You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 232: $12 Million Sale, Oyvind’s Prizm Set, and Hobby Talk
In this episode of You Can’t Comp This, Russell and Adz are joined by collector Oyvind Holen for a massive breakdown of the Kobe/Jordan Logoman sale that smashed records at $12.9 million with buyer’s premium.
We dive into the sale’s impact on the hobby, whether cards are now seen as an “asset class,” and what this means for Kobe, Jordan, and the next generation of stars like LeBron, Curry, and Jokic.
Oyvind also shares his incredible journey completing the 2015–16 Light Blue Prizm set (1–300), and the boys discuss the challenges of set collecting, budget management, and balancing flipping with true collecting.
Plus: Fast Break Trading Cards’ latest trade day, the state of the hobby community, conspiracy chatter around authenticity, and plenty of laughs along the way.
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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 232 the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We're your host Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.
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Adz
And Russell, you've returned with a guest.
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Russell Gibson
I didn't bring him back from Bali though.
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Adz
Okay, fair enough, fair enough.
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Oyvind
I'm even nice to nice to be here. Thanks for having me.
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Russell Gibson
Thanks for coming, man.
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Oyvind
It's a pleasure, pleasure. Looking forward to
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Russell Gibson
And I think we should just do a quick run through of what we're going to talk about this week.
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Oyvind
Yeah, why not?
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Adz
Yeah, why not? got to run sheep for a reason.
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Russell Gibson
yeah So I think we're going to spend a lot of time breaking down this Kobe Jordan mega auction that just finished on heritage auctions last week.
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Adz
Is this the one that we're, you know, we're now just suckering into everybody else's mainstream nonsense? It's the only thing anyone's talking about.
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Russell Gibson
I think we should definitely talk about that, how it has crossed over to the mainstream.
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Adz
We've,
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Russell Gibson
We're going to talk about Oyvend and his collecting habits because I think...
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Adz
it has.
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Russell Gibson
you completed a massive set in the last, what, two weeks or so?
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Oyvind
Yeah, a couple of weeks ago now. So yeah, happy to talk about that. It was a long time coming, so very happy.
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Russell Gibson
and so it was a light blue set of Prism from 2014? Okay. Yeah.
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Oyvind
15, 16 Prism, Light Blue Prism, so it was the base set of that.
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Russell Gibson
like yeah yeah
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Oyvind
So cards 1 to 300. Yeah, number 2, 199. pretty Pretty nice to have them all at home now.
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Russell Gibson
Great.
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Adz
What is that Chase?
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Russell Gibson
to hear more about that. We're goingnna hear about fast break trading cards and their trading day that they recently had. And then just a whole bunch of random news.
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Adz
Mmm.
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Russell Gibson
We're going to talk about Malik Beasley, some go kick stuff. We're going to talk about Ken golden telling us how, what fanatics is doing is unfair.
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Oyvind
I a crazy post about the
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Russell Gibson
I found a crazy Twitter post about the Phoenix Suns and their owner, who I actually think he's taking something at this point. ah Draymond Green versus Dennis Rodman.
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Russell Gibson
I think that'll be a fun one. And then we'll just see if we've got time to get through all to this, but we've got a Jordan to close with, as always.
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Adz
we've we've We've always got a Jordan. I reckon, so given the the sale, we should just alternate it between Jordan and Kobe. I'm kidding.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, we could.
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Adz
I just wanted Kobe in there.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, we we can start doing that.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
I mean, it's not that we don't talk about COVID.
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Adz
um
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Russell Gibson
Alrighty.
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Oyvind
let's start the show with Kobe Jordan, this has been hell of topic, hasn't it?
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Adz
Well, let's start the show with Kobe and Jordan because this this has been a hell of a topic, hasn't it?
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Russell Gibson
Yep.
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Oyvind
think it's, for me, it came quite quickly.
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Russell Gibson
Yes, I think it's, for me, it came around quite quickly.
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Oyvind
think Kobe had a drink of two days or that did definitely influence that, and the final sale
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Russell Gibson
I think, you know, me being out of the country for sort of 10 days or so, that did definitely um influence that.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
But the final sale was for $10.6 million, dollars which was the like the flat price.
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Adz
hu
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Russell Gibson
When you then add in the buyer's premium, it goes to $12.932 million. So it set a new record for NBA cards, which I think is i think it's good. And I actually feel like we were overdue for that record to be, you know reestablished or, you know, created again.
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Oyvind
re-established or created again. I think what's interesting here, though, actually to back look at this card, the sales history.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
i think what's interesting here though, is actually to go back and look at this card, the sales history. So I found this from multiple different sources on the internet.
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Oyvind
So I found this from multiple different sources the internet, and to honest, I didn't write them all down credit them all, but probably the big one was Adam Gray that we spoke about
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Russell Gibson
And I, to be honest, I didn't write them all down to credit them all, but probably the big one was Adam Gray.
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Adz
That's fair.
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Russell Gibson
And we spoke about this. Did we talk about this in the last show
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Oyvind
Did we talk about this the last show?
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Russell Gibson
But basically he did a post about how the guy that sold it for $176,000
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Oyvind
But basically, he a post about how the guy that sold it for $176,000
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Russell Gibson
um The person that he sold it to then went back to him and gave him a Jordan exquisite patch autograph just to say thank you for all the things that you do for the hobby.
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Adz
I vaguely remember talking about this, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Then, you know, then knowing that he was then going to go on and sell it. And look, who knows if he knew he's going to get 10 million bucks for it. But, um you know, obviously.
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Adz
ah there's no There's no way on earth anybody knew they were getting $10 million dollars for this card.
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Russell Gibson
So, and what was our predictions? i was like eight for me. I felt very confident in saying that.
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Adz
you you You were solid eight.
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Russell Gibson
What did you call?
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Adz
I was i was five to six.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
I thought, no, there's no way. I was wrong. I was very wrong.
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Russell Gibson
Where were you at, Oivind?
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Adz
ah was very wrong
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Oyvind
Well, I figured you might. know people, you might have an idea, have some inside information. If you're going to sell that card, you you might you know no that it's going to be at a certain level. But yeah, it was it was higher than I thought.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
I think over 5 million, you're already like entering, entering crazy money.
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Russell Gibson
It's a crazy number, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
The fact that it exceeded 10 million US dollars and and not like to convert it to Australian dollars, even after the buyer's premium, we're talking like over $17 million Australian.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Like that's, I can't, i can't contextualize it.
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Russell Gibson
So the, I've done,
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Oyvind
can't contextualise it. Yeah, it's wildfire.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's wild money, isn't it? It's just ridiculous, huge money.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I've done this all back to front, and that's very you can't comp this, but in 2014, it sold for $25,000. In 2016, it sold for $170,000, which is the sale that we're just talking about when the Jordan was reversed, traded into the deal.
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Russell Gibson
And then in 2025, yeah, for $10.6 million plus the buyer's premium.
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Adz
Yeah
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Russell Gibson
I think... um trade it into the deal and then in twenty twenty five yeah for ten point six million plus the buy premium so i think you know The timing for me of this is a little bit interesting.
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Russell Gibson
And also when you look back on it, it kind of makes a bit more sense because you had Mr.
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Oyvind
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Wonderful, a.k.a. um Kevin O'Leary, I should say Kevin O'Leary, a.k.a.
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Adz
yeah Yes, yeah, yeah
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Russell Gibson
Mr. Wonderful. And I think where I know that guy from is from Shark Tank. So if you guys are familiar with – also, too, I've told you guys this like before. I'm a YouTube TV tragic, so you know there's heaps of clips on YouTube about Shark Tank.
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Russell Gibson
And obviously Mark Cuban's on that show, you know, occasionally too.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
um He formed a group with two other buyers, which was Matt Allen or AKA Shine and this other guy called Paul Warshaw, who I was unfamiliar with, but I actually found his...
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Oyvind
Matt Allen or a.k.a. Shine and this other guy called Morshaw who I was under the head with but I actually like an equivalent what's that business Facebook page like a LinkedIn like a LinkedIn equivalent that's called The Hawk and it shows you all of the things that he's done in the past and it basically just sounds like he's entrepreneurial guy who started bunch of
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Russell Gibson
like an equivalent of what's that business Facebook page um link, like LinkedIn.
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Adz
Marketplace. Oh, LinkedIn, like a LinkedIn.
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Russell Gibson
It's like a LinkedIn equivalent, but's but it's called the org.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
And it shows you all of the things that he's done in the past. And it basically just sounds like he's a entrepreneurial guy who started up a bunch of different companies. He's just put his foot into some medicinal marijuana company. So obviously he's into these sort of alternate sort of, you know, investing streams.
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Russell Gibson
He's got a music background. And so he's in this investing group. um What Kevin O'Leary said was that they didn't want to bid against each other. So they, they formed their own little like group and,
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Adz
Yeah, but that suggests that there was another group or another person that was bidding with against this.
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Oyvind
person that was competing with the people.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, you took the words out of my mouth. Exactly. So for it to get to 10 million, those three guys obviously chipped in together, but it also means there was someone else that bid it up to that. You're exactly right about that.
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Adz
Other groups, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
so So I kind of wonder if what this would have got to if those three guys didn't get together, you know would it have actually gone for hire? Because if you had this Dennis O'Leary guy bidding against Shine...
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that's a really interesting like dynamic.
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Oyvind
Yeah, I think that's really interesting dynamic.
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Russell Gibson
And I probably think this is the you know this is the first thing we should talk about.
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Oyvind
And probably think this the first thing we should talk about.
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Russell Gibson
Is this kind of the new thing that is going to be happening in sports cards?
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Oyvind
Is this kind of the new thing that he is going to be having with sports cards?
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Russell Gibson
Because he'd been on TV.
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Oyvind
Because he'd been on Sorry, when I he, I'm talking about Mr.
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Russell Gibson
Sorry, when I say he, I'm talking about Mr.
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Oyvind
Wonderful.
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Russell Gibson
Wonderful. And he was talking about how sports cards are this sort of new alternative investment that you know we should now be looking at.
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Oyvind
And he was talking about how sports cards are this sort of new alternative investment that we should now be here. We should be taking seriously.
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Russell Gibson
We should be taking it seriously.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Oyvind
And he was comparing it to like...
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Russell Gibson
And he was comparing it to like... Andy Warhol art pieces saying that the super high-end pieces of artwork, you know, you buy them for a million dollars and then in 10 years you sell them for 10 million.
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Oyvind
Andy Walpole art pieces saying that the super high-end pieces of artwork, you buy them for a million dollars then in 10 years you sell them for 10 years.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Like that's the type of, you know, investment he's looking at here.
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Oyvind
That's the type investment he's looking here.
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Russell Gibson
So, you know, and if that's the case, is he then prospecting that this card's going to be a hundred million dollars in 10 years?
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Oyvind
And if that's the case, is he then prospecting that his card's going to be $100 million in 10 years?
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Russell Gibson
Like that part of it, Either i don't understand it because, you know, I'm not in those business circles and i can't comprehend that volume of money or i just don't see it multiplying out the way that he's projecting it to and that in that sort of period of time.
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Oyvind
That part of neither don't understand because I'm in
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Adz
I don't know about the projection, but I think it's very much to do with, and I've seen some, because of ah obviously all the media attention this is getting, I've seen reports where they're talking about collectibles having their own category of asset.
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Oyvind
where they're talking about collectibles having their own category of asset.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Like they're actually becoming a tangible asset now.
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Oyvind
Like they're actually becoming a tangible asset now.
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
It's not a, oh, you've got some collector cards. It's not just a hobby for some people.
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Oyvind
It's not a, oh you've got to collect a card.
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Russell Gibson
for some For some cards, I actually can understand that happening, definitely.
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Oyvind
It's not just, I'm sorry, for something.
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Adz
look We're talking, we're,
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Oyvind
actually can understand that now.
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Adz
but even But even if we're like, you reduce it back from the $10.6 million, dollars right?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Oyvind
But even if we're like, you can use that from the card, the 10.6, right?
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Russell Gibson
I
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Adz
Even if some if if there is a lot of cards at that $100,000 mark, that's not that's not pocket change.
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Oyvind
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
was going to say, but even if you
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Adz
Even $10,000 cards. These are like, if you're talking about cardboard that is worth, and you just go around, you just get a a trading card from anywhere and go, if this little cardboard is worth a house deposit,
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Like just, as I said, I was having trouble contextualizing it. Seeing a bit of cardboard like that with a number on it, PSA 10, whatever. I could go and give this to to, I can exchange this for enough liquidity to put ah a deposit down on a house.
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Oyvind
for enough liquidity to put a deposit down on house.
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Adz
That's insane.
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Oyvind
That's insane. Like when you talk about it like that, it's like you must support really, literally what you actually do.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Like when you, so when you, when you talk about it like that, it's like picking apart a part of sport really literally and and what you actually do, but. can you um can you Can you comprehend doing that?
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Oyvind
But can you comprehend doing that?
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Adz
Like having a bit of cardboard that you kept away for years and then one day it's worth that much more money.
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Oyvind
Like having bit of cardboard that you kept away for years and then one it's worth that much more money.
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Adz
Like I'll give you the thing. That's in two years, right?
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Oyvind
Like I'll give you the
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Adz
So 170, 175K 10.6 million, that's 60X in nine years.
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Oyvind
That's 7x in 2 years, right?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fantastic, Flip.
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Adz
sorry one seventy
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Oyvind
So 170, 175k, 10.6 million.
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Adz
one seventy one seventy five k
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Oyvind
That's 60x in 9 years.
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Adz
to
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
that's sixty x in nine years
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's damn delicious, isn't it? Yeah.
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Oyvind
that's gone up, there's this gradual growth that shows the trading cards
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Adz
So even if this is a ah blip where it's with roots gone up, there's this gradual growth that shows that trading cards are a better long-term investment than stocks.
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Adz
Obviously, you need to have the right ones. And...
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Russell Gibson
So, yeah, I think that's the perfect analogy, though. It's the same with but shares and stocks, isn't it? Not everyone is going to be a winner.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
I think the same can be said about basketball cards. And, you know, the easy one to point out here is the junk wax era of the 90s.
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Adz
Sure. Yep. Perfect.
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Russell Gibson
and And how have you want to describe the current junk wax era that we're going through, whether it be the junk slabs or, you know, junk wax and junk retail that, you know, we're currently sort of experiencing at the at the end of Panini anyway.
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Adz
Junk slab, I think is what we've come to. Yeah. The retail era.
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Russell Gibson
So, Ivan, have you got any thoughts around this, man?
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Oyvind
the The interesting thing for me was when I was thinking of that sort of space in the past, it was it was the old classic baseball Mickey Mantle kind of stuff that that existed in in that sort of high end.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Upper tier. Yeah.
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Adz
Hmm.
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Oyvind
And now this is a a modern modern basketball card. That's that's kind of a ah shift ah for me. i didn't realize you know that it was
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Adz
Yeah.
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Oyvind
it's time
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think that particular card is special in the sense that it's two game-worn Logamans, also from an athlete that is no longer with us.
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Oyvind
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think that does... somewhat maybe accelerate the timeline through a little bit in in what you're talking about in that being that sort of, you know, more modern card.
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Adz
Mm.
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Russell Gibson
I definitely think that, you know, ah so I think what you're talking about Adam then too, is about, you know, the amount of money that's been spent into it. And then if you're talking about asset class, I i personally wonder about this.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Oyvind
I wonder about this.
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Russell Gibson
and And look, maybe I've been on Instagram too much.
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Oyvind
look, maybe been on Instagram too much.
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Russell Gibson
So there's we've spoken about this guy before, this JbellSHHB guy who basically just talks about different conspiracies and you know different ways that people are getting you know ripped off.
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Oyvind
there's, we've spoken about this guy before, this JbellSHHB guy who basically just talks about different conspiracies different ways people getting ripped off.
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Russell Gibson
And so he was actually even prospecting like that Jordan card.
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Oyvind
And so he was actually even prospecting like that Jordan card.
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Russell Gibson
He's like, how do you prove that that was game-worn by Jordan?
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Oyvind
He's like, how do you prove that that was game one Jordan and game one by Kobe?
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Russell Gibson
and game worn by Kobe. So even he is like speculating on the authenticity of that card.
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Oyvind
So even he is like speculating the authenticity that card.
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Russell Gibson
And, and by the way, just for the record, I don't, I don't agree with his current conspiracy theory on this. like I don't think he's got anything to prove it, but it's more to the point.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
It's like, okay, so if guys are spending 12 million bucks on it, you would hope that there is some checks and balances in place. And if you're talking about now, these becoming an an asset class,
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Russell Gibson
and you talk about regulating the hobby, maybe this is going to be the thing that comes out of it.
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Adz
ah
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Russell Gibson
So if people are putting a million bucks into this stuff, you know, they want to know that they're getting, I can't imagine these guys are that much of fools, you know?
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Adz
Do you know what I find really funny? That we've we we had the... um the issues with the the fake memorabilia not long ago.
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Adz
And then all of a sudden, and this has come and and the price of this card on Panini's guarantee has gone for ten mill over $10 million.
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Russell Gibson
Not that long ago. Yeah.
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Adz
dollars So, but sorry, upper deck, but a modern basketball card that has a little thing on the back that says we guarantee this card because we all know how good their word can be.
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Russell Gibson
up a deck, but yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Correct. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Oyvind
Because we all know how to do this.
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Russell Gibson
Well, actually, like in some ways, that actually speaks to my soul a little bit because I trust basketball cards more than I trust memorabilia.
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Adz
Upper deck. Yeah.
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Oyvind
What is really? in some ways that actually speaks to my soul little bit because I trust basketball cards more than trust them for me earlier.
00:13:46.42
Adz
Yeah.
00:13:49.61
Russell Gibson
i just
00:13:50.12
Oyvind
I just, whether this is a wrong or a right opinion, feel more safe in a basketball card that can be less easily manipulated than, like, a jersey.
00:13:50.92
Russell Gibson
Whether this is a wrong or a right opinion, I feel more safe in a basketball card that it can be less easily manipulated than like a jersey that just has like a sticker for authenticity on it.
00:14:00.60
Oyvind
It just has, like, a sticker point that you see on it.
00:14:02.45
Russell Gibson
You know what I mean?
00:14:02.86
Oyvind
You what mean?
00:14:02.97
Russell Gibson
like
00:14:03.46
Oyvind
Like, I don't know if does influence.
00:14:05.03
Russell Gibson
I don't know if that does influence... how much money is being spent in this space. But, you know, that's just my sort of feeling on that. ah So I wrote down a couple of other notes and I feel like I'll just sort of blurt these out and you guys can give your feedback on it.
00:14:19.37
Russell Gibson
It's huge money coming from outside of the hobby. So these aren't collectors. Like this is flipping at its ultimate form. And he's and he said that straight up. He's buying this as a high-end investment and he's buying it because he thinks it has the most chance to make him the most money.
00:14:31.73
Oyvind
and he's blinded because he thinks it has the
00:14:33.55
Adz
Yeah.
00:14:36.99
Russell Gibson
This guy is not... he's not He's not for the hobby. I mean, is he for the hobby? like I don't know. like I'd like to hear your guys' thoughts on this because...
00:14:45.67
Adz
Yeah.
00:14:46.08
Oyvind
Well, it gives gives the market a bit of confidence, right?
00:14:46.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:14:49.04
Oyvind
That money exists, you know whether it's but within the hobby or from outside, you know there is a market for it.
00:14:53.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:14:54.97
Oyvind
If you want to play in that space and and spend some money, there there other people who are doing it.
00:14:55.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:14:59.40
Adz
yeah
00:15:00.91
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:15:01.19
Oyvind
It might bring in some more people. I'm not sure it has a lot to say for yeah my collecting and my hobby, but you know it's probably good.
00:15:08.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:15:12.11
Russell Gibson
I think it's good overall for the hobby. I think if more people are putting money into it, I think that's always a good thing for us. I think particularly if you're already in the hobby and you have some things that maybe might be like positively affected by it, like, you know, the the obvious and the easy one here to talk about it are Kobe's.
00:15:17.69
Oyvind
I think particularly if you're already in the hobby and you have some things that be positively affected by it.
00:15:21.95
Adz
yeah yeah yeah
00:15:26.47
Oyvind
The obvious and the easy here to talk about the Coveys.
00:15:29.76
Russell Gibson
Do you have Kobe's now sitting in your cupboard that have have now just doubled overnight because,
00:15:30.33
Oyvind
you have Coveys now sitting in the cupboard that are just dumped over the land because Mr.
00:15:33.29
Adz
mm-hmm
00:15:35.83
Russell Gibson
you know, Mr. Wonderful says, you know, Kobe Bryant autos are, you know, the one to collect and, you know, it's the hot thing to sell at the moment, you know.
00:15:36.83
Oyvind
Wonderful says Covey Bryant the hot thing to sell the world. think the other thing I think interesting to talk about, which we're kind
00:15:43.13
Russell Gibson
um I think the other thing I think it's interesting to talk about, which we've kind of already talked about is how they joined together, not beat against each other. But actually I think, and I probably should add this in now, what I think is more interesting is that,
00:15:54.12
Oyvind
think it's important that Shire in on this deal.
00:15:55.42
Russell Gibson
I think it's really important that Shine was in on this deal because if you're from outside of the hobby and you are like, you know nothing, but you've got all the money, you do need that consultant that can tell you like, which is the right card to get, you know, how is the right way to go dealing, you know, doing these big deals.
00:15:58.54
Oyvind
Because you're from outside of the hobby are like, you know nothing but you've got the money, you do need that consultant.
00:16:12.68
Russell Gibson
And I feel like someone like Shine, like you've seen this guy's collection. I feel like his base card is like a Jordan autograph. Like that's the worst card that that guy's gotten into his collection, you know? So He knows how to do these big deals. He knows, you know, where to buy them um from, all that type of stuff.
00:16:28.54
Russell Gibson
um And then I think the final dot point I'll put out to you guys is the trickle down effect.
00:16:29.09
Adz
Yeah.
00:16:32.60
Russell Gibson
You know, what's the trickle down effect going to be for the hobby? What's it the trickle down effect going to be for the flippers? You know, we can talk about the flippers too. I think that's that's a good one. Yep.
00:16:41.74
Adz
Yeah.
00:16:43.76
Oyvind
I don't have Kobe's or very few, so, you know, probably little direct impact.
00:16:45.98
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:16:48.01
Oyvind
I'll talk about Kobe a bit later um when it comes to my collecting. But so yeah, I guess I'm just, you know, some steps removed from from that sort of space where I don't have those hugely valuable Kobe's or otherwise.
00:17:04.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think you can talk about it in a, in a way that of just observationally, it doesn't have to be like about personal experience.
00:17:11.08
Adz
From at your personal collection, yeah, yeah.
00:17:11.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:14.23
Oyvind
Yeah, um I mean, the trickle-down effect, I'm sure there is some. like I think, you know whether it's Kobe or or other players, probably LeBron coming up to retirement, that's going to...
00:17:27.25
Oyvind
Something exciting could happen there, I imagine.
00:17:28.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:29.13
Oyvind
you know There's going to be some big deals going on. um And everyone has you know some LeBrons stashed away, or most people do, right?
00:17:37.96
Adz
Yeah.
00:17:38.33
Oyvind
um So, yeah, it it could could get interesting ah in the next few years.
00:17:44.80
Adz
Yeah.
00:17:45.53
Russell Gibson
What do you reckon? Oh,
00:17:46.58
Adz
Well, i've got I've got a comment from the the the live feed. Anthony Milne is what is is watching on is is watching on YouTube.
00:17:50.20
Oyvind
I mean, that could be a trip to the end.
00:17:50.72
Russell Gibson
I, I knew, i knew it was going to be Anthony. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:55.00
Adz
um
00:17:55.07
Russell Gibson
Hello, Anthony.
00:17:56.24
Adz
ah To me, it's more of a statement that Kobe and NJ are more valuable than LeBron.
00:18:06.26
Russell Gibson
i mean, that could be a trickle down effect.
00:18:07.14
Adz
And then he also said there might be we might need for a ranking system like the mantle card with regards to values and stuff.
00:18:07.89
Russell Gibson
Sure. Yeah.
00:18:11.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:13.22
Adz
But, yeah, um I think there there is an impact.
00:18:17.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely.
00:18:18.18
Adz
I'm not sure what the LeBron impact is. i think people are watching with bated breath. I think Kobe's starting to get the on-flow effect, obviously, because he's there are no more autos.
00:18:28.64
Russell Gibson
I think the obvious, that's the easy pickings here. The trickle-down effect is Kobe. Like, it has to be. Yeah.
00:18:34.94
Adz
Yeah, and because Kobe is no longer with us, I mean, Jordan might be reluctant to sign, but Kobe can't.
00:18:37.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:42.43
Adz
And that's as simple as that, yeah.
00:18:42.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I really feel like though, ad we've talked about this, like we were like a couple of years ago, Kobe's were 300 bucks.
00:18:49.84
Adz
Oh, yeah, i look, I know the on-flow effect is Kobe's are only going up, yeah.
00:18:50.42
Russell Gibson
Right? And it's so it's so dumb, isn't it? Now you look back at it, you're like, of course, like these autographs are going to go up.
00:18:57.69
Adz
Mm, mm, mm, mm.
00:18:58.33
Russell Gibson
You know, it's it's so, I feel stupid sometimes.
00:19:00.47
Adz
But this is this is where...
00:19:02.33
Russell Gibson
or I'm like, i I feel like we see these things and yet we don't put our money into it. You know, it's like, yeah, yeah.
00:19:05.90
Adz
Yeah, the but we go we go from a place where, god I know remember 50 episodes ago I did this, maybe even more, when I was talking about I was giving every basketball player three digits and calling them stocks, but the the KOB or the Kobe stock is about to go through the roof.
00:19:16.02
Oyvind
was giving every basketball player three digits and calling them stocks.
00:19:20.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:24.02
Oyvind
The KOB the Kobe stock is about to go through the roof.
00:19:25.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure.
00:19:25.53
Adz
that's That's the Tesla stock, right?
00:19:27.54
Oyvind
That's the Tesla stock, right?
00:19:29.04
Russell Gibson
Wow.
00:19:29.12
Adz
Like you're told you're talking good shit.
00:19:29.78
Oyvind
You're talking about pre-must going crazy or something.
00:19:30.28
Russell Gibson
Are you talking about pre-Musk going crazy or before?
00:19:32.03
Adz
You're...
00:19:33.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:33.96
Adz
You're talking about like stock in Apple is Michael Jordan.
00:19:37.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:37.87
Adz
If you'd got it when it was cheap, yeah, cool. you're going to be a millionaire.
00:19:41.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:41.46
Adz
um I don't know about LeBron. Like I know LeBron will be very valuable, but I think LeBron put himself on Rushmore.
00:19:50.28
Oyvind
Mm-hmm.
00:19:51.10
Adz
I don't think everybody else is putting LeBron on there. And I'm not going to get throw shade at LeBron because I do think being this good for this long is an amazing feat.
00:19:59.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:59.77
Adz
but I think he's drawn a lot of the narrative rather than just let his game do the talking. So the other person I think is going to be affected by this, and this isn't by our generation of collectors.
00:20:11.48
Adz
This is 15, 20 years from now when there's another Adam and Russell doing a podcast about way back when the legends like Steph Curry played basketball is Steph Curry.
00:20:13.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:20:25.82
Adz
Right? The the kids that are... the turning 18 now that it that grew up in junior basketball being idolizing Steph Curry will think just as fondly. And I think there's sort of a ah generational couple of players.
00:20:40.38
Adz
We've been spoiled in the 90s and the 2000s so far.
00:20:43.90
Oyvind
Definitely.
00:20:44.32
Adz
But there's a lot of them. And i I joke, you joke about the likely, like, and I'll segue quickly.
00:20:46.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we've been very blessed in this era for sure. yep
00:20:52.45
Adz
Damian Lillard has had a really great career and all, but there's no hobby love for him. because he hasn't won anything.
00:20:58.36
Russell Gibson
Definitely not.
00:20:59.60
Adz
like this Everyone pays on projections projected outcome these days. So unless they actually solidify themselves, Jokic is no joke. like he's going to He's holding value at the moment, but traditionally bigs do drop off a little bit.
00:21:15.83
Adz
The question is who are going to be those players that are collectible and memorable for their for their for their point in history?
00:21:23.81
Oyvind
Yeah,
00:21:25.85
Adz
and And I think Kobe's obviously solidified.
00:21:26.98
Oyvind
for sure.
00:21:27.93
Adz
Jordan is solidified.
00:21:29.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's I mean, Jordan's an interesting one because he's so popular already and he's already so collected. So I kind of find it hard to understand how that's going to change it so much. But I definitely think it reinforces it.
00:21:38.26
Adz
It won't.
00:21:40.55
Russell Gibson
I think the other one actually we need to talk about too is Logamans. Look, they're already collectible already.
00:21:44.55
Adz
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
00:21:45.73
Russell Gibson
They're already expensive, you know, la la la. At the same time, I really think that's going to turn some collectors into... buying more Logamen and just putting them away.
00:21:52.67
Oyvind
I think that would be the thing.
00:21:54.18
Russell Gibson
i think that will be a thing.
00:21:55.58
Oyvind
The other really interesting sort of topical thing at the moment is has locum in
00:21:56.20
Russell Gibson
The other really interesting sort of topical thing at the moment is Mosaic Hobby has Logamen in it. So Panini are just loading boxes at the moment.
00:22:01.18
Oyvind
if you're needing just loading boxes in the it just released a product.
00:22:03.56
Russell Gibson
They've just released a product. It's called Silhouette. it's um I think it's seven memorabilia cards and one autograph per box.
00:22:07.14
Oyvind
It's Silhouette. I think it's seven memorabilia cards and one autographed box.
00:22:12.45
Russell Gibson
Don't don't quote me on that, but it's it's sort of in that ballpark of like
00:22:12.54
Oyvind
Don't quote me on that, but it's sort of in that whole park of like,
00:22:17.02
Russell Gibson
a cheaper Noir where you you know you get sort of multiple hits out of the box and they're putting Logerman into that. And so you know the current sort of thing at the moment is people are you know just wanting to buy up this product and going to breaks for it and and la la la.
00:22:33.73
Adz
Yeah.
00:22:33.75
Russell Gibson
And I kind of wonder if
00:22:37.26
Russell Gibson
Again, it's very topical. We've just seen this Jordan, Kobe, Logoman go for, you know, really big dollars. Can collectors kind of, you know, ja those join those dots in their heads together? And I really actually think the answer is yes, because, you know, at the end of the day, i feel like, we know, we've talked about this before too.
00:22:54.72
Russell Gibson
It's like, what is collectible? What is going to be collectible in a few years? And I feel like we've had this massive big auction, you know, Logoman is going to be something that you...
00:22:57.91
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:04.27
Russell Gibson
Kabooms, PMGs, Logamans is, you know, it's going to be all in the same sentence. um Or even give us your final thoughts on this and we'll go to a break and we'll move on.
00:23:14.89
Oyvind
You mentioned Jokic. I think that's a good call. Like, he's not someone who's driving his own narrative like LeBron, right?
00:23:20.51
Adz
Mm.
00:23:20.87
Oyvind
He just lets his game do the talking. And I feel like...
00:23:23.04
Adz
Yep.
00:23:23.56
Russell Gibson
And racing horses. You have to talk about that too.
00:23:25.44
Oyvind
Well, well but that's he he becomes this sort of cult figure almost because he's not the one in front of the cameras and and doing his documentaries and what have you.
00:23:25.95
Adz
And drinking.
00:23:26.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:29.05
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:34.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:34.31
Oyvind
he's He's just an excellent, excellent basketball player. And and I think, you know, 10, 20 years from now, he'll be, you high up there on the list.
00:23:44.40
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:44.52
Oyvind
ah So in terms of players, I think he's he's a good call.
00:23:47.41
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:23:47.62
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, I think Jokic is redefining what a big man is or what a big man can do. And Curry, well, I've spoken enough about Curry in the last four years that everybody knows the impact that Stephen Curry has had on this league. sorry
00:24:08.53
Adz
Are we going to a break?
00:24:12.07
Adz
Oh, is it on me to do the first break? Oh, okay, great. I haven't actually prepared the read, but yes. So the fifth first firsta break today is brought to you by Fast Break Trading ah trading Cards.
00:24:25.37
Adz
I went to their trade day.
00:24:28.18
Russell Gibson
Tell us about it, man.
00:24:29.12
Adz
it was um It was awesome.
00:24:31.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:31.67
Adz
It was just like when we went to the the first birthday celebration. ah The community down there are nothing short of incredible, and it's amazing.
00:24:39.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I saw some of the videos. They look like they killed it again. Yeah.
00:24:41.78
Adz
it it's um it's a community built environment but that that community wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for John and Alvaro and and their team uh their team there it's uh it's nothing like like other card shops have locals regulars but but going along to there you sort of feel part of the family and that's
00:24:46.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:24:53.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:25:05.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:25:06.63
Adz
It's very different. It's an experience. It's not just a business. so and And that's the only way I can describe it. Every time I go down there, it's an experience talking to the guys. It doesn't matter if they're working or not. The young ah the young ones that that work there behind the counter, they do an incredible job. they They can advise you on Pokemon, football, soccer, NFL, like everything. You want accessories. You want products.
00:25:32.51
Adz
You want singles. They've got boxes.
00:25:34.47
Russell Gibson
card grading.
00:25:35.74
Adz
they can They can sort you out for card grading. they What can't they do, really? um
00:25:42.10
Russell Gibson
Did you get any trades done?
00:25:42.13
Adz
i i got a couple of trades done. it was um ah what was it it was ah It was a shack in the end, I think I got.
00:25:45.17
Russell Gibson
What'd you get done?
00:25:49.63
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:25:49.69
Adz
um
00:25:49.75
Russell Gibson
You're going to flip it to Joe.
00:25:51.05
Adz
But it was nice. Probably. no, it was a PSA 9.
00:25:53.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:25:55.21
Adz
He won't be interested.
00:25:55.98
Russell Gibson
That's right.
00:25:56.41
Adz
um No, I had a lot of questions about grassroots collecting there. And I'll tell you what, they... they do one hell of a job of I guess, paying it forward. And it is about the experience. and And the only way we retain collectors is by by supporting grassroots collecting.
00:26:16.24
Adz
Seeing children running around, there's a sausage sizzle on, and they're all wiping their hands and not wrecking their cards. Didn't see any rubber bands out there. Everybody had folders, but everyone had a good time.
00:26:24.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:27.23
Adz
I went there with some genuine curiosity because I don't understand the Pokemon the pokemon boom. So I asked questions about Pokemon.
00:26:35.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:35.82
Adz
um it was It was really insightful.
00:26:39.57
Russell Gibson
Did anyone say to you, stay away from it?
00:26:39.64
Adz
a so the the the funny So I went to a couple of Pokemon collectors and I asked them, I said, um what is the one bit of advice you'd give to someone that is considering buying Pokemon cards?
00:26:41.50
Russell Gibson
Cause it's peaking at the moment. So it's sort of a bad time to buy it.
00:26:54.13
Adz
And their advice was don't. Yeah.
00:26:55.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I'm seeing more and more of that on the, like any 10 at the moment, just like, yeah.
00:26:59.96
Adz
But overall, there's some, it's very simple. There's a lot of parallels, pop count and things like that and and popularity.
00:27:04.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:06.17
Adz
I did go and ask everybody about things like, what did I, I compared it to basketball, of course. said, are there power rankings? There are 1,025 Pokemon. pokemon So there are power rankings. Charizard is right up there at number one. Umbreon, I found, was was very popular as well.
00:27:26.03
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:27:26.44
Adz
Pikachu, there are some some classic favorites, but Charizard still rules rules the roost.
00:27:30.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:32.46
Adz
But the the big thing I found was don't collect it it as an investment. Collect what you want to collect. So if you enjoy the game or you enjoy the television show, collect the Pokemon you want to collect.
00:27:44.23
Adz
So you can actually get into it and enjoy it the way you want to enjoy it. ah was really confused by the end of it because I thought it was a trading card game and no one knew how to play the game. sorry Everyone just collected their favorite Pokemon.
00:27:55.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:27:55.52
Adz
um I thought it was a beautiful community experience, but I'm still terrified of the investment side. But um back to Fast Break, they put they they put on a hell of a show.
00:28:01.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Thank you, lads. Yeah.
00:28:05.95
Adz
i cannot speak highly enough of these guys, and I am going to call them out on the show right again. Alvaro told me at the trade day that he will start regularly coming on the show to tell us about upcoming releases.
00:28:19.98
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:28:20.49
Adz
So we'll be in touch with the lads and and hopefully we can now we can get to the inside scoop about some of the cards that are coming out.
00:28:23.13
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:28:28.17
Russell Gibson
Go to fastbreaktradingcards.com for all your card collecting memorabilia needs. Thanks guys for the ongoing support. All right, we're back.
00:28:38.88
Russell Gibson
Oyvend, this is all about you.
00:28:40.50
Oyvind
Yes.
00:28:42.90
Russell Gibson
The reason why we had you come on to this week's show it's because of your fantastic set that you did finish.
00:28:45.67
Oyvind
Yeah, I, um,
00:28:49.41
Russell Gibson
And I wanted to talk to you about the perspective or your ideology around collecting. Because I think um sometimes the current narrative can be around flipping too much or investors too much.
00:29:04.17
Oyvind
Mm.
00:29:04.65
Russell Gibson
And I think it's as good to actually hear from somebody that... So I think you do the collecting side and you know well. And I think... This is something we can talk about a little bit later on too about um budget management.
00:29:17.77
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:29:18.16
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:29:18.21
Russell Gibson
Because my observation of you, is you know, you've been in the game for a long time.
00:29:18.69
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:29:20.93
Russell Gibson
You go into breaks, you do your sales, you do your auctions, and you sort of just manage everything out. And I think that my observation of people that sort of stick around in the hobby, you know, for the time that I've seen you in it, is that they have that sort of um ecosystem or they have that balance around it too.
00:29:40.47
Russell Gibson
So that was probably the two things I wanted to talk to you and get your insights about, because I think it's just, it's interesting. It's valuable, I think. So but yeah, let's talk about set collecting first.
00:29:49.10
Oyvind
Yeah, happy to absolutely talk about
00:29:52.54
Russell Gibson
Cause that's the, that's the big one.
00:29:54.13
Adz
Yeah.
00:29:54.14
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:29:55.05
Oyvind
Yeah, so like a week or or two ago, I posted some photos on various socials of that set that I completed. So the 15, 16 Prism light blue set. So cards 1 to 300. So they're numbered to 199. And i got the final one in the mail just like two weeks ago.
00:30:13.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:13.71
Oyvind
So took me a little while to take all the photos, individual photos of each card, and splice them together.
00:30:20.55
Russell Gibson
How long did that take you to do?
00:30:20.90
Oyvind
But worth it. A couple of hours probably. Yeah, it was decent. Yeah, but it's 300 cards, so it's going to take a little while.
00:30:32.41
Russell Gibson
Do you use an app for it or do you do it like with a camera in Photoshop?
00:30:36.35
Oyvind
Camera, like mobile phone camera, actually.
00:30:37.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:40.09
Adz
Wow.
00:30:40.61
Oyvind
So I should have you know a better setup for that, some sort of tripod stationary setup, but I don't. So it's a bit tricky. takes a little while, but know it's worth it.
00:30:53.72
Adz
That's huge. It's awesome.
00:30:57.02
Russell Gibson
And
00:30:57.04
Adz
There's a big set too, wasn't it? 15, 16. I'm just trying to think. Is that Jokic's first appearance?
00:31:01.45
Oyvind
yeah Yeah, so it's Jokic rookie year. So the heck the cards 1 to 300 is not the rookies. I wish it was.
00:31:08.44
Adz
so
00:31:09.81
Oyvind
and So there's another 100 cards after the sort of base set where there's rookies and then there's some subsets of all-stars and
00:31:10.02
Adz
Yeah, true true.
00:31:14.90
Adz
Oh.
00:31:20.20
Oyvind
ah defensive teams or whatever, all NBA.
00:31:21.97
Adz
Yep.
00:31:23.51
Oyvind
So those are the last hundred cards. So I've just done the the sort of vets and retired players, one to 300, so no rookies. um
00:31:31.07
Adz
Okay.
00:31:31.27
Oyvind
Because it's Jokic. It's Jokic. And well, it's pretty much Jokic, I guess.
00:31:34.36
Adz
Booker.
00:31:35.60
Oyvind
Yeah, Booker might cost a little bit as well.
00:31:38.76
Russell Gibson
so But like, what's your motivation to to do a project like that?
00:31:38.86
Oyvind
Hmm.
00:31:41.85
Russell Gibson
Because it's, you know it's a long time.
00:31:42.98
Adz
it's ah It's a big project.
00:31:43.25
Russell Gibson
It's a big commitment.
00:31:44.34
Adz
Yeah.
00:31:44.72
Oyvind
Hmm.
00:31:44.89
Russell Gibson
And financially too, i feel like if in my opinion or my experience, it's just an absolute money pit doing these collections. And i I personally think you you never get your money back on them.
00:31:55.28
Oyvind
Yeah, well...
00:31:57.75
Russell Gibson
So it's also, it's not an investment piece. Like that's other thing too. So yeah.
00:32:01.94
Oyvind
I don't think sets sell, right? ah
00:32:04.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:32:05.02
Oyvind
Oh, maybe I should hit up some auction houses now.
00:32:05.37
Adz
Yeah.
00:32:07.26
Oyvind
But, you know, as that's my experience is that they don't sell very well. People want their PC player and and that's it.
00:32:11.46
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:32:14.12
Oyvind
they They don't care about the 299 others, um which is fine.
00:32:14.19
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:32:19.11
Oyvind
I guess I did just... I find it um good to to you know sort of have lists and tick things off and have a something to complete you know i don't have a pc player or pc team um i just set collect and i guess it's sort of it's more focused a little bit for me um you know there's always the next set and and you have multiple sets going but at least you can complete something
00:32:29.67
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:32:44.74
Russell Gibson
How many sets are you currently chasing at the moment?
00:32:47.46
Oyvind
um It's around the 100 set mark. some of so Some of them are not all that serious.
00:32:54.36
Adz
wow
00:33:00.39
Oyvind
And certainly they're not 300 cards.
00:33:01.44
Russell Gibson
i love you just like casually, you're just like, I am just casually collecting a hundred different sets. Like,
00:33:08.18
Oyvind
A lot of them are 20 card sets, you know inserts, you know subsets, that sort of stuff.
00:33:11.21
Russell Gibson
sure.
00:33:11.34
Adz
like, casually.
00:33:12.49
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:13.22
Oyvind
It's not huge base sets.
00:33:14.52
Russell Gibson
ye You need to make sure your wife doesn't listen to this, man.
00:33:14.65
Oyvind
Although I do like big base sets.
00:33:14.98
Adz
Mmm.
00:33:17.08
Russell Gibson
I kind of feel like I've just blown any cover that you had.
00:33:18.42
Adz
Mmm. Mmm.
00:33:22.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:23.07
Oyvind
Yeah, no no cover. That's okay. um I do really like large base sets, though, because it gives a nice snapshot of the league at the time.
00:33:28.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:31.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:31.06
Adz
Yeah.
00:33:31.21
Oyvind
So you can you look through it and you see, oh, you know, Paddy Mills was, well, he was in Spurs, obviously, but whoever was at that team and and this team and and this guy, oh, I forgot he played, like, he left, you know.
00:33:38.81
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:33:42.39
Russell Gibson
I agree.
00:33:42.89
Adz
Yeah, yeah, like, yeah.
00:33:43.07
Russell Gibson
It's a really good snapshot in time. Yeah.
00:33:45.93
Oyvind
So I really enjoy that part.
00:33:47.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:33:47.35
Oyvind
um so So those large base sets are really good for that. And and this particular one had 60 retired players, which is pretty... you know you You don't really get that many retired players in those sets.
00:33:58.74
Adz
Yeah.
00:34:00.10
Oyvind
It doesn't really go past you know Magic and Larry Bird and and these that small group. But here you had Rip Hamilton, you had Michael Red.
00:34:05.71
Adz
yeah
00:34:09.86
Oyvind
and it was a bit of an extended list, which was pretty cool.
00:34:11.77
Adz
There was a lot, Prism do extend a little bit. as ah But this set in particular, yeah.
00:34:18.90
Russell Gibson
But from, that's interesting to me because I feel like in those older sets, I don't remember it being padded out the way it is now.
00:34:18.92
Oyvind
Yeah, so that that was nice.
00:34:28.56
Russell Gibson
so which is obviously my memory's faulty because basically you're telling me it's like a 400 card set, which like seems to me a lot.
00:34:33.19
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:34:35.02
Adz
oh
00:34:35.10
Oyvind
it's ah It's a really large set, but they did have less parallels.
00:34:36.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:38.66
Oyvind
It wasn't padded up as much in that way.
00:34:40.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:41.25
Oyvind
you know It wasn't you know the 40 different color variations.
00:34:45.12
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:34:45.71
Oyvind
Um, there was some of some.
00:34:46.75
Russell Gibson
I would rather more players than parallels. Like if I had a choice between the two, like I actually don't understand why they don't give every rookie a card.
00:34:48.92
Oyvind
Oh, yeah.
00:34:53.19
Adz
the unnumbered parallels The unnumbered parallels confuse me.
00:34:55.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:34:56.87
Adz
I honestly don't understand why they want to just create additional unlimited product.
00:35:04.71
Russell Gibson
I think that is the answer though.
00:35:06.23
Oyvind
Yeah, that printing money, basically.
00:35:06.35
Adz
Yeah, yeah, they want to create unden... Yeah.
00:35:07.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:08.51
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:35:09.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:10.02
Oyvind
yeah Yeah, this, the the the more parallels, the more cars they can print and the more they can theoretically sell.
00:35:15.02
Adz
this is This is a very... i'm I'm reading through the checklist right now. Mark Eaton, James Worthy, Ron Seekly...
00:35:24.23
Russell Gibson
So why don't you tell us about some some of your advice on how to complete sets or, because you told me is some stuff offline about some of the hard cards to collect. Why don't you tell tell the listeners a little bit about that?
00:35:35.64
Russell Gibson
Cause I think that's interesting too.
00:35:36.65
Adz
o
00:35:36.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:37.62
Oyvind
i think I think I met you, Russ, a couple years ago in Melbourne. And I think at that point, two years ago, I i was missing five cards. It was taken me two years to find those last five cards.
00:35:48.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:35:49.44
Adz
Wow.
00:35:49.52
Oyvind
And the very last one was my, yeah.
00:35:50.91
Russell Gibson
Sorry to interrupt. Are you telling me it was two years ago we had dinner?
00:35:53.67
Oyvind
I think so.
00:35:54.39
Russell Gibson
Oh God, we're a bit overdue.
00:35:56.82
Oyvind
or coming up yeah um so the last one I couldn't find was Michael Red and for for years and years and years it just never showed up I'm guessing it's because people can't be bothered putting him on eBay because there's no market for him I'm guessing that's it um there was one card on eBay the whole time PSA 10 150 USD like
00:35:57.28
Adz
Time flies when you're having fun, right?
00:35:57.61
Russell Gibson
I'm sorry. Yeah.
00:36:05.10
Adz
wow
00:36:15.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:36:23.69
Oyvind
well I'm not paying that for Michael Redd.
00:36:26.35
Adz
Yeah.
00:36:26.79
Oyvind
It might as well not exist. Like I'm not touching that.
00:36:28.33
Russell Gibson
Did you offer him like 20 bucks or 25 bucks?
00:36:29.63
Oyvind
No, no, I don't think there was and but was ah an offer.
00:36:31.97
Adz
An offer thing.
00:36:32.06
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:36:32.96
Adz
You just pay Eminem and gone, come on, mate. What's going on?
00:36:35.45
Oyvind
Eventually, eventually just a raw one came up. I can't remember.
00:36:39.01
Adz
Beautiful.
00:36:39.12
Oyvind
It was $10 or whatever. And I, you know, didn't hesitate, of course. And now after I bought that, but it was by now, I think.
00:36:44.17
Russell Gibson
So auction or buy it now. ah wow. You must've been so happy.
00:36:49.19
Oyvind
Yeah, it was really good.
00:36:50.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:36:50.71
Oyvind
And now, like the other week, I checked and there's like three or four Michael Red of that exact card on eBay.
00:36:56.83
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:36:56.89
Oyvind
and like Where have they been? i don't know.
00:36:58.48
Adz
Oh, someone was waiting there like, oh my God, one sold for 10 bucks?
00:37:01.69
Oyvind
Yeah, probably.
00:37:01.79
Adz
You ripper, we'll list ours.
00:37:02.41
Oyvind
Probably.
00:37:04.49
Adz
There's a demand.
00:37:06.29
Russell Gibson
Are tempted to buy more of them?
00:37:07.87
Oyvind
No, no.
00:37:08.42
Adz
No.
00:37:08.66
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:37:10.39
Oyvind
No way.
00:37:10.52
Russell Gibson
So hang on a second.
00:37:10.70
Oyvind
Zero.
00:37:12.42
Russell Gibson
You're doing a hundred different sets. How many auto alerts on eBay have you got?
00:37:16.97
Oyvind
Zero.
00:37:18.20
Russell Gibson
Oh.
00:37:18.59
Oyvind
Yeah, I i don't... you there's There's a couple of cards that I check for very regularly that I'm missing, like just the one card.
00:37:26.23
Adz
Okay.
00:37:27.56
Oyvind
But otherwise, ah kind of a bit more casual about it. Like I'll just, you know, sometimes we'll we'll we'll spend a few...
00:37:30.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:37:34.41
Adz
So you just put the set in and just go through eBay for that set for argument's sake.
00:37:39.11
Oyvind
Yeah. ah
00:37:40.50
Adz
Cool.
00:37:40.58
Oyvind
Or Com you know, for lower end, Com C is just...
00:37:41.29
Russell Gibson
was going to say, surely you do com C don't you?
00:37:43.11
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:43.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:37:44.64
Oyvind
ah the best for lower end mid-end like the you you i could not have done that set without that platform for sure yeah um facebook groups it's a bit trickier you can find stuff but if you're looking for very specific cards it's tricky to find them in those yeah it's very random yeah
00:37:46.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:37:47.48
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:50.72
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:52.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:37:52.69
Adz
yeah Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:38:03.67
Russell Gibson
It's so random what comes up, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:07.99
Oyvind
um Yeah, I think that's that's where i I get them from. eBay and Comsi, that's the main the main thing.
00:38:14.27
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:17.15
Russell Gibson
um You put into the sheet here about low end appreciation. Talk to us about that. Cause I'm all about this too, by the way. Yeah.
00:38:23.99
Oyvind
um Well, I like it. well ah One obvious reason is that I can't afford the higher-end cards. you know We all love the Kabooms and Color Blast and RPAs. like
00:38:33.97
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:34.77
Oyvind
would absolutely love to have an RPA set or something. it would be amazing. um And, you know, if you're in the hobby, you can't be completely disconnected from value.
00:38:45.37
Oyvind
Like it's just so, you know, intricately connected.
00:38:46.72
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:47.07
Russell Gibson
yeah.
00:38:47.95
Adz
They're synonymous. Yeah.
00:38:49.09
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:38:49.86
Adz
Yeah.
00:38:50.50
Oyvind
But I, it sometimes clouds people's judgment, I think, and and myself too, like, because it becomes so much about the value. So I try to use the lower end set collecting as a,
00:38:58.59
Adz
Mmm.
00:39:02.21
Oyvind
sort of reminder to just look at the cards themselves, um
00:39:05.49
Adz
Nice.
00:39:06.69
Oyvind
yeah they can be appreciated in ah in a way that's not about value. And and i I think we all have that you know at some level, um particularly if you did it as a kid, if you collected it as a kid, it's it's there.
00:39:10.22
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:39:14.49
Adz
Yeah.
00:39:18.83
Russell Gibson
But it's just taking that time to actually sit down and appreciate them and go through them.
00:39:19.21
Oyvind
yeah
00:39:22.31
Russell Gibson
I think that's the catch, isn't it?
00:39:22.70
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:39:24.99
Russell Gibson
And it's just so tempting to look at a big boy, you know, out of your special box.
00:39:25.50
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:39:29.72
Oyvind
Mm-hmm.
00:39:30.60
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah, I yeah i get what you're saying 100%.
00:39:32.69
Adz
Yep.
00:39:33.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:39:35.02
Oyvind
The example I use for that is is Chronicles. you know Chronicles, I don't think they've done for the last two years.
00:39:39.34
Adz
Oh, yeah, that's it.
00:39:40.28
Oyvind
um
00:39:40.77
Adz
Yep.
00:39:40.94
Oyvind
And it was pretty much dismissed as as junk. you know the The print runs were huge for the for that. And the value of those cards were really low.
00:39:47.98
Adz
Yep.
00:39:50.42
Oyvind
I think the base cards for Chronicles was probably like the lowest regarded cards in the space.
00:39:52.08
Adz
Mm.
00:39:56.20
Russell Gibson
You couldn't, you couldn't sell those for like 10 cents.
00:39:58.17
Oyvind
No, you could not.
00:39:59.09
Russell Gibson
they were Yeah.
00:40:00.23
Oyvind
yeah But something like the Luminance subset, particularly, say, 2018-19, Luka and SGA's rookie year, really, really nice, like just to look at.
00:40:03.92
Adz
yeah
00:40:10.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:40:12.60
Oyvind
And they're 50 cents, I'm sure. Well, not Luka, not Luka rookie, but, you know, most of them are 50 cents.
00:40:19.56
Adz
yeah
00:40:20.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:40:20.54
Oyvind
ah Really nice cards, really simple cards.
00:40:23.55
Russell Gibson
yeah There was another set in that and it had like wings on the outside of the the guys. i did a I did a couple of sets out of that too, because just for that same reason, I just really enjoyed the cards.
00:40:32.13
Oyvind
There's
00:40:37.10
Adz
the The aesthetic of the cards themselves, yeah.
00:40:38.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they were like that sort of Donruss material type cards was a bit thicker and sort of like not an acetate, but yeah, just, yeah, I couldn't agree with you more on that. Just that. really nice sort of low end.
00:40:50.39
Russell Gibson
And the set that I've just finished this week, this is not going show at all in the video. That's 75 years.
00:40:55.69
Oyvind
a nice, that's a pretty big
00:40:56.89
Russell Gibson
So I think the, yeah.
00:40:56.98
Adz
Good job finishing that set off. That was cool.
00:40:59.44
Russell Gibson
So the footnote for that is that they released it in three different sets. So you had to sort of siphon through like through it was optic prism and then mosaic.
00:41:03.21
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:41:04.59
Adz
Really
00:41:08.57
Russell Gibson
And weirdly they released like the optic cards in prism and then the mosaic and
00:41:09.04
Adz
Yeah.
00:41:15.14
Oyvind
They messed it up, didn't they?
00:41:16.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah, they did. And whether they did it on purpose to sort of make you chase a little bit harder or it was just like a we were just all panini, but
00:41:17.21
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:41:22.70
Oyvind
I think I remember hearing that they they admitted that they messed it up.
00:41:26.24
Russell Gibson
the Mosaic cards were the hardest to get because I don't know why if it was just like they didn't print enough of them or the you know whatever happened. so
00:41:33.20
Adz
yeah
00:41:33.53
Russell Gibson
um All right, the next thing you've you've got in here is the storage and organization. Because I think this is something you actually that is really good to talk about because either they're stored away in ah in a way that they're
00:41:40.95
Adz
yeah
00:41:44.63
Russell Gibson
easy to stack in your covers and they don't take too too much space, but then they're very hard to look at all. They're put into the nine folder pockets and then you have storage issues with that, but they're easy to look at. So where are you at with all that type of stuff? Yeah.
00:41:57.02
Oyvind
It is hard. like There isn't a great way to display lots and lots of cards.
00:42:01.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:02.36
Adz
nine
00:42:03.86
Oyvind
There just isn't. i My lower end stuff goes into the binders. um That's easy enough to look at. I mean, they do take some space, but you know it's not too bad. The tricky part I find is slightly more valuable cards.
00:42:18.56
Oyvind
you know What do you do with them? So I end up top loaders and then the card bins. i don't know if you've seen those kind of rigid plastic, hard plastic bins.
00:42:29.14
Russell Gibson
that you can get from like Kmart or something like that.
00:42:29.23
Oyvind
You can...
00:42:31.10
Adz
Bunnings or oh oh okay yeah
00:42:31.38
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:42:32.37
Oyvind
No, these are like card like specifically for cards. um The BWC, what is the company? BCW?
00:42:39.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:40.04
Oyvind
um Yeah, they make them. ah They're not super cheap, but they're really good for top-loaded cards, and you can fit like hundreds of them.
00:42:48.34
Adz
I I think I know the ones you're talking about when we went to this is going back couple of years now to an EJ trading card day um EJ cards, they had them for their $10 box or $5 box.
00:43:02.41
Adz
And we were going through the top loaders in there. I don't know if Russell remembers. He would have sifted through all of them, but that's that's the plastic.
00:43:07.23
Russell Gibson
Actually, I do remember this.
00:43:11.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.
00:43:11.35
Adz
Yeah, anyway.
00:43:12.38
Oyvind
They're not very practical. Like, you can't really see the cards.
00:43:14.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:43:15.53
Adz
do Do they have lids where you can you but you can stack them, right? So they're like tubs that you can stack, yeah.
00:43:19.04
Oyvind
Yes. Yes. Yeah, they're basically like tubs. You can stack them really safe, like really good, but not very, know it's not a display of, yeah.
00:43:24.05
Adz
Yeah.
00:43:27.14
Adz
I use the why the cardboard ones that hold the top loads like that, the two two rows. yeah
00:43:31.91
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:43:33.86
Oyvind
So those are good. A bit expensive. but I think they were like $80 maybe when I last bought some.
00:43:39.72
Adz
Storage is is always a tricky one. Yeah, especially cost-effective storage.
00:43:45.22
Oyvind
Yeah. All right.
00:43:46.96
Russell Gibson
All right, let's go for a break and we'll come back and we'll talk about going into breaks and selling and sort of juggling your your so your cost spreadsheet. How about we do that? yeah
00:43:55.51
Oyvind
right
00:43:56.69
Russell Gibson
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00:44:12.28
Russell Gibson
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00:44:25.57
Russell Gibson
I think the main thing for us to talk about this week is his ComC project.
00:44:27.11
Oyvind
for to talk about this week is his policy project.
00:44:30.25
Russell Gibson
So Ross has been slaving away at this for quite a while now.
00:44:30.82
Oyvind
So Ross has been slaving away at this quite a while now.
00:44:34.93
Russell Gibson
um People who have already submitted their cards are essentially in like a, for lack of a better word, like a beta testing sort of phase.
00:44:35.30
Oyvind
People who have already submitted their cards are essentially like, for lack better word, like media testing sort of base. Ross is at the moment just finding out all the things in the system, the big announcement is going to be made very shortly
00:44:42.85
Adz
Mmm.
00:44:43.22
Russell Gibson
Ross is at the moment just ironing out all of the the kinks in the system. The big announcement that is going to be made very shortly, iss it's going to have its own spin-off website. So you won't go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. In the future, you'll go to comsie.com.au.
00:44:59.91
Adz
Australia.
00:45:00.44
Russell Gibson
A dot whatever it's going to be.
00:45:01.54
Oyvind
Whatever it's going to be.
00:45:01.92
Russell Gibson
Anyway, he's got his own website for it.
00:45:02.55
Adz
Comsi Oz.
00:45:02.74
Oyvind
that's going be coming out really soon.
00:45:03.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:05.01
Oyvind
know Ross is really excited about this to make this announcement and get it out.
00:45:05.41
Russell Gibson
so that's going to be coming out really soon. I know Ross is really excited about this to, you know, announce, make this announcement and get it out for everybody to see.
00:45:08.92
Adz
Mmm.
00:45:10.47
Oyvind
Guys, if you do want to make your submission to it, just go to US Book Cards Australia.
00:45:12.33
Russell Gibson
So guys, if you do want to make your submission to it, just go to us sports cards, Australia, go on check out my cards, Australia, um click onto the submission form, write on that in capital letters.
00:45:13.36
Adz
Yeah.
00:45:17.93
Oyvind
Go on to check out my Cards Australia. Click on the Submission form. Write on that capital letters. You can't copy this.
00:45:23.30
Russell Gibson
You can't comp this. You'll get a free submission, which is basically nine cents off per card.
00:45:24.26
Oyvind
get free submission, which is basically $0.09 on your card.
00:45:28.17
Russell Gibson
Um, Ross will take care of all of your uploads. He'll do all that for free for you as a thank you for listening to the show.
00:45:32.06
Adz
yeah
00:45:33.75
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we are back and we're going to continue our conversation with Oivind and he's going to talk to us about, um longevity in the hobby in terms of going into breaks, flipping cards, doing auctions and, you know, selling off some of your collection and then building your sets up so you can build that ah into it too, mate.
00:45:48.95
Adz
Yep. yep
00:45:55.30
Russell Gibson
So talk to us about that. Like what's your sort of philosophy around all of this?
00:46:00.93
Oyvind
Yeah, I think you definitely see people come in really hard and but spend all their money basically.
00:46:04.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:06.91
Oyvind
and And that's a problem.
00:46:07.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:08.63
Oyvind
Like you're not going to last you. You definitely need to to budget and have a strategy. um
00:46:16.62
Oyvind
I think a lot of people do this to a certain extent, but you you you try and and buy and sell and make, you know, make a few dollars here and there, whether it's boxes or cards or whatever, and just funnel that, you know, profit into your buying cards.
00:46:25.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:31.63
Adz
Buying more. Yeah.
00:46:32.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:46:33.22
Oyvind
Yeah. ah So you you don't spend your, your, your own hard earned money, you know, so to speak.
00:46:38.74
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:46:39.67
Adz
Yeah.
00:46:40.16
Oyvind
um Yeah. So, so a little bit of that, I think, uh, you know, it's good. Like more people were in the ecosystem, ah the better.
00:46:51.19
Oyvind
So yeah, definitely think about how much money are you're spending, keep track of it. Otherwise, you know, it it just gets really, yeah.
00:46:58.49
Adz
Yep.
00:46:59.99
Russell Gibson
How do you keep track of it? to use the spreadsheet? Yeah, me too.
00:47:03.64
Oyvind
Yeah. I love spreadsheets. So that's what I use.
00:47:05.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:07.48
Oyvind
I have pretty much every card in a spreadsheet, you know, what I paid for it, what set it's from, et cetera. That's how I can track my sets.
00:47:14.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Right.
00:47:15.53
Adz
And that's all manual data entry stuff or?
00:47:19.50
Oyvind
Short answer is yes.
00:47:20.90
Russell Gibson
So every card you purchase, you've then put into the spreadsheet and yeah, right.
00:47:21.56
Oyvind
Yes.
00:47:24.80
Oyvind
Yep. And if it's from Comp C, it isn't as manual because I can download a sheet.
00:47:28.62
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:47:29.45
Adz
You can just download the, yeah, yeah.
00:47:30.52
Oyvind
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:47:32.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah, wow. Okay, and you're doing it...
00:47:33.08
Adz
But if you go into ah if you go into a break and you get a stack of cards, you just, they.
00:47:37.73
Oyvind
Well, if it's space that I'm going to throw away, then i don't do anything.
00:47:41.55
Adz
Yeah. Don't say throw away in front of Russell.
00:47:45.38
Oyvind
Well, actually, don't throw them away. i use them as padding when i ship out stuff.
00:47:48.67
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Same, same. Same, same. Russell wouldn't dare do that. That would be sacrilege.
00:47:54.06
Russell Gibson
No, I haven't... I'm not sure I have actually thrown away... I mean, I usually give the kids a basketball. That's my current, like...
00:47:59.68
Adz
That's, yeah, I like that.
00:47:59.89
Oyvind
Yeah, great.
00:48:01.07
Russell Gibson
That's my current way I'm getting rid of my mass base. I will admit that, you know, you get to a point where you're like, I've just got too many.
00:48:03.63
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:07.05
Oyvind
Yeah, so I don't enter those. like that It's just not worth my time. But anything that I might keep or sell, I'll enter.
00:48:12.58
Adz
What about Michael Redd? If you had like a Michael Redd to $199, would you inventory that? Yep. but you
00:48:17.08
Oyvind
Anything numbered, for sure.
00:48:17.67
Adz
inventory that yep
00:48:18.73
Oyvind
Yeah, for sure.
00:48:18.94
Adz
okay
00:48:19.82
Russell Gibson
um What about advice for people on running auctions? Because you and Joel Pettigrew, in my opinion, just do like legendary. You put up pretty decent cards sometimes. You put up pretty average cards sometimes, but you just keep putting them up and you store them for people and then you can bulk post them out.
00:48:30.25
Oyvind
yeah
00:48:34.74
Russell Gibson
It's it's really good. Yeah.
00:48:36.26
Oyvind
Yeah, you know, mix of mix of quality of the cards that we put up, you know, whatever is on hand, really.
00:48:39.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:48:41.06
Oyvind
And some of them...
00:48:42.34
Russell Gibson
But sometimes you put up bangers. Like that's the other thing too. It's not all just like, yeah, yeah.
00:48:45.49
Adz
yeah
00:48:45.62
Oyvind
Right. ah Some of those cards I bought for perhaps perhaps and I was going to chase that set and then I changed my mind because, you know, have 100 sets already underway.
00:48:57.53
Oyvind
And so I'll sell those off. Or, you know, might cards from a break um that I...
00:49:02.07
Adz
yeah
00:49:03.48
Oyvind
Actually, going to breaks, just quickly on that, um it can be expensive, but obviously fun.
00:49:05.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:10.06
Oyvind
ah The good thing for me, because I don't chase a particular player, i can just use it as a way to get you know random cards into my hand and have a look at so that I can see them and decide, OK, yeah, this is nice.
00:49:19.57
Adz
Yeah.
00:49:19.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Right.
00:49:23.68
Russell Gibson
Do you know, I actually didn't know that about you and that makes a lot of sense about like how you do go from team to team that actually it's obvious, isn't it?
00:49:23.87
Oyvind
Right.
00:49:28.88
Oyvind
Yeah. yeah
00:49:31.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:32.45
Oyvind
Yeah, so that's why i don't go for the same team every time. um might have a look at the checklist and see,
00:49:36.18
Adz
and Interesting. thing
00:49:37.30
Russell Gibson
I was going to say, I thought, i just assumed you looked at the checklist and you worked out where the angles were.
00:49:37.69
Adz
Yeah.
00:49:40.24
Oyvind
yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:41.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:42.45
Oyvind
Like this product has a nice Cleveland card or whatever, know, what it might be.
00:49:42.82
Adz
Hmm.
00:49:48.17
Adz
Yeah.
00:49:48.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:49.41
Oyvind
might go for that, but, you know, i don't have to go for the high value team every time. Yeah.
00:49:55.19
Adz
Interesting.
00:49:56.15
Oyvind
So that's how I go into breaks and and how that works for me, what I
00:50:00.72
Russell Gibson
Great. Any final thoughts you wanted to chuck in?
00:50:04.67
Oyvind
um I don't know. Have we covered, yeah, auctions, sales? Yeah. um It's pretty good, I think.
00:50:11.26
Russell Gibson
Great.
00:50:14.10
Russell Gibson
No, look, honestly, thanks for sharing that. And I think congratulations on your set. Cause I think that's, it's a really big deal. And then I'm going to put up your pictures onto social so everyone can see it and I'll, I'll tag in your Instagram and everyone can, yeah, basically just check it out because, um, yeah.
00:50:21.08
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:50:27.33
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:50:29.83
Oyvind
Sounds good. I do put up my my completed sets and the underway sets on on Blowout on the forum there. So I kind of every three months or so, I'll kind of and update with with pictures of sets that are underway and stuff.
00:50:44.70
Oyvind
So that's where I kind of keep track of all that sort of stuff with pictures and everything.
00:50:48.98
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:50:50.12
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:50:50.97
Russell Gibson
Cool. All right. We've, we probably should go to a break because we've technically missed one today and we'll come back for the last 10 minutes or so and we'll just do some random topics.
00:50:58.45
Adz
Yeah, you've
00:51:10.75
Russell Gibson
And we are back. How are you doing lads? Are you feeling refreshed?
00:51:14.61
Adz
ready Ready for the final stretch. Very ready for the final stretch.
00:51:16.43
Russell Gibson
That's it. Alrighty. This is called random topics. I don't think we're going to get through them all, but let's, let's see what we can do.
00:51:23.73
Adz
Knowing my way of segueing, there's no way we're getting through it.
00:51:23.82
Russell Gibson
ah
00:51:24.43
Oyvind
There was a blip that was put on the sports cards and they were talking about the PC board.
00:51:26.64
Russell Gibson
There was a random clip that was put onto Sports Cards andno so Nonsense and now talking about the PSA vault buying back. I went onto their website to read about it and actually this is something that's been going on for a while.
00:51:38.86
Russell Gibson
But I just kind of feel like either it's a bit more established and now more people are talking about it. But basically what the deal is, so just say you you buy a card off eBay and you automatically send it to the PSA vault.
00:51:48.59
Adz
Yep.
00:51:50.69
Russell Gibson
So that's something that you've been able to do for a while or you... grade a card and you then put it to the PSA vault, people can now make you offers on those cards almost automatically. So then you'll receive an inbox and say, I'm offering you $100 for this PSA 9 Jordan, whatever it is.
00:52:11.53
Adz
Okay.
00:52:11.86
Russell Gibson
But now eBay is also getting on the action and they're offering people comps and sometimes above comps. And so eBay's play on this or how they're making money out of it.
00:52:22.65
Russell Gibson
They've got a reciprocal deal with like very large repackers who are then buying all this inventory back in.
00:52:28.14
Adz
Mmm.
00:52:30.20
Russell Gibson
And it's an interesting little twist because... I think as Panini has sort of declined the last 12 months, like with them not having all the autographs and then tops don't have official licensed product.
00:52:43.55
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:44.08
Russell Gibson
It does seem like there's a little bit of a vacuum that is being filled up by repackers. And there's sort of a, you know, a few stories around going around about that.
00:52:48.86
Adz
did Yeah.
00:52:52.42
Russell Gibson
And so, look, I just wanted to talk to you guys about this and say, you know, where are you at with this? You know, do you think this is healthy? Do you think it's good? I personally think this is fantastic. The only thing where I think it can be or could be manipulated is similar to what happened with Veriswap.
00:53:06.01
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:53:12.06
Russell Gibson
So people were sending in dodgy cards to it.
00:53:12.54
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:15.08
Russell Gibson
And because there's no one actually, i need to be very careful like the way I say this, but there's no one essentially checking what's what.
00:53:18.05
Adz
Vetting it.
00:53:24.75
Russell Gibson
They're making sure that the transaction happens safely but there's not that sort of in-between person actually looking and you know and verifying the card.
00:53:33.42
Adz
The oversight that normally yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:34.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:34.97
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:53:35.33
Russell Gibson
And so I wonder if, yes, this is a fantastic system and you can see how everyone would then profit, but like hypothetically what that could then create is like Scammer over here sends a card into PSA or to eBay and it gets sold, it then goes to PSA Vault,
00:53:35.85
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:53:48.55
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:52.60
Russell Gibson
who then no one looks at it, a repacker buys it, puts it into a random pack, buys it onto a feed, sells it and posts it out to the person.
00:53:59.25
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:01.13
Russell Gibson
So it's essentially gone through like six different people's hands and ends up in some poor bastard's hand at the end of it out of a repack. Like that to me, that's a scenario in my head that could happen.
00:54:11.40
Oyvind
That's a scenario that could happen.
00:54:11.57
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:13.06
Russell Gibson
And I don't think that's like even a conspiracy theory.
00:54:13.80
Oyvind
I don't think that's even a conspiracy theory.
00:54:15.90
Russell Gibson
So yeah. Look, I actually think these are really, really good things for the hobby.
00:54:19.16
Oyvind
I actually think these are really, really good things for the hobby.
00:54:21.66
Russell Gibson
And i and by the way, I'm not throwing a shade at Veriswap.
00:54:22.95
Oyvind
And by the way, not throwing shade of various ones.
00:54:24.95
Russell Gibson
I think we've had him on the show.
00:54:25.33
Oyvind
I think we've had him on the show.
00:54:26.01
Adz
No, no, no, not at all. Yeah.
00:54:27.82
Russell Gibson
I've reached out to him, you know, again, for comment about what's happening.
00:54:27.97
Oyvind
I've reached out to him again to comment about what's
00:54:30.54
Russell Gibson
And I really hope that they just work it out because I think if Veriswap goes away, that's bad for the hobby.
00:54:38.17
Oyvind
That's bad for the hobby.
00:54:38.67
Russell Gibson
That's not a good thing.
00:54:39.71
Oyvind
That's not good thing.
00:54:40.29
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.
00:54:40.32
Adz
Yeah. a great a Agreed. Agreed.
00:54:41.47
Oyvind
I put this in the same category.
00:54:41.69
Russell Gibson
And I put this into the same category. i just hope that it's there's something in place to sort of
00:54:43.57
Oyvind
I just hope that there's something in place sort of steal the words you're at.
00:54:46.88
Russell Gibson
I'm going to steal your words here, Adam, but regulate the hobby.
00:54:49.64
Adz
Well, i was going to say, it seems like the the hobby is actually crying out for certain controls because it's being exposed in certain areas.
00:54:50.14
Oyvind
Well, I was going to say, it seems like the hobby is actually crying out for certain controls because it's being exposed to certain hearings.
00:54:57.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:54:58.22
Oyvind
And that drives the focus to where the attention is.
00:54:58.81
Adz
and and And that just drives the focus to where the attention is needed.
00:55:02.57
Oyvind
I think as there's more planning, people are going to try to look for ways you know, those people
00:55:03.07
Russell Gibson
I think as there's more money, you know, people are going to try and look for ways to, you know, mess people over.
00:55:03.43
Adz
ah And yeah.
00:55:07.75
Russell Gibson
i think that's, you know, it's easy to say that.
00:55:08.13
Adz
hu
00:55:10.43
Adz
Of course.
00:55:10.47
Oyvind
Yeah, and then hopefully that brings along you know some regulation, some sort of regulation, right?
00:55:14.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:55:14.89
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:55:15.37
Oyvind
Because they're not going to be spending that money for long if if they find out that they're not getting what they paid for.
00:55:19.78
Adz
If it's not a safe, if it's not a safe space to transact, people will eventually move away from it, right?
00:55:23.52
Oyvind
Yeah,
00:55:27.31
Oyvind
yeah for sure.
00:55:27.39
Adz
So
00:55:27.80
Oyvind
Yeah.
00:55:28.79
Russell Gibson
Malik Beasley is no longer a target of the federal gambling investigation conducted by the Eastern District of New York. That comes from at the score on Instagram. I, I am, i I mean, I need to eat, I need to apologize.
00:55:38.78
Oyvind
I mean, need apologize. can't believe that he didn't get into
00:55:41.73
Russell Gibson
i also need to eat a bit of humble pie on this. I can't believe that he, he didn't get put in prison.
00:55:44.64
Oyvind
Like, the cliffs that were put together on this guy was outrageous.
00:55:47.16
Russell Gibson
Like the, the clips that were put together on this guy, um,
00:55:49.89
Oyvind
I mean, how do you explain that if they can't prove it?
00:55:52.99
Russell Gibson
It was outrageous.
00:55:53.39
Adz
yeah
00:55:53.67
Russell Gibson
I mean, how do you explain that you know if if they can't prove it?
00:55:54.17
Adz
yeah
00:55:54.95
Oyvind
I mean, there's a difference between having suspicions of somebody and proving it in a court of law.
00:55:57.35
Russell Gibson
I mean, there is a difference between having suspicions of somebody and you know proving it in a court of law.
00:56:03.76
Adz
That's true.
00:56:04.09
Oyvind
That's true.
00:56:04.45
Russell Gibson
i was actually talking to someone about this over drinks and I'm like, there is no way the NBA didn't start regulated or legalized gambling on their product and not anticipate this was going to happen.
00:56:04.83
Oyvind
I was actually talking to someone this over drinks, and I'm like... There is no way the NBA didn't start regulated or legalized gambling on their product and not anticipate this was going out.
00:56:17.65
Adz
If they didn't, there's none there's no there's no way.
00:56:17.72
Russell Gibson
Like,
00:56:18.76
Oyvind
Yes, they did. There's no way.
00:56:19.69
Adz
You can't actually do that There's no way.
00:56:20.34
Oyvind
Michael Porter Jr.
00:56:21.32
Russell Gibson
No.
00:56:21.36
Oyvind
then goes on to the NBA this week and literally says, you can tell your homies that I'm going to come out of the game this week better if I'm done.
00:56:22.46
Russell Gibson
Michael Porter Jr. then goes onto social media this week and and literally says,
00:56:25.20
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:28.73
Adz
as an idiot
00:56:30.44
Russell Gibson
you can tell your homies that I'm going to come out of the game this week, bet on my under. And whilst I don't think that...
00:56:37.38
Oyvind
And whilst I don't think that, I think it's very poor timing in the sense that his brother is being killed.
00:56:39.14
Russell Gibson
I think it's very poor timing and in the sense that his brother has been kicked out of the league for doing it. like I think that. that I would also say, though, that what he said, actually don't think that's controversial.
00:56:45.18
Oyvind
would also say, though, that what he said, I actually don't think that's controversial.
00:56:49.16
Russell Gibson
I think that is common effing sense.
00:56:49.60
Oyvind
I think that is common in a sense.
00:56:51.42
Russell Gibson
like
00:56:53.29
Adz
yeah
00:56:53.56
Russell Gibson
And he's actually he's actually saying what people should be listening to in the sense that like that is the reality of the situation.
00:56:53.86
Oyvind
He's actually saying what people should be listening to. That the reality of the situation. You've people here coming from extreme.
00:57:01.24
Russell Gibson
You've got people here coming from extremely poor backgrounds,
00:57:05.17
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:05.26
Russell Gibson
And $10,000 is like, if you're on a minimum wage, what's that 20 weeks work?
00:57:08.38
Adz
Yeah, yeah. It's a 10 grand. Yeah, yeah. yeah Money's money, right?
00:57:13.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:57:14.57
Adz
It's...
00:57:14.71
Oyvind
He said a lot of weird stuff over the past few weeks, but that that was not yeah that was not bad.
00:57:17.30
Russell Gibson
We don't have time to cover all of it, but, but I thought, you know, most relevant, you know, and I, I think that's the thing that we should criticize Michael Porter Jr. The least about, like, I think that's just an honest conversation that, you know, probably needs to be had in this space and,
00:57:29.63
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:31.34
Russell Gibson
um Look, RIP, if you're a Michael Porter Jr. collector, though, I think his value is going to tank hard in Brooklyn. And if this is the sign of things to come, like, did you see, sorry, I'm going to, I am going to talk about one video.
00:57:41.22
Adz
I'd be betting on his unders in in Brooklyn, yeah.
00:57:43.66
Russell Gibson
Did you see about the one where they um possessed his car and what he said to the guy?
00:57:48.12
Adz
No?
00:57:48.18
Russell Gibson
he was basically trying to call him out as like a person of color.
00:57:48.61
Oyvind
no
00:57:50.98
Russell Gibson
And then the guy's like, I'm Hispanic. Like I'm not even African-American.
00:57:54.33
Adz
It's like, what's wrong with you? Yeah.
00:57:58.31
Russell Gibson
oh man. That was, a that was excellent.
00:57:59.61
Adz
It's so bad. It's so bad.
00:58:02.15
Russell Gibson
All right, we've still got a few more minutes. Nicola Jokic Sale. This is coming from our friends at Card Ladder. We have spoke about this guy in the past in terms of buying him and holding him long-term. I think this is another good example of this.
00:58:13.82
Russell Gibson
This is his immaculate RPA PSA 8. This last sold for 6,900. If you're looking at the all-time data on this, which I think this is what the graph is, it's showing it to us.
00:58:26.87
Russell Gibson
This is just a straight line up. I can't imagine it's going to continue like that, but at the same time, i think there is going to be some ongoing...
00:58:34.60
Oyvind
yeah Yeah, you can't see it dropping, right?
00:58:37.42
Russell Gibson
no I don't think it's going to drop, but I think that very sharp upward graph that we're seeing here, you know if that flattens out but still continues to go up, I would probably you know be anticipating that.
00:58:37.85
Oyvind
Hmm.
00:58:47.82
Russell Gibson
But look, I think that's a really good buy.
00:58:48.20
Oyvind
But think that's a really good line.
00:58:49.60
Adz
yeah
00:58:49.61
Russell Gibson
i think the the irony is for me is that I've been looking at some of these cards the last 12 months and that you could get a raw card of this, I feel like, for about $1,000.
00:58:50.36
Oyvind
I think the irony is for me is that if been looking some of these cards in the last sort of 12 months, that you can get raw card of this, I feel like, for about $1,000.
00:59:01.04
Russell Gibson
And so, look, maybe the market's changed again in the last sort of, you know, six months or so.
00:59:01.78
Oyvind
And so maybe the market's changed together in the last sort of six months so.
00:59:01.89
Adz
Okay.
00:59:05.65
Russell Gibson
But, you know, i just kind of feel like the irony is for me, you know a lot of these cards, particularly, you know, in the lower grades and raw, like they're not out of reach.
00:59:06.93
Oyvind
But, you know, I just kind of feel like the irony is for you know, a of these cards, particularly, you know, in the lower grades but they're out like
00:59:14.37
Russell Gibson
Like they're still, they're still very, you know, purchasable.
00:59:15.21
Adz
No, not at
00:59:18.03
Russell Gibson
So if you do believe in Jokic, you know, don't do a Russell. um
00:59:23.56
Adz
all.
00:59:25.15
Russell Gibson
Seize the day. and um yeah, yeah.
00:59:27.82
Adz
Seize the day indeed, hey.
00:59:30.09
Russell Gibson
um This next one is from ah Collect Media, CLLCT Media.
00:59:31.47
Oyvind
Next one is
00:59:37.46
Russell Gibson
it's a It's a clip of an interview with ken Ken Golden, but basically what he's saying is that it's unfair that Topps produce a card, issue or redemption
00:59:50.67
Adz
and then put a bounty on it.
00:59:52.42
Russell Gibson
and then have the first right of purchasing it from the person because they've got all the contact details and they can directly reach out to the person to list it onto their own platform.
01:00:03.02
Russell Gibson
So clearly Ken's conflict of interest here or his angle of interest is that he has an auction platform and he wants the card on that.
01:00:04.74
Adz
oh Oh,
01:00:12.06
Russell Gibson
So like let's keep it real here.
01:00:12.96
Adz
for sure.
01:00:13.53
Russell Gibson
This is what he's talking about here. um I think the the interesting conversation piece around this is that A lot of, it seems to me, a lot of fanatics business practices are around directly this.
01:00:21.45
Oyvind
It seems to be a lot of fanatics business practices are around directly. They're not interested in offering other people business.
01:00:26.84
Russell Gibson
They're not interested in offering other people business. They are trying to build their own distribution, their own production, their own auction house, their own, um you know, sales platform, you know, the whole thing.
01:00:30.87
Oyvind
They are trying to build their own distribution, their own production.
01:00:34.48
Adz
To building a one-stop shop.
01:00:34.91
Oyvind
They're really a one-stop shop. Their own auction house, their own sales platform, the whole thing.
01:00:41.60
Russell Gibson
Like they want to do breaks even.
01:00:42.08
Oyvind
They want to do breaks even.
01:00:44.64
Adz
Ethically, if we're talking about regulating the hobby, is it fair though?
01:00:45.00
Oyvind
Ethically, we're talking about regulating the hobby.
01:00:45.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:47.44
Oyvind
Is it fair though?
01:00:47.78
Adz
Like, I mean, we I know Ken Golden's got enough money and he can go and get stuffed with regards to how he feels about it all, but as a community.
01:00:48.44
Oyvind
know Ken Gold has got enough money in it.
01:00:52.78
Russell Gibson
Well, so whether it's fair or not, I don't know.
01:00:55.03
Adz
Yeah.
01:00:56.55
Russell Gibson
But and to answer that question specifically, I can actually answer this.
01:00:56.73
Oyvind
I don't know who to answer that question. I can actually answer this.
01:00:58.94
Russell Gibson
I feel like really, really well.
01:00:59.71
Oyvind
I feel really, really well.
01:01:00.10
Russell Gibson
This is the difference between Panini and Fanatics, right?
01:01:01.05
Oyvind
This is the difference between P and that.
01:01:03.22
Russell Gibson
Panini, what they did was they let everybody eat.
01:01:03.27
Adz
Yeah.
01:01:03.99
Oyvind
What they did was they let everybody in.
01:01:06.24
Russell Gibson
They let distribution eat.
01:01:06.65
Oyvind
They let distribution in.
01:01:07.48
Russell Gibson
They let breakers eat.
01:01:07.95
Oyvind
They let breakers in.
01:01:08.56
Russell Gibson
They let Steel City.
01:01:09.23
Oyvind
They let steel city.
01:01:09.76
Russell Gibson
They let... um David Adams eat.
01:01:11.57
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody.
01:01:12.05
Oyvind
They let card shop owners in.
01:01:12.65
Russell Gibson
They let card shop owners eat.
01:01:12.72
Adz
Yep.
01:01:13.86
Oyvind
The whole thing. They didn't have a best interest in like selling orders to get allegations.
01:01:14.58
Russell Gibson
The whole thing, right? And they didn't have a vested interest in like selling people top loaders to get allocation and all this like nonsense that they're doing.
01:01:17.71
Adz
Everybody eats. Yep. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:22.26
Oyvind
Whereas these guys, it's like
01:01:22.92
Adz
Yep.
01:01:23.27
Russell Gibson
Whereas these guys, it's like I'm really interested to see how other people are going to be able to eat in the hobby. So for example, the classic example for me, and I i think this is what I would like to probably talk to you guys about right now is let's think about our friends at Fastbreak.
01:01:35.45
Adz
Yep.
01:01:39.41
Adz
Yep.
01:01:41.48
Russell Gibson
I think it's fair to say that hobby shops are heavily reliant on allocation of stock to make them have like a viable business.
01:01:49.72
Adz
Yep.
01:01:50.08
Russell Gibson
How is fanatics going to make
01:01:56.13
Russell Gibson
Alvaro and John have a viable business?
01:02:00.32
Adz
Yep.
01:02:00.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:02:01.69
Adz
It makes sense.
01:02:02.99
Russell Gibson
How do you think, do you think that they're going to do that for other hobby shops, you know, give them a viable existence? Yeah.
01:02:09.19
Adz
I think of the shop shops will have to pull play by their rules. I guess it would be the the simple way of calling it.
01:02:15.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:17.15
Adz
Um, I don't know what those rules look like. And I don't know if those rules are fair and reasonable, but I do know if you don't play, you're out.
01:02:25.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:02:26.53
Oyvind
yeah they're not very subtle
01:02:26.80
Russell Gibson
and yeah That's it.
01:02:28.17
Oyvind
so far
01:02:29.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:02:29.96
Adz
That's the scary part of it. I do like a lot of the innovation. I do like a lot of what I'm seeing coming out of it, but oh, the way they're executing is concerning me.
01:02:41.82
Russell Gibson
Definitely very aggressive. Oivin, you got any thoughts on this man?
01:02:44.70
Oyvind
No, just just exactly that. like yeah They want to control everything, it seems. And yeah, some some concerns, I think, about um how they're going to go about things and how they're going to treat trade people who who disagree and they're just going to cut them out, probably.
01:02:49.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:02:49.49
Adz
ah
01:02:57.20
Adz
Yeah.
01:03:01.23
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, definitely.
01:03:02.03
Adz
Yeah. And it's, um it is very, yeah. Yeah. yeah You're the with us or against us kind of deal.
01:03:10.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:11.01
Adz
There's no, there's room for everybody kind of feeling about that. It's yeah. Yeah.
01:03:20.36
Russell Gibson
um This next one is from the At The Dunk Central. So not Centel Central. I double-checked that before I read it out. Matt Ishba, so he is um the owner of the Phoenix Suns, calls out NBA experts for sleeping on the Suns next season.
01:03:36.23
Oyvind
next season. I'm not worried about what the so-called experts are.
01:03:36.91
Russell Gibson
I'm not worried about this so what the so-called experts think. They had us as a title contender the past two years and were wrong then.
01:03:40.61
Oyvind
They had us as a title contender the past two years. And we're rocked there.
01:03:49.15
Russell Gibson
I think now's a really good time just to recap the Phoenix Suns roster.
01:03:50.25
Oyvind
So I think now's really good time to reiterate something. So they're at the point guard and shooting up.
01:03:54.03
Russell Gibson
So they're absolutely loaded at the point guard and shooting guard position. They've got Grayson Allen, Devin Booker, Dylan Brooks. um They picked up Jalen Green. So I have no idea what their rotation is going to look like.
01:04:07.28
Adz
They're reinventing small bowl.
01:04:08.98
Russell Gibson
After that, who have they got? Jordan Goodwin. Yeah, they're going to be like Phoenix Suns. um Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson 2.0. I don't know.
01:04:21.34
Russell Gibson
Who knows what they're doing?
01:04:22.01
Oyvind
With the worst players, unfortunately.
01:04:23.27
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
01:04:23.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. Royce O'Neal, Nick Richards, Mark Williams.
01:04:25.12
Adz
Yeah.
01:04:26.85
Russell Gibson
like What are they doing? This is so fast.
01:04:29.24
Oyvind
That went south so quick.
01:04:31.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I mean, if you can bet on an under.
01:04:32.25
Oyvind
It was only a few years ago.
01:04:33.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:34.43
Oyvind
Yeah, only a few years ago. They were right there.
01:04:37.08
Russell Gibson
They managed to the finals, right?
01:04:37.34
Oyvind
or Yeah.
01:04:38.89
Adz
Yeah.
01:04:38.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:40.67
Oyvind
yeah i'm I'm glad I'm not a Suns fan at the moment.
01:04:42.78
Russell Gibson
It's painful.
01:04:43.57
Adz
It's pretty crazy. It's actually, yeah, it's insane.
01:04:46.64
Russell Gibson
ah Ralph Sampson, this is a quote from, again, from Central, not Centell. Ralph Sampson says he would average 30 and 20 in today's NBA. I could have played in this era for sure and would probably dominate the game more than I dominated the game in the past. 30 and 20, easy.
01:05:01.85
Russell Gibson
They say I'm Wemby the first, he's Wemby the second, but I'm Ralph the first, he's Ralph the second.
01:05:10.84
Russell Gibson
I could post up, I could dribble, and I could shoot outside. We didn't shoot many threes when I played, but I'm sure my mindset would have been really tough to play, and I'd be elite but level at this game.
01:05:22.33
Adz
um I think whatever drugs they've got him on in the nursing home, they need to maybe get him off them for a little bit but before they let him speak with the media.
01:05:25.86
Oyvind
Thank you.
01:05:33.01
Oyvind
This comparing errors is really, really hard, right?
01:05:36.20
Russell Gibson
It's hard. It's really hard.
01:05:37.27
Adz
It is, it is.
01:05:38.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:38.27
Oyvind
It's really hard.
01:05:38.43
Adz
that is
01:05:39.55
Oyvind
ah You can't do it without sort of, you you can't just take Ralph Sampson then and put him now because it's a different game. you know he's Physically, people are different. like Things have changed, and it's not fair either way, like going back or forwards to make a like a straight comparison.
01:05:53.85
Adz
Yeah.
01:05:59.82
Oyvind
Yeah, if he grew up now, he would be a completely different person and a different player.
01:06:04.35
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:04.44
Oyvind
And he might well dominate. There's no way to say...
01:06:08.07
Russell Gibson
Look, I've actually watched my fair share of Ralph Samson because I was team fan. So like for me, I kind of feel like I can chime in on this.
01:06:12.66
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:15.77
Russell Gibson
i I think he was a better athlete than Wemby, but I don't think he was more skilled in terms of like fundamentals, in terms of like um passing from the high post and fluidity of his jump shot and also his three ball.
01:06:20.88
Adz
Okay.
01:06:26.95
Adz
and Okay.
01:06:33.58
Russell Gibson
ah Look, I think Samson probably could have like added that to his game
01:06:36.71
Adz
oh
01:06:37.55
Russell Gibson
um with a current context.
01:06:38.16
Oyvind
with current context.
01:06:39.09
Russell Gibson
Like I get what he's saying on that. And I probably do agree with it, but I do think maybe the difference here is Samson's defensive impact was um that, that front quarter for Keem and Samson was like insane.
01:06:53.71
Russell Gibson
And to score in the paint against those guys was like, you know, I don't think that Wemby has that same sort of um intensity in the paint that Samson did. And,
01:07:05.87
Russell Gibson
and Maybe also, too, being paired up with Hakeem, I suppose. That might have changed my opinion a little bit.
01:07:10.60
Oyvind
helps.
01:07:11.57
Russell Gibson
But, yeah, I'm not too sure about this guy.
01:07:12.00
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:14.03
Russell Gibson
I think it would be funny, though, if there was like a like someone actually took this up as a joke and then you could get a Wemby jersey that said Ralph II on the back. Yeah.
01:07:23.94
Adz
Asking him to custom sign something.
01:07:25.01
Russell Gibson
That's a deep cut, though, it?
01:07:25.90
Adz
Yeah.
01:07:26.17
Russell Gibson
I feel like that's like you know that's a total light nerd thing. All right, Jordan to close. This is a huge, huge cut. Again, this is from the real guy, and this is probably not the best. um Here we go. If you watch the the clip for a couple of seconds, we can actually pause on it. It's the molten metal card.
01:07:42.60
Russell Gibson
We've actually discussed this card in the past before. So this is literally the card that has got the holes drilled into it, and then also the numbers like physically cut out of the card. This is going up for auction.
01:07:54.22
Adz
Molten Metal, Fusion Titanium, Michael Jordan.
01:07:54.40
Oyvind
Yeah, pretty sure that's what the is.
01:07:55.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure that's what the upset of this the upshot of this video is.
01:07:56.74
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
01:08:01.98
Russell Gibson
So I think we should probably track this card too because, yeah, super, super, super rare, these cards. It sold for $180,000 in May And I think the other thing that he was pointing out to in this video is that we froth over PMGs, but actually this is much rarer than a PMG in terms of like total population count.
01:08:21.33
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
01:08:22.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:08:25.98
Russell Gibson
Boys, we we've made it to the end.
01:08:29.60
Adz
We did! Successfully!
01:08:34.01
Russell Gibson
Thank you.
01:08:34.18
Oyvind
Thank you. Yeah, thank you.
01:08:34.91
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Oivind. Thank you for coming on, mate.
01:08:36.57
Adz
Actually, i but as a closing thought, I just need to, if if someone is looking for guidance, what would be your top three things to to convey or or educate a new collector, someone that's coming in to collect sets?
01:08:36.64
Oyvind
Thanks for having
01:08:37.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:08:40.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:08:54.06
Adz
What's the top three things to focus on?
01:08:54.43
Oyvind
take a select
01:08:55.70
Adz
Yep.
01:08:56.08
Oyvind
to collect sets. Yeah, I'd definitely start with something cheap and low end just to to get your footing, right?
01:08:57.24
Adz
Yep.
01:09:02.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:09:02.63
Adz
Yep.
01:09:02.68
Oyvind
Figure out where to buy, um how much money costs, you know, because things aren't necessarily obvious.
01:09:02.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:09:04.27
Adz
yeah
01:09:06.77
Adz
Yep.
01:09:09.12
Oyvind
You've got shipping and if you're buying in the US, you might have storage costs or, know, various things, right? So definitely sort of easier way into it.
01:09:15.32
Adz
Of course.
01:09:18.06
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:09:18.14
Oyvind
That would be the the main thing.
01:09:20.50
Adz
Yep.
01:09:20.75
Oyvind
Otherwise, you know, ah don't be afraid to reach out to people. There's a bunch of of good people around. Australia has a pretty good community.
01:09:27.04
Adz
Yep.
01:09:28.95
Oyvind
um So get onto the the pages and and chat to people. I think a lot of people are happy to to talk and share their experiences.
01:09:35.34
Adz
Yep.
01:09:36.51
Oyvind
I think that's that's really valuable. Yeah. those ah Those are probably the the main things that come to mind.
01:09:42.66
Adz
And as far as budget goes, like pat budget, i guess budget or patience, like have a, do you have a schedule?
01:09:45.16
Oyvind
As far as budget goes, Oh, yeah. ah yeah um Well, I was going to mention this before, like, depending on what you collect, if you collect lower end stuff, just be patient, like don't jump in, certainly not after release, like just hang on and collect it the year after even because the the prices are going to come down for those unless you're, you there might be no.
01:09:58.64
Adz
Yeah.
01:10:02.10
Adz
Yeah.
01:10:05.97
Adz
Yeah.
01:10:09.19
Adz
You don't need 300 cards in 100 days kind of thing. it's It's a marathon, not a sprint.
01:10:14.47
Oyvind
That's right. That's right.
01:10:15.12
Adz
Yep.
01:10:15.60
Oyvind
um If it's something rare, well, if you're starting out, I would say stay away. if...
01:10:20.43
Adz
Stay away from the big set chase. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:22.02
Oyvind
If you've been in the game and you have money and you want to do rare collecting, set collecting or rare collecting cards in general, you pretty much have to go straight away after the product's released because otherwise they those cards will disappear into people's PCs and they won't surface very much at all.
01:10:22.68
Adz
Here
01:10:35.84
Adz
it goes.
01:10:39.67
Oyvind
So if you're going for something rare, go go hard and and fast, but otherwise just take your time.
01:10:40.38
Adz
Yeah, okay.
01:10:45.31
Adz
Yeah. Excellent. Yeah, i had ah i had my experience with set collecting this year, I guess, with AFL. So I collected all the insert sets after the base set.
01:10:56.91
Adz
ah All the simple, the lower end stuff, but it was buying bulk lots and going through things and then searching for individual cards.
01:10:57.17
Oyvind
Nice.
01:11:03.34
Adz
And because it's AFL and it's localized, it's actually harder to get the individuals, but...
01:11:06.07
Oyvind
Yes.
01:11:09.46
Adz
Yeah, it was an interesting experience and now I have three folders full of football cards.
01:11:09.77
Oyvind
Yep, for sure.
01:11:16.02
Oyvind
That's nice. Nice.
01:11:16.53
Adz
Yeah. I think I'll move to basketball though. I think I can be more patient. Three months of football madness was um enough for me.
01:11:26.11
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, boys. Thank you so much. Thanks everyone for tuning in.
01:11:28.01
Adz
Thanks, Oven. Thanks. Yeah, that welcome back, Russell.
01:11:29.94
Oyvind
Thanks so much.
01:11:33.17
Russell Gibson
I'm not that happy to be home.
01:11:34.17
Adz
Next time you go on holidays, we're hijacking the pot as well.
01:11:34.71
Oyvind
Thank you.
01:11:35.53
Russell Gibson
Bali was pretty great. I'm not going lie to you.
01:11:37.69
Adz
Sorry. Andrew and Dan are keen to to hijack the pod whenever you disappear. See
01:11:46.00
Russell Gibson
See everybody.
01:11:46.78
Adz
say you guys.
01:11:47.62
Oyvind
thank you