You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
You Can't Comp This: NBA Trading Card Podcast
Episode 238: Wondershine Index, PSA Slab Review & Hobby Market Surges
In this episode of You Can’t Comp This Podcast, Russell and Adam take the pulse of the hobby and dive deep into some of the biggest stories shaping the card market right now.
We start with the Wondershine Index and what it really says about card values — from million-dollar grails to the pitfalls of hype. Then it’s onto PSA’s new Slab Review program, fees, and the opening of their German office.
The guys also cover some eye-popping card sales — from Scottie Pippen’s surge to Downtown highs, plus LeBron, Kobe, Steph, and Wilt Chamberlain. Finally, they explore the latest swings in the WNBA market, including Caitlin Clark and Cameron Brink.
As always, the episode is packed with insights, a few laughs, and plenty of hobby talk.
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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 238, the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast, where you host Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson. How are you today, Russell? How you today, Russell?
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Russell Gibson
I'm fantastic. I think the more important question is, how are you?
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Adz
I survived the AFL grand final. I was much more conscious than ah this time last year. and um and and And now one of the teams that beat my team a few years ago knows how it feels when you get beaten by 10 goals by the Brisbane Lions.
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Russell Gibson
that's right.
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Adz
So yeah they've done it back to back.
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Russell Gibson
Yep. Yep.
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Adz
Good grand final weekend for the AFL fans. um Excited about basketball upcoming in Australia. The NBL crossing over against the Pelicans soon down here.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah, lots lots on the go. It's it's that that, I guess, the the spring rumble before the beginning of the season.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think you're right. There's heaps going on. We're going about the Wondershine Index this week.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
We're going to talk about PSA Slab Review.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
PSA opening up in Germany. We've got a Scottie Pippen for you ad. I found a cheap case hit. I thought we could talk about that.
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Adz
Very nice.
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Russell Gibson
Some downtowns. We're going to talk about WNBA and just some general NBA news. And absolutely, Zion is going to be in that because he has shown up looking like he's on the same workout regime as Luka.
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Adz
i
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Russell Gibson
So...
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Adz
Yes. Yes. Interesting.
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Russell Gibson
He's looking like a new person.
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Adz
Maybe he is a new person. We'll see. Some people in Melbourne will see it soon.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So let's talk about the Wondershine index.
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Adz
Can I start off by saying the Wondershine index is definitely not the nicest, catchiest name for the index. It probably needs a different name. It needs a rebrand.
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Russell Gibson
I feel like this is the most American thing you can almost do, though. Like, name an index after yourself.
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Adz
Yeah, fair. Yeah, it is. It is very, it's very, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Like, Aussies are generally, they sort of follow the British sort of line where you're a little bit conservative and, you know, you probably...
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Adz
Don't take the credit. Name it after what it is.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, correct.
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Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
ye Yep. Yep. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Whereas he considers himself to be Mr. Wonderful and Shine being his business partner, it's the the Wondershine Index, you know, but that's okay.
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Adz
yeah Yeah. Literally.
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Russell Gibson
I think it's kind of actually fun. And I think it's interesting how, this is my interpretation. It's someone else coming into our hobby that really knows nothing and essentially is is a whale.
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Russell Gibson
And now he's
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Adz
Yeah. For sure.
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Russell Gibson
And now millions of people are listening to this guy. So even though, you know, we might look down on, on him and we might think, you know, he's not for the hobby and, you know, blah, blah, blah. Actually he's doing like a huge deal for the hobby at the moment.
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Russell Gibson
Like you, you can't buy this much press and attention.
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Adz
Drawing a lot of attention onto it. Yeah. Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So I think, you know, we do have to talk about this. We have to acknowledge it. And, know, he is becoming a thing and, and, you know, but like I actually thought that, you know, fanatics would be doing this somehow and, you know,
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Russell Gibson
buying a whole bunch of clicks and spending a whole lot of advertising. But ironically, it's actually, it's Mr. Wonderful that's doing it for Fnatic. So that's it. Like that's the starting point to talk about this.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So basically I'm not going to, I didn't write down word for word what he said on this television show, but I just captured like, you know, the key points of it. So what drew his attention to it is that $400 million dollars a month are being publicly traded on trading cards.
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Adz
That's crazy.
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Russell Gibson
And there's more in private deals. So we we know that. We know that at card shows, all these transactions go undocumented.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
We also know on Facebook groups, Instagram, you know, whatnot, I reckon and that's going to go into the undocumented part too. I don't think all those sales, if people are doing, you know, 10 second and auctions, all this type of stuff.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
um There's quotes that Walmart will be doing a billion dollars. So obviously this is just, you know, peaked up his attention. And a couple of weeks ago, just to summarize, we spoke about him purchasing the dual Kobe Jordan one of one autographed Logerman.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So that's, that's the starting point. So now this week he's back in the news and he's saying that he's now in that time since he purchased the Jordan Kobe, he's purchased seven more.
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Russell Gibson
So in total, he now has eight cards in his collection.
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Adz
Wow.
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Russell Gibson
So
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Adz
Not a bad place to start when you, like, is you know, just start. I started Pokemon collecting the other day, and I have about seven or eight cards. I feel like our collections are a little bit different.
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Russell Gibson
You need to call your Pokemon a name, like a the Adam index or the, or the Adam Amy index.
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Adz
The AA Index.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Amy Adams Index.
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Russell Gibson
Or the wonderful Adam index.
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Adz
Oh, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
That's the best I got in a very short.
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Adz
I've got, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Yeah. I've just, yeah. The Adam index, the Adam index, the one and only
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Russell Gibson
I feel like you a we shouldn't make fun of people going to AA, but that's not great for people who are attending AA, you know?
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Adz
I'm not marketing. I'm not, yeah. Marketing it as an index ah because they need to be listing. It wouldn't be anonymous.
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Adz
Fair point. So maybe we might not figure it out differently.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
He also pointed out that he didn't want to be one of these douchebags that holds onto his cards and no one ever gets to look at them. So he's going to bring them to a museum. He's going to time it with Father's Day so that fathers can go with their children um to to look at his collection.
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Adz
Can I ask you the obvious question?
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
Are you going to take your kids to the museum to look at his cards? If this was, if this went on tour and it was in Melbourne, it was at the Melbourne museum for Father's Day, Father's Day only.
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Russell Gibson
If it was in Melbourne...
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Russell Gibson
I definitely would. hundred percent
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Adz
Awesome.
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Russell Gibson
I'm assuming it'll be in Brooklyn or New York or Los Angeles.
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Adz
I wonder if he takes it on tour.
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Russell Gibson
some No, I don't reckon there'd be the money in it to do that. ah he
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Adz
Depends which museum's um on board really.
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Russell Gibson
He thinks once it's once he's dead, it's going to be worth a billion dollars. So obviously for him, this is ah a long-term hold. um And this is the thing that I wanted to maybe talk to you about.
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Russell Gibson
And, you know, it's an interesting sort of thought.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
He said that people's collections have winners and losers. And I think the other way to talk about that is like, you know, you've prospected on a card and you've lost on it. So the Siku Domboyas, the Zion Williamson's, the Admiral Schofield's, all that type of stuff.
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Adz
me
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And he said 90% of people, sorry, most people have 90% their value in 2% of their cards.
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Russell Gibson
And like realistically, like if you look at the total number of cards in my collection, that that probably would apply to me too.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
yeah So I've got so many base cards just sitting there in boxes. You know, he he's probably right about that. Whereas he's just like, you know, cut cut through all the base, just get to all the big stuff.
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Adz
Yeah. yeah
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Russell Gibson
um The other thing that I thought was pretty interesting that you might want to comment on this is that Pokemon didn't make the cut at all. And I think this is really a perspective thing in terms of population counts and true, true scarcity.
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Adz
Very interesting.
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Russell Gibson
So...
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Adz
Well, I was going to make the older the very um obvious observation, I guess, ah with regards to that, saying that um
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Adz
with those pop counts that are through the roof, this is this is about, in particular, cards are very, very low pop, rare. And he pro they probably are serialized, nu like, as far as cards. They're, like, numbered. One of ones, numbered to tens. Like, not he's not going to be picking up.
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Adz
a Van Gogh Pikachu for five grand. We're talking millions of dollars in cardboard.
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Russell Gibson
So I don't know Pokemon well enough. They did show the card that he was referencing. He made reference to a $2 million dollars Pokemon card, but he said that now looks like something else looked to me like it was purple.
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Adz
Yeah. Is that the Logan Paul one? No.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Sorry. I can't, I can't give any more commentary than that.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
Honestly, i just don't know Pokemon, but
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Adz
That's fine. Yeah. It's not even on the radar though for them.
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Russell Gibson
but Yeah, but I think the main like for me, the main part out of that is that it's I interpret that as like the pop count thing. And I think you can also apply that to basketball too, where it's like he won't be looking at base cards.
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Adz
Agreed.
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Adz
So he won't be looking at silver prisms.
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Russell Gibson
he won't I don't think he's going to be looking at silvers. I think he might be, say, looking at like one of ones or maybe you know number to 10 or to five, you know something like that.
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Adz
o
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Russell Gibson
I think maybe...
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Adz
Something that genuinely scarce, right? Like we've we've talked about that.
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Russell Gibson
Maybe if if the card's number, to let's just say it's a patch autograph to 99, maybe he's buying a black label.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
Or maybe he's buying a PSA 10. I think there has to be some you know exceptions to the rule, but you know I really think it's that. So what I thought would be fun to do, that's really the end of the conversation. like That's it.
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Adz
oh
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Russell Gibson
But I thought... we can make our own list of what we think could be into the Wondershine Index. um Listeners at home, if you would like to build your own potential Wondershine list of what the next seven cards are going to be, please feel free to comment on socials. I've put one up on Instagram, Facebook, and also Twitter.
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Adz
Oh, so we're guessing what those other seven cards are.
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Russell Gibson
I'm going to guess what the other seven cards are. And if listeners would like to have a go at it, you know, please feel free to to do that.
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Adz
Yeah. Okay. Okay.
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Russell Gibson
I did get a couple of responses back, but to be honest, they were all just like joke responses. So I'm i'm happy to read them just because it's like, it's a bit of a laugh. um Excuse my pronunciation. Alam Serik said that it's going to be an Oliver Miller power in the key PSA for.
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Adz
Clearly.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, absolutely. And then Califf Kuri said a Zion Silver Prism PSA 8, which I'm not too sure.
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Adz
Yep.
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Adz
Nice.
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Adz
It's a pop count on that.
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Russell Gibson
if ah if a $2 million Pokemon, yeah, I'm like, I don't know.
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Adz
Didn't make it.
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Russell Gibson
I think we got one more. See if I can quickly dig this up. Here we go. James Mann, Zion Base PSA 10. So that's two people that said Zion, by the way, which is a funny little one.
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Adz
Funny. He's back in the spotlight, though, for the wrong reasons, of course. but
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Russell Gibson
Siku Dumboya and Hoops Marks Jackson with the Menendez brothers. So, oh yeah. All right.
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Adz
that Yeah, that would be an interesting one.
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Russell Gibson
So without any further ado, I did find um some more cards that I think might be on his list.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
ah This is the Jordan Kobe BGS 8. This just sold for $488,000.
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Adz
oh
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Russell Gibson
It's numbered to five. Now, I'm not going to lie to you. I'm also at this kind of point now where I'm like, all these big sales that are happening at the moment, I'm halfway in the back of my head. I'm like, are these being added to the Wondershine Index?
00:11:30.04
Adz
Interesting.
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Russell Gibson
I think that is a very great purchase. I'm guessing that's on his list.
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Adz
Savvy. Savvy purchase, yeah, for sure.
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Russell Gibson
Yep. I spoke about black labels before in the back of my mind.
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Adz
Mm-hmm.
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Russell Gibson
I was probably referencing this card. And we actually spoke about this card last week in terms of like modern classics.
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Adz
Okay. Yep.
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Russell Gibson
So this is the Kobe Bryant 2008, 2009 Tops Chrome, but this is the gold refractor numbered to 50.
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Adz
Oh.
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Adz
Pop, pop, pop one.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, but black labels are rare as rare as rare. So again, i sort of I'm going to put this into the exception rule again just because of that amazing aesthetics on that card plus the black label.
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Russell Gibson
There's no sale price on this, but that has to be a million-dollar card.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
I can't see scenario where it's not.
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Adz
That's going to be, yeah, that'll if it's not in the index, it should be.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah.
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Adz
And it'll be, yeah, like if trying to get his hands on that for sure.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Someone else's index maybe.
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Adz
great Correct. Correct.
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Russell Gibson
All right. I had to go with LeBron James. I think that LeBron is going to be in this index, particularly if we think he's holding this for a long time. As crazy as this sort of sounds, I think LeBron is relatively infant in his card, you know, in terms of, like, years being out there for.
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Adz
Interesting.
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Russell Gibson
So... Even though these ah this is a wild, it's a wild price, but actually I can see this going up in price.
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Adz
Oh, yeah, okay.
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Russell Gibson
So this last sold for $420,000. This is the 2003 Exquisite Collection patch Rookie Patch Autograph numbered to 99.
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Adz
Mm-mm.
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Russell Gibson
i feel like everyone at home knows this card already. You know, like you you don't need to jump online, you know, to find this card, to have a look at it, but...
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Maybe what I could actually do is I could put screenshots of every one of these cards up so people can look along as we're yet talking through the podcast.
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Adz
Can actually play role.
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Adz
Yeah, true. Interesting one. Yeah, right. What else have we got?
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Russell Gibson
All right, the next one here is the Steph RPA. There has to be a Steph Curry in this list. Again, i sort of I don't want to say the same thing I said about LeBron, but think there's still a lot of growth to be had in these cards, even though they are very high.
00:13:39.31
Adz
Hmm.
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Russell Gibson
2009 National Treasures. This is the horizontal, not the vertical.
00:13:44.50
Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
and I don't think that's a big deal, but I'm glad they fixed that for the modern cards. This last sold for $340,000.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Very interesting on this one is sold for nearly eight hundred thousand dollars in a private sale obviously that was in COVID, but at the same time still, like I, I do think that data is relevant looking into the future, you know,
00:14:02.55
Adz
Yeah. Okay.
00:14:10.94
Adz
Yep.
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Russell Gibson
Why can't that card basically double in price? Another Kobe in here. I don't think this has to be Kobe, but I do think that PMGs that are numbered to 10, the 1997 Metal Universe, the green PMG numbered to 10.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
This sold for $2 million dollars and this sold in February of 22. So that's three years ago. i think the Kobe market has significantly increased in the last three years. So you could make a very serious argument.
00:14:42.18
Adz
well
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Russell Gibson
um this card actually could be $4 million dollars if it was traded today. If there was a card out there that was either PSA 9, PSA 10 or Black Label, I mean, who knows what this card would be, to be honest.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
Like, what are we going to say? $5 million? $6 million? Like, it's it's hot sauce, honestly, that stuff. Yep.
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Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Paying J's a very great commodity as well.
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Russell Gibson
Keeping in the Kobe vein, let's go back to a 2003 exquisite Kobe Bryant. Now, look, this might be my own bias, what i've the people I've got on this list, but maybe these are the people who I value the most.
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Russell Gibson
So I've got Jordan, I've got LeBron, I've got Kobe, I've got Steph.
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
like In my head, these are sort of the important ones. Population on this at BGS9 is 34.
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Adz
Okay.
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Russell Gibson
This last sold for $126,000.
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Russell Gibson
I actually think that's really cheap, like considering the prices that we've just spoken about with Steph and then yeah even comparing it to the PMG, which I know it's it's two different cards.
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Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure. For for what it is
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Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
um This is like a complete conspiracy theory, this next one, and I've got absolutely nothing to back it up, but wouldn't this be fun if it was true? episode... episode hundred and sixty eight If you do want to go back and listen to this.
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Adz
I remember this one.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, we broke down the Wilt Chamberlain story because...
00:16:07.59
Adz
this This is the one that was found in a storage locker, wasn't it? Like in a grated antenna.
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Russell Gibson
Yeah, someone someone dug it up out of, you know, something, sent it off to SGC, it got a 10, they sold it for a million dollars in a private sale, and then that person re-slabbed it, or had it, sorry, let me rephrase that, had it reassessed by PSA and was crossed over to a PSA 10.
00:16:22.32
Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So,
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Adz
Wow. the iron is the It's a Pop 1.
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Russell Gibson
you know...
00:16:36.65
Adz
It's the only...
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Russell Gibson
That's right. And I think also too, like, you know, was sort of talking to you like before about, you know, how LeBron is relatively relatively young.
00:16:44.39
Adz
Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So what are we 60 years down the line for this card?
00:16:48.07
Adz
oh
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Russell Gibson
And there's only one PSA 10.
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Adz
And it just, yeah.
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Russell Gibson
So, you know, the chances of they're becoming two PSA 10s, I think that's a pretty low chance.
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Adz
bret Yeah.
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Russell Gibson
And I feel like this is something that probably should be in the Wondershine index.
00:17:02.41
Adz
Probably.
00:17:03.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:17:03.31
Adz
um Yeah, this this is definitely one of those cards.
00:17:07.83
Russell Gibson
So that's my seven. I'm putting you on the spot here, but I have to do it.
00:17:15.65
Russell Gibson
What card have I missed? What do you think should be on here?
00:17:19.06
Adz
one of the Jordan rookies.
00:17:20.74
Russell Gibson
Okay. All right.
00:17:23.74
Adz
So yeah.
00:17:23.84
Russell Gibson
I deliver ah deliberately left that off. So you you need to build an argument around this. And if you needed a bit of time just to like pull up Jordan on the card, letter I'll tell you why i left him off.
00:17:34.21
Adz
Oh, interesting.
00:17:35.68
Russell Gibson
Well, because if you think about it, Fleer at that time didn't have patch autographs, didn't have autographs. So essentially all of these cards are base. Even at PSA 10, the population is still high.
00:17:43.96
Adz
i Great. Oh,
00:17:48.24
Russell Gibson
And I feel like what we addressed before was like him not wanting to get high population cards. He's only looking at low pop stuff.
00:17:55.57
Adz
Interesting.
00:17:56.43
Russell Gibson
So that's why i feel like that Kobe Bryant with LeBron guarding him, which is the black label, I feel like
00:18:02.92
Adz
There are no black labels. I'm just having a look.
00:18:06.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so you take over now, because I've sort of told you why I think the Flea Jordan shouldn't be there.
00:18:08.29
Adz
Right.
00:18:10.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:11.08
Adz
Well, there's only one SGC 10 pristine of that rookie.
00:18:17.52
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:18:18.47
Adz
um There are 335 p sa ten s
00:18:25.86
Adz
But there's only six BGS 10s.
00:18:32.71
Russell Gibson
So...
00:18:35.43
Russell Gibson
Look, and again, I'm just showing my bias here and I'm making huge assumptions. I don't think that they want BGS 10s and SGC 10s.
00:18:43.60
Adz
that They want unique.
00:18:46.23
Russell Gibson
I think if they were going to get it, it would be PSA 10 and it would have to be something to mark that card around from everything else.
00:18:48.85
Adz
Yep.
00:18:55.38
Russell Gibson
So if there's 335 of them, I don't think they want it.
00:18:59.15
Adz
Okay.
00:18:59.47
Russell Gibson
that's That's my take.
00:19:00.22
Adz
Okay.
00:19:00.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:19:00.94
Adz
Okay. But what about what about the Pop 1 SGC 10 Pristine?
00:19:06.44
Russell Gibson
I don't think SGC is as important to high-end collectors as it is to PSA. I think PSA is more important than SGC.
00:19:13.36
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:17.51
Russell Gibson
Look, it you might disagree with me, and I'm sure there's listeners at home, but I just feel like that's more... I'm not even sure that's my opinion.
00:19:23.79
Adz
Hmm.
00:19:24.61
Russell Gibson
I just feel like that's what the reality of the situation currently is now.
00:19:29.99
Adz
You know which one I'm looking for now.
00:19:31.66
Russell Gibson
Talk to me.
00:19:32.33
Adz
The star.
00:19:35.16
Russell Gibson
I think the star is the same the same thing, but just a different card.
00:19:37.84
Adz
Vane?
00:19:41.38
Adz
Oh, wait minute.
00:19:42.10
Russell Gibson
The pop is high.
00:19:42.18
Adz
Scoring. There's nothing... um
00:19:48.24
Adz
That's the wrong scoring, Kings. ah
00:19:49.55
Russell Gibson
How about we we go to a break?
00:19:51.71
Adz
Yeah.
00:19:51.75
Russell Gibson
I'll do the ad. While we're at the break, you sort that out, and then we'll come back and we'll close the loop on this conversation.
00:19:56.90
Adz
Yeah, for sure. Let's do it.
00:19:59.01
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, guys, you can't comp this listeners. We have some very exciting news. And when I say we, I mean, Adam and i we hope you also will enjoy our excitement. We have a third sponsor for the show. So this has been something we've been trying to work out for a few months. I will admit, sometimes I do take a little while to get around to replying to my email. So Rod and George at Neon Trading Cards, thank you so much for coming on.
00:20:25.02
Russell Gibson
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00:20:41.51
Russell Gibson
They also want whatnot. They also have a reward system. The main thing that these boys are known for is soccer. However, they are branching out hard into all of the different areas too.
00:20:53.76
Russell Gibson
One small thing I will say to all listeners when you're going onto the page, when you click on, for example, soccer, just filter it down to availability and in stock because otherwise you'll just find all the thousands of breaks that are already done and run.
00:21:04.37
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:21:08.50
Russell Gibson
And it's a little bit tricky to sort of navigate that. But once you're around that, you're all good. Also, card grading and consignment services, also sealed boxes for sale. But again, filter that down to what's in stock and you'll see what you've got there.
00:21:26.01
Russell Gibson
Again, Neon Trading Cards, thank you so much for your love and support. We appreciate it.
00:21:37.13
Russell Gibson
Adam, we're back. How you doing, buddy?
00:21:39.17
Adz
I am doing great. I have two arguments for you now.
00:21:42.17
Russell Gibson
Hit me, hit me, hit me.
00:21:43.11
Adz
We've done some research.
00:21:43.97
Russell Gibson
Let's do this.
00:21:44.15
Adz
we've done
00:21:44.86
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:21:45.10
Adz
while while While the ad was running, I did some research. Right. the the you've You've got a valid point on the 1986 Fleer. i do I do think it will be one of the seven because it's Jordan's rookie card, and I think it's an iconic piece of history.
00:21:55.10
Russell Gibson
Talk to me.
00:22:01.08
Adz
So having one of them I think is important, and it'll go back to – The manifesto that when like years and years ago, when we talked about, um, the Luber manifesto about what's making trading cards great again, that someone invested in that card, calling it a million dollar card.
00:22:20.18
Adz
That is like one of the icons of basketball trading cards.
00:22:25.59
Russell Gibson
Sure.
00:22:27.07
Adz
Um,
00:22:28.31
Russell Gibson
I just don't think it's that rare, though. That's like that's my take. and
00:22:31.86
Adz
Right, so the 1984 star, so I'll stop you on the on the pop count there.
00:22:32.60
Russell Gibson
and Yeah.
00:22:38.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, hit me.
00:22:40.49
Adz
There are no PSA 10s of this card.
00:22:42.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:22:44.22
Adz
There are three BGS 9.5s, and there are three PSA 10s.
00:22:50.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:22:51.22
Adz
Nine, sorry, nine.
00:22:54.55
Adz
That is a very, very, very low pop count.
00:22:59.34
Russell Gibson
So maybe they would buy the PSA 10 when it becomes available.
00:23:01.86
Adz
If the 10 comes out, yes.
00:23:03.24
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:23:03.89
Adz
Or the the PSA 9 or the BGS 9.5 is still the highest graded one.
00:23:11.78
Adz
And the pop count is sub five.
00:23:14.56
Russell Gibson
I reckon they wait for a PSA 10 to surface and then they just shoot their load in a huge way.
00:23:15.02
Adz
There's only three of them.
00:23:21.81
Adz
Noting that the last PSA 9 sale...
00:23:22.61
Russell Gibson
That would make sense.
00:23:26.62
Adz
of the flea ah sorry of the star 1984 was 925k in May last year.
00:23:27.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah. At the star. Yeah.
00:23:32.76
Russell Gibson
That's, that's wild, isn't it, man?
00:23:35.71
Adz
So I reckon that's the card.
00:23:37.73
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:38.52
Adz
There's a Jordan. It has to be a Jordan. But you're right. like it's ah It's a base card.
00:23:43.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:23:43.75
Adz
But that's either the star or the Fleer. One of them is going to be that iconic one that you have to have in the collection. Everybody that's got one wants to show it
00:23:52.86
Russell Gibson
Mm.
00:23:53.81
Adz
Like, that's the card that you go to the museum to look at, right? One of.
00:24:00.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, I think i do. I do understand like what you're trying to say and and how, but I just think.
00:24:08.63
Adz
Well, if he releases the index, we'll find out.
00:24:11.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah, absolutely.
00:24:13.44
Adz
It's a time-will-tell scenario, I think.
00:24:15.84
Russell Gibson
That's right. We'll have to have a Luke Longley.
00:24:18.27
Adz
We will. A little bit of an Andrew gaze into the future.
00:24:23.11
Russell Gibson
All right. We were just talking about PSA. So let's keep in that PSA vein. So this is a story I found from Coach Co-Collectibles.
00:24:31.86
Adz
Yep.
00:24:32.41
Russell Gibson
And what he was talking about was basically someone submitted in a card, got back PSA 9. They were very, very confident it was PSA 10.
00:24:42.88
Adz
ye
00:24:43.00
Russell Gibson
And I would say this is the point in time where we pause the story and we ask all the listeners to say, can you remember a conversation you've either had with yourself or someone else that you know that's used this exact same words?
00:24:55.53
Russell Gibson
I am actually remembering another conversation that I had with John from Fast Break Trading Cards. He, like, word for word. So then he sent it back into PSA under their program that's called Slab of Review, which costs $150.
00:25:11.87
Adz
Mm.
00:25:12.31
Russell Gibson
It's the fast turnaround. And the card was then upgraded from PSA 9 to PSA 10.
00:25:18.58
Adz
Yep.
00:25:18.76
Russell Gibson
And then basically it doubled his money from like, you know, 2K up to 5K. that's the incentive for people to want to do this.
00:25:28.85
Adz
Wow.
00:25:29.93
Russell Gibson
ae My take on this, and...
00:25:35.05
Russell Gibson
you know, call me up when I'm wrong here. I just think that PSA should have done their job properly in the first place.
00:25:39.95
Adz
Mm.
00:25:40.16
Russell Gibson
And all it does is incentivize them to grade them PSA 9, ask people to pay another $150. Now they're getting two grading fees and they're getting potentially, you know, a much higher grading fee the second time around.
00:25:53.20
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:54.98
Russell Gibson
Because if you're paying, say, $30 or $40 the first time, and now you're paying $150 US dollars the second time, And then they give you the 10. And so like, are you just buying 10s? Are they not doing their job properly in the first place? Is it both of them at the same time?
00:26:10.01
Adz
Yeah. It's just like what you protest and they, they upgrade it naturally or like how you'd have to be pretty confident to do it.
00:26:19.50
Russell Gibson
I've got a card in my collection that,
00:26:23.04
Russell Gibson
I mean, look, this is the thing of when you buy a BGS 9.5 card, you send it in hoping to get a PSA 10 and it comes back a 9. Like, I know that risk is there, but when I look at that card, I'm like, this thing looks pretty clean, you know?
00:26:31.42
Adz
ah yeah yeah you don't see it as a it yeah yeah yeah
00:26:35.09
Russell Gibson
So, but like, that's the type of thing where I'm like, actually, I probably wouldn't mind to send this in for card review.
00:26:44.24
Adz
and be interesting i don't know i just i it yeah worries me being able to send in and go oh can you please here's some extra money can you change the grade
00:26:46.66
Russell Gibson
I personally...
00:26:53.64
Russell Gibson
Oh, absolutely. I think it's a conflict of interest within within there were and processes.
00:26:56.68
Adz
Yeah, yeah. They should have quality control that guarantees there their assessments. like what Like, you're saying you get it wrong.
00:27:03.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what it is. So should you then get your initial grading fee refunded?
00:27:08.48
Adz
Correct. There's got to be... Like, paying for the privilege of correcting their mistake sames seems ridiculous.
00:27:17.65
Russell Gibson
Or should you get the $150 back? Like why, you know what i mean? Like why do you have to pay twice?
00:27:21.35
Adz
Why are you a pay why are you paying for it
00:27:23.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So maybe that's the gamble. You send it in, you pay your 150. It comes back as the same grade. You pay the 150. If it comes back higher, I don't know.
00:27:33.96
Adz
o
00:27:34.15
Russell Gibson
But then what? PSA would never up it to a 10 then, would they? That would be like...
00:27:38.37
Adz
i'm curious so I'm curious to know how many reviews they get.
00:27:43.09
Russell Gibson
So the other...
00:27:43.93
Adz
it's free It's free money for PSA.
00:27:44.09
Russell Gibson
well This is not on the list, but this is actually like very relevant. Allegedly, they're increasing their fees.
00:27:48.77
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:50.49
Russell Gibson
And the reason for that is is because they've got so many cards coming in. We saw this happen during COVID times where they had so many cards.
00:27:55.85
Adz
Yeah.
00:27:58.84
Russell Gibson
A way to control the number of cards coming to them getting greater Eastmont was to you know increase the the fee.
00:28:01.14
Adz
Yep.
00:28:06.32
Adz
Yep.
00:28:06.77
Russell Gibson
And I've got to be honest with you, I don't want to pay more money for any service like and I'm not endorsing you know just increasing fees. like That's not what I'm saying. But I also do think you do need to put something in place to stop it. And I think that's a very logical thing.
00:28:21.60
Russell Gibson
And I also think too on lower end cards, it does change the complete equation in terms of getting a cheap card, sending it in, hoping it gets a PSA 10 and then you sell it off for $40 or $50. It sort of takes all that gamble away. And I feel like That's the best way to keep those cheap cards from being sent in and subbed.
00:28:42.02
Adz
Yeah.
00:28:42.70
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:28:42.83
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:43.96
Russell Gibson
Yeah. ah Final thing on PSA, which I think actually it's still very relevant. PSA is opening up in Germany. This is from SportsCards Investor. PSA card is opening PSA Europe in Frankfurt, Germany in summer 2026, marking their first full-time scale authentication and grading operation in Europe.
00:29:03.98
Russell Gibson
I think this is absolutely fantastic.
00:29:04.08
Adz
Okay.
00:29:06.20
Russell Gibson
This goes along with Germany opening up, you know, and we're just talking about
00:29:06.31
Adz
Kicking goals. Yep.
00:29:10.90
Adz
And yep.
00:29:11.59
Russell Gibson
Taking some pressure off, you know reducing down times. Maybe this doesn't reduce to down the price, but also too, other benefits of this too is that meet the growing demand for Europe's thriving collectibles market.
00:29:25.16
Adz
to hundred
00:29:25.35
Russell Gibson
Allow submissions to be processed locally. No more international shipping, custom hassle. That would be fantastic if that was in Australia too. Create 100 plus jobs across marketing operations and customer service logistics.
00:29:37.08
Russell Gibson
Yep, A plus. I'm totally fine with this.
00:29:39.45
Adz
Yeah.
00:29:39.83
Russell Gibson
Look, you know, the selfishly, i would love to see one be open in Australia. I don't think we have a big enough market for that.
00:29:46.01
Adz
No. not not Not yet.
00:29:47.61
Russell Gibson
I hope that, I hope we can sub to Japan.
00:29:48.44
Adz
Yeah. yeah
00:29:50.28
Russell Gibson
That will be my sort of compromise or, you know, wish.
00:29:51.64
Adz
Yeah, sub locally, yeah.
00:29:53.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:29:54.21
Adz
Yep, yep, just a closer. Stops all the nonsense with the US as well.
00:29:59.23
Russell Gibson
That's it. All right. This is for you, buddy.
00:30:05.47
Adz
Oh, the Pippin.
00:30:06.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:07.68
Adz
Pippin. I spotted this the other day. You'd already popped it in the run sheet and then I shared it again.
00:30:11.31
Russell Gibson
That's okay, but I still think you should run with this. This is your boy.
00:30:14.08
Adz
Yes.
00:30:14.59
Russell Gibson
yeah
00:30:14.88
Adz
Yeah. It 1997 Skybox EX 2001 Scotty Pippin, the essential credentials, PSA 9. Yeah.
00:30:28.45
Russell Gibson
That is a mouthful.
00:30:29.71
Adz
Yeah. yeah Number 211. Is it? No. Number?
00:30:34.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:30:35.02
Adz
Is it? Is it number 211?
00:30:36.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's the I'd read that.
00:30:39.50
Adz
It suggests it is. um Sold for on the 13th of September for $108,580. That is one Pippin that's probably not going to be in my PC anytime soon.
00:30:52.50
Russell Gibson
No, maybe a a raw or a,
00:30:57.02
Adz
Oh, I'd love to have the card in in a raw type, like ah but not the variant like that.
00:30:59.90
Russell Gibson
but I suppose even to 11 would be pretty hard to get, wouldn't it?
00:31:03.03
Adz
Yeah. But yeah, that's ah that's ah that's a very nice Pippin.
00:31:07.52
Russell Gibson
So for me, Pippin's such a tricky one because I put him into that bracket of his talent outweighs the price that people pay for his cards. Like Pippin's just not popular in the hobby.
00:31:18.93
Russell Gibson
So I'm really happy to see big sales like this happening.
00:31:22.02
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:23.61
Russell Gibson
For me, aesthetically, I'm,
00:31:23.96
Adz
Pippen's strange. I don't know. like Because of who he was the number two for, I don't know. He'd be number one everywhere. Everywhere else he went, he was like the number one guy. but
00:31:40.14
Russell Gibson
I think this was realistically probably more about me being a petulant teenager, but I loved Pippen more than Jordan.
00:31:46.44
Adz
I had a Pippen jersey. I didn't have a Jordan jersey.
00:31:48.50
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I just loved his game. Like, ah just the way he competed and he was all around the court and I just found, you know, whatever.
00:31:50.21
Adz
Yeah.
00:31:53.15
Adz
Defensive. Yeah.
00:31:56.36
Russell Gibson
But, like... Yeah, I don't find this card that aesthetically pleasing, but I do think this is a win for like Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Scotty Pippen collectors. Maybe these higher prices will start to sort of filter out to more those kind of uncollected and but still amazing players. Yeah,
00:32:14.76
Adz
It shows that there there is some, there are some still high-end players chase cards in, in, in your PC.
00:32:20.74
Russell Gibson
yeah i actually wonder at the end of the day, what drove this card price up so high was the the numbering on it.
00:32:27.37
Adz
It's going to be, no, it's, it's going to be put into the, it's number seven of the, no, the Wondershine index. He's a Pippin fan. No, I'm kidding.
00:32:35.89
Russell Gibson
Interesting. I mean, it could be, I think, think that's a a bit of a stretch.
00:32:40.72
Adz
injur Anything, anything that sells high these days is like, it's going in the Wondershine index.
00:32:45.65
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, there's a bit of that that's in my head at the moment. Like, what is going on with all these cards that's selling so high?
00:32:51.11
Adz
seven cards. the guy's going to have more than that for his exhibition if he's going to send it to a museum. Yeah,
00:32:57.29
Russell Gibson
I mean, by the time he gets to an exhibition, like if he's already bought eight cards in a couple of months...
00:33:01.69
Adz
yeah. It's going to be a pretty cool exhibition.
00:33:05.29
Russell Gibson
All right, let's do this story, then we'll go for a break because we sort of ran over time for the first section we did. All righty. So this is called the cheap case hit section. So this card comes out of Chinese New year Revolution.
00:33:18.29
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:33:18.40
Russell Gibson
And looking back, so in particular, I'm talking about 24, 25, but actually they've been out in the last couple of years. When you hold them in your hand, the star factors, they look Not quite like I was going to say Genesis. That's not what this KC is called.
00:33:36.48
Russell Gibson
What's the KC at a Revo ad? I've gone a blank.
00:33:38.68
Adz
Oh, the Kaboom.
00:33:41.82
Russell Gibson
No, it's.
00:33:42.73
Adz
There, okay, is it?
00:33:45.83
Russell Gibson
I have to pause this. Yeah.
00:33:47.95
Adz
There we go. It's the original listing. Oh, this is a... um
00:33:56.90
Adz
It's a die cut.
00:33:58.61
Russell Gibson
It's a die cut. um NBA revolution case hit. It's
00:34:11.42
Russell Gibson
not fractal.
00:34:14.86
Adz
yeah No, not impact. um Galactic? No.
00:34:18.55
Russell Gibson
Yeah, galactic. Yep. Thank you. All right, them back in. 3424. thirty four twenty four So yeah, so when you hold it in your hand, it feels and looks almost like a Galactic, but it has a slightly different finish to a Galactic.
00:34:36.65
Adz
Yeah.
00:34:37.38
Russell Gibson
And it's kind of one of those cards that when you're looking at online, it doesn't look that cool, but it's just really, really nice in your hand. So...
00:34:43.88
Adz
eye cuts Die cuts always interest me.
00:34:47.01
Russell Gibson
So I think that's the the downside of this particular case hit, though. It is a die cut. Typically, die cuts don't do as well or don't grade well, but also don't sell as well as like a regular card.
00:34:52.70
Adz
Don't grade well.
00:34:57.94
Adz
It's bizarre.
00:34:58.09
Russell Gibson
So the one in particular that I actually did pick up for myself just because I was like, this is just too cheap and it's a case hit. I got the Trey Young for $5 US. So we're not but not talking about you know huge dollars here.
00:35:08.60
Adz
Wow.
00:35:12.34
Russell Gibson
The Yo'Kick is selling for around 50 Aussie.
00:35:12.42
Adz
Yeah.
00:35:14.51
Russell Gibson
The LeBron is selling for like 100. The Wemby is around that 100 to sort of 150, $200 mark. It's a little bit all over the place.
00:35:22.06
Adz
Okay.
00:35:23.05
Russell Gibson
But you know in terms of maybe you wanted to chase a set, it's not a huge checklist in it.
00:35:27.28
Adz
Okay.
00:35:30.61
Russell Gibson
I don't mind this card at all, actually. I think it's a really fun one just to to check out because...
00:35:35.15
Adz
Yeah.
00:35:37.73
Russell Gibson
I don't know
00:35:38.20
Adz
I like it.
00:35:39.36
Russell Gibson
I'm very reluctant to say, oh, this is going to go up in the future. I don't think so. But at the same time, i would also probably say, i don't think you're going to lose much on this. Like if you're picking up a case hit for $5. Yeah.
00:35:50.04
Adz
Then yeahre yeah you're in front, right?
00:35:51.63
Russell Gibson
yeah My feeling is that that card is just, if, you know, it's not going to go down, maybe it'll go up just a little bit. So yeah. Alrighty. Let's go to a break. And when we come back, we will talk about the highest sold downtown on record.
00:36:05.06
Adz
Yoics.
00:36:07.76
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. Thank you to Fastbreak Trading Cards for your... Support over a very long period of time. Go to fastbreaktradingcards.com. There you'll find sealed products, product storage, and also protection.
00:36:25.13
Russell Gibson
You can get grading services. When you go into their shop in Tulip Street in Cheltenham, you'll also find fantastic customer service. Keeping in mind, they're now open Thursday, Friday.
00:36:38.88
Russell Gibson
Saturday and also Sunday. Now, this week's Spotlight is...
00:36:45.86
Russell Gibson
Disney 2025 Topps Chrome is releasing this week.
00:36:49.59
Adz
o
00:36:50.92
Russell Gibson
This is not something that's in my wheelhouse. However, i know there's a lot of fans out there that have been really enjoying ripping this product. I've seen a few videos online about it. There's autographs in it. There was a quad auto. I don't understand how this happens, how they've got the different Disney characters that have got signatures.
00:37:07.91
Russell Gibson
I don't know who signs them
00:37:10.48
Adz
Yeah.
00:37:10.69
Russell Gibson
isn't it Is it an employee of Disney? Is it the actual character actors that do it? I've got no idea.
00:37:17.48
Adz
i'm I've no idea at all.
00:37:20.09
Russell Gibson
in terms of a round ball that's been coming out, we've got the 2025 Bowman Chrome Baseball.
00:37:26.67
Adz
Okay.
00:37:28.26
Russell Gibson
If you're a chrome Bowman Chrome guy, this is one of those releases that you have to get around. It is an important baseball release. Thank you again to the lads at Fast Break Trading Cards.
00:37:45.26
Russell Gibson
And Adam, we are back.
00:37:47.10
Adz
We're back.
00:37:48.18
Russell Gibson
How you doing, buddy?
00:37:49.29
Adz
Very good. Very good. Been an interesting one so far.
00:37:53.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah, we've been chopping through it. Alrighty. Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant. LeBron James. 2024 Donruss Optic. LeBron James.
00:38:04.65
Russell Gibson
Downtown gold vinyl. One of one.
00:38:07.70
Adz
Whee!
00:38:07.76
Russell Gibson
Recently sold as the most expensive downtown ever. And actually, this is surprises me. There's a piece of mine. I'm like, this doesn't sound as high. fit Every single downtown ever, but also for the all-time high.
00:38:22.94
Russell Gibson
So this sold for $114,575. five hundred and seventy five We were talking about the Shine or the Wonder Index earlier. do you think this card is in the the index?
00:38:33.89
Adz
the No.
00:38:38.46
Adz
Just no.
00:38:39.34
Russell Gibson
Okay. Okay.
00:38:39.70
Adz
I don't think this is the LeBron. I feel like, and this is just my take on the Wondershine, I think he's going to have seven different players.
00:38:51.12
Adz
like it's It's like assembling the Justice League.
00:38:56.82
Russell Gibson
Maybe.
00:38:59.03
Adz
Do know what i mean? Like ah it'll be an iconic, maybe I'm wrong.
00:38:59.76
Russell Gibson
yeah. yeah
00:39:02.60
Adz
maybe Maybe it won't be. maybe But having like a Will, a Bill Russell, ah like i think one from everybody, this is not going to be the LeBron.
00:39:14.07
Russell Gibson
So I feel like for me, this is way under what it should have gone for, particularly at PSA 10.
00:39:20.00
Adz
Yeah, true. I don't know. i As far as a card goes,
00:39:29.98
Adz
I don't know. I'm not excited by it.
00:39:36.19
Russell Gibson
I wonder if it's one of those cards too, again, like we're just talking about the star factor.
00:39:40.07
Adz
Yeah.
00:39:40.59
Russell Gibson
Does it actually look better when you're holding it in your hand?
00:39:43.16
Adz
Maybe. Yeah. that that Okay. That's, that's a good point. Cause I like the, I mean, there are couple of, there's a Kobe downtown in 2016 that is, yeah.
00:39:47.13
Russell Gibson
but
00:39:49.80
Adz
Yeah.
00:39:50.21
Russell Gibson
I agree.
00:39:50.29
Adz
that is
00:39:50.65
Russell Gibson
The artwork on that is not exactly engaging, is it?
00:39:51.05
Adz
yeah
00:39:53.84
Russell Gibson
It's just, it looks like a road, a freeway in l LA. That's all I'm getting on that.
00:39:57.42
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:58.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:39:58.82
Adz
and and And the traffic's not even accurate. There's only three cars on the road, if that's LA.
00:40:03.32
Russell Gibson
should be a Should be a traffic jam, shouldn't it?
00:40:04.40
Adz
Yeah, exactly. There should be like maybe tiny three tiny gaps and the rest are cars, but let's not nip, okay?
00:40:14.09
Russell Gibson
WNBA review time. So last week we spoke about Caitlin Clark's injury. and We're going to keep an eye on it. This is from Market Movers app. This is showing the decline in Caitlin Clark's kaboom number to 10.
00:40:26.87
Adz
Uh-oh.
00:40:26.86
Russell Gibson
So it sold on the 28th of August for 84,000.
00:40:30.83
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:40:31.76
Russell Gibson
On the 6th of September, it sold for 50K. And on the 21st, it for 40. I... Look... i look I feel like you've been saying this for a while, is that in your mind, WNBA is a very high-risk investment.
00:40:47.38
Adz
Agreed.
00:40:47.84
Russell Gibson
And I think this is an example of that high-reward, high-risk sort of scenario.
00:40:50.64
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:40:54.98
Russell Gibson
i feel if you bought into this at 50K, even if it goes down a little bit, you're holding onto it long-term, I think you're going to be totally fine.
00:41:00.80
Adz
Yeah.
00:41:02.11
Russell Gibson
I think at 80, that's maybe the price you'd be hoping to sell it for if you bought it at 50.
00:41:02.58
Adz
know
00:41:07.38
Russell Gibson
And if you're picking this up at 40, look, I've actually... I don't have a massive problem with this, but at the same time...
00:41:14.67
Adz
It's all. It's been Caitlin Clark's on the band on the sidelines. She's not playing. It's like, it'll go up.
00:41:21.15
Russell Gibson
But if you can go $114,000 for a lelo LeBron one of one, I probably think I'd rather the LeBron one of one than the Caitlin Clark.
00:41:33.26
Adz
Agreed. Completely agree.
00:41:35.42
Russell Gibson
But at the same time... Yeah. For me, this is a really weird one. So look, I really think, I don't think that's going to the Wondershine index.
00:41:41.70
Adz
Yeah.
00:41:45.23
Russell Gibson
I think that's way too high risk. I i think that would be almost,
00:41:47.63
Adz
Oh, is Caitlin Clark going to be one of the cards that goes to the Wondershine index?
00:41:51.40
Russell Gibson
I would say not for another 20 years. Like I really think he wants like established every single card is a banger.
00:41:57.09
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was saying we'll build magic.
00:41:59.61
Russell Gibson
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:01.31
Adz
Good.
00:42:01.65
Russell Gibson
That's it. Yeah.
00:42:02.17
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
00:42:03.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:42:03.82
Adz
is that All right, so is the other card that I missed, by the way, the the triple, the scoring leaders, the bird Magic Johnson?
00:42:03.90
Russell Gibson
ah This,
00:42:09.69
Russell Gibson
No, no, in no, in no scenario, I don't think that card gets in. It's just, yeah.
00:42:18.78
Adz
Really?
00:42:19.80
Russell Gibson
I mean, look, if I, if I hate the Jordan rookie card, you, you can't then put that card in.
00:42:22.83
Adz
Yeah, all right.
00:42:24.82
Russell Gibson
do you know what i mean? Like if you're asking me, that's, that's my answer. Yeah. All right, back to WNBA. Cameron Brink, Black Finite, one of one, just sold for $12,600, PSA 9.
00:42:31.20
Adz
Back to the W. Yeah, I've just segued it.
00:42:37.24
Adz
Okay. 101.
00:42:38.09
Russell Gibson
Look, for me, this is so challenging. Like, if I'm 50-50 about a $40,000 purchase for Caitlin Clark, I'm way out on this Cameron Brink You know, I think the person who bought this, i really hope that they bought this for their PC and i hope that they didn't buy this to flip in the future.
00:42:50.92
Adz
one one
00:42:58.51
Russell Gibson
You know, you were talking about risk. I find this is the highest risk card that we've spoken about tonight.
00:43:02.88
Adz
That's, matt yeah, okay.
00:43:04.05
Russell Gibson
Yep.
00:43:04.44
Adz
For sure, for sure.
00:43:06.48
Russell Gibson
I've got my own personal WNBA footnote for tonight. So without going into too much detail, I listed a break this week, went into my cupboard.
00:43:11.14
Adz
Oh, yeah.
00:43:14.82
Russell Gibson
I like to take pictures of everything before I list them just so I don't list something that I don't have, which I will admit I have done in the past.
00:43:19.20
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:43:21.05
Russell Gibson
So to stop that from happening. That's what I do. I've only got two boxes of WNBA lifts. I'm like, okay, great. I need to buy some more. Go online to buy some more. None at EJ cards. None at fast break trading cards.
00:43:33.17
Russell Gibson
None at Cherry. So now I'm starting to think like... What's going on? Look at David Adams, none on David Adams.
00:43:41.92
Russell Gibson
Go to a place where I know they've probably got some, but I'm going to be paying for it. Basically, I'm paying an extra $200 per box, what I had previously paid.
00:43:51.61
Adz
Wow, that's insane.
00:43:52.84
Russell Gibson
And that's before that's before I pay shipping and that's before I pay taxes at the border. So effectively, we could be looking at double the price. i I think this is really interesting. And I i think that it says a lot about the market in terms of how much they printed because they didn't print anywhere near what they printed for NBA.
00:44:09.17
Adz
ah
00:44:14.78
Adz
Okay.
00:44:14.80
Russell Gibson
I also think too, that it probably says to me that people who have been jumping into the Caitlin Clark bandwagon are now kind of like, well, actually, I wouldn't mind it seeing what a different WNBA product looks like that I can just buy myself.
00:44:30.34
Russell Gibson
Cause I think at the end of the day, that's why that product for me was so appealing is because it's like, you can open a box for say 300
00:44:31.40
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:40.08
Adz
yeah
00:44:40.44
Russell Gibson
everyone Everyone can have a dabble. Even if you do, you know you skunk out, it's not a huge loss that we're talking about here. And so i i i actually wonder if people have just buy been buying these boxes for themselves.
00:44:53.38
Russell Gibson
I find it really difficult to believe that breakers have just gone out and bought everything. Because I haven't seen any retro WNBA breaks. like Have you seen any listed?
00:45:04.32
Adz
No, but I i also, part of me is a bit of a conspiracy theorist.
00:45:05.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:11.83
Adz
Obviously, I've gone on my side quest the last few weeks with Pokemon. ah
00:45:16.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:45:17.41
Adz
but But you know, the like people have been, and the joke is with Pokemon, if you want to make money in Pokemon cards, just buy sealed product and put it away.
00:45:29.13
Adz
So maybe with the boom, especially with Caitlin Clark being the boom, people are just buying stock and putting it away.
00:45:34.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's, you can't rule that out.
00:45:40.87
Adz
Cause I just taking it out of the market makes it scarce. Right. And that drives price.
00:45:48.47
Adz
I don't know.
00:45:49.86
Russell Gibson
Or they've just seen something that they think is just cheap, undervalued, probably going to go up in the future.
00:45:52.89
Adz
ah Yep. Buy a lot of it. Put it away.
00:45:56.44
Russell Gibson
ye
00:45:56.63
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:57.51
Russell Gibson
I mean, it's so like, for me, this is so ironic because a couple of years ago you couldn't sell it and you could buy as much as you want at the bottom price.
00:46:01.20
Adz
No, wanted it. No, I wanted it. Right. Yeah. and And that's what Caitlin's done though. That's why. 100%. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:07.44
Russell Gibson
And people were just like, thank God you're taking this off my hands, you know? And I had two cases myself just sitting in my cupboard collecting dust. Like that's, that's what happened. Like it was anyway,
00:46:17.44
Adz
yeah
00:46:20.80
Russell Gibson
I think this is a good thing.
00:46:22.97
Adz
yeah
00:46:22.98
Russell Gibson
i don't think I don't think this is terrible, but just ah a bit of a footnote to keep an eye on. Into NBA news. We'll do this and we'll go for a break ad.
00:46:31.80
Adz
Mmm.
00:46:32.69
Russell Gibson
Zion has been putting in the work this offseason. The media day photographs of him looked like a different person. There's one particular photograph where he's sitting with a blue background that's got black and shades coming through.
00:46:49.48
Russell Gibson
ah It looks like a different person, honestly. He looks fantastic. His press conference, he seemed very happy to be back playing basketball, happy to lead the team.
00:47:03.35
Adz
Yeah.
00:47:04.46
Russell Gibson
If you're a Pelicans fan and you're a Zion holder, this is very, very, very positive news. I think that...
00:47:16.11
Russell Gibson
Where are you at with this?
00:47:18.56
Adz
i have health concerns with regards to Zion being staying.
00:47:21.94
Russell Gibson
Of course.
00:47:22.84
Adz
And I think even if he slimmed down, has his body taken too much of a toll already.
00:47:23.11
Russell Gibson
Of course. Yeah.
00:47:28.61
Adz
So my, my big concern is how long does stay healthy for?
00:47:31.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
00:47:32.11
Adz
Um, And I hope he keeps it off. I hope easy if he gets in a good shape and he gets in it the match, bit of bulk through the season, but it's just that's muscle. It's not going anything else. Like, he could be, yeah, a machine. Who knows?
00:47:47.92
Russell Gibson
So we've already seen a market reaction to this.
00:47:48.25
Adz
this. Really? Mm-hmm.
00:47:52.02
Adz
to this
00:47:52.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So this traded at $208 September the 16th.
00:47:53.65
Adz
really
00:47:59.63
Russell Gibson
The last four sales go like this. $299, $340, $360, and $379. In the month, he's 70%. That huge jump. Very, very quickly. Yeah. in the last month he's up seventy percent
00:48:13.65
Russell Gibson
that is a huge jump
00:48:15.18
Adz
Jeez, the market reacts very quickly and knee-jerk a lot, doesn't it?
00:48:17.11
Russell Gibson
very very quickly yeah so
00:48:23.14
Adz
Just steadily, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:48:23.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's a fun one.
00:48:25.38
Adz
Just steadily increasing.
00:48:27.17
Russell Gibson
Population on this 1,852. Look, i I personally think the strategy on this is probably to unload Zions that you've already got as he starts to pick up again.
00:48:38.74
Adz
um um I'm sorry, but if you're paying more than 200 for a Zion rookie, you've got rocks in your head. Something's wrong.
00:48:47.39
Adz
i How many times has this guy let people down?
00:48:50.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, 100%. I think this card could easily go to $500, Dad. I think there's no...
00:48:55.63
Adz
I mean, aside from Phoenix fans, like perpetual.
00:48:58.61
Russell Gibson
six This could go to $600, I would say, easy. Easy.
00:49:03.02
Adz
But what happens if he gets injured? Game three, he's out for six weeks. yeah
00:49:06.73
Russell Gibson
Sure, that's a $200 cardigan. we've We've seen that. this story
00:49:09.48
Adz
Instantly.
00:49:09.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah, the story's been written already, yeah.
00:49:11.93
Adz
and and But he's prone to it now. I don't know. I worry. I worry. I wouldn't be knee-jerking on Zion based on an image. Seeing Luka fit and playing in the Euro, that was a positive sign, right?
00:49:25.28
Adz
But he was outputting on the floor. Zion's just got slim. He hasn't played any games. He just got slim.
00:49:32.90
Russell Gibson
Maybe it will get to 600 after they, um, everyone watches Zion Duncan or the Aussies.
00:49:39.83
Adz
When Zion loses to the to Melbourne United...
00:49:45.15
Adz
It gets owned by... No, that's not going to happen. Anyway.
00:49:51.34
Russell Gibson
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00:50:11.48
Russell Gibson
Ross's p Pet Project at the moment is his Check Out My Cards Australia. He's just had another massive submission this week. He's also working out how to do the bulk uploading and also the bulk pricing on all of his cards.
00:50:26.07
Russell Gibson
So he's very happy about that. He was raving about that in the group chat this week. Don't forget, when you do do your submission, write UConnCompThis on there for a completely free submission.
00:50:37.07
Russell Gibson
Thank you to US Sports Cards Australia for your ongoing support.
00:50:54.14
Russell Gibson
All righty, buddy, we are back.
00:50:56.31
Adz
into the final countdown.
00:50:58.65
Russell Gibson
Final countdown, we're going to talk about a Mr. Jared, spelled J-A-R-E-D, McCain. He was the rookie from the Philadelphia 76ers last year.
00:51:12.86
Russell Gibson
he signed for Panini, and also he had a good rookie year. People went crazy for this kid. I think that he's a really tricky one for me to prospect because
00:51:25.84
Russell Gibson
I think he's on a, actually like a pretty good team in Philadelphia, but then they had an absolutely terrible year last year.
00:51:32.05
Adz
True.
00:51:33.15
Russell Gibson
and
00:51:33.29
Adz
Very, very true.
00:51:33.96
Russell Gibson
I just, I just sort of want, like, I just worry about this guy, like in terms of over buying into him, but at the same time, you know people have loved him.
00:51:35.75
Adz
oh
00:51:40.63
Russell Gibson
So i think I'm on the outside for this guy, honestly, in terms of,
00:51:41.43
Adz
True.
00:51:45.83
Adz
Well, hopefully he hasn't hurt himself too bad and it's it's only small injury, so.
00:51:50.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so an injury update for this young man is that he tore his UCL in his right thumb.
00:51:57.28
Adz
Yeah. That could be a a niggling of a hell of an injury though.
00:52:01.15
Russell Gibson
I think that's like a six-month injury.
00:52:04.18
Adz
Yeah.
00:52:04.21
Russell Gibson
I don't think that's a quick one.
00:52:06.74
Adz
don't have a hand injury, so.
00:52:08.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:52:09.87
Adz
Could impact a lot of things like his shooting. Yeah.
00:52:12.84
Russell Gibson
So this was just announced two days ago. i couldn't find anything that actually said this is his timeline. I think it's too soon for all type stuff. So we might have an update on that next week. I thought what we could actually do though was go into card letter. He's not on the index.
00:52:26.84
Russell Gibson
However, he does have his sales on there and we could go through some of his high sold.
00:52:30.90
Adz
chum
00:52:31.47
Russell Gibson
His black one-of-one rookie card PSA 8 sold for $24,000, which is really interesting because that's actually his high sold card, which outsold NT RPAs,
00:52:43.50
Adz
Wow.
00:52:44.84
Russell Gibson
His Optic Kaboom 3 out of 10, that sold for $16,000. His Kaboom Gold to 10, PSA, what is that?
00:52:56.80
Russell Gibson
PSA 8, that sold for $12,000. Scrolling down a little bit, going to look at his National Treasures.
00:53:05.84
Russell Gibson
BGS 8.5, that sold for some of this stuff is you know really
00:53:12.49
Adz
oh
00:53:13.38
Russell Gibson
moving at a high high number look
00:53:18.82
Russell Gibson
Yeah, you Jared McCain fans out there, let me know what like why you're so high on him. Because for me, I find this kid super risky. like Being behind Embiid, Tyrese Maxey, I'm probably more interested in Tyrese Maxey out of anyone on the 76ers.
00:53:33.78
Adz
Yeah.
00:53:35.03
Russell Gibson
And Paul George has zero love.
00:53:35.39
Adz
Maxis.
00:53:39.48
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, you know like could you argue that Paul George is going to have a better career than Jared McCain?
00:53:47.40
Adz
I'm sure you could argue that.
00:53:51.64
Adz
But I don't know.
00:53:52.59
Russell Gibson
Wow.
00:53:52.82
Adz
Like the the kids barely played.
00:53:55.46
Russell Gibson
Really quick side note. Tyrese Maxey is currently trading 180, which is half the price of a Zion.
00:54:04.19
Adz
No.
00:54:08.05
Adz
That's insane.
00:54:11.61
Russell Gibson
It does sound terrible when you say it like that.
00:54:11.81
Adz
I mean, he's not in a good situation. He's not in a good situation in Philly, but...
00:54:19.09
Russell Gibson
Alrighty. This one's for me. Free agency update. This is from Shams Sharania. Free agent center forward Precious Achua has agreed to a one-year deal with the Miami Heat.
00:54:33.42
Russell Gibson
ah This is a reunion because he was originally drafted by the Heat. He left as a free agent, I believe, to go to the Knicks.
00:54:37.24
Adz
Mm-hmm.
00:54:40.40
Russell Gibson
I actually, sorry, he went to Toronto then the Knicks, I lied to you.
00:54:40.76
Adz
Nice snack.
00:54:44.34
Russell Gibson
I actually thought he was okay.
00:54:44.42
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:46.19
Russell Gibson
Like he sort of fitted their system last year. i know he didn't get a lot of minutes, so it kind of makes sense.
00:54:48.82
Adz
Yeah.
00:54:51.88
Russell Gibson
He would go back to the Heat. My only thing with the Heat this year is, and I was actually listening to David Thorpe talking about the Heat today. and like actually, i think they made a really like relevant point that the ah offense last season was so terrible
00:54:59.58
Adz
Mm.
00:55:06.23
Russell Gibson
They've got so many prospects on that team. It's almost like muddied in together. It's like, it's really hard to sort of stand out on that team.
00:55:11.54
Adz
It gets, yeah. Yeah, exactly right.
00:55:15.26
Russell Gibson
So unless they promised him 15 minutes a game, 20 minutes a game, something along those lines, like it's a little bit tricky for me to sort of see where he fits in.
00:55:21.83
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:24.21
Russell Gibson
Look, you know, I'm going to put this down to like, this guy's got more talent than the time he plays. but That's the way I look at him. I think he's a really skilled big guy, but
00:55:32.96
Adz
And you'll earn some extra court time though. Like if you, yeah.
00:55:34.88
Russell Gibson
Well, hopefully, but I just feel like the situations he's been in, it hasn't been great for him as a as an individual. So anyway, stay away from buying precious Achua paper.
00:55:41.71
Adz
Yeah.
00:55:45.19
Russell Gibson
I think that's the passing sentiment.
00:55:47.76
Adz
Okay.
00:55:48.36
Russell Gibson
ah This next one I've labeled, why is this so high? And this is from Card Ladder, Eamon Thompson, Black Prism 1 of 1. It sold for $50,266. Adam, two hundred and sixty six dollars adam Why are people paying $50,000 for an Eamon Thompson one of one?
00:56:06.50
Adz
Because they got it confused with his brother. His brother's not that good, actually. um
00:56:11.55
Russell Gibson
I think he's the better one, technically.
00:56:15.51
Adz
Maybe they they think this is it. they're going all The Rockets are going to the moon this year with Kevin Durant.
00:56:21.21
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:23.33
Adz
Little do they know that man's used to destroying teams, not not helping them go to the promised land. Yeah.
00:56:31.03
Russell Gibson
So for the same price, you could have got the Caitlin Clark kaboom to 10 and had 10K left over.
00:56:36.27
Adz
I was going to say and change. You could buy the the the the Brink and the Clark. Almost.
00:56:42.88
Russell Gibson
You could buy 20 Zions with the pocket change.
00:56:44.10
Adz
Almost.
00:56:49.48
Adz
True. True. you couldn't buy the You couldn't buy the LeBron downtown though. Or a Pippen.
00:56:54.57
Russell Gibson
You could not.
00:56:55.78
Adz
No.
00:56:56.30
Russell Gibson
You could not.
00:56:57.32
Adz
No. But you could...
00:56:58.13
Russell Gibson
All right, so no, seriously, is this a good bias?
00:56:58.64
Adz
I don't think...
00:57:00.21
Russell Gibson
Is this terrible? Like, where are you at with this?
00:57:02.44
Adz
i don't
00:57:05.12
Adz
I don't think preseason it's a goodbye. We haven't even seen what he's done in the offseason, Thompson. do you know what I mean? Like, got to see them perform a little bit.
00:57:11.71
Russell Gibson
A
00:57:16.46
Russell Gibson
few comments on this one. People are pointing out that it's from the set Deco, which is another variant of Prism.
00:57:23.16
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
00:57:25.05
Russell Gibson
And they basically just ah just gave them more room to print more stock out, and they used the old template, which everyone loved from 2012-13.
00:57:33.09
Adz
Yep. Yep. They did.
00:57:34.63
Russell Gibson
um So a few people saying that, you know, do they know it's DECA? DECA is gimmicky like Prism Monopoly, but time will tell. i I'm not too sure i agree with that take, because Prism Monopoly genuinely is gimmicky, and ah feel like...
00:57:48.72
Adz
And a game and yeah, it's, it's actually, yeah, yeah.
00:57:50.42
Russell Gibson
That's gone. You know, people bought it and they've lost their money and it's done. But at the same time,
00:57:55.53
Adz
Yeah. This is not this. Yeah. This is, this is different. This is actually just an, ah and it's the last time Panini is releasing a product anyway, I guess.
00:57:59.59
Russell Gibson
like, well, that's the other thing to get it in while still got the license. Right.
00:58:05.20
Adz
Yep. Correct.
00:58:06.38
Russell Gibson
All right. This next one I called buy, hold and sell. This is for you, Adam.
00:58:11.39
Adz
We love a good buy, hold, sell.
00:58:13.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
00:58:14.87
Adz
We love a good buy, hold, sell. Okay.
00:58:16.92
Russell Gibson
Shen Goon 2021 Black Prism Rookie Card 1 of 1. PSA 9. Buy, hold, or sell this.
00:58:27.74
Adz
Well, it depends how much, but buy.
00:58:34.63
Russell Gibson
Well, if we just saw a Thompson Twin for fifty k
00:58:40.64
Adz
All right. So if, all right. o But we also said that was wild, right?
00:58:49.53
Russell Gibson
I personally think it's wild.
00:58:51.41
Adz
I think, I think this is a buy. How much is there a sale?
00:58:57.32
Russell Gibson
So the Nebula, I'm just looking on card letter sales history, the Nebula sold PSA 8 for $29,000. So let's just say, let's just keep, let's also say, let's keep it easy and let's just call it 30K.
00:59:05.83
Adz
Okay.
00:59:10.14
Adz
good Buy.
00:59:13.76
Russell Gibson
You're buying that for 30? Okay.
00:59:15.12
Adz
Yeah.
00:59:16.13
Russell Gibson
okay
00:59:18.25
Adz
Buying that over the the Thompson.
00:59:21.11
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think for me...
00:59:22.11
Adz
You know what? I'm buying and Brink for 12 and 30 and change. for twelve and thirty and change
00:59:30.13
Russell Gibson
away from the brink, man. um i Look, I think at 30, that's totally fine. I think you buy it. My answer would be hold, though. I think...
00:59:37.00
Adz
Hold, yep.
00:59:37.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I just think at the moment with the Rockets, where they're going... i mean, the Fred Van Vliet injury is terrible for them, like absolutely diabolical, but I still think...
00:59:47.59
Adz
That'll be right.
00:59:48.61
Russell Gibson
There's some optimism for that team.
00:59:48.69
Adz
That'll be fine.
00:59:49.92
Russell Gibson
I just think he's really important for that team, honestly, but yeah, hopefully.
00:59:53.66
Adz
Honestly, honestly, I think that's a $50,000 cut, but anyway, maybe.
00:59:53.95
Russell Gibson
Okay.
00:59:59.47
Adz
Cengun played well in Eurobasket, so.
01:00:04.90
Russell Gibson
All right. This next one is from Panini America and it is an advertisement for Panini Prism Black.
01:00:08.22
Adz
Y'all.
01:00:15.34
Russell Gibson
So we were just talking about how Panini are finding new ways to increase the print run. So they did Decker. Now they're doing Prism Black. It's going to be available in first off the line on their own website. So another way of saying that is that 100% of the money goes into Panini's products. None of it goes to distributors and all the rest of it.
01:00:40.32
Russell Gibson
Um, keeping in mind that first off the line, was it national treasures or was it? No, it was flawless. It sold for $40,000 a box. So like people are buying this stuff up at the moment.
01:00:53.63
Adz
Yeah, also it also includes Manga, Color Blast, Color Blast, Jewels, and Prismania.
01:00:58.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So they're absolutely loading these boxes full of stuff. And this is actually a side note to this story, but I think all the remaining products are going to be absolutely loaded because signatures, memorabilia.
01:01:11.70
Adz
Loaded with stuff and just, yep. And...
01:01:16.11
Adz
And there's nebulas, there's blue shimmers, there's gold shimmers, gold vinyl.
01:01:18.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:01:19.19
Adz
Like, this is insane.
01:01:21.09
Russell Gibson
And I think, sorry, this is this just absolutely a side note, but we have to talk about this. What they're also doing too is they've got all these cards that have got signatures on them. So, for example, optic autographs are going into Obsidian.
01:01:35.72
Russell Gibson
Like that's how bad... the print run got compressed, that they're just, they're just chucking them all in.
01:01:37.96
Adz
yeah, they're just smashing, yeah.
01:01:41.03
Russell Gibson
So, you know, I personally don't mind it.
01:01:43.38
Adz
Look, yeah.
01:01:46.11
Russell Gibson
I'm not for it, but at the same time, I'd rather an autograph than, you know, not, but these, yeah, um it's a money grab, but also to the positive is, you know, these boxes are absolutely loaded.
01:01:48.34
Adz
Yeah.
01:01:50.86
Adz
It's a, it's a, it's a big money grab. Yeah.
01:01:57.83
Adz
Yeah. fuck
01:01:58.26
Russell Gibson
I think the obvious question here is, would you buy some of this?
01:01:58.75
Adz
Yeah.
01:02:02.26
Russell Gibson
Would you go into breaks? Would you buy sealed products? And then would you buy the aftermarket singles? That's my three questions for you.
01:02:08.93
Adz
All right. So first one, would I buy the product? It depends what form it comes in, how much costs.
01:02:15.15
Russell Gibson
It's going to be a hobby box and let's call it $1,000 Aussie.
01:02:15.22
Adz
Um,
01:02:17.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah,
01:02:18.56
Adz
Okay. Yeah. If for one of our our coffee and cards meetups, I would split one of these.
01:02:29.30
Russell Gibson
yeah, yeah.
01:02:29.38
Adz
That would be, do you know what I mean? Like I'd go quarters with somebody in a box to to draft.
01:02:30.84
Russell Gibson
yeah yeah
01:02:34.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
01:02:36.82
Adz
Cause, cause why not? Like, it seems like a pretty amazing set as far as the the hits and stuff.
01:02:42.57
Russell Gibson
The potential hits. Yeah.
01:02:43.65
Adz
Yeah. Yeah. Would I go into breaks? a try and I've been burnt a lot by breaks, especially with, like, I don't know. and If it's a pick your team, you end up just paying a premium if you want the the good cards, which is fair.
01:03:01.70
Adz
I might go into a random break.
01:03:01.72
Russell Gibson
Yep.
01:03:03.29
Adz
Who knows?
01:03:04.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:04.86
Adz
um And aftermarket singles? Yes.
01:03:07.98
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:03:09.89
Adz
Like, who doesn't love the um the Prismania?
01:03:15.36
Russell Gibson
Look, i think I think people will buy this and I think it'll do well. i just think at the moment there's other products that are coming out that have been doing really well, like Silhouette.
01:03:27.89
Adz
Yeah, yeah.
01:03:28.78
Russell Gibson
That's got eight autographs in it.
01:03:30.54
Adz
Haven't they got like a cherry blossom that you want?
01:03:33.88
Russell Gibson
I'm not too sure if it's in silhouette.
01:03:34.48
Adz
The Anthony Edwards looks like a cherry.
01:03:35.46
Russell Gibson
Oh yeah. In this, it does. i mean, the other one at the moment, is it's a bit more expensive at Noir, iMac, like all of those have looked like really good so far.
01:03:42.34
Adz
Yeah.
01:03:44.86
Russell Gibson
So, and I just kind of feel like too, like we were talking about this before in terms of print run and all that type of stuff.
01:03:45.27
Adz
Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true.
01:03:50.48
Russell Gibson
Like, what is this going to do to print run? Like, does it actually devalue the Prismania?
01:03:52.70
Adz
yeah
01:03:54.44
Russell Gibson
Because the population
01:03:56.31
Adz
in industry In the short term, maybe. In the long term, no one's going to care.
01:03:59.53
Russell Gibson
Well, the population on these is extremely, extremely low currently. So unless they're clearly delineated, you know, with year, which I suppose they would be.
01:04:03.66
Adz
Yeah.
01:04:07.91
Adz
I don't think they're going to change the pop count on them, though. like they like they're not going to They're rushing product into the market, but they're not going to change how many they release of it.
01:04:16.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:17.88
Adz
but The numbers will still be the same.
01:04:18.15
Russell Gibson
Just an interesting one. Like if they're concerned about not being able to meet their other deadlines, why are they adding new prism into it? Or is it just simply the fact that if they're selling it direct to public, they will make exponentially more money?
01:04:31.86
Adz
Yeah.
01:04:34.13
Russell Gibson
Like, is that actually the answer to it? within they making
01:04:36.42
Adz
Possible.
01:04:37.30
Russell Gibson
Like they're making a product that is sold direct to the public instead of through distribution? Like, is that actually the answer? Yeah.
01:04:44.31
Adz
It could be. Yeah, yeah. like That could be an angle they're taking.
01:04:49.26
Adz
I don't know. I feel like it's a big messy rush to the finish line at the moment.
01:04:52.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.
01:04:54.82
Russell Gibson
Jordan to close. It's that time already, buddy.
01:04:56.94
Adz
It's that time already. Where are we? Jordan to close.
01:05:01.67
Russell Gibson
This is a bit of a, it's a different one. This is really an advertisement from ComSea. So we can sort of kill two birds with, you know, at one time at the moment. Basically what they're advertising is you buy a card on ComSea. It's already at ComSea.
01:05:14.44
Russell Gibson
You submit to PSA via ComSea.
01:05:17.44
Adz
oh
01:05:20.32
Russell Gibson
The card comes back and you sell it on the Com C marketplace. And they're basically just showing how you can make all this money. But what I think is more interesting is the actual card itself. It's the 2003 Upper Deck Glass card.
01:05:33.65
Russell Gibson
When Jordan is in a Wizards jersey, not a Bulls jersey. It's numbered to 100 if I'm reading this properly. And yeah, I think that's actually a really cool card.
01:05:41.71
Adz
Yep.
01:05:45.05
Russell Gibson
I think for me, the price is a little bit too high. Like, think if you're paying $1,000 for a Wizards card and it's only PSA 9, in saying that, a lot of Jordan cards that are inserts are unnumbered and they go for you know just as high.
01:05:53.74
Adz
Yeah.
01:06:00.92
Russell Gibson
and And this is a numbered card, so...
01:06:03.03
Adz
Number to a hundred. So maybe it is.
01:06:03.90
Russell Gibson
Look, I don't think this is terrible, but at the same time, yeah, I don't think this is like an absolute home run, but yeah, I love this card. actually I like the design. I like the photography. You know, I like the whole thing.
01:06:14.13
Russell Gibson
So, yeah.
01:06:15.14
Adz
Yeah, it's cool. I like it. think it's cool. Awesome. Awesome.
01:06:18.82
Russell Gibson
Final thoughts, Adam?
01:06:21.47
Adz
Final thoughts. There's a lot going on in the hobby at the moment, isn't there? A lot of expansion, a lot of just, just things going like, uh, I don't know.
01:06:24.80
Russell Gibson
Always is, mate. Yeah.
01:06:29.82
Adz
Now I'm thinking about the, um, different things I could, different indexes I could create.
01:06:35.98
Russell Gibson
yeah
01:06:38.20
Adz
I'll have another index next week. Then it'll be, but
01:06:41.11
Russell Gibson
Great. Looking forward to it, mate.
01:06:43.60
Adz
I'm, I'm the one to shine index is going to be very interesting when it takes shape, but, um, We'll see what are considered inclusions in that list.
01:06:54.15
Russell Gibson
I think this guy is going to be ruffling a lot of feathers at this point.
01:06:57.51
Adz
Is he going to list everything he's got, like his collection though?
01:07:02.20
Russell Gibson
I think it's going to be ah secret. Like if he's
01:07:04.67
Adz
No, but I think if you list your collection, then it's like you're generating interest for the exhibition.
01:07:10.11
Russell Gibson
I wonder if it's better for him to keep what he's buying a secret and then reveal it.
01:07:15.42
Adz
Until the big reveal.
01:07:16.40
Russell Gibson
Because otherwise people could potentially
01:07:16.49
Adz
No.
01:07:20.96
Russell Gibson
um
01:07:21.28
Adz
Oh, yeah, you slow roll it. You slow roll it. You you slow roll it, yeah.
01:07:23.13
Russell Gibson
bid maliciously against him just to like inflate everything, knowing that he's a whale and you know he's going to bid high.
01:07:26.28
Adz
Missed, yeah.
01:07:29.85
Adz
Fair. Good point.
01:07:30.84
Russell Gibson
ah
01:07:31.18
Adz
Really good point.
01:07:31.38
Russell Gibson
Thank you to Central Coast Radio. Thank you to all of our listeners on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and all the other podcast platforms.
01:07:40.36
Adz
Everywhere, yeah.
01:07:41.36
Russell Gibson
We appreciate you immensely. And thank you to everybody who sent us nice messages.
01:07:47.23
Adz
Yes.
01:07:48.63
Russell Gibson
Not mean messages.
01:07:48.86
Adz
Yes. No main messages, please. We'll
01:07:54.67
Russell Gibson
Take care of yourselves, guys.
01:07:54.94
Adz
see you next week.
01:07:56.03
Russell Gibson
We'll catch you soon.
01:07:57.43
Adz
Bye.