You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 209: Pop Retires, Wemby Prices Dip, and Trade Talk Heats Up!
This week, we cover a massive range of NBA and hobby news:
🏀 Gregg Popovich steps down as Spurs head coach – Mitch Johnson steps in, Pop steps up to Team President
👟 Ant-Man vs Luka, and Murray vs Harden – spicy playoff matchups
🏆 Missed Mailbag, Trade Machine fires up, and a Rare Edition case that refuses to break
🔥 Amen Thompson Prizmania + Jaylen Brown vs the Thompson twins
💰 Massive MJ & Kobe 1/1 sales, Wemby Kaboom watch, and Alex Sarr Black 1/1 sighting
⚠️ Veriswap scammer controversy and the company's public response
🔮 Thunder's wild draft pick outlook
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Adz
so are
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Adz
Welcome, everybody, to episode 209 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy, and Russell Gibson.
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Adz
Russell, how are you?
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Russell Gibson
I'm good, mate. How are you today?
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Adz
I'm in mourning, but I'll get over it.
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Russell Gibson
What are you morning over?
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Adz
feel like we're going to lose LeBron and Luka.
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Russell Gibson
Really?
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Adz
I don't know. It's the end of the world in Laker land at the moment. No, Rob Palenka apparently had had dinner with Luka. Everything's going to be fine. I don't know. just yeah a season ended prematurely in my eyes. So we'll see. We'll see what happens.
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Russell Gibson
I can't imagine Luka walking away, but I did see that, I suppose, fake news, fake tweet, conspiracy theory about LeBron going to Dallas with Kyrie and AD. That's kind of cool.
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Adz
Oh, that was, yeah. There's also the, yeah he'll take you itll drop your try and go to Cleveland to finish Cleveland in Cleveland.
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Russell Gibson
He's not going back to Cleveland, is he?
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Adz
Can you um just ride the bench? Get a chip for him?
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Russell Gibson
Does Cleveland, would they want him?
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Adz
Does LeBron, if LeBron signs in Cleveland, do they are they do they go above the Celtics as far as the roster?
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Russell Gibson
I don't know. Maybe if you sign for the minimum, that would be pretty cool.
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Adz
Yeah, vet men.
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Russell Gibson
Like even Ben Simmons is good on the minimum.
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Adz
Well, he's out as well now, so.
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Russell Gibson
Anyway, hello to everyone at home. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening. Hello to our friends on the live feed. And then also to hello to our friends at Central Coast Radio. Thank you very much for tuning in.
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Adz
Yes.
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Russell Gibson
Hope you're well. I think we should get straight into some content ad.
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Adz
Let's do it.
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Russell Gibson
And once I read this story, I put it straight to the top of the sheet. This is something quite dear to my heart. So this was broken from Shams, Shams, Shams, however you pronounce it.
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Adz
Shams.
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Russell Gibson
This is the end of an era as Greg Popovich, 76, has served as Spurs coach since 1996.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And a start of another, Popovich has already been involved throughout the Spurs offseason in president role and will continue to be a vital member of the operations, sources said. So, I think we just say congratulations to him. Like what an amazing career. I think what a fantastic role model.
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Russell Gibson
And he built and created an organization that now other organizations look up to.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
I think, you know, they've set the standard in terms of,
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Russell Gibson
recruiting, training, sending other coaches out, you know, developing their own talent inside the organization and then setting them out for, you know, other jobs, promoting them outwards, upwards and outwards is the right term, isn't it?
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Adz
Mmm.
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Russell Gibson
and I think their success has been amazing too. Like,
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I mean, look, there's some luck involved in i think getting David Robinson Tim Duncan, was that was an easy pick to make. But Manu Ginobili in the second round was amazing. Kawhi Leonard in what, that 13, 14 range, whatever he went to.
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Russell Gibson
And then what was Tony Parker, 35th or 30th in the draft?
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Adz
Mmm.
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Russell Gibson
Like, you know, just fantastic drafting and putting talent into their team too. Like they've got just countless players that have come in and... contributed to that team. Like the gamble they took on Steven Jackson, I think you have to give a lot of flowers for Popovich in this type of instance.
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Russell Gibson
So um I've got a lot of love and respect for the Spurs and and same as Pop too.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think he's, I'll put him onto a bucket list of mine that I'd love people that I'd like to meet. I'm sure he'd roast me, but at the same time,
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Adz
Yeah. yeah yeah
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. I do also like it too, as he mellowed over the years and sort of became a bit funnier. Like instead of just being rude to the media, he was just being like funny with them. I enjoy that version of pop a lot more.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. He sort of softened and he wasn't as brutal, I guess.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So I think we can't talk about pop without talking about cards. So he's a really funny one in that he has some cards, but he doesn't have a lot of them. And autographs for pop are like super rare.
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Russell Gibson
So they do come up on eBay every now and again, but they're not often cards. Sometimes they'll be business cards.
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Adz
Nap. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Sometimes they'll be but not a napkin, but just a small piece of paper.
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Adz
Tip like ah imagine a bit like imagine getting a ticket to a Spurs game signed by Greg Popovich that would be awesome.
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Russell Gibson
Can I be honest with you? I can't imagine he's the type of guy, like we just spoke about before how he was a bit sort of
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
you know, rude is probably not the right word, but a little bit sort of honorary around people. i think that he wouldn't be, yeah, he wouldn't be signing autographs, you know, for hours or he he's not signing with Pinini, let's put it that way, to sign 15,000 stickers onto a sheet.
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Adz
It wouldn't be the most approachable guy as far as yeah
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So you can find them on eBay. They do come up every now and then. they Sometimes there'll be certified pictures by PSA.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Sometimes there'll be cards that have been sent in for authentication.
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Adz
Well, maybe now that he's not coaching, he might sign some more autos.
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Russell Gibson
I don't think so.
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Adz
No? president is What is he going to be?
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Russell Gibson
No.
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Adz
President of basketball? Team president.
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Russell Gibson
Look, I think this is a very niche thing to collect, but in saying that, I think people at the top of their game are collectible. And I think what he did for the Spurs in terms of coaching and then he's he's already been doing team management and general manager roles anyway for years.
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Adz
Yeah. yeah
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Russell Gibson
So I think that's a little bit of it. Like they're giving him a title.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And they'll give him anything he wants until he dies, I'd imagine, honestly, like what he's done for that organization. But like where I'm going with this is I think, do I think these are going to be worth you know thousands or millions of dollars in the future?
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Adz
ah Great.
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Russell Gibson
I don't. But at the same time, I do think there's going to be some very strong collectability there. At the moment, like for example, this is just going on eBay sales.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Spurs vintage picture of him, which has been PSA authenticated.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
It sold for $99. There's another card here from BGS that sold for $81 with a signature on it. There's a photo of for him for $76 with the authentication from PSA.
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Adz
yeah yeah
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Russell Gibson
So but i actually think these are really good value. I also think in terms of, you know, we talk about population, like there's just not that many of them out there.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
So moving on to cards, it's the same thing. There's not a lot of cards out there. There's some hoops. There's some Prism stuff. There's some Topps cards on here. Look, these aren't selling for a lot of money. A PSA 9 Topps is selling for $40.
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Russell Gibson
There's a PSA 10 Blue, numbered to $175 for $71. um There is a Purple, numbered $75 for $149. That's PSA 10.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Even the Silver's, they were selling for about $10 each. So that, for me, is a really interesting one because a couple of years back, they were selling for... 50 cents a dollar. So if you stocked up on these and you're flipping them out now for $10, you know, that's, that's fantastic for you. But I've got to be honest with you, the few that I do have a pop, I'm, I'm keeping them, honestly.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I just think that there's, look, the silvers you'll be able replace, the numbers you'll be replace, the hoops you'll be better able to replace. But I think anything that you have an autograph on, anything graded, honestly, I just think you hang on to it and
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
PC. Yeah. yeah All right. Anything else you want to talk about that? Oh, actually there is something else. They've already named a replacement coach.
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Adz
They have.
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Russell Gibson
This is something I've been thinking about a lot. My, my hunch or my guess was Becky Hammond. I thought that she would come back.
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Adz
I really thought it was gonna naturally, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
to Yeah. I thought she'd come back to the Spurs. It would be one of those sort of legacy hires where it's the first female head coach to come in and her speech to him at his Hall of Fame enshrinement was just amazing, honestly. And she really like got to him. I've never seen him cry before like that. It was it was actually like an amazing speech.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
They've gone in a different direction. They've gone to Mitch Johnson I don't know a lot about this guy. I know he's been coaching them this year already.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I could just imagine this is an internal.
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Adz
you reckon it's an interim measure?
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Russell Gibson
No, I think this is it. I suspect that they've been grooming this guy for a while, you know, developing him, mentoring him, the whole thing. That's that's the whole Spurs ethos for me.
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Adz
But that's the thing, like, he's been waiting in the wings, waiting.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
waiting his turn, right?
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
Like he's, that's what they do. That's what the Spurs system is to recruit from within.
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Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Yeah. And they've had some amazing coaches like coach Bud was with them.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Brett Brown was them, you know, like heaps of coaches have come through there and gone on to bigger and better things.
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Adz
Yeah. Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
So I'm just trying to find where he, how long he's been with them for.
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Adz
It'll be a while. Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
For nine seasons.
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Adz
Okay. Well, gee, he's done his time then.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. So four seasons with the G League, five seasons with the Spurs, and now being promoted to head coach.
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Adz
For sure. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
So that's just wonderful, honestly.
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Adz
So he's done his time and he's...
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Russell Gibson
i love these.
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Adz
Literally, it's a Spurs product.
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Russell Gibson
I love these stories. so
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Adz
do you reckon and knowll he'll he'll go 29 seasons like Pop or...
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
No way. If he lasts five seasons, I think that would be a fantastic outcome, honestly.
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Adz
that's ah That's it, yeah. But they they they will... um They won't jump ship on him, I don't think, very quickly, I think.
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Russell Gibson
I couldn't imagine that's going to be the case, but I could also imagine him moving on to ah different challenge.
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Adz
To Vision.
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Russell Gibson
I think that's probably where I was going to.
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Adz
Of course, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
All right. So last week we we did mailbag and actually i missed a couple. So part of that is the way that I post things up to different pages using the the business page that we've got.
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Adz
Ah.
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Russell Gibson
And I've obviously clicked a button and then not realized it. So I'm very sorry, Carl and Steven, we missed out your two questions, but it's never too late to do a bit of a mailbag question.
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Adz
never too late to circle back to the mailbag.
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Russell Gibson
I think we should say too to Carl Maury, thank you so much for all your support over the years. You've been also promoting our content regularly onto your pages. So thank you so much. And the boys from New Zealand are due to come back onto the show ad. What do you think about that?
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Adz
I think that's well and truly overdue.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
i
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Russell Gibson
So come on, lads, let's get a time together.
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Adz
yeah Let's organise something, hey?
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Russell Gibson
And yeah. Who are the underrated players that could go a big playoff run? This is a fun question, actually.
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Adz
I think one of them already has started.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
that is Anthony Edwards.
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Russell Gibson
Okay. All right. You think Anthony Edwards?
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Adz
He is the real deal. After watching that series, that Minnesota LA series, Ant is the guy.
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Adz
um Yeah. think Ant, what about...
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Russell Gibson
I'm discounting what you're saying just a tiny bit, because I think the reason why you feel this way is because they've knocked out your beloved Lakers.
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Adz
Well, he's also shown that he is the guy by knocking out my beloved Lakers who were the highest seed and favored, might I add.
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Russell Gibson
man
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Russell Gibson
It's actually possible I'm in the minority here. i'm I appreciate Anthony Edwards and I think he's a good prospect, but that's as far as I'm going. Like I'm not, yeah, honestly, like I think, you know, so go back to shooting guards who have been good scorers, but don't mean that much to the hobby.
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Adz
Really?
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Russell Gibson
Like there's so many examples. So, okay. For me, for example, Clyde Drexler.
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Russell Gibson
would you rather have a ah Clyde Drexler card or would you rather have an Anthony Edwards?
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
ah I think he's really hot at the moment because everyone's seeing him and he talks a whole lot of, you know, nonsense. He, we'd make jokes about this last week about him talking about his rooster to the the fans.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Like that's fine. But,
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Russell Gibson
that's not a lot of substance to that either. You know, like he's an athletic two guy. Like there's, there's a lot of these guys out there. And so I think I'm just sort of holding my, my powder, I think, until I see a little bit more from him.
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Adz
Okay.
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Adz
I have a feeling you might see um a little bit more. I have a feeling. i just i This might be his run.
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Russell Gibson
And if I'm wrong, I'm so happy to be wrong.
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Adz
Mm.
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Russell Gibson
That's the other thing too. I don't mean it in a malicious way. Funnily, I was talking to a random kinder dad on the weekend at the playground and he was waxing lyrical about Edwards too. So I'm actually beginning to think more and more I'm actually in the minority on this. I'm just like, I'm not that impressed. Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah, I like it. ah look Look, I like you can have the difference of opinion. I think that's welcome. But I do think last year he he had unfinished business and this year heyam ah he's playing with that chip on his shoulder.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
You can see it. But anyway...
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Russell Gibson
silver PSA 10, Anthony Edwards population on this is 2,116 last sold for you look at the trajectory this Let's go back to six months.
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Russell Gibson
it's up five percent so it was trading the in the nine hundreds
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Adz
hu
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Russell Gibson
december twenty four um if we go back one year it's actually down twenty two percent so
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Adz
Yeah, because this time last year he was going, he was announcing himself to the world.
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Russell Gibson
um
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Russell Gibson
in In June 24, this was trading for nearly 1,800. So look, I think that the market has changed a lot in the last 12 months. And you know i actually think we can do a segment on this ad.
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Russell Gibson
Say, if if we're looking at the all-time graphs and we're looking at COVID, let's just say that COVID was the time to sell. Now we're post-COVID.
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Russell Gibson
Is there an argument to be made? Actually, it's the time to buy.
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Adz
Now is the time to buy.
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Russell Gibson
And so, yeah. So, look at this card. So, for example, take take that this card as an example. So, let's go to the all-time on this. So, the all-time high on this, it sold for $1,500 at a point.
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Russell Gibson
It sold for $2,000 at a point. um Obviously, we're up on an uptick at the moment, but we just spoke about the decrease even in the last 12 months that it's had. You know, if you're confident about this guy, is this a card that, you know, now is a good time to purchase? Like, with all the things that's happening in the world at the moment economically,
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Adz
I
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Russell Gibson
buy it now and put it away for 10 years you know i think you really have to believe in someone to to spend that type of money though i don't think that strategy has and zero risk particularly with the population on it but at the same time if you're going to make that argument to me i i wouldn't say it's a silly idea yeah
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Adz
ah agree. I agree.
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Adz
Okay. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
anyway
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Adz
but we'll We'll see how he goes in the playoffs.
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Russell Gibson
So I think we can actually move the spreadsheet around a little bit. We can segue into this just absolutely seamlessly. So this is a card ladder comp. Anthony Edwards, one of one flawless Logerman, sold for $426,000 versus Doncic.
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Russell Gibson
versus a lucaonic
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Russell Gibson
Gold Prism numbered to 10, which sold for $341,000. So obviously this is the Lakers versus Wolves first round matchup that we're comping here, but also it slides into Carl's question perfectly and our whole conversation around the Anthony Edwards part.
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Adz
Well, you know, Luka's not going to make a a crazy playoff run because he's no longer in the playoffs. But
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Russell Gibson
Look, I think playing with...
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Adz
Anthony Edwards. Whoa.
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Russell Gibson
LeBron James in Los Angeles is not an easy task. And I loved what Luka did. And I don't think he played badly, but I also don't think he played to the top of his capability. So I'm still very...
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Adz
Well, the list wasn't, the the roster wasn't constructed for there. Yeah. Agreed.
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Russell Gibson
I think putting Luka with LeBron is to having two very ball dominant players together. And I actually thought they worked it out pretty well. So I think what I'm trying to say is it's still very promising Luka's future in in Los Angeles.
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Russell Gibson
I'm not too sweaty about what just happened.
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Adz
I agree. i'm not i'm not I'm not stressed, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
I'm not mad.
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Russell Gibson
um Okay, so for me, this is just ridiculous. For me, the obvious one here is the Anthony Edwards at 426. It's like comparing a Lamborghini to a Toyota.
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Russell Gibson
Like, Prism is an entry-level...
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Adz
Wow.
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Russell Gibson
Prism is Adam. Prism is an entry-level set.
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Adz
Yeah, okay, okay.
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Russell Gibson
The pull of Prism is that you could go down to your local Target or Walmart, spend $20... And you could get a number to 25 green pulsar or whatever it was that came out of them.
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Adz
True.
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Russell Gibson
Or you could get a silver Prism that you could send off to PSA and then bring it back and sell it for 800, 900 USD, right?
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Adz
Hey guys, so the...
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Russell Gibson
Like, let's be honest about what Prism is.
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Adz
Sure, but if it was the black if it was the black one of one, which is, because we're comparing one of one a one of one to a number to ten, right? If we get a Prism one of one, ah guarantee that card's going for 1.5 million.
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Russell Gibson
Look, I just think, I probably think that this has gone, ah in my opinion, this gold to 10 is a little bit high.
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Adz
Yeah, it's in February 2025. It's a week after the... It's two weeks after the Luka Doncic trade.
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Russell Gibson
And this is three years ago that the flawless sold for. So this is a bit of a tricky comp. But what I'm trying to say is, I just think, like for me, flawless is a little bit of like hallowed turf.
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Russell Gibson
Like it it's just such a special, like if that's a game worn, yeah.
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Adz
I agree i agree with um apples for apples, right? yeah you compare You should be comparing... You're going to flawless. Get an NT rookie card out, right?
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Russell Gibson
Right. Yeah, yeah.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah, agreed.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, that would be a better comp. Absolutely.
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Adz
For sure.
00:17:39.53
Russell Gibson
The really funny thing was i actually went into a, was it NT or Flawless break? Anyway, let's not let the truth get in the way of the story. So what they did was, no, I didn't buy in in the end. That's right. Anyway, so um Brian Forsman ran this break where he, everyone bought into it.
00:17:59.71
Adz
yeah
00:18:00.03
Russell Gibson
and you paid e i think he did it so that he paid equal parts. All of the cards were then sold off and everyone split the money. And he did all the back-end work. And he basically said, I'm never doing this again. it just an absolute nightmare.
00:18:12.73
Adz
Nightmare.
00:18:13.29
Russell Gibson
um But they actually hit an Edwards one-of-one in it.
00:18:16.42
Adz
Oh, nice.
00:18:16.42
Russell Gibson
And if I remember correctly, it sold for way unders. It sold for like 15K. I think it was one of those examples of like, they just sold it at the probably the worst possible time.
00:18:22.20
Adz
Jeez, can you imagine where you just like...
00:18:27.45
Russell Gibson
I understand why they had to sell it like the way they did.
00:18:29.08
Adz
Of course, of course, they need to move it in a timely manner.
00:18:30.05
Russell Gibson
But I think if you're playing the long game, you'd be like, look, let's just hold this bad boy because you know possibly could be seeing 10X that back for it.
00:18:35.66
Adz
For sure.
00:18:39.72
Russell Gibson
So yeah.
00:18:41.30
Adz
God, you have some remorse for that.
00:18:41.91
Russell Gibson
Anyway.
00:18:42.90
Adz
But yeah, also the time that they were sold.
00:18:43.01
Russell Gibson
All right. So
00:18:44.42
Adz
Yeah, these these are chalk and cheese. Card ladder, you need to do better.
00:18:48.30
Russell Gibson
Nah, look, we can't really hate on them for giving us free content, can we? Can we?
00:18:54.00
Adz
Yeah, we can. Probably, probably, probably, probably unjustified, let's be fair.
00:18:55.21
Russell Gibson
That's a little bit Karen-esque, I think. Yeah. All right, let's go to ah
00:18:59.52
Adz
Seriously, do better. Give us a better one. Let's
00:19:02.07
Russell Gibson
Let's go to a break, mate, and then we will come back and we will talk a little bit more hobby.
00:19:04.76
Adz
do it.
00:19:08.45
Russell Gibson
Thank you very much to the Hobby Hangout. We're going to start talking about you today. The reason for this is is because Sunday, the 1st of June, 2025, be there at 9 Nichols Street Carlton or the Melbourne Royal Exhibition Building, ten thirty am to five thirty p m Tickets are currently $34.90, for people under the age 12,
00:19:32.05
Russell Gibson
free for people under the age of twelve Goldens from America are going to be there. Unconfirmed whether Ken is going to be there or not. But just this week, it's been revealed and or confirmed that Andrew Bogut is going to be there.
00:19:45.09
Russell Gibson
So how I understand this is going to work is you buy a ticket to meet Andrew Bogut, like a a meet and greet, and you get a photo with him and you can also get some stuff signed too.
00:19:45.54
Adz
Nice.
00:19:56.38
Russell Gibson
So you can bring in your memorabilia, you can bring in your cards and Bogie will sign that for you.
00:19:57.05
Adz
Yeah.
00:20:01.42
Russell Gibson
think
00:20:01.79
Adz
Yeah. So just like going going to like a a Comic-Con or or ah one of those new like those comic pop culture conventions
00:20:08.04
Russell Gibson
It sounds very similar to that type of thing, doesn't it?
00:20:10.51
Adz
And you meet the celebrity by buying a ticket.
00:20:10.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:20:12.96
Adz
You buy a general entry, but then you buy a specific ticket, you wait in a line, and then you get called for your photo.
00:20:13.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:20:15.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah
00:20:19.21
Adz
And you get to shake his hand.
00:20:19.63
Russell Gibson
So I don't want Bogut's autograph, but what I'm thinking about doing is buying the meet and greet ticket, and then we can ask him about the segment that he did.
00:20:20.05
Adz
and yeah
00:20:30.49
Russell Gibson
Why do you think that every NBA team plays the same? Like...
00:20:33.83
Adz
I like it. I like it.
00:20:35.08
Russell Gibson
Maybe we can make up like a ah spreadsheet or sort of ah a graphical picture to show to him.
00:20:39.83
Adz
we can get like a pro We can get a promo audio clip from him.
00:20:46.46
Adz
This is Andrew Bogut you're listening to the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast.
00:20:50.68
Russell Gibson
You need a bit more Aussie accent and a bit deeper voice, Ed.
00:20:54.16
Adz
Well, I'm not Andrew Bogut. He can do it.
00:20:58.80
Russell Gibson
Oh, hey, check this out. Just scrolling down on the different stalls. So this must be like a rotating thing. Matt's card shop. There's a beautiful photo there of Matthew Yuga. That's lovely. Nice photo, Matty.
00:21:09.63
Russell Gibson
We've got Piplup Emporium, Slaw Collectibles, TCG Collectors, heaps and heaps of different activations, trading zones, trading card game tournaments, amazing giveaways, casual play areas.
00:21:22.41
Russell Gibson
Do not miss this. Sunday, the 1st of June, 2025.
00:21:27.07
Russell Gibson
for the hobby hangout, XL.
00:21:31.57
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Adam, we're back. How you doing, buddy?
00:21:34.36
Adz
I am very, very good. Excited for the hobby hangout.
00:21:37.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so i didn't get to answer Carl's mailbag question. Can we go back to that?
00:21:44.56
Adz
Yeah, true. We did get sidetracked by Anthony Edwards. That was that was my answer to the question, yeah?
00:21:49.56
Russell Gibson
That's okay, that's totally fine.
00:21:51.80
Adz
Cool. Now it's your turn.
00:21:56.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so what I was thinking was, while I've been watching these playoffs, I'm quite interested in the Thompson brothers'
00:22:04.10
Adz
Okay.
00:22:05.27
Russell Gibson
I'm really interested. And the thread that I'd like to create here is, can you comp the Thompson brothers to Jalen Brown? And what um my argument is this, both, all of them are supreme athletes, like absolutely supreme.
00:22:20.12
Adz
okay
00:22:22.17
Russell Gibson
i probably think Eamon is the best athlete out of the three of them. um And I think when Jalen Brown came into the league, the assumption was that he would develop his skills to match his athleticism.
00:22:39.37
Russell Gibson
And I think even today, there's still some criticism that he can't really dribble with his left hand.
00:22:39.49
Adz
Okay.
00:22:43.45
Russell Gibson
But I think that's probably a little bit unfair. And he's definitely improved his he's dribbling.
00:22:48.34
Adz
His dribble, his handles, yeah.
00:22:50.05
Russell Gibson
His shooting's pretty good. He's definitely making better decisions dribbling, passing the ball. Dare I even say he can run a little bit of pick and role play these days? like He's definitely improving as a basketball player.
00:23:05.44
Russell Gibson
i I love play players like Jalen Brown just because they play both ends of the ball and they play hard and they play above the ring. And I sort of love that three-dimensional aspect of of basketball.
00:23:12.61
Adz
Okay.
00:23:16.69
Adz
Yeah, for
00:23:16.80
Russell Gibson
I love guys that play close to the ground. Don't get me wrong, but i think that's the other thing about the Thompson brothers. They really changed the game, the way they play on both ends of the floor. I think that's from the Houston series, my really big takeaway I really feel like he's controlling the game from the defensive end.
00:23:33.66
Russell Gibson
And there's something like that just speaks to my soul. Like when people do that type of stuff. So i think probably the best thing to do at this point is look at Jalen Brown prices, because I think this is a little bit of a sobering, um maybe a wake up call for people who are like investing heavy into the Thompson twins at the moment.
00:23:37.44
Adz
yeah for sure.
00:23:51.75
Russell Gibson
So Jalen Brown currently is trading at 260 for silver 10. And I think,
00:23:56.23
Adz
Yep.
00:23:56.83
Russell Gibson
for a silver ps a ten and i think If you're trying to find pockets of value in the current NBA of veterans, I think this is a really good place to start. For me, this is like criminally undervalued.
00:24:08.98
Russell Gibson
Population on this is just 305. So for example, the Edwards card, we're talking about like 2000 just a couple of minutes ago.
00:24:19.37
Russell Gibson
You know, my only issue with this, like, for example, the Jalen Brown, is that this could just be a popularity issue and this might never rectify itself. And that that does definitely give me um some concerns.
00:24:32.01
Adz
Do you really think he's a 200 to 260 player? think
00:24:35.64
Russell Gibson
I think it's like a $500 card, honestly.
00:24:38.13
Adz
i think he's playing level, yeah. Dictates a a much higher price, for sure.
00:24:40.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:44.49
Russell Gibson
So i I really struggle with seeing those prices. And I think that's what I worry about the Thompson Twins.
00:24:49.97
Adz
All right.
00:24:51.05
Russell Gibson
I just think that...
00:24:51.17
Adz
But yours yeah are you suggesting the Thompson Twins are going to end up at that that plateau? He's going to be at that $200 to $300 or...?
00:24:56.95
Russell Gibson
So my feeling about the Thompson Twins at the moment is that I think people are buying into them based on raw talent.
00:25:04.19
Russell Gibson
So what my...
00:25:04.25
Adz
So buying into them based on talent thinking they're going to hit Tatum numbers, but then realizing they're going to hit Jalen Brown.
00:25:08.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah, are they're going to get to something. Yeah, but what I'm saying... So what my argument is, is if they get to Jalen Brown's talent level, I think they've done really well. And if you're drafting a player in the tens and you get Jalen Brown, you have absolutely you've won the lottery.
00:25:18.97
Adz
Agreed.
00:25:24.14
Russell Gibson
And you probably should be like scout of the year or general manager of the year, something like that, right?
00:25:25.39
Adz
Sure.
00:25:29.37
Adz
True, true, true.
00:25:30.62
Russell Gibson
And so looking at the prices now, so for example, there's a red PSA 10 of Eamon Thompson. That's just sold for $142. I mean, yeah, that's a color match. I get that.
00:25:42.93
Adz
Yeah.
00:25:43.04
Russell Gibson
um There's a Pulsar here for $149.
00:25:47.53
Russell Gibson
There is a mosaic glitter for $128. This is PSA 10. Now that's really interesting because technically that is a case hit, but you can buy veteran case hits of that for like $2.
00:26:00.91
Russell Gibson
Those have not done well in the aftermarket. They're absolutely terrible.
00:26:03.98
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:05.95
Russell Gibson
I'm just trying to find a silver. I cannot find a silver, but at the same time, this is probably enough to tell me that This is way over in my head what I think it should be in comparison to Jalen Brown.
00:26:18.00
Russell Gibson
So, look, I think he's a wonderful player. I love everything he that he does, but I just think I'm very reluctant to you know be recommending people to you know buying heavy into this guy.
00:26:29.84
Adz
For sure.
00:26:30.11
Russell Gibson
There is one more card here in the run sheet ad that I want to talk to you about. That's the Prismania. We spoke about this Prismania set last week when we did the Steph Curry breakdown.
00:26:35.88
Adz
See that.
00:26:39.94
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:41.97
Russell Gibson
um This is the 2023 Prism Eamon Thompson Prismania PSA 9.
00:26:44.04
Adz
um and so
00:26:47.38
Russell Gibson
Population on this is four.
00:26:49.36
Adz
yeah
00:26:49.38
Russell Gibson
This recently sold for 1,500 USD. Now, I actually like this sale. I'm definitely not criticizing it. Do I think it's a little bit over? Could you buy something different for this for that same price point?
00:27:01.78
Russell Gibson
You could buy a Kaboom for this price point.
00:27:02.25
Adz
Probably. Mmm.
00:27:04.25
Russell Gibson
You could get a Sneaker Spotlight. You could get a Downtown. So this is not a small amount of money. I think my argument of why the person has bought this card, I think it's the population on it.
00:27:09.12
Adz
Don't.
00:27:14.48
Adz
Mmm.
00:27:14.62
Russell Gibson
I think we were speculating on this, that how many is there actually of these cards out here? And we were talking about off-air on this ad with like the PMGs.
00:27:22.62
Adz
Mmm-hmm.
00:27:22.88
Russell Gibson
At what point does a card become... such a low pop count and it becomes a little bit collectible and that just pushes the price up. So the card that we were talking about off air was a Tom Gugliotta PSA 9 PMG that sold for 7K.
00:27:35.67
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
00:27:37.16
Russell Gibson
So when you sort of put this into you know perspective on that, you know this is a rookie card, this is PSA 9 and just sold for 1500.
00:27:37.43
Adz
Yep.
00:27:45.62
Russell Gibson
Look, this might be a very... I think this is a medium to long-term purchase. You know, you might hope that in say five years time, he becomes an all-star and you can flip it out.
00:27:54.69
Adz
oh
00:27:54.89
Russell Gibson
But honestly, i do suspect a card like this, this is not a quick flip for me. It's a, it's quite a long-term hold. Where are you at with the, the Prismanias for this kid?
00:28:01.62
Adz
All right. i like I like them. I think they're going to be a sneaky good set um down the track. ah just I don't think they've got enough hype around them.
00:28:14.07
Russell Gibson
It could, I mean, look, Panini is not fantastic at advertising their products. In terms of the hype component, could it just be that they're so low pop?
00:28:21.50
Adz
Is it the low pop?
00:28:21.49
Russell Gibson
You just don't see them that much.
00:28:22.70
Adz
But from downtown we know about. Kaboom we know about. Prismania seem to be...
00:28:25.85
Russell Gibson
There's a lot of those though.
00:28:27.55
Adz
ah Yeah, you're right. Yeah, maybe it's the low pop. Maybe the low pop is what's not giving it kudos.
00:28:32.97
Russell Gibson
is this actually a genuine low pop case hit? Yeah.
00:28:37.38
Adz
I think so.
00:28:38.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:28:39.56
Adz
so i like i really i really like those cards. um I do have a thought on on your little Thompson brothers and Jalen Brown comparison because I think there's a parallel there as well.
00:28:45.68
Russell Gibson
Talk to me.
00:28:53.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:28:53.81
Adz
Now, my first question is who's the guy on Houston?
00:28:59.90
Russell Gibson
I think that's a really good question.
00:29:02.00
Adz
Because I think Thompson is going to be the Jalen Brown of Houston and be the number two. If he is a guy, he won't be the guy.
00:29:08.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:08.95
Adz
He'll be the number two.
00:29:10.67
Russell Gibson
I think the problem with Jalen Green is his inconsistency. I think he's got the high-end talent, but he's got it one in every four games at the moment.
00:29:14.06
Adz
He's young, yeah. Shingun?
00:29:18.94
Russell Gibson
I think he's fine, but is he better off as a facilitator instead of ah go-to scorer?
00:29:23.87
Adz
it's So it's Van Vliet.
00:29:26.92
Russell Gibson
I don't like Van Vliet.
00:29:28.42
Adz
I don't think Van Vliet's the guy.
00:29:29.68
Russell Gibson
I think he's a really good role player, but yeah.
00:29:31.07
Adz
I don't think he's the guy. It's green, in my eyes, it's green or Shingun with we Thompson playing second fiddle to one of them kind of thing. That's his, care I feel like he won't be the guy.
00:29:45.40
Adz
to follow that on, go to Detroit, Cade's the guy.
00:29:50.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:51.19
Adz
There's no argument. Cade's the guy.
00:29:52.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:29:53.52
Adz
So Thompson's ceiling there, second fiddle to Cade. Jalen Brown, being even is he's that year older than Tatum, he's the guy.
00:30:06.89
Adz
Tatum's the guy. And he will be the guy until forever.
00:30:11.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:12.69
Adz
Jalen Brown may have won the finals MVP, but Tatum's the guy.
00:30:16.64
Russell Gibson
Oh.
00:30:18.20
Adz
Tatum is the guy, no matter what. which Which, as far as the ceiling where these guys card-wise go, it's a very good parallel and comparison, I just think.
00:30:26.62
Russell Gibson
Tatum was the MVP anyway. Like, it's a bit of a nonsense.
00:30:29.16
Adz
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
00:30:29.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:30.50
Adz
But I'm saying that Brown and the Thompson brothers sit in that second fiddle, a really good one, but that's where they sit.
00:30:35.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:38.45
Russell Gibson
I think there's an argument to be made, too, that Houston has to bring in more talent. Like, just there's always an NBA play that comes up on the market.
00:30:47.17
Adz
So so houston two one of two things need to happen in Houston. Sengun or Green need to become the guy.
00:30:54.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.
00:30:54.67
Adz
They need to take that leap.
00:30:56.26
Russell Gibson
That would be fantastic.
00:30:57.41
Adz
Or they need to bring someone in.
00:30:59.20
Russell Gibson
Or the Phoenix Suns panic. Unload Devin Booker for Jalen Green and some parts.
00:31:06.70
Adz
KD's the one that's on the move. but Beal might be pickabable pickable off waivers though.
00:31:12.41
Russell Gibson
ah yeah You could claim claim him for nothing.
00:31:13.38
Adz
Apparently.
00:31:15.26
Russell Gibson
Absolutely.
00:31:16.07
Adz
That's it. But yeah, like yeah and it's an interesting comp. I like it a lot.
00:31:22.20
Russell Gibson
um Now we're talking about fake trades. Can we talk about, I'm completely just messing you up tonight when it comes to the run sheet. Click on the link that says trade machine.
00:31:33.45
Russell Gibson
We can talk about your beloved Lakers for a second here.
00:31:35.60
Adz
I really want to bring up this series again.
00:31:37.18
Russell Gibson
So last week you put me on the spot. And I had to quickly build a trade, which I did.
00:31:39.65
Adz
yeah
00:31:41.79
Russell Gibson
i had Giannis for KD. Now, if the rumors and the the Twitter idiots are correct, Giannis is on the move to the Lakers. And this actually works.
00:31:51.84
Russell Gibson
This took me a while to actually pan out. Rui Hachimura, Dorian Finney-Smith, Austin Reeves, Dalton Connect. There's going to be some draft equity thrown in, absolutely. There's no way they're getting two superstars for like only two first round picks.
00:32:07.16
Russell Gibson
This has to be like... Two picks and two swaps, or one pick and three swaps. I think at least four firsts have to be exchanged here to the Bucks. And then Giannis coming back.
00:32:17.76
Russell Gibson
The salary is almost perfectly matched for that. So how do you feel about this?
00:32:22.62
Adz
No, it's not happening.
00:32:23.62
Russell Gibson
You wouldn't do it?
00:32:24.62
Adz
No. the The problem this year wasn't, we didn't have enough superstars, we didn't have enough pieces. Why would you give away all the pieces? We just need more pieces.
00:32:37.77
Russell Gibson
You don't think Giannis and Luka would be pretty sweet together?
00:32:40.32
Adz
I want to know what centers are available.
00:32:45.86
Russell Gibson
Jackson Hayes is available.
00:32:48.07
Adz
He wasn't against Minnesota because he was... Anyway.
00:32:51.13
Russell Gibson
Brooke Lopez is going to be on the move. That's ah that's actually confirmed.
00:32:52.82
Adz
ah think I think... actually think...
00:32:54.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:32:54.36
Adz
I actually think Brook Lopez is is a candidate for for for coming off the bench as a big in LA.
00:33:01.52
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:33:02.07
Adz
Again, he did a stint in l LA. um But they need a big.
00:33:10.81
Adz
they need They need AD again. And that's not happening because he's...
00:33:15.62
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:33:17.11
Adz
It's fine for a while. um Yeah, I wouldn't. ah um As much as I would love Giannis in l LA, why don't we just wait and get Jokic? That's a good idea. Yeah, wait till Jokic is unhappy in Denver and then Luka and Jokic can get together in LA and win us some championships.
00:33:34.29
Adz
It'll be fine.
00:33:34.64
Russell Gibson
yeah yeah
00:33:38.12
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty, let's do this one really quickly. This is from GTI underscore card supply. So please go to Instagram and follow them. Go to their feed or their timeline, whatever it's called.
00:33:49.27
Russell Gibson
Go to April the 26th. You'll see a video.
00:33:56.72
Russell Gibson
of the team at GTI opening up. So one of the one of the content consistencies, what you'll see them doing a lot on their feed, is opening up slabs, taking the cards out, and then putting them into these lovely GTI one-touches.
00:34:07.38
Adz
Mmm.
00:34:11.74
Adz
The pretty ones. Yeah.
00:34:15.26
Russell Gibson
And so they were trying to open up this rare case and it was absolutely, i think if you run this over with a car, the card would still be protected in it. And I think what he was talking about as the feed was going on was just the difference between opening a PSA slab, which for him is just child's play now.
00:34:32.78
Russell Gibson
He just gets out his little pliers, opens it up in two seconds.
00:34:34.65
Adz
I just, it's second nature, isn't it? The way he cracks those slabs.
00:34:37.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah. He makes it look easy, honestly.
00:34:40.16
Adz
Yeah.
00:34:40.48
Russell Gibson
I'm actually really reluctant to open up a PSA case, but now I've watched some his videos, I'm actually leaning towards maybe I could do it.
00:34:48.74
Adz
The PSA ones, you just like click click clip, clip, clip.
00:34:50.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:51.37
Adz
It's just like, you know, those weird packs you get in the supermarket where they've got the, it's like they're, they're, they're melted in, but once you get the exterior, you clip that bit, they're easy.
00:35:02.18
Adz
They just pop open.
00:35:02.32
Russell Gibson
I just think, I just think professionals make things look easy though. It's like watching players play basketball. youre like, Oh, it's really not that hard. You get out and try and do it yourself. Actually, it's,
00:35:12.18
Adz
Where's the PSA?
00:35:13.99
Russell Gibson
bloody hard, man. Anyway, this Rare case is incredibly well encapsulated.
00:35:15.53
Adz
Yeah, I could, ironing out I don't know.
00:35:20.20
Russell Gibson
You have to give them some credit on that.
00:35:22.25
Adz
Yeah.
00:35:22.57
Russell Gibson
ah Rare is a new company that's coming into the market. They they do a bunch of stuff. They offer a scan on the back of it, which will tell you information about the card. It'll also tell you about the the grading process that it went through.
00:35:35.26
Russell Gibson
Look, I think they're going another flash in the pan, but PSA could absolutely learn from their encapsulation process.
00:35:38.39
Adz
Yeah.
00:35:42.34
Russell Gibson
I think it's One of the better ones on the market.
00:35:45.33
Adz
What is that crap inside the case?
00:35:49.04
Russell Gibson
It's glue.
00:35:52.70
Adz
Hmm.
00:35:53.19
Russell Gibson
It's glue.
00:35:54.51
Adz
Hmm.
00:35:56.17
Russell Gibson
This is the perfect time to segue. Thank you very much to GTI i International. Thank you so much for your support of our show.
00:36:07.25
Russell Gibson
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00:36:14.02
Russell Gibson
there you will find a website where you can purchase one touches, penny sleeves, top loaders, team bags. Now, the main thing that we want to talk about on this show is their magnetics, the absolutely fantastic quality of them. Also, too, they have a capability to have your cards in a penny sleeve so that the surface is also protected, stops the cards from moving around.
00:36:42.39
Russell Gibson
And they're absolutely perfectly designed and made so that when they come out of the packaging, the surface is absolutely flawless.
00:36:48.55
Adz
Yeah.
00:36:49.12
Russell Gibson
So when you're looking at your cards, it's the most aesthetically pleasing way possible. So that's absolutely one of their selling points of what they like to do Again, going back to the content, cracking cards out of PSA slabs that don't look that fantastic and then putting into these flawless one touches.
00:37:04.07
Adz
yeah
00:37:08.00
Russell Gibson
So please go to gametimeinternational.com and make your order for your PC needs.
00:37:23.89
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, Adam, we are back. How you doing?
00:37:27.01
Adz
We're back, I'm good, I'm good.
00:37:30.30
Russell Gibson
All right, let's try and get back to the run sheet.
00:37:33.85
Adz
Which part of the run sheet?
00:37:36.46
Russell Gibson
So let's go to Murray versus Harden.
00:37:40.28
Adz
Murray versus Harden. Is this where we're gonna start talking about the the Denver series, which i which concluded?
00:37:46.54
Russell Gibson
I think we should quickly recap that. I don't think we should spend a bunch of time on this just because you can go to ESPN and watch much better content about recapping games than us.
00:37:54.29
Adz
you Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
00:37:57.92
Russell Gibson
But basically, if you do have time to sit down and watch seven games, it's not the worst allocation of your time to do that. It was actually a very good series.
00:38:06.03
Adz
Pretty good seven game series, not gonna lie.
00:38:08.68
Russell Gibson
NBA.com now has fantastic recaps and also the total game possessions where you can get through a game in 40 minutes. That absolutely speaks to my soul. Fantastic way to, yeah.
00:38:18.30
Adz
<unk> Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Yeah, consume it.
00:38:22.22
Russell Gibson
Look, I really enjoyed it. I was a little bit disappointed the way that game seven played out. I was sort of hoping for an absolute classic, but I've got my fingers crossed for Golden State Houston. I'm really hoping for a game seven classic for this season.
00:38:35.76
Adz
That's going to be a very interesting game because that's in Houston, isn't it?
00:38:40.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it is.
00:38:41.79
Adz
Game seven, Warriors are going to blow another 3-1 lead if they lose. They're going to be the team that blows 3-1 leads. Hmm.
00:38:51.72
Russell Gibson
Look, if that's what happens, in my opinion, the Rockets have earned it and they deserved it. If they win, I'm just happy for Steph Curry. But I think my takeaway of this, no matter what happens, is we're really seeing the changing of the guard here.
00:39:05.54
Russell Gibson
And as much as it hurts me to say it, Steph Curry isn't who he used to be.
00:39:05.95
Adz
Agreed.
00:39:10.03
Adz
No, he's not, he's old.
00:39:11.07
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:39:11.99
Adz
Older.
00:39:13.22
Russell Gibson
And I think I've actually really been slow to come around to that realization too, because I think was sort of blaming Klay Thompson a bit. ah was blaming Kaminga not emerging. i was blaming Draymond Green just getting like two steps slower and then actually not realizing that Curry's part of it too.
00:39:27.38
Adz
Realising that in 2025, Steph Curry's not Steph Curry.
00:39:31.96
Russell Gibson
but it's just hard. If someone's getting 30 points a game to go, oh, they're not as good as they used to be. Like that's such like for me, a difficult thing to get my head around.
00:39:38.58
Adz
Yeah, yeah. I mean, we can go back a series and talk about at LeBron at 40.
00:39:44.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:45.35
Adz
You know what i mean? Like, he's not going to... The chase down block stuff from 10 years ago isn't what you're going to get out of LeBron.
00:39:51.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:54.42
Adz
Like, he's going to give it his all, but he's 10 years older.
00:39:57.56
Russell Gibson
He's 40.
00:39:58.17
Adz
Yeah, he's 40 years old.
00:39:58.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:59.45
Adz
He's not 30.
00:39:59.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah. He's amazing, by the way, too. I think anyone who's doing that at 40 is just insane.
00:40:03.40
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:04.60
Russell Gibson
All right.
00:40:04.87
Adz
I mean, and Steph Curry's in his mid-30s, so we're not...
00:40:05.00
Russell Gibson
Anyway.
00:40:08.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:40:08.64
Adz
They're not spring chickens.
00:40:09.70
Russell Gibson
No, they're not. They're not. Anyway, I'm just a bit slow. and That's really what I'm getting to here. 2016 National Treasures Jamal Murray rookie patch autograph number to 10 or a BGS 9.
00:40:20.25
Adz
Yep.
00:40:23.82
Adz
Gold refractor?
00:40:24.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah, of James Harden.
00:40:25.61
Adz
Top, cro so yeah.
00:40:26.39
Russell Gibson
So look, both of these, this is a really tough one for me because I like both of these cards and I like both of these players.
00:40:35.11
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:40:37.87
Adz
I'm taking the Murray.
00:40:41.73
Russell Gibson
I think I have to say the same thing too, but at the same time,
00:40:42.41
Adz
I'm not a Harden fan. Like I've got a bit more respect for the guy, but.
00:40:48.76
Russell Gibson
but a gold refracted a 50, that's a, yeah, that's an insane card.
00:40:52.95
Adz
What, this is an RPA to 10.
00:40:56.42
Russell Gibson
The funny thing about the RPAs is most people collect the vertical to 99. That's the collectible one. It's a really, it's a stupid like thing, but yeah, you're right.
00:41:02.08
Adz
I'll take that one.
00:41:05.37
Russell Gibson
Let's just be the the common sense here.
00:41:07.96
Adz
Like, yeah.
00:41:08.29
Russell Gibson
Look, yeah.
00:41:10.35
Adz
Yeah. No, like props to James Harden. Five and a half grand for that's understandable.
00:41:15.94
Russell Gibson
I just wonder if that long term is going to be a little bit undervalued, like moving forward, because I think...
00:41:21.17
Adz
I think the grade comes in more into place with the Harden than it does the Murray. I don't think the grade is relevant with the Murray.
00:41:26.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but just with
00:41:28.41
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:28.73
Russell Gibson
With his MVP and his sort of general resume, I think he's going to be a Hall of Famer.
00:41:33.81
Adz
yeah
00:41:34.29
Russell Gibson
If you're picking up a gold refracted to 50 for five and a half, I think that's a really good pickup. Whereas this Murray, I'm not too sure how much that's really going to go up too much more. Like, even though he's he's ah he's a champ and he's a great player, but
00:41:49.52
Adz
was it game Was it game three or four that playoff Murray decided to bubble Murray, came back?
00:41:53.25
Russell Gibson
yeah. Yeah.
00:41:59.06
Russell Gibson
it's just He's just one of those guys where he's just not that collected. I think that's also what it comes down to.
00:42:03.31
Adz
Yeah.
00:42:04.15
Russell Gibson
yeah All right.
00:42:04.45
Adz
Yeah. Maybe if the Nuggets win a couple of championship more championships, be on the radar. Lives in Jokic's shadow.
00:42:11.40
Russell Gibson
i and
00:42:12.78
Adz
That's why.
00:42:12.92
Russell Gibson
I want to look at his he Silver Prism because that this is the one that I have a lot more headspace around. Okay, this is insane. So Silver PSA 10. Population on this is 206. It last sold for $156. Okay.
00:42:23.98
Russell Gibson
it last sold for a hundred and fifty six dollars Holy crap. So all time, that sold for 1,600 at its peak. That's down 10x.
00:42:37.42
Adz
That went crazy in 2020, 21. 150 bucks. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's true.
00:42:42.03
Russell Gibson
I actually think that's a really good buy.
00:42:44.29
Adz
hundred and fifty bucks
00:42:45.83
Russell Gibson
So you're telling me, so people are buying colored Eamon Thompsons for more than a silver Jamal Murray.
00:42:46.53
Adz
yeah
00:42:54.42
Russell Gibson
That doesn't make sense. Either the Thompson brothers are overs or this silver is unders. Could be both.
00:43:05.10
Adz
yeah it's true
00:43:08.42
Russell Gibson
All right, let's move on. Michael Jordan sale. We can't have a show without an MJ.
00:43:13.46
Adz
an MJ
00:43:13.59
Russell Gibson
We went from never talking about MJ to almost talking about him every second week or so now.
00:43:17.82
Adz
regularly.
00:43:18.96
Russell Gibson
I'm proud of myself for this like development we've had.
00:43:22.50
Adz
The resurgence of talking about MJ.
00:43:25.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we're just talking about him at all. Like, we just never used to do it.
00:43:30.23
Adz
Be like Mike.
00:43:32.20
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Alrighty, we can do this quick. PSA 10 1986 Michael Jordan. This sold for three
00:43:39.83
Adz
That's the second most popular one.
00:43:42.19
Russell Gibson
yeah $348K. Why is this significant? The pricing on this has been all over the place. So i think the significance of this sale is obviously the total dollar amount, but it's also to, yeah, the fact that it's come back a little bit.
00:43:56.90
Adz
Steady? It's about, yeah. yeah
00:44:02.58
Russell Gibson
And then also too, I think what we should talk about is try and find what is the population on this card because I think that's very relevant at this point.
00:44:10.27
Adz
Mmm.
00:44:11.87
Russell Gibson
I don't see any population numbers on this. I'm just going to really quickly go to card letter and find the PSA 10 pop.
00:44:16.93
Adz
Yep, I'm with you.
00:44:20.00
Russell Gibson
It's 332. So it is quite low. Yeah, looking at that sale, that's up significantly. to The sale before that was 200.
00:44:32.09
Adz
Yeah.
00:44:32.73
Russell Gibson
So it's, yep.
00:44:32.77
Adz
Well, i's ah this is interesting, right? In the last two years, this is the highest sale.
00:44:38.36
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:44:39.47
Adz
The next highest in the last two years was a year ago $292. Hmm.
00:44:47.12
Russell Gibson
Look, I think for an iconic card in PSA 10, and we're looking at the sales of what we've had the last couple of years, I know I'm just sort of in my own echo chamber at this point, but if we did say that COVID was the time to sell, like, how is this not now the time to buy?
00:45:04.93
Adz
this is the This is the best price it's gone for since the 8th of January 2022. So, not
00:45:12.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah, particularly on these like specific high-end cards. like I'm not saying go out and buy everything willy-nilly, but I think but i think if you're making very
00:45:18.68
Adz
at all. Not at all.
00:45:22.79
Russell Gibson
um calculated purchases at the moment, I think you're going to do very well out of them. And I think we should keep a bit of an eye on this. Look, the next day on this could be down a little bit, but I think long-term, I think that is going to be an absolute home run.
00:45:37.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:40.27
Adz
Yeah, it's an iconic card.
00:45:40.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:45.99
Russell Gibson
All right. Michael Jordan, Kobe and Jordan, one of one. Okay. So we're going back to back with Jordan's here, but it's okay.
00:45:53.53
Adz
That's nice.
00:45:54.20
Russell Gibson
This is from a guy who i used to love his content all the time. He sold his account and whether the content has gone down or I'm just not paying attention anymore.
00:46:03.74
Adz
i would say yeah I would say there's a level of that, but yeah.
00:46:06.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:07.36
Adz
I think we've talked about this previously, this card, a while ago.
00:46:07.44
Russell Gibson
Anyway, have we?
00:46:10.72
Adz
Yeah, it might have surfaced before.
00:46:14.77
Adz
I don't think it's the same time we're talking about it, but yeah.
00:46:17.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So we can skip over it. I'll just do it really quickly.
00:46:21.61
Adz
No, let's do it really quickly, yeah.
00:46:21.69
Russell Gibson
One of one, Jordan, Kobe, Exquisite. Both of them are Logam and Patches.
00:46:30.45
Russell Gibson
um Yeah. So it's hitting the
00:46:34.02
Adz
Oh, yeah yeah, Last year, the collector revealed he offered $8 million dollars to the card in 2022, but he and the owner...
00:46:39.49
Russell Gibson
So Shine did. Yeah.
00:46:40.90
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:41.93
Russell Gibson
So it's on Heritage. So maybe actually what we could do is follow this up and actually find out what it's sold for because I think that that would be...
00:46:56.76
Adz
April.
00:46:58.19
Russell Gibson
we're back. So Adam very quickly found it and it looks like it's on Heritage Oxen's
00:47:07.26
Adz
but it's been It's a preview. It's not.
00:47:13.23
Russell Gibson
And the deadline for the auction is July the 2nd. They're estimating that it's going to be bid $6 million and up.
00:47:20.72
Adz
Yeah.
00:47:21.69
Russell Gibson
And looking at the lads from Sports Cards and Nonsense who commented on the Twitter, they were guessing $20 million.
00:47:29.09
Adz
That's a pretty insane guess.
00:47:29.27
Russell Gibson
So...
00:47:33.15
Russell Gibson
I mean...
00:47:33.29
Adz
Really.
00:47:36.71
Russell Gibson
A Jordan and Kobe Logerman. So we have to put this into our calendars and have like an auto reminder to tell us to follow this up. All right, let's move on because we're just purely speculating at this point.
00:47:50.50
Adz
Yep.
00:47:51.83
Russell Gibson
Wemby Kaboom last sold for $53,680. Now, this is obviously post-injury. obviously are having of Wemby... now this is obviously post injury
00:47:58.00
Adz
A wimby kaboom.
00:48:00.94
Russell Gibson
so obviously we are having a lot of wembby
00:48:05.97
Adz
Withdrawals?
00:48:06.24
Russell Gibson
ah No, i was going to say like, you know, the Wemby market really hasn't cooled off.
00:48:12.14
Adz
It's just stayed stairs, it plateaued.
00:48:13.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:48:16.69
Russell Gibson
So I think for me, this is incredibly ah warming is the correct word. I think this is fantastic for the hobby. This is another example of how, you know, well the hobby is actually doing.
00:48:26.22
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:48:27.74
Russell Gibson
And I think we should remember this as a card that is absolutely collectible. And I think long-term has collectability. Do I think this is a gamble? Absolutely. I do. Particularly it's PSA seven, but again,
00:48:44.18
Russell Gibson
Low pop, highly collectible. that The grading, of course, it matters, but it matters less when you're going for these absolute monster cards. It's more about the card instead of the grade, which is, you know that's the hobby dream, isn't it, really?
00:48:58.31
Russell Gibson
All righty, let's look at his card value on... card ladder, silver PSA 10, all-time value. He is down 71%. his all-time was 2,500. He's currently trading at the $730 mark. $200 less than Ant-Man at moment. Population 4,400.
00:49:11.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. Let's do three-month check. Yeah. I think that's fine.
00:49:15.90
Russell Gibson
two hundred dollars less than ant man at the moment population is four thousand four hundred
00:49:23.66
Adz
Do you think a three-month check is worth it? I reckon three month is three three months he's down 12%.
00:49:26.21
Russell Gibson
yeah yeah let's do a three month check yeah i think that's fine
00:49:31.76
Adz
I think that's his natural regression because he hasn't been relevant in the league.
00:49:36.72
Russell Gibson
He got injured.
00:49:36.82
Adz
Do you know what i mean? Like, yeah, it's a no, no. But I mean, we're in the playoffs. We're looking at playoff Murray. We're looking at Anthony Edwards.
00:49:42.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:43.11
Adz
We're looking at Tatum. We're looking at, do you know what mean?
00:49:45.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:46.88
Adz
SGA. um Because you're not in the spotlight, you're naturally going to fade, I think, especially as um as a current day player.
00:49:57.77
Russell Gibson
I think going into the offseason, he might go down another 10%.
00:50:01.91
Adz
Yeah, that's fair. I reckon another 50 bucks.
00:50:02.77
Russell Gibson
And that's a natural down cycle that the and NBA experiences.
00:50:03.91
Adz
I think, I think,
00:50:06.21
Russell Gibson
So if you're saying to me now, okay, he's already gone 10%, he's going to go down another 10, that's 20% down.
00:50:11.80
Adz
I'm not panicking though.
00:50:13.33
Russell Gibson
That is actually juicy for me.
00:50:16.26
Adz
I don't know about Juicy yet. I mean, it drops below 600 or 500, then you start thinking.
00:50:20.43
Russell Gibson
All right. Well, if it goes down another 10%, that will be into the sixes.
00:50:26.90
Adz
Yeah.
00:50:30.46
Adz
Yeah, that's true.
00:50:30.59
Russell Gibson
All right. Last thoughts on this Wemby Kaboom. Good or bad purchase for you?
00:50:34.43
Adz
The Kaboom. i well
00:50:35.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:50:37.15
Adz
Risky purchase. It's still like a Kaboom, but...
00:50:41.92
Adz
Yeah, I'd say risky, but it's ah it's a gold. It's gold to 10, right?
00:50:45.68
Russell Gibson
i I think this is less risky than a silver PSA 10 because of the pop. Like that pop is getting like wild and crazy guy stuff.
00:50:51.40
Adz
It's funny. you'd right yeah right You'd rather spend 50K than 800 bucks, but yeah, i agree.
00:50:55.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:50:57.99
Russell Gibson
Well, yeah, that's true.
00:50:58.23
Adz
I tend to agree.
00:50:58.75
Russell Gibson
I don't have the 50K to, yeah.
00:50:59.27
Adz
really Relatively speaking, I think this long-term will be a...
00:51:02.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:51:05.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:51:06.47
Adz
I mean, if it if ah if ah if a
00:51:06.56
Russell Gibson
A much better purchase.
00:51:09.75
Adz
Precious metal gem Tom Gugliotta is selling for seven grand.
00:51:13.15
Russell Gibson
For 7,000. Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:51:14.66
Adz
I can't imagine Victor Wembenyana gold kaboom devaluing too much down the track.
00:51:19.66
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:51:20.67
Adz
Yeah.
00:51:23.30
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're going to go to our last break of the day and it is going to be to the lads at Fast Break Trading Cards. As always, lads, thank you so much for your ongoing support. It's been an absolute pleasure working with you.
00:51:38.52
Russell Gibson
Go to fastbreaktradingcards.com. You'll find their website there. Sports Trading Cards, Tops, Basketball, Football, Baseball, Soccer, Formula One, Tennis, UFC, WWE.
00:51:52.17
Russell Gibson
I think what we should do today is go to their pre-order section and have a look at what they've got. All righty, here we go. 2425 Topps Chrome UEFA Club Competition Soccer Value Box for $60.
00:52:02.90
Adz
hu
00:52:05.15
Russell Gibson
Topps Competition UEFA Jumbo Box for $800. They've got the Juventus Team Set for $175. All righty, baseball is in.
00:52:14.89
Adz
Tennis.
00:52:16.05
Russell Gibson
So we've got Topps Bowman Baseball Value Box for $65.
00:52:20.49
Adz
Yep.
00:52:21.86
Russell Gibson
Topps Bowman Baseball Hobby Box for $600. These are all in AUD, just by the way, for our international listeners.
00:52:27.01
Adz
Mmm.
00:52:27.97
Russell Gibson
We got Magic the Gathering Collector Booster Box for $795. I've got no idea if that's good value or not. We'll have to get Al's opinion on that.
00:52:38.09
Russell Gibson
And let's pick out one more and then we'll tidy up here.
00:52:41.95
Adz
Those are the Topps Royalty Tennis Hobby Box for $775.
00:52:41.96
Russell Gibson
All right, I've clicked.
00:52:49.93
Russell Gibson
I've got no idea about that.
00:52:51.96
Adz
It's tennis.
00:52:51.99
Russell Gibson
that could be the That could be the best price on earth. That could be the worst. I don't really follow tennis at all, to be honest.
00:52:57.21
Adz
I'm just like, it's tennis. They've got racket cards. I kid you not.
00:53:03.99
Russell Gibson
But I'm looking at this ad.
00:53:04.52
Adz
Autograph relics.
00:53:05.19
Russell Gibson
This looks something like National Treasures or Flawless. So these are you know high-end patch booklets, mem cards.
00:53:09.58
Adz
Yeah. ah
00:53:15.90
Adz
Booklets. Oh, remember booklets. They were annoying, actually.
00:53:20.82
Russell Gibson
Anyway, thank you to the lads at Fastbreak Trading Cards.
00:53:21.61
Adz
But tennis, anyway.
00:53:24.74
Russell Gibson
We really appreciate all of your support and we will be right back.
00:53:35.27
Russell Gibson
Did you put the time in already? 5405?
00:53:37.14
Adz
No.
00:53:37.97
Russell Gibson
fifty four or five
00:53:40.84
Adz
Did you put it
00:53:41.90
Russell Gibson
Oh, that must be from last week. I'll probably scroll down a little bit. There we go.
00:53:47.53
Adz
in?
00:53:50.72
Adz
That was last week, yeah.
00:53:50.76
Russell Gibson
all right Yeah. All right. We're back, Adam. This is our final segment of today. We are going to do some local organic... art cards here.
00:54:01.12
Russell Gibson
So please, everybody, this is not a sponsored segment.
00:54:03.08
Adz
Hang on, did we do this?
00:54:05.34
Russell Gibson
This is ah listener. This is someone that I've come to know in the hobby. Go to Instagram, go to Marie Moore.
00:54:13.18
Adz
I think we we we did this one last week.
00:54:15.47
Russell Gibson
Did we?
00:54:16.16
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:19.96
Russell Gibson
Okay. All right. Let's scrub that out. Let's start again. 50. So what are we doing next? Alexar.
00:54:30.09
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:30.95
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:54:31.08
Adz
Yeah, we did. We we talked about her. and
00:54:33.01
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:54:33.58
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:34.39
Russell Gibson
All right. Great. All right. And we're back. This is our final segment of today. Let's talk some Alex, uh, prism black one of one. Are you ready for this?
00:54:45.98
Adz
I'm very ready.
00:54:47.69
Russell Gibson
Born ready. All right. So this fits into my narrative of the hobby is not dead. For me, Alex, sir is a very mid prospect.
00:55:01.74
Russell Gibson
And he's a Washington wizard and he's a big guy.
00:55:02.47
Adz
Mm.
00:55:04.82
Adz
Mm.
00:55:07.56
Russell Gibson
He's not particularly that exciting offensively.
00:55:07.82
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:55:11.08
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:55:12.01
Russell Gibson
i would say he's a reasonable rebounder and he's a developing defender. Yet his black one of one just sold for $29,000 in PSA 9.
00:55:18.98
Adz
Okay.
00:55:25.04
Russell Gibson
So I think, you know, for all the people, and you hear a lot of negativity going around the place. I think for me, this is just the absolute reminder, the reinforcer that there is still a lot of optimism
00:55:38.01
Adz
In the hobby.
00:55:38.75
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:55:39.49
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:39.50
Russell Gibson
And I think there's also too, a lot of hardcore collectors out there that obviously there's more than one person bidding on this. That's the other thing that like really rings to me, you know?
00:55:45.79
Adz
ah Agree. Yeah. That people are bidding.
00:55:48.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:55:49.38
Adz
okay
00:55:49.43
Russell Gibson
So, um where do I sit on cards like this? Look, I think that if this fits into your PC and you really want it you know, I think hats off to you. I'm happy for you.
00:56:00.95
Russell Gibson
I'm proud of you. But I think where I sort of line into this is like, what could I have bought instead?
00:56:02.12
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:06.71
Russell Gibson
And I think where I'm really, my head is going to these days is trying to think more in terms of the, the all time perspective NBA. So for me at the moment, it's Kobe Bryant autographs.
00:56:14.89
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:17.57
Adz
Yeah, for sure.
00:56:17.66
Russell Gibson
Like how can you justify buying an Alexar when you could buy say five, let's say four or five Kobe autographs.
00:56:22.67
Adz
And Kobe.
00:56:28.41
Adz
weird, isn't it?
00:56:29.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:56:30.75
Adz
Bizarre.
00:56:31.05
Russell Gibson
And we've seen a really big spike in Kobe autos, and I don't... I think it might peter off a little bit, but i I think this sort of...
00:56:37.90
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:39.97
Russell Gibson
I think we're just seeing the beginning of what Kobe autographs are going to be looking like over the next few years, so... Look, this is a really tricky one for me. This is a sell. I don't think this is a buy or a hold.
00:56:51.52
Russell Gibson
this is just like, if I hit this in a break, I send it off to a consignment service and just send it off and sell it.
00:56:53.31
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:58.27
Russell Gibson
Honestly.
00:56:59.03
Adz
For sure.
00:56:59.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Tricky one. Where are you at with Alex? Yeah.
00:57:03.11
Adz
I don't know. I think the jury's out. I think it's a bold purchase. um
00:57:06.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:07.68
Adz
Yeah, you're right. you can There's so many other things you could do. i could buy 10 Nikola Jokic rookies. Like, come on.
00:57:12.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:14.77
Adz
Come on. Raise the bar. Why are people... You never know. This guy might be the next Nikola Jokic. I doubt it. Yeah. But it's people trying to get in early, i guess.
00:57:28.53
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:57:29.53
Adz
Yeah, that could be a $2 million dollars card if he becomes the next Nikola Jokic.
00:57:34.52
Adz
Once again, I don't think he will be.
00:57:38.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:39.76
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:40.43
Russell Gibson
That's a tough one. All right. Now this next one, I don't really want to go into this in terms of like a popcorn activity.
00:57:47.01
Adz
Okay.
00:57:47.36
Russell Gibson
more just want to talk about this pretty high level. And I want to talk about this in terms of
00:57:51.53
Adz
Mm.
00:57:54.86
Russell Gibson
how the hobby can be sometimes. Okay. So I'm just going to summarize this to the best of my ability. And if I get some facts wrong, I do apologize, but I also want to summarize it without going to every single small detail.
00:58:11.82
Russell Gibson
So there was a trade that happened on Veriswap and it was a reasonably large trade.
00:58:15.55
Adz
Yep.
00:58:16.71
Russell Gibson
I think it was around 20K trade that happened and went down. So it was it was a very large trade.
00:58:21.79
Adz
okay
00:58:24.55
Russell Gibson
And then the parcel turned up empty at the other end of the trade. What turned out had happened, there was no insurance applied to the postage when it was shipped off.
00:58:38.43
Russell Gibson
So then the liability came back to Veriswap. But when this was communicated by the member to Veriswap, there was alleged radio silence.
00:58:51.25
Russell Gibson
And it wasn't until other members spoke up and they were listed onto the scammers website. There's a huge American scammers website.
00:58:59.02
Adz
Mm-hmm. huh
00:59:01.45
Russell Gibson
until it was listed onto that, a response from Veriswap wasn't received. And once it was then received, they actually did make the gentleman whole and compensate him for it.
00:59:16.01
Russell Gibson
And so i think what I want to say about this is that it's really interesting for me because even a massive... platform, like use eBay as an example, use Goldens as an example.
00:59:29.51
Russell Gibson
It's really difficult to find a platform that doesn't have any warts or hasn't got any like bad history.
00:59:29.88
Adz
Yeah,
00:59:35.64
Adz
hu
00:59:35.75
Russell Gibson
And so I think it's really interesting for me to see something like Veriswap, which I think is, it's a relative startup in the industry and the it's not fair to call them small, but they're still, there they're an emerging platform.
00:59:48.23
Adz
yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:51.24
Russell Gibson
They were basically built around a huge hole in the hobby where it was impossible for people to trade cards with any type of security. And essentially, they're stepping in and acting as a middleman. So for them to sort of create this thing for the hobby, and look, they're making money out of it.
01:00:08.04
Russell Gibson
And there's nothing wrong with people making money. Like I think they come up with a good idea and they're working hard, all that stuff. ah That's not my issue. But... I think if you are charging fees for it and you're not taking care of your business, I think there's a bit of a problem with that.
01:00:23.41
Russell Gibson
i think the communication part is really interesting because at the end of the day, they they solved the problem and they shouldn't be on scammers for it, but obviously they're now on scammers and it won't be removed.
01:00:33.39
Adz
Mmm. Mm-hmm.
01:00:36.15
Russell Gibson
so i don't these By the way, I don't think this is a scam. I just think the communication was really poor. but it's also around timelines. I think people's expectations these days are instant gratification, instant resolution.
01:00:44.76
Adz
Yeah.
01:00:49.90
Russell Gibson
And I'm like that myself sometimes. Like I contacted Netflix recently and they told me it was going to be a three day turnaround.
01:00:54.12
Adz
Yep.
01:00:56.67
Russell Gibson
I was like losing my shit. It's like and at the time you're like three days.
01:00:59.56
Adz
Ha ha ha!
01:01:02.10
Russell Gibson
I like, i want to watch my show now. like and so i understand why people like have a sense of urgency. Like that's totally fine. But yeah, I think also too, sometimes you do have to you know give people time to investigate on their end actually what happened. you know Is there fraud happening on the opposite end?
01:01:21.20
Adz
Mmm.
01:01:22.60
Russell Gibson
like It's fine to point out that someone has made an error, but at the same time too, it doesn't mean they're going to you compensate you within
01:01:31.02
Adz
Yeah.
01:01:31.90
Russell Gibson
12 hours, 24 hours. And so i think you do have to give people some sort of leeway. um People that are now disagree with my opinion on this, and that's totally fine. And by the way, I've had no communication with Raymond on this. I'm not some Raymond simp.
01:01:46.01
Russell Gibson
I'm just trying to paint both sides of the story here. And so, you know, look,
01:01:48.92
Adz
Well, apparently based on this, there's no, you wouldn't have been able to speak to who doesn't respond to anybody.
01:01:53.24
Russell Gibson
well, I did message him to ask him to come back onto the show. He didn't reply. So yes, we, we actually, we do fit into that profile there from Ray.
01:01:57.20
Adz
Funny that.
01:02:01.52
Russell Gibson
So look, ah so I think at the end of the day of this, I'm going to put this into the Cherry Collectibles thing. They have just had an app. They've had thousands of clicks come onto their site because of this.
01:02:12.15
Adz
Mm.
01:02:12.49
Russell Gibson
i think they're going to be fine. I think that this is a very small blip on their radar in terms of their um their productivity. And look, at the end of the day, they actually might improve their service out of this. I think if they're smart,
01:02:24.49
Adz
Yeah.
01:02:24.67
Russell Gibson
they improve their service out of this and they do some type of calculation and say, is it worth us paying for insurance or do we every now and then just cough it up and then and cover it that way?
01:02:32.90
Adz
Covering, yeah.
01:02:34.89
Russell Gibson
And so, you know, they need to do the numbers on that and that's on there on their end. But yeah, look, I mean, remember when Cherry Collectibles was flaunting around everyone's Luca rookies that they hadn't posted out to them from breaks and there was that huge thing that actually just boosted up their popularity.
01:02:48.21
Adz
Yeah.
01:02:49.41
Russell Gibson
And so, you know, I'm sure there's going to be some people, members from Verisorp are going to leave, but
01:02:50.96
Adz
Infamy.
01:02:55.83
Adz
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
01:02:57.05
Russell Gibson
People can leave and also come back to a service.
01:03:01.70
Adz
That's a good point.
01:03:02.68
Russell Gibson
We've all been petulant at some point in our life and, you know, done a rage quit, right? Like, it doesn't mean you're not going to come crawling back. So but what's your thoughts on this?
01:03:09.22
Adz
Ha! Look, um
01:03:14.72
Adz
I don't know. I think when you start a big... business, and I say big business, it could be relative to what you but you do.
01:03:20.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:24.58
Adz
But once you go public and have a platform and you make assurances to your public, um things like i wasn't reachable, i'm I'm on holiday and I didn't respond, not being non-responsive is unacceptable.
01:03:28.58
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:03:37.51
Adz
You should have a team in place that respond to to queries
01:03:40.98
Russell Gibson
That's right. There should be some type of escalation plan. Yeah.
01:03:43.72
Adz
Yeah, you're not you're not... You shouldn't just be a dude in your basement. He's the only one that responds.
01:03:50.05
Russell Gibson
And even if that response is, thank you for your message, we will get back to you in five business days.
01:03:56.59
Adz
Acknowledgement. Correct.
01:03:57.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:58.16
Adz
Correct.
01:03:58.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:58.56
Adz
um I think it lacks a lot of professional courtesy and and there's a lot of lessons to be learned here.
01:04:03.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's super frustrating, by the way.
01:04:04.12
Adz
I
01:04:05.00
Russell Gibson
And yeah, that you're 100% right. I could have portrayed that better. Absolutely.
01:04:09.50
Adz
um
01:04:10.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:10.72
Adz
i just think... i just think um Once you take that step from being um ah someone that's dabbling in buying, selling, helping with transactions to providing a service and launching a platform, you should be ready for that.
01:04:25.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:30.45
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:04:30.75
Adz
There's a big difference between, I mean, you could you could compare it to someone that's got a table at a trade show transitioning to becoming a business.
01:04:42.90
Adz
like Like a proper, like there's a big difference between the way, don't know, Cherry, Fastbreak, shops like that operated at at ah at a trade show versus Joe Blow who's got just his collection there selling.
01:04:57.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:59.56
Adz
There's an expectation. You're a business. You're you're actually like an author. You're an authority in in in the space.
01:05:07.32
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:05:07.75
Adz
You can't behave like an individual.
01:05:10.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think maybe that's also part of the anger too, is that you go to these places, you pay the fees, which can be considered high.
01:05:19.83
Adz
Yep.
01:05:21.01
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:05:21.29
Adz
Are you paying for a service, right?
01:05:22.63
Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah. Look, at the end of the day, Raymond's a really smart dude. I think he's come up with a fantastic product. you know I think this will just be a little bit of you know egg on their faces and they'll move on from this really well.
01:05:36.11
Adz
Well, i think I think rather than justifying and defending, the the the focus needs to be rectifying and and making a better product.
01:05:36.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah
01:05:43.91
Russell Gibson
Well, he was on Jeff Wilson's show this week, so obviously he's moving up and up onto bigger and better things.
01:05:50.13
Adz
Oh, he's with justs Jeff Wilson. He's picked the the right path, hasn't he?
01:05:53.45
Russell Gibson
So they actually, they did a, um like a YouTube live video. They were showing the cards that would, the trades had been on their platform and then breaking them down.
01:05:57.24
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:01.73
Adz
Mm-hmm.
01:06:02.34
Russell Gibson
It was actually like, it was pretty good.
01:06:03.55
Adz
Pretty cool.
01:06:03.78
Russell Gibson
Similar to what we do with card versus card on card letter, they doing it like on the Veriswap stuff.
01:06:06.52
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:07.70
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.
01:06:08.26
Adz
Nice. Nice.
01:06:09.62
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's finish the show on a good note. I want to talk about the Thunder Picks this year.
01:06:17.56
Russell Gibson
The Thunder will have the number 15 pick from Miami via the Clippers, the number 24 pick swap with the Clippers, and a 36% chance of the 7-8 pick from Philly, and also potentially the NBA champions.
01:06:37.67
Russell Gibson
This doesn't make you happy, does it?
01:06:41.26
Adz
Enough said about the Thunder. Found my new team. I'm on board. No, no, I'm not leaving my purple and gold.
01:06:50.79
Russell Gibson
That's amazing, honestly. Hats off to them.
01:06:56.00
Adz
There are some teams that just know how to do it right. Nev.
01:06:58.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah. They've nailed it.
01:07:03.01
Russell Gibson
Thanks for a great show, and thank you at home, everybody, for listening. Our fans in Germany, Philippines, Canada, New Zealand, the US, Australia.
01:07:12.28
Adz
The US.
01:07:14.95
Russell Gibson
Thank you, everybody, for tuning in for Home and Abroad. Thank you to our friends at Central Coast Radio, and Adam, thank you again for your time.
01:07:22.95
Adz
Thanks for another good show, Russell.
01:07:24.24
Russell Gibson
Have a great week.
01:07:25.47
Adz
We'll see you next week.