You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 215 – OKC Advances, Counterfeits & Hobby Icons
In this week’s show:
🌀 OKC heads to the Finals – SGA delivers again as the Thunder take down the Wolves.
🗽 Pacers vs Knicks – How far can Haliburton push Indy?
🔥 LeBron & Kobe 1/1 auction via @goldin
🚨 Counterfeit Pokémon cards – how big is the problem?
🔭 Long-term vision in the hobby
💰 Steph Gold Refractor: Huge sale
👑 Bill Russell 1961 Fleer legacy
⏳ MJ spotlight
Listener Comment (NeilCollectsCards):
🚨 Neil calls out our anti-Shai bias 🚨
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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 215 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.
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Adz
And we're coming a little bit early this week, coming to all our listeners in on Central Coast Radio who would have listened to us on the Thursday, maybe, or the Tuesday.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
I don't know. There's a few different listening times.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um's All those live on YouTube and watching back on YouTube. and And obviously our friends listening on Spotify and other podcast platforms around the world. Welcome. And um
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Adz
yeah, g'day, Russell.
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Russell Gibson
yeah How you doing, mate?
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Adz
I'm good. I'm good.
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Russell Gibson
Getting excited for this Sunday?
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Adz
It's this Sunday is rapidly approaching. um
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Hobby Hangout XL. It's going to be a huge show.
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Russell Gibson
going be XL.
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Adz
Hence the extra large, I guess it's bigger.
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Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah.
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Adz
It's extra. Well, I've seen the venue. I've been to the exhibition building for for for many events or not many, but enough.
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Russell Gibson
I mean,
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Russell Gibson
for t-shirt sizes, XL is not that big.
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Adz
That's true.
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Russell Gibson
What are we up to now? Medium
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Adz
Yeah, but what what size was the original Hobby Hangout? It could have been a small.
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Russell Gibson
maybe? maybe
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Adz
Yeah, but imagine like if the venue in North Melbourne was the small or the medium, the XL, proportionally it would be much larger.
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Russell Gibson
Proportionally, it's much larger.
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Adz
Yeah, it's true.
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Russell Gibson
I think we'll just go straight into a sponsorship ad. like
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Adz
Oh, look, it's it's not even and ah it's not even like an ad advertisement.
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Russell Gibson
There's no point to...
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Adz
It's more plugging ourselves really, isn't it?
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Russell Gibson
Well, yeah, we we can get to that too.
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Adz
Yeah, true.
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Russell Gibson
So look, probably the best way to do this is actually just go to Instagram, jump onto at the hobby hangout AU and just scroll through their page. And it was just got oodles and oodles of things that you can look at and prepare yourself for, for the weekend.
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Russell Gibson
So they've got the the floor layout there, which looks absolutely fantastic.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
It's got the stage. It's got the trading zone.
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Adz
huh
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Russell Gibson
Looks to me like the kiosk is right next to the stage. That's going to be perfect. So people can just go grab a drink, sit down at the stage and listen to the content that's going to be on there all day.
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Adz
Grab a coffee. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And we'll touch a little bit more on the content in a bit. There's a magic area, a poker zone. There's the bowl bit in the middle where whatnot and golden is going to be.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
At the entry end, there's also the food trucks which are outside. So I'm assuming they're going to have some type of pass out system.
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Adz
Yeah, that'll be.
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Russell Gibson
It's bit annoying for me. I'm not going to lie to you. I don't really like pass outs, but I'll definitely be going out to grab a burger at some stage.
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Adz
I'm sure one of those great smash burger food trucks will be there as always.
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Russell Gibson
Well, yeah, just announced trade night the night before.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
So the 31st of May 5 to 8 at Cherry 115 Batman Street in Melbourne.
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Adz
Ooh.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Adz
That is around the corner from my place. So I'm i'm tempted.
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Russell Gibson
You might have to toddle on down.
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Adz
i might I might walk, go for a stroll around Docklands and just you know end up at Cherry for a trade night.
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Russell Gibson
PG CG, Goldens, Pan Fried Cards, the footy lads, Dane Swan, Zach Merritt, Brent Harvey have all been announced to be there.
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Adz
Excellent. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Looking at the next one, this is us. So 11.30 to 12.30, A Z of card grading is going hosted by us. 1 to 2.30, $1 singles auctions by Whatnot.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
3 to 3.30, again, that's us. Collector Spotlight, 3.45 to 5.15 live breaks with what not
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Adz
lot going on, isn't it? That's all happening. like There's going vendors galore. There's going to be, I know, Magic the Gathering drafts happening.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
There's Pokemon collector zones, trade zones, exhibitors galore.
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Russell Gibson
That's right.
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Adz
And to to to offset the number of exhibitors there will be, I'm sure the patrons will be just as free-flowing and, yes.
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Russell Gibson
Correct.
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Russell Gibson
o
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Adz
Yes.
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Russell Gibson
As far as I know, there is still tickets left, but there's not thousands of tickets left.
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Adz
there were less that There were less than 500 tickets last I checked. I think it was down below 300 possibly last time.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
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Adz
Yeah,
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Russell Gibson
That's the figure I had in my head in too, but at the same time, I haven't, you know, I don't see all that backend stuff. So anyway, look, thank you to Andrew for supporting the podcast and also thank you for the opportunity to be up on the main stage with whatnot.
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Russell Gibson
It's, I can't really say it's a dream come true for me, but it's a, it's an opportunity that I am am very much looking forward to and I'm really excited about it, to be honest.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah. Well.
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Adz
ah
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Adz
Yeah, is it was very humbling to be asked to to host the panels.
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Russell Gibson
So, yeah. Yeah, that's right.
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Adz
and and And yeah, look, we'll also be roaming, doing some interviews on the side, of course, talking to people. um You will not be able to miss us. We'll be branded for the day.
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Adz
So you'll be able to spot us.
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Russell Gibson
That's right. We've got the ugly fluorescent green and yellow on in full color. So yeah that's right.
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Adz
Full view. We'll be wearing our logos proudly.
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Russell Gibson
Absolutely. All right. I think what we're going to do is we're going to go straight into a listener comment to start this week's show. We put up a video, basically a clip of last week's podcast.
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Russell Gibson
And the clip was talking about Jokic and SGA and And then we had a listener, Neil Collects Cards. So that's at Neil Collects Cards on Instagram.
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Russell Gibson
This episode really showed a huge anti-Shea bias.
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Adz
This is a really sure question.
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Russell Gibson
You give Ant much more credit and SGA much less, and you downplay OKC's historic season, tied for the fifth most wins and the best point differential in history.
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Russell Gibson
In a league where every team jacks up a million threes a game, It is a breath breath of fresh air to see SGA work the mid-range and drive to the hoop as often as he does. Put some respect on him and OKC.
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Russell Gibson
So do you want to reply to this first ad or do should I just get into full defense mode?
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Adz
you want to – well, you want to go to defense mode? I'm just going to – you know I'm going to be offense mode, and Mr. i love Luka Doncic. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Well, no, you go first then because I feel like we might have very different perspectives on this answer.
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Adz
i look Look, yeah, I get it. i get what OKC has achieved, um but I think it's shade against... I still think the MVP was shade against Jokic.
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Adz
I think the overall narrative, I'm not discounting what SGA has done. And look, I also listened to the Steve Nash and LeBron James podcast that did ah talk about the mid-range game and how Shea is sort of reinventing stuff and in that zone. I get it But the the the thing is, my big shade is that SGA is a point machine, and I'm saying it gets, just like James Harden did, a lot of his points at that free throw line, and I don't think it's justified a lot of the time.
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Russell Gibson
Thank you.
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Adz
That's an opinion. I'm allowed to have one. But I think Nikola Jokic is the best player in the world and his value add to the Denver Nuggets is much more valuable than SGA's add to to the Thunder.
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Adz
I think the Thunder are a better put together team and he's a great part of that. And I'm not just discrediting SGA's output. He's had a great season. Don't get me wrong. I just think the Joker is...
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Adz
was a more deserving winner of the MVP.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And yeah, you're probably right. I'm a bit rough on the Thunder. So I've underrated them all year. But we've got we can't have the same opinion.
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Russell Gibson
So I think...
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Adz
That'd be boring.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I think my response to this is that I think we've publicly said that we dropped the ball at SGA's value because I think...
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Adz
Agreed. Agreed, agreed, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Our 12-month sentiment on SGA was that it seemed to me like he was going up without a lot of true sort of on-court performance happening.
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Russell Gibson
it was It was all very much prospective performance.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
And so I think that's where my concern was.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And then it kept going up and it kept going up. And I was kind of like, well, you know, where is this going to end? And, you know, is this going to be a bubble that's going to be burst? And look, if we, to be fair, we don't know the end of this story yet. So it's, we're still being, we're still guessing the future in this space. But like last week, i actually said, look, I think I'm starting to change on this because now he's got the MVP and he seems very close to a championship at this point.
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Russell Gibson
You know, I can be, you know, convinced a little bit more on that sort of thing. So I think, you know, that's my, that's the first thing I'd like to say to it. I think that in terms of the gameplay part, I think we've been speaking a lot this year about how that not every team does throw up threes. And we've been discussing that, you know, on multiple occasions. so
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Adz
we've been we've been talking about um publicly trying to call Andrew Bogut on this comment.
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Russell Gibson
that, yeah, that's right. We've been making jokes about that, isn't it?
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Adz
wait wait wait we're goingnna We're going hunting for him at the Hobby Hangout to actually raise that point exactly, that not every team plays the same way.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think that's like, for me, that's a very interesting narrative in the NBA at the moment is that I think all people look at is just the, you know, the actual three point shooting.
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Russell Gibson
And I think like to me,
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
that's a very shallow sort of analysis of the NBA. And like, if you take a long two, that is literally the statistically worst shot in the league that you can take.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So, and you know, you can make a very strong argument that really what's happened the last few years is people have just got smarter now. So instead of taking long twos, they're just taking a three pointer. And I think,
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Adz
Sure.
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Russell Gibson
you know That would change a lot of the numbers if you sort of compared those.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
And let's just say you called a long two or three now, what would actually the shot charts look like?
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think that's kind of, you know, that's a huge, i don't know how you'd even do that, but that's probably my opinion on that a little bit too. i think us taking respect off OKC, look, I think part of it is, we probably haven't spoken about team success that much.
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Russell Gibson
work I think we more talk about individual cards than like true breaking down the NBA.
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Adz
That's fair.
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Russell Gibson
So, and I think I've been very obsessed with Jokic this year.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah
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Russell Gibson
I think that's probably if, you know, if I had to summarize or pick one player that I have spoken about the most this year, it's definitely Jokic. And probably this is where Neil's frustration comes a little bit with my opinion is that,
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Russell Gibson
with SGA winning it, I've actually said, you know, Yoki got ripped off. So maybe that's also, you know, where this comment comes from.
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Adz
yeah. Yeah. Yeah, look, look we're definitely we're definitely ones that if we were in the media voting, and votes would have gone to Nikola Jokic.
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Russell Gibson
Look.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, no doubt.
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Adz
Mine would. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Anyway. So look, I'm glad that we've um actually rubbed a few people up the wrong way with this, to be honest. I think it's because sometimes I think we're too neutral ad. So it's actually good that we've, we've laid our spot down.
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Adz
Yeah, that's fair. um ah to Look, I mean, um i don't know if Neil wants to, you the the clip will go up for this week's show at some point.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um So if Neil wants to reply in the comments, I do have a question though.
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Russell Gibson
Talk to me.
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Adz
My question is the one thing we've been critical of, or I've been critical of with regards to this rate, this spike is, is it people going too hard?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Have we missed the boat on it? I think personally that the price is going too high.
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Adz
Now, that's where my question comes down to.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um has he have they gone over Have people gone over the top? Does that make sense? Like, is this a a ah bubble that's going to burst and and come back down to earth?
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Russell Gibson
Look,
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Russell Gibson
look, I think this is something we can look at right now.
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Adz
Here's my question.
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Russell Gibson
but And the reason I said that is, is because people do time purchases and also when they put up sales.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
So for example, what we saw when the Boston Celtics were in the finals last year, Tatum didn't go up, Tatum went down. So people were timing their sales around that event.
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Adz
Yep.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
And I was expecting it to go up when in fact that's, we we saw the exact opposite. So I think that's something that we could absolutely look at right now.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
so let's go to the last three months. This is for SGA Silver PSA 10.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
Population is 691. Last 1,300. three months, 13%. The last one month, he's down half percent. he's down $7. And then the last two weeks, he's actually up 7%.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
thirteen cent
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
last one month he down half a percent so he's down seven dollars
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Adz
yeah so
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Russell Gibson
and in the last two weeks he's actually seven percent so
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Adz
Six month data is very interesting. He's like doubled in price over six over a six month period. And I think that's where the concern lies because now, I don't know.
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Russell Gibson
He's had insane, he' has had absolutely insane growth. Look.
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Adz
like like Someone like, car ah sorry, Anthony Edwards did it last year in the playoffs. they He had that crazy spike where like he was going to be the second coming of Jordan. And then they lost in the Western Conference Finals.
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Adz
um So I don't know, maybe. um i just, not saying they won't win the championship because they put themselves in a damn good position to do so.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. but This is a like...
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Adz
But if he if he doesn't win, is this like, is this projection buying again? That's where my question has always been the value.
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Russell Gibson
This is...
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Adz
Sorry.
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Russell Gibson
No, no, it's totally fine. Look, my answer to that is I think you can be spending a thousand plus on this guy at the moment and be confident because of how good that team is looking moving into the future.
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Russell Gibson
And I suppose my... This is a pretty weak argument, but this is the question that I would ask to try and like convince you if you're not convinced. Pick two NBA teams that could win three championships in the next five years.
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Adz
Had two teams that could win champion multiple championships in the next five years.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Three.
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Russell Gibson
Three in the fight next five years.
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Adz
three
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Because for me, it's the Thunder. And then after that, for me, it's a really difficult one.
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Adz
ah ah now Now that Luka's a Laker, i reckon I reckon the Lakers will try and help Luka win. so
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Russell Gibson
Maybe.
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Adz
like i but i But that's a franchise thing.
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Russell Gibson
i wouldn't guarantee.
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Adz
I think Denver will retool. um
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Russell Gibson
i wouldn't say three out of five for the Lakers and I wouldn't say three out of five for the Nuggets either.
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Adz
Interesting.
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Russell Gibson
whereas Whereas the Thunder, I'm like, they could definitely do it.
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Adz
I know that Thunder have got the draft stock. Yeah, yeah, the draft stock.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
is I mean, the other team we talked about...
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Russell Gibson
Plus they've got a young team and it's developing, right?
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Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
That's true. wait Based on the way they construct, you're right. The Thunder are a front runner for it. They've got all the picks in the bag.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
We've seen teams manage that poorly.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And I think someone tried to curse them by putting a photo of Harden, Durant and Westbrook ah um as a last time they were here kind of thing.
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Russell Gibson
I actually, i don't like that comp at all because we can look back at that Harden-Durant team and say, we know why they broke up. They they couldn't coexist together.
00:14:55.32
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Sure, sure.
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Russell Gibson
But you look at the chemistry...
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Adz
But it's like, were they too young and inexperienced, I think is the comp, right? Like last year they weren't ready.
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Russell Gibson
Nah, because no... No, that's not true. Because think about what's hard what is Harden done his whole career. What has KD done his whole career? Jump from team to team. that That was never going to be a happy, you know, a happy boat sort of thing.
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Adz
Yeah, of course.
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Russell Gibson
Whereas you look at this Thunder team, like they they hang out together and they're wearing do-rags together and doing all those like stupid photo shoots they do.
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Adz
Mm.
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Russell Gibson
And then he bought everyone a Rolex when he won MVP.
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Adz
Mm, mm.
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Russell Gibson
Like that's... that's You don't get that on every team.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
like It's crazy. Hey, one more quick thing before we go to a break. SGA is 26 years of age. So he's not... I wouldn't even make the argument he's in his prime yet. We could expect him to get better.
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Adz
No, no, yep.
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Russell Gibson
Anthony Edwards is 23. Jason Tatum is 27. He'll be back when he's 28. Fully functional and he's 29. Jokic is currently 30. Jalen Brunson is 28.
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Russell Gibson
Halliburton's 25. So they're the sort of the other guys who I think are you know young and upcoming.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah. Oh, how old's Luca? 25. twenty five
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Russell Gibson
Let me have a look at that. 26. 26.
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Russell Gibson
twenty six
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Do you know what mean? Like, he's the same age Luka.
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Adz
And now they're going to have played the same number of NBA finals.
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Russell Gibson
Crazy that, yeah, SGA's MVP before Luka.
00:16:24.88
Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Who would have thought?
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Adz
Same draft class. um I'm just looking at Anthony. I'm just putting one-year stats up for all these players that we're sort of skimming through.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Like Luke is down 50%. was year ago. He was for a silver PSA 10. sold is at 990.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.
00:16:41.16
Adz
for a silver p s a ten last sold is at nine hundred and ninety So just ah around that mark. an
00:16:48.02
Russell Gibson
you reckon people dumped Lucas and bought SGA's?
00:16:51.47
Adz
probably not But there's the Anthony Edwards factor, which as I was talking this time last year, he'd he'd hit that sort of gone up to that 1,200 mark in the playoffs. And then he peaked actually in so just before, I think August, Kobe day of all days, at like 1,300.
00:17:10.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.
00:17:10.44
Adz
And then it's just slowly declined through the season.
00:17:13.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:14.30
Adz
getting down to 630 at one point, actually even lower than that.
00:17:17.79
Russell Gibson
Is
00:17:18.52
Adz
There there was a $560 sale of his PSA 10. He's currently sitting at 885 for his rookie card. So if you look at SGA, it was, he's, for the last three or four months, he's just skyrocketed.
00:17:28.53
Russell Gibson
that a buyer?
00:17:34.65
Adz
So I just said, depending on success and things, like- didn't get that. Could you try?
00:17:42.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:43.99
Adz
that Is that my, that's my damn phone, my watch, trying to answer me. But the question is, i mean, we we can we can talk about what's going on in the Eastern Conference as well because feel like the second coming of Magic Johnson, it lives in Indiana.
00:17:59.80
Adz
But um yeah, this time last year, Anthony Edwards was hitting that $1,300 mark, right?
00:18:00.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:06.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:07.11
Adz
So we we'll wait and see. I just, my biggest concern is people pay future prices for things.
00:18:14.41
Russell Gibson
Oh, for sure. And I think you can get swept up.
00:18:15.28
Adz
And it's a projected, yeah. Like, i don't I don't, yeah, I think we missed the boat when it hit the thousand, but when it kept going, I'm done.
00:18:18.28
Russell Gibson
That's what I worry with SGA is that, oh, we absolutely but like miscalled this. Well, i I can't say we, I'm saying for myself, I absolutely did.
00:18:31.05
Adz
Yeah.
00:18:31.35
Russell Gibson
But you know, look, it's tough.
00:18:32.79
Adz
Yeah.
00:18:33.71
Russell Gibson
All right, let's go to a break and then we'll come back.
00:18:35.35
Adz
Yeah. Let's have a quick break and, yeah.
00:18:38.11
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:18:48.13
Russell Gibson
Already, Ad, we are back.
00:18:50.64
Adz
We are back.
00:18:50.75
Russell Gibson
How are you doing, buddy?
00:18:52.08
Adz
I'm great. I'm great. Still excited for the weekend. And I've got that Shea talk out of my system.
00:18:58.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so we've we've talked about Shea, but I think we should actually go back to the Western Conference and talk about the Western Conference finals. I would actually like to break that down a little bit more.
00:19:12.64
Russell Gibson
The one thing I want to talk to you about is Now I'm summarizing an hour of some very high-end analytical podcasting right now, but Kevin O'Connor did a really good podcast today about the Wolves and Thunder series.
00:19:27.08
Adz
ah hu
00:19:27.39
Russell Gibson
And my favorite part of that podcast was the analogy they made that... Anthony Edwards is currently the like the James Harden of the league where he's an amazing scorer. He's three pointers and at the basket.
00:19:41.39
Adz
Yep.
00:19:41.58
Russell Gibson
But then when he comes to the playoffs, he really struggles.
00:19:44.94
Adz
Interesting.
00:19:45.19
Russell Gibson
So I love that comp so much. And i think it's an interesting one, but I'll also probably say too that I don't think that Anthony Edwards is at the end of his developmental phase of his sort of career.
00:20:00.28
Russell Gibson
So I think he'll keep getting better.
00:20:02.21
Adz
I think he's, remember Giannis and Kawhi Leonard did this, where they improved something every year and they just got better and better and better. I think Anthony Edwards is that kind of guy.
00:20:11.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I think like the last couple of weeks, we've been very complimentary about the Wolves and the restructure on the run that they've done of that team. But I do get the feeling that the Randall Edwards pairing is not the best pairing in the league.
00:20:27.77
Russell Gibson
And I think the other reason why I gave the wolves such a high mark on that trade was the the money that it saved them.
00:20:28.08
Adz
Yeah.
00:20:34.99
Russell Gibson
So Carl Anthony Towns has still got three more years on his contract now that he's, I believe Randall's going to be out of contract at the end of the year.
00:20:36.20
Adz
True.
00:20:43.28
Adz
Yep. Be interesting to see what happens in that space.
00:20:44.72
Russell Gibson
so I actually hope they blow that space up.
00:20:46.70
Adz
Because he's a good player.
00:20:50.00
Russell Gibson
I hope they just go out and do something pretty wild or they do something like let Randall go and then put Nas Reed into that and then try and rebuild their roster in other parts because yeah, like if they get creative, that would actually, you know, really make me quite happy.
00:20:59.50
Adz
Yeah, like I hope they do something with it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
00:21:06.81
Russell Gibson
And that's the other thing about Nas Reed too is,
00:21:10.12
Adz
Mm.
00:21:11.99
Russell Gibson
he would be a starter on just about every team except for the wolves for some insane reason. So anyway, the, and then the other thing they spoke about too, is what you were touching on before with the mid range game and how that in the playoffs, maybe this is why Shea is so good is because he can score from the three point line.
00:21:17.66
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:29.36
Russell Gibson
He can score in the mid range. And of course he can get to the basket and draw a whole heap of free throws. you know, maybe that's something that Edwards needs to do is actually, you know, add that mid range part to his game and,
00:21:40.83
Adz
Yeah. I mean, that I had criticisms and and not to, and once again, the game's officiated how it's officiated, right?
00:21:41.88
Russell Gibson
And again,
00:21:48.93
Adz
It is how it is.
00:21:49.18
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:21:50.13
Adz
But watching it, I feel like there was a, where there was a, whatever, if it's a perceived bias towards because the Thunder are a little bit smaller They get away with more physical stuff and Caruso got away with a lot of of cheap fouls in the playoffs.
00:22:11.51
Adz
And it could be a size factor. The bigger guys get called harder for it. I don't know. But they played Anthony Edwards very physically and if you breathe on Shea Gildress Alexander, he gets a foul call.
00:22:25.42
Adz
That was all I got from watching from watching games. And that's where the criticism comes from.
00:22:32.32
Russell Gibson
I think the Thunder play very hard defensively. So i think
00:22:37.21
Adz
Do you reward that by calling fouls the other way against them? do you know what I mean?
00:22:41.36
Russell Gibson
i think that' i think to me, there's sort of two separate conversations being had there. Like I think one is how much defensive pressure can you apply without getting called for a foul?
00:22:49.95
Adz
But does one feed the other is my...
00:22:51.94
Russell Gibson
No, I don't think so. I think it's two separate things. But i think so I think traditionally what's happened in this league is that if you're the best player, you will get more calls.
00:22:54.28
Adz
Hmm.
00:23:02.28
Russell Gibson
And he has literally had a crown placed on his head this series. So i think there is somewhat, whether it's you know true or not, like Jordan used to get favorable calls at the end.
00:23:10.62
Adz
Yeah, yeah
00:23:14.11
Russell Gibson
you know LeBron used to.
00:23:16.56
Adz
yeah. Maybe we're going to give the Jordan treatment to Shea and the Kobe treatment to Edwards. He's the villain.
00:23:21.70
Russell Gibson
i I actually felt it a little bit uncomfortable even saying it at the time. Look, I don't know whether that's right or wrong. Anyway, look, let's just really quickly talk about Edwards again. do we need to talk about that again in terms of pricing?
00:23:32.93
Russell Gibson
He's at $8.85.
00:23:33.16
Adz
No, no, he's at 885. We know that.
00:23:34.98
Russell Gibson
Look, so my question is to you, is is that a buy though?
00:23:39.56
Russell Gibson
Because he's had a lot of success in a pretty short period of time in a league that is ultra competitive.
00:23:48.93
Russell Gibson
I don't think this team is built that well. I think that they've got a good front office that will keep improving it. I expect Dillingham to be better.
00:24:00.55
Russell Gibson
i don't think the Randall thing is, is the end game.
00:24:02.29
Adz
I think Randall's done. I look i don't think Randall's in game.
00:24:04.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:05.77
Adz
They'll retool.
00:24:06.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:07.39
Adz
um But they were out they were outclassed in this series.
00:24:12.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:13.33
Adz
um And the funny thing is, I think the reason they took this in game five is not because of Shea. I think that block by Chet in game four is is the sealer.
00:24:26.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:28.17
Adz
It was that block by Chet, so.
00:24:31.27
Russell Gibson
Like, actually, thank you for saying that because seems to me like the narrative at the moment is that it's SGA and then Williams is number two and then Chet is number three.
00:24:41.76
Adz
Nah.
00:24:42.63
Russell Gibson
I'm actually far more excited by Chet as a prospect, even though he's a big and that sort of goes against the grain of, you know, the guard collectability score that we spoke about a few weeks ago.
00:24:47.40
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:24:52.28
Adz
Yep.
00:24:53.76
Russell Gibson
I actually get a lot of Kevin Durant vibes from this kid in just in the fact that, no, just like how much he loves the game.
00:24:58.00
Adz
Oh, don't curse the guy.
00:25:01.79
Adz
Yeah, yeah, fair.
00:25:02.03
Russell Gibson
And it just seems to me like all he does is just lives basketball. Like that's, it's not like a job for him. It's literally his life, like his life. And all he loves to do is just to play basketball.
00:25:10.25
Adz
Mm. Yep.
00:25:12.87
Russell Gibson
I really get that vibe from him. And and I just think that his skillset is so dynamic And look, it's I don't think that that block that you were referring to, I wanted to bring that up on today's show.
00:25:26.87
Adz
Mm.
00:25:27.42
Russell Gibson
i don't think it's iconic like the LeBron James block from a couple of playoffs ago.
00:25:29.60
Adz
No, no.
00:25:31.72
Russell Gibson
However, i think it's just as impactful.
00:25:34.74
Adz
Correct, yeah. I think, no, but it it was, it could have changed the series if he didn't get it.
00:25:36.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:25:40.19
Russell Gibson
Correct. 100%.
00:25:41.07
Adz
Like the Wolves could have turned it around and we might be talking to this going to game six or game seven.
00:25:41.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah
00:25:46.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and i I really feel as though we focus so much on clutch basket making, but actually, like, clutch defensive plays is arguably as ah as important, maybe even more important.
00:25:59.52
Russell Gibson
Look, I just love that play so much, honestly. So let's talk about Chet Values for two seconds. He's selling it at 138 for a 10. Population that is 660 USD. population on that is six sixty Look, I think I'm about to lose my mind a little bit here, but I think this is an A plus buy.
00:26:16.87
Russell Gibson
i really think, yeah, I really think at that price, you're buying into somebody that's going to be in the spotlight for at least the next five years.
00:26:16.93
Adz
Really?
00:26:25.44
Russell Gibson
The two elements of risk. Okay, so I've just told you about all, i come frothing over this guy. I get that. The two elements of risk for me is obviously the injury potential. He's like a chopstick stuck together and then they put shoelaces on it. I get that.
00:26:39.29
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:39.85
Russell Gibson
And then the other part of it too is that maybe he'll be overshaded by the two other guys and also the position that he plays.
00:26:46.28
Adz
Yeah.
00:26:48.28
Russell Gibson
But I just think that for me, this guy is more of ah also a cultural phenomenon. And I feel like, so that's the other reason why I like Chet more than I like Williams. so I find Chet's got a bit more personality and I feel like the way that he can sort of relate to the...
00:27:03.11
Russell Gibson
I want to say the common man, but I just think people in general, he just seems to be like a bit more affable to me and actually maybe even a little bit more relatable than sda Like I find SGA a bit kooky or something.
00:27:06.20
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:15.32
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure. He's Canadian, isn't he?
00:27:17.57
Russell Gibson
So yeah,
00:27:19.66
Adz
Oh, look, 150 US for a chat. I'll take that.
00:27:24.15
Russell Gibson
look, honestly, this is an A plus buy. I know this, but actually looking at the prices, That's not right. I was about to say maybe we've missed the boat on this. So six months ago, that was $300 card. year ago, it was $400.
00:27:35.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:36.43
Adz
ah look a hundred hundred and fifty us s for a chat
00:27:37.47
Russell Gibson
year ago, that was $400. don't know.
00:27:39.66
Adz
i'll take that
00:27:40.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:43.87
Adz
is it because Is it because he's being overshadowed by Shea? I think it is.
00:27:49.59
Russell Gibson
i don't know i think
00:27:50.59
Adz
Does it directly correlate with the drop in price? Look at look at the – I've gone the two-year history, right?
00:27:55.96
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:27:56.57
Adz
And the way the graph goes, like it it sits around that 2 to 250 mark a lot, pops up a lot then – because he remember he injured at the start of the year and then he dipped off.
00:28:08.32
Russell Gibson
No, I think, okay, so for me, this is like the classic example of sometimes things happen for good reasons and sometimes they happen for reasons that's a little bit hard to explain. And frankly, this is obviously not for a good reason. This kid is healthy. He's playing very good basketball.
00:28:25.04
Russell Gibson
Like to me, this is just now, now this is just an opportunity.
00:28:25.47
Adz
Yeah.
00:28:28.78
Adz
Agreed.
00:28:28.94
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? Yeah.
00:28:30.06
Adz
That's what I mean. Like, I think this is this is not, the reason it dropped is because of the injury and Shea taking the spotlight.
00:28:40.58
Russell Gibson
Maybe.
00:28:40.60
Adz
Like, that's why people sold sold them. He got injured. He was wasn't in the spotlight.
00:28:47.09
Russell Gibson
Maybe. I don't know.
00:28:47.75
Adz
What's the other reason to sell Chet?
00:28:48.27
Russell Gibson
No, I don't know, honestly.
00:28:53.08
Adz
You want to sell four three or four of them to get an SGA before it skyrockets?
00:29:00.02
Adz
But he's the number two. The number two on a team doesn't get the same respect. We'll go back to to to giving the teams the respect it deserves. But it should still be a 2 to 250 card.
00:29:13.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but I also think too, sometimes it's just good to be like, yeah, like you just sort of find something that's at the right price and then you have to be opportunistic.
00:29:16.82
Adz
Oh, it's a buy for me. It's, yeah. ah
00:29:22.11
Russell Gibson
And I think,
00:29:22.33
Adz
someone Someone takes an offer of 150 on the weekend. I i will i be buying me a check.
00:29:27.42
Russell Gibson
yeah. And there's heaps of them for sale. I'm just really cool quickly looking now.
00:29:31.96
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:29:32.04
Russell Gibson
There's Prism Silvers. There's Monopolies. I discount those. There's Silver Selects.
00:29:36.97
Adz
Yeah.
00:29:38.55
Russell Gibson
There's Greens Up. There's Pulsars.
00:29:40.05
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:29:40.11
Russell Gibson
So yeah, if you're looking to get out and buy some stuff at the moment, there's the luck of the lottery.
00:29:44.05
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:29:45.72
Russell Gibson
And frankly, if we can check the ah pop on that and compare it to his silver, that'll be one-tenth of what his silver population is.
00:29:54.47
Adz
Yeah.
00:29:56.06
Russell Gibson
I don't even know if you can find that. We probably have to go into the PCA registry to find that.
00:29:58.23
Adz
Yeah, that's fun. Find it.
00:29:59.69
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:30:00.91
Adz
But yeah, like, it's definitely a buy and and yeah, chat chat is undervalued.
00:30:01.10
Russell Gibson
All right.
00:30:06.12
Adz
Definitely at the moment.
00:30:06.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:06.93
Adz
Mm
00:30:08.12
Russell Gibson
Okay. We're at the 30 minute mark.
00:30:09.96
Adz
hmm.
00:30:10.14
Russell Gibson
Should we go for a break and then we'll come back and yep.
00:30:13.42
Adz
And we've we've got we've we've still got some other bits and pieces to talk about. Yeah, let's do that.
00:30:17.50
Russell Gibson
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00:30:36.38
Russell Gibson
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00:30:51.37
Russell Gibson
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00:31:07.26
Russell Gibson
I would like to find some prison retail. Ah, here we go. 21, 22 WNBA prison hobby pack for 20 bucks. I think I'd like to get some of those. Here we go. This is what I want to talk to you about. $24.25 Panini Prism Basketball Fat Pack box for $4.20.
00:31:24.90
Russell Gibson
So if you're looking for the manga cards, which are in the retail boxes, that's what you want out of that. Prism Basketball Fat Pack for $35. I paid $37 this week.
00:31:37.22
Russell Gibson
So actually that's a marginally better price there. They got retail packs there for $10. They got the retail boxes for $240, which is a pretty good price off the top of my head.
00:31:48.41
Russell Gibson
And they got blaster boxes for $70. It's so funny for me. I'm kind of like $50 is my sweet spot for a blaster, but you try getting a blaster for like less than $50 these days.
00:31:59.57
Russell Gibson
Honestly, it's impossible.
00:31:59.81
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:00.33
Russell Gibson
So it's just like the, unfortunately the world we now live in.
00:32:00.85
Adz
Yeah, true.
00:32:04.48
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:05.39
Russell Gibson
um Would you like two fat packs or a blaster? Probably I'd go for the blaster to be perfectly honest.
00:32:11.18
Adz
Probably.
00:32:11.79
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:32:12.32
Adz
I don't know.
00:32:12.36
Russell Gibson
Just keeping in mind.
00:32:13.26
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:14.36
Russell Gibson
So the the lads didn't ask me to spruik this. it's just This is just something I'm really into at the moment. The manga cards are in the retail boxes. So, yeah, there's definitely some high hit potential in those boxes.
00:32:22.55
Adz
That's crazy good. Yeah.
00:32:27.87
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:28.18
Russell Gibson
So, guys, Fastbreak Trading Cards will be at the Hobby Hangout XL. Go down to the table and say hello to them. They'll also be, yeah, specifically...
00:32:34.96
Adz
Tell them we sent you. Yeah. yeah
00:32:39.38
Russell Gibson
collect fest they're a direct partner of collect fest so guys congratulations on that appointment they're also direct with tops fanatics and also an authentic memorabilia partner of fanatics so yeah thank you so much to the lads at fast break trading cards
00:32:50.96
Adz
Fanatics. Yeah. Yep.
00:33:04.35
Russell Gibson
adam we're back how are you doing
00:33:05.46
Adz
We are back. We're at the halfway mark. All downhill from here.
00:33:11.34
Russell Gibson
All right, let's talk...
00:33:11.35
Adz
Not in a bad way.
00:33:12.56
Russell Gibson
No, definitely not. Let's talk Eastern Conference.
00:33:15.82
Adz
Yes. Let's. Let's.
00:33:18.07
Russell Gibson
Right, what would you like to start with? What do you think is the most interesting story so far?
00:33:23.89
Adz
um Game four, Tyrese Halliburton turned into Irvin Magic Johnson.
00:33:31.29
Russell Gibson
Did he turn into, or just that people were watching him play? This is my argument.
00:33:40.47
Adz
maybe Maybe he's just that good.
00:33:45.47
Russell Gibson
Can I segue here for two seconds?
00:33:46.90
Adz
You may.
00:33:48.20
Russell Gibson
All right. So I forgot to mention this in the Western Conference thing, but the last like couple of months, my argument about the Pacers is that they've looked at the NBA landscape, they've looked at the rules, and they've built a team that suits that.
00:34:01.73
Russell Gibson
And I also think that's what the Thunder have done.
00:34:01.97
Adz
Yeah.
00:34:04.21
Adz
Yeah.
00:34:04.21
Russell Gibson
And I think both of these teams are smart front officers that have used analytics to their benefit.
00:34:12.04
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:34:12.69
Russell Gibson
um What we didn't talk about in the last series that I wanted to talk about was the Thunder's inclination to foul at the end of the game, even when they're up.
00:34:22.84
Adz
Yeah.
00:34:23.02
Russell Gibson
And the analytics behind that is because then the most points you...
00:34:25.59
Adz
They only get two shots.
00:34:27.21
Russell Gibson
Correct. The most points you can give up is two points instead of a three points. So i think that's a really interesting wrinkle that I wonder if...
00:34:34.70
Adz
Well, they also had the sub ready to go against the the Nuggets in case they didn't have their defense and stuff set.
00:34:38.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:41.37
Adz
And, yeah, that that the refs had to – because Jokic would demand the ball and they would have someone lined up as if it was going to sub, so the refs would always check to see if there was a sub to bring in.
00:34:41.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:53.06
Adz
So they wouldn't give Jokic the ball to to inbound it.
00:34:53.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's crazy, isn't it? like to That's right.
00:34:57.06
Adz
Yeah, there's some next-level stuff going on there.
00:34:59.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:00.01
Adz
Yeah.
00:35:00.32
Russell Gibson
and And the other thing about this too is that I think sometimes the person who pioneers it often takes like the most amount of risk. So the analytics isn't all there yet, obviously, but my gut feeling on this, this is just going to be the new NBA very shortly.
00:35:15.21
Russell Gibson
This is how all teams going to play out.
00:35:15.26
Adz
Yep. Money bowl.
00:35:18.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think that the negative for me, those what's going to happen is it's going to really stretch out the end of the game though, too.
00:35:24.92
Adz
Possible. Possible.
00:35:25.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:26.41
Adz
um
00:35:27.67
Russell Gibson
Back to the, sorry.
00:35:27.81
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was going to say we we were, I suppose that not in the Eastern conference, I was on my friend's show, three old guys talking ball on Tuesday.
00:35:30.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Go.
00:35:37.82
Adz
And we, and we went, we broke down both conferences and, and what how that was shaping up.
00:35:37.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:43.11
Adz
I, um, very silly stupidly said that I thought the Thunder were going to lose. So, yep, good on me. I was wrong. um But I did say, and we all agreed, that Thunder in the finals on the Western side, if New York get through, the Thunder take the chip.
00:36:01.74
Adz
But if if the Pacers get through, they are going to challenge the Thunder. I think it should be a good final series.
00:36:13.47
Russell Gibson
It's got to be high-paced, that's for sure.
00:36:15.81
Adz
Yeah.
00:36:16.96
Russell Gibson
My gut feeling is, though, that the Thunder are just a much more polished team than what the Pacers are.
00:36:22.62
Adz
I feel like the paces are underrated. I think they're better than people give them credit. They were there last year at the Eastern Conference Finals.
00:36:29.04
Russell Gibson
Look, I feel like you're talking to the Pacers fanboy at this point. Like, honestly, who else has spoken about the Pacers as much as we have?
00:36:39.61
Adz
Reggie Miller, probably.
00:36:41.84
Russell Gibson
Does he have a podcast? I don't i don't know if he does.
00:36:43.14
Adz
No, no, it doesn't. It doesn't. I don't think so.
00:36:45.01
Russell Gibson
Anyway, like I'm saying this all due respect. I think the Pacers have been great this year, but if they make the finals, they've overachieved.
00:36:52.13
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they make the finals.
00:36:53.49
Russell Gibson
Whereas the Thunder, whereas most people at the start of the year were like, the Thunder have got enough talent to make the finals, right?
00:36:54.01
Adz
I thought they were going to get knocked out of the Eastern Conference finals, but sure. Yeah.
00:36:59.83
Adz
no
00:37:02.72
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:03.51
Russell Gibson
I think that's the difference in my mind, and that's as simple as it goes. so
00:37:06.87
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:07.47
Russell Gibson
Anyway, let's talk Halep, Burton, Price's
00:37:09.51
Adz
Helliburton, 32, 12 and 15 in game four.
00:37:13.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. It's insane.
00:37:17.17
Adz
Wait, four steals. Oh, do you know what he didn't get?
00:37:20.45
Russell Gibson
Talk to me.
00:37:21.37
Adz
Well, didn't get any blocks, but he also didn't get any turnovers.
00:37:24.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:37:26.41
Adz
He has a knack of doing this.
00:37:26.65
Russell Gibson
It's insane.
00:37:29.85
Adz
And OKC might have some crazy good defense, but that Halliburton is next level when it comes to controlling the basketball.
00:37:37.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:37:38.63
Adz
So...
00:37:38.92
Russell Gibson
So the really interesting thing here is that so twice in this series, the Pacers have scored 130 plus. I actually think they've still got room to move on that.
00:37:50.97
Russell Gibson
Like if they score 140 in the finals, I won't be surprised.
00:37:54.88
Adz
They are a high-tempo, high-volume team.
00:37:56.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:00.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:01.27
Adz
And once again, not to...
00:38:03.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's an insane... It's an insane stat line.
00:38:06.81
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:07.38
Russell Gibson
Look, I think if you want to go back and watch a good game, game three was excellent. That was the game that New York won. I think if you want to see a good individual performance, then yeah, you watch game four.
00:38:17.70
Adz
And if you want to see something crazy, watch game one.
00:38:17.78
Russell Gibson
And look, game...
00:38:20.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's been a great series. Yeah.
00:38:22.74
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:23.42
Russell Gibson
I think for me, the really interesting narrative is like, what will the ratings be when you get to the finals? Because I feel like, correct.
00:38:30.84
Adz
It's not Boston, LA. Yeah.
00:38:33.85
Russell Gibson
You know, it's a really interesting one where if you have, and realistically at the point in time now we're looking at is Pacers and Thunder. And I just don't think the NBA executive like were dreaming of this scenario sort of moving forward. So
00:38:49.71
Adz
So if the Lakers just happened to get um some crazy deals that go through in the off season, that tool the roster, maybe it's for... to help the Lakers get there for the ratings.
00:39:00.56
Adz
What?
00:39:00.91
Russell Gibson
Maybe.
00:39:01.98
Adz
Yeah.
00:39:02.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah, maybe.
00:39:04.75
Adz
Anyway.
00:39:05.70
Russell Gibson
ah don't know. Anyway.
00:39:06.58
Adz
Tyrese Halliburton.
00:39:08.10
Russell Gibson
right. So I think Halliburton is the one to talk about right now. is, if you look at his card letter, it's literally just a needle.
00:39:13.43
Adz
I'm so spewing.
00:39:13.80
Russell Gibson
It's going, it's straight up.
00:39:15.30
Adz
ah We should have bought it when it was at that $200 mark.
00:39:18.97
Russell Gibson
Look, I've actually got a fair bit of Halliburton. And so I think this is a question for myself, but it's also a question for you. It's like, do you sell at this point? But
00:39:30.19
Adz
I think he's got another level to go.
00:39:32.41
Russell Gibson
Look, I think if you... I think now is a good time to sell him because obviously he's either recovered significantly. Depends where you bought him.
00:39:40.80
Adz
I've got the two year graph up right now. Yeah.
00:39:43.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So at one point he was up to 500. He's currently trading at 395. So look, if you bought anything less than the peak... The probability is that you're now going to flip and make a little bit of money.
00:39:55.20
Russell Gibson
So that's great. If you want to roll it into something else, turn it into a PC piece, you know, do it.
00:39:57.92
Adz
yeah
00:39:59.87
Russell Gibson
I think that's a good move. But for me, the really interesting argument is like, he's young still. Is there any harm in waiting another 12 months? Is there any harm in waiting another two years? i
00:40:13.02
Adz
Yeah. It's
00:40:14.49
Russell Gibson
look, I'm really,
00:40:17.95
Adz
tricky, isn't it?
00:40:18.10
Russell Gibson
i am going to wait. I don't, I'm not in any huge rush, but at the same time, maybe the sensible people are like, just take the money now. And you know, he's as hot as, as anything.
00:40:29.14
Adz
Yeah.
00:40:30.22
Russell Gibson
And then you just like, just roll in the profit, I suppose. But so the last three months he's up 111%. was nearly up to 400. He's at 300. sub two hundred
00:40:38.54
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:40:39.05
Russell Gibson
yeah he's nearly up to four hundred s
00:40:41.19
Adz
200.
00:40:42.69
Adz
And look, once they make the the NBA finals, yeah, and then depending on the result, who knows?
00:40:43.15
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:40:50.71
Russell Gibson
Well, I got to say, though, that to me, that fits the Jason Tatum narrative of like, you buy him up and then you sell him during the finals.
00:40:59.15
Adz
Yeah, that's fair.
00:40:59.84
Russell Gibson
That makes sense to me, especially with Halliburton, because that's the thing.
00:41:02.14
Adz
Because everyone forgets about Indiana in the off-season.
00:41:05.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but also, too, like we've spoken about this. If you look at his all-time graph, he is up and down like a freaking yo-yo.
00:41:08.05
Adz
Yeah.
00:41:11.29
Russell Gibson
So I think that's the thing about Halliburton.
00:41:11.42
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.
00:41:13.45
Russell Gibson
If you buy it to Halliburton, you are buying an absolute...
00:41:17.06
Adz
Rollercoaster.
00:41:18.06
Russell Gibson
absolute rollercoaster.
00:41:18.21
Adz
Rollercoaster. Let's, yeah.
00:41:20.04
Russell Gibson
So I think the other one we need to talk about is Brunson because he is taking an absolute beating at the moment. And look, this series is not over. So we might look like, well, I might look like an idiot after what I'm about to say here, but I am going to predict that Brunson is taking a beating at the moment in terms of he's, oh, he's not, he's, he's, he is exponentially up at the moment.
00:41:40.02
Russell Gibson
Oh no, actually wait, here we go. So take it to the last three months and And so his last three sales, or let's actually, let's do the last five sales, 400, 360, 425, 320, and 250.
00:41:55.58
Russell Gibson
So obviously the market sentiment is in on this. Clearly those purchases there were in mind to do it for the finals. But now that he's effectively getting kicked out of the playoffs.
00:42:07.98
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:08.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:09.58
Adz
It's declining pretty quickly, actually.
00:42:11.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:11.22
Adz
Maybe they're getting off Brunson to get on to Halliburton.
00:42:15.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah, or Chet Holgram.
00:42:17.37
Adz
Chet Holgrim.
00:42:18.54
Russell Gibson
but What else do we need to talk about? Last week we spoke about Naismith. think that's fine. Anyone else that we need to talk about in this series?
00:42:27.87
Adz
Turner? No? I'm gonna cat check?
00:42:28.70
Russell Gibson
Karl-Anthony Towns, do you want to do him? Yeah.
00:42:33.11
Adz
ah
00:42:35.42
Russell Gibson
Karl Malone came up for me when I started searching for that. we're not We're not ready for a Karl Malone conversation, are we?
00:42:41.95
Adz
No.
00:42:43.80
Russell Gibson
Look, he's currently trading at 250. He was at 350 three months ago. look I think this is a PC purchase at this point, honestly.
00:42:54.55
Adz
I, I, yeah.
00:42:58.80
Russell Gibson
right.
00:42:58.84
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:59.77
Russell Gibson
Final thoughts on this series, Ed?
00:43:02.64
Adz
oh
00:43:06.50
Adz
Paces in five.
00:43:09.11
Russell Gibson
Paces in five.
00:43:10.54
Adz
Yeah. Or six. They'd probably lose in New York tomorrow.
00:43:19.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they surely.
00:43:21.36
Adz
But it could very well end tomorrow.
00:43:24.86
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:43:26.40
Adz
Pacers in five, let's get this series started. Doesn't matter, it's still a break. There's a there's a there's a confirmed start date for the flight for the finals.
00:43:33.88
Russell Gibson
I'm going paces in six.
00:43:35.72
Adz
Okay.
00:43:36.43
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:43:37.54
Adz
Definitely not going to seven is my...
00:43:39.22
Russell Gibson
Okay. I got to say, if it goes to seven, I think New York has the edge.
00:43:44.46
Adz
Agreed, agreed. I just don't think it's going to seven.
00:43:47.46
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:43:48.55
Adz
um I'm excited for the finals now.
00:43:54.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:43:56.20
Adz
Cool. Yep.
00:43:57.06
Russell Gibson
ah Alrighty. So this next one, we have just moving into general hobby talk at this point.
00:44:02.05
Adz
ye
00:44:02.63
Russell Gibson
This is a post from Golden on their Facebook feed, but I'm sure it's on Instagram and Twitter and all that type of stuff. They're just spruiking a piece that they're currently listing on their auction house at the moment. It's a huge high-end piece.
00:44:18.19
Russell Gibson
It is a LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. dual autograph, dual logoman, one of one patch. It is graded PSA 6.5 cards like this.
00:44:27.70
Adz
Very nice. Yeah.
00:44:33.10
Russell Gibson
It's obviously the grade is important, but I think what's more important is the card is authentic and it's got the PSA guarantee and an auto grade of nine.
00:44:44.53
Russell Gibson
There's been a few different bits and pieces going around about this, you know, with Instagrammers and TikTokers talking about it and breaking it down.
00:44:53.43
Adz
yeah
00:44:53.50
Russell Gibson
The current bid is $800,000 and it ends in 16 days. So I think the the fun question for us to talk about. So for me, this is like,
00:45:06.62
Russell Gibson
How do I say this? These cards are so out of my wheelhouse. For me, this is like monopoly money.
00:45:12.16
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:12.16
Russell Gibson
So, you know, what I'm about to say is, please don't think I'm being flippant people at home, but I'm guessing this is a $3 million dollars card.
00:45:17.52
Adz
Yeah.
00:45:20.33
Russell Gibson
What do you think this goes to?
00:45:24.58
Adz
I think you're in the right ballpark.
00:45:26.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:27.30
Adz
um
00:45:30.69
Adz
it's It's Kobe and LeBron. Like...
00:45:37.07
Adz
Yeah, if it's if if this isn't in that $3 to $5 million dollar range, I wouldn't be surprised.
00:45:41.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah, was going to say, if this goes to five, i wouldn't blink. I'd be like, yeah.
00:45:46.02
Adz
this is This is a grail card if ever there was one.
00:45:50.37
Russell Gibson
How's this for these fuckers golden, right? So you have to pay $800,000, $6 in shipping.
00:45:58.11
Adz
Plus $6 shipping.
00:45:58.44
Russell Gibson
And then $19 in shipping plus 0.9% insurance fee for orders over a thousand. Okay. So this is going to be the $19 shipping option.
00:46:10.14
Russell Gibson
Wouldn't they be just like, we'll free shipping for you.
00:46:14.82
Adz
Nah. Nah.
00:46:21.91
Adz
Wow.
00:46:23.11
Russell Gibson
ah Really quickly before we head off to our next break, do you remember a couple of weeks ago we spoke about Veriswap and how that there was a car that wasn't insured that went out?
00:46:29.91
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.
00:46:31.68
Russell Gibson
So there's the process there, how you solve that problem. 0.9% insurance fee, and that's just baked into the price.
00:46:38.38
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:41.40
Adz
That seems easy to me.
00:46:42.17
Russell Gibson
Goldens makes 0.01% on that. cost them 0.8%. They charge 0.9%. they charged point nine
00:46:50.98
Adz
Not difficult, is it? ah
00:46:52.41
Russell Gibson
The whole world wins.
00:46:54.71
Adz
Easy peasy.
00:46:55.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. Let's go to a break.
00:47:01.04
Adz
Final break.
00:47:02.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah. US Sports Cards Australia. Thank you so much for re-upping and pledging, think, 24 more episodes of support minus the last two that we've done. So another, like, say, 22 episodes.
00:47:19.40
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:47:20.90
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much to Ross and Michael for your ongoing support. Now, the main thing that Ross would like to discuss on today's advertisement is his ComCA, which is a consignment card service.
00:47:34.64
Russell Gibson
Follow him on Instagram, comca.tradingcards. It's got all of his updates on or what is going on there. But if you would like to actually do the submission form, ussportscardsaustralia.com.au,
00:47:49.74
Russell Gibson
click on the three little noodles, go to Check Out My Cards Australia. There you'll find your seller login, the submission form, and also their policy and their terms and da-da-da-da-da.
00:48:03.52
Russell Gibson
When you're completing your submission form though, just write on it, you can't comp this and you'll get a free submission. It's normally six cents per card. Ross is doing a promo at the moment to get more cards submitted.
00:48:14.95
Russell Gibson
The problem he's currently having is more cards are going out than are coming in. So he's trying to build up his inventory on his pages.
00:48:20.50
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:22.62
Russell Gibson
All of the cards are cross-listed onto all different platforms, including his own proprietary website that he's been building.
00:48:28.86
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:48:29.95
Russell Gibson
and across onto eBay and all the other different platforms that he's got it cross-listed on. So he sorts out all the back end for you. Just put them into a box, ship them off to Roscoe.
00:48:40.71
Russell Gibson
They can be low end, high end, medium end, you know, whatever is that you want. He'll take care of it for you. Put the money into your account. Simple as that. Thank you so much to Team US Sports Cards Australia.
00:48:56.39
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're back, Ed.
00:48:59.68
Adz
We are back.
00:49:00.98
Russell Gibson
Right, now this next one here is a Pokemon story. However, it's not.
00:49:06.87
Adz
It's not about people breaking into shops again, is it?
00:49:10.23
Russell Gibson
It's about counterfeit cards and literally just the behind the scenes, how they make these counterfeit cards and the process that they go through to do it. And in this particular instance, they're counterfeiting the Pikachu with the grey felt hat.
00:49:26.68
Russell Gibson
I think the reason why i wanted to talk about this is because I think this is something that we just need to be, i don't think you need to be paranoid about it or anything like that, but I also think you need to be aware of it in that there are fakes out there and that they aren't people who are mums and pops types things doing it.
00:49:41.59
Adz
Wow.
00:49:47.02
Russell Gibson
Like clearly this is a business that's heavily invested into this sort of you know counterfeit process. So
00:49:53.25
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:49:54.11
Russell Gibson
i think it's I think it's naive to think that you know it won't happen. you know The instance that you will be able to relate to really easily was that Kaboom.
00:50:05.34
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:06.27
Russell Gibson
Your Kobe Kaboom purchase that you made yourself.
00:50:08.88
Adz
Yeah.
00:50:09.15
Russell Gibson
And so I think
00:50:13.50
Russell Gibson
you you know the thought that really goes through my head when I see stuff like this is like, is why me or why not me?
00:50:20.26
Adz
Yeah.
00:50:21.14
Russell Gibson
Like, how do I protect myself from these particular instances?
00:50:23.92
Adz
Yeah.
00:50:26.45
Adz
Look, there's things you can do to obviously pay attention, but there's there's the the biggest problem with especially Pokemon. Pokemon were probably the worst for counterfeiting early on when they were owned by, was it Upper Deck?
00:50:38.83
Adz
Yeah.
00:50:39.73
Russell Gibson
Well, clearly, it's still a problem now, man. Like that's, to me, that's Yeah.
00:50:42.76
Adz
Yeah, yeah, but these these cards, the the actual templates and stuff were were were sold to counterfeiters when they lost the license. um I know Magic the Gathering have quality stock that they use for the cards.
00:50:56.15
Adz
I don't know what the controls are with Pokemon. I actually know quite a few people in the Pokemon community, so i could ask. um But I might might reach out and find with regards to that, how do you how do you protect against fakes?
00:51:08.46
Adz
Because I know in the in the the card playing side of things, Magic the Gathering, and easy to spot fakes. Yu-Gi-Oh, easy to spot fakes. um One Piece and stuff like that, easy, fine effect.
00:51:19.85
Adz
Pokemon, you can't tell the difference. So if you can't tell the difference between the genuine one and the fake one, is it real?
00:51:28.13
Russell Gibson
I think if you had enough knowledge and um the access and the money to be able to do it, I think if you really wanted to counterfeit something, you could. you know I think at the end of the day, it's just a matter of time until that you know they make better magic and better NBA counterfeit too.
00:51:41.12
Adz
Yeah.
00:51:45.39
Adz
But do you just, if what, if someone makes the counterfeit, and because but this is different because it's on the TCG side, it's the playing, it's the card playing side, right? there's There's a legality side of it that simply goes beyond the collecting side.
00:52:00.70
Adz
This is, are the cards legal for tournament play if they're not real cards? Yeah.
00:52:07.36
Adz
Do you know what i mean? That's where the the the Pokemon stuff falls down and the magic stuff falls down.
00:52:08.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:52:11.67
Adz
Because you imagine that, people having counterfeit cards and getting caught with a counterfeit card in their deck.
00:52:15.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:52:17.56
Adz
I don't know. it's um It adds a layer to it.
00:52:19.56
Russell Gibson
And then the other one for us to talk about too is the fake Wemby prism cards that were seized. And we spoke about this on a previous episode.
00:52:26.04
Adz
Mmm. yeahp Yep, yep.
00:52:27.41
Russell Gibson
So clearly people do have the the will and the capability to do it.
00:52:32.52
Adz
Oh, look. When there's money involved, it will it will no doubt... um Yeah, it will no doubt happen.
00:52:40.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and if you if it costs you a dollar to make each one, and that's being very generous, and you can sell them for $30 to $50 each, but that's just money in the bank, isn't it?
00:52:48.04
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:50.47
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:51.67
Russell Gibson
All right, long-term vision of the hobby. Now, this one we actually spoke about last week.
00:52:56.48
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:57.23
Russell Gibson
And I think I wanted to put it in in its own sort of piece because last week we sort of threaded into something else. And the other thing I wanted to just really quickly do is, so just to quickly run through this again, this is from Rip and Clip Collectibles, high-end cards that will become alternative assets, fractional investing in 10 to 20 years, grails like LeBron Exquisite RPAs, Steph Gold Prism, Wemby One of Ones and Caitlin Clark Golds will be treated like fine art or real estate.
00:53:25.07
Russell Gibson
I wanted to ask you and you know, retouch on this. What cards do you think should be considered in this conversation too?
00:53:36.86
Adz
will become alternative assets. um
00:53:39.71
Russell Gibson
Like what cards do you think will be valuable in 20 years? I think that's literally as simple as that.
00:53:45.68
Adz
LeBron's, Kobe's, Jordan's, Steph's.
00:53:47.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:49.21
Adz
um I think the trend that we've seen with the Michael Jordans will flow over to Kobe Bryant, which I think it's already started to.
00:54:02.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:02.73
Adz
um
00:54:03.03
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
00:54:03.58
Adz
Will also overflow to LeBron James in another period of time. And then and then shortly after that, Steph Curry. As they retire, you you watch, their there's a gap of of time.
00:54:16.08
Adz
But then they those cards will will become, because if one lot of cards becomes unattainable, then the next run down becomes the thing. It's very interesting.
00:54:28.64
Adz
People don't tend to go for the PSA 9 version of a card. They go for a different card in a 10.
00:54:37.53
Adz
It's, some or the alternative to that is maybe PSA 9s become sought after. I doubt that, but yeah.
00:54:48.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah. so I think just like, I'll just do this really quickly. I think we don't need to spend heaps of time on this, but obviously like Kabooms, I think that's the one card for me.
00:54:58.19
Adz
Kabooms are huge, yeah.
00:54:58.69
Russell Gibson
And so we, I had dinner with,
00:54:59.58
Adz
Inserts.
00:55:01.94
Russell Gibson
Actually, I'll do a shout out now. Dean Ewan, you're probably not listening because you did say that at dinner and the other night. You don't listen to the podcast, but I hope you're well, mate. um We caught up for a burger on Tuesday night and we were talking about PMGs versus Kabooms and you know the price differential.
00:55:16.45
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:18.35
Russell Gibson
And we're talking about ah recent sale of a Tom Guglietta red PMG that sold for nearly 10,000, right?
00:55:23.09
Adz
PMG. Mm-hmm.
00:55:25.96
Russell Gibson
Whereas at the moment you can buy it. a Kobe or LeBron Kaboom for less than 10,000 USD.
00:55:33.11
Adz
Yep.
00:55:33.15
Russell Gibson
And so it's like, at what point will that flip around? And then the Kabooms, yeah.
00:55:37.04
Adz
Start to go through the roof.
00:55:38.26
Russell Gibson
So like how many years do you have to wait basically, you know, for that sort of PMG effect to happen? So for me, that's like, that's one narrative that's pretty firm in my head.
00:55:45.49
Adz
Is the answer like 20 to 25 years? Yep.
00:55:47.78
Russell Gibson
that's That's probably the right answer. Yeah. It's about 20 years, but we're already halfway there on some of these cards though.
00:55:49.58
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:52.38
Adz
But this is what we talk about. We talk about future prospecting and we're like, what's the 20 year price? And it's funny that we're seeing these spikes with MJ in the 25 year window.
00:56:04.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I wonder if that's to do with like the sort of the collector maturity too of like you know people who are still in the collecting game, they want to get something that's a bit more higher end, but they don't care for all this ultra modern stuff.
00:56:08.92
Adz
Hmm.
00:56:11.87
Adz
yeah
00:56:15.94
Russell Gibson
you know and They want to go back and...
00:56:16.64
Adz
Yeah. Yep.
00:56:18.13
Russell Gibson
Anyway.
00:56:18.98
Adz
There's a lot of, lot of, yeah.
00:56:19.13
Russell Gibson
And so so I think that's something... I think the other thing too is to consider is like what are the the crossover type cards? So we had the NetMarvels cards.
00:56:28.34
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:56:28.53
Russell Gibson
But one other one that I've been thinking about a little bit lately is the sneaker spotlights. So we know that there's this is huge sneaker flipping audience out there that live their whole lives through sneakers.
00:56:32.99
Adz
Okay.
00:56:38.12
Adz
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:56:42.85
Russell Gibson
And so there is now this beautiful card set that's out there that has all the big names in it it. has beautiful shots of the shoes and also on card autographs on, on a relatively premium card.
00:56:55.10
Russell Gibson
Like Noir isn't high end and it does have some problems with their end product.
00:56:59.21
Adz
Yeah. No.
00:56:59.80
Russell Gibson
However, those type acetate type finished cards seem to be cut pretty well. So I think that's the other one, which I think you need to look at and say, look, what is something that maybe could go across into a different pop culture genre that isn't just basketball too?
00:57:15.83
Adz
yeah
00:57:16.57
Russell Gibson
And I feel like for me, that's another one too, that I think is going to really at the bare minimums hold its value, if not just keep you know keep creeping up over time. Like I'm looking at a Chris Paul one at the moment.
00:57:29.31
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:30.49
Russell Gibson
It's a brand Jordan shoe. It's actually it's like, it's a really cool looking shoe. And then of course it's got Chris Paul's, you know, picture on it and also his autograph. Like that's, that's a hot looking card, honestly.
00:57:38.56
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:40.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:41.31
Adz
ye What about blank slates?
00:57:44.07
Russell Gibson
Look, I think blank slates are good and I think they'll definitely hold their value, but I would also probably say to not as much as a kaboom.
00:57:51.86
Adz
Okay. Do you think the new generation of kabooms that are in revolution...
00:57:52.64
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:57:56.62
Adz
will hold value the same way the ah previous ones did.
00:57:59.88
Russell Gibson
So if I'm getting my numbers right, this is the final year of Panini. So this is the last kaboom we're going to see.
00:58:06.92
Adz
Yeah, probably.
00:58:08.05
Russell Gibson
so I think for them to go back to the start, it's almost like the circle of life type narrative for me.
00:58:14.90
Adz
Oh, look at you getting all sentimental.
00:58:17.25
Russell Gibson
No, i I don't mean it in a sense min sentimental way.
00:58:18.25
Adz
Yeah, fair, fair. I like it.
00:58:22.54
Russell Gibson
I'm more meaning I'm trying to observe like what is Panini trying to craft here?
00:58:25.07
Adz
What they're doing. Yeah.
00:58:26.06
Russell Gibson
Because they do like to craft these narratives.
00:58:27.21
Adz
Nope.
00:58:28.14
Russell Gibson
Like they're not complete idiots.
00:58:28.78
Adz
Yeah.
00:58:30.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:58:30.94
Adz
Um,
00:58:32.59
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, this ties into the the previous post just talking This is from Card Ladder ladder Headlines. 2009 Topps Chrome Steph Curry Gold Refractor. This just sold for $237,000, nearly $238,000.
00:58:46.24
Russell Gibson
seven thousand nearly two hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars So the really interesting thing about this, and we what we should probably do now is go to Card Ladder and look at his total indexes, is because a lot of these really high-end Steph Curry cards haven't been sold for five or 10 years.
00:59:04.93
Russell Gibson
And I think the reason they haven't sold is because
00:59:07.48
Adz
that's baseball adam
00:59:09.41
Russell Gibson
People are just holding, knowing that it's going to keep you know trickling up in the right direction. So for me, that this is a really significant sale because it gives us a really good insight as to how far is the Steph Curry market moved in the last um eight years.
00:59:28.90
Russell Gibson
So
00:59:31.47
Russell Gibson
I'm actually really interested in this and and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it too, just because it's numbered to 50 it's PSA nine it's population four.
00:59:42.08
Russell Gibson
That's a huge effing sale, too like, you know, a quarter of a million u s dollars for gold refractor. It's insane. Yeah.
00:59:53.28
Adz
I don't think this card would i don't think it grades well. There's only 50 of them.
01:00:02.99
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:00:04.33
Adz
Um Yeah, um um'm go um I'm just going into the the pop count stuff, the gold.
01:00:14.19
Adz
PSA 10.
01:00:17.44
Adz
Gold, hang on.
01:00:20.77
Adz
Oh, no, that's the gold 2009. That's a different card.
01:00:26.28
Adz
Oh, it doesn't have the pop count, doesn't have the number to 50 report. Anyway, might have to go through the register.
01:00:33.08
Russell Gibson
Well, I would say,
01:00:33.94
Adz
and the gem rate The gem rate is low on the um the number to 2,000 at nine.
01:00:40.10
Russell Gibson
I get where you're going with this.
01:00:41.58
Adz
The gem rate on it is 2.5, which is very, very low.
01:00:44.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:47.33
Adz
So you imagine four PSA 9s, this will be hard to gem and get a 10 out of, right?
01:00:47.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:53.83
Adz
So maybe it is a very, it's rare air sort of territory.
01:00:54.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:01:01.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I just think it's going really interesting to me to sort of keep an eye on this over the next few years. And like, this is something we already know these values gone up exponentially, but it's just kind of like, just how much has it gone up?
01:01:10.70
Adz
He's the fourth guy on Rushmore, right?
01:01:14.07
Russell Gibson
So now we're actually starting to see some data come out on this. I'm not expecting more data to, you know, sort of rush out. This is actually a little bit of a surprising sale for me.
01:01:22.40
Adz
All right. so So where does he sit? Is he the greatest point guard of all time?
01:01:31.25
Adz
Hard put him on.
01:01:31.31
Russell Gibson
Better than what?
01:01:32.35
Adz
Yeah.
01:01:32.41
Russell Gibson
Better than magic. Is that what you're saying?
01:01:33.70
Adz
That's the question. but that But that's a legitimate question because I know on on the on the top of the mountain, it's like Jordan, LeBron, Kobe.
01:01:45.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:01:46.73
Adz
Are we throwing Steph up there? And if we're throwing Steph up there, that does that mean he's better than Magic Johnson? Or just more impactful? He doesn't have to be up there for for his position, like his impact on the game.
01:01:59.06
Adz
But... I feel like he's the next person on Rushmore, like at the top of the mountain.
01:02:06.42
Russell Gibson
I'm happy to answer this right now just because it's it's fun to have a chat about it. But at the same time too, i probably think I need to actually sit down and do a bit more research onto this. i think also too, I'm so influenced by my own sort of current bias.
01:02:20.91
Russell Gibson
And maybe if I'd lived more in the Magic Johnson era, out would feel differently about Magic.
01:02:21.85
Adz
Sure.
01:02:25.48
Adz
Yeah.
01:02:26.00
Russell Gibson
But my takeaway on Magic is that he just wasn't there for long enough.
01:02:30.49
Adz
That's fair.
01:02:31.42
Russell Gibson
And his career was just horribly you know cut short.
01:02:33.76
Adz
It was it was cut short.
01:02:34.22
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.
01:02:35.12
Adz
um And that that's the saddest part of it.
01:02:37.74
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:02:37.83
Adz
Yeah. Agreed.
01:02:40.10
Russell Gibson
All right, just really, really quickly. I was trying to find Steph Curry on the index. I couldn't. However, Pascal Siakam is in the index and it's shot right up. So that's something to really think about. If you've got some spicy peas sitting around, you want to flip, which I do.
01:02:52.42
Adz
yeah.
01:02:53.06
Russell Gibson
i might actually do a little sale for that. The other one I just saw in here too is Tim Duncan.
01:02:55.33
Adz
Nice.
01:02:58.81
Russell Gibson
The debut card, which I love that from 1997, the finest card, base with coding, that's also spiked up the index too.
01:02:58.94
Adz
Very nice.
01:03:02.59
Adz
Yeah.
01:03:05.09
Russell Gibson
So that's a really interesting one. Like sometimes these random cards just sort of pop up the index.
01:03:10.32
Adz
Yeah, that's true.
01:03:10.91
Russell Gibson
All right. As always, we like to finish with an MJ. So I think in true, you can't comp this.
01:03:20.29
Russell Gibson
We haven't got through everything as of always, but that's totally fine.
01:03:21.82
Adz
Of course, we haven't.
01:03:24.73
Russell Gibson
m j Oh, look at this for a way to end the show. This is from our friends at Card Letter. Eye-catching sale, 2007 Chronology, Michael Jordan, hashtag SIT-JO, stitches in time, numbered to five, PSA Authentic, Auto 10, sold for $79,300 via Goldens.
01:03:46.40
Russell Gibson
So, you know, you can make the argument, do you want four of these or do you want one Steph Curry PSA 9?
01:03:53.60
Adz
Why did this only sell for 80 grand?
01:03:56.03
Russell Gibson
It seems low for me too. Did we talk about this card last week?
01:04:01.07
Adz
No.
01:04:02.56
Russell Gibson
feel like we said this a little while ago.
01:04:02.67
Adz
Did we? Maybe we did. Maybe we did. I don't know. Jordan is one of those hard ones I just don't know how
01:04:08.56
Russell Gibson
This is a very middle-aged guy thing to say, isn't it?
01:04:12.08
Adz
Chronology Michael Jordan. who Who made the card? It's an upper deck card.
01:04:15.59
Russell Gibson
Upper deck, yeah. Look, I think that's a
01:04:17.92
Adz
I don't understand. i think it's it's so unders for that card.
01:04:21.68
Russell Gibson
That's a 10. For me, that's an absolute 10 for the purchase. So whoever got that, congratulations.
01:04:25.52
Adz
sure
01:04:26.44
Russell Gibson
Again, Monopoly money type purchase, but at the same time.
01:04:28.73
Adz
It's crazy though, 79,000. To me, numbered to five, oh, I don't know.
01:04:37.80
Russell Gibson
i tell you what, it's possible we've already spoken about that card.
01:04:37.99
Adz
Okay.
01:04:39.84
Russell Gibson
So can we finish this week's show on a different card? Let's do this one.
01:04:42.84
Adz
On another Jordan.
01:04:44.11
Russell Gibson
i got this one down here, the Bill Russell 1961 Fleer. Can we please talk about that?
01:04:48.83
Adz
We can, we can.
01:04:49.73
Russell Gibson
All right. I want to talk about this basically because I think these are the type of cards that have still got room to move.
01:04:57.09
Adz
Sure.
01:04:58.19
Russell Gibson
Population on this is just 29. Piece sold for thirty k
01:05:00.39
Adz
Mm-hmm.
01:05:04.16
Russell Gibson
I really think these type of cards moving to the future are going to keep going up in value.
01:05:08.70
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:08.82
Russell Gibson
The Bill Russells, the Kareems, to a lesser degree, Wilt Chamberlain, George Mykin, I think those really like old school Bill Sharman type guys, I think you can take a really long, hard look at all their like rookie cards and go, look, actually, is there still some room to move on these?
01:05:14.73
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:19.20
Adz
Mm-hmm.
01:05:30.01
Russell Gibson
like That card is what?
01:05:33.10
Russell Gibson
40, 60, 60 years old. Like that, that really hurts my brain to think it's been floating around this earth for that long and it's still in a PSA 9 condition.
01:05:41.57
Adz
Yeah. That's crazy, isn't it?
01:05:43.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:44.84
Adz
It's nuts.
01:05:45.84
Russell Gibson
Anyway, I love all that sort of old stuff too. And I'm really enjoying sort of just spending a bit more time learning about it.
01:05:49.67
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:53.15
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Adam. Thank you to all of our listeners at home in USA, Canada, New Zealand, Philippines, Germany. They're the big ones. So thanks guys for tuning in.
01:06:01.92
Adz
All over the world, all over the world.
01:06:03.17
Russell Gibson
And of course, anyone who listens.
01:06:04.01
Adz
The the ones that stuck around on YouTube, it was it was amazing. I have an update about the Hobby Hangout.
01:06:09.61
Russell Gibson
Talk to me.
01:06:09.85
Adz
At time of recording, there are less than 200 tickets available.
01:06:12.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right. That actually makes sense, doesn't it?
01:06:14.60
Adz
So, yeah, that was posted whilst we were recording.
01:06:15.38
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:06:18.10
Adz
um
01:06:18.14
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:06:19.79
Adz
Yeah, we hope to see you all there at the Hobby Hangout on Sunday.
01:06:22.80
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:06:23.01
Adz
um Can't wait to get up on stage and and and run these panels, interview people. It's going to be a great weekend.
01:06:28.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's gonna be sweet.
01:06:31.53
Adz
And yeah, thanks again for tuning in and we will see you next time.
01:06:36.27
Russell Gibson
Cheers, mate.