Episode 237: Oz Nationals Recap, Panini Sigs, Hobby Movement & Classic Cards

 In Episode 237 of You Can’t Comp This, Russell and Adz break down a huge week in the hobby:

• Oz Nationals Recap: The highs, lows, crowded aisles, and standout pickups. From Pokémon to NBA grails, what worked and what needs tweaking for next year.
• Panini Signings: Who’s putting pen to sticker? We run through the latest autograph deals and what they could mean for collectors.
• Hobby Movement: Market index trends, card ladder data, and why sales are climbing back toward pre-COVID peaks.
• Classic Cards: From Kabooms and Beam Teams to Kobe’s Chrome vs. LeBron, we kick off a new segment debating what makes a card timeless.

It’s a packed show covering events, comps, and some serious hobby health check-ups.

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00:00:00.00
Adz
ah bear was streaming software where are you my brains are cooked it's been a long day

00:00:09.05
Russell Gibson
You looked grumpy at dinner tonight. I'm not going to lie to you look

00:00:11.29
Adz
i was just tired no no no that was lara messaging with with responses from her ex anyway just dealing with it was correct i was a bit grumpy i just i think i'm tired though after a long day it's been a long yeah

00:00:13.18
Russell Gibson
You looked mad. Okay. So my assessment of you looking mad was correct.

00:00:24.71
Russell Gibson
Oh, it's huge, man. and two obviously That's actually why i didn't go yesterday. i wanted to like pace myself.

00:00:29.70
Adz
Yeah, I've i've beat i been at the Oz National for though for nearly the whole time of the show.

00:00:30.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah,

00:00:34.27
Adz
so

00:00:34.45
Russell Gibson
yeah that's right.

00:00:35.40
Adz
And I didn't go to the trade night, but anyway, it's all good.

00:00:37.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's crazy.

00:00:42.00
Adz
That doesn't happen all the time.

00:00:45.47
Adz
um I think we are good to go. give me a volume check quickly.

00:00:50.17
Russell Gibson
Testing, testing, testing. I am testing, testing, testing.

00:00:54.85
Adz
Perfect. Confirm and impair go live.

00:01:00.65
Adz
Oh, look at this technology stuff doing its thing. I've got to get better at that, but one thing at a time. We are live on the YouTubes.

00:01:12.54
Russell Gibson
And I am recording.

00:01:14.17
Adz
Excellent. We're winning.

00:01:27.35
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 237 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We host Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson and we're back from the Oz National.

00:01:42.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Hi, Adam. Hello, everyone at home. Hope you're all doing very well. How are you, Adam?

00:01:48.88
Adz
I'm digging deep at the moment. It's been a long, long weekend and I am very, very tired.

00:01:55.65
Russell Gibson
The waitress offered you coffee at dinner tonight. Why didn't you just say yes?

00:01:58.72
Adz
well, I'd be very tired and then I'd be awake and tired because I wouldn't be able to sleep.

00:01:59.32
Russell Gibson
At

00:02:02.80
Adz
I think that would ah mess with my sleep pattern a little bit.

00:02:06.55
Russell Gibson
least you'd be caffeinated, though.

00:02:06.97
Adz
um but I could be even grumpier at work tomorrow. That could be bad for for a lot of people at work. So grumpier, grumpier.

00:02:13.63
Russell Gibson
grumpier. Yeah. Yeah,

00:02:16.19
Adz
I feel like my mood was but but sort of, it ebbed and flowed this week. I did evoke a little bit of grumpy old man, but all in all, i think I was, yes, I,

00:02:22.71
Russell Gibson
yeah that's right. Yeah. we We made a lot of references to old men tonight, didn't we at dinner? know

00:02:29.47
Adz
i feel ive I felt out of touch at times throughout the weekend. But all in all, i think it was ah an amazing show. Shall we shall we talk just straight into the Oz National?

00:02:35.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So let's just get to the biscuits. Yeah. Yeah.

00:02:39.08
Adz
um And we've also got some some interesting stuff. It's not all about the Oz National. Just going to be the first segment. Russell told me I can't use the whole episode to whinge and complain.

00:02:46.83
Russell Gibson
Well, initially I said you can have five minutes to complain, but we're going to limit that to 15 minutes now. So, yeah.

00:02:51.32
Adz
i've I've negotiated it out. it's um We have some listeners that are eager to hear my tirade, I believe.

00:03:00.79
Adz
They're going to be bitterly disappointed. I'm going to be incredibly diplomatic. Actually, no, I'm probably not. Let's be fair. um

00:03:06.01
Russell Gibson
Oz Nationals, classic cards, just some market moving in the in the NBA at the moment. I also made a list of who's signing with Panini at the moment, so we can go through that list.

00:03:16.22
Adz
Okay. Nice.

00:03:17.24
Russell Gibson
And then just some other general NBA news to finish out the show.

00:03:20.02
Adz
Cool.

00:03:20.10
Russell Gibson
But without further ado, let's talk about the Oz Nationals. I know you've got a lot you want to get off your chest. I'm giving you the open floor. I'm just going to sit here and and have a drink.

00:03:26.75
Adz
right.

00:03:29.09
Adz
Really? oh I was going to, because I thought your summary would be very quick. I i thought I could um piggyback off your opening.

00:03:36.85
Russell Gibson
If you want me to go first, I definitely can um my

00:03:38.98
Adz
Yeah. Because you'll take about 30 seconds, I reckon.

00:03:41.08
Russell Gibson
So my experience was i went Sunday only. I didn't go on the Saturday. i had a ah very wonderful experience. I actually feel like it was very well populated in terms of the number of people that was attending it and also the number of vendors that was there.

00:03:57.31
Russell Gibson
I think that if you didn't want Pokemon, there was a lot of Pokemon there. So, you know, you can take that for however you will, but I didn't feel like it was overpowering.

00:04:08.58
Russell Gibson
um I felt like there was a lot of NBA there. I felt people were very willing to talk to you. And I feel like I had some really good conversations with people. I think that, I'm getting better at trading with people or just having the conversation around it.

00:04:24.56
Russell Gibson
And I actually just really enjoyed just taking out my cards out of my trading box and, you know, trying to get some deals with people. I feel like I got some good deals.

00:04:32.23
Adz
Mmm.

00:04:32.84
Russell Gibson
I feel like I did one bad deal that that's my own fault. And, you know, that's not, it's not actually the vendor's fault. I'm an idiot for saying yes.

00:04:39.84
Adz
Yeah, fair.

00:04:39.88
Russell Gibson
um But other than that, mate, no, look, I had a really good time. i think we should congratulate the guys for the organization of it. And,

00:04:48.29
Adz
Mmm. Mmm. Most certainly. like

00:04:49.48
Russell Gibson
I think Connor

00:04:54.08
Russell Gibson
has done a fantastic job and i think that they're very self-effacing and they were very much like sort of deflecting the, you know, the compliments that I was trying to give them tonight. But honestly, i really hope that they feel proud of themselves and just, you know, feel a great sense of achievement of what they pulled off because yeah.

00:05:09.72
Adz
Certainly. Yeah.

00:05:11.50
Russell Gibson
So yeah, that's it for me.

00:05:12.36
Adz
Huge show.

00:05:13.24
Russell Gibson
I'm done.

00:05:13.49
Adz
That is, that is it. Okay.

00:05:14.87
Russell Gibson
I'm putting my mic on mute. I'm going to let you just unload. Okay. I'll be back in 10 minutes.

00:05:18.15
Adz
God, this is, oh goodness gracious.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:05:20.26
Adz
I might need you to, to bounce some, some, some things off, but um I'm not, I'm not, i'm not going to go and fully lose the plot.

00:05:23.74
Russell Gibson
Of course.

00:05:27.36
Adz
I went on the Saturday and I did, I didn't go in a podcasting capacity. capacity I actually took my partner ah for her first cut for reverse card show.

00:05:39.15
Adz
um the children were going to come along, but they had other plans. So it was just the two of us. And I'm kind of glad that was that was the experience because i think after two hours,

00:05:52.45
Russell Gibson
Wrangling kids is another to degree of difficulty again. Yeah.

00:05:56.49
Adz
well, it was just the two of us. And it was, it was as I said, it was her first card show. And I ah don't think it was a great first impression.

00:06:07.54
Adz
It was wall to wall people. Now don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining about there being lots of people. I think it's fantastic. This show sold out and it's a credit to the organizers, as you've said.

00:06:14.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:19.85
Adz
However, the patrons, I feel like you there needs to be a little bit of a, a mental adjustment to being at a card show when there are lots of people coming in with backpacks that are a foot like deep into bumper to bumper crowds expecting to take over tables.

00:06:39.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:06:39.83
Adz
And it's like, just know you know the environment you're in and have respect and courtesy for the other people in the area. There were people sort of trying to set up over the top of cabinets and and force their way into dealing with vendors.

00:06:58.02
Adz
um i but I'm going to shout out Cherry because I think the way they have their operation set up, and let me be very clear, they're smooth operators because they've done it for years, but they very much have a very clear product section.

00:07:11.50
Russell Gibson
And they've also invested in a lot of table space too. So I think that helps there.

00:07:13.91
Adz
Correct, correct, correct.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:15.54
Adz
But they've got the product space, they have their cabinets, and then they have a section where they're buying. And that's where the deals get done, right?

00:07:23.44
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:07:23.58
Adz
There's no... there's no areas overlapping and while it was three people deep, at least you knew where you needed to be patient and wait.

00:07:34.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:35.59
Adz
And there was a little bit of organization there. I can't say the same for some of the other vendors deeper into the to the section. And you're right, you're very right. It's due to the amount of space. It's very limiting if you've only got a couple of tables.

00:07:47.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:47.81
Adz
um That said, I'm not putting it on the vendors.

00:07:49.44
Russell Gibson
oh can i can i defend Can I defend something else there though?

00:07:51.64
Adz
um'm not putting it on the vendors

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:07:53.27
Adz
yeah

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Russell Gibson
So I think like the vendor part's interesting for me because, so from what I understand, the pricing at this particular event is significantly cheaper than say, even Hobby Hangout and the other one, which was, what was called?

00:08:04.67
Russell Gibson
CollectFest or, yeah.

00:08:05.28
Adz
Collect first.

00:08:06.73
Russell Gibson
So allegedly it could be up to three times cheaper. So I think that could then also attract people who may not be, and I'm saying this in the kindest way possible. They might not be professional. So they're more kind of like, do you know what i mean Like people who are kind of like doing it as a hobby might not be as well, you know, machined might not be as well practiced.

00:08:17.51
Adz
ah Yeah. i look

00:08:24.07
Adz
I completely get that.

00:08:25.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:08:25.84
Adz
And there there are vendors that were down the other end of the venue, not the entry point that,

00:08:29.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And I like those vendors too, man. I think there's something good about that, you know, and that's, I think that's a really tough, tough to balance.

00:08:34.63
Adz
Once again, it's alert it's a learning experience from the vendors.

00:08:36.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah Yeah.

00:08:38.45
Adz
My gripe this weekend wasn't with the vendors. Look, they could organize their tables a bit differently, sure, um but it was the patrons.

00:08:41.60
Russell Gibson
No, of course. Yeah.

00:08:46.33
Adz
I think and not all of them, but there were a lot of people that were not mindful of those around them, and there was a lot of not conflict. It was just, um ah it left a bad taste in my mouth early on when it was really busy on the Saturday.

00:09:05.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:06.45
Adz
And I, and I felt like, and yeah, yeah, cool.

00:09:06.48
Russell Gibson
A bit

00:09:09.44
Adz
I'll joke around and say, I feel like a grumpy old man saying it, but there are a lot of people that were rude and disrespectful at the venue.

00:09:09.67
Russell Gibson
hustle and bustle.

00:09:12.91
Russell Gibson
Just say it. Yeah.

00:09:16.91
Adz
And it was like, I don't know if it's a lack of social etiquette. It's a lack of social understanding. It's the fact that I'm older and grew up in a different time

00:09:25.37
Russell Gibson
I think it's FOMO.

00:09:25.48
Adz
and

00:09:26.25
Russell Gibson
I think it's people in a very enclosed space. Yeah.

00:09:29.82
Adz
but But for me, it was like, why is there a need to be rude and hustle and bustle? And what gives you the right to make other people's experience less pleasant?

00:09:40.94
Adz
and And that's my biggest, that's the thing that I sort of, that stuck with me for the weekend.

00:09:45.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.

00:09:46.31
Adz
and And I think I was impacted by that because obviously everyone's like, geez, you're grumpy.

00:09:46.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:09:49.91
Adz
I i i wasn't. By the end of Saturday, I was feeling a lot better. I had, i think after two o'clock, um, because i think we spent two or three hours there and then my partner had to go home to the children.

00:10:03.25
Adz
I we came back to the venue, very compact.

00:10:08.03
Russell Gibson
I think that lunchtime is often like the peak though, isn't it too?

00:10:11.27
Adz
It was still pretty busy, but i but as the day progressed and and pitted out, the crowds dissipated to a point where I finally got to see cabinets.

00:10:11.27
Russell Gibson
I think that's sort of, yeah.

00:10:21.74
Russell Gibson
Mm-hmm.

00:10:22.52
Adz
um I finally got to to actually interact at some stands and buy a couple of cards. So it was it it was not the most pleasant start to the day. I'm umm not saying it was poorly organised, maybe the sellout, maybe some adjustments could have been made after sellout. I've heard some amazing thoughts and rumours about expansion of this venue and I'd like to hear what's happening ah next year because I like the show and I think this is this is a ah fantastic event.

00:10:54.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:54.14
Adz
um

00:10:54.24
Russell Gibson
I think would probably say me talking to people was people were just very complimentary about the same. Like, you know, the action was good, like in terms of, you know, getting deals done.

00:10:59.03
Adz
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:11:02.65
Russell Gibson
And also too, I feel like in other years gone by, it's been like, Oh, this year, everybody just wanted to sell. No one was buying or everyone was buying.

00:11:09.09
Adz
Mm-hmm. It was two-way. There was a bit of two-way.

00:11:11.80
Russell Gibson
But whereas this way you you're talking to vendors and they're like, yeah, I've sold heaps of stuff, but I also bought heaps of stuff.

00:11:14.30
Adz
Yeah, we we're finally.

00:11:17.53
Russell Gibson
And yeah,

00:11:17.90
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:18.89
Russell Gibson
I think that's a really interesting, and I think we're going to, we're going to talk ah more about this like later on in the show in terms of like market moving.

00:11:19.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:11:21.39
Adz
It's a shift.

00:11:26.79
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:11:27.31
Russell Gibson
But I think that's a really interesting one. And, you know, we're going to talk about hobby health later on. I think now's a really good time to slide this into. It's like, that was probably my impression today of like, I've always felt like the hobby has been pretty good in Australia.

00:11:33.31
Adz
ah Yeah.

00:11:39.58
Russell Gibson
But when you see stuff like that and you sort of hear those, like, you know, a number of people saying, yeah, like I've had a really good day.

00:11:44.75
Adz
yeah oh

00:11:46.03
Russell Gibson
Like, and I had a better day yesterday and today was good, but yesterday was better. But, you know, I'm like, okay, maybe, you know, things are actually, you know, looking pretty good at the moment.

00:11:49.99
Adz
Yep.

00:11:53.26
Adz
Yep.

00:11:54.25
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.

00:11:54.30
Adz
Yep. so So as I said, like it were overall, over the two days, today was fantastic.

00:12:00.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:00.48
Adz
um

00:12:00.56
Russell Gibson
I actually had a very enjoyable day today.

00:12:01.96
Adz
there was There was no point where...

00:12:02.48
Russell Gibson
Like I've, I left the event feeling very happy today.

00:12:04.86
Adz
e Yeah,

00:12:06.64
Russell Gibson
That that was my experience. Yeah.

00:12:08.72
Adz
were a couple of points through the day where I was just like, I don't think vendor tables with multiple binders to go through is conducive to a big card show.

00:12:21.26
Adz
Because I'm like, well, I want to look through a binder.

00:12:21.51
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:12:23.55
Adz
um you know You don't get to stand there because people are trying to do deals over the top of them. People... but It was a very uncomfortable space for me.

00:12:32.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so

00:12:32.74
Adz
um And I just, maybe the big shows aren't the space for it is is my observation.

00:12:37.72
Russell Gibson
sure. if they don't have binders and they don't have boxes, what in your mind, where would they, what would they be doing?

00:12:45.71
Adz
Like it's display cabinets. It's, I mean, maybe maybe the singles boxes are the the thing, but I think it's gotta be a ah minor part to understand traffic flow in a big sold out show.

00:12:51.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:57.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:58.80
Adz
I feel like it's hard to just stop and look through a whole set of eight binders or something.

00:13:04.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:13:04.95
Adz
like And it was, I just wanted to look at one or two binders to see what wares people had. And it was, it was a, cause I was trying, my goal this weekend was to learn a bit about Pokemon.

00:13:17.26
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:13:17.84
Adz
Like it's, it's taking, ah it's taken over the world. It's been here for a while now. but it's this tidal wave. And I wanted to get a deeper understanding. wanted to talk to people. No one wanted to talk.

00:13:28.24
Adz
Everyone, and everyone, this is patrons, wanted to just barge in and get, get in first. I'm like, I just want to look at cards. I'm like, I'm wanting to buy a couple of small things to get me started.

00:13:41.69
Adz
wanted some, some advice from collectors I mean, don't get me wrong, there were lot of very nice people that I met through through the weekend, but there were just a lot of abrasive people that I felt I haven't experienced that from the sports collectors.

00:13:55.03
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:13:55.93
Adz
um

00:13:56.63
Russell Gibson
So you're blaming these evil Pokemon people coming in and spoiling our hobby?

00:14:00.62
Adz
Well, i'm I'm blaming people that probably aren't used to huge shows like this.

00:14:05.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:05.54
Adz
I think it's ah it's an environment that they're not commonly ah used to, And I think that the shows that they attend to or the stores that they normally frequent are different.

00:14:17.00
Adz
And the the idea of a trade, the the big show, a card show is different to what they're used to. And um I'm obviously used to this and I'm like it expecting a certain um level of etiquette.

00:14:32.59
Adz
And I don't think that was followed. that was where That's where my nose got out of joint and that is what it is. on the pro On the positive side,

00:14:39.95
Russell Gibson
Just one second. Just for vendors who do have um boxes and binders, I love them. So yes, Adams doesn't think it's great, but I'm very pro boxes.

00:14:47.05
Adz
That's the thing. i I love them. I just don't like it when there are 6,000 people and there's a hundred people trying to look at one binder.

00:14:53.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah, the logistics is difficult. And I experienced that too, by the way.

00:14:56.27
Adz
Yeah.

00:14:56.50
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, this is something I just quite, this is something ah very enjoyable for me.

00:14:56.91
Adz
Yeah.

00:15:00.07
Adz
And, and normally I would have a solution.

00:15:02.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:02.90
Adz
Normally I would have a solution. My recommendation is shows like this, use, use it for your cabinets, your displays and use it as a driver to drive people to where you sell.

00:15:16.84
Russell Gibson
Mm-mm.

00:15:18.15
Adz
virtual binders, ah websites, et cetera. Like if you're ah if you're local, drag them to your local store because one thing Cherry didn't have, it's the wall of dollar boxes to go through because that's at their store.

00:15:31.39
Adz
And that's that's what I mean. Like it was – I know there's a time and a place. I just – I felt like with thousands of people there and wall-to-wall people, it was very difficult, and that's not a bad thing, not a good thing. I'm just – I was affected in a – I felt – a negative impact.

00:15:49.24
Russell Gibson
Look.

00:15:49.40
Adz
And normally I do have a solution for, for how you'd have it. I don't know if you section it off differently. If you, if there's um etiquette rules that are displayed, i don't know, but

00:16:01.00
Russell Gibson
and And that ah might be part of their evolution too. because So this is my understanding.

00:16:04.21
Adz
yeah.

00:16:04.97
Russell Gibson
This is the second year of them doing a show. Let's just rewind back the clock a little bit.

00:16:07.28
Adz
True.

00:16:08.77
Russell Gibson
when Remember when Hobby Hangout was in that you know quite small venue? And I think they outgrew that venue, right?

00:16:13.37
Adz
Oh yeah And I, I complained nonstop for that day. Yeah. I said, yeah.

00:16:17.30
Russell Gibson
So and maybe this is what, at the end of the day, maybe this is all we're talking about. The reality is the Oz National has become so popular, they've essentially outgrown that venue as a single floor thing.

00:16:21.69
Adz
Outgrowing and evolution.

00:16:26.64
Adz
Excellent. 100%. 100%.

00:16:28.03
Russell Gibson
So maybe next year it becomes a

00:16:30.38
Adz
one hundred percent

00:16:30.68
Russell Gibson
two floor or a three floor event. Yeah.

00:16:32.90
Adz
one hundred percent

00:16:33.25
Russell Gibson
Let's, let's start to round this off. a Let's, let's finish off with some positive things. Talk to me about things that you actually enjoyed while you were there. And maybe even you're going to, you know, fondly recollect about this in, in a week, once the bad taste is out of your mouth.

00:16:47.17
Adz
look, as I said, it was only the first half of Saturday that left a be lift a bad taste.

00:16:47.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:51.31
Adz
The second half of Saturday was fantastic. I went home, watched the football. I wasn't upset with the result because I don't bag for Collingwood.

00:16:57.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:59.02
Adz
um I picked up at the show a So the first card I saw was...

00:17:02.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah, what'd you get, man?

00:17:05.96
Adz
I thought i saw a little um group that was selling some movie cards from Topps, and I saw a Lord of the Rings lot of on-card autos.

00:17:14.66
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay.

00:17:15.93
Adz
So... I picked up a an Andy Serkis autograph on a Golem, which I thought was pretty cool, bit different, iconic character.

00:17:26.63
Russell Gibson
A precious card. Hmm.

00:17:27.83
Adz
Very precious. Very precious indeed. um So that was my sort of pop culture purchase. i Over the two days, I'm not going to say which days I bought what, I have acquired a bunch of Slowpokes and Psyducks, which are Pokemon cards. I've got Misty, Psyduck,

00:17:46.34
Adz
um i've got it

00:17:47.39
Russell Gibson
that's Bill Cosby's favorite Pokemon.

00:17:51.91
Adz
thanks thanks i'm gonna have to change change pokemon now i've got a tag team psyduck and slowpoke which was kind of cool um just a few slow bros that i thought were interesting and a couple of gyarados it was just like i just wanted to buy a couple of cards that i like the look of and a pikachu of course because

00:17:53.40
Russell Gibson
Sorry.

00:17:56.74
Russell Gibson
Sorry, mate.

00:18:00.03
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:18:09.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:18:11.17
Adz
Who doesn't love Pikachu?

00:18:12.99
Russell Gibson
That's right.

00:18:13.06
Adz
um I also went and saw our went and saw our friend Darren at the Melbourne Cartel.

00:18:14.13
Russell Gibson
It's the goat.

00:18:19.03
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Shout out to Darren and OG.

00:18:21.19
Adz
um he He had his, um just his normal repacks out, which I bought one of those. And that was the, and I ah ah was lucky enough to pull the Austin Reeves number to 25 auto.

00:18:32.45
Russell Gibson
Not bad for Lakers fan.

00:18:33.02
Adz
and

00:18:33.53
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:18:33.94
Adz
Yes, very very much so. So um that was that was a lot of fun. I then got a couple of the El Chapos. the new repacks that he's come out with. And I got the License to Dominate, Paolo Banchero, numbered?

00:18:48.69
Adz
um but No, I don't know. Not numbered, but it's PSA 10, which is one of the hits. I also got a Derek Lively Signature Choice Rookie. Auto.

00:19:01.72
Russell Gibson
I don't mind lively.

00:19:03.06
Adz
Lively's all right.

00:19:04.05
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:19:04.47
Adz
Nice little card. Not a color match. It's a red card. So um traded off a Kobe. as part of a deal. And then I acquired a number to 25 purple Magic Johnson on card auto, which is lovely.

00:19:20.52
Adz
Got rid of a couple of Randalls, a few Kobe's and including a PSA seven. I then went and so ah secured myself a 1999 skybox um Kobe Bryant EX numbered, not numbered, sorry, but PSA nine.

00:19:35.54
Russell Gibson
Okay.

00:19:35.68
Adz
So a bit of an upgrade there. And last but not least, I got a status symbols to 125, Scotty Pippen.

00:19:47.91
Russell Gibson
I think you might need to do a post on this this week. and I think terms of the pictures and the, I think it'll turn out heaps better.

00:19:50.19
Adz
I will. I'll just, I'll take, I'll take some, I'll take some photos. I will, um I'll do a video. I'll talk, my haul.

00:19:56.61
Russell Gibson
When people can look at your post with the audio, you know.

00:19:59.53
Adz
That's it. They can, well, if they're on YouTube, they can, they can, they and you can go back and watch this on YouTube. Don't worry.

00:20:05.45
Russell Gibson
That's true.

00:20:06.79
Adz
You can see it live when I'm faffing around trying to show cards to the screen. But yeah, I'm in into Pokemon now, which is to the dismay of some people. But, you know, umm um I'm in.

00:20:19.43
Adz
I learned a lot about Pokemon today. And I tell you what. Shout out to the vendors that were willing to just have a chat and explain it to me. I wasn't there to spend big dollars, but I was there to understand.

00:20:30.26
Adz
And I thought they're going to be such a big part.

00:20:30.58
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:20:33.05
Adz
They've become such a big part of our hobby. I really just wanted some clarification and understanding. So yeah, it was it was a good day.

00:20:38.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:20:39.51
Adz
I had a ah great day and a half and ah it was ah it was a bad start to it. But yeah, next time I'm sure the venue will be ready. Food and drink options would be nice. But anyway.

00:20:49.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah. The food and drink was weird. Wasn't it? It was like one shop, one guy making coffee.

00:20:53.03
Adz
Yeah, because – yeah.

00:20:54.47
Russell Gibson
I felt bad for that guy. He was working as hard as he could, but geez, he was under the pump.

00:20:58.93
Adz
but But look, yeah, there's all it's always it's all feedback, um all positive. Look, I think it's the hobby's in a really good spot, um and now I've i've gone for my full quota of 15 minutes plus the five-minute intro.

00:21:06.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:10.82
Russell Gibson
It's all good.

00:21:11.89
Adz
So –

00:21:13.24
Russell Gibson
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00:21:25.10
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00:21:39.16
Russell Gibson
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00:22:05.78
Russell Gibson
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00:22:15.11
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back. How you doing, buddy?

00:22:17.30
Adz
I'm good. I'm good.

00:22:18.36
Russell Gibson
Have you taken a couple of deep breaths? You were looking a little bit red in the face before.

00:22:23.00
Adz
Oh, look, I'm reliving some of the trauma and elation from the the da last couple of days has been tough.

00:22:33.67
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. So this next segment, bear with me. This is what I had in mind of what we would do. We will talk about classic cards, like the obvious, these are the obvious classics.

00:22:45.46
Russell Gibson
And then next week we'll talk about modern classics. So these are cards that might not have gone up in value yet, or you look at the picture and you go, oh, that deserves to be in the conversation as a classic card.

00:22:59.10
Adz
Mmm, okay.

00:23:00.03
Russell Gibson
And then what I thought we'd do is each week as we're building the podcast, we will say, ah this card could be a modern classic. So then we'll add it to the post that we're building up.

00:23:10.65
Russell Gibson
And sort of after a period of time, you know, we might have 10 or 15 cards that's sitting in this post with, you know, the classic card sort of thing. So this is this is my idea ah around it.

00:23:19.00
Adz
Or 20, who knows?

00:23:23.02
Russell Gibson
um Very quickly, when I did put this up onto Instagram, almost someone straight away commented

00:23:30.24
Russell Gibson
that Adam Gray just recently did something very similar to this. I actually didn't see that. I couldn't even find it on his post. But look, Adam Gray, if you are listening, which I'm sure that you're absolutely not, I do apologize if I'm doing some type of copy here unknowingly.

00:23:46.07
Russell Gibson
But hopefully we can do our own spin on this. So I've just brought up a few different ones of what we can talk about. So if you go to Instagram ad, the one that says Russell's Picks,

00:23:52.82
Adz
huh

00:23:55.66
Adz
Instagram. Okay. Yep.

00:23:59.81
Russell Gibson
in the post.

00:24:01.22
Adz
Oh, okay. Yeah. Russell's. Yeah. Yep.

00:24:02.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:02.73
Adz
Yep. Yep. Got it. Got it. Got it.

00:24:03.72
Russell Gibson
We can talk about those ones. And then also too, I've got the nice little list here. All right. So this is not in any particular order. These are just some cards that I wanted to talk about. Now, the first one in the list I've actually labeled as innovation downtown, but it is actually a innovation kaboom.

00:24:23.06
Russell Gibson
I chose the 1314 kaboom because I think ultimately it's the original one,

00:24:28.96
Adz
I don't think it's in order then.

00:24:32.11
Russell Gibson
Oh, no, it's not in order.

00:24:32.62
Adz
The Instagram post.

00:24:34.15
Russell Gibson
But the list is in the in the run.

00:24:36.41
Adz
Oh, okay.

00:24:36.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:37.28
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, no, the Instagram post is definitely, I'm looking at the LeBron tribute dunk. But anyway.

00:24:44.04
Russell Gibson
good. It's all good. and I'll just put a footnote in just so we can edit that out. 24 minutes 40, 24 minutes 50. All right. Sorry, mate. I wasn't very good at explaining that to you.

00:24:58.19
Russell Gibson
So we're looking at the Kobe Bryant and then it'll be the beam team, then the Jambalaya, then the Kobe LeBron, the Kaboom. You with me now?

00:25:08.52
Adz
Yep, I've got the list.

00:25:09.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:09.55
Adz
um umm um play I'm trying to play along.

00:25:12.46
Russell Gibson
That's all good.

00:25:12.49
Adz
I've got it. Innovation downtown. All right, I've got the card ladder.

00:25:18.27
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, yeah, we've got this Kobe Bryant here. And look, to be honest, yes, of course, the Kobe Bryant is an amazing card. It's $23,000.

00:25:24.70
Adz
Do you know what? Do you know what? That card was in the window at Cherry.

00:25:27.00
Russell Gibson
Talk to me.

00:25:30.19
Russell Gibson
I think they're asking $40,000 for it. That was my recollection.

00:25:32.36
Adz
It's true. Yep. Yes.

00:25:35.11
Russell Gibson
However, what I would also point out too, if you buy anything from this 2013 innovation set, like if you get the Anthony Davis, which is currently trading at $900, I think that's a fantastic purchase too. So yeah, I think these are absolutely iconic cards.

00:25:51.24
Russell Gibson
Let's just start off with that. The next one is the Beam Team.

00:25:55.28
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:25:55.67
Russell Gibson
I think in terms of sets that you're like, you know, what are the ones we're going to look back on, you know, very fondly?

00:25:56.02
Adz
Bean team.

00:26:03.29
Russell Gibson
Again, I put the Jordan up here because, you know, it's Michael Jordan. But again, at the same time, I don't think you have to buy the Michael Jordan to get in on it. The Clyde Drexler 1992 Stadium Club is $62.

00:26:11.46
Adz
Mm-hmm. I got a Pippen.

00:26:15.86
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:26:15.88
Russell Gibson
I also would say, you know, that's going to be a pretty good buy moving forward.

00:26:19.18
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:19.83
Russell Gibson
So, you know, there's really...

00:26:21.18
Adz
beam teams Beam teams have been, yeah, there's a Shaq beam team. there's There's plenty of beam teams, yeah.

00:26:24.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. There's sort of two ways you can look at this. You can say, look, I don't want to get the the low end ones, or you can say, actually the low end ones are a good buy because it's in a classic set and moving forward, you know, these ones are going to be great.

00:26:38.15
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Next in list here, we've got the jumble. Look, I was really, ah was really torn on. This was to me was kind of like the hardest one for me to put into it, but ultimately

00:26:47.92
Adz
I'm intrigued why, yeah, it was hard to put in why.

00:26:50.24
Russell Gibson
um

00:26:51.38
Adz
What do you mean?

00:26:52.27
Russell Gibson
Well, I almost just felt like this was a little bit almost cliche because how can I say this?

00:26:55.29
Adz
Old? What do you mean?

00:27:00.54
Russell Gibson
I actually feel like these are overpriced for what they are. And if any of the cards from lith this list, you you know you might go backwards on. i Look, and I could be really wrong about this.

00:27:11.53
Russell Gibson
I just feel like this is, for me, is like the risk out of all of these.

00:27:14.89
Adz
Mmm, mmm.

00:27:15.19
Russell Gibson
This is like the highest risk one. Also too, I think it's a little bit cliche just for the fact that like, i think everybody that you talk to if you ask them what is, you know, a classic card, that you Jambalaya would probably be in their like top one or top two, something like that.

00:27:29.00
Adz
Interesting.

00:27:29.18
Russell Gibson
So I think that was also that sort of part of my head too. Like it just sort of felt like a little bit too obvious.

00:27:34.21
Adz
yeah Okay.

00:27:34.43
Russell Gibson
the

00:27:34.78
Adz
Okay.

00:27:34.88
Russell Gibson
The Jordan PSA 10 is currently now trading at $123,000, which is like, I think for me, once they get more than that sort of $100,000 mark, I find them also like just completely out of reach.

00:27:47.03
Adz
Okay. Yeah.

00:27:50.62
Russell Gibson
like So even, so let's just use the Shaq one as an example. We'll call this like a lower end one. That's still trading for four and a half thousand Yeah. So look, maybe, so maybe I need to rethink about this.

00:28:03.78
Russell Gibson
Maybe actually the one that's out of my reach is the Jordan, but the rest of them I could stomach or I could, you know, look into, look, maybe maybe I need to think about this a little bit more.

00:28:11.62
Adz
ah Interesting. I have one i've one that's not on the list. so

00:28:17.83
Russell Gibson
um Great. You want to chuck it in there?

00:28:19.94
Adz
Scoring Kings.

00:28:21.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. Yeah.

00:28:24.31
Adz
I just thought, as soon as you said classic cards, Scoring Kings.

00:28:26.84
Russell Gibson
This is absolutely not a complete list. Yeah. So scoring Kings.

00:28:29.49
Adz
Yeah, Scoring Kings is but is's just one that I, but we can add to it later.

00:28:30.04
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:34.34
Adz
That's fine.

00:28:34.49
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. Do you have any particular scoring Kings? That's your favorite.

00:28:39.93
Adz
um I love it ah the Jordan one's great.

00:28:42.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:42.17
Adz
I think they're all actually beautiful.

00:28:43.29
Russell Gibson
That's the obvious one, isn't it? Yeah.

00:28:45.02
Adz
um Yeah, I think they're actually all beautiful cards. So the Jordan's iconic.

00:28:50.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:52.85
Adz
But yeah, definitely.

00:28:55.30
Russell Gibson
So just really quickly, the PSA 10 scoring Kings last sold for 23,400. Population that 97. The Jambalaya, $123,000 that sold for. PSA 10, the population on that is 17.

00:29:04.72
Adz
Yeah, it's one of those. It's one of those cuts.

00:29:06.71
Russell Gibson
So...

00:29:09.53
Russell Gibson
the jumbleliar

00:29:12.66
Russell Gibson
hundred and twenty three thousand dollars that's sold for

00:29:15.52
Adz
Wow.

00:29:15.87
Russell Gibson
you say ten ah populationation on that is seventeen so

00:29:19.07
Adz
Really?

00:29:22.35
Russell Gibson
I mean, on that metric, it's not outrageous, really, is it?

00:29:24.79
Adz
no, no.

00:29:24.79
Russell Gibson
When you say it like that.

00:29:26.29
Adz
Oh, I know this one.

00:29:27.49
Russell Gibson
All right. um This next card is actually a card. It's not a set. So sometimes I'm going to pick sets. Sometimes I'm going to choose very specific cards. This is the 2008 Topps Chrome Kobe Bryant.

00:29:40.86
Russell Gibson
um This is the card where it's the horizontal card and he's being defended quite closely by LeBron. So I think for me, why is this a classic card?

00:29:47.62
Adz
Yep.

00:29:50.70
Russell Gibson
I quite like the artwork on it. I quite like it that it's a horizontal card instead of a vertical, despite my actual preference for vertical cards. I also think too, the photography on this card is just captured perfectly.

00:30:02.14
Russell Gibson
Like even, you know, I don't want to go into this like sort of too much, but just the focus on the card, how the background is all blurred out, but you can clearly see it's like people in the crowd, like that type of thing to me.

00:30:09.41
Adz
Yep.

00:30:12.39
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:30:13.56
Russell Gibson
Like, for example, I could put that up as a picture on my wall. And I think that would be just like fantastic piece of photography.

00:30:17.95
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:20.05
Russell Gibson
So it's like all of that put in together.

00:30:20.53
Adz
Yep.

00:30:22.65
Russell Gibson
So for me, this particular card, ah I went through and and looked at them all.

00:30:25.35
Adz
Hmm.

00:30:27.33
Russell Gibson
So I've looked at the base.

00:30:29.25
Adz
Yep.

00:30:30.45
Russell Gibson
PSA 10, that sold for 1,400.

00:30:32.15
Adz
Hmm. yep

00:30:33.99
Russell Gibson
The raw card, that sold for 226. I looked at the BGS 9.5, that sold for 329. Like, honestly, I'm looking at all of these and there's nothing on here that makes me go, like, that's absolutely horrible.

00:30:48.65
Russell Gibson
Stay away from this. You know, you should be worried about it.

00:30:49.90
Adz
Yep. Mm-hmm.

00:30:50.73
Russell Gibson
I just genuinely feel like this is one of these cards where you buy it and you just put it away. And it is genuinely a classic card. The thing i would actually pitch about this card, and I ah want to talk to you about this a little bit.

00:31:06.82
Russell Gibson
like Actually, this is one of the cards that's a genuinely... a top 10 card maybe ever and is this going to start to move into that like jordan-esque mode where doesn't matter what type like whether it's bgs psa you've got the refractor you've got base just like every other jordan card it's just going to slowly trickle up over time that's my question to you about this card yep

00:31:27.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:30.36
Adz
I think, I think,

00:31:34.84
Adz
does this, does this come under? yeah it probably is a classic card, but there's,

00:31:45.98
Russell Gibson
You can call this a modern classic or you could you could say it's XIX.

00:31:48.55
Adz
yeah, I feel like it's that post 2000. Yeah. Yeah.

00:31:53.81
Russell Gibson
And that's fine. This might be like our number one modern classic and I'm totally fine with that.

00:31:54.92
Adz
yeah

00:31:57.69
Russell Gibson
But like for me, like my preference, I just think this is just an all-timer for me. Yeah.

00:32:04.76
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:05.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:05.56
Adz
I mean, I like it. I ah like the card quite a lot. um There are probably others that I would be more in the classic stream.

00:32:14.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:32:16.13
Adz
But yeah, this is definitely one of those that sort of catches the eye in that scene.

00:32:23.44
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, I think I made a mistake in my list here when I was putting this together because I wanted to have like one downtown and one Kaboom, but I think I've gone two Kabooms. That's fine. I'll wear the mistake. 2018 Kaboom, I went through that checklist. I think any of these that you buy in it,

00:32:37.55
Russell Gibson
Not at any price. i think as long as you know you're doing your homework, you know you're not getting like 20% over comps or something like that.

00:32:44.53
Adz
Yeah.

00:32:45.07
Russell Gibson
And I also wanted to do this list too a little bit like, yes, some of this is crazy high end and some of this is like low end. So this is Dennis Smith Jr.

00:32:50.73
Adz
Yep.

00:32:52.14
Russell Gibson
This last sold for $100 USD.

00:32:55.03
Adz
Yep.

00:32:55.63
Russell Gibson
That's sold for raw. Again, I think this is going to be one of those cards. We were talking about this a little bit at card show today.

00:33:00.55
Adz
Earlier, yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:33:02.08
Russell Gibson
It's like a PMG. It could be Sean Elliott. It could be Cedric Zabalos. It's not going to matter in 10 or 20 years time. I think these cards are you know going to be like that. And I think, yeah.

00:33:12.36
Adz
is this is literally the definition of ah of a a modern classic is the Kaboom, right?

00:33:17.07
Russell Gibson
Yep, that's fine. Yeah, and that's fine. This this might be a modern classic. I wanted to put in at least one Prism card because I think at the end of the day, Prism is king.

00:33:26.00
Adz
Yep.

00:33:26.03
Russell Gibson
The design that I chose was the 2015 Prism card.

00:33:29.54
Adz
Interesting choice. Yeah.

00:33:30.74
Russell Gibson
The example that I used was the Nicola Jokic. I like this because there's no actual border on the card. It's kind of like built into the design, and there's something about that I think is very...

00:33:37.67
Adz
Yeah.

00:33:43.39
Russell Gibson
And there's some symmetry on the card. There's some kind of like cool shapes that they put into the background where it could be maybe a pyramid. It could be a triangle. It could be a square. Look, I just like the whole thing. it's It's interesting enough, but it's also plain enough. Like sometimes for me, I just want a good plain card. And I think for me, this ticks off just so many boxes for that. So I'm going to go with this.

00:34:04.09
Russell Gibson
I don't really want to talk about Nicole Jokic in particular.

00:34:07.33
Adz
i'm i'm I'm not...

00:34:07.81
Russell Gibson
It's more about the...

00:34:08.33
Adz
um um'm

00:34:10.74
Russell Gibson
Yeah. um Should we go for a break and then we can come back and we can do like some of like my picks.

00:34:18.18
Adz
Let's do it.

00:34:18.92
Russell Gibson
Cool.

00:34:21.70
Russell Gibson
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00:34:32.44
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00:34:56.99
Russell Gibson
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00:35:08.62
Russell Gibson
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00:35:22.65
Russell Gibson
adam we're back part three of this week's show is my picks now just going to whip through this in two minutes okay modern classic for me the lebron james kobe bryant tribute dunk

00:35:23.89
Adz
We're back.

00:35:39.98
Russell Gibson
Kareem or Lou Alcindor rookie card where it was that super skinny card.

00:35:43.28
Adz
huh

00:35:45.46
Russell Gibson
i just love this card. This for me is like, Oh, here we go. Here's the downtown that I didn't put into the list before. I chose the studio year. I think for me, again, this particular year is just so nostalgic.

00:35:58.38
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:58.68
Russell Gibson
I love the artwork in it. And really interesting. I feel like even the artwork stands up today. You know, sometimes when you look back at art sets, you're like, oh, you can see the foundation of it and they've progressed it and they've improved it every year. No, the storytelling, the graphics in this is just fantastic already.

00:36:14.25
Russell Gibson
The Gaboom, I've already spoken about. The Beam team we've covered. um This one is probably like you might quite appreciate this one. This is the Larry Bird, Dr. J, Magic Johnson, triple rookie card for Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, LeBron.

00:36:24.79
Adz
My favorite,

00:36:30.92
Adz
The one that I don't that that I don't think is a rookie card.

00:36:31.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:36:33.95
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:36:34.63
Adz
Yep.

00:36:35.86
Russell Gibson
I had to put in Jordan's Fleer card. I didn't think we needed to talk about that just for the fact that, you know, does it really need to be said? This is an absolute um classic card in this one here.

00:36:46.94
Russell Gibson
Jambalaya. Great. So that's all of them. We've captured them all here. We did have a couple of Facebook comments. I just want to really quickly get to this.

00:36:56.87
Russell Gibson
George Gialaris, thank you so much, mate, for commenting. He's put in Flawless and Upper Deck Exquisite. And if you had to pick one, he said Upper Deck 2003 Exquisite is his favorite cards.

00:37:09.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I think out of those sets, the Exquisite cards have actually produced some absolute bangers, haven't they? So the card that's coming to my mind is like... the patch autographs from Jordan, LeBron rookie patch autographs that all came out of Exquisite.

00:37:20.16
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:24.43
Russell Gibson
You know, that stuff was like today's Flawless or...

00:37:31.28
Russell Gibson
you know, really good national treasures, that type of stuff. Ryan Miller, did you vote in Adam Gray's, the real guy, 25 or 25? No, I didn't. The results from that and the 80-ish card shortlist is pretty much the answer to this question. Yeah, I actually, I couldn't even find it online.

00:37:45.81
Adz
yeah

00:37:46.41
Russell Gibson
So I probably need to chase that up. What cards else do you want to talk about as we round out this and we move on to the next topic?

00:37:53.49
Adz
um ah Look, I think you've hit all the big ones to to to sort of start with. um I think we as we go, like through the 90s, there were a lot.

00:38:05.19
Adz
I mean, I touched on scoring kings. I remember sets that had different ones. I remember center stage.

00:38:11.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

00:38:13.23
Adz
Actually, Scotty James today at the show saw the Michael Jordan center stage. And that was one of those, don't know if it's because it's a Jordan, but I remember like the Shaq center stage.

00:38:22.72
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:38:23.44
Adz
But it's one of those, um those i don't know, some of those iconic insert sets, they're the lower end stuff. I mean, obviously we go to the to the higher end, the kabooms, the downtowns that we're experiencing at the moment.

00:38:39.60
Russell Gibson
sure

00:38:40.21
Adz
um I guess from my side of things, I just want to ah I'm really looking forward to seeing, and this is, not um blowing smoke up of our friends at at Tops or Fanatics, but I'm looking forward to what they bring in the coming years because I think we've got our modern classics from Panini.

00:39:02.84
Adz
I think we had a few things from Upper Deck. There wasn't a lot. But the Panini era brought us some some really nice case hits.

00:39:15.85
Russell Gibson
As much as people have complained about Panini, A, they took over something that no one even wanted to touch on, created some amazing cards, created some amazing artwork...

00:39:23.47
Adz
Yep.

00:39:26.24
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:29.40
Adz
Hmm.

00:39:32.35
Russell Gibson
And yeah, I've really built up a product line that actually i think is going to be quite hard for tops to fit into.

00:39:35.72
Adz
Yep.

00:39:40.57
Russell Gibson
I was actually talking to someone about this today. So I'll do this really quickly before we like go into a massive tangent.

00:39:47.34
Russell Gibson
I don't think people realize how much product Panini are making at the moment.

00:39:51.40
Adz
Yeah.

00:39:52.14
Russell Gibson
And I'm actually worried that if tops can't fill that vacuum prices, like we're talking about prices being high now, like what if price product doubles in the next couple of years?

00:40:04.04
Russell Gibson
Like if scarcity becomes a thing, like,

00:40:08.66
Russell Gibson
know why wouldn't the after sales drive the market crazy? And actually, this is the perfect segue into our next topic. So our next topic is basically just the current index. I wanted to talk to you about this.

00:40:20.03
Russell Gibson
I got here just basically hobby news. Let's just see if we can quickly get through this.

00:40:22.75
Adz
yep Call it hobby. Yeah.

00:40:24.41
Russell Gibson
yeah So if you go to card letter, indexes and basketball, look look at stats and you look at the all-time graph. If you just click that link there, you'll bring it up.

00:40:35.98
Russell Gibson
It's the current

00:40:36.09
Adz
i was doing it I was doing it manually.

00:40:37.92
Russell Gibson
Current index. Yeah. So if at home, you can follow those instructions though.

00:40:39.16
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:41.85
Russell Gibson
So look, let's just keep this really simple because I'm not a maths wizard, but the peak, which was 23,735 is during COVID.

00:40:53.34
Russell Gibson
Then we went through this period where things obviously went down and we all we all felt that we've been through it.

00:40:53.66
Adz
Yeah.

00:40:57.24
Adz
The dip. That was the dip.

00:41:01.08
Russell Gibson
There were some good times. There were some bad times. We are now almost halfway back up that mountain. So, and I think that's a really interesting, so let's just tie up that piece of information to back what we saw the last couple of days at Hobby Hangout.

00:41:08.99
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:41:15.70
Russell Gibson
People saying they sold out all their inventory. They were buying and they were selling. And I really feel like this little, this graph here actually really rings true to me about what's happening in the hobby at the moment.

00:41:21.70
Adz
yeah

00:41:29.99
Adz
yeah

00:41:31.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Current indexes, this is from, sorry, market move is,

00:41:39.63
Russell Gibson
This is from Skybox CT. Shaquille O'Neal up 12%. Kobe Bryant up 10%. I agree with that. Scottie Pippen, your boy, up 9%. John Stockton up 8.5%.

00:41:50.19
Russell Gibson
eight point five percent I would put that directly to him being in Kendrick Lamar's song.

00:41:53.76
Adz
To me. Oh,

00:41:56.65
Russell Gibson
Hakeem Olajuwon up 7%.

00:41:56.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:58.43
Russell Gibson
That's good for my PC. Cooper Flagg down 20%. That's super interesting to me because we haven't really seen him in any product yet. So is that is that the university crash before the pro stuff comes out?

00:42:08.71
Adz
Yeah.

00:42:12.55
Russell Gibson
That makes sense. Caitlin Clark down 7%. We spoke about that last week already. We knew that. Devin Booker down 7%. I can't explain that. What's your thought on Devin Booker being down?

00:42:24.33
Adz
Have you seen what's been happening to the Phoenix Suns?

00:42:27.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but like that's not directly related to book, is it?

00:42:31.66
Adz
Well, it's the team he leads. He's the only player on that team at the moment, really. Look, I think their future's in ah in a bit of jeopardy. um I don't know. maybe Maybe people have gone cold on Booker.

00:42:44.44
Adz
I don't know if the the hobby itself was ever really hot on Booker, but yeah.

00:42:48.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:42:52.69
Russell Gibson
This is from sports cards, nonsense, the top five highest grossing platforms for cards and sealed wax in August. eBay at 300 million fanatics at 37 heritage at 33 golden's auction at 14.

00:43:04.54
Russell Gibson
So what I take away from this is this is almost like for me, PSA at the top.

00:43:04.73
Adz
Yep.

00:43:08.81
Adz
Yeah.

00:43:09.05
Russell Gibson
And then everyone else like just taking the crumbs at the bottom after that. I would say what's probably interesting to me is that fanatics are now second on the ladder. i think that's a really interesting one.

00:43:20.92
Russell Gibson
And I think the heritage one is also interesting too, in the fact that, that they've beat Goldens by almost double. Because in my mind, like, Goldens is always, you know, in the news, they're on social media, they've got their own TV show, but actually, they're only doing half of that.

00:43:29.20
Adz
yeah

00:43:34.58
Adz
Yeah. 100%. 100%.

00:43:35.79
Russell Gibson
So that's an interesting one. But eBay is clearly the industry leader in this space. And and yeah.

00:43:40.47
Adz
ah hundred percent hundred percent

00:43:42.37
Russell Gibson
Calendar releases for basketball cards. This is from Beckett. I'm not going to go through every single release. However, what I am going to really quickly just talk to you about is what we are expecting in September and October for basketball.

00:43:54.44
Adz
m

00:43:56.98
Russell Gibson
It's wild. Panini one-on-one basketball.

00:44:05.01
Russell Gibson
Then going down to you Immaculate on the 24th of September. Obviously, that's basketball too. Topps Royalty Basketball on the 25th. Flawless on the 26th.

00:44:13.24
Adz
Yep.

00:44:16.47
Adz
Yep.

00:44:16.93
Russell Gibson
Going into October, we've got Panini Black Basketball, which I really hate that product. I don't understand why we need that product.

00:44:23.28
Adz
Hmm.

00:44:26.37
Russell Gibson
Then we keep going down here. Donruss WNBA on the sixteenth

00:44:32.11
Russell Gibson
impeccable WNBA in November the 6th, Eminence basketball on the 28th of November. And I actually thought that the license was gone in October. So I'm a little bit surprised to see basketball coming out like down this farther line, but it's still there.

00:44:47.27
Russell Gibson
And then after that, there's nothing more. So it's all going to be

00:44:52.79
Russell Gibson
tops after that. I think that's, I think Eminence is the last one and then that's it. yeah.

00:44:58.17
Adz
Wow. So wait, wait, wait.

00:44:59.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:59.89
Adz
so November. So wait a second. So that like it's next year that the but we get basketball from tops. Surely not.

00:45:11.66
Russell Gibson
No, November this year.

00:45:13.13
Adz
Okay.

00:45:13.15
Russell Gibson
norva but November 25. Yeah.

00:45:15.61
Adz
Okay.

00:45:16.28
Russell Gibson
No, but I thought October they were going to be doing it last. So it seems to me like they've almost been given another month's grace on that.

00:45:19.70
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:45:24.27
Russell Gibson
I'm going to jump around in the run sheet a little bit.

00:45:24.37
Adz
Maybe.

00:45:25.99
Russell Gibson
This is the next one is, this is the perfect time to link this in. Flawless photo sold out for $40,000 per case. This story, less sports.

00:45:33.29
Adz
Far out.

00:45:35.50
Russell Gibson
And I think they, they raised a really good point. It's like, how much are these breaks going to be costing? If the base cost of a box is 60,000 Australian dollars a box, like that to me, like really hurts my brain.

00:45:50.80
Russell Gibson
And I think also to, I find that a little bit surprising because like that is an extreme amount of money. And and realistically, what what are you going to get out of it to get your sixty k back?

00:46:06.60
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, true.

00:46:09.37
Russell Gibson
And if they saw, let's just say he's telling the truth. Like, it's not like Blaise is God and everything he says is gospel. Like, I don't think that, but let's just say, let's just say some of this is true and some of it's not true.

00:46:16.76
Adz
no No, no, no, no, of course not.

00:46:21.06
Russell Gibson
Okay. so let's just say so some of the boxes even sold for 20 K.

00:46:24.74
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:46:25.22
Russell Gibson
Right. And he doesn't know about it or or like, or whatever.

00:46:28.09
Adz
Sure.

00:46:29.42
Russell Gibson
But even still that that's still like 30 grand Aussie. Like, again, what are you getting out of these boxes? It's going to like, you know, and break even on it.

00:46:36.18
Adz
What is going to...

00:46:37.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:37.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:46:38.35
Russell Gibson
So I find that like quite interesting. The other thing I find quite interesting about that is because the doctor the Dutch auctions is direct to the public. So it's like, there's no middleman, there's no distributors.

00:46:49.33
Russell Gibson
your're You're bidding and buying off Panini and Panini distributed out to you.

00:46:49.49
Adz
yeah

00:46:53.12
Russell Gibson
So I wonder like the fallout of this is actually Fanatics is seeing this and they're like, right, we can charge $50,000 for high-end box and not blink this. Yeah. and and not even blink on this

00:47:04.12
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:04.30
Russell Gibson
50,000 Aussie, right?

00:47:05.65
Adz
Yep.

00:47:05.76
Russell Gibson
Or we can charge 40,000 Aussie. We still look, look like the good guys. We're still charging, you know, 10 or $20,000 less. And we come back like, you know,

00:47:17.79
Russell Gibson
I'm a little bit lost for words on this, to be honest. Like, where are you at with this man?

00:47:22.02
Adz
um

00:47:25.50
Adz
I feel like there's a group. We'll call it a group. People are, there's some serious money in this hobby right now.

00:47:32.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, there's tears in this hobby, isn't there? And I think this is an example of that.

00:47:34.76
Adz
And and there are some there are some serious players in the hobby.

00:47:35.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:38.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:39.72
Adz
And I feel like it's one of those things where it's like, this is that club.

00:47:47.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:48.28
Adz
It's the, like, it i don't know.

00:47:50.11
Russell Gibson
These are the high rollers, the VIPs.

00:47:52.49
Adz
Correct.

00:47:53.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:54.38
Adz
I don't know if we've got people joining forces to to buy into these things together, but...

00:47:59.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:01.92
Adz
Maybe it's just a a dinner party thing. they Like everybody's saying that basketball sports cards are the new thing to do. So let's grab a case for dinner, for a dinner party or a poker night.

00:48:10.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:12.53
Adz
What are we going to do? going to have a break two hours in and we're goingnna bust a case of cards.

00:48:17.25
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:18.25
Adz
Like I can't ah fathom life in that world, but that would be cool, hey?

00:48:23.11
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:48:25.81
Russell Gibson
It's interesting in the comments, like people are saying, Oh, that breakers are ruining this hobby. And I think there is some truth to that. I also wonder too, I could be very wrong about this, but I wonder if people are buying this to put away because flawless is a product that doesn't come with redemptions.

00:48:42.59
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:44.20
Russell Gibson
There's no hold on the product in terms of that at all. So, you know, you're not worried about getting points. You're not worried about getting this and that. Like the product is a finished product. If it is going to be the last Panini product and also too, they're going to load it to the hilt.

00:48:56.58
Adz
ah

00:48:58.96
Russell Gibson
So we've already seen that with silhouette, right?

00:49:00.36
Adz
Oh, so it's it's it's the. Yeah.

00:49:02.59
Russell Gibson
So Silhouette was this product that essentially they've just loaded that to the absolute eyeballs. Are they going to do the same thing with Flawless?

00:49:09.62
Adz
yeah

00:49:09.94
Russell Gibson
and Eminence, what's Eminence going to look like this year? Is that going to be just like, yeah.

00:49:12.50
Adz
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

00:49:16.30
Russell Gibson
So.

00:49:17.12
Adz
i Look, I think the end is it's going to go out with a bang, right?

00:49:21.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:49:22.64
Adz
Surely, Panini. I wonder if they've got anything. Because we were talking about it today yeah at the show. ah there' at Do Panini have any sheets of Kobe stickers?

00:49:34.42
Russell Gibson
I believe that they, I believe they don't.

00:49:34.75
Adz
Imagine that. Imagine that.

00:49:36.90
Russell Gibson
I don't think they do because there was a lot of people that had unfilled redemptions.

00:49:41.60
Adz
Yeah, fair, fair, fair, fair.

00:49:42.06
Russell Gibson
And then to feel those, they created that Mamba mosaic set.

00:49:42.64
Adz
fair

00:49:46.00
Russell Gibson
Remember that?

00:49:47.25
Adz
Oh, yeah, true, true.

00:49:47.68
Russell Gibson
And they sent out those packets to people instead of Kobe autos. And there was a lot of people that went very backwards on that.

00:49:54.68
Adz
Yep, fair, fair. it's ah It's a very, very astute observation.

00:49:58.39
Russell Gibson
Not backwards, very backwards. You know, they lost a lot of money.

00:50:00.55
Adz
Very, very backwards.

00:50:02.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:50:03.10
Adz
Yep.

00:50:03.31
Russell Gibson
All right. I want to do the the rookie autographs, but let's take a break and we'll come back and we can just sort of like take our time and and go through that.

00:50:09.06
Adz
Wrap it up. Yeah, let's do that.

00:50:10.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah. right.

00:50:17.73
Russell Gibson
And we're back. How are you, buddy?

00:50:18.99
Adz
We're back.

00:50:19.53
Russell Gibson
Are you ready for the last set?

00:50:20.74
Adz
I am ready for the last set. let's Let's do this thing.

00:50:25.92
Russell Gibson
So again, I'm not the greatest mass man, but at the moment we only have two sponsors. We will be having a third sponsor. If I get my act together, maybe next week, I think I can, and I think I can announce this now neon trading cards are going to come on and sponsor us.

00:50:36.16
Adz
It'll happen. It's going to happen.

00:50:40.65
Russell Gibson
This is something that's very much been a long time in the making for us. so

00:50:45.84
Adz
Nice.

00:50:46.47
Russell Gibson
we're very happy that we've come to an agreement with those guys and we're looking forward to working with them. So We feel like they complement our two other sponsors and that they're slightly in different areas of the hobby.

00:50:51.73
Adz
Yes.

00:50:58.05
Adz
Wheelhouses.

00:50:59.39
Russell Gibson
So no one's stepping on each other's toes.

00:50:59.41
Adz
Yep.

00:51:01.23
Russell Gibson
i really like that.

00:51:02.00
Adz
Which I think, yeah, that that's that's what we want.

00:51:02.15
Russell Gibson
I think this is going to be a good collab for us.

00:51:04.52
Adz
Yep.

00:51:05.78
Russell Gibson
All right. Now, this next story, this could go really badly it could go really well. But I sat there and I went through... So if you go online to Panini America, you can go onto to their shop and but buy Panini instant cards.

00:51:23.04
Russell Gibson
And they've got some rookies from this year's class in that. So I thought what would be interesting was I would go through, i would create a list of every single athlete that is

00:51:37.17
Russell Gibson
on that page.

00:51:38.61
Adz
Yep.

00:51:39.02
Russell Gibson
And I would then go through and summarize the names and also what draft pick that they were. I'm not going to sit here and read every single one out to you, but I will definitely point out to you

00:51:48.41
Adz
I'm trying to share the screen, but I think it paints a pretty glaring picture.

00:51:53.30
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So there's 20 athletes in total. Most of them are second round picks. There are some first round picks in there. There's also an undrafted gentleman by the name of Dink, excuse my pronunciation, Pate, P-A-T-E.

00:52:07.98
Adz
Yep.

00:52:08.52
Russell Gibson
Could be Pate, but I'm not sure.

00:52:10.70
Adz
Dink

00:52:11.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah, could be that. I think the people of note who did sign is Jeremiah Fears. pick number seven, Nick Clifford at pick 24, Derek Queen at pick 13.

00:52:22.26
Adz
Yep.

00:52:25.02
Adz
Yep.

00:52:25.61
Russell Gibson
And I think the most notable of all of them is Vijay Edgecombe at pick number three.

00:52:30.90
Adz
Yeah, for sure, for sure.

00:52:31.40
Russell Gibson
And I think in terms of instant impact, you could buy him because you might make an argument

00:52:31.99
Adz
Mm.

00:52:39.61
Russell Gibson
If Philadelphia ah okay this year, they could have a deep playoff run. However, i know Embiid's knees apparently are really bad. So let's not hold our breath too much there.

00:52:46.68
Adz
Yep.

00:52:49.28
Russell Gibson
I'm not going to get overexcited like I did last year.

00:52:49.66
Adz
Yep.

00:52:52.28
Russell Gibson
Now, really interesting though, the VJ Edgecombe autograph number to 10 is selling for $350 on the Panini Instant website.

00:52:52.50
Adz
Huh.

00:53:03.88
Russell Gibson
So I'm putting this to you Would you buy, hold, or sell that at $350?

00:53:11.77
Adz
What's the card? it said It's an... know

00:53:13.42
Russell Gibson
VJ Edgecombe Panini Instant Autograph. look Let's just assume we've been Panini'd and it's going to be a sticker. um

00:53:22.07
Adz
Yeah, true, true.

00:53:22.92
Russell Gibson
Number to 10.

00:53:24.62
Adz
Number to 10?

00:53:25.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:26.22
Adz
I'll buy at that price.

00:53:31.05
Russell Gibson
Because I don't think there's going to be any rookie... So this is the this is the play on this, why you should buy instant cards. I don't think they're to come out the official NBA products.

00:53:40.80
Adz
Well, you I was going to say, it top the tops won't have the license to...

00:53:42.29
Russell Gibson
Because...

00:53:44.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:44.83
Adz
to

00:53:45.16
Russell Gibson
So this is the genuine sort of like crossover period. You might.

00:53:48.27
Adz
Do you remember last you remember last year with the Nordograph? The no autos, this is the reverse of that, right?

00:53:51.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Correct.

00:53:54.10
Adz
So tops don't have the rights to to these autos.

00:53:56.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe though, I'm going to assume that Panini is still going to be making cards in some fashion. So there might be an unlicensed VJ Edgecombe and he's going to be the centerpiece of their product, you know, next year.

00:54:04.54
Adz
Sure.

00:54:11.35
Russell Gibson
Like who knows?

00:54:11.83
Adz
Yep.

00:54:12.45
Russell Gibson
And that very well could be the truth. I think what I'm just, you know, talking about here is, and the reason I also bring this up a little bit is because I think the instant stuff that Topps has done so far has been like 10 out of 10.

00:54:14.48
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:18.21
Adz
Yeah.

00:54:22.81
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So yes, Panini have always done it, but maybe now that tops are doing it, you know, people actually might take a bit more attention to this space and go, actually, look, there's a couple of prospects on here that, you know, actually worth looking at.

00:54:24.04
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

00:54:35.54
Russell Gibson
This is two more I'll really quickly mention. Trey Johnson, the third at pick six and Igor Demin at pick eight. So, you know, there's not like nobody's here.

00:54:44.71
Adz
Yeah, yeah,

00:54:45.40
Russell Gibson
You actually go on here and also Nolan Traor at 19. So yeah, like I said, I won't read the whole 20 through the 20 list. Final thoughts on this ad. What's your takeaway from this?

00:54:57.67
Adz
it's It's an interesting one. It's a bit of a niche, but it's part of that whole overlap.

00:55:02.04
Russell Gibson
It's very niche. Yeah.

00:55:03.28
Adz
Yeah. It's part of that whole overlap, but maybe there's an opportunity in there. If Vijay Edgecombe is a star, then

00:55:08.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Pick three.

00:55:11.78
Russell Gibson
You don't have to gamble on packs. You to gamble on boxes. don't have to gamble on breaks.

00:55:14.31
Adz
just flat out, bang, take the card.

00:55:15.30
Russell Gibson
Like here's my card.

00:55:16.19
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:16.48
Russell Gibson
Bang. Like there is something about that that kind of appeals to me. You know, it's yeah.

00:55:21.32
Adz
there there There is an element of taking taking a risk, but taking ah a calculated risk.

00:55:27.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:28.69
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:29.75
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's just do a bit of casual hobby conversation to round out today's show. Look, this one's a little bit of a long one, but I think what we can probably do is just, just summarize it really quickly.

00:55:44.58
Russell Gibson
The regular season has ended. This is from Max Cook on WNBA Cards, Buy, Sell and Trade. My thoughts on what to write about is that WNBA regular season has ended. I'm just going to pick out some of the highlights here.

00:55:55.16
Adz
Yep.

00:55:57.05
Russell Gibson
So Caitlin Clark peaked one week before the season started since then her value has stayed low and kept falling. And she's now the biggest value dipper of the year. Over the season, her value has dropped 36%.

00:56:06.10
Adz
Yep.

00:56:09.69
Russell Gibson
Now, this was written on the 14th, so a week ago. So this is like within the window of her and that injury being announced. you know, we can keep that in mind.

00:56:18.44
Adz
Mm-mm.

00:56:20.66
Russell Gibson
um I do see an increase in Sophie Cunningham. Her cards have jumped 80-ish percent. Now, the Sophie Cunningham is a really interesting one in the fact that I think she was more of a social phenom than her play jumped up that much. And that's why her cards went up.

00:56:38.26
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:39.21
Russell Gibson
And I think there is that degree of whether sex sells or there is that sort of you know component to some of the WNBA stuff, but yeah I don't see that as a massive as a massive deal.

00:56:51.86
Russell Gibson
I'm excited for the playoffs and predicting the Aces win the championship.

00:56:51.94
Adz
True.

00:56:54.70
Russell Gibson
They are hot. And the team is playing well together. In my opinion, they are very well coached. The Dream has struggled in the last few weeks and i'm predicting the Feeble will upset the Dream in round one.

00:57:04.16
Adz
Hmm.

00:57:04.32
Russell Gibson
Kelsey Mitchell is on fire. The Dream doesn't have a good matchup for her. She'll dominate the 20 plus points per game. Where is the love for her hobby? Her biggest card in 30 days is Origins Auto at a 99 and a rookie hollow, $35 and $110 really. So again, i think that WNBA is also very similar in the NBA that you can find pockets of value.

00:57:26.30
Adz
Agreed, agreed.

00:57:26.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, on players, yeah.

00:57:27.03
Adz
But, yeah, i I'm i've just – we just need to be mindful with WNBA that the the pool of collectors is smaller and the pool of interest in the in the league is smaller than the than its counterpart in the NBA.

00:57:44.46
Russell Gibson
I think that is true.

00:57:46.08
Adz
There's a level of relevance there.

00:57:46.11
Russell Gibson
i think

00:57:47.24
Adz
So the cards, even though they're the same quality, the demand is lower.

00:57:49.65
Russell Gibson
i think the counter argument to that is like the product has been out there for a little while.

00:57:51.10
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:57:55.91
Russell Gibson
And I think that the popular popularity is increasing. So if you've already been in and you've been collecting it because you love it, you actually can now, like the cards are actually becoming a little bit more liquid.

00:58:03.97
Adz
Sure.

00:58:07.33
Russell Gibson
And I think taking the Caitlin Clark thing out, and my observation of the WNBA hobby the last few years is that there's more people that are dabbling in it.

00:58:16.23
Adz
Sure.

00:58:16.29
Russell Gibson
and And I see your point and I actually don't disagree with it, but I also think too, it's becoming more of a thing. And I think if you're like a betting man or a betting person, you'd be like, actually in the next five years, we're probably going to see another doubling in this.

00:58:31.86
Russell Gibson
So I think that's where people.

00:58:32.00
Adz
Yeah, i look, i don't get me wrong.

00:58:33.58
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:34.34
Adz
I think there's there's a following, but I'll i'll use it.

00:58:34.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:37.20
Adz
I'm like, okay, and NBA cards or NBL cards.

00:58:40.41
Russell Gibson
Oh, no, no.

00:58:41.26
Adz
gene didn new bit that Yeah, a

00:58:41.83
Russell Gibson
It's, it's, the it's the exact same argument. It's the same thing. Like WNBA.

00:58:45.66
Adz
I'm like, um um I just thought I'd take the men's and women's aspect out of it and go, let's look at the NBL.

00:58:46.05
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:58:50.33
Russell Gibson
I mean, ironically, i would actually pick WNBA cards over NBL cards, though. With some very small exceptions.

00:58:55.08
Adz
There you go. There you go. Yeah, yeah.

00:58:58.22
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:58.26
Adz
but it's But it's that smaller market, so let's not like it's not going to replicate exponentially anyway.

00:59:03.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:05.52
Adz
So the Caitlin Clark stuff is sort of like an anomaly in that smaller market.

00:59:05.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure.

00:59:11.05
Russell Gibson
Oh, absolutely. no No disagreement there.

00:59:14.28
Adz
But I think it's fun in when it's a smaller market because you can have some fun with it and the product's not through the roof and you're not overpaying for stuff. you You're sort of

00:59:22.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:59:23.53
Adz
It's a hobby. It's not a, it's not the stock market.

00:59:27.07
Russell Gibson
yeah ah This next story is from AltXYZOfficial. This is about a one-of-one nebula of Azure Thompson. Azure being the Detroit Pistons gentleman.

00:59:39.12
Russell Gibson
um This card is up over $34,000 since November to become the most expensive Azure Thompson card of all time.

00:59:42.09
Adz
Yeesh.

00:59:45.44
Russell Gibson
All right. This is my prediction on this kid here. I think he is going to have an absolutely... He had a good year last year. I think he's going to have an absolutely banging year this year. I think with his growth, Cade Cunningham's growth, the Pistons' growth, I'm very, very excited in this Ezio Thompson, Detroit Pistons, Cade Cunningham space.

01:00:06.84
Russell Gibson
So I love this.

01:00:07.25
Adz
i was I was talking to someone today about it.

01:00:08.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:09.17
Adz
I said, you know what? Given the teams that blew it up, Indiana and Boston might not even feature in like a home court series in the finals because we're looking at we're looking at New York, Orlando, Cleveland, the Pistons, Atlanta.

01:00:17.84
Russell Gibson
A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

01:00:25.52
Adz
Like it's nuts.

01:00:26.19
Russell Gibson
Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think this year is going to be really open. i think even in the West, it's going there's going to be a bit of movement here. ah This next one, I kind of hope you know about this because this is a ah really weird niche NBA story.

01:00:43.53
Russell Gibson
This is about Jeff Teague.

01:00:46.97
Adz
Oh, the NBA

01:00:47.14
Russell Gibson
ah some For some weird reason, people online in the NBA 2K game started doing this thing called Teague Time, which is a player that has no pants on or in the game see-through pants and wearing a Jeff Teague jersey.

01:01:03.04
Russell Gibson
To the point that this is now overflowed from the game into his jersey sales. And it's one of the top selling jerseys currently in the league at the moment.

01:01:13.94
Adz
Where they're just wearing the, yeah, in their jocks and the Teague jersey.

01:01:17.68
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:01:18.47
Adz
Yeah. Yeah, that was apparently, but that was friends of Teague's that were doing it, wasn't it?

01:01:20.13
Russell Gibson
It's just wild.

01:01:24.12
Adz
It wasn't the story. It was his brother or something or like, yeah, now it's become a thing.

01:01:27.53
Russell Gibson
I've got no idea.

01:01:33.33
Adz
I just, I just, the internet is a scary place, isn't it

01:01:39.37
Adz
You tell me that, you tell me like the conspiracy theorists out there, like correct me if I'm wrong, but people are like, oh, there subliminal messages and mind control.

01:01:39.51
Russell Gibson
I'm like,

01:01:48.71
Adz
If people are going out and buying a Jeff Teague jersey because there was a glitch in NBA 2K, people are cooked.

01:01:56.58
Russell Gibson
I'm looking at some of these dudes price at the moment. So he's 2013 logon and patch autograph to four for number 10 that sold for $660 PSA nine. two thousand and twelve prism penini gold number to ten that's sold for six hundred and sixty dollars at ps a nine

01:02:12.44
Adz
Jesus.

01:02:13.92
Russell Gibson
I got to tell you, if these people are like out buying this stuff because of Teague time on 2K, this stuff is wild. i Look, I got a lot of respect for Jeff Teague, so don't think I'm like talking smack about the guy.

01:02:25.83
Russell Gibson
i don't think these cards are worth this for one second. Eminence, Jeff Teague All-Star Jumbo Patch, one-of-one game use. That sold for $300. Actually, I'm okay with that. that's ah absolutely That's actually a beautiful...

01:02:37.69
Russell Gibson
I love Eminence. It's a beautiful patch.

01:02:39.31
Adz
good value.

01:02:40.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:40.14
Adz
Good value. Yeah, for sure.

01:02:42.29
Russell Gibson
That's wild. All right.

01:02:43.22
Adz
It is, yeah.

01:02:43.29
Russell Gibson
Well, you Jeff Teague is out there. Look, it's fun. The internet can be fun.

01:02:48.96
Adz
crate Crazy cats, I tell you what.

01:02:48.98
Russell Gibson
Sometimes this is a good example of the internet being fun. Yeah. ah This is just bit of ah a froth card. This one here, this is a magic Johnson Kareem jewel autograph. This is actually from the Panini America website.

01:03:00.72
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:03:01.79
Russell Gibson
They've both, yeah, they both put custom autographs on it with Showtime.

01:03:01.92
Adz
Showtime.

01:03:06.04
Russell Gibson
Do you know what would, so, sorry, the story on this is the issue that Panini have got at the moment is they've got less rookie signing. So now they need to do more imaginative things or, you know, different things with vets or people that are currently on their roster.

01:03:16.87
Adz
Oh,

01:03:20.22
Adz
oh

01:03:21.35
Russell Gibson
So what they're currently getting them to do in the higher end products this year is they're going to be doing more custom autographs.

01:03:26.99
Adz
ah inscriptions and stuff to make it to make custom card.

01:03:28.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. So this is something that you're going to be seeing a lot more of.

01:03:31.47
Adz
Okay.

01:03:31.54
Russell Gibson
I like this.

01:03:32.13
Adz
I like that. I like that a lot.

01:03:33.00
Russell Gibson
I would have liked to have seen, say, Showtime by Magic and then maybe like Hookshot by Kareem, something like that. Because I feel like Showtime, Showtime, like, did you need it twice in the card?

01:03:39.81
Adz
Skyhook. Yep.

01:03:42.73
Russell Gibson
That's my only tiny criticism of that. Otherwise, I love this. I think this is double better than an autograph, if that makes sense.

01:03:47.49
Adz
Yeah.

01:03:51.59
Russell Gibson
Like this is, it's just like having two autographs.

01:03:52.47
Adz
Yeah, yeah

01:03:54.98
Russell Gibson
I love this. Alrighty. Tim Duncan. I love Tim Duncan. This is really, this is just for me.

01:03:59.79
Adz
yeah. Bit of Timmy Day, the old fundamental.

01:04:01.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:02.59
Adz
Is that Flea Metal?

01:04:04.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. This is from Card Letter. Our friends at Card Letter, 1997, Metal ah Universe Champions card.

01:04:07.53
Adz
Mm.

01:04:11.47
Russell Gibson
Precious Metal Gem, number 250, PSA 8 on this.

01:04:11.80
Adz
Yep.

01:04:14.35
Russell Gibson
So, you know,

01:04:14.76
Adz
Whee!

01:04:16.30
Russell Gibson
Not particularly a high grade, like, you know, in these days standards, a PSA 8, no one wants PSA 8, Pop 7 on it's sold for $35,400. I just about said $247,000, but that's the market count.

01:04:29.38
Russell Gibson
that's the market count

01:04:29.45
Adz
Don't why. Yeah. yep Yeah, yeah. True, true, true. That's the market cap.

01:04:32.73
Russell Gibson
Look, I like this.

01:04:33.45
Adz
I like it a lot.

01:04:33.61
Russell Gibson
I like this a lot. I think it's good that Tim Duncan is getting some you know some hobby love in this space here.

01:04:35.21
Adz
Yeah.

01:04:38.98
Russell Gibson
i do wonder how much of this is about the card versus the player per se, but at the same time, it's still Tim Duncan.

01:04:43.63
Adz
Yeah. That's a good point. That's a good point.

01:04:46.68
Russell Gibson
I'm just going to love it for that.

01:04:49.78
Adz
Great.

01:04:49.88
Russell Gibson
EuroLeague, starting five or all-star five, Dennis Schroeder, Luka Doncic, Sengun, Giannis, and Franz Wagner is our five guys here.

01:05:02.87
Russell Gibson
I think that we've spoken about Luka and Giannis enough. So why don't we just really quickly check in on Wagner and the big guy, Sengun, really quickly on their pricing.

01:05:11.29
Adz
Franz Wagner, Schengen. You can do that.

01:05:15.12
Russell Gibson
i think that would be good.

01:05:17.03
Adz
um and ah i Can I just say very quickly, I'm backing the rest of the world for All-Star Weekend.

01:05:20.52
Russell Gibson
Yes.

01:05:25.65
Russell Gibson
I can't wait for that, by the way. I think this is the best thing for basketball in a long time.

01:05:31.14
Adz
The rest of the world is winning the All-Star Game.

01:05:33.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, but at least they'll try.

01:05:36.55
Adz
They won't have to. If you can see the lineups they can put out,

01:05:42.12
Russell Gibson
um just think they'll at least compete.

01:05:44.25
Adz
Oh, look, but you notice there's one European name that's not in that, right? And it's the best player in the world.

01:05:53.72
Adz
Luka at the one, Schroeder at the two. I don't mind that lineup. Sengun's coming off the bench, though, because Jokic is starting.

01:05:59.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure, sure.

01:06:01.48
Adz
But that's crazy.

01:06:01.47
Russell Gibson
Sure. Yeah. All right. I've picked out one Shen Goon card. It's his highest ever sold card. National Treasures Rookie Patch Autograph Logoman.

01:06:14.46
Russell Gibson
One of one. That's sold for $85,400. PSA. Nine on the card and 10 on the autograph.

01:06:25.49
Russell Gibson
So we're not talking about small amount of money in this space. Let's talk about Franz Wagner. What have we got for this guy?

01:06:37.51
Russell Gibson
already Wagner's highest sold card is also his Logerman from National Treasures.

01:06:37.68
Adz
For Wagner.

01:06:45.76
Adz
Okay.

01:06:47.10
Russell Gibson
Again, the one of one, mint eight on the card, 10 on the autograph. I actually liked the design better on the Wagner card, to be honest. um That sold for $79,200. So of them,

01:06:59.44
Adz
Okay.

01:07:00.38
Russell Gibson
it's

01:07:03.85
Russell Gibson
like oh between the two of them

01:07:08.09
Russell Gibson
Probably go with the Wagner. I actually, I really liked that guy. I think he's, I think he's got a lot of time for improvement.

01:07:12.82
Adz
Did you go for France?

01:07:14.28
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I think he's got a lot of time to improve too.

01:07:18.63
Russell Gibson
all right.

01:07:18.73
Adz
Yeah.

01:07:20.10
Russell Gibson
Our Jordan to finish. I think we're going to pretty much finish on time today.

01:07:22.71
Adz
Jordan's a finish.

01:07:22.83
Russell Gibson
ah All right.

01:07:26.09
Adz
I thought there was one more on the run sheet.

01:07:29.16
Russell Gibson
We can do that in two seconds.

01:07:29.93
Adz
Go on. We can do this in third.

01:07:30.63
Russell Gibson
Michael Malone.

01:07:32.25
Adz
Mike Malone.

01:07:33.33
Russell Gibson
has been announced as a broadcaster for and NBA Countdown. I am 12 out of 10 excited for this. I think he was done dirty by the Nuggets.

01:07:44.13
Russell Gibson
He doesn't deserve to be out of the league and to get somebody with absolute talent ah savant level knowledge and understanding of the game to be now commentating, giving us insights.

01:07:56.04
Russell Gibson
I'm like, this is just, you know, in my house of church. So um yeah, it's all the, you know, good things.

01:07:59.74
Adz
Yep.

01:08:02.56
Russell Gibson
There's always something, sorry, all the bad things, something good comes out of it. This is like, for me, the good spot of it. All right. I put this in because I found this when I was doing the classic cards,

01:08:13.38
Adz
Yep.

01:08:14.73
Russell Gibson
This for me is not a classic card, but God, this is a beautiful looking image. I love this so much. It's almost like the micro mosaic. They've stolen it you know from this.

01:08:23.32
Adz
I like that.

01:08:24.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:08:25.10
Adz
Yep.

01:08:25.77
Russell Gibson
So if you like the micro mosaic,

01:08:26.18
Adz
Or it might have been inspired by this.

01:08:28.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%. I think you'll really like this card. This is the 1996 Flair Showcase, Michael Jordan from the Legacy Collection, Road Zero, PSA 10. it's This is the only problem with this card.

01:08:39.11
Russell Gibson
It sold for $137,000. So again, it's just way out of my, you know, yeah, I just can't even imagine having a card like this.

01:08:45.02
Adz
Budget.

01:08:48.51
Adz
Well, if you bought it for $3,638 back 2012, would have been fine. Pretty crazy, dollars back in twenty twelve

01:08:54.50
Russell Gibson
Or $560 in 2020.

01:08:54.55
Adz
been fine

01:08:56.50
Russell Gibson
That would have even been better.

01:09:00.64
Adz
pretty crazy hu

01:09:01.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's a nice little. Adam, thank you so much for coming on tonight. I'm glad that you weren't feeling too grumpy during the show today. today I feel like you've sort of, you pepped up a little bit.

01:09:12.07
Adz
Oh, look, i to be to be fair, as I said, there were elements that left a a bit of bit of bad taste in my mouth, and the...

01:09:17.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:09:20.69
Adz
There were some patrons. Obviously, was it was just a ah crowd thing. And I'm like, yeah, well, maybe I'm just a grumpy old man now. And back in my day, we had manners, but whatever.

01:09:26.62
Russell Gibson
Could be.

01:09:29.88
Adz
um Overall, I met some amazing people at the Oz National and had some amazing conversations.

01:09:32.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah, 100%. 100%. Yeah, I agree, man.

01:09:35.43
Adz
So thank you to everybody who was there.

01:09:36.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:09:37.49
Adz
it was It was a fantastic show. I had a great time and I'm looking forward to the next one.

01:09:42.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Great.

01:09:44.64
Adz
Awesome.

01:09:44.70
Russell Gibson
Thanks, everyone at home for listening. Thank you all for watching on the streams. Click your understanding. Thanks on social medias. We appreciate it. Thanks you all at Central Coast Radio.

01:09:54.91
Adz
And we'll see you next week.