00:13:34.51
Adz
Okay.

00:13:37.48
Adz
I like that.

00:13:41.76
Adz
Intriguing.

00:13:42.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So let's do Scotty James's. Who do you think will be Cade Cunningham type breakup player to chase from this past draft class? So does he mean the 2024 draft? Is that the question, Scotty James?

00:13:59.45
Russell Gibson
Let's pretend that that is the question. This is actually a kind of fun one because I was thinking about this the other day.

00:14:06.04
Adz
So from the 2024 draft class are we talking?

00:14:06.97
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:14:09.03
Adz
Okay.

00:14:11.82
Russell Gibson
Look, I think, all right, let's show let's short this list this down a little bit, okay? So I don't think Rishishare is going to be a breakout guy. i think Alex Sarr isn't going to be either.

00:14:25.23
Russell Gibson
i think Stefan Kassel has potential, Ron Holland. And then I think the third one that i was going to nominate here was Dillingham. Was anyone else you wanted to add to that list?

00:14:36.74
Adz
Well, um I mean, there are a few here that have already already done well, as in you've got Castle in and

00:14:46.49
Adz
who's yeah who's the one that got injured from the 76ers? McCain.

00:14:51.34
Russell Gibson
McCain, yep.

00:14:53.73
Adz
um i don't think I don't think you really see who who the Cade-level ones are until and until that second year.

00:15:02.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:05.13
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:07.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. I think that's exactly the the point of his question.

00:15:08.09
Adz
I think mccain mccain McCain might be the one, actually, um or Jalen Wells.

00:15:09.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:15.26
Russell Gibson
Okay. Tell me why you think Wells is a...

00:15:17.02
Adz
well Well, I'm thinking i'm i'm thinking well Wells, I don't think he's given enough opportunities with the Grizzlies. He he was injured, wasn't he?

00:15:24.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think it's been both.

00:15:27.69
Adz
I'm pretty – yeah.

00:15:28.03
Russell Gibson
I think that the emergence of Scottie Pippen Jr.

00:15:29.97
Adz
ah But I think the recovery from – yeah.

00:15:32.30
Russell Gibson
is... And he played really well today, by the way, too. I think that's the other we should probably add right now. Yeah.

00:15:36.93
Adz
Agreed, agreed.

00:15:37.14
Russell Gibson
There's a good reason why that... Look, the Memphis Grizzlies actually really good at drafting. They are fantastic.

00:15:43.79
Adz
o

00:15:44.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:45.76
Adz
so the I mean, rather than ah the the big thing, I think um McCain was was leading rookie of the year for for a lot of the start of this year.

00:15:55.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

00:15:57.60
Adz
and then And then season was cut short by injury.

00:16:03.15
Adz
i think it's those players that you need to keep an eye on, the ones that have already shown glimpses and then got injured. Because that's what Cade went through. And Cade ca got injured in his rookie season and then struggled with injury the next season.

00:16:17.84
Adz
And it sort of masked the cap of his potential.

00:16:21.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:23.66
Adz
And then this season, after getting sort of a lot of games last season, he's really just shot through.

00:16:29.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:29.68
Adz
um i think that's looking at injuries would be my my way of sort of trying to pick diamond in rough, so to speak.

00:16:40.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:42.86
Russell Gibson
All right. I'm going to go Dillingham and he ticks a few boxes off straight away. He's young. He plays at guard and currently he's on a club that is very veteran heavy and he was never going to be getting minutes in front of Conley, Mike Conley anyway.

00:16:59.84
Russell Gibson
So I think the first 12 months in my mind, that was always going to be a bit of a write-off.

00:17:00.79
Adz
Yep.

00:17:04.64
Russell Gibson
He's 20 years old. For context, Jared McCain is 21. So he's still got another full 12 months of development before he gets to McCain's point of this year. And he's three years younger than Edwards, just for like NBA perspective and relevancy.

00:17:14.28
Adz
Yep.

00:17:18.98
Russell Gibson
Looking at 130point.com, his silvers are just selling for $5 US a piece.

00:17:19.01
Adz
Yeah.

00:17:24.78
Russell Gibson
Looking at some of the numbered stuff, the orange to 125 sold for $23. number 99 sold for 41. To 299, it sold for $3

00:17:29.72
Adz
Yep.

00:17:30.15
Russell Gibson
And there was mojo here that sold for 373. So... two ninety nine

00:17:33.19
Adz
Okay. Hmm. Yep.

00:17:34.50
Russell Gibson
and sold for three dollars u s and there was a mojo here that sold for three seventy three so Sorry, the Mojo is a number to 25, just FYI. So actually, i think this says a lot to me because it seems to me like you know the lower numbered stuff, the unnumbered stuff, it's cheap.

00:17:52.99
Adz
yeah

00:17:53.79
Russell Gibson
I think that's you know that's really fair to say. But what this also says to me too with that lower numbered stuff where it's going for significantly higher, there has to be some collectors out there who are just snapping this guy up and putting away for it like for a future time.

00:18:09.14
Russell Gibson
So I'm going to say Dillingham is the guy that I've got my eye on just because of the things that I said in terms of age, the position, like the team that he went to and then moving forward into the future.

00:18:13.50
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:17.82
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:20.67
Russell Gibson
um You know, collectors love guards.

00:18:21.78
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:22.94
Russell Gibson
I think that's as simple as I can make it.

00:18:25.97
Adz
That's a really good point.

00:18:26.51
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:18:27.08
Adz
Yeah.

00:18:27.37
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:18:28.52
Adz
I don't know. um Does Bronnie James kind of come under that?

00:18:32.28
Russell Gibson
I think no. I think no.

00:18:37.43
Russell Gibson
Let's go to a break.

00:18:38.76
Adz
Yeah, let's do it.

00:18:39.80
Russell Gibson
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00:19:00.74
Russell Gibson
The... Product that i initially fell in love with is the OneTouch Magnetics. They also have a sleeve inside of the card. So in terms of protecting the surfaces, the edges, also the sides of the card, your corners, everything is then protected in a magnetic, in a penny sleeve.

00:19:18.86
Russell Gibson
The technology and also the production of it means that the visibility of the card is absolutely flawless. And also the card comes with a protective layer that you peel. Sorry, the one touch comes with a protective layer that you peel off when you purchase it. So it's absolutely flawless, never being touched by a person. Now, Team GTI is absolutely prolific on Instagram videos. So at the moment, they've been doing a whole series of videos.

00:19:44.16
Russell Gibson
One of the ones they did recently too, he was showcasing his ultra tight penny sleeves going into top loaders and then into bags. And actually, I thought that's another really clean way to do it.

00:19:55.92
Russell Gibson
I have to admit, I do that with my own cards, but just using different brands. I really like that because my sort of train of thought is, you know, what do you pay for a top loader these days? 25 cents to 30 cents and a bag costs you like one cent.

00:20:08.53
Russell Gibson
Your top loaders get scratched so easily, then you can just refresh your bags every now and again.

00:20:12.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:20:12.88
Russell Gibson
So I definitely like that. We're going to hold in the chamber a little bit for later on into the show because he did a video ah this week about getting a ah rare slab, rare edition case and opening that up.

00:20:29.39
Russell Gibson
We'll talk more about that later in the show. Anyway, go to GameTimeInternational.com where you can buy all of your protection needs there.

00:20:49.39
Russell Gibson
And we are back. Adam, how are you feeling, buddy?

00:20:53.75
Adz
I'm good. I'm good. This is enjoyable. Diving into this ah lovely mailbag of questions we've been given.

00:20:58.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:01.33
Russell Gibson
all Alrighty, so this next one we deliberately left until after the break on purpose. This is from David Ralph. Not sure if you guys have done this before, but maybe rate case hits from the highest rarity to the lowest, e.g. color blasts, blank slates, downtowns, etc. Now, before we begin to answer this, this is a very hard question to answer, and I don't think that I've actually technically given you...

00:21:25.39
Russell Gibson
ah the definitive answer of it. However, ah did spend a bit of time on this, putting it together. So what I decided to do was choose one player and I chose a player, which I thought there'd be a reasonable amount of data on. So I chose Steph Curry.

00:21:41.50
Russell Gibson
And then from that, I went through his card ladder. I did some Google searches. i went on eBay and had a look and chose some cards that I thought would be good to include into a list. I think that there is the potential for you to do kabooms and downtowns.

00:21:57.26
Russell Gibson
And that's about it because there's so many different years of kabooms and downtowns and also they're very collectible. So there's a lot of data on that.

00:22:05.53
Adz
yeah

00:22:05.63
Russell Gibson
And our list does contain contain more than one downtown and also more than one kaboom. So I will admit that, but also too, I added in different types of case hits. So for example, I did the micro mosaic.

00:22:18.27
Russell Gibson
I did the stained glass. I did the Prismania. And all of those come from different tiered products in terms of when I say tiering, I'm talking about price points.

00:22:28.88
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:29.66
Russell Gibson
And so the other thing that really... shown out to me when it turned comes to the data of these, and we'll talk about this a little bit more as to, think the influence of when the product was released and what impact that has on the population count.

00:22:45.16
Russell Gibson
And I really, this is a time when I'd love to get Ryan's insights onto something like this, because I actually think a little bit of this data is interesting and I think it's useful, but at the same time, I'm also beginning to wonder if

00:22:50.47
Adz
yeah

00:22:58.20
Russell Gibson
not that it's useless, but actually perhaps what this does tell, what I'm going to reflect on this is, what does it mean to a card's population? And I'm using air quotes at this time.

00:23:09.92
Russell Gibson
We're talking about the documented population of a card over time, you know, what happens to that card? So we'll talk about that a little bit later on. So, so add, if you open up the, the sheet,

00:23:18.44
Adz
Yeah.

00:23:23.30
Russell Gibson
the Google sheet and we look at card number one, it's the 2016 studio, Steph Curry downtown.

00:23:31.00
Adz
It is.

00:23:32.97
Russell Gibson
And if you click on the link that's there, hopefully this will take you to card ladder and it'll take you to a lovely picture of it.

00:23:37.47
Adz
Card letters history. Yep.

00:23:40.17
Russell Gibson
And people at home, if you are listening and you'd like to have a browse through the photos, I've put all of these up onto our Instagram. So guys, please go to at you can't comp this.

00:23:52.57
Russell Gibson
And you'll see a lovely picture of ah Steph Curry Aurora. So click on that. And then you can just really quickly flick through all the cards that we're about to talk about. I put them all into our post there.

00:24:01.16
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:04.85
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So the 2016, I started with this card, the downtown, because for me, this is such an iconic card.

00:24:09.50
Adz
Mm.

00:24:12.21
Russell Gibson
And really, ah i almost feel this is one of the true sort of, for me, case hits of where it all started and,

00:24:19.03
Adz
Yep. Yeah.

00:24:20.54
Russell Gibson
not where Not where the craze started, but ah a lot of it where the Genesis was, I suppose. Yeah.

00:24:25.60
Adz
For sure. Well, this is the this is the first set the downtown featured in, right?

00:24:26.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:29.35
Adz
The studio.

00:24:31.13
Russell Gibson
I believe so. Yeah.

00:24:31.91
Adz
Yeah.

00:24:32.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:32.71
Adz
Yeah. No, this is.

00:24:34.20
Russell Gibson
So the total population on this is 199.

00:24:34.50
Adz
Yep.

00:24:37.98
Russell Gibson
And I think in terms of the total data that we get to, that's probably about a midpoint in terms of how many cards is in a population.

00:24:43.52
Adz
Yep.

00:24:46.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:47.32
Adz
Yep.

00:24:47.65
Russell Gibson
That last sold for 4,600. So that gives you an idea of... the rarity of it, so how many of it, and also to the price point. So let's keep that in mind as we move on to the next one.

00:24:58.38
Russell Gibson
The next one again is the downtown card again. This is from 2019. So this is years later. so this is three years later

00:25:05.24
Adz
to one-on-one. Yep.

00:25:07.01
Russell Gibson
Now, this card I included because I just love the design. Like, to me, the the artwork on this is just absolutely brilliant. It's vivid. It's very creative. There's a lot going on. in it And also, i just love this the story and the dialogue that they've, you know, attempted to weave into this card.

00:25:23.34
Adz
yep

00:25:24.02
Russell Gibson
Total population on this card is 73. So, think... i think What that means to me is that I doubt that there was that... I don't think there's three times more cards from 2016. What I'm beginning to believe as as I'm seeing more stats come out from this, I think...

00:25:47.15
Russell Gibson
As time goes by, more cards are sent off for grading. And I think the other phenomenon that we also see in our hobby is that there might not actually be 199 cards, individual cards.

00:25:59.24
Russell Gibson
I think some of these cards get sent back to grading twice. Sometimes they get sent back three times.

00:26:04.05
Adz
Sure, sure.

00:26:05.50
Russell Gibson
And particularly a lot of these, well, all of these cards we're about to talk about, they're all unnumbered. We don't actually know the true population.

00:26:10.46
Adz
Yep.

00:26:12.19
Russell Gibson
So I think, you know, the,

00:26:14.12
Adz
Well, the cap of the population is. Like, it's not like a card that's numbered to 199, sure.

00:26:16.46
Russell Gibson
Correct. Exactly. we we We just don't know that. So there could actually be 50 cards and it could be the the same number for both of these sets, but just so that, you know, some of these cards have been graded four times, you know, maybe they're being sent off to BGS, they're being cracked, sent off to PSA.

00:26:20.85
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:26.52
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:33.40
Adz
Well, that's the one I look for.

00:26:33.85
Russell Gibson
So

00:26:34.72
Adz
I can't imagine people are going to crack a PSA 9 and then try and regrade it as to try and get a 10, right?

00:26:40.61
Russell Gibson
I think some people would,

00:26:42.15
Adz
Oh, really?

00:26:43.14
Russell Gibson
Definitely, particularly with the price difference between a nine and 10.

00:26:46.54
Adz
Yeah, I mean, it's $1,000 between a 9 and a 10.

00:26:46.73
Russell Gibson
And you could,

00:26:49.76
Adz
So I'm looking at the pop the the breakdown of the POP report at the moment through Card Ladder, and that is showing that there's 46 10s, 7 9s, but 15 9.5s.

00:26:52.86
Russell Gibson
yeah.

00:26:59.33
Adz
My theory there would be some of those 9.5s have been crossed up into PSA 10s.

00:27:04.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:27:06.45
Adz
I think that's the most common break resub is is the BGS 9.5 to try get PSA 10. try and get a ps a ten

00:27:14.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. ah The next card,

00:27:16.31
Adz
Or ah tend to try and get a pristine, a black label. But...

00:27:20.66
Russell Gibson
I'm not sure what your odds would be on that. I would say not good.

00:27:25.14
Adz
Yep.

00:27:26.22
Russell Gibson
The next card comes out of Court Kings um and we're actually going to mention Court Kings again for a future card too. I actually believe that at the moment, this is one of the most popular cards out in the market, the blank slate. I think people really, really like these cards.

00:27:41.86
Russell Gibson
I think that they're very liquid. And I also think too, that when we look back, these are the type of cards that are actually going to hold onto their, their true value, you know, moving into the future.

00:27:51.68
Adz
Okay.

00:27:51.84
Russell Gibson
Like that's how much I rate these cards.

00:27:53.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:53.98
Russell Gibson
Now the total population on the 2017 Steph Curry blank slate 39. And actually,

00:27:59.92
Russell Gibson
and actually Now, if we're talking about genuine scarcity here, so let's direct comp this to the 2019 downtown.

00:28:04.95
Adz
Hmm.

00:28:07.38
Russell Gibson
I actually would believe that there's half as many on that.

00:28:08.03
Adz
Oh, there it is.

00:28:12.31
Russell Gibson
I just think that in 2017...

00:28:17.32
Russell Gibson
Obviously, I think there was like there was a lot of like printing was happening, like don't get me wrong, but also in that two years, like a lot did change.

00:28:24.75
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:24.79
Russell Gibson
And so if you're looking at something that is you know true truly rare, i think that's actually a card you could look at, particularly for scarcity.

00:28:25.12
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:28:35.08
Adz
Yeah.

00:28:35.30
Russell Gibson
I think we should mention price at this point. The price on this is 1,249 currently on the BGS On the it's So there's not

00:28:41.06
Adz
That's for the BGS 9.5. Yeah. 2066.

00:28:46.52
Russell Gibson
ah massive difference between the two there

00:28:48.52
Adz
Yeah. is a last so for two thousand and sixty six

00:28:53.25
Russell Gibson
yeah right

00:28:54.74
Adz
I know. No, 1894. So it's gone down. Okay. Interesting.

00:29:01.13
Russell Gibson
ah The next card is the 2017 Aurora. And this is probably one of my favorites. And I would put it, this is my own bias that I've just included into this list. I really like this card because it's not highly collected.

00:29:14.11
Russell Gibson
They are relatively cheap to pick up and they are technically a case hit.

00:29:14.21
Adz
Hmm. Yep.

00:29:18.03
Russell Gibson
So the PSA 10 Steph Curry lasts all for $370. The population this population this is 47. ten on the psa

00:29:24.94
Adz
Yeah.

00:29:24.95
Russell Gibson
the total population on this is forty seven And that actually in my head makes sense because if we're comparing that to the blank slate from the same year, the population on that is actually quite similar. So I think in terms of, you know, true total population out there that actually I actually, do believe that.

00:29:44.98
Russell Gibson
The next card is the 2013 Innovation boom We had to have a kaboom in here just because of the the popularity of these cards. People absolutely lose their mind over you know a good kaboom, and rightly so.

00:29:58.18
Adz
This the 2013.

00:30:00.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 2013, what did I say?

00:30:01.60
Adz
It's... yeah, yeah. It's just...

00:30:03.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:03.56
Adz
the The artwork on this one just does my head in a little bit. It's just not...

00:30:06.91
Russell Gibson
so how do you feel about the artwork?

00:30:08.53
Adz
I don't like it. I don't this this i don't like...

00:30:09.65
Russell Gibson
Really?

00:30:13.11
Adz
It looks like he's it's some weird animated poet.

00:30:15.76
Russell Gibson
Like an alien or something out of the Space Jam movie?

00:30:17.18
Adz
Yeah, but it looks and looks like he's about to dunk the ball. It's Steph Curry. Why...

00:30:21.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:22.51
Adz
Yeah, it doesn't...

00:30:23.78
Russell Gibson
It should be a shooting pose.

00:30:25.26
Adz
Yeah, my view is that all Steph Curry cards should be shooting poses. that Like, painting him in a dunking light seems like you're, it feels like it's very, don't know.

00:30:29.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:30:38.27
Adz
It's missing the missing the point, almost.

00:30:41.32
Russell Gibson
I think I like this card though, it's just because of how unique it is.

00:30:45.52
Adz
Fair.

00:30:46.54
Russell Gibson
You know, I think nothing was really out there at that time that even touches this in terms of creativity. And I think ultimately it did create its own genre and its own brand, you know, moving forward. And and still today they're incredibly popular.

00:31:02.59
Russell Gibson
And actually I think it's also influenced all this manga stuff that we're seeing now and the Prismania stuff that we're starting to see. Like to me, that's just derivatives of the original Kaboom. Yep.

00:31:13.66
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:31:15.26
Russell Gibson
So population on that is 168. Now, what I would like to just correlate here is just go back to the downtown that we talked about from 2016 that had that quite high pop count of 199.

00:31:26.58
Adz
Yep.

00:31:27.25
Russell Gibson
And I think what that's coming from is just the age of the cards. There's been so much more time for people to send these cards off to get graded. So, like, for example, i don't think there's that much in terms of population difference between the 2019 downtown got

00:31:34.55
Adz
Okay.

00:31:42.89
Russell Gibson
And the 2013 innovation. Like, I really just think that it's just more products are being open. There's more time for people to get cards sent off. If that makes sense.

00:31:51.31
Adz
can

00:31:51.61
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah.

00:31:51.92
Adz
can i Can I make my theory on on this Kaboom in particular?

00:31:53.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah, of course you can. Yeah, of course you can.

00:31:56.22
Adz
um

00:31:56.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:31:57.00
Adz
There 47 BGS 9.5s.

00:31:59.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:00.50
Adz
There are 24 PSA 10s and there are 43 PSA 9s. My tinfoil hat theory is that those 47 have been, a bunch of those have been cracked and tried to upgrade.

00:32:06.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's not tinfoil hat. Yeah.

00:32:13.56
Russell Gibson
Oh, definitely.

00:32:15.76
Adz
So I think there's a, I think, yeah.

00:32:15.75
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. And we touched that on on already. I don't dispute that for two seconds.

00:32:21.16
Adz
There's one that's been graded as authentic.

00:32:24.80
Russell Gibson
That's not great, is it? Alrighty. The next one, you're going love this one. It's the 2018 Kaboom. And again, pop on this is $179.

00:32:32.11
Adz
Another dunk pose, Steph Curry, awesome.

00:32:32.55
Russell Gibson
PSA 10 last for $3,400.

00:32:34.80
Adz
Just what I wanted.

00:32:36.80
Russell Gibson
pop on this is one seventy nine psa ten last soul for three thousand four hundred So now we're starting to see some serious creep here coming into some of these cards in terms of pricing. ah The next one that I want to talk about is the Micro Mosaic.

00:32:50.97
Russell Gibson
There's no link there. add You'll have to just go on to Instagram to look at the picture on that one.

00:32:54.37
Adz
The micro mosaic.

00:32:59.10
Russell Gibson
Now, I love these. Again, this is my own bias here. I think this is a short print. We did a segment on this that actually... turned out to be really bad because I was calling it a true case hit where sometimes they were in cases and sometimes they weren't. And that was true in terms of hobby. But what I didn't know at the time when I did that segment is actually they're in retail too. So they are not as hard to get as I was saying on the show. However, the population on this is is really low. i couldn't find any graded in BGS. Yeah.

00:33:30.49
Russell Gibson
And there's only 19 total being graded in PSA.

00:33:30.63
Adz
Really?

00:33:33.65
Russell Gibson
So I had to manually go and find that data. They're not in loaded into card letter. I love these a lot. I think if you are trying to find a case hit and trying to like, you know, find a diamond in the rough, I think you should start with the micro mosaic and the Aurora. I think that's the two, you know, for me, this is what I took away from this, this segment.

00:33:57.57
Russell Gibson
ah The next one is the 2017 Cornerstones downtown. Okay. What's this like? The third downtown we've had in this, but ah again, just super iconic.

00:34:06.99
Adz
I feel like that's the most Steph Curry um set, like subset, wouldn't it?

00:34:14.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:15.33
Adz
Downtown, like it's literally the set that's been named for him.

00:34:19.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think it's named for him. I definitely agree with that, but I also think too, I think the art is a bit friendlier for Steph Curry. Like I think,

00:34:25.10
Adz
Sure.

00:34:25.65
Russell Gibson
I do love the Kabooms, but also I think they're quite harsh and they're quite there's a lot of flair to them and a lot of pizzazz. Whereas for me, this kind of like fits. Okay. So for example, an Anthony Edwards Kaboom, that makes sense.

00:34:39.06
Russell Gibson
You've got a guy talking about how big his cock is, you know, dah, dah, dah, dah. Yeah.

00:34:42.21
Adz
And posterising people and yeah, okay.

00:34:44.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:45.92
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:34:46.02
Russell Gibson
Whereas Steph Curry, I find him more of a gentleman. He's a bit more finesse. And, you know, this card has ah a story to it and a narrative.

00:34:51.86
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:34:52.21
Russell Gibson
So I like it for that. This last sold for 2,800. Okay. okay So again, we're getting up here now. Total population on this, 106.

00:35:00.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:00.95
Russell Gibson
Now this next one, this is a lower end case hit. This 2019 mosaic stained glass. Total population on this is 593. And the price on this, give it a second to load, is 365.

00:35:15.60
Russell Gibson
I think if you're comping that directly to the Aurora, i actually see a lot more value in the Aurora than the stained glass just because of the population difference. But yeah.

00:35:27.10
Adz
I think the Aurora, there's massive amounts of value there.

00:35:30.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Now this next one is actually what I originally and ended it on. And I did it on purpose because it's the 2023 Prismania Now, for me, these cards are a little bit of an unknown. I still haven't fully got my head around them how actually short printed these cards are.

00:35:45.66
Russell Gibson
PSA 10, there's only three. The total population across all graders is 13. So I think if you're talking about a true SP, now look, this might be the case of, okay, in 2033, we'll know the true population count on this. But as I'm currently sitting, this to me is the shortest printed card.

00:36:07.68
Adz
Agreed.

00:36:07.93
Russell Gibson
that's that's out there if the population numbers are correct.

00:36:12.28
Adz
you know

00:36:14.03
Russell Gibson
This to me is a very you know interesting one. And the pricing on this is relatively low if the population data is correct. The PSA 10 lasts over 2,600. yeah

00:36:26.17
Adz
Yeah. that's some Yeah, that's very different.

00:36:30.14
Russell Gibson
The last minute addition was the Color Blast, which is technically not on card ladder.

00:36:36.03
Adz
No. 25.

00:36:37.62
Russell Gibson
I went onto the PSA registry and found that there's 25 total cards.

00:36:41.19
Adz
twenty five Okay, that's from 2019.

00:36:42.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Correct. Yeah.

00:36:44.80
Adz
Okay. So it's been, the they've had a few years to to get that, that okay.

00:36:45.45
Russell Gibson
so

00:36:47.98
Russell Gibson
yeah. So I think if you're looking in terms of just straight numbers in terms of scarcity, it's the Prismania, then the Color Blast. You could make an argument for the Micro Mosaic, but, you know, I wouldn't be falling in love with that.

00:37:01.74
Russell Gibson
It would then be the Aurora and then the Blank Slate from 2017.

00:37:01.76
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:06.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:06.14
Russell Gibson
Now, obviously, this is not a complete list. It's just one player. This data can change all the time, but it does start to give you a bit of an idea of what's going on out there.

00:37:09.67
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:37:16.01
Adz
Yeah, for sure.

00:37:16.29
Russell Gibson
So, David, thank you so much for your question. I didn't realize it was going to take us more than 15 minutes to answer, but that was heaps and heaps and heaps of fun.

00:37:22.15
Adz
Ha ha ha!

00:37:24.80
Russell Gibson
So, thank you so much. And thank you so much to Fast Break Trading Cards. Go to fastbreaktradingcards.com. There you will find tops, basketball, football, baseball, soccer, Formula One, tennis, UFC, w WWE, Fanatics, Authentic Memorabilia, ECG, TCG.

00:37:43.94
Russell Gibson
Did I say ECG?

00:37:46.17
Adz
You did say ECG.

00:37:46.54
Russell Gibson
That's my nursing.

00:37:47.66
Adz
They probably won't...

00:37:47.88
Russell Gibson
That's my nursing days coming back to haunt me. Disney, Locana, Pokemon, One Piece, Star Wars, 75, Chulip Street, Cheltenham, Friday 12 to 6, Saturday 9 to 5, Sunday 10 to 4.

00:38:00.10
Russell Gibson
You can also contact the lads.com. On the website, you can go in and talk to them. Their phone number is on the website. Guys, thank you so much for your support. Congratulations on your one year anniversary and also your naming partnership at the CollectFest. We are proud of you guys. You are making waves in the hobby.

00:38:31.19
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back. How you doing, buddy?

00:38:32.80
Adz
but

00:38:33.03
Russell Gibson
Are you hanging in there?

00:38:33.62
Adz
I'm good. i love a good mailbag episode. I believe there's one last point on the mailbag that I'd like to address.

00:38:38.02
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:38:43.48
Russell Gibson
Oh, we've still got heaps of mail back to go. So absolutely.

00:38:45.58
Adz
umve ah i've I've got one on the Facebook.

00:38:46.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yep.

00:38:49.23
Adz
um Why has it gone to most relevant? I'm gonna go to all comments again.

00:38:53.68
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:38:54.51
Adz
Scotty James.

00:38:55.68
Russell Gibson
Yep. Let's go, Scotty James.

00:38:57.31
Adz
Because we we went through his first one with the Cade Cunningham.

00:39:00.04
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:39:00.33
Adz
He actually put a second question up about an hour later. um Crystal Balling, what kind of trade package will be put to the Bucks to pry Giannis out of Milwaukee?

00:39:10.86
Adz
Not the most exciting part of the question here. And do his cards shoot up if he lands on a big market team? So i I would like to unpack that with ah with some thoughts on what Giannis looks like in the hobby based on if he stays and if he goes.

00:39:30.17
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:30.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:39:32.74
Adz
and this is obviously all conjecture, it's our opinion, it's not um it's definitely not fact by any any means. but We're sharing in Scotty's crystal ball.

00:39:43.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:39:43.80
Adz
I have a feeling that Giannis really takes a big hit the longer he is in Milwaukee and unsuccessful.

00:39:52.60
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:39:52.76
Adz
And I think they're about to so to lose in the first round of the playoffs again. um i think the Pacers are out classing them. And this is going to be very bad for his card value and hes and his legacy.

00:40:07.83
Adz
that's that that That's a...

00:40:08.07
Russell Gibson
Are you ready for some ridiculous nonsense?

00:40:10.13
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:12.62
Adz
Oh, go for it. I'm ready. I'm ready. Is this the glass half full?

00:40:16.45
Russell Gibson
This is a trade. You really put me on the spot here. is This is a trade machine that is successful.

00:40:22.01
Adz
Nice.

00:40:22.62
Russell Gibson
kick for Giannis. Who says no? It works, by the way.

00:40:25.74
Adz
The Nuggets? The Nuggets.

00:40:27.72
Russell Gibson
Straight up.

00:40:28.52
Adz
Straight up say no.

00:40:30.26
Russell Gibson
Nuggets say no.

00:40:32.66
Adz
The Nuggets say no.

00:40:32.92
Russell Gibson
So, okay. How's this for a scenario, though? We know at the moment the Nuggets are a hot mess. They fire the GM.

00:40:39.63
Adz
But yeah, alright, so Jokic is younger though.

00:40:42.40
Russell Gibson
They fired their GM. They fired their coach. And Jokic is like, ah can't stand this. This is absolutely ridiculous.

00:40:48.57
Adz
Jokic is going to LA, doesn't matter.

00:40:50.04
Russell Gibson
I just want to come to work, do my thing, go home and race my horses. You clowns can't even get a coach for me.

00:40:59.26
Adz
Fair.

00:41:00.72
Russell Gibson
Okay? So he's demanded a trade.

00:41:01.09
Adz
Do you think they're going to go to the Dock River Circus?

00:41:04.42
Russell Gibson
So that would make Jokic...

00:41:12.90
Russell Gibson
Kyle Kuzma, Damian Lillard, Bobby Portis. ah Oh, God. It doesn't sound good, does it? Kevin Porter Jr., AJ Green, Gary Trent, Jericho Sims. Oh, boy. It just goes on and on, doesn't it? Andre Jackson. Giannis then would be with Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr., Aaron Gordon.

00:41:35.83
Russell Gibson
Actually, think Giannis wins his trade, doesn't he?

00:41:38.35
Adz
Yeah, yeah. All right, what about what about the Phoenix Suns? Can they package Durant with something to to get to swap for Giannis?

00:41:47.02
Russell Gibson
mean, you really put him on the spot here. Okay,

00:41:49.42
Adz
Can Phoenix do it?

00:41:52.05
Russell Gibson
give me a minute and we'll we'll be back in one minute.

00:41:55.24
Adz
Oh, God.

00:41:56.24
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're back. That was easy, Ad. You've got to give me something harder. KD for Jaina straight up. Done.

00:42:02.85
Adz
KD for Giannis and there's no extra, there's no there's no messing around?

00:42:05.37
Russell Gibson
It works. Just straight up. Bang. Done.

00:42:09.03
Adz
Who says no?

00:42:11.45
Russell Gibson
I think the Bucks have to say no unless he's demanding a trade.

00:42:15.87
Adz
Yeah, fair. Is there any way to get some other pieces from Phoenix to get...

00:42:18.40
Russell Gibson
The funny thing is

00:42:25.90
Adz
No, not really.

00:42:26.12
Russell Gibson
they don't have a lot of young prospects.

00:42:26.62
Adz
They don't have anything. No.

00:42:29.05
Russell Gibson
Like Grayson Allen's getting paid 15 million a year. All right, so here's their salary cap.

00:42:32.15
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:33.54
Russell Gibson
Bradley Beal at 50, Booker at 49, Grayson Allen at 15, Royce O'Neal at nine, Cody Martin at eight.

00:42:33.74
Adz
They're cooked.

00:42:39.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:41.84
Adz
Yeah, they're cooked.

00:42:41.99
Russell Gibson
You got Nick Richards at five and Ryan Dunn. I think Ryan Dunn,

00:42:48.41
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:49.09
Russell Gibson
You could do that, but then the Bucs have to chuck in, say, Andre Jackson. And that didn't work either. So, yeah, it mucks up all the numbers.

00:42:56.15
Adz
yeah Yeah, this is, alright, that's pretty bad.

00:42:58.33
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:43:01.48
Adz
Cool. Janus for um

00:43:05.00
Russell Gibson
Straight up.

00:43:05.04
Adz
yeahnna said kaie

00:43:06.11
Russell Gibson
You know, the funny thing is, though, actually, I wonder if Phoenix wouldn't want that because they want to get some draft equity back. like So they're the only team in the league, no draft pick, and not in the playoffs this year.

00:43:15.36
Adz
Are you ready? and Something I just read on Instagram.

00:43:18.24
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:43:19.14
Adz
just gonna This is a mild segue, so it won't be too long.

00:43:21.68
Russell Gibson
It's okay.

00:43:22.72
Adz
Did you know the Phoenix Suns, ah there's been a thing saying the Phoenix Suns are prepared to just waive Bradley Beal if they can't find a trade?

00:43:23.09
Russell Gibson
and yeah Yeah.

00:43:31.29
Adz
The guy's on $50 million dollars a year and they're going to waive him.

00:43:33.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah

00:43:37.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah. so I think that all comes down to the tax aprons and because they repeat taxpayers, it's like every $1 is actually $3.

00:43:42.18
Adz
Hmm.

00:43:46.04
Russell Gibson
so,

00:43:47.37
Adz
Yeah, yeah, so it's in there just to just wave him.

00:43:48.59
Russell Gibson
and so Like Bradley Beal isn't $50 million, million.

00:43:55.23
Adz
Okay.

00:43:55.36
Russell Gibson
And so from that perspective, even though I ah don't like that, you show me a better way to save yourself $100 million. dollars

00:44:06.93
Adz
Agreed, agreed.

00:44:08.26
Russell Gibson
like

00:44:09.21
Adz
Yeah, fair, fair, fair, fair.

00:44:09.28
Russell Gibson
That's such a ridiculous conversation to have, isn't it?

00:44:12.05
Adz
Fair, fair.

00:44:12.88
Russell Gibson
All right, now you've got me onto this Bradley Beal thing. Are you ready for this? Are you actually ready for this?

00:44:16.52
Adz
Uh-oh. Probably not.

00:44:17.83
Russell Gibson
24, 25, he's getting paid million. million. picking that option. Well...

00:44:23.74
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:44:23.79
Russell Gibson
twenty six twenty seven fifty seven million dollars and it's a player option you cannot tell me that dude is not picking up that option

00:44:33.10
Adz
Oh, I don't doubt that for a second. Do you know how much money... feehoni and they've They've got to fix the tax laws over there because their sons don't seem to care about just giving money to people to not do their job.

00:44:44.44
Russell Gibson
well

00:44:45.31
Adz
Haven't they fired three coaches?

00:44:49.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah, maybe.

00:44:51.33
Adz
Wasn't Monty Williams getting paid like something like...

00:44:53.46
Russell Gibson
All these teams run out of money at some point, man. but Even the Nets that were funded by that oil guy from Russia, they ran out of money at one point, right?

00:45:00.64
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:45:03.08
Russell Gibson
And he he'd had enough of that nonsense.

00:45:03.34
Adz
It's pretty funny. It's just there's all this money. It's just money going everywhere.

00:45:05.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:08.00
Adz
It's crazy.

00:45:09.38
Russell Gibson
All right, let's get back to the... I feel like we've absolutely derailed ourselves here. Now we're talking about Pokoro, for God's sake.

00:45:13.29
Adz
I think, yeah, I was going to say it started it started with Scotty James's crystal ball and look at where we are.

00:45:19.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Alrighty. This is from GTI. So thanks for the question. What modern day cards are going to hold value 10 years from now? Such a saturated market will be interesting to see if some of these so-called case hits hold value down the road. All right.

00:45:32.86
Russell Gibson
So I feel like we've already answered this a little bit already today. So I think the color blast, we highlighted that in terms of low pop Prismania. I think you have to keep an eye on that. And that's a relatively new emergence, but I think we have to talk about that.

00:45:46.56
Russell Gibson
think the downtowns are obviously going to be there.

00:45:46.64
Adz
Yep.

00:45:49.32
Russell Gibson
And then the Kabooms, for different reasons, i think are really going to hold their value um moving forward. In the past, we've compared the Kabooms to a PMG.

00:46:01.64
Adz
Yep.

00:46:01.84
Russell Gibson
And actually, i didn't know this. So when I was Googling around the 2018 Kaboom, i was just trying to work out like where do they come from?

00:46:08.89
Adz
oh

00:46:11.76
Russell Gibson
So because each year it sort of comes out of different products.

00:46:13.61
Adz
Different products and...

00:46:13.68
Russell Gibson
So that year it came out of Crown Royale.

00:46:16.25
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:16.51
Russell Gibson
What I didn't know was at that time, Beckett, and this is from Beckett.com, Panini actually released Kabooms in their rewards programs.

00:46:27.72
Russell Gibson
So remember when you had those Panini points, or you can still get them today, you could actually go onto the website and buy them for like, I think it was 2,500 or 2,000, they said.

00:46:31.46
Adz
on

00:46:37.57
Adz
Yeah. You

00:46:37.93
Russell Gibson
So not only can you get them out of product, you can also go on to get them from the website. So

00:46:42.44
Adz
used to be able to get them from printing any rewards. Yeah.

00:46:44.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. But that's something that we should have spoken about before, because we're talking about the population for that. So for that year, it was 179, which is, that's the third highest population number.

00:46:50.62
Adz
yeah

00:46:56.27
Russell Gibson
And actually now I'm beginning to think just for that. Now we've added that context in that actually makes you actually think that number is accurate and it's not so much the re grades and the re slabs.

00:47:06.98
Adz
maybe Maybe you're right. Maybe maybe they they they keep it to a certain print limit.

00:47:08.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah. If that were, If they're giving those cards away, you know, as points rewards, because think about how many points they would be giving away to people over the years.

00:47:10.50
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:16.04
Adz
Yeah. You also think about how many of of the total population get graded.

00:47:21.46
Russell Gibson
I think cards like that, i would say it would be very high population.

00:47:23.24
Adz
A lot of people, yeah. Yeah, true, because it's not – they're not beginners.

00:47:24.61
Russell Gibson
Like people want to get those cards graded. Yeah.

00:47:27.58
Adz
It's not a novice purchase kind of thing.

00:47:28.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:29.51
Adz
Yeah, I get

00:47:30.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:30.24
Adz
Yeah, makes sense.

00:47:31.90
Russell Gibson
This is from Liftoff Cards. Would love to hear your guys' thoughts on what product or what SP, SSP you think are a bit underappreciated. So again, this is that same sort of genre, but I think we can still answer this question from a different angle.

00:47:43.92
Russell Gibson
For example, I think Courtside out of Select are such nice cards with good parallels, but it doesn't really seem to get much love.

00:47:48.29
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:47:50.85
Russell Gibson
Yep. Okay. What's your thoughts on that one, ah

00:47:53.69
Adz
Yeah, look, I think... love Well, on the court side, I like the court side. I think it's ah it's an interest.

00:48:00.22
Russell Gibson
No, you you can answer that just in general, though.

00:48:00.49
Adz
It's too...

00:48:02.26
Russell Gibson
If you want to say courtside, that's fine.

00:48:04.71
Adz
um The SSPs, I like all the ones we've talked about with regards to Steph Curry.

00:48:09.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:10.36
Adz
I do like the micro, that that mosaic, um the micro, even though it's not an SSP.

00:48:15.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's not bad, right? Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:17.21
Adz
it But it is. I think there's... um

00:48:22.62
Adz
I think the Aurora just showed that maybe that's underappreciated. And there are.

00:48:27.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:27.66
Adz
there you're You're right. There are some that are actual short prints that don't get a lot of hobby hobby love. and And the court side might not seem overly flashy because it's just a base card kind of thing.

00:48:43.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:44.85
Adz
But... some of those Some of those variants are are really cool and they they do. I've always had a soft spot for Select, so I'll um i'll support Liftoff cards here with that with that statement because, I don't know, I think there's there's definitely not been any love for um Select for a very long time.

00:48:56.59
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:49:03.19
Adz
And I think, um value-wise anyway, I just i think and think it's a better quality product than people give it credit. um Yeah, and then I'm going to back that up with...

00:49:16.08
Adz
some of the SSP stuff out ah out of revolution, because I like the variations and some of those parallels.

00:49:24.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it' the checkerboard, is it checkerboard? No, the cubic out of that.

00:49:27.83
Adz
Galaxy, is it?

00:49:29.66
Russell Gibson
There's the galactic, which is the case hit, but the one that I was thinking was like the sort of the square type pattern, which is called the cubic.

00:49:31.98
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:37.50
Russell Gibson
That one is absolutely fire.

00:49:37.53
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:38.86
Russell Gibson
I really like, and of course, and the baby kabooms, that's like friend of the show too, isn't it really?

00:49:40.60
Adz
I'm obsessed with impact. So yeah. yeah ah my my My impact, yeah, impact is mine from Revolution.

00:49:46.57
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:49:49.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:49:50.65
Russell Gibson
So I think I understand what the question is and I think I'm going to tap back into what we just said and then I'll add in some new stuff. So I think for me, it's the Aurora. I think that is an absolutely overlooked card.

00:50:03.20
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:03.68
Russell Gibson
And I think the other one too, which I'm probably just going to die on this hill and I'm actually going to double down here is the cherry blossom.

00:50:11.70
Adz
ah

00:50:12.20
Russell Gibson
hate, No, I really do. And like, if you look at some of the sold prices on this stuff, I'm obviously not the only person who loves this.

00:50:19.05
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:19.40
Russell Gibson
And so actually now there's two years of cherry blossom. So the 2324 one is like pale pink. pale pink

00:50:26.77
Adz
Mm.

00:50:26.92
Russell Gibson
But what they've done in the 24-25 one is they've actually made it a lot more vivid. So they've sort of increased the contrast. And the whole card now just absolutely pops. So they've sort of gone from something that was like, um you might call it like a cup of English tea. Like it's it's very kind of like dainty. And now this year they've sort of like given it a bit of like caffeine into the cup and they've really like made it pop out.

00:50:49.36
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:49.79
Russell Gibson
And actually, in addition to that, I really like the general just outlay of Prism in 24-25.

00:50:56.04
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:50:56.35
Russell Gibson
And look, it could just be me and my own preference, but I just really like the design. So plus the Cherry Blossom, plus they've increased how vivid the card looks.

00:51:07.11
Russell Gibson
Just guys, just go into eBay and search for Cherry Blossom NBA. Heaps of stuff will come up there. And they're just really nice looking cards. And so I know, there's just something about that card. like It's also sort of fits into that. It's like so bad, it's good.

00:51:23.90
Russell Gibson
The other one that fits into that too is the

00:51:28.25
Russell Gibson
um the what's the word I'm trying to think of here? The vivid green with the highlighter, the highlighter green out of select. And also just like the flat, plain white out of select.

00:51:35.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:39.46
Russell Gibson
Those look absolutely banging. Now they've also brought that into Prism this year too. So again, if you like that, that flat white and it's always been in select, you want to add that into your PC now because of like the prism value.

00:51:53.18
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:53.65
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. You should be like looking at those ones too. So I think that's, that's my answer to that, that one. Yeah.

00:52:00.47
Adz
um Another honorable mention. Razzle Dazzle.

00:52:04.47
Russell Gibson
The razzle dazzle.

00:52:07.81
Russell Gibson
What set is that out of? Is that out of hoops?

00:52:09.73
Adz
and It's a mosaic, isn't it?

00:52:11.39
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay.

00:52:12.68
Adz
I'm pretty sure Razzle Dazzle's out of mosaic. Hang on.

00:52:17.22
Adz
and NBA

00:52:20.48
Adz
Razzle Dazzle. Oh, bloody hell. Panini.

00:52:31.46
Adz
Panini Razzle Dazzle mosaic. there's

00:52:37.11
Russell Gibson
okay

00:52:37.26
Adz
sorry there's the first one that came up.

00:52:40.84
Adz
I thought they were a nice little um and nice little card.

00:52:45.10
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:52:47.66
Adz
I've got a couple of those here.

00:52:47.78
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, let's go to a break. We've got about 10 minutes left and then we'll we finish off today's show. We've gone over as always.

00:52:53.10
Adz
we've We've finished, we we've finally finished the mailbag.

00:52:53.26
Russell Gibson
It's fine.

00:52:55.70
Adz
We can do the final segment on on um on other stuff.

00:52:56.11
Russell Gibson
Have we? Oh, that's pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Thank you to the hobbyhangout.com.au. Last week, we were trying to allude that we had some big announcement to make.

00:53:06.83
Russell Gibson
Nothing's been solidified. All we can say is we are going to be there in a very official capacity. We cannot wait to be there and see you all Sunday, the 1st of June, 9 Nicholson Street, Carlton, 10.30 a.m. m to 5.30 p.m.

00:53:21.70
Russell Gibson
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00:53:44.63
Russell Gibson
Looks like there's a bit of new stuff put onto the website too. Piplup Emporium, Anime Space, Aussie Collectibles, Traders of the Underground, The Social Club Collectors. That's a cool name for it.

00:53:54.80
Adz
Yeah.

00:53:56.21
Russell Gibson
Card Slabs, Trading Cards and Collectibles. Thank you so much to Andrew and team Hobby Hangout for your ongoing support.

00:54:09.42
Russell Gibson
Adam, are you hydrated enough for this last segment?

00:54:12.13
Adz
like i am I am plenty hydrated, plenty ready for our our last hurrah.

00:54:19.68
Russell Gibson
All right, let's do this. What would you like to talk about? Because maybe we've got time to talk about one more thing and then we can...

00:54:26.07
Adz
Boy.

00:54:26.84
Russell Gibson
Is there anything that's really calling your name from the list?

00:54:29.73
Adz
ah

00:54:31.23
Russell Gibson
We could do James Gregory's third question or...

00:54:31.26
Adz
um

00:54:34.77
Adz
What was James Gregory's third question?

00:54:37.15
Russell Gibson
So he posted up a video about the state of the hobby. And basically to summarize...

00:54:41.63
Adz
Didn't we?

00:54:44.29
Russell Gibson
If you don't have time to watch the video, a guy was talking about how people who own card shops are going to Walmart's and buying all the stock and then selling them for three times the price. He also complained, the video person complained about people going to card shows and buying out entire tables, then posting them on whatnot for triple the price.

00:54:58.85
Adz
I remember this video. Yeah.

00:55:03.58
Russell Gibson
Companies raising prices and the content of the product is declining. So you're paying for more and getting a lot less back.

00:55:12.37
Adz
yeah

00:55:12.44
Russell Gibson
And his last question was, are we headed towards another collapse? All right. So I'm going to answer this in this way. You can look at this from the glass half full or the glass half empty. That's number one.

00:55:22.98
Russell Gibson
Number two, This type of content captures people's attention. The most popular video we have on YouTube is the video we did about scammers.

00:55:33.17
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:33.17
Russell Gibson
Is that the best content that we've ever done? No, it's not. It's the thing that people get attention.

00:55:36.59
Adz
I wouldn't think so.

00:55:38.10
Russell Gibson
So if you're crafting content to get people's attention, of course, you're going to make some trolling content about this stuff. So look, James, I don't believe what this guy is saying because I think their hobby would be in trouble if people weren't buying it from Walmart.

00:55:52.04
Adz
Yep.

00:55:52.56
Russell Gibson
The hobby would be in trouble if people weren't buying out entire tables. The reason why they can buy out entire tables is because the hobby is healthy and and that's how it goes.

00:56:01.06
Adz
Yeah, and they can resell stuff.

00:56:03.60
Russell Gibson
Correct, right? And so, is it annoying when you go to Walmart and you can't pick up some stuff? Like, of course it is, but at the same time too, It kind of has been that way a little bit now.

00:56:14.97
Russell Gibson
I'd also say, I actually don't agree with that. Like I've been in the U S a few times in the last couple of years.

00:56:18.02
Adz
Agreed.

00:56:21.45
Russell Gibson
And the last time I went, there was so much stuff on the, on the shelves. And also too, when you look at photos that people are posting online at the moment, they're not empty shelves. They're full shelves.

00:56:32.51
Adz
Unless they're Pokemon cards, they're they're full shelves.

00:56:32.88
Russell Gibson
What, Correct. if The thing that is empty is Pokemon and NBA is not having that experience at the moment. And so, you know, i think the part talking about the rising prices and the declining product, there might be some truth to that.

00:56:39.35
Adz
Yeah.

00:56:46.66
Russell Gibson
But I also think too that Panini has been up against like some so significant problems with the draftees not signing with them so they don't have the autograph. So they've really had to like do some hard right turns in terms of, you know, how they get product appealing to people.

00:57:02.73
Russell Gibson
And so what the video spoke about was that, is there a crash coming like it's into the 90s? Now, the reason why I don't think that's going to happen is because we're about to change hands.

00:57:13.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:13.20
Russell Gibson
So I think what's going to happen in the next couple of years is Fanatics is going to learn from all the things that Panini did well. And we've already seen that.

00:57:19.65
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:20.57
Russell Gibson
We've already seen them, you know, release a lot of product. We've already seen them mass produce a whole bunch of stuff. And we've also seen them innovate in a very short period of time. So whether that's doing the sales platforms, whether they're doing straight crossovers to PSAs and also to the the instant cards, which Panini did do but fanatics have just absolutely nailed that.

00:57:38.97
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:41.67
Russell Gibson
And so, you know, do I think that we're heading towards a disaster? I actually think we're heading towards a reset. And so we might see a little bit of downtime or we might see, you know, a little bit of churn, but I actually, what I think is kind of, you know, really exciting and look, I'm no like fanatics fan boy.

00:57:54.94
Adz
Yeah. Okay.

00:58:01.22
Russell Gibson
In fact, I've probably been on the record, like talking more smack than like good things about them. But I really think that what could happen is we get this really healthy reset.

00:58:14.52
Adz
okay

00:58:15.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:16.17
Adz
I am aligned with your view and and echo it to ah to quite a large extent.

00:58:16.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:22.69
Adz
I think the reset is or the the resetting of expectations is really important in this point.

00:58:28.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:30.63
Adz
we' We're not at the point where i think we were snowballing. And I think you notice if, say, I'll use... simplified numbers rather than the exact figures.

00:58:43.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:43.74
Adz
But say there are 12 releases per year and magically every month there is a basketball release, right?

00:58:50.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:52.10
Adz
That's lovely. That means every month a new basketball product comes out. That means when the start of the season happens, you know what point we're cutting over from the the the old season to the new season.

00:58:56.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:03.68
Adz
You know when hoops comes out in December, December is hoops, January is Donruss, February is prism, right?

00:59:11.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:11.86
Adz
And you go for your 12 months of the year and there are 12 different products and it's all lovely. Panini may have started with six products and did it every two months. It's gradually built to 12.

00:59:23.28
Adz
Now it's at 18 and we overlap and Panini's probably, don't know, into the 23, 24 season because they're so far behind with their release schedule.

00:59:35.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so that the release schedule was heavily impacted by COVID and they never have not caught up with that. Okay, so that's like that's one thing.

00:59:41.78
Adz
But it was ah it was already impacted before COVID. That was the problem though. there were there were They were squeezing in new sets.

00:59:48.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah. so I think to your point, I think what Panini has done the last couple of years and they've really ramped this up is like, now there's hobby and there's choice and there's retail and now there's international products too.

00:59:57.37
Adz
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:00:02.62
Russell Gibson
So for example, the one that comes to my mind like the most is impeccable hobby and impeccable international, national treasures hobby and national treasures international.

01:00:10.34
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:14.25
Russell Gibson
And I think like to your point,

01:00:15.44
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:19.24
Russell Gibson
you can look at this and say, well, actually they've doubled the total print run.

01:00:23.60
Adz
Yeah. but But it's also like, and and and there's got to be a point where i get they love making money from making lots of product, but they need to control the the the run out of product so that

01:00:24.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:32.47
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:00:37.89
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:00:40.58
Adz
each release has its own time to shine.

01:00:40.65
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:00:43.26
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:00:44.10
Adz
There was a point there where we were talking about releases, but like Prism released this week and then two weeks later something else releases and it's, and you, yeah.

01:00:44.13
Russell Gibson
so

01:00:50.83
Russell Gibson
Oh, you can't keep up. you You physically can't keep up. Like there's literally, yeah, so I agree with you. And so the part that I would, it's not so much I disagree with you, but i I've just like asked you to comment on this.

01:01:03.70
Russell Gibson
if So let's just say at the moment they're doing 40 products a year at the moment, and that 40 products is obviously fragmented down to you know retail and international and that type of stuff.

01:01:09.25
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:01:15.78
Russell Gibson
If you half that or divide that by three or divide that into four, i think actually what would happen though is the demand would exceed the supply. And so the consequence of that is that prices of it are going to go up.

01:01:28.19
Adz
Ah, that bit.

01:01:30.67
Russell Gibson
And at the moment, what's happening is, and this is what SportsCarts Nonsense was complaining about a few weeks ago.

01:01:35.32
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:36.09
Russell Gibson
So they're like, oh, the box prices come out this week. And then in two weeks time, the box price is not the same. That's exactly what's happening at the moment.

01:01:42.37
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:43.49
Russell Gibson
And so well you can actually say, well, actually, I'm a collector. And I think that I feel this way actually a little bit at the moment is that you can actually open a box at the moment. So for example, Spectra International is like, don't quote me on this.

01:01:58.59
Russell Gibson
It's in that sort of like $280 to $340 mark.

01:02:05.59
Russell Gibson
um Not that I would open this for a personal, but Impeccable International, that's around like $700. That's kind of like tempting at that point.

01:02:15.95
Russell Gibson
Because remember, this used to be, what, $1,000, $1,005? Yeah.

01:02:18.78
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:19.87
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:02:20.30
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:21.32
Russell Gibson
Prism retail at the moment is like $150. Like, Prism retail was like $1,000 not that long

01:02:24.18
Adz
Yep.

01:02:28.54
Adz
Yeah, I

01:02:28.64
Russell Gibson
and it's not It's not fair to compare the two. Like, I know that's kind of a shitty comp, but it's accessible

01:02:31.38
Adz
know. No, no, no, no, no But I think i think youre you you need to balance excessive printing and devaluing cards in general.

01:02:43.05
Adz
You know what i mean? you can't You can't oversaturate the hobby market. I think you need to distinguish. And I do like the tiered releases,

01:02:50.66
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:02:51.35
Adz
I do like international hobby and retail. Like stagger it with its own lot of value and its own price point.

01:03:00.37
Russell Gibson
I just think, yeah, I think where I'm going with this though is that I'm not actually convinced it is overprinted. I know that might sound sacrilegious and people like can criticize me for that opinion.

01:03:12.17
Russell Gibson
But I also think too, if the box prices are steady and some people are still complaining that box prices are too high.

01:03:21.25
Adz
I think they're different to what they used to be. And and and that that's just ah an adjustment in the hobby, right?

01:03:27.29
Russell Gibson
But if the box prices are relatively low in comparison to the last couple of years and people are still complaining they're too high and you can still get your hands on everything. Do you know what i mean Like there's some sort of like something has found like a sweet spot in some way.

01:03:42.90
Adz
I think there's a junk wax element to what's going on. And I still think that the print schedule is out of whack.

01:03:50.15
Russell Gibson
i agree that the print schedule is out of whack.

01:03:50.43
Adz
And I think it needs to, i think they they have too much product as far as variety.

01:03:52.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:03:58.48
Adz
Focus the product. Focus the product into particular areas and do higher print runs of the quote unquote retail.

01:04:06.96
Russell Gibson
Look, the reality is in a couple of years' time, we might be looking at pictures of warehouses just filled up with panini stock from this like last two years.

01:04:13.66
Adz
Mm, mm.

01:04:13.73
Russell Gibson
like We definitely could be seeing, just like we've seen that for junk wax, and I'm not trying to discount that. I think what I'm just trying to say to you is like if we halve the amount of total product, you tell me what's going to happen to the price. If people are complaining about prices now and you halve the product, I think it'll double, almost triple in value.

01:04:30.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:30.63
Adz
but I think they'll they increase production in different areas.

01:04:31.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:34.35
Adz
Make the retail product the retail product.

01:04:36.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:37.10
Adz
you you You're not buying hobby from Walmart.

01:04:40.13
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:04:40.81
Adz
So print the shit out of of retail because it's retail.

01:04:43.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let people rip packs for until their hearts are content.

01:04:47.16
Adz
Correct, correct.

01:04:48.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:49.38
Adz
And if you want, and then the hobby people can buy the hobby product for the hobby prices, yeah.

01:04:50.18
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:04:53.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:56.45
Russell Gibson
Hey, guys, people are listening to at home. If you want to correct us or add any commentary to this, we'll put up a post on socials about this. I actually think this is an interesting conversation and

01:05:04.93
Adz
Mmm. Mmm.

01:05:05.95
Russell Gibson
We probably missed a whole bunch of stuff that's actually really relevant.

01:05:10.13
Adz
Don't you love it how our mailbags just open up other tunnels and holes to dig?

01:05:15.60
Russell Gibson
So we're at the end of this week's show. Adam, thank you so much for a lovely show. Thank you to our listeners for a fantastic show. Central Coast Radio, shout out to you Hope you are very well in Central Coast Radio land.

01:05:28.36
Russell Gibson
Adam, I'm going to leave you with today's final thought. What have you got for us?

01:05:32.24
Adz
Today's final thought is do we need to put out any more negative messages? I think the hobby's alive and well. The hobby's not dead. Thank you for your emails, for your messages.

01:05:43.82
Adz
um I look forward to the next mailbag and we'll see you all next week.

01:05:46.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.