Episode 244: The $2.4 Million Kobe, LeBron’s One-of-One & FOMO Fever

In Episode 244 of You Can’t Comp This, Russell and Adam take the hobby’s pulse after one of the craziest weeks in card news.

They break down the LeBron James “All Kings” case hit — how hype drove prices from $4,000 down to $1,000 overnight — and debate whether collectors are falling into FOMO traps with new Topps Flagship releases.

Then it’s onto the $2.4 million Kobe Bryant sale — raw, ungraded, and possibly sketchy — plus a look at Cooper Flagg’s rising market and the massive gap between hype and value.

The lads also react to Topps’ new Gold Logoman program, discuss real game-used memorabilia, and end with some heartfelt wishes for Thunder rookie Topic after his cancer diagnosis.

🎧 Listen now: https://open.spotify.com/show/70w10XxmGviovd5T0LUFFc

Transcript

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Adz
It's annoying.

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Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 244. Why why is the music still playing?

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Russell Gibson
Maybe I was doing peace signs.

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Adz
great gro Grooving to the tunes?

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Russell Gibson
Maybe I clicked it to turn it off, but it still kept on playing.

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Adz
Do you want to try that again? No. Welcome everyone. It's episode 244. The You Can't Comp This and NBA Trading Card Podcast. We host Adam Amy and Russell Gibson.

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Russell Gibson
ah Hey, Hey,

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Adz
After our midweek card bonanza.

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Russell Gibson
look,

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Adz
Player bonanza.

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Russell Gibson
I feel like that's actually where we started our podcast. We literally just, that was the whole show. It was just us doing comps basically.

00:00:58.37
Adz
Yeah, which is, you can comp this. with Lots of comps.

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Russell Gibson
And we've moved away from it. I think that's been part of our progression, but at the same time, there's also a piece of me that like just enjoys just going through a whole bunch of cards and seeing what's what, yeah.

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Adz
prospecting a few players.

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Russell Gibson
And just checking out where the market is.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
So guys, if you didn't listen to last episode, you want to get a bit of a marker for where the season is at at the moment, absolutely go back and listen to that. You will not regret it.

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Russell Gibson
This week on the run sheet, though, we have got Panini reportedly has put themselves up for sale. Adam added this to the run sheet, so we've put this in at number two. Ja Morant has been suspended for one game, and Adam reckons he's going to be traded.

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Russell Gibson
We're going to talk about the All Kings card, which we did reference in last week's show. We're going to talk about the gambling escapades of Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups, but we're not going to deep dive into that.

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Adz
I

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Russell Gibson
And the reason we're not is just because we don't believe this is going to be too influential in the card market.

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Adz
was gonna say, it's so it's not overly hobby relevant, but

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Russell Gibson
And look, people at home, if you do think it is going to impact the card market, please drop us a line and we would love to hear why.

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Adz
speaking of dr Speaking of dropping us a line, we're also – we're doing we're doing a a live Q&A tomorrow – Monday night.

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Russell Gibson
oh

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Russell Gibson
um Great segue. yeah

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Russell Gibson
Tomorrow night. Yep.

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Adz
It's, yeah, November 3rd, Melbourne, Australian Eastern Standard Time.

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Russell Gibson
Yep.

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Adz
Daylight savings time, isn't it now?

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's AEDT. I had to look that up. but I wasn't too sure about that.

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Adz
Australian Eastern Daylight Savings Time.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, correct. yeah

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Adz
Yeah, that's a mouthful in a bit. ah Yes, okay.

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Russell Gibson
It is, which is probably why they abbreviated it, right?

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Adz
That's true. That's very true. So we're goingnna be yeah it's kind only going to be quick.

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Russell Gibson
ah

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Adz
What time are we going on?

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Russell Gibson
we've Yeah, we've got 40 minutes to use up of our podcast data usage, so we're going to use 40 minutes. add that's the That's right.

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Adz
go to the death knock and then just 40 minutes into the into the into the stream, it's just YouTube just going to cut off.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah Turn it off. Off. Bank. wow

00:03:03.87
Adz
Well, actually, we'll probably go on, but anyone that's listening will be cut off after 40 minutes.

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Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah, we'll edit it down.

00:03:08.73
Adz
So art all the good questions will be first.

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Russell Gibson
Don't worry about that.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. We'll see how we go anyway. Anyway, the rest of the show, you guys can just wait until we we get to the run sheet. Let's get straight into it. Panini is reportedly for sale.

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Russell Gibson
So I think at this point in time, it's pure speculation and rumor. However, i think we do need to acknowledge it. For me, this is two years too late. They should have put themselves up for sale.

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Russell Gibson
two years ago when they still held some of the licenses before all of their argy-bargy happened with Fanatics and their lawsuits and all this type of anti-competitive stuff. I think that the company still has some value because of all the IP that they you know do hold in terms of national treasures and flawless and their kabooms and their downtowns, all that type of stuff. you know I think that is absolutely worth something. and

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Russell Gibson
I think, frankly, Topps needs a bit of help in the creative department. Like, for me, there's a very large gap between the inserts that are in Topps and the inserts that have been in Panini.

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Russell Gibson
And look, that could just be my own bias after looking at all their cards the last few years.

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Adz
But that could – look, panini Panini have taken a little while to develop to the point they got to, so I'm sure Tops will get there.

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Russell Gibson
But

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Russell Gibson
for sure, for sure.

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Adz
Do they need to buy it though? Is it really for sale? is it is ah Is it an attempt to keep them relevant?

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Russell Gibson
Oh,

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Adz
Are they testing the market to see who's interested?

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Russell Gibson
it could be all of the above. Absolutely.

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Adz
Yeah, yeah

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Russell Gibson
I think they should sell personally. Like if they get an absolute back from this and they can walk away from it, like they've done very, very well out of trading cards the last few years. And then to get a parachute on the way out, that would be quite lovely. Because if you look at their roster now, it's not exactly...

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Russell Gibson
um

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Adz
Setting the world on fire.

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Russell Gibson
like exciting stuff, really. like It's a little bit of soccer. There's some b B sort of grade B class boxing in UFC, like some sort of lower leagues of that.

00:05:13.56
Russell Gibson
There's WNBA, which is probably the biggest thing on their roster, to be honest.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Adz
I think, um ah yeah, probably one of the biggest they've they've got. They've also, haven't they got exclusive rights to Luka Dantic?

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Russell Gibson
That they do.

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Adz
For a little bit. The other thing, i but but with that, the reason, and I think maybe the reason they've they've they've voiced or put the feelers out, so to speak, i based on their current roster, aside from having the rights to Luca, um but I can't see anything that our friends in the Wondershine Index would be interested in.

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Russell Gibson
I think

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Russell Gibson
What do you mean by that, man?

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Adz
Very interesting. Well, they're not producing cards that are going to be worth millions of dollars. And do do you know what i mean? Like, I don't think they're actually producing enough high-end stuff that creates that level of demand that, and I just wanted to throw one was shown in for the hell of it.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. Well, yeah, of course. We always need to talk about when to shine. Look, I think that Heinz stuff will come, though. It's just it's not if it's when. Right. We know that stuff's going to come.

00:06:10.69
Adz
But what? What? A million dollar card in B grade soccer?

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Russell Gibson
yeah I mean, that works.

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Adz
Like,

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Russell Gibson
They have already made some higher end stuff with patches and all that type of stuff, but

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Adz
Yeah, I yeah i'm just like but the the roster they've got with the licensing they have, ah think they're going to struggle to get the demand up from the from from the market.

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Russell Gibson
yeah, sure.

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Adz
So...

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Russell Gibson
Yes, I think, and that's the next part of the conversation is that what are the positives that would then come of this if that was then to happen? So then if they did acquire it, I think all the athletes that you spoke about is absolutely true. So that would be Ja Morant, Kevin Durant, Luka. There's a whole bunch of other ones that are so exclusive too.

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Adz
It's Caitlin Clarke.

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Russell Gibson
Vijay Edgecombe. Well, yeah, Caitlin Clark would...

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Adz
Because if they got WNBA, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Well, no, actually, I think Caitlin Clark is signed with both, actually. She is very much about taking as many bags as she can. She's not so much about the exclusive, yeah.

00:06:58.27
Adz
All in bags. Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And then also too, would mean that you would get Topps Chrome, you'd still get Prism, you would then get, you know, National Treasures.

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Adz
Kabooms.

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Russell Gibson
And I think we fantasized about this, you know, a while ago, and that was my sort of ultimate fantasy was that somehow they would pull all these products in together and sort of make this ultimate Chronicles product where it was all the high end stuff sort of mixed in together.

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Russell Gibson
That would be one step closer to that sort of happening, but that would also mean that Upper Deck would have to come. And I think that's my comment too about this and and Upper Deck referencing here. There's already a precedent being set in terms of what happens to a company once they lose their licenses. Just go look at what's happened to Upper Deck.

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Adz
Mm-hmm.

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Russell Gibson
is Is that what Pinini wants to do and sort of just be wading through these sort of, you know, low-end products for for years and years and not doing like a hell of a lot and releasing unlicensed products with you know, a couple of Jordan autographs in it.

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Russell Gibson
I suppose Pined would just do it with Luca and Jarr. Maybe, like, is that what they want to I couldn't imagine that's the the desired outcome.

00:08:03.43
Adz
Yeah, I don't know. I just, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't ah I don't think it's a bright future for Panini and maybe it's, they've seen the writing on the wall. Shame they didn't see it earlier though. They could have worked something out, I guess, with Topps.

00:08:19.68
Russell Gibson
mean, it's always easy for us armchair experts to look back in hindsight and say, this is what Panini should have done.

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Adz
hindinzight Hindsight's 20-20, yeah,

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Russell Gibson
And look, I'm guessing they tried their hardest to get into the market in some way and they just got outdone by fanatics. Look, I think... You've got to give Fanatics their flowers when they deserve it. like they've Business-wise, they are very, very savvy. And I think the other thing that we've seen already, again, if I want to compliment Fanatics, is their marketing.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
like i mean We never saw that with Panini. like It's clearly they've got this huge vision of you know how this is all going to play out.

00:08:51.72
Adz
I don't

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Russell Gibson
So final thoughts on this, Adam. We'll move on, buddy.

00:08:59.52
Adz
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. But um it'd be nice to see all of the, but most of the basketballers on on the same, um under the same umbrella, just so we can get autos for everybody.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
I mean, that would be nice, wouldn't it? Yeah.

00:09:14.33
Adz
But that's that that's ah that's it from a hobby perspective, it'd be nice to to be able to acquire all of the all of the autographs, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So look, my final thought would be just, I agree with that too. It'd be great to see all the athletes on the same roster instead of this kind of like split nonsense that we've had, but also to tops need some creative input and they need some help.

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Adz
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
It's as simple as that. Like, can we need better cards guys.

00:09:34.22
Adz
We've seen one set. I think you're jumping the gun. But anyway, I don't know.

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Russell Gibson
but I'm entitled to an opinion. i don't think it's...

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Adz
That's all right. i'll I don't know.

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Russell Gibson
yeah

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Adz
Alvaro got me excited last week. He said there's some great stuff on ah in the works.

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Russell Gibson
Sure. No, no, I think the excitement is good, but at the same time, too... Panini took a lot of risks with their inserts over the years. They they did. They took a lot of risks with, you know, in different products.

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Russell Gibson
Like Select was there their toy that they just played with and they they threw stuff at the wall and some of it worked and some of it didn't. You know what i mean Like, I don't really see that with Topps. That's my two cents.

00:10:09.47
Adz
one year versus however many years of Panini. I'm like, give him give him more than one release.

00:10:12.08
Russell Gibson
Sure. Hang on, but Topps has been around for a long...

00:10:15.34
Adz
True.

00:10:15.57
Russell Gibson
Topps have been around for years, man, already. They've still been doing this. Anyway, let's move on. All right, Jar Morant, this is yours. Lead the way, my man.

00:10:22.45
Adz
Right. So after the Memphis Grizzlies put in quite a quite a not great performance against the Los Angeles Lakers, with Luka Duntic dropping another 40 points, Jar Morant,

00:10:35.08
Russell Gibson
Guys a machine.

00:10:38.46
Adz
was a little bit feisty in the locker room. um I think the quote was – it was an interview and it was it was very much prodded by the by the media.

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Adz
and his

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Russell Gibson
hundred percent, by the way, I'm i'm going to defend ja here.

00:10:52.60
Adz
But he's his response – yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:10:54.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah. yeah

00:10:55.72
Adz
Like I'm i'm i'm definitely with Jar, the – The interview was very targeted because he was obviously wasn't happy with something. And his comment was, ask the coaching staff about that.

00:11:08.36
Adz
That's not my call.

00:11:09.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:09.62
Adz
That's ask the coaching staff. They've already said what they want to say. They've addressed everybody. So go and ask them. Which is pretty much, I don't agree with what the coach did or said a roundabout kind of way.

00:11:24.88
Adz
As a result, ah Jar's been suspended. for For one game. ah for what was the What was the, I don't know, it's not bringing the game into disrepute, but going against it, sorry, having a negative impact on the team.

00:11:40.05
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:11:40.50
Adz
like He didn't pull a gun out, which would have been very jarred around.

00:11:43.98
Russell Gibson
To which Morant responded in a tone deemed inappropriate, sources told Shams.

00:11:50.84
Adz
Yeah. So in ah an inappropriate tone after, ah after losing a game of basketball, he was supposed to be happy and all happy go lucky. So positive about the result. Like, come on.

00:12:01.08
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:12:02.14
Adz
Like I've seen, yeah you've seen athletes do it. God, the amount of times Kobe is just like dead pan. Are you kidding me? What, what are you talking about? We lost the game.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:11.61
Adz
What do you want me to be happy about? And it's, and, and I, I really, do empathize with jar here. I think, Yes, you need to keep any displeasure about the coaching between coaching staff and players behind closed doors and deal with it there.

00:12:27.63
Adz
but But the media these days are unrelenting.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:30.71
Adz
And if he's allowed the coaching staff, like go ahead and interview him when he's fuming about what you've just said in the team huddle, well,

00:12:40.58
Russell Gibson
yeah

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, look.

00:12:45.69
Adz
I don't know. I think it's a i think it's him either's him and his management agreeing to signal, i want out, or it's already been decided by the front office that they want him out.

00:13:01.39
Adz
If the coach is not running him for the minutes he wants to play, there's one unhappy party, possibly two, and I think there's a Jar Morant trade looming.

00:13:15.14
Russell Gibson
Okay. So my response to that is that my observation of this is absolutely, it's a personality clash that's going on here.

00:13:23.08
Adz
It's been a personality clash for the better part of five years.

00:13:23.33
Russell Gibson
and

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Russell Gibson
ah the other thing for me too is that also seemed to be even though they but he's quite young their head coach I don't think he's that old at all so for me it almost seems like a generational sort of like gap that's happening there or like or sort of even like a miscommunication thing because like for me that seems a very benign thing to suspend somebody for like it's not enough to in my mind to warrant a suspension think that

00:13:49.36
Adz
but that's a shots fired thing, right? Suspending him is actually rather than going to bat for him and go, yeah, it's sending a very clear message.

00:13:53.83
Russell Gibson
sending a message yeah

00:13:56.39
Adz
and um And I'm sure if given the way things are happening,

00:13:59.67
Russell Gibson
I think also, i think probably the thing to point out here, and I think this is the most important part in my head, is that last year the offense was very much built around on jar.

00:14:10.50
Russell Gibson
They had much better shooting and spacing, whereas this year the offense, I don't ah don't really understand how...

00:14:14.64
Adz
well, they don't have Desmond Bain. They've effectively started to blow it up. Yeah.

00:14:19.57
Russell Gibson
like I think they should build everything around Jar and everything should be you know focused on him and him creating, but that doesn't really seem to be...

00:14:23.65
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:14:27.39
Russell Gibson
I haven't watched enough Memphis this year and it's still a pretty small sample size, but that's my gut feeling. like It doesn't quite sort of suit his

00:14:33.07
Adz
yeah

00:14:34.51
Russell Gibson
like talents that much. So I don't really understand that, but looking at his minutes, i actually don't think it's really minutes thing per se ad. Cause look, 28 minutes, 21 minutes. Okay. That's a little bit low, but then moving forward, 27, 31, 31, 30, I think ish minutes a game when you're coming off an ankle injury to start of a very long season.

00:14:53.22
Adz
That's fine. I think it's the system.

00:14:54.43
Russell Gibson
Like, is that, you know what i mean?

00:14:54.62
Adz
I don't think he's happy with the system.

00:14:56.27
Russell Gibson
Like, why is that such a like people have been bringing up that his minutes is an issue. I don't really think so.

00:15:02.05
Adz
Oh, they're probably trying to to to manage him in the rotation.

00:15:05.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:05.88
Adz
But on on on that as well, maybe he's just not happy with the system as well.

00:15:10.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah, look, I think that's a bigger issue. I think let's talk about his cards, though, because you were also suggesting he might be traded. If he gets traded, I think his cards are going to boom.

00:15:20.91
Adz
Well, the question is, where does he go? And obviously the first people that have put their hand, Miami.

00:15:23.25
Russell Gibson
Where do you think?

00:15:24.93
Adz
I think Miami is a good fit.

00:15:25.42
Russell Gibson
ah They're always sniffing around at sad stars, aren't they? Like, that's their MO.

00:15:32.33
Adz
Well, they they had a very unhappy Jimmy Butler and he became the hometown hero there. Do you know what mean? Like we got we got playoff Jimmy from after – but it was like – but it was Philly, it was Minnesota, it was Chicago.

00:15:38.57
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:15:41.40
Russell Gibson
Until he was sad. Then he was sad. was emo, Jimmy.

00:15:46.36
Adz
And then he when he went to Miami, Miami put in some decent stretches. they they reduced

00:15:50.83
Russell Gibson
For sure.

00:15:51.60
Adz
They, ah suppose, breathed breathe some life into his game.

00:15:58.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah.

00:15:58.60
Adz
um And maybe maybe that kind of – yeah, head down to South Beach and get some sunshine for Jar.

00:15:58.87
Russell Gibson
I hear you.

00:16:02.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:16:05.32
Russell Gibson
So despite... All of this, his PSA silver 10 is up 15% the last three months. Last traded 250. Sure.

00:16:16.11
Adz
It's pretty like, to be fair, it had already hit some, given because it's Jack because of the injury history.

00:16:17.97
Russell Gibson
um'

00:16:23.32
Adz
it's It's interesting looking. However, over the last 12 months, he's down 40%. 12 months ago, he was trading at $490.

00:16:27.92
Russell Gibson
so

00:16:31.28
Adz
Ha!

00:16:34.09
Russell Gibson
Look, I'm really drinking the jar of Kool-Aid at the moment, so I'm probably not the right person to talk about this. But I think in the in the event of him being traded, I think that's going to be an absolute banger of a buy.

00:16:40.02
Adz
ah

00:16:45.97
Russell Gibson
Look, I've got to be honest with you, man. I still at 250, I don't think this is terrible. There's a lot of upside with this kid.

00:16:51.35
Adz
I don't think it's terrible at 250.

00:16:54.78
Russell Gibson
He's a hype machine.

00:16:55.41
Adz
I think with the trade rumors going, the more Memphis play hardball, this could impact it negatively. And if you can get it down to 200, that is a definite buy.

00:17:03.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Yeah.

00:17:07.32
Adz
But yeah.

00:17:07.44
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's go for a break and we will come back and we will talk about the All Kings insert from Topps. Thank you to US Sports Cards Australia.

00:17:19.08
Russell Gibson
Go to ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. There you will find a huge range of sports breaks. Check out my cards, Australia. Collectible protection, singles categories, hobby boxes, sports memorabilia.

00:17:34.63
Russell Gibson
Week in and week out, we've been talking about check out my cards, Australia. Roscoe is still slaving away at that. But let's do something different this week. Let's go and see what we can get in terms of hobby boxes.

00:17:45.58
Russell Gibson
Let's go to NBA. Let's see what Ross has got on special here. Select Hangapack for $40. Select Basketball Blaster Box for $65.

00:17:58.71
Russell Gibson
He's got the Mosaic from $24.25 for $58.99. That's a very specific price, Roscoe. Blaster Box. and from twenty one twenty two he's got mosaic basketball blaster box which coincidentally is what we have currently to be given away for our giveaway which is going to be happening on monday night all you all you need to do that's right is given your best question and you can win a blaster box thank you so much to team us sports cards australia for your ongoing love and support adam we are back buddy how you doing

00:18:18.79
Adz
The best question, yeah.

00:18:36.39
Adz
We're good. I haven't demanded a trade yet.

00:18:39.24
Russell Gibson
yet. What podcast would you be traded to if you?

00:18:43.72
Adz
Oh, that's a good question. id Definitely, like given the quality of hours, it'd be like the straight to something like on the ringer. ESPN didn't hire me. I don't know.

00:18:53.86
Russell Gibson
I mean, that's the dream, isn't it? We get bought out.

00:18:55.21
Adz
NBC, maybe I can give better comments than Michael Jordan. I'm wondering, because ah because I reckon NBC did like a two-hour sit-down with Jordan and that's it for the season.

00:18:58.32
Russell Gibson
We get bought out by Disney.

00:19:07.43
Adz
ah do we Do we talk about this now?

00:19:07.98
Russell Gibson
Are we going to segue? Are we going to segue? Okay, fine. Let's segue into this. I got to tell you, I thought, and I'm an idiot. I actually thought he was going to be sitting courtside doing commentary.

00:19:18.41
Adz
He was going to come into the building, didn't he? I thought he'd sit in a studio and watch it and do halftime updates maybe, but you know no, no, no, no.

00:19:22.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So, Yeah.

00:19:26.05
Adz
He's done one interview.

00:19:28.12
Russell Gibson
And it's so funny. i actually found that content really underwhelming, but I was still riveted just because it was like, I got to hear Michael Jordan.

00:19:35.98
Adz
It's Michael Jordan.

00:19:36.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. It's so weird, isn't it?

00:19:39.63
Adz
It's not, it's not weird at all. Like any, if, if, if this guy is such a recluse in the basketball space,

00:19:45.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:19:46.79
Adz
Having that nostalgia come back, NBA on NBC is such a...

00:19:51.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I enjoyed that. like Don't get me wrong. it's I'm not throwing shit of that, but but I think I'm just more disappointed that...

00:19:55.45
Adz
And didn't didn't they get an ai the Isn't the voiceover It's to replicate the 90s voiceover guy.

00:20:01.09
Russell Gibson
Is it?

00:20:06.47
Russell Gibson
i just assumed they got him back.

00:20:07.87
Adz
i heard it was i read somewhere it was AI, so...

00:20:11.53
Russell Gibson
Everything's AI these days, isn't it? Anyway, well look, what I actually hope they do with Jordan is get him in on more frequent... you know, interviews and they ask him up to date stuff that's happening in basketball.

00:20:20.49
Adz
hopefully Hopefully, yeah, a bit more relevant.

00:20:24.32
Russell Gibson
Cause I would really like, cause what did you learn from that interview? What he shot free throws with kids from the backyard. Who gives a fuck?

00:20:30.92
Adz
What about the other audit bit the load management one? But we've heard that before. Back in my day, we didn't rest. Sure.

00:20:37.84
Russell Gibson
What? No, that's not what we were promised. We were promised him giving back to the basketball community.

00:20:42.88
Adz
Insight, giving insight, shutting down the goat debate.

00:20:44.12
Russell Gibson
That's right. Yeah. I feel ripped off. Yeah.

00:20:47.94
Adz
shutting go down the goat debate

00:20:50.38
Russell Gibson
Anyway, all right, let's let's leave this before we segue too hard on this.

00:20:54.56
Adz
Going to a tire raid. Yeah, true.

00:20:56.10
Russell Gibson
right, let's talk about the gambling thing because there was an FBI raid where Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups were actually arrested and charged. And additionally, there was also a whole bunch of other people that were arrested, allegedly with the mafia and organized crime syndicates.

00:21:12.44
Russell Gibson
The Chauncey Billups one's a little bit interesting because he wasn't sports betting. He was rigging poker games.

00:21:19.92
Adz
Yeah, it was a a different gambling charge.

00:21:19.94
Russell Gibson
And essentially, the scam is that he was used basically as bait, as a celebrity, to bring in whales and high rollers to say, hey, you can come and play poker with Chauncey Billups.

00:21:21.48
Adz
It wasn't actually that. Yeah, yeah.

00:21:31.16
Adz
Come and, yep.

00:21:33.12
Russell Gibson
And then with that, they were using like really high-end technology, X-ray contact lenses so they could see the cards that were coming through, um shuffling machines so they could actually shuffle the cards and give...

00:21:40.62
Adz
CT scanners, sorry.

00:21:45.82
Russell Gibson
um the players they wanted to win, you know, very particular cards. Like it's, you know, incredibly elaborate. They also had like communication going on with each other.

00:21:51.03
Adz
That's cool. Mm.

00:21:53.96
Russell Gibson
So my take from that though, is that I find it really hard to believe that it's completely separated gambling, being with the mafia and then having no sports betting influence at all. Like, you know, would they ask him about who's going to play in the next game or how many minutes is this person going to play? Like,

00:22:13.16
Russell Gibson
I think to just say, oh, he was only gambling and not sports betting or sports influencing. I think that's pretty naive. And before we get too far into this conversation, I actually think he's going to be severely penalized for this.

00:22:27.01
Russell Gibson
And even if he's not penalized in the sense of like, you know, going to prison or something, i think this is probably going to be the end of his NBA coaching career. Like if he comes back into coaching, I am going to be very, very, very surprised by that.

00:22:41.13
Adz
Mm-mm.

00:22:41.15
Russell Gibson
And then the Terry Rozier one, he'd already been investigated last year.

00:22:41.55
Adz
Mm-mm.

00:22:46.27
Russell Gibson
and I think really all we need to talk about with this is like, why was he let back into the league? Like they knew that he was already up to some crazy stuff and then to sort of let him back into the league and then he gets arrested by the FBI. Right.

00:23:04.51
Russell Gibson
The obvious follow-on for this conversation is Malik Beasley. Like, that's it. He's cooked. Because that all that stuff came out around him and then he was cleared. But the the video footage around Malik Beasley, in my opinion, it is probably worse than Terry Rozier's stuff.

00:23:19.55
Russell Gibson
Like, I think Malik Beasley threw games harder than anyone that we've probably discovered.

00:23:24.99
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:25.89
Russell Gibson
Like, the footage on that man is terrible.

00:23:25.97
Adz
True, true.

00:23:27.41
Russell Gibson
And I got to tell you, like, why don't these and NBA players say, look, I refuse to play with him? Like, you can't tell tell me that Cade Cunningham's not upset by his performance now that all this has come out.

00:23:41.56
Adz
I don't know.

00:23:45.15
Adz
Wasn't this obviously going to happen, though? Like, isn't this stuff like...

00:23:49.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. So that's,

00:23:51.60
Adz
Isn't just this just a a natural product, like a byproduct of introducing gambling or legalizing it?

00:23:57.38
Russell Gibson
Gambling into it. Yeah. And I think so. And the other thing about that too, is like, they also spend a percentage of the total yield of the gambling to actually investigate this stuff.

00:24:05.43
Adz
Investor, yeah.

00:24:05.49
Russell Gibson
So, so the other part of this, you say, well, it's probably been happening all these years anyway, but we just didn't have the ability to detect it and find people up.

00:24:13.08
Adz
The detection skills, yeah.

00:24:14.64
Russell Gibson
So I think that's important. Actually, let's finish on this ad and I'll get your input on this. Chauncey Billups, after he was arrested, came out wearing a clutch sports group hoodie.

00:24:25.54
Adz
Yep.

00:24:26.68
Russell Gibson
who is LeBron James's agency and Maverick Carter also involved in that too.

00:24:28.44
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Agent, yeah.

00:24:35.22
Russell Gibson
And he's also been investigated for giving tips to gamblers.

00:24:38.37
Adz
Sure.

00:24:40.94
Russell Gibson
my take on that is like clutch sports, get me the hell out of here. Give me the world's best lawyers or I'm going to like spill the beans. That's my interpretation of him wearing a hoodie out of prison.

00:24:49.59
Adz
Oh, that's, ah that's interesting.

00:24:51.57
Russell Gibson
So, That's my final take on this. I'm going to let you take this over and then we'll move on to the next thing. I don't want to do 25 minutes on this.

00:24:56.71
Adz
but Yeah, no, no, no.

00:24:58.34
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:24:58.69
Adz
I just, ah look, I expected something like this to eventuate. um I think it's just, it happens. If there's money involved and the opportunity to profiteer off it, people are going to do the the wrong thing to to to get their result.

00:25:13.86
Adz
The thing I'm finding funny in in what I'm seeing on social media is anytime anybody has a bad shooting night now, There's a post on Instagram at some point going, clearly they're they're fixing the game.

00:25:23.39
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Agree. I agree.

00:25:27.46
Adz
there Their line was 25 and they shot three from 18 from the field.

00:25:30.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:25:32.83
Adz
Clearly that was...

00:25:32.96
Russell Gibson
It's really hard to separate it, isn't it, now? Yeah. hundred percent

00:25:36.64
Adz
But yes, that's just like us talking about every second expensive card being the Wondershine group.

00:25:37.10
Russell Gibson
100%.

00:25:41.88
Russell Gibson
Wow.

00:25:42.96
Adz
Almost. my

00:25:43.98
Russell Gibson
It's more fun than rigging games, isn't it?

00:25:47.26
Adz
Or accusing people of rigging games.

00:25:49.73
Russell Gibson
I mean, my question is, where do you get these hoodies from? I want one.

00:25:52.67
Adz
The clutch ones.

00:25:53.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I want one, man. They look good.

00:25:55.54
Adz
You know what? Can you imagine that? Like it's just an open source clutch sports, whatever.

00:25:59.86
Russell Gibson
I'm Googling for it now, but there is actually clutch athletics, but I don't think that's clutch sports.

00:26:05.76
Adz
Oh, can you imagine just eBay people are selling clutch sports stuff to associate with?

00:26:10.75
Russell Gibson
Do you know what? This would be a good eBay scam right now just to like sell them.

00:26:14.00
Adz
Oh,

00:26:16.79
Russell Gibson
I reckon people would buy them. For all you wannabe scammers out there that have got a printing press,

00:26:18.87
Adz
ah

00:26:23.70
Russell Gibson
Get to it. Yeah.

00:26:27.64
Adz
Goodness.

00:26:28.33
Russell Gibson
All right. Let's see how we go for this one. The upper deck CEO weighs in on the state of the hobby.

00:26:40.17
Russell Gibson
From rising wax prices to increased speculation, he says the current market is being carried by the top 10% of spenders, and that could spell trouble if momentum shifts.

00:26:51.60
Russell Gibson
He also then went on to a podcast, which ah I quite like who he went on. He went on with Darren Rovell on Collect um and said that box prices are fixed and that...

00:27:01.28
Adz
Yep.

00:27:07.08
Russell Gibson
um you know It's basically like this you know this huge rod that's being run. I mean, of all the people in the world that would know about how to run a rod, it would also be somebody that...

00:27:20.03
Russell Gibson
ran it himself, right? So it's such a weird whistleblow of like what he's saying here.

00:27:21.59
Adz
True, true, true.

00:27:26.17
Russell Gibson
Blowout Sportscards then went on to say that they were selling Upper Deck products for below the RRP that was dictated by Upper Deck. And now their allocation has been completely removed by Upper Deck, you know, as a result of that.

00:27:41.18
Russell Gibson
So, you know, I think this, you know, this guy coming out and saying this for me is,

00:27:41.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:27:49.75
Russell Gibson
I disagree with almost everything that he said because to say that 50% of the spending of the hobby is coming from 10% of the population, like I just ah just don't believe that because I think at the end of the day, the majority of the stuff that opened ad, and the perfect example is this Topps flagship, it's mostly its base, man.

00:28:02.23
Adz
Yeah. don't...

00:28:13.40
Adz
Yeah, but do you know what do you know what this just sounds like?

00:28:14.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:15.95
Adz
Sour grapes.

00:28:16.99
Russell Gibson
oh this is like...

00:28:18.22
Adz
This is sour grapes.

00:28:19.22
Russell Gibson
The worst type of sour grapes.

00:28:19.70
Adz
Like, yeah, it is.

00:28:21.10
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:28:22.09
Adz
It is.

00:28:22.15
Russell Gibson
And hypocrisy.

00:28:24.40
Adz
it's just a It's a good old-fashioned sook.

00:28:27.14
Russell Gibson
There's a couple of like high-end guys buying million-dollar cards, and we've we've known that. And I think, like for me, that's the beauty of the card market, though. that you know There's room for the whales at the top.

00:28:37.44
Adz
Yep, agreed.

00:28:37.95
Russell Gibson
There's room for the guys that want to spend a couple of hundred bucks or a couple of thousand dollars. And then there's room for... like I don't want to drag you into my world, Ad, but there's also room for guys like you and me that spend 10 or 20 bucks on cards and maybe if we've got a bit more cash and we've saved up, you know we splurge on couple hundred bucks.

00:28:54.61
Russell Gibson
Do you know what i mean? like So I think for me, for him to say that, it's just, i I wanted to get on here and just tell you and everyone who would like to listen to how much I disagree with this numbskull basically.

00:28:56.23
Adz
yeah

00:29:07.45
Adz
i it's I was going to say, maybe maybe it's the maybe it's just, um yeah, maybe maybe it's it's just the case of sour grapes.

00:29:07.66
Russell Gibson
I think, fuck this guy, honestly.

00:29:18.15
Adz
And it is.

00:29:18.48
Russell Gibson
I

00:29:18.75
Adz
It's just a dummy spit. And he thought he'd create a ripple. And it yeah, I don't know.

00:29:24.48
Russell Gibson
mean, the company that produced the saying, junk wax, was Upper Deck.

00:29:25.00
Adz
can't believe people are, Yeah.

00:29:32.28
Russell Gibson
You know what I mean? that That was the company that printed so much stuff, they can't even like can't even give it away.

00:29:36.11
Adz
yeah

00:29:39.66
Adz
Yeah. They, they, they're responsible for the junk.

00:29:41.93
Russell Gibson
It's still sitting in warehouses. Yeah.

00:29:44.12
Adz
They're responsible for the junk wax era.

00:29:46.93
Russell Gibson
They created the phrase junk wax.

00:29:50.14
Adz
Correct. um Yeah. No, anyway. Now,

00:29:55.69
Russell Gibson
How much more do we need to talk about this?

00:29:57.23
Adz
No, we don't.

00:29:57.29
Russell Gibson
Are you ready to move on?

00:29:58.91
Adz
Let's move let's let's move on to the to the All Kings.

00:30:03.13
Russell Gibson
so Can we do that after the break? But before we do, can we actually just touch on another funny CEO that's... ah found this is This is an old post, to be fair, but it's called Nat Turner hates upcharges.

00:30:11.07
Adz
Oh.

00:30:16.55
Russell Gibson
And this is an old post that he put on to blow out, complaining about how he was upcharged for his PSA subs.

00:30:19.89
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:25.41
Adz
ah you kidding?

00:30:27.13
Russell Gibson
This is a long time ago.

00:30:27.46
Adz
Wow, that's a hell of a, oh goodness.

00:30:28.01
Russell Gibson
2012, now the guy's...

00:30:32.80
Russell Gibson
owns and runs it and he's enjoying charging people their upcharges. Like the upcharge hasn't gone down. i feel like Nat Turner and old mate from Upper Deck should go and have a beer, frankly.

00:30:44.57
Adz
Wow.

00:30:48.13
Russell Gibson
They'll make great content.

00:30:48.27
Adz
Sounds like a whole lot of first world problems, hey?

00:30:53.94
Russell Gibson
All right, that's enough of me poking fun at rich white guys who are out of touch with reality.

00:31:01.19
Adz
Should we go to a break?

00:31:02.48
Russell Gibson
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00:31:16.58
Russell Gibson
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00:31:28.49
Russell Gibson
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00:31:42.26
Russell Gibson
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00:31:57.78
Russell Gibson
So thank you our friends.

00:31:59.06
Adz
There's a highly like highly likelihood that that there are Americans listening.

00:32:03.02
Russell Gibson
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00:32:11.61
Adz
Fantastic.

00:32:11.94
Russell Gibson
And also, take advantage of the the weaker Australian exchange at the moment.

00:32:12.09
Adz
at it That's not cheap.

00:32:16.77
Russell Gibson
Your American dollars will go a lot further.

00:32:19.51
Adz
True.

00:32:20.83
Russell Gibson
Thank you to Neon Trading Cards for your ongoing support.

00:32:54.42
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we're back. How are you doing, Ad?

00:32:56.86
Adz
I am very, very well. I'm doing

00:32:59.34
Russell Gibson
If you would do me the honor, would you run through this All Kings for me? Because I would love to hear your take on the All Kings card.

00:33:07.02
Adz
Is it the all king? I like the look of these cards. So for those that that haven't seen them in the new flagship product, Topps flagship, there's these all kings, which are just like a ah playing card with a king on it.

00:33:12.98
Russell Gibson
That's a great place to start.

00:33:21.21
Adz
And... ah and There's actually, a well, there's given LeBron James' nickname, there is a LeBron. So King James. And the this Instagram post on the Market Movers app

00:33:38.13
Adz
says, FOMO is real when a big product is releasing and some people like to jump on the big hits early.

00:33:42.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:33:44.76
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:33:45.66
Adz
ah these LeBron all-Kings sales show that sometimes all you need to do is wait. So sales went from $4,000 to $1,000 in the space one day. to one thousand dollars in the space of one day

00:34:01.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:04.88
Russell Gibson
Yeah, okay. So I think the reason I put this post in for us to break down, because it covers two things at the same time. So we get to froth over these cards and-

00:34:13.22
Adz
I like them. I've liked them from the the outset.

00:34:15.19
Russell Gibson
This is a hit, by the way.

00:34:16.06
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:16.39
Russell Gibson
i think this is a fantastic card. I think the concept is simple, but it's very, very well executed. And I think in some ways it's almost like a blank slate for me, whereas it's a very, very simple design, but geez, it's effective.

00:34:30.58
Russell Gibson
And then the next point is what they're talking about was that FOMO thing.

00:34:30.71
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:34:33.18
Russell Gibson
So look, you don't really know which of these two sales is real. you know, was that $4,000 card actually paid for? And then did the seller on the 1,000 one actually cancel it because they wanted more? So that's, I'd put in that, but I think the bigger part to me is if you want to talk about FOMO, it's like, that's absolutely correct. Often when cards first get released, they will go for much overs.

00:34:58.91
Adz
Well, um I'm going through eBay at the moment, having a look at some of the sales.

00:35:00.24
Russell Gibson
Once the market, what have you got?

00:35:05.25
Adz
3,000 Australian, which is probably around the 2,000 American.

00:35:06.67
Russell Gibson
Okay. Yeah. That's about halfway between the two. Right. And that actually makes sense to me.

00:35:09.82
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:35:11.06
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:13.10
Adz
God, yeah, that's the, there's a been some high sales, but yeah, around 3,000 Australian, which works out to be 2,000 American, I think is,

00:35:20.69
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:21.36
Adz
is the more realistic product from, from sold listings on eBay. Anyway, there's the one that that sold for a lot, but which I think, yeah, that's.

00:35:25.63
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:32.85
Russell Gibson
Look, I think there's,

00:35:32.90
Adz
I think people are prepared to pay overs. There's always the chance that this becomes a super short print of a case hit and,

00:35:42.36
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:35:42.54
Adz
the LeBron becomes super rare. If you, if it goes from you buy it for 4,000 and then two weeks later, they're 8,000 each, you're genius. And if you buy it for 4,000 and two days later, it's worth 1,000 or 2,000, you're an idiot.

00:35:55.89
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:35:56.82
Adz
Like, no, you're you're you're paying what you think the card is worth.

00:36:01.32
Russell Gibson
I think this is really difficult to predict at this moment in time because we don't know much at all about population. There's nothing on PSA with these cards at all.

00:36:11.20
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:36:11.46
Russell Gibson
And until that data set is built, like for me, it's very difficult because this is an unnumbered case hit or parallel that's coming out, right?

00:36:18.66
Adz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:36:19.20
Russell Gibson
So I personally think these are overs at the moment, but at the same time, i don't think they're drastically over.

00:36:19.66
Adz
Yeah.

00:36:25.91
Russell Gibson
The thing that I'm currently comparing them to is a blank slate.

00:36:29.57
Adz
yeah

00:36:29.77
Russell Gibson
And I think if you can get the comparable player in a blank slate for the less of a price, then I think you're overpaying for these.

00:36:30.12
Adz
yeah

00:36:37.12
Russell Gibson
That's the way I'm currently going about these cards in saying that there is always exceptions to the rules.

00:36:38.98
Adz
ye yeah

00:36:43.90
Russell Gibson
I think, for example, the LeBron is fantastic. I think Wemby is so hot at the moment. So the sale for that was $2,300.

00:36:53.68
Russell Gibson
I'm going to assume that, yeah, that's USD. and So that's, you know, that's three and a half Aussie dollars, three and a half K AUD.

00:36:59.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:37:02.88
Russell Gibson
You know, look, I think Wemby's hot at the moment, but I still think that's very, very risky to put that much cash into it this early in the piece before we know anything about it. The other thing I'd probably comment on this too, there is a lot of these sold ad, which probably makes me think they're not as rare as we are thinking that they are.

00:37:21.33
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:37:21.73
Adz
Yeah. But you yeah yeah I guess you don't know. Especially with a product like Flagship. It's not...

00:37:30.56
Adz
It's not like Topps Chrome. It's not, I don't know. Like it's, I feel like it's it's the first product. So there's a bit of hype there, but I agree. I agree that that it's overs.

00:37:45.11
Adz
I also find it funny that you're propping up an insert set after criticizing Topps' inserts earlier in the show.

00:37:51.83
Russell Gibson
um So my approach to Topps I'm not on the take from Topps. So I have nothing to gain from fanboying them out, right?

00:38:03.32
Russell Gibson
So my observation so far is most content creators,

00:38:05.64
Adz
Are you on the take from Panini? Is that why you're fan pointing over Panini?

00:38:09.53
Russell Gibson
I wish I was. I just really feel like at the moment most content creators if they took a shit in the middle of the road, they would like put a, put a candle in it and then sing happy birthday to it.

00:38:18.24
Adz
Oh,

00:38:21.63
Russell Gibson
Like, honestly, it's like, it doesn't matter what Topps does at the moment. Like some people will just, will just celebrate it. so and So my take, and I've said this, this is not the first time I've said it.

00:38:31.34
Adz
ah

00:38:31.86
Russell Gibson
If they do something bad, I'm going to say it's bad. If they do something good, going to say it's good. Like, so that's it.

00:38:36.20
Adz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair, fair, fair, fair.

00:38:37.39
Russell Gibson
This is a good insert.

00:38:38.81
Adz
Nice.

00:38:41.59
Russell Gibson
um I'm glad you liked my analogy about them taking a turn in the street.

00:38:44.62
Adz
so

00:38:46.96
Russell Gibson
Do we need to talk more about all Kings or have we done enough on that?

00:38:49.38
Adz
I think All Kings is a beautiful looking card. I definitely think there's a couple of big bangers that we'd like to talk about.

00:38:51.62
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:38:54.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I think we need to talk about, yeah, we need to talk about these two ones.

00:38:55.11
Adz
it's where um Since we're on flagship...

00:38:59.73
Russell Gibson
Absolutely. So the LeBron one-of-one autograph has been found. That's done. That's out. The super refractor is out. I personally think what we should talk about here is how much is this card worth?

00:39:13.35
Russell Gibson
I think this is the really fun part of this conversation because coming coming out of a relatively low-end product, how much should someone pay for this?

00:39:16.61
Adz
You know what i found funny?

00:39:23.60
Adz
ah don't know, but this card came out, was pulled before LeBron even took the court for the season. um Anyway, LeBron, one of one.

00:39:28.80
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I actually don't think that matters, man. I think it's a LeBron on-card autograph in a Lakers uni. I personally think this card's going to go for a lot. and

00:39:40.59
Russell Gibson
the ah

00:39:40.94
Adz
The one of one.

00:39:41.31
Russell Gibson
I mean, the obvious number for me seems like to say a million bucks, honestly.

00:39:41.94
Adz
i

00:39:50.16
Adz
I don't think it'll go that way. I was going to say 200k max.

00:39:54.75
Russell Gibson
Okay. I'm really curious to see where this ends up because if you think about it, this is really the biggest LeBron card we've had for...

00:40:04.35
Adz
All right. Yeah. For a while. Okay. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm just because it's the flagship product. I'm not, I'm not convinced that it's,

00:40:18.09
Russell Gibson
Yeah, maybe that maybe that's what I'm...

00:40:19.19
Adz
What's the most expensive one of one from Donruss that we've we've seen?

00:40:27.09
Adz
do you know what I mean? like um ah

00:40:29.87
Russell Gibson
yeah Yeah, I get what you're saying. Like maybe the Luca next day auto was the biggest. Yeah.

00:40:36.61
Adz
But yeah, it's a one of one. So there's some relevance there. So, but yeah, definitely a huge card. do not Not discounting that.

00:40:42.77
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:44.01
Adz
that's ah It's a massive card.

00:40:45.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah. You're probably right though. Maybe I'm way overs with my estimates just for the fact that bigger stuff is going to come out. But I also get the feeling that whales are going to try and get it in on that.

00:40:55.24
Adz
Agreed. Agreed.

00:40:56.73
Russell Gibson
Like, you know Why wouldn't they try and get in on you know and that?

00:41:01.45
Adz
Does it make the Wondershine Index?

00:41:03.97
Russell Gibson
i think ah I don't think it'll make the index, but if he buys it, I wouldn't be shocked at all. So the Luka Doncic Next Day Autograph PSA 10 sold for $20,740. it's However, that sold...

00:41:15.65
Adz
But that's that's not numbered.

00:41:18.66
Russell Gibson
no it's no

00:41:19.86
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:20.37
Russell Gibson
however that' so in 2023. So I would anticipate that it's gone up at least 5k.

00:41:27.30
Adz
Yeah, it's good.

00:41:28.38
Russell Gibson
So let's, so let's, how much did you say 200?

00:41:31.44
Adz
I said 200 is the cap. I said between one and two, but two being the ceiling.

00:41:34.32
Russell Gibson
Okay. So that's still 10 times more than the Luca.

00:41:37.09
Adz
Yeah. But this is a one of one.

00:41:40.46
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:41:41.47
Adz
Yeah. And it's not like a Wemby. It's not a Nordo, but yeah.

00:41:43.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:41:45.11
Adz
Yeah. i don't know. Maybe, maybe, maybe you're, maybe you're right. Maybe it's close to a million or ah half a million. 200

00:41:50.61
Russell Gibson
No, I think you're right, to be honest. right. One more big one to talk about is the Cooper Flag, one of one. This is a non-autographed card, but still it is a big one.

00:41:58.13
Adz
Just the one of one.

00:41:59.30
Russell Gibson
It is called the Foil Fractor. And I need to start practicing and getting my head around all these different types of cards because it's just a whole new ballg ball game.

00:42:09.12
Adz
Yep.

00:42:09.26
Russell Gibson
This came out of China, which is... I think another emerging trend we're seeing at the moment, heaps of big stuff is coming out of China. The amount of product they're opening over there is huge.

00:42:18.56
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:42:20.71
Russell Gibson
and This was put on by the collectibles guru. i was going to say Eric, but it's not Eric anymore, is it?

00:42:28.29
Adz
No.

00:42:28.51
Russell Gibson
And the question that he asked, and I think this is definitely the question we should be talking about is how much is it worth?

00:42:36.40
Adz
One of one rookie. Cooper Flagg holding up the Dallas Mavericks single-handedly at the moment because everyone keeps getting injured. um

00:42:48.07
Adz
One of one. This is ah this is a tricky one.

00:42:54.57
Russell Gibson
So the most expensive Cooper flag card sold is $97,000 and that's a Chrome university autograph.

00:43:04.97
Adz
I'd say i I'm going to stick in my ballpark. I'm going to say 250.

00:43:09.97
Russell Gibson
So going down to something that does not have an autograph or a patch.

00:43:16.02
Adz
But it's a rookie. It's a one-of-one rookie.

00:43:19.15
Russell Gibson
And it's also not the, yeah, not university.

00:43:20.25
Adz
And it's not university.

00:43:21.88
Russell Gibson
I think that's other thing too. It's like that that person who spent that 97,000K on that university card, that's going to be troublesome, I think.

00:43:28.24
Adz
this ah This is Cooper Flagg in a Dallas uniform.

00:43:30.42
Russell Gibson
All right, here we go. 2025 Panini Instant Draft Night Black, one of one. PSA, I'm going to say nine.

00:43:40.76
Adz
one of one.

00:43:41.02
Russell Gibson
My old eyes are still working.

00:43:41.20
Adz
It can be authentic. It doesn't work.

00:43:43.18
Russell Gibson
This is good. That sold for 12,000.

00:43:46.31
Adz
Oh, okay.

00:43:46.51
Russell Gibson
So I reckon, so let's say double that.

00:43:48.16
Adz
Oh.

00:43:49.50
Russell Gibson
And I think that's a pretty...

00:43:50.55
Adz
sorian is ah So maybe ah maybe a $25,000 to $50,000 card.

00:43:53.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah, yeah, maybe like 2024 or something like that. That's my guess on that one.

00:43:56.67
Adz
Wow. ah The lack of an autograph. Yeah, sure. But isn't this like the first rookie card?

00:44:00.39
Russell Gibson
so Well, it's the first flagship card.

00:44:04.73
Adz
Like the first printing of these... Well, the first licensed rookie card of Cooper flag.

00:44:07.75
Russell Gibson
I'm actually surprised...

00:44:11.97
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I'm actually surprised Panini can get away from that.

00:44:13.81
Adz
No, um I'm going to, I'm going I'm going to, I'm going to stick with, with it being worth a quarter of a million dollars.

00:44:19.27
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:44:19.84
Adz
If he's as good as they think he is anyway, turns out being a pile of crap, pile of poo that people celebrate because it's called tops.

00:44:23.18
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:26.35
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:29.16
Adz
Um,

00:44:31.91
Adz
then there maybe not. But I think if he he goes on the the projected trajectory, then it's a quarter of a million dollar card in a couple of years.

00:44:36.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:40.47
Russell Gibson
Let's keep going. We'll do one more quick one. We'll go for a breakout.

00:44:43.33
Adz
Sure.

00:44:44.31
Russell Gibson
This is from Topps. This is on Twitter or X. Breaking. Three players will wear a gold NBA Logoman this season. Topps and NBA have partnered on a brand new gold Logoman program.

00:44:56.68
Russell Gibson
SGA MVP, Stefan Kassel, Rookie of the Year, and Evan Mobley, Defensive Player of the Year, will be the three key award winners who wear the gold Logoman for the 25-26 season.

00:45:07.29
Russell Gibson
These game-worn patches will be placed in ultra-rare trading cards. I think these going to be extra, extra, extra collectible. I'm also going to go on a limb here and say that as good as tops are at business or fanatics is, they will push the NBA to, um, spread this program out further. For example, all NBA, first team, all NBA, second team, maybe even out to the third team, they'll have their own special logerman.

00:45:32.74
Adz
Do you know what they'll do? They'll make silver ones.

00:45:35.29
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:36.81
Adz
I like it. Like I think it's interesting.

00:45:38.02
Russell Gibson
Even bronze.

00:45:38.67
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:39.33
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Like, and I, even if they were bronze, I still think that's interesting and collectible.

00:45:45.04
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:45.38
Russell Gibson
And even if they're not put into trading cards, like imagine if you like purchased a Jersey that had an autograph on it an and it had that extra special logon on it. Like that's just, but that's really cool for me.

00:45:53.29
Adz
Special logo. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. But that signifies, i actually like this because it signifies, well, it's the year after, so it's a bit tricky.

00:45:56.45
Russell Gibson
So

00:46:02.36
Adz
that You know what I mean? Like getting a card for the previous MVP or the previous year.

00:46:07.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah, for sure. But, you know, so we've spoken about Topps doing the debut patches already.

00:46:12.30
Adz
Of course.

00:46:12.49
Russell Gibson
So they've got that going on. They've got this going on. Also, my observation in a very small data set is like they're also putting dates on when players wore the memorabilia. And that's something that we just didn't see from Panini. Like we didn't even get game-worn stuff towards the end.

00:46:29.93
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:46:30.87
Russell Gibson
I'm all about this. I think this is a really good thing.

00:46:33.78
Adz
I think it's fantastic, yeah.

00:46:34.94
Russell Gibson
It's a good thing for the hobby. And I also think it's a good thing for collectors where you're actually getting something that in my mind has genuine value, not just like a piece of delicious looking fabric put into a trading card.

00:46:47.51
Adz
oh

00:46:48.27
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:46:48.86
Adz
I still think maybe like scoring champ, defensive player could warrant from these things.

00:46:53.53
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. Why not?

00:46:55.15
Adz
yeah

00:46:56.63
Russell Gibson
Why not?

00:46:57.83
Adz
All-star would be silver.

00:46:57.85
Russell Gibson
Like, why not give them some cool little thing?

00:47:00.38
Adz
I think all-stars should get silver ones after all-star weekend.

00:47:04.78
Russell Gibson
or like a Logan when that's got an all-star thing like laid into it or something like that. Like why couldn't they do some cool artwork?

00:47:11.29
Adz
Like a star in the m NBA logo.

00:47:13.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:14.38
Adz
Yeah, okay.

00:47:15.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:47:15.91
Adz
Just little things.

00:47:16.83
Russell Gibson
Yeah, exactly.

00:47:18.14
Adz
Makes it more collectible.

00:47:20.15
Russell Gibson
It is time to go for our last break of today ad. We're going to thank our friends at fastbreaktradingcards.com. Again, thank you to Alvaro for coming onto the show two episodes back.

00:47:31.98
Adz
That was great.

00:47:32.13
Russell Gibson
it was an It was an honor to have him on, and he's always very illuminating.

00:47:34.23
Adz
Yeah.

00:47:37.67
Russell Gibson
Even though I think sometimes he does hold back from us, he knows stuff, this this man. And um we need to we need to ask more questions like the Ja Morant reporters, don't we?

00:47:43.22
Adz
he It's great to have him on though.

00:47:49.75
Russell Gibson
Just keep needling him until he breaks.

00:47:51.00
Adz
Really just like stick the needle in. Line him right up with a spotlight on him. Errogation.

00:47:56.51
Russell Gibson
Alvaro, we're joking, mate.

00:47:57.33
Adz
Errogation.

00:47:58.37
Russell Gibson
We're kidding. Fastbreaktradingcards.com. Go there for all of your sports cards, memorabilia, card protection, pre-order, Fanatics consignment, gift cards, supplies, and grading needs. They will take care of everything for you.

00:48:16.00
Adz
And don't forget that they're a Topps partner as well.

00:48:16.16
Russell Gibson
This week's... They're also a Topps partner. Absolutely. This week's ad, we're going to go onto their website and find something that we'd like to purchase.

00:48:28.29
Russell Gibson
All of their Topps flagship is completely sold out. So we we can't talk about that and their pricing on that. It must have been good because it's all gone. I am going to look at the 2025 Topps Chrome SpongeBob SquarePants 25th Anniversary Hobby Box. That's selling at $6.50.

00:48:44.87
Russell Gibson
That is too high for me. So I'm going to look at the packets, which are trading at $55 a packet. I will dabble on a packet.

00:48:52.23
Adz
of Spongebob.

00:48:52.30
Russell Gibson
i can't I can't stomach $6.50 though.

00:48:52.97
Adz
Yeah.

00:48:55.94
Russell Gibson
um The other thing that caught my eye too is the 2026 Topps Premier League starter pack for $35. I will probably also grab a box of that too. But I'll get their advice before I purchase because that's the other thing.

00:49:07.92
Russell Gibson
I don't have great knowledge when it comes to the soccer products, but the guys have been really good at pointing me in the right direction to get that there.

00:49:13.42
Adz
yeah

00:49:14.45
Russell Gibson
Adam, what caught your eye?

00:49:16.17
Adz
Um, because there's no tops available, um, and, and given previous discussions about the amazing community they've got down there at, at fast break, I, that's,

00:49:19.51
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:49:26.17
Russell Gibson
That's 75 Tulip Street in Cheltenham, Thursday and Friday 12 to 6, Saturday 9 to 5, Sunday 10 to 4. Yep.

00:49:31.99
Adz
That is spot on. I will be jumping in the car and heading down to the store and having a look at what they've got in the cabinets because they have a fantastic range of both NBA and Pokemon cards and AFL, everything.

00:49:36.07
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:49:39.33
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:49:45.31
Russell Gibson
Great.

00:49:45.98
Adz
like They've got all kinds of singles there. So um I think every time I pop down, there's been something really nice in the cabinet.

00:49:48.88
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:49:52.74
Adz
And yeah, John and Alvera are always happy to look after me when I'm impulse buying cardboard.

00:49:56.98
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:50:00.16
Russell Gibson
Thank you so much, boys, for your ongoing support. Adam, we're back. Now, this next one is for you, mate. So I'm going to introduce this very briefly and I'm going to let you take over.

00:50:12.08
Russell Gibson
This is from Card Letter. This was posted just two days ago. This is the 1980 Topps scoring leader Bird Irving Johnson card. I know you have a soft spot for this card.

00:50:24.71
Russell Gibson
It last sold for $800,000. thousand dollars I suspect this is now going to be out of your reach to add to your PC. Adam, how are you feeling right now?

00:50:34.85
Adz
i Yeah, ah it can keep going up for all I care because I think the real rookie card is an individual card with one player on it. So I'm just going to call it there and go that's lovely. It's a good little, it's it's like having an insert, but it's not the rookie card.

00:50:51.49
Adz
My view, and it's it's not the popular view, but um no, i I think it's the 1981. one there's ah there's ah There's a Bird and there's a ah Magic Johnson rookie.

00:51:04.54
Adz
I would call them the rookie because it's the first appearance they make on a card by themselves. Yeah, i'm I'm not surprised. This card is destined to continue going up.

00:51:16.13
Adz
Bird. Well, all three players are are amazing ah legends of the game, and that's not changing anytime soon.

00:51:20.66
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:23.99
Adz
So...

00:51:24.98
Russell Gibson
There's a few comments on this post too. Um, this is from at 31 13. This really should be the top 10 greatest and most expensive cards ever created, but no, this decades rookie cards of unproven players are top dog.

00:51:38.46
Russell Gibson
There is a little, I kind of get where he's coming with that here.

00:51:42.53
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

00:51:42.90
Russell Gibson
um

00:51:43.01
Adz
But but the the thing is, with a lot of these record sales, they're one of ones, they they they they're crazy rare cards. This is a commonly available card.

00:51:50.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:51:53.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure. Going down in the comments on this though, this is from hobby and collectible says interesting. No black print line on the bottom, right? Color looks immaculate. Centering is perfect.

00:52:05.04
Russell Gibson
So I probably think what we should do now is actually look up the pop on this ad because that actually might be part of the reason, you know, what's going on with this card, you know?

00:52:10.76
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:17.03
Adz
Yeah.

00:52:25.08
Russell Gibson
And literally it's the first card that comes up. So the population on this ad is just 24 on the PSA 10.

00:52:29.91
Adz
Yeah. It's, it's, it's insanely rare. Insanely rare. So it makes sense.

00:52:37.90
Russell Gibson
So

00:52:38.14
Adz
and I'm not getting one anytime soon.

00:52:40.93
Russell Gibson
yeah looking at the old time sales data, this spiked huge after 2020. So it sold for 114,000 in And then it was literally just an elevator up to the sky.

00:52:52.28
Adz
Yeah, it did it's one of those cards that the code the the COVID ah crazy period that we refer to of that 2020 boom, ah it never went down because it's so rare.

00:53:00.00
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:04.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Well, yeah, it fell to 427k and that was very recently.

00:53:11.60
Adz
Yeah.

00:53:11.91
Russell Gibson
Now it's gone back up to 800.

00:53:13.24
Adz
Back up.

00:53:13.81
Russell Gibson
So look, I don't have a huge problem with this card because I think this has genuine scarcity. Yeah.

00:53:22.08
Adz
Oh, I definitely don't have a problem with the card. I just, I have a problem with it being called the rookie card for these players. That's all.

00:53:29.45
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:53:30.61
Adz
and And that's just the difference of opinion.

00:53:30.82
Russell Gibson
I mean,

00:53:32.37
Adz
I think it's a very, it's a historical card.

00:53:35.06
Russell Gibson
yeah, yeah. I think you just have to let that go, man, to say, look, even if, you know, you disagree to disagree, you know it doesn't matter.

00:53:41.11
Adz
It's a great, yeah, no, agree to disagree, but that's like the reason, yeah.

00:53:43.57
Russell Gibson
It's like that whole thing with fast break cards, you know, it's like, I think those should be worth way more, but they're just not, you know, okay, is what it is.

00:53:50.03
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:53:51.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:51.57
Adz
Well, we we did go from a point where the star Michael Jordan was the was it discarded. and now it's now it's up there with the flea.

00:53:58.91
Russell Gibson
The card, yeah.

00:53:59.09
Adz
So who knows?

00:54:01.48
Russell Gibson
Keeping in the Magic Johnston theme though, this is again from Card Letter, a recent sale, the 2012 Prism Magic Johnson gold numbered to 10. It sold for $20,600.

00:54:13.05
Adz
a beautiful looking card.

00:54:14.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think that's the other thing too.

00:54:16.71
Adz
The gold.

00:54:17.39
Russell Gibson
It's that beautiful 2012 Prism set. It's the gold. It's obviously, know, that gold Lakers, the color match going on there.

00:54:24.25
Adz
column match yeah yep

00:54:26.29
Russell Gibson
The low numbered, the beautiful grade, it's got everything. It ticks a lot of boxes. I actually think this is a really good purchase. Some of these cards that I see coming up on Cardlet, I think, you know, when are you going to get your money back on this?

00:54:38.46
Russell Gibson
I think you could sell this tomorrow and even almost double your money. like I think that is just a fantastic...

00:54:44.00
Adz
yep yeah

00:54:45.71
Russell Gibson
So whoever purchased that, kudos to you. Well done. You've beaten the market. Speaking about beating the market, this is probably my favorite card that we're going to talk about tonight.

00:54:58.45
Russell Gibson
And whoever purchased this, I would just like to buy you a beer, even though you don't need a beer at this point in time.

00:55:05.01
Adz
Oh.

00:55:05.36
Russell Gibson
You probably should be buying me a beer. Anyway, it don't matter.

00:55:07.45
Adz
Oh.

00:55:08.25
Russell Gibson
2009 Classic Steph Curry autograph numbered to $499. It is an on-card autograph. The card is fantastic.

00:55:15.93
Adz
Yeah.

00:55:17.17
Russell Gibson
He looks like a baby. It's a rookie card. However, the thing that what we're about to talk about, is it is a true BGS 10 black label, meaning that the centering edges, corners and surface are all subgrades 10.

00:55:31.79
Adz
yeah

00:55:32.04
Russell Gibson
The difficulty for people at home that aren't familiar with black labels, these are very, very, very difficult to get. And the black labels will sell for much higher than a PSA 10 will just for that simple reason of it's got the 10s on all the subgrades.

00:55:48.53
Russell Gibson
I can't believe how little this sold for ad. To the point that I actually think that I'm surprised the sale didn't cancel. they It can't be right.

00:55:57.96
Adz
Really?

00:55:59.82
Russell Gibson
What, a Steph Curry rookie card?

00:56:02.44
Adz
But it's, it, but it's, a thing but ah but it's, it's,

00:56:03.25
Russell Gibson
Black label.

00:56:06.77
Adz
Yeah, know. But it's not one of the renowned cards. Do you know what I mean? Like it's...

00:56:11.49
Russell Gibson
I think if you're getting a Steph rookie, that's a black label, right?

00:56:13.79
Adz
Oh, look, I think it's a phenomenal purchase. Like I think it's...

00:56:16.58
Russell Gibson
Pop five.

00:56:19.27
Adz
think it's great.

00:56:20.11
Russell Gibson
I don't understand this at all. Like I genuinely don't.

00:56:23.20
Adz
the previous The previous like sale was a year ago.

00:56:31.94
Adz
its awful a lot

00:56:33.40
Russell Gibson
I just think, look.

00:56:34.60
Adz
I still think it's a, good given it's a black label, but is it like, is it, is it, is it a license, is it a licensing thing? what Why is it, why is

00:56:52.27
Adz
Hmm. Hmm.

00:56:54.58
Russell Gibson
Maybe that's part of the issue, but yeah, I'm...

00:56:57.15
Adz
Classics.

00:57:00.49
Russell Gibson
I don't know, ad I think that's a licensed card.

00:57:03.07
Adz
Hmm.

00:57:03.38
Russell Gibson
Like I should know this to be honest.

00:57:04.07
Adz
It's a beautiful card though.

00:57:06.26
Russell Gibson
Look, anyway, my prediction here is this card's going to 10 X at some point. And we're going to look back at this and be like, like you know, whoever got that kudos.

00:57:10.55
Adz
Oh, for sure. 100%, 100%.

00:57:15.84
Adz
and yeah ah hundred percent one hundred percent

00:57:16.65
Russell Gibson
Right. So we've just gone from one of the best who's ever done it. And now we're going to talk about ultra modern this week stats. And we're going to talk about the coldest starts.

00:57:29.13
Russell Gibson
in the NBA the moment. Shaden Sharp at number one, being number one being the worst. Points per shot, 0.78. zero point seven eight Derek White, your boy, also at 0.78.

00:57:42.11
Adz
Well, he's known for his defense, all right?

00:57:44.68
Russell Gibson
I think the thing with Derek White is he's better suited as a third or fourth option, not being the first or second option. So I will defend him in that. I think he's being used outside of his skill set currently due to circumstance.

00:58:00.87
Russell Gibson
Trey Young, who's currently injured and he's going to be, I think Trey's out for a while. I'll just check the the injury report.

00:58:05.16
Adz
Uh-oh. a few injuries this season that have taken early days. Anyway, and Trey Young.

00:58:14.05
Russell Gibson
MCL injury, and he's going to be examined in a month.

00:58:14.13
Adz
Oh, he's cooked.

00:58:19.08
Russell Gibson
So this could be you know longer than that.

00:58:20.19
Adz
he's Yeah, yeah. Cool one.

00:58:23.43
Russell Gibson
Cade Cunningham, my boy, 0.91 points per shot. And then my other love fest, which I'm probably starting to... I feel not so much love for.

00:58:34.06
Adz
cool on

00:58:34.58
Russell Gibson
but Paulo Banchero at 0.91 points too. So let's just really quickly check Cade's card stats. The other thing while I'm just looking this up, I'm going to add in is that there was a um story out, and I should know the reference here, where he associated Josh Smith, if you remember him, the power forward from the Atlanta Hawks,

00:58:54.47
Adz
I remember. yeah Yep.

00:58:56.55
Russell Gibson
to Ben Chiro and I'm not super happy about this comparison at all. In fact, I'm going to go out to Limsey. I hate it. and And if it is true, which um I don't think so, I think Ben Chiro is a much better scorer than Josh Smith ever was or will be.

00:59:12.51
Adz
I'm less, I'm, I think I'm less, I'm less worried about Cade and Paolo to be fair.

00:59:13.72
Russell Gibson
That's, that's bad. That's bad.

00:59:20.13
Russell Gibson
Me too. I actually, I agree with that 100%. So Bancero is currently trading at 342. In the last month, he's down 12%, which is not a great sign for the usual, the excitement.

00:59:32.66
Adz
but remember do Do you remember the dip on Cade last season before he went through the roof?

00:59:39.67
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yep. Cade Cunningham is currently trading at 557 USD. In the last six months, he's up 30%. The last three months, he's just up 8%. So he's been pretty steady.

00:59:51.07
Russell Gibson
three months he's just up eight percent so he's been pretty steady

00:59:54.22
Adz
Steady recently.

00:59:55.55
Russell Gibson
And recently he's down 0.5%, but not enough even to you know really comment on that.

01:00:01.65
Adz
Yeah.

01:00:01.69
Russell Gibson
Look, I think this is interesting for me because looping this in, Shaden Sharp was just extended by the Blazers. They've paid him an absolute bag, four years, $90 million. dollars They've clearly created space on their roster to facilitate him having more shots.

01:00:18.83
Russell Gibson
So it might be one of those things of this is just a you know a feeling out year for him this is what's to be expected now that they are giving him more shots and more opportunities. Clearly they they see a lot in him.

01:00:28.87
Adz
True.

01:00:32.03
Russell Gibson
And I actually think he's the type of player you do take a risk on. His athleticism is elite, just elite.

01:00:36.04
Adz
Oh, look. and and And honestly, like shooting slumps, sure, they've been inefficient, but shooting slumps can change.

01:00:39.60
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:42.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:46.82
Russell Gibson
Definitely. Absolutely. So Shade and Sharp, let's talk some cards on this guy. I found his card ladder sales history and I sorted it by price in terms of the most expensive first.

01:00:58.23
Adz
my goodness.

01:00:59.76
Russell Gibson
His PSA 9 black one of one rookie card from Panini Prism sold for price.

01:01:08.11
Adz
Whoa!

01:01:08.79
Russell Gibson
His immaculate one-of-one patch logoman with an autograph, I'm not too sure if I said that properly or not, one-of-one, sold for $26,840.

01:01:21.73
Russell Gibson
I think there's a bit of speculation on this guy. Obviously, people are interested in him seeing you know him do well, so... um Yeah, look, I think at this point he's high risk for me.

01:01:34.14
Russell Gibson
I think particularly at these prices at, you know, 50,000 plus like that to me is a little bit too much for Shaden Sharp.

01:01:39.65
Adz
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:01:41.03
Russell Gibson
But at the same time, yeah, he's obviously got a market there too to jump in.

01:01:43.64
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:47.13
Adz
Yeah.

01:01:47.81
Russell Gibson
um Really quickly, we do have to give this guy some best wishes. This is for our our friend at the Thunder, Topic. Unfortunately, did his ACL last year.

01:01:56.60
Adz
Yeah, this is sad.

01:01:57.94
Russell Gibson
This year has been diagnosed with testicular cancer. He's already begun treatment. um So, yeah, 100% sending him all the best wishes in the world.

01:02:08.35
Adz
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:09.47
Russell Gibson
Huge, speedy recovery there, and we hope to see him back on the court.

01:02:12.99
Adz
Really do. Yeah.

01:02:13.98
Russell Gibson
ASAP. I think that's the best way to say it.

01:02:14.85
Adz
Just, just hope he, hope he recovers.

01:02:16.41
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:02:17.32
Adz
um sporting Sporting aside, like it's just, yeah, you hope he recovers from the cancer.

01:02:22.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah. ah Kobe to finish with that. I'm going to leave this one for you.

01:02:26.49
Adz
I, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say yeah Kobe to finish this week.

01:02:31.42
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:02:32.11
Adz
Do we, we just go with the, the one of one.

01:02:34.84
Russell Gibson
i think we do the one of one. I think that's the bigger card at the end of the day. Yeah.

01:02:38.07
Adz
All right. Unreal. One of one. where

01:02:41.34
Russell Gibson
Time to froth. Let's go.

01:02:43.22
Adz
That is a beautiful card.

01:02:47.59
Adz
so what What year is it?

01:02:54.35
Adz
Oh, this is infuriating watching the video because I can't...

01:03:01.59
Adz
I can't see what year the card is.

01:03:05.45
Adz
But it's just a flawless one-of-one with the logomen. I want one. How much do you reckon that's sold for? Or would sell for?

01:03:17.70
Adz
youre you You're muted.

01:03:21.83
Russell Gibson
Do you mean how much would Shine and sell it to himself in the Syndicate?

01:03:25.76
Adz
Yeah, is this Shines, is it?

01:03:27.38
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:03:29.12
Adz
Is this the Wondershine one? tosh shine one The 2.4 mil?

01:03:32.44
Russell Gibson
I don't, is that, I think that's a different one.

01:03:32.62
Adz
Or is that a different card?

01:03:34.64
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:03:36.06
Adz
We can talk about that one as well while we're on it.

01:03:38.58
Russell Gibson
ah We might as well loop this in for sure. So this is something completely different card.

01:03:41.40
Adz
Oh, no, it's a different card. Yeah, it's a completely different card.

01:03:45.36
Russell Gibson
um And i this is not confirmed to be Wondershine card. This is one that I was speculating on. But for those at home, I'm actually building a spreadsheet on confirmed Wondershine cards and cards that we have predicted or speculated to be part of the Wondershine.

01:03:59.09
Adz
Hmm.

01:04:01.90
Russell Gibson
So this is the two thousand and seven eight exquisite Kobe Bryant patch autograph card number 250. It's raw, which for me is...

01:04:14.12
Russell Gibson
Fascinating on a lot of on a lot of levels at the moment. I think if you're spending two and a half million bucks, why can't you spend a thousand or so to get it sent off to PSA, at least to get it authenticated?

01:04:25.42
Adz
Oh, they probably will though.

01:04:27.38
Russell Gibson
But I think you should do it before you do a private sale because I think the narrative recently is that there's a whole bunch of new whales coming in with a whole bunch of fakes going around to try and pull their pants down.

01:04:39.29
Russell Gibson
Like, are you spending that much without insurance on it? Because even that autograph, like, i I don't... I'm not saying this is a fake autograph in saying that. It doesn't look like his normal one.

01:04:51.88
Adz
Do you reckon someone else wrote MVP on it?

01:04:54.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah, and it's also got that extra in inscription on it too. So it's kind of Like,

01:04:58.08
Adz
Oh, can you imagine if you got the ink checked and it wasn't the same?

01:04:59.10
Russell Gibson
like i But for me, like that's got enough red flags ad where it's like a super great patch. We know there could be patch swapping.

01:05:07.60
Adz
Yeah.

01:05:09.75
Russell Gibson
The autograph that doesn't look stock standard, in my opinion, plus the inscription and it's raw.

01:05:16.58
Adz
Look, yeah.

01:05:17.38
Russell Gibson
I don't know.

01:05:17.54
Adz
and and it

01:05:17.74
Russell Gibson
That's that's my two cents. like That's too much risk for me.

01:05:20.82
Adz
And it's jersey numbered at 24. Well, so it's it's got a lot going for it.

01:05:27.46
Russell Gibson
And it sold for jersey number two. I just realized that.

01:05:30.62
Adz
Yeah, 2.4 mil. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, how crazy is this?

01:05:34.52
Russell Gibson
This has to be a scam, doesn't it? Actually, now i'm starting to think this is a scam post.

01:05:37.86
Adz
No, it's ah it's surely on the Wondershine Index.

01:05:41.57
Russell Gibson
Well, I put it into a potential.

01:05:41.63
Adz
um That said, copying comping that to the flawless, um

01:05:47.24
Russell Gibson
Yeah, so what does the flawless one of one sell for? That's a great, well done, great segue.

01:05:50.97
Adz
the flawless one of one, i mean, Logo Man, oh my God. Like that's a...

01:05:57.09
Russell Gibson
Which is mint nine and autograph 10.

01:06:02.71
Adz
God, you'd say that. I don't, I'd want, think I want the logo, man. So you pay what? Is it $3 million dollars card?

01:06:08.92
Russell Gibson
What price?

01:06:11.23
Adz
ah three'd I'd say four, but anyway, four mil.

01:06:11.24
Russell Gibson
I was going to say at least at least double or triple, surely, if that's gone for that.

01:06:16.96
Adz
Okay. So we rounded up and call it a $5 million dollars card.

01:06:20.88
Russell Gibson
So funny, isn't it? like I've gone from saying Kobe Bryant's an absolute buy. Are we getting to the point now where actually this stuff is going for way overs? Like $2.4 million for that raw card that's numbered to $50 million. That, to me, think like i think

01:06:39.74
Russell Gibson
Kobe's are a buy in the sense that he's not signing again. And I think that they've been going upwards in a very nice way.

01:06:44.70
Adz
It depends on the Kobe. I think it really depends on the Kobe.

01:06:48.90
Russell Gibson
But that to me does seem like a, if we want to use that reference of bubble like that, it's the bubble, isn't it?

01:06:51.49
Adz
I think... No, that's Wondershine buying it in advance, I reckon.

01:06:58.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, maybe.

01:06:58.64
Adz
It's such a round number.

01:07:00.87
Russell Gibson
It's a weird number, isn't it? Yeah.

01:07:02.38
Adz
Or it's the the the rogue Wondershine competitor trying to get in and buy stuff to to the yeah competing collection.

01:07:12.96
Russell Gibson
Outflex him, you reckon, man.

01:07:14.49
Adz
That's it.

01:07:15.27
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Adam.

01:07:16.67
Adz
Thanks for a great show. it was This was a lot of fun.

01:07:19.30
Russell Gibson
Thank you to all our listeners at home. We are not here without you guys, and we are very aware of that. We are so grateful that you tune in to us every week. Thank you very much. Thank you to our friends in Australia, America, Canada, Philippines.

01:07:32.42
Adz
all around all around All around the world.

01:07:34.59
Russell Gibson
Some people in Germany tune in. Yeah, like guys, it's amazing. Thank you so much. Have a great day.

01:07:40.08
Adz
And we'll we'll see you tomorrow for the Q&A.

01:07:43.99
Russell Gibson
That's it.