You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 234: Caitlin Clark Injury, Kawhi’s Contract Controversy & All-Time Card Talk
In this week’s episode of You Can’t Comp This, Russell and Adz cover a huge mix of hobby stories and NBA news.
We start with Caitlin Clark’s season-ending injury and what it means for her card values, the WNBA market, and the collectors who’ve invested big. From Prism silvers to $35K RPAs, are buyers about to get burnt?
Then it’s onto Kawhi Leonard and the under-the-table contract speculation that has echoes of the Joe Smith scandal in Minnesota. Salary cap circumvention, fake carbon companies, and whether the Clippers could face massive penalties — it’s all on the table.
The boys also dive into “All-Time Cards,” including Kobe’s iconic 2008 Topps Chrome guarded by LeBron, and discuss whether now is the right time to buy Kobe, Steph, and other legends.
Packed with comps, opinions, and plenty of laughs, this episode checks the pulse of the hobby and looks ahead to what’s next.
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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 233 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your host Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson.
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Adz
It's just us this week.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
um'm I'm not bringing any randoms in. We're not having any guests. It's just back to us.
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Russell Gibson
Which is nice.
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Adz
It is. It is. i mean, I felt like I hijacked the whole pod for that for that three-parter, and that's why i had to put the bonus episode up.
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Russell Gibson
It's good to have some guests on.
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Adz
so
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Russell Gibson
I wasn't going to say anything, but you kind of did.
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Adz
I did. it did. It was like I hijacked it for a three-part series.
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Russell Gibson
i mean, you do realize it costs us per minute to put stuff up, right? Like, who's paying for this? And you just, what was your last episode? An hour and 45?
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Adz
and out of forty Hour 45. It was a long one, too.
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Russell Gibson
I wasn't going to say anything, but now you've brought it up.
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Adz
It's a good listen, though.
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Russell Gibson
You're costing us money, mate.
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Adz
Oh, look, I don't know.
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Russell Gibson
We're going to need more sponsorship.
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Adz
We need more people to click links and share.
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Russell Gibson
We need you to get out in the street to shake a can asking for more money for sponsor like for minutes on the.
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Adz
I could do that. do that. Just be.
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Russell Gibson
What a prop that was. Fantastic. What was that? Chewing gum in a container?
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Adz
Yeah, that's like just mid breath mints.
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Russell Gibson
Nice.
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Adz
Rattle them up. Oh, goodness. All right.
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Russell Gibson
Hello everybody, hope you're all very well today and to all you fathers out there, happy Father's Day. We are recording on Sunday, which would be Father's Day. i had a wonderful day. Breakfast in bed, which was Froot Loops and a ah piece of bread that they called Toast.
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Adz
That's...
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Russell Gibson
One half had Vegemite on it and one half had a very thick layer of butter on it. i was kind of like, do I scrape the butter off to kind of like save my heart?
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Adz
Well, at least... Fold it.
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Russell Gibson
No, no, it was presented to me in, no, it was presented two pieces and it was explained to me need to eat one first and then the other.
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Adz
Eat as one sandwich.
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Russell Gibson
It was an interesting breakfast.
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Adz
At least they were both kind of savoury rather than like... jam or paint like chockers with Nutella and Vegemite and figure out which is which.
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Russell Gibson
I kind of feel like it's it's one of those things of like, you remember these breakfasts more than actually a good breakfast. You know i mean Like, yeah.
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Adz
Yep. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Like Fruit Loops, that's gourmet, man.
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Adz
So it's it's almost like a trauma bond, but.
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Russell Gibson
no
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Russell Gibson
No, I had a really good day and the kids went to a lot of effort.
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Adz
a Excellent.
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Russell Gibson
It was fun.
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Adz
That's awesome.
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Russell Gibson
um All right. Let's start talking about last week. So last week we had Oivind on. Again, thank you, Oivind, for coming on. It's not easy jumping onto an established pod and also with two other guys. so you did really well, mate.
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Russell Gibson
um One thing I just wanted to mention in terms of fact-checking from last week, we did a story about PSA vault, um, sending people automatic offers.
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Russell Gibson
And, and I was trying to link to it, how that you can buy things off eBay, send it to the PSA vault and then PSA can make you offers on those. But I think I had eBay on my mind or on my brain and I said it was eBay doing the offers, but yeah, just to fact check that.
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Russell Gibson
It's actually PSA that's doing the buying um and then working with the repackers.
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Adz
Yeah. Okay. That makes sense.
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Russell Gibson
So, yeah.
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Adz
So they grade it and then make an offer on it.
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Russell Gibson
I mean, you and Ivan didn't pull me up though. So it makes me wonder if you guys actually listen to me like crapping on, you know?
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Adz
I might have just tuned out at that point.
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Russell Gibson
It's very possible. Anyway, right, that's last week.
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Adz
I
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Russell Gibson
Let's start and dust it. Let's move on to this week. This week, we're going to talk about Caitlin Clark, Kawhi Leonard. I found some really cool all-time cards. PJ Washington got extended this week.
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Russell Gibson
We're going to do a pulse of the hobby.
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Adz
oh
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Russell Gibson
I've got a subheading for that.
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Adz
was going to say, we're gonna've we've got we got our medical equipment out. We're going to check the pulse of the hobby.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, realistically, that's that actually might get us to an hour. If we do get past that, we've got Ben Simmons, Rodman, KD versus Tatum, um some pop counts. Actually, that's a really good one, that pop counts one. We should probably, we might even do that next week and break it down properly.
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Adz
Nice.
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Russell Gibson
And of course, we've got a Jordan to close, so... Let's get started. Caitlin Clark, unfortunately, has been announced out for the rest of the year with a groin injury. i couldn't find anything like with, you know, really rock hard evidence about this, but it seems to me like it's kind of one of those injuries where you're better off to shut it down early.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Instead of risking it, maybe then it gets worse. Yeah.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
So yeah, I don't think this is like an ACL or, you know, something terrible like that, where it is, you know, going to be a 12 month injury. It seems to be more precautionary, but also at the same time too, I couldn't find a whole bunch of information on this.
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Russell Gibson
This was not reported by Centel, by the way, it was reported by ESPN, the source that I had on that. So i i kind of feel like after all of the hype that we've had in the last 12 months with Caitlin Clark, I think this is a really good time to sort of you know, take a breath.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Let's go through some Caitlin Clark purchases. Let's go through some of her, you know, her really big cards because obviously she's got all the Prism stuff, which is out, which, you know, has done fantastically.
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Russell Gibson
And then she's had all their autograph subsets.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And then they did that extremely high end product that was selling for like, like it's, it's insane. It was selling for $30,000 box. Yeah. ah box
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So that had the flawless in it, that had the downtowns, that had the kabooms in it. So, you know, I think we should, let's just sort of work our way through that a little bit. And this also might be one of the stories where we check back on this in a month and then two months and sort of just keep doing a price check on Caitlin Clark because,
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Russell Gibson
You know, I think for context on this, like she's outselling and NBA players at the moment.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
So her silver PSA 10, which is the one where it's the action shot, um she's spotting up to shoot like a corner three-pointer, it looks like to me. That's currently trading at $2,400. The all-time high that was $5,000. Like we're not talking...
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Russell Gibson
was five thousand bucks like it's we're not talking
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Adz
Yeah, this isn't this isn't like um small, this is not small cards.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So the last time that it sold for 2000, sorry, for 5,000 was in June of 25. So really, you know, that's not that long ago at all. And there's been two sales.
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Adz
It's only a couple of months ago. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. There's been two sales at that. If you zoom in, so I'm currently looking at the all time. If you zoom into the last three months, it's actually already down 30%. And that's pre her having her injury.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So, i mean, look,
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Adz
That just performance wise, is that, is is that just like a.
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Russell Gibson
So I think for me, that's more of a cycle issue where everything's really hot ah out of at the start. People are buying them up.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
There's a bit of trading going on. Look, there's been a few sales on these. It's not as many sales as you would imagine.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
I don't think there's anything to that other than, you know, people were buying them because it was really hot and they've moved on to the next thing, which is what flippers do.
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Adz
yeah yeah
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Russell Gibson
So if she's down 30% in the last three months, let's project on this. I think this could be a thousand dollar card easily by the time she comes back.
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Russell Gibson
And so, you know, that that's really interesting to me because...
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Adz
boom
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Russell Gibson
these are kind of the things you wait for sometimes and you take that opportunity and jump back in.
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Adz
I have ive over a question um with regards to, obviously, it's just a season that's that's over. It's not necessarily a career-ending injury.
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Adz
But but who ah there are there is there anybody waiting in the wings, so to speak, with the um with regards to holding up the WNBA?
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Russell Gibson
Definitely not. Absolutely. Definitely not.
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Adz
And i wasn't that wasn't a ah sneaky way to um to reference...
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Russell Gibson
Okay.
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Adz
um Paige, is it Bukas? ah but Is that you pronounce her surname?
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Russell Gibson
I get what you're saying. Yeah.
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Adz
Well, she's this year's number one draft pick, right?
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Russell Gibson
I get what you're saying 100%. Like, who are people going to tune in and watch to now that Caitlin Clark's ad?
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Adz
Mm-mm.
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Russell Gibson
Like, I think if we're being realistic, I think a lot of the the media deal that they got, all the increased ticket sales they had, particularly when it's like Indiana Fever games that are selling out they're moving to bigger stadiums, like that's easy to direct correlate that to Caitlin Clark.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
You know, I think like where I'm at with this and we probably need someone to come on from our WNBA group that I've got sort of cookie in the background and sort of give a bit more insight. But from my very basic WNBA perspective, it's like, obviously she's the most popular, but in terms of like pure talent, like the league losing one player isn't going to kill the whole league talent wise, because actually there's so much talent in that league.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
yeah
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Russell Gibson
And so I don't think it's going to be the death of the league or anything like that. But if you're talking about clicks, yeah, I think, you know, social media is going to go down.
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Adz
Sure.
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Russell Gibson
Yes. Overall popularity online, I think will go down, but then you've still got people like Angel Reese who, and I think she's a really funny one for me.
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Adz
She's entertaining.
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Russell Gibson
She's super entertaining and, you know, she says some crazy stuff and, you know, the way she plays out in the court, you know, definitely draws some sort of, from some ire from, you know, some online commentators, which I don't appreciate that, by the way, I'm not supporting that. I'm just more saying that it's there, but it's like,
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Adz
Yeah,
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Russell Gibson
she's not that talented as Caitlin Clark. So that I find that one such a dynamic one. It's like, I think she's, you know, all right.
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Adz
yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. It's tough.
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Russell Gibson
Anyway, let's, let's go back to Caitlin Clark and just break down a a couple more cards before we, you know, get too much off into a rabbit hole.
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Adz
Caitlin, yeah, yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
um The other one, the other easy one to talk about, obviously is her finger up silver rookie card. So the population on that is just 19. This is currently trading at 1650.
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Russell Gibson
you know Okay, so this is a fun one. Why don't we just do a quick comp? Would you rather buy the finger-up-pointing one for $1,000? So I'm prospecting this is going to go down. um Or would you rather buy the you know the more traditional one, which has a population of 50 on that, for $1,000?
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Adz
o
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Russell Gibson
And
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Russell Gibson
and which is going to be the more popular one moving into the future?
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Adz
Wait, the pointing up silver
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adz
or the other one? Well, the last sold on the silver, the pointing up is $16.50. sixteen fifty
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I'm just saying like, what if it went down to $1,000?
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Adz
i If they were both on parody, I'd still go for that i'd so i go for the OG one. I wouldn't go for the finger up.
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Russell Gibson
What do you... You don't call them the finger up the... Okay, yeah.
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Adz
That's an alternate, isn't it?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, they are.
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Adz
that's the That's the alternate. So I'd rather the one where she's actually catching and shooting.
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Russell Gibson
The action shot, yeah.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think the finger up where in my mind, I think that's a more iconic photograph though. Because if you think about like, if you think about the the Luca rookie card, like that was clearly a framed photo that they did.
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Adz
That's an interesting one.
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Russell Gibson
Like that wasn't a true action shot from a game.
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Russell Gibson
And that's a far more iconic card than, you know, any other sort of Luca card than I can think of off the top of my head.
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Adz
All right, i've got ah i've got ah an interesting little ah counterpoint for you.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, hit me, man.
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Adz
So the the pointing up Pulsar to $499 has dipped and is now $800.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
The $499 normal rookie is $1,200.
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Adz
That's a numbered card. Would normal rookie is twelve hundred
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Russell Gibson
yeah
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Adz
that's a numbered card would you would you
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. You think that's a pocket of value? Yeah.
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Adz
It might be a pocket of value. We've got pop counts of 20 and 30 on this.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Do you know what I mean? Like the silver, you don't know what the print run of the silver looks like. So pointing up all base, like I think that um that numbered, even if it is to 499, it still gives sort of a limit.
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Adz
So it might actually have some hidden value for Caitlin Clark.
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Russell Gibson
all right, we've got two more to talk about before we move on to our next topic. And I'm going to subheading this as people are going to get burnt, okay? So this next one is Signatures Red, Prism, numbered to 99 PSA 10. That sold for $5,400.
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Russell Gibson
And for a Prism autograph to go that high in the first place, like that to me is, that's absurd.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Like just straight away, Prism autograph should never go that high.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
If that gets resold in the future for $1,000, will be shocked. If it goes for less than $1,000, I won't be surprised on that at all. So yeah, that's chaos. um This is really interesting to talk to you about though.
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Russell Gibson
This is a National Treasures vertical RPA, numbered to five. So this is very low numbered. I will give you that. However, it did sell for $35,000 or just rounded it up.
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Adz
Who.
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Russell Gibson
ah just rounded it up
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Russell Gibson
Look, I mean, maybe that's the type of thing that you purchase that for 35K in case she's out for 12 months. That's fine.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
You hang on to it for two or three years. You're never going to short flip that anyway. But at the same time, like that for me is I think that's almost an instant money loser on that.
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Adz
New.
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Russell Gibson
You know, for that to, it's going to go down for them to come back and recover and sort of get your investment back.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I think some of this stuff is going to be, I think a lot of people are going to get, I think a lot of people are going to get hurt on this stuff.
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Adz
broughtught Fraught with danger.
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Russell Gibson
Honestly, i i think that's just really, really tricky.
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Adz
Yeah. yeah
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Russell Gibson
So her downtown PSA 10 sold for 11,000 ad. Like that's, I mean, that's just like the classic getting caught up in the hype train. We should have done this before she got injured.
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Adz
Yeah, I think it's, um yeah, it's not it's an interesting one, that's for sure.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
I don't know.
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Russell Gibson
All right.
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Adz
I have concerns about the hype.
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Russell Gibson
Final thoughts.
00:14:13.25
Adz
I have a concern about the the hype train that is the WNBA. And I think that we we need we need more we need more drivers on that train.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Okay. So we can actually, let's talk about one more WNBA card that I did find. I thought I'd chuck this in here. Speaking of our girl, Andrew Reese before, this is the one of one Kaboom, which is the beautiful green. That's all for 32,000.
00:14:35.74
Adz
there some That's some serious value in the hobby, though.
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Russell Gibson
I don't, yeah, I think it's overall good for the hobby. Like I think that's a very, you know, overall healthy thing. I actually don't have a problem with this just for the fact that it's a rookie card.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
It's a one of one and it's one of those cards that people chase.
00:14:49.64
Adz
Yeah. Yeah,
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Russell Gibson
You know, i think my only problem is it's WNBA. Like being perfectly honest with you.
00:14:57.17
Adz
yeah. yeah
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Russell Gibson
I think if that was Caitlin Clark, you know, that's different again. You know, she's the one who you would definitely be chasing for, but you know, I think Reese is going to be real tricky because i' was talking about talent before.
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Adz
Mm-mm.
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Russell Gibson
It's like, if she's washed out of the league in a couple of years, like once you sort of get past all that sort of bravado and stuff, like if she has an injury and loses her the athleticism she's currently got,
00:15:17.74
Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
the WNBA chews people out, man. Like there's some of their careers can be like really short. So yeah, it's a tough, it's a tough league to stick around.
00:15:24.26
Adz
True.
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Russell Gibson
All right. The next story we've got on the run sheet is, is quiet Leonard. Do we just introduce this and go to a break? We're already up to 15 minutes, man.
00:15:36.60
Adz
We could just go.
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Russell Gibson
All right.
00:15:37.06
Adz
We just have a break and then we'll then we'll get started.
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Russell Gibson
We'll come back and we'll do quiet Leonard.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:15:40.64
Adz
um but I've got to go to my second job. So I'm just going to quickly do that while we go to the break. And then I don't have to go. i was kidding. i I don't have to go. It's in the contract. I don't have to go to the job.
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Russell Gibson
That joke will make more sense when we come back after this commercial break. Thank you to our friends at ussportscardsaustralia.com.au for your ongoing love and support of our podcast. We appreciate you.
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Russell Gibson
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00:17:07.50
Russell Gibson
And we are back.
00:17:10.62
Russell Gibson
I thought you were trying to tell me you wanted to go for a wee wee. That's what I thought you were trying to say. yeah I'm used to having kids too much, man.
00:17:19.38
Russell Gibson
I thought you were trying to make a subtle, oh, um I'll be back in a minute.
00:17:23.29
Adz
funny?
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Russell Gibson
and so
00:17:23.99
Adz
Yeah, if the if the first ad break was like fast break trading cards, I'd be like, yeah, they've given me a job. I don't have to turn up, though.
00:17:32.43
Russell Gibson
All right. So, yeah, at this point in time, this is all pure conjecture.
00:17:37.74
Adz
Conjecture. There's a lot of speculation, a lot of...
00:17:38.80
Russell Gibson
So there's a lot of dot joining. So none of this is officially being released by the and NBA. So until they do their investigation and release results, all this is pure conjecture.
00:17:50.71
Adz
Yes.
00:17:51.51
Russell Gibson
Now the actual nuts and bolts of this is really easy to understand, but the actual true details of it, I will try my best to explain it to you and to the audience. And if I get something wrong, I'm not going to be surprised and please don't hold it against me.
00:18:05.66
Russell Gibson
If I do get something wrong, just tell me, via DM or on the post on the website this week and we'll we'll break it down again.
00:18:12.72
Adz
It'll be fine. It'll be fine.
00:18:14.25
Russell Gibson
All right.
00:18:14.58
Adz
we we can we can we could make correct We can make corrections next week.
00:18:14.65
Russell Gibson
So the easy nuts and bolts of this.
00:18:17.56
Adz
It'll be
00:18:19.20
Russell Gibson
A company goes broke. In the bankruptcy filings, it has all of the list of directors that were there. Steve Ballmer's name he is there. a strange subsidiary, which is KL2.
00:18:34.82
Russell Gibson
Listed under that list of directors under the KL2 company is Kawhi Leonard. So you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work this out.
00:18:41.54
Adz
Yeah.
00:18:43.87
Russell Gibson
KL being his initials and number two being his uniform. So they didn't even try and hide it. So clearly... You know, there's no true sort of like conspiracy in that type of sense.
00:18:52.94
Adz
Yeah.
00:18:53.42
Russell Gibson
um And it was a company that um basically offered carbon offset and and ways for companies to, you know, provide clean services to the industry, right?
00:19:06.16
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:19:07.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So his contract was for $28 million dollars plus another $20 million. dollars And it was a ah no-show contract. So you can get paid without actually attending business.
00:19:17.52
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:18.46
Russell Gibson
you know, this work. And so what people have now joined these dots together and said was actually it was salary for the Los Angeles Clippers.
00:19:19.80
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:26.15
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:27.32
Russell Gibson
And um it was money that was given under the table. So for reference point of this and how this is important is because so if we rewind back the clock to when the Minnesota Timberwolves got caught for this, and this is in my era.
00:19:41.87
Adz
yeah
00:19:41.92
Russell Gibson
So this is um my recollection of this team was it was Kevin Garnett. It was Joe Smith. um They had Sam Cassell, they had Latrell Sprewell, and as a result of them getting penalized and all the fines, they couldn't sort of retool their team enough and then ended up KG got traded to Boston where he then went on to win a championship.
00:20:03.94
Russell Gibson
So, you know, there are ramifications for this to happen.
00:20:04.44
Adz
Yeah.
00:20:06.66
Russell Gibson
So the Minnesota Timberwolves penalties was five first round picks and a $3.5 million dollars fine. And I kind of feel like in the time period that that was the equivalent these days of that will be like 20 million bucks.
00:20:21.42
Russell Gibson
Like the way that you know money's being currently indexed and also the more money that's being put into the NBA, I i just kind of feel like that's a more you know maybe relevant comp.
00:20:22.78
Adz
ya Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:27.38
Adz
no
00:20:31.32
Adz
yeahp
00:20:31.39
Russell Gibson
um smiths So Joe Smith, his most recent contract was voided and his bird rights were stripped away. So my recollection of the Joe Smith thing was like they they signed him away from um from Golden State Warriors.
00:20:45.60
Adz
yep Yeah.
00:20:45.64
Russell Gibson
And there was rules at the time that like, if you were, if you had bird rights with the team, you could sign them over the cap space. And so what they did was they signed him to three one year deals with the promise that on that fourth year, they would like make him whole and pay him back like basically a max contract.
00:21:01.87
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:03.61
Russell Gibson
So that's what that's talking about. um the owner was suspended and Kevin McHale, who was the general manager at the time, had to take a leave of absence. And I kind of remember this too, a little bit too, like they were saying that, oh, they were both suspended, but they still communicating with like, you know, other members of the board or whatever.
00:21:15.16
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:20.81
Russell Gibson
So, so that was 25 years ago. Yeah. So that thing about me saying 20 million bucks, maybe it's going to be 35 million.
00:21:27.65
Adz
could be, yeah.
00:21:27.81
Russell Gibson
Like realistically, like things 10 X in last 25 Yeah.
00:21:31.06
Adz
That's true.
00:21:31.82
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:21:31.88
Adz
Although i've got I've got a point from the the live chat. James Manns just said, Kawhi does does ah carbon offset by not playing most of the season.
00:21:35.96
Russell Gibson
G'day James.
00:21:39.87
Adz
Yeah.
00:21:41.29
Russell Gibson
i mean, the funny joke to sort of like add to that is like, they were already overpaying this guy, paying him but a max salary.
00:21:47.88
Adz
Does he realize that his NBA contract isn't the one where he's not he doesn't have to show up to?
00:21:55.18
Adz
is it Maybe he just gets confused.
00:21:56.68
Russell Gibson
That's fucked up. Yeah.
00:21:57.82
Adz
He's a simple man.
00:21:59.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:21:59.93
Adz
and Funny guy.
00:22:02.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's just wild. Anyway, okay, so the this is the part where I'm going to get wrong. So basically, this company that he was tied to, Aspire, they sponsored the LA Clippers.
00:22:11.10
Adz
Yes.
00:22:16.42
Adz
yes
00:22:17.41
Russell Gibson
And Barmer owned part of this company. So it was like he was sponsoring himself in some sort of weird way.
00:22:20.59
Adz
Yep. Yep.
00:22:24.63
Russell Gibson
And then it turned out actually the company wasn't delivering any services to anyone. And they were just collecting all these, you know, investors money and people who wanted to, you know, buy and and then, you know, nothing was delivered and the money just vanished into like the thin air.
00:22:33.70
Adz
Yeah.
00:22:40.40
Russell Gibson
So there was this whole sort of thing around, you know, Barmer got ripped off. The Clippers got ripped off.
00:22:46.80
Adz
Hmm.
00:22:47.59
Russell Gibson
Who knows if Kwai Linn had got paid or not out of, you know, after all this, like if all the money just disappeared, You know, who knows?
00:22:53.82
Adz
ah
00:22:54.41
Russell Gibson
So it's it's a really interesting one. Look, I think at this point in time, we We can talk more about this and I think we should, but at the same time, I also feel like too, we can talk about this next week and we might very well have, you know, very different information about it.
00:23:00.73
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:06.66
Adz
Updates.
00:23:07.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I also think too, the person who broke this story is very, very biased. So it's, I think it's called Pablo Torres who broke the story. Like listen to what he's got to say, but I would also say too, like, you know, read the stuff that Mark Cuban put up because he responded to it.
00:23:24.42
Adz
Yeah.
00:23:25.03
Russell Gibson
Obama said some stuff you know very lightly about this too. um Kevin O'Connor, was I feel like, was on the same team as Torres was.
00:23:35.67
Russell Gibson
you know like Whatever. i don't think I think it's just too early to really to pick a side on this.
00:23:36.75
Adz
Yeah. I think mark cuid i think mark Mark Cuban's trying to play the big busy business owner isn't going to get mixed up in the minor details.
00:23:50.44
Adz
Do know what mean? Like Cuban, cuban you go he's admitted there are things that happened in Dallas that he wasn't aware of. You know, like you don't know about every dotting every I and crossing every T. That's what you've got a team for.
00:24:06.22
Adz
Assistants, executives, et cetera. um And I appreciate one big business guy going into bat for another. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. i think there's going to be a lot of investigating and I ah think there's there's probably a lot more to the story than meets the eye.
00:24:27.68
Russell Gibson
I think like the, so if you read the Mark Cuban post, he sort of like lays it out a little bit. And I do agree with that. It's like, if you're trying to hide money from being like, let's, let's call it laundered for lack of a better word.
00:24:33.88
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:37.74
Adz
Yeah.
00:24:41.77
Russell Gibson
Why would you?
00:24:41.88
Adz
Well, we go through this rubbish in... We've been through this rubbish in local sport, like in the AFL locally, with players being given...
00:24:48.34
Russell Gibson
Well, i mean, look, I've got, I don't follow afl at all. So like you can tell an AFL story and I'll just sort of say, you like, I was just say yes, but like,
00:24:54.94
Adz
It is. It's like recruit a player give and it's like you get a sponsor is, and people that do follow AFL will know, Vizzy paper. It's just like, well, there it ma the the board of directors, one of the the chairman is on the on the board at Vizzy and has given this guy some extra cash by giving him a promotional role.
00:25:17.01
Adz
And it's a way to so so circumnavigate the salary cap.
00:25:20.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but hang on. Okay, so now that you brought that up, and I was actually just going to say to you, but how do you then differentiate pat team him getting money from Nike, which he might be getting 50 million bucks from them, or or Gatorade?
00:25:32.16
Adz
Is Barmer on the board at Nike?
00:25:36.28
Russell Gibson
Do you know what I'm trying to say, though?
00:25:37.43
Adz
don't know, but but if you're going to...
00:25:37.83
Russell Gibson
At the end of the day, like what's ah actually the difference?
00:25:40.62
Adz
So the difference is Nike will use him.
00:25:45.79
Adz
And what I mean by use him is they'll go check out this fun guy and make a mockery of his laugh, or they'll get him to wear some shoes and promote, and he'll have to go and sign some...
00:25:58.96
Russell Gibson
I was a bit slow on that, but yeah.
00:25:59.32
Adz
Correct. That's all right. That's all right.
00:26:00.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:01.78
Adz
but they'll actually, he will need to promote their products. That's what the deal, that's what an endorsement deal is with a shoe company that is promoting the Kawhi.
00:26:15.67
Adz
maybe they'll Maybe you'll get done by Catmundo or something, but they'll make gloves because he's a claw.
00:26:19.52
Russell Gibson
So there's enough of a conflict of interest here that you actually do think this is salary cap circumvention.
00:26:24.19
Adz
Yes, yeah. I think it's a load of crap and he didn't show up to work, just like he doesn't show up to work on the court.
00:26:25.53
Russell Gibson
I guess.
00:26:29.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:26:31.20
Adz
And it's, and it's my, obviously I'm, I've got my own bias view. He's a clipper. So, but it's, it's ways to give you a bit of extra money.
00:26:44.91
Adz
He was very quick to decide when everyone thought he was going to the Lakers to go to the Clippers, bit of extra incentive. It's just, it's just extra money in the pocket. And at the end of the day, this is a business.
00:26:56.17
Adz
It's a financial advantage. And it's,
00:26:57.74
Russell Gibson
ah hundred percent yeah
00:26:59.64
Adz
Like the shoe companies and the apparel companies seek these people out for endorsements. But that doesn't mean here's a contract, sign it, you just get money.
00:27:12.62
Adz
Like we don't know about Grant Hill drinking Sprite because Sprite just gave him money.
00:27:13.42
Russell Gibson
I think like in Nike.
00:27:18.85
Adz
He had to go on television. He had to, do you know what mean? Like when you sign an endorsement, you have to endorse a product.
00:27:22.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah,
00:27:25.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah. I think, um like, for example, Nike, there are some clauses in their contracts where it's like, if you play in New York or you play in LA, you will 20% more or 25% more.
00:27:35.91
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:37.89
Russell Gibson
Like, I think, yeah. but Yeah, okay. So listening to your perspective, I kind of get what you're saying on that.
00:27:44.07
Adz
But it's, yeah, look, um and until all the facts are out and everything's assessed, we don't we don't know.
00:27:49.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right.
00:27:49.53
Adz
But it's not common practice.
00:27:49.85
Russell Gibson
yeah You can't believe everything that's on the internet when it comes to...
00:27:53.06
Adz
But it wouldn't be common practice to hey, LeBron, you now have a job at this place, but you never have to show up and you never have to say you work there.
00:28:02.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it doesn't look good. It doesn't look good at all.
00:28:04.80
Adz
Because that's not an endorsement deal. You can't endorse someone if you don't know they work there.
00:28:10.53
Russell Gibson
All right, let's talk some quiet linen cards. Sorry, before we move on to that, did you have anything else you wanted to say on this?
00:28:16.44
Adz
No, not really.
00:28:17.53
Russell Gibson
Fantastic.
00:28:17.57
Adz
is um
00:28:18.74
Russell Gibson
Because I feel like that actually we've covered. I think we've covered most of it.
00:28:21.23
Adz
i think we've covered of the nuts and bolts of the issue. Yeah. of the issue
00:28:25.94
Russell Gibson
So this is the 2012 Prism Silver. Population on this is just 47. think this is kind of a fun comp, actually, almost to Caitlin Clark at this point in terms of value.
00:28:36.91
Russell Gibson
Last sold for 3,159. This is considered to be his rookie card. um
00:28:43.28
Adz
Which one's this, the 2012? Yeah. not a, well, it's actually two thousand and twelve
00:28:47.89
Russell Gibson
correct yeah
00:28:52.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so this is an interesting one. There is very, very little data points on this. ah In the last three months, there's been three sales.
00:29:00.45
Adz
it's not ah it's well it's actually it's it's actually ah
00:29:05.46
Russell Gibson
which is, it's kind of curious, isn't it? I wonder if that's more about, yeah. Anyway, look, so overall, the high sale of this has gone for 26,000. That was during COVID. Of course it was.
00:29:16.27
Russell Gibson
um When he first came out and he's in 2009, well, this is when the data came out, I should say.
00:29:16.51
Adz
Yeah.
00:29:21.86
Russell Gibson
at the earliest data, which was 2019, it was selling for like 1,400.
00:29:25.90
Adz
Yeah.
00:29:26.30
Russell Gibson
So it's currently trading, yeah, a lot more than, so if you had to picked it up in 2019, you basically doubled your money.
00:29:32.91
Adz
Yeah. And and and look look, I think it's two a $2,000 card is pretty reasonable for the the resume.
00:29:33.49
Russell Gibson
i
00:29:39.21
Adz
Obviously, this will taint things, but ah think about his Spurs and his Raptors. period. That's that's this guy was put up as a one of the greats.
00:29:55.65
Russell Gibson
Like for me, this is a really tricky one because there's a part of me that says, so this fits into my equation of like the talent that he has is better than his card value. But at the same time, I really struggle with his popularity.
00:30:05.93
Russell Gibson
I've just found another one.
00:30:07.52
Adz
Yeah.
00:30:07.97
Russell Gibson
So this is his 2012 National Treasures. This is the one that's numbered to 199, the BGS 8.5.
00:30:11.39
Adz
Yeah.
00:30:14.21
Russell Gibson
That sold for 2,800. I would actually probably rather have the ah patch autograph.
00:30:17.94
Adz
Yeah,
00:30:19.36
Russell Gibson
However, i would probably say, oh, actually, no, that did sell recently, April
00:30:23.65
Adz
no, no, there's, there's, this yeah
00:30:23.75
Russell Gibson
That's a a really good pick up.
00:30:26.93
Adz
Very good pickup for sure.
00:30:27.89
Russell Gibson
i would I would probably rather that, to be honest.
00:30:30.23
Adz
Yep.
00:30:30.51
Russell Gibson
I feel like there's a lot more card in that. That's got the rookie emblem.
00:30:33.85
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:30:34.37
Russell Gibson
I can't see the back of the card, but I'm going to guess that's going to be game one considering the year of that when things were actually game one.
00:30:36.69
Adz
Yeah.
00:30:40.32
Adz
Yeah.
00:30:42.69
Adz
Back in the day.
00:30:43.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. Let's go to our next break. I can't believe we've just done 15 minutes on Kwai Leonard. I think that has to be a record for you, cant Comp. He's talking about Kwai Leonard.
00:30:54.25
Adz
a
00:30:54.98
Russell Gibson
All
00:30:54.99
Adz
It wouldn't be anyone talking about Kawhi.
00:31:00.07
Russell Gibson
right. Fast break trading cards. Thanks, guys, for sticking around. We appreciate it
00:31:06.20
Adz
We do.
00:31:07.01
Russell Gibson
And you guys are doing a cracking job. Go down to 75 Tulip Street in Cheltenham. Actually, this is...
00:31:14.35
Adz
Well, they're doing such a cracking job. They're now open Thursdays.
00:31:20.59
Russell Gibson
You took the words out of my mouth. This is new news. They are now open Thursdays 12 to 6 and also Fridays, Saturday 9 to 5 and Sunday 10 to 4. I've got a funny feeling they've also extended their Saturday trading hours too, ah because I don't remember it being 9 to 5.
00:31:33.44
Adz
Mm-hmm. huh
00:31:35.09
Russell Gibson
But if I'm wrong about that, guys, I'm sorry. I just need to pay attention a bit more. All right. The general scheme with Fastbreak Trading Cards. Good, friendly customer service.
00:31:46.76
Russell Gibson
Seats so you can sit down and just chill and watch a basketball game. Singles boxes that are very well curated. You can sit there and flick through. They've got cabinets of higher-end cards. They've also got sealed boxes in the backside you can check out.
00:32:00.43
Russell Gibson
Fanatics authentic memorabilia. If you are purchasing from John and Alvaro, you'll be getting legitimate autographs that are authorized by Fanatics. You can send off your grading to PSA and BGS.
00:32:12.55
Russell Gibson
You can pre-order trading cards.
00:32:12.92
Adz
Yep.
00:32:14.63
Russell Gibson
Let's just do some random pricing checks. Let's go to sports trading card and basketball.com. Alrighty here, 2425 Mosaic Hobby Blaster Box at $90.
00:32:21.23
Adz
What are we looking at? What are we looking at?
00:32:27.10
Russell Gibson
The Select Mega for $150. Actually, that's a really good price on that.
00:32:31.39
Adz
Hmm.
00:32:32.77
Russell Gibson
I was looking at some of those for more than $200 the last week when I was pricing up some of my own stuff. Select Hobby for $750. and Optic Basketball, the Hobby Boxes for $800. So that has been very, very popular this year. The chase card out of that is the downtown.
00:32:49.18
Russell Gibson
Everything's been jumbled around this bit.
00:32:49.71
Adz
True.
00:32:50.50
Russell Gibson
And the winner this year has been Mosaic because they've got ah RPAs. They've got Logoman in it.
00:32:56.95
Adz
They get a lot. It's pretty crazy, isn't
00:32:58.53
Russell Gibson
And also the Color Blast.
00:33:00.78
Adz
yep
00:33:01.11
Russell Gibson
And then in Optic, it is the Downtown. So yeah, a bit of a jumble around there. And of course, the boys did the NBL launch a couple of weekends ago with Leonard Copeland.
00:33:13.07
Russell Gibson
They've got 24, 25, top's finest hobby fox boxes for $300.
00:33:18.90
Adz
Yes.
00:33:21.08
Russell Gibson
Guys, thank you again for your great support.
00:33:21.49
Adz
Okay.
00:33:23.35
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much for everything you've done for us. And please keep up the great work. You are doing the hobby a favor.
00:33:28.42
Adz
We'll see you guys soon. but Yeah, it's and it's it's the community down there as well. So if you do get a chance to not only shop online, but get into the store, because um yeah it's an experience. It's it's great.
00:33:44.12
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, guys, we're back. Thanks so much for tuning in and sticking around. This next one is called All Time Cards. So guys, if you are asking yourself, what is a card that it should be collected forever and it's not going to become you know more popular or less popular, it's just going one of those cards that you should have in your collection, bookmark this to your list.
00:34:05.83
Russell Gibson
This is the 2008 Topps Chrome, Kobe Bryant. He is also being defended by LeBron James.
00:34:14.32
Adz
Yep.
00:34:14.53
Russell Gibson
It's a beautiful card. It's a horizontal card, which I'm not actually usually a fan of, but this card just works. The photography is beautiful. The artwork is fantastic. The example here that Cardletter have found for us is the gold refractor number 250, 10, which $168,000 US dollars.
00:34:36.29
Adz
hundred and sixty eight thousand usd That is a hell of a sale
00:34:40.29
Russell Gibson
Hell of a sale. However, even if you pick up the base of this, if you pick up the refractor or the silver of this, even if you pick up one that's PSA 8 or PSA 6, hold on to that bad boy and just keep it safe, basically.
00:34:45.25
Adz
Yep.
00:34:50.21
Adz
It's...
00:34:54.64
Adz
Yep.
00:34:54.78
Russell Gibson
um These cards are absolutely fantastic. I personally find this like an iconic card.
00:35:01.90
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:02.70
Russell Gibson
It's a modern, iconic card. So yeah, if you're looking for something that
00:35:06.16
Adz
Yep.
00:35:08.64
Russell Gibson
is maybe different. You know, it's not an RPA.
00:35:10.15
Adz
Mm-mm.
00:35:10.56
Russell Gibson
It's not a case hit, something like that. This car just absolutely bangs.
00:35:14.69
Adz
Yeah.
00:35:15.25
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:35:15.42
Adz
It's really symbolic too because it's like Kobe's like, you want to be the GOAT? Come get it. And he still can't reach it.
00:35:21.81
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:35:22.11
Adz
Probably can't now as he's getting older either, LeBron.
00:35:25.97
Russell Gibson
This next one I thought we'd talk about just after we had the one-of-one last week, which was the $12 million dollars sale, which was the Jordan and Kobe.
00:35:31.04
Adz
Yes.
00:35:34.17
Adz
That cheapy.
00:35:34.29
Russell Gibson
This is an another Kobe one-of-one.
00:35:38.05
Adz
Another Kobe.
00:35:39.26
Russell Gibson
I doubt that they had enough time to time the sale. So I think this is just a bit of a coincidence, but it is a Kobe one of one. It's national treasures, 8.5. It's sold for 228,000.
00:35:52.14
Russell Gibson
My question to you, Adam, is this good, bad, or are you just sort of indifferent about this sale?
00:36:00.81
Adz
That is a cool tag.
00:36:03.94
Russell Gibson
It's also one of one and on-card autograph.
00:36:06.44
Adz
Yeah. I mean, i would I would have just, yeah, because it's NT, I would have gathered or on card, but that's, I want to know what part of the tag with the Lakers, the
00:36:22.80
Adz
It's got the it's a it's a front and center Lakers logo, which is really cool. um
00:36:30.84
Adz
I like it. I don't know if the the the values there but
00:36:35.52
Russell Gibson
So in an ideal world, what do you think this should be worth?
00:36:40.06
Adz
off the top of my head because I mean, I'm no pricing expert with this but I don't know. Yeah, maybe maybe 200k is the right the the right price.
00:36:52.30
Adz
Yeah, maybe 200k the right ballpark to be in.
00:36:58.29
Russell Gibson
I think there's a part of me that's like, I wonder what the sales history of this card is because I bet you it's gone on the same trajectory that that last one went on where it went for
00:37:13.08
Adz
Wait, TTA KB. Let's see if that's on card letter.
00:37:17.86
Russell Gibson
So just to refresh, it was $25,000, $170,000, and then $10.6 million, or $12.9 million with the buyer's premium. And that was in 11 years. So i'm going to go out a limb here and say, reckon that card would have done the exact same trajectory, honestly, because...
00:37:40.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I just think. So I think like for me, and this is probably where I'm at with Kobe collecting is like, is now a good time to buy or have we missed the train? yeah, you know I've been saying that Kobe is one of the best buyers in basketball.
00:37:53.84
Russell Gibson
I feel like I've been saying this for at least a year now.
00:37:55.59
Adz
right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:57.03
Russell Gibson
And I really need to almost like re-examine that where it's like, well, actually, you know have we now just sort of missed the boat? So maybe what we could do you know for that exercise, the obvious one to do for this is just go look at some more regular Kobe Bryant cards, like some lower end, but still you know really nice cards.
00:38:15.56
Adz
All right. so So just to give you an idea, um i'm on card ladder at the moment and I'm looking at Kobe's and I'm looking at specifically
00:38:19.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:26.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:38:27.23
Adz
um like the, from I've gone from the high and down. And I'm trying to find something that's just in that ballpark. 2003 exquisite limited logos around the 65K mark numbered to 50.
00:38:43.08
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:38:43.64
Adz
And that's a patch auto.
00:38:45.55
Russell Gibson
What's the the sales history on that ad? Can you see that?
00:38:48.90
Adz
sales history, let's go.
00:38:50.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Because my problem with Exquisite is like,
00:38:52.17
Adz
Limited logos.
00:38:55.81
Russell Gibson
I feel like even those are out of sort of the average collector's reach at the moment.
00:38:56.20
Adz
All right. 2017, three and a half thousand.
00:39:02.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:02.67
Adz
to 2025 66,000. Steady trend 34 in 2024, but no sales between. So it's between 2017 and 2024.
00:39:06.22
Russell Gibson
Okay. so that's,
00:39:08.59
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:13.05
Adz
so it's ten x between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty four
00:39:16.51
Russell Gibson
okay. So that's for better or worse, that just fits into the same pattern that we were just talking about before.
00:39:22.42
Adz
yeah yeah
00:39:22.80
Russell Gibson
All right. So let's, With that, I can't find actually something else lower end that I wanted to talk about. I was sort of hoping just to find like a regular...
00:39:31.77
Adz
Oh, I can go I can go back and try.
00:39:33.28
Russell Gibson
Because there's exquisite stuff here and then I can't... There's nothing else on Card Ladder that...
00:39:39.41
Adz
I can search by value. And then we can go out of that. Yeah, i'm I'm in the 10s of 1000s at the moment, everything.
00:39:44.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:44.88
Adz
Yeah, you're right. This is Kobe.
00:39:46.22
Russell Gibson
right. That's wild, isn't it? All right.
00:39:49.11
Adz
Yeah, Kobe is is there's a reason I'm not trying to add heaps to my Kobe PC.
00:39:54.48
Russell Gibson
Hmm. So how about you do that and I'll do the next card and then if we can come back to you on the Kobe prices.
00:40:00.09
Adz
Sure.
00:40:01.59
Russell Gibson
So this next card.
00:40:02.08
Adz
I'm trying to find something a bit patch auto, but more more in the under ten k range.
00:40:04.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:40:08.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Let's say, let's let's say, I was going to say to you too, Kay, but let's just do under 10. Otherwise I'm just, might be giving you an impossible task. All right. This next card is a 2023 Prism Steph Curry gold.
00:40:20.53
Russell Gibson
So these are numbered to 10. The PSA nine just sold for $26,000.
00:40:27.19
Russell Gibson
And this sale is nearly $20,000 more than the most recent PSA 10 copy, which was just $7,189. So whoever bought that PSA 10 in May of 24, you have just done yourself an absolute delicious deal there.
00:40:44.29
Russell Gibson
I actually think this is a really good time for us now to go on to something else that's lower down in the the run sheet. um
00:40:52.35
Adz
okay
00:40:52.99
Russell Gibson
This will be the perfect little segue here. and we and might end up doing a lot more time on this in a future episode. like I think this is something we could definitely do more of a deep dive into. um This is from Adam Gray, who was basically just referencing a whole bunch of Gem rate data.
00:41:13.52
Russell Gibson
And what he was pulling up was the population counts of, he just picked three guys.
00:41:14.21
Adz
Yeah.
00:41:18.53
Russell Gibson
So he picked Kobe's LeBron's and Steph Curry's. And so
00:41:23.77
Adz
Yeah.
00:41:25.33
Russell Gibson
It's a universal pop count tool, which basically just looks at all the different grading companies and pulls all the numbers in together. So the total graded for Kobe is 64,000. The total graded for LeBron is 31.
00:41:38.54
Russell Gibson
The total graded is Steph Curry at 9,000.
00:41:38.75
Adz
Yeah.
00:41:41.31
Russell Gibson
And I think i'm just going to tell you my answer just like straight away, because i probably think that's just the easiest the most fun way to look at this. And we had Ryan on from Gem Raid, what, maybe one or two years ago now. And he was like talking about Steph Curry in terms of like the sales for this guy, the population for this guy and how popular he is. Like all of this just doesn't weigh up.
00:42:04.67
Russell Gibson
And basically he was saying he was the best buy in basketball. And I think when you see numbers like this,
00:42:09.44
Adz
Hmm.
00:42:11.90
Russell Gibson
like I'm not a math genius, but that's easy to work out, isn't it? like You look at the population on this stuff, like 612 versus 19,000, and Steph Curry is
00:42:16.52
Adz
Yeah.
00:42:19.39
Russell Gibson
and stiff carry is high but he's not that high. So maybe actually what we're starting to see now is the market on Steph Curry is moving. So that's like two really good examples of sales for Steph Curry.
00:42:31.60
Russell Gibson
We kind of like, you know, there's some good prices that he sold for, but then when a PSA nine outsells the PSA 10 in just a 12 month period, like that's a huge shift in the market.
00:42:31.85
Adz
Hmm.
00:42:41.20
Adz
ya Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's massive.
00:42:42.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:42.96
Adz
It's huge. Yeah.
00:42:46.15
Russell Gibson
What's your thoughts on that whole sort of Adam gray gem rate story that,
00:42:46.40
Adz
Yeah.
00:42:53.08
Russell Gibson
It's been presented there.
00:42:54.59
Adz
I think there are different eras of cards. So I think the numbers on the Steph stuff will change over time, but it's it's very it's very...
00:43:07.03
Russell Gibson
I think that number, I think that number can change.
00:43:07.13
Adz
There's a lot of data to work through, yeah. Yeah.
00:43:10.02
Russell Gibson
And I also wanted to, if that's like a popularity thing where it's like, yeah.
00:43:13.35
Adz
Yeah, because but you look at the gem rate numbers, right? Like you see weekly who's put through. Michael Jordan every week is the the most graded player, right?
00:43:20.95
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, that's right.
00:43:23.14
Adz
So eventually that goes up, right?
00:43:24.10
Russell Gibson
Kobe Bryant, LeBron. Yeah.
00:43:26.89
Adz
And then Steph will will we follow suit when all the kids that are have just started their first ever job that collects Steph Curry because they wanted to replicate him start grading cards when they're in their 20s rather than their teens.
00:43:41.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. 100%.
00:43:42.57
Adz
do know what I mean? like As they get older, that that fan base will start grading cards.
00:43:47.18
Russell Gibson
hundred percent
00:43:48.31
Adz
right So a lot of the Jordan fans are middle-aged people now, so they can afford to go and do de grade and in in sizable numbers. I mean, i obviously grading prices have changed, but it's an affordability thing. like When you just start collecting or you're a teenager, you're like you're not going to send a ah bulk lot of 100 things to get graded, are you?
00:44:07.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:44:08.99
Adz
And that's where Steph Curry's, but Steph Curry's fan group, Steph Curry's fan base aren't the middle-aged 90s MJ collectors.
00:44:09.45
Russell Gibson
Oh man, those days of like 20 buck grading, that's gone, man. Yeah.
00:44:23.67
Adz
you know what I mean? Like they're not the not the the guys in their 40s or 50s.
00:44:24.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:44:28.01
Russell Gibson
So, just for, I'm just trying like map this out of my head. I'm an 80s baby.
00:44:33.73
Adz
hu
00:44:36.33
Adz
Yeah, kids, early two thousand
00:44:36.38
Russell Gibson
Probably, like probably LeBron or Kobe would, if I had to pick between the two, i don't know, probably LeBron I've watched more of, I suppose.
00:44:45.52
Adz
Okay.
00:44:46.87
Russell Gibson
So, who are you saying is like people born in the in the year 2000s Curry? Yeah.
00:44:51.74
Adz
I think 90s babies are goingnna be kobe all lebron and then two thousands are going to be and And they're barely, like they're just turning 18 and getting jobs and things.
00:45:06.69
Russell Gibson
It's another 20 years and before they start to heavily invest into Steph Curry is what you're trying to tell me.
00:45:08.45
Adz
It's it's another 10 15 years before you see the Curry.
00:45:11.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
00:45:16.62
Adz
ah that that's that's just a rough idea based on, know, because MJ, think about it.
00:45:19.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. No, that's, that's a cool, fun projection. I get what you're saying a hundred percent.
00:45:24.44
Adz
MJ was was a decade or 12 years before Kobe. And then LeBron was seven years after that.
00:45:34.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:35.27
Adz
So there are these gaps and and the exposure to those players. So Steph Curry's got a long way to go before you you get people like bulk submitting Steph stuff. stuff
00:45:46.95
Russell Gibson
Speaking of LeBron, did you see that he got inducted into the Hall of Fame today is part of the Redeem team?
00:45:50.34
Adz
He got an orange jacket.
00:45:52.89
Russell Gibson
that That's a really strange little wrinkle where he's still currently in the NBA, but he's also in the Hall of Fame.
00:45:53.27
Adz
Yeah.
00:45:58.85
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. That redeem team deserves that the, the, the accolade. think it's a, it's sort of course corrected. um um merit you you at The USA basketball.
00:46:08.96
Russell Gibson
So if the Redeem team is in, I'm assuming the Dream team is in.
00:46:15.08
Adz
It'd have to be. I wouldn't even assume it should be. If it's not, it is. It should be.
00:46:22.61
Russell Gibson
Let's go to a break and while we're on break, i will try and find, yeah find this out.
00:46:26.34
Adz
Do some research.
00:46:39.21
Russell Gibson
right. Is the dream team in the hall of fame?
00:46:49.05
Adz
Also, there is no Kobe that's below like 5k with a patch on it.
00:46:54.73
Russell Gibson
So maybe my Kobe auto has doubled since I bought it.
00:46:57.76
Adz
Auto, autos can pick up easy for 2k, 3k, maybe four.
00:47:01.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:47:02.62
Adz
But
00:47:06.00
Adz
patches, forget it. If it's a patch auto. Yep.
00:47:09.80
Russell Gibson
In 2009, the team was elected to the US Olympic and Paralympic Hall of Fame.
00:47:15.75
Adz
yeah
00:47:20.66
Russell Gibson
Because the dream team is in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, so they are in.
00:47:28.40
Russell Gibson
All right, cool. Ready to go back?
00:47:31.35
Adz
I am.
00:47:32.91
Russell Gibson
And we are back. Thank you, everybody,
00:47:37.84
Adz
Everybody.
00:47:38.86
Russell Gibson
for sticking around. Hope you're enjoying today's content.
00:47:41.39
Adz
we into the where We're into the final stretch.
00:47:44.16
Russell Gibson
this is This is the final stretch. um Let's do this next one as a two-second story. It is PJ Washington signed a four-year $90 million dollars contract extension with the Mavs.
00:47:56.23
Adz
Congrats.
00:47:56.29
Russell Gibson
I think my mind was a bit blown when I read this, and then I sort of had to remind myself that essentially the salary cap is going to double the next couple of years. So yes, $90 million dollars is a lot of money, but it's like him getting paid $45 million dollars a couple of years ago.
00:48:10.91
Russell Gibson
So if you say it like that, you're kind of like, okay, that's not too bad.
00:48:13.56
Adz
Content, yeah, okay.
00:48:13.82
Russell Gibson
that's That's about $10 million bucks a year.
00:48:14.77
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:16.30
Russell Gibson
Okay, that's not too bad for PJ Washington. So that's actually probably a pretty good deal for him.
00:48:20.83
Adz
Yep.
00:48:21.19
Russell Gibson
and Sorry, let me rephrase that for the Mavericks.
00:48:23.61
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:48:24.15
Russell Gibson
So congrats on that. But at the same time, it just seems like an insane number. But we we need to get used to this man because moving forward,
00:48:32.27
Adz
There's going to be some insane numbers moving forward.
00:48:34.02
Russell Gibson
That's right. When people are getting paid 80 $90 million dollars per year, I think we're going to need to really you know readjust our sort of thought process on this.
00:48:42.39
Adz
Double down on it.
00:48:44.09
Russell Gibson
All right, we have to do this just because we can.
00:48:44.17
Adz
Yeah.
00:48:46.31
Russell Gibson
Population on this is 815. He's silver PSA 10 rookie. The last sold price on this was $10.50. Look, I'm too biased to chip in on this because i've I've bought some of this guy in the past thinking he was going to be pretty good.
00:49:00.29
Russell Gibson
But at $10.50, yeah, it's not filling me full of joy. i think that card can only go up from this point.
00:49:06.81
Adz
Yes. Yes.
00:49:09.06
Russell Gibson
ah RIP if you bought that card for $285, though. I don't think you're going to be getting back your money anytime soon. Alrighty. This next segment. Sorry, actually, we need to talk about the Dream Team.
00:49:20.82
Russell Gibson
Yes, they were inducted to the US Olympic and Paralympic Hall of Fame.
00:49:23.03
Adz
Yes.
00:49:27.15
Russell Gibson
So they are in the Hall of Fame. Yes. Pulse of the Hobby.
00:49:31.75
Adz
Makes sense.
00:49:33.65
Russell Gibson
Check the pulse of the hobby. Adam, I will start with you before we go to the listeners. How do you think the hobby is currently going at the moment?
00:49:43.84
Adz
How do I think the hobby's going? um
00:49:45.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:49:47.32
Adz
I think its it's healthier than it's ever been. like, do you know what I mean? Like, I think it's, yeah.
00:50:01.15
Adz
I can't, I've got,
00:50:05.86
Adz
you can see it everywhere. Like there, there are card shows. There are, um, yeah, there, there, there's local card shows. There's, uh, there's stuff happening on whatnot on eBay, like traffic. People are buying more than ever.
00:50:22.65
Adz
Um, the overall card hobby is being dominated by a bunch of pocket monsters, also known as Pokemon. But in our little niche, it, the sports cards are still insane.
00:50:35.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:50:35.94
Adz
Like anyone that thinks the hobby's dead is just kidding themselves or trying to delude you down a, like trying to, trying to lead you down the garden path, so to speak.
00:50:45.98
Russell Gibson
Or you've had a negative experience and that's what's influencing your opinion.
00:50:46.06
Adz
There are,
00:50:49.57
Adz
Sure, um but you you definitely got your head in the sand because the hobby is stronger than ever.
00:50:50.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:50:55.16
Adz
they're ah And I'll use the trade day at Fast Break Trading Cards the other week.
00:50:59.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:00.09
Adz
as
00:51:00.53
Russell Gibson
Use that as a measuring stick.
00:51:00.60
Adz
as the
00:51:01.77
Russell Gibson
That's that's kind of fun.
00:51:02.29
Adz
It's a great measuring stick.
00:51:02.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:03.41
Adz
there were i did I was talking about doing trades with kids, trades with veterans, just showing cards off, talking about card stories. This is exactly what the hobby is about.
00:51:14.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:51:15.11
Adz
We're experiencing the hobby like never before. We've got more stories than ever. We've got more options for product than ever. We've got this big trend this big change that's coming.
00:51:26.88
Adz
Tops coming back with like the Fanatics train has arrived at the station.
00:51:30.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:51:32.24
Adz
Everybody get ready to get on board. There's some crazy stuff happening. I'm sure the hobby's in good hands. but Panini's done their job. We've got cards galore. Things are more accessible than ever.
00:51:44.06
Adz
You don't like, you can enjoy this hobby in so many different ways right now that, that, yeah, I think you sort of, um if you, if you are having a negative experience, is a really easy way to engage with the community and turn that, turn that experience around.
00:52:01.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. We've got a few listener responses on here. We'll start with Joe Fu. This post each reach for OzPost to USA is going to stop a ton of grading unless everything gets sent at $99 value.
00:52:06.36
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:52:12.18
Russell Gibson
This will create a backlog potential rise in the value of graded items. um No, this is not a problem. You just need to send through fast break trading cards, um Lane Pierce with the hobby. They've worked all this stuff out.
00:52:25.89
Russell Gibson
um I think when the initial AusPost stuff was announced, I think there was a lot of concern around that. I think the AusPost thing is more about if you're selling on eBay to USA, from Australia to USA, that is causing you lots of problems at the moment. yeah Andrew Suter Hewitt, with Panini about to finish their license, what's your all-time favorite Panini product ever released?
00:52:40.05
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:46.72
Russell Gibson
So I had obviously time to think about this. I shortlisted it to Cornerstone 1718 and 1819, Mosaic and select hobby every year. But I think at the end of the day, yeah it's select hobby and prism.
00:53:00.49
Russell Gibson
Like it's just, ah that's the stuff that I engage with the most.
00:53:01.21
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:07.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:07.71
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:07.91
Russell Gibson
I'll just, I'll just leave it at that.
00:53:09.23
Adz
mosaic Mosaic's you're your, um it's like your your product, isn't it?
00:53:14.34
Russell Gibson
ah I think it was the thing that I got back into the, like properly got back into the, it was the thing that like dragged me back. I was already sort of dabbling and, you know i was doing some stuff and then that product came out and i chased that and really, really hard.
00:53:24.98
Adz
yeah, yeah.
00:53:29.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Greg Dolliver, how soon does it take Fanatics to release? Surely they have product lines and designs ready to go. So I think the answer to that is they'll be good to go on October the 1st.
00:53:41.43
Russell Gibson
There's no indication that they won't be.
00:53:44.46
Adz
i think i think I think we need to reach out to our friends at Fastbreak.
00:53:44.52
Russell Gibson
In terms of...
00:53:47.58
Adz
reckon Alvaro and John might have some information they can share with us.
00:53:52.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:53:52.52
Adz
Hopefully. Hopefully.
00:53:54.48
Russell Gibson
In terms of product lines and designs, I think the answer to that is already yes. And they've already done dry runs of that because they've released the unlicensed products already. So yes, that'll be good to go.
00:54:05.62
Russell Gibson
um Christos Carolus, will Topps change the design on the cards or they continue releasing those monstrosities like Topps, Chrome and Finus? My three-year-old twins could have done ah a better job.
00:54:17.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think...
00:54:21.13
Russell Gibson
This is a really tough one because I think if you grew up in the and the Panini era, crossing over to a different product is going to be really challenging for you. And I think if you grew up in the Tops era where you're just like frothing for it to come back,
00:54:31.09
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:36.15
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:37.28
Russell Gibson
And, you know, look, I think we can throw a lot of shade at Panini over the years for, you know, the stuff they did and did or do, but they took a lot of artistic risks. And some of those risks were absolute home runs and some of them were failures, like C, select hobby inserts.
00:54:48.78
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:50.82
Russell Gibson
But then other cards that they did, like the downtowns and the kabooms, like they were just like undefeated. And I think realistically Topps Chrome is going to be borrowing from them at some point in the future.
00:54:58.34
Adz
yeah yeah
00:55:01.83
Adz
wa Sure, there's some design stuff there that I think um is definitely
00:55:12.33
Adz
up for use, I guess. ah Look, to to defend Topps, and I don't often, i' normally I'm bit nippy-peaky about it, but we spoke about this a while back last year when when Topps Chrome re were relaunched without a licence.
00:55:28.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:55:29.65
Adz
And it looked like crap. Yes. Not having the actual jersey stuff, not actually, not having the license was a very bodgy product. And I think bodgy is probably the most makeshift word I can come up with at the moment.
00:55:45.91
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:55:46.06
Adz
But I'm going to stick with what I said back then. Give them a chance when they've got the license. because they've got some templates out there. Yes, they're blank uniforms in the old product. The new product will be fully licensed and have all the bells and whistles, and they can use and NBA backgrounds.
00:56:04.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I do wonder how much of that does influence your perception of the cards, but I i kind of get what Christos is saying here.
00:56:10.75
Adz
Yeah.
00:56:11.59
Russell Gibson
like some of the it's just like For me, I find it a bit like when you go into a suburb and they haven't renovated their houses since the 80s and you sort of just see a whole line of like old houses that you're kind of like, oh, these just need a bit of a refresh.
00:56:21.36
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56:26.08
Russell Gibson
like That's how I feel about the Topps Chrome. It's like, have they just rolled out they just rolled out the same stuff from literally 20 years ago?
00:56:29.14
Adz
The Topps Chrome experience. Yeah, yeah.
00:56:33.69
Russell Gibson
Anyway.
00:56:33.97
Adz
That's fair. That's fair. I just, um I do think, ah yeah, i do I do think there is more coming.
00:56:36.76
Russell Gibson
James,
00:56:40.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. James Mann. Fanatics tops are claiming to take over the license. Apparently not October the 1st. It appears we're about to see a wave of 24, 25 P90 products in the next month. Silhouette, Prism Black, 101, Obsidian, Immaculate and Flawless and Eminence.
00:56:54.80
Russell Gibson
I find it hard to imagine all these coming out in five weeks. Get prepared.
00:56:59.05
Adz
They're all coming out in five weeks.
00:56:59.19
Russell Gibson
if you If you imagine those, if if you remember that gif where it's like the lady is opening her mouth and there's like all those sausages just like falling down onto her head. I'm sorry to make a crude joke, but literally this is what card collectors are going to be like um very, very shortly.
00:57:12.23
Adz
It's going to, yeah.
00:57:14.79
Russell Gibson
Andrew Coe, how are box prices still so high when no one is signing? It's like no one knows exactly what to do or how to take these...
00:57:22.33
Adz
Yeah.
00:57:23.58
Russell Gibson
tops autos, even though they'd get the license, it still feels like a second rate product because we're so used to Panini. Yeah. So i think the pricing is an interesting one because the pricing is literally dictated obviously by distribution and also the person who does it, but it's also dictated by supply and demand.
00:57:42.90
Russell Gibson
So if it doesn't sell, they drop the prices. If it does sell, they jack it up. It's literally as simple as that. So a lot of this
00:57:48.86
Adz
They check the pulse. Yeah.
00:57:50.19
Russell Gibson
it It is all done by demand. And so i think that's the answer to that question. i will say this, though, it's super interesting because it's like, yes, I would actually say for me, Panini has been more popular than I would have thought it would be considering no one is signing in it.
00:58:03.83
Adz
Yep.
00:58:06.10
Russell Gibson
But what they've done this year, which has been so well, they've loaded it with... numbered cards and case hits. So earlier in the show, we're talking about Optic having downtowns.
00:58:13.76
Adz
a a
00:58:15.91
Russell Gibson
Everyone wants to buy Optic because you can get a downtown. So that's how they hit a home run on that product. You don't need people signing in it because people love those case hits.
00:58:27.50
Russell Gibson
So that's what they've done to to do that. Yeah. Matthew Hull, I've got a real issue with the lack of collectors and collecting and the high increase of flippers. Now not against the flip. I am for the flip and I've done it myself.
00:58:40.79
Russell Gibson
What I'm seeing and watching in all these groups is those who are following along the path of the big time content making flippers. This behavior always leads down the path of nefarious activity as well as people getting burnt with the eventual overinflation of the market.
00:58:54.77
Russell Gibson
The US rise of gambling and everything else concerning as it is propping up the gambler's mentality. I want the collectors to have the largest voice in the hobby and as a whole make the right decisions and voice the hobby.
00:59:05.91
Russell Gibson
Keep flipping and keep giving value to the card market as the best asset for anyone to get into now and for the future. Let's just not hype the flip to the point of losing the joy of collecting.
00:59:16.70
Russell Gibson
Also, Luca is skinny. This is seriously messed up and has made me get a summer dead bod. I feel sick. Ha ha. All right, a little bit to unpack there, but I think that for me, the flip at the moment isn't there the way it was in COVID. And I think, for example, the easy way to explain this is go to Card Ladder, go to a card that's been out the last five years, and you'll see the graph go up and you'll see the graph go down.
00:59:42.97
Russell Gibson
So if you're currently flipping cards in a market where you can argue that the line is going downwards and still making a profit,
00:59:50.60
Adz
yep
00:59:51.65
Russell Gibson
I would actually say to you like hats off. Like I think at the moment, particularly in NBA, and we've been talking about this in terms of like climate market. If you go to a card show, um for example, the hobby hangout or collect fest or whatever it is, what is it? 80% of people are like doing Pokemon.
01:00:07.63
Adz
Yep.
01:00:08.73
Russell Gibson
And so,
01:00:09.44
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:10.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:11.12
Adz
i think there's that he's actually hit on ah on a key point in his own post with it.
01:00:19.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:19.29
Adz
But you continue. oh ah
01:00:20.76
Russell Gibson
No, no, that's fine. You say what you wanted to say
01:00:22.52
Adz
So I have a big –
01:00:23.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:00:24.23
Adz
i have a big um I used to be not anti-flip, but I felt like I'd get harassed by flippers. Like it was all flip, flip, flip. I'm like, can we just talk cards and maybe do like it, there wasn't the the collecting aspect.
01:00:40.92
Russell Gibson
Hmm.
01:00:41.03
Adz
It was the, that comps and flipping. And I think the nefarious activity being referred to is where things get toxic and we go from flippers to rippers.
01:00:52.49
Adz
And I don't mean ripping product. I mean, ripping people off.
01:00:55.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%.
01:00:55.84
Adz
And I think, Flippers is the community we live in and it's fine.
01:01:01.41
Russell Gibson
Mm.
01:01:01.45
Adz
When people have a, if but that's a thing.
01:01:02.82
Russell Gibson
Of running stams.
01:01:05.24
Adz
when When people conduct, yeah if people are flipping cards with honor and courtesy and respect,
01:01:05.68
Russell Gibson
And that fake Wemby that was going around Hobby Hangout. Yeah.
01:01:13.19
Adz
Look, I get it. you want to make You want to make margin on each trade you do. You want to get more value or you want to flip something, get rid of it so you can trade to something else.
01:01:17.94
Russell Gibson
Mm.
01:01:22.64
Adz
That's great.
01:01:23.49
Russell Gibson
Mm.
01:01:23.84
Adz
When it comes to scamming people, when it comes to selling fake cards, when it comes to ripping others off, that's the nefarious stuff that is bred from this, I need to find an advantage and get ahead.
01:01:38.23
Adz
That's not the collecting and being fair and reasonable. you know Your card's not always going to be the most valuable. Not everybody wants to trade with you and you're not always going to get maximum value. That's what collecting is all about.
01:01:52.25
Adz
You're not going to 10x every card you trade for.
01:01:57.49
Adz
And i think the frustration is people are tempted
01:01:57.63
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:02:03.11
Adz
by One little thing, putting a Panini sticker over a card, selling a fake card. It's only once. And that's, but that's the, that's the, the, um the, the addiction mentality seeking it. I'm just going to do it the once and then get away with it once. I'm just going to do it another time.
01:02:23.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, sure.
01:02:23.62
Adz
But you, there's this ethical thing.
01:02:24.90
Russell Gibson
that's like the That's like the Peter Georgie sort of thing, isn't it?
01:02:26.30
Adz
So yeah, where it goes, when you go when you go from flipping to ripping,
01:02:28.42
Russell Gibson
It's like, well, other people do it. That's how I justify my behavior. Yeah. ye
01:02:34.85
Adz
And once again, i don't mean ripping product, I mean ripping people. If you go from flipping with people to ripping people, then you know you've crossed the line and that's that's not good for our hobby.
01:02:46.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:02:46.74
Adz
um and And I think the one of the things I noticed in the in the Pokemon community is everybody collects differently, but everybody respects that everybody collects differently.
01:02:57.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:02:58.19
Adz
And I think there's a level of honor and respect in that community. And the biggest thing I got at the trading day I went to the other day when I asked questions about Pokemon, collect however you feel good about collecting.
01:03:14.23
Adz
Collect the things you want to collect. So if it's all about money, then then maybe it's not the right spot for you.
01:03:21.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah, like i think i think to a degree everyone will fit into the ere ecosystem. and Like we had Oivin on last week who's got 100 set lists that he's collecting. You know what i mean? So like there's people out there doing it all.
01:03:30.62
Adz
but it's but it's But it's once you go down and and it's such a Star Wars slippery slope, like the dark side.
01:03:31.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, no, I see. i get it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
01:03:37.41
Adz
But once you start doing things that are unethical to gain an advantage, you become part of the problem.
01:03:41.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. I'll just say this like closing thought on this to Maddie.
01:03:46.85
Adz
Yeah.
01:03:46.90
Russell Gibson
So Maddie was also talking about the social media influencer. The thing about that Maddie is that negativity ah is quite very good at getting clicks. so so So on socials Maddie, you're either, you're getting clicks by complaining.
01:03:56.81
Adz
Oh, it's great at getting clicks.
01:04:01.19
Russell Gibson
And the other thing that actually people like talking about too is prospecting on cards. Actually that content does well.
01:04:05.99
Adz
if we If we dramatize this segment as is the hobby dying, we'll get more clicks than will.
01:04:06.36
Russell Gibson
And,
01:04:11.69
Russell Gibson
That's the thing. But we, and I can tell you from experience, Matt, we don't get many clicks and we don't get a lot of traction because we just sort of talk about every day sort of like, you know, boring stuff in the hobby.
01:04:13.16
Adz
The hype stuff. yeah
01:04:22.82
Russell Gibson
And so like, I kind of get why people do it. that That's, that's my final thought on that.
01:04:26.69
Adz
ah hype stuff
01:04:26.98
Russell Gibson
um Zebulon Candle, topic for you, what would happen to Caitlin Clas Price if she got pregnant? Or you could just rephrase his question as what if she strained her groin?
01:04:37.91
Adz
Hmm.
01:04:38.49
Russell Gibson
So we've covered that in this episode already.
01:04:39.83
Adz
Wow.
01:04:40.33
Russell Gibson
Anthony Mill, what would Topps do differently?
01:04:40.59
Adz
Okay.
01:04:43.27
Russell Gibson
And have they learned anything from Panini price products and distributions? um No, they are just going to take exactly what Panini have done. Actually, they're not. They're just going to look at the end point and just sell it for that and just cut everyone out. That's actually what they're to
01:04:59.07
Adz
Yep.
01:04:59.55
Russell Gibson
And would they pay homage to the 2010-11 designs? I don't think they've changed the designs at all since two thousand and ten eleven David Ralph, how can we convince our significant others we are collecting fiscal assets?
01:05:10.67
Russell Gibson
I actually have a direct answer for this. um Google Mr. Wonderful buys $12.9 million dollar card and then read that article to them.
01:05:18.98
Adz
but yeah Yeah, exactly right.
01:05:21.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:05:22.00
Adz
um Just to circle back quickly, because our friend, the Boston Card Hunter, actually made a comment about this, about our type of content going extinct. As far as the social media influencer stuff, this 30-second content is the way the world consumes content these days.
01:05:32.96
Russell Gibson
Oh, yeah.
01:05:38.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and he said people that do content for an hour have got an ego problem that we think why do people, that we've got an ego that um people want to listen to us for an hour.
01:05:42.95
Adz
We're a dying breed.
01:05:49.91
Russell Gibson
That's what he said.
01:05:50.55
Adz
I think he was having a crack at sports cards nonsense. But anyway.
01:05:52.83
Russell Gibson
Bastard. Anyway. All right. Let's finish today's show on this.
01:05:57.91
Adz
With a Jordan?
01:05:59.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. We'll do a Jordan. Why not?
01:06:01.63
Adz
Is it a Jordan to close?
01:06:03.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we can do a Jordan to close. Let's do a Jordan to close.
01:06:08.83
Russell Gibson
We have got
01:06:11.57
Adz
Which one?
01:06:13.64
Russell Gibson
1997 Metal Universe Michael Jordan Platinum Portrait BGS 9.5. This sold for $34,500. There was a Caitlin Clark, flawless at number to five that we talked about and sold for $30,000.
01:06:28.43
Russell Gibson
So that's a direct comp. Would you like a Caitlin Clark or this Jordan?
01:06:31.68
Adz
I'll take the Jordan. Thanks.
01:06:34.09
Russell Gibson
There's a part that actually wants the Caitlin Clark.
01:06:36.47
Adz
Cool.
01:06:36.55
Russell Gibson
i'm just as I'm just a sucker for autograph and patches, though.
01:06:37.25
Adz
Let's deal.
01:06:39.39
Russell Gibson
like I just feel like there's more to it. Look, at the end of the day, this is probably the more valuable card, you know, moving forward.
01:06:42.69
Adz
Deal.
01:06:47.16
Russell Gibson
And also, David Ralph, this is the type of asset that you could show to your wife and say this is a physical asset.
01:06:47.19
Adz
Hmm.
01:06:52.11
Adz
Hmm.
01:06:53.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Look, I think for me, there's nothing really more to say about this card. It's just a froth piece. It's a beautiful piece of art. They've nailed the design. Um, congrats to all the people that picked them up for, you know, a hundred bucks a few years ago and now they're selling them to 34,000.
01:07:09.23
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Adam. Thank you to our friends at Central Coast Radio. Thank you to all of our listeners who are out there. We will catch you all next week.
01:07:18.25
Adz
We'll see you next week. enjoy Enjoy the week ahead.