Episode 247: 10 Things We Actually Like About Topps, Reed Sheppard, Cade Cunningham, Huge PMG Sale

In Episode 247, Russell and Adam break down the ten things they genuinely like about Topps — from fresh product design to global outreach, cleaner parallels, better photography, and the hobby energy Topps has brought back. They also talk about player selection, accessibility for new collectors, and why some innovations are quietly improving the landscape.

It’s a surprisingly positive episode… with just enough spice to keep things honest.

Transcript

00:00:13.03
Adz
Welcome everybody to episode 247 of the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card Podcast. We are your hosts, Adam, Amy and Russell Gibson. We're approaching 250 very rapidly.

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Adz
Actually, we're probably just doing it in order.

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Russell Gibson
Yes. Hello, everybody.

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Adz
No, I think about it.

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Russell Gibson
Hey, yeah How are you doing, buddy?

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Adz
I'm good. I'm good.

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Russell Gibson
We are getting to 250, Ad, which is a fun master but milestone.

00:00:41.19
Adz
and's another It's another milestone, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
yeah

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Adz
it's um It doesn't surprise me anymore. It's another one of those sort of checkpoints.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Nico Harrison, Reed Shepard, Paulo Banchero, PMGs are back in my feed this week. We've got a segment about 10 things I like about tops. We'll try and get

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Adz
is this Is this in response to you being so negative about topsy?

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Russell Gibson
I just think I've been too negative and I'm just trying to be a bit more of my own Russell, sort of more positive.

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Adz
sort of a self correction should be yeah good.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. So I went to a lot of effort to get this done and I'm going to publicly admit after eight, it gets super sketchy. So we might not get to 10 things, but we will try.

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Adz
We'll see how we go, right?

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Russell Gibson
We're going to talk about WNBA Donruss, a really good post from Sports Cards Addicts. And I'm not going to read the sheet after that because it's possible we won't get that far down the list.

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Adz
Who knows?

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Russell Gibson
But it will roll over to next week, which some of this stuff has been rolled over for about five weeks.

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Adz
Who knows what else?

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Russell Gibson
So it's possible we're never going to get to this stuff.

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Adz
Is it, have we got to the bit where Steppencastle is in the dunk contest? or

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Russell Gibson
Do you know who would be good in the dunk contest? I was thinking about this today, Johnny Furphy.

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Adz
Yeah, sure true, true, true. Yeah, okay.

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Russell Gibson
Furphy deserves a spot in this year's dunk competition. And I reckon he's young enough he would actually turn up.

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Adz
That's true.

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Russell Gibson
Anyway.

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Adz
Mack McClung won't be. He's he's lost, his he's been delisted anyway.

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Russell Gibson
they'll They'll find an excuse to get him back in the competition.

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Adz
Give him another 10 day somewhere to get him into the dunk contest.

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Russell Gibson
and

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Adz
Anyway, we're segueing already.

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Russell Gibson
Already. Nico Harrison's been fired.

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Adz
didn any was Was anyone surprised this was coming, really?

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Russell Gibson
i

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Russell Gibson
I'm genuinely surprised because i think it depends on which conspiracy you believe at this point. I feel like the logic of a general manager trading Luka Doncic without being under instruction from your owner, I find that very difficult to believe.

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Adz
Okay. Okay.

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Russell Gibson
But the narrative that they're now trying to spin is that the owner didn't understand the importance of Luka Doncic.

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Adz
Oh, because he was talking to a fan on the side.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. And that he...

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Adz
Whatever.

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Russell Gibson
like basically was convinced by Nico that this was the right thing to do And so, yeah.

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Adz
scapegoat nonsense move.

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Russell Gibson
And so I think like for me, this is pretty funny because it's like if you had that much money and you own a basketball team and you don't know the value of Luca Droncic, maybe like you're in the wrong game or you just have too much money or both, you know, either could be.

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Russell Gibson
And then to take it back,

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Adz
Column A and column B, really, yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah, and then to take it back to basketball cards, at like almost this feels like a dodgy um vendor at a trading show like ripping off ah like a little kid that's got too much money.

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Russell Gibson
And the analogy here, obviously, is that Nico is the kid with too much money. um

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Adz
Nico's the guy that's trying to hand out the fake $50 notes and spend them at the card show.

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Russell Gibson
No, I don't think Nico is smart enough to do that.

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Adz
Ha!

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Russell Gibson
See how we spun this around and made it about trading cards, Adam?

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
them Everything always comes back to trading cards.

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Adz
yeah Everything.

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Russell Gibson
What's your take on this? Because I feel like you've got more skin in this game than I do. i just

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Adz
and like ah i told you

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Russell Gibson
I'm just very surprised. Yeah.

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Adz
i told you before the show, i was i was very amused by the AI-generated clip of the Nico Harrison jersey being raised into the rafters ah down at Crypto Arena.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
I mean, he might not have ever played for the Los Angeles Lakers, but he did give us Luca. um So he he's should be honoured.

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Russell Gibson
I mean, that's an old timer, like trash talk, really. Yeah.

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Adz
and is ah The Luka stuff is... I mean, do what I can segue straight into to to what they got for Luka. Like, Nico Harrison's not not a mastermind.

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Adz
Dallas, as an organization, i don't know what they were hoping to achieve, but Luka was out of shape, right? And he was taking too long to come back from, wait for it, a calf injury.

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Adz
He had a calf strain. Now, let's fast forward... nine months. We've got a out of shape Anthony Davis in Dallas who's suffering with a calf strain and is listed as day to day and doesn't know when he's coming back on the court.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

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Adz
Now, obviously theres there's rumors going around and the, suppose the status is that they keep holding him back. And I think it is a genuine concern associated with the the yeah the connection between calf strains and Achilles injuries.

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Russell Gibson
yeah And also the fact that he's like a walking injury.

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Adz
yeah Yep. He's literally a walking injury. so

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Russell Gibson
The only thing i can add to this that might be of any intelligence is that they own their own first-round pick this year.

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Adz
Well done.

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Russell Gibson
So with Kyrie being out, you hold out Anthony Davis as long as you can. You give Cooper flag a usage rate of nearly 45 a game.

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Russell Gibson
okay

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Adz
Yeah.

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Russell Gibson
And then um you hope to get another really nice draft pick coming to that team. It's not a terrible scenario, is it?

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Adz
It's not terrible. It's not terrible for next year. This year is not looking great.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. Final thoughts on this. We don't need to dwell on this for too long.

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Adz
um Look, I don't think Nico Harrison will be unemployed for long, but I don't think he'll be employed in basketball circles. That's all I can say.

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Russell Gibson
Well, he might just go back to what he did before that, which was being a high powered executive for Nike.

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Adz
Maybe it was, ah there there are conspiracies, but.

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Russell Gibson
Well, was going to say, if let's just finish it off with this. If you do enjoy conspiracies, read about the conspiracies about who benefited from this and it's Nike.

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Adz
Interesting, right?

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Russell Gibson
Yeah. all right, Reed Shepard. Let's talk about Reed Shepard because last year he was in a situation where he was a very high draft pick and didn't get played. He was behind Fred Van Vliet and correctly so, Freddie Van Vliet is an NBA champion.

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Adz
Yep.

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Russell Gibson
um But obviously this year he's not playing, which then forced Imi Udoka to play Reed Shepard. And I would probably say from the look on Udoka's face time to time, he's not a fan of playing Reed Shepard.

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Russell Gibson
30 plus minutes a game, but I think it had to happen and and it's and it's happening. So if you have been buying Reed Shepard through the rookie hype and then you continued to buy when he dropped off a little bit, I think you should be feeling very happy about yourself right now.

00:07:15.37
Adz
Hmm.

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Russell Gibson
This is from Brad. I'm not even going to try and pronounce this. Reed Shepard is now the youngest guard in the NBA history to score four straight double digit scoring games with a true shooting percentage of 80 or higher 21 points on 91.8 percent true shooting 16 points on 80 percent 16 on 80 and 12 points on 85 percent he's a high volume three-point shooter so that would obviously contribute to that there's a whole bunch of other stats going out there so i'll try and get through these quickly read shepherd tonight this is from 17th october

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Adz
yeah

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Adz
me

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Russell Gibson
29 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals, 3 blocks, 12 of 22, plus minus of 11 in just 29 minutes. Kevin O'Connor is also currently buying up Reed Shepard stock.

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Russell Gibson
And then let's talk about Reed Shepard sales because some of this stuff is really making me like shake my head a little bit. so So I think basically the you know the one-line summary of this is if you're currently holding Reed Shepard,

00:08:40.82
Russell Gibson
and you're not a believer and you're not married to these cards, I would be looking through your piles to begin listing them because a 2425 Mosaic rookie card numbered to 25 just sold for 200 US, which in my opinion, it's probably a hundred bucks over.

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Russell Gibson
Like honestly, yeah, yeah I think, i think he's very, very hot at the moment.

00:09:01.97
Adz
There's a bit of hype there. There's a bit of hy hype there.

00:09:07.30
Adz
Definitely. Commodity for sure.

00:09:08.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah, this is a flawless, even though it's been listed as one-on-one, it's actually a flawless rookie patch autograph numbered out of 25.

00:09:20.66
Russell Gibson
On-card autograph, that's sold for 347 USD. I don't think that's terrible. In fact, ah that's probably the best buy everything we're about to talk about.

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Russell Gibson
This is a college Bowman University Chrome card, sticker autograph, numbered to 75. That sold for $275.

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Russell Gibson
I think the person who sold that should literally, yeah, they should absolutely be doing cartwheels at this point.

00:09:46.84
Adz
someone Someone's drinking the Kool-Aid.

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Russell Gibson
So um, um

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Russell Gibson
I'm actually really happy to see this kid doing what he's doing. And I think this is fantastic. I would also say too, though, I think you should be looking at your piles. And if you do have them, now is a good time to to move them on.

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Russell Gibson
If you're a Reed Shepard lover, what do you do? Because now you can't buy the cards. Now he's going through like a bit of a peak. Do you wait?

00:10:21.27
Adz
Oh, that's a good question.

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Russell Gibson
Do you hold what you've got or do you just sort of just keep trickle buying? I would probably say be very, very careful at the moment because I really think this is a Reed Shepard bubble at the moment, even though I think it's fantastic.

00:10:31.67
Adz
Whoa.

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Russell Gibson
I think the Rockets are an awesome watch this year. I think KD's fit in really well. I think Shen Goon is good. think the Thompson, one of the Thompson twins is just like ridiculous.

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Adz
and left

00:10:44.27
Russell Gibson
And um they're they're a great watch this year. Have you been watching much Houston?

00:10:47.53
Adz
I haven't watched much Houston.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:49.53
Adz
I will.

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Russell Gibson
You just love the Lakers, don't you?

00:10:51.32
Adz
ah love I love I love it. do. i do do.

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Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:10:54.10
Adz
No, watched a bit of Spurs basketball, actually. Also enjoyed watching Wemby, especially with André Mongris.

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Russell Gibson
Dunk on Draymond.

00:11:00.68
Adz
Oh, that was that was beautiful. Although the Warriors closed it out and won the game.

00:11:07.35
Russell Gibson
Fox probably could have passed

00:11:11.55
Adz
ah it's...

00:11:13.41
Russell Gibson
once or twice more.

00:11:14.33
Adz
I love it how we've segued into sort of buy, hold, sell, Reed Shepard. i like I think it's a good question.

00:11:20.72
Russell Gibson
I wanted to talk about this, actually.

00:11:21.34
Adz
we've been like With due back at some point, right?

00:11:21.84
Russell Gibson
I think this is a good and NBA story for sure, yeah.

00:11:31.70
Adz
Does that mean Reid Shepard takes a back seat again?

00:11:36.25
Russell Gibson
I think his minutes will decline, but this is a next year conversation. Like, Van Vliet's not...

00:11:40.45
Adz
yeah but So so that's the but that's the pathway, right? So the the card's going to go up and then drop off again. So if if you've got them, sell them.

00:11:48.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:11:49.59
Adz
if you're looking to buy them, unless you've got a bad case of FOMO, wait till next year. Wait till, wait till Van Bleet's back. And then the, the, the taper will happen.

00:11:59.01
Russell Gibson
I actually wonder if this bubble is even hotter than that. i was going to say even three months. Like, I really think that...

00:12:03.66
Adz
Why? So all-star weekend, you'll be, you'll be able to buy Reed Shepard again.

00:12:04.45
Russell Gibson
I think... I think just chill a little bit. If you want to buy more, read you know just wait a couple of months.

00:12:09.60
Adz
Don't do that.

00:12:09.76
Russell Gibson
But...

00:12:10.10
Adz
Like the poor people that are trying to sell them want to make money on them.

00:12:13.13
Russell Gibson
If you want to sell, sell them right now.

00:12:13.20
Adz
Hmm.

00:12:15.48
Russell Gibson
I think now is the time to sell. But I think buying them going to be a little bit tricky, honestly.

00:12:19.15
Adz
Look, if you've got FOMO and want to buy instant gratification, you can pay overs and and buy them off the people selling them. I'm actually thinking i've got a couple of cards here. so

00:12:28.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:12:29.62
Adz
Might try and dig out.

00:12:29.99
Russell Gibson
All right.

00:12:30.26
Adz
oh go Were you referring to me when you said dig through the piles for Reed Shepard?

00:12:34.28
Russell Gibson
No, I just think sometimes you you have cards in a box, you know.

00:12:34.88
Adz
Because I took the Reed Shepard when we had our little Winnie draft, when we bought the box.

00:12:41.38
Russell Gibson
ah did you?

00:12:41.99
Adz
Yeah. i

00:12:42.59
Russell Gibson
Yeah, right.

00:12:43.30
Adz
yeah So now I have to go and dig through the piles to find the Reed Shepard.

00:12:44.90
Russell Gibson
No, I forgot about that, to be honest with you. Yeah. All right. This next one is from our listener, Oivin Holland. And I asked him where he got it from, but he couldn't reference it. So whoever we're stealing this from, it's unintentional. We apologize.

00:13:01.51
Russell Gibson
But it's a fantastic comparison between Paulo Banchero and Denny Udjiva. Games this year, 10 9. 22 points for Banchero, 25 Denny. rebounds per game.

00:13:12.91
Russell Gibson
Banchero is winning that nine to seven assist is one by Denny Archeva 4.4 to 4.9 steals is exactly the same blocks is one to 0.9. So that's exactly the same.

00:13:24.53
Russell Gibson
Danny shooting better from the field at 0.48 versus 0.455. And then three point percentage is terrible for Banchero at 0.22 and Denny's winning that at 0.356. So i think this is a really fun one. Let's, I think we should check out both of their prices because they're I mean, i already know like what it's going to be, but at the same time, who's going to be the winner.

00:13:44.52
Russell Gibson
But at the same time...

00:13:44.70
Adz
You've really got, you've you've gone, going stop beating up on tops and just start on Paolo.

00:13:49.79
Russell Gibson
No, i think I think I'm actually genuinely curious about this just because i was very high on him, but I can also feel myself like really cooling off. so And I think also, oh, actually, do you know what? Now we're doing this um Denny story too.

00:14:03.57
Russell Gibson
I need to correct myself from last week's show when I was talking about Denny's contract.

00:14:08.09
Adz
Yeah.

00:14:08.48
Russell Gibson
You know that part i was saying to it I read it three times and I was like, so it was actually a retweet from like three years ago, which is why that he was getting paid $10 million a year.

00:14:16.51
Adz
Oh. Yeah,

00:14:18.40
Russell Gibson
Because I was like, this is ridiculous. Like if Dyson Daniels is getting, what, $25 million a year now, how is Denny on $10?

00:14:25.24
Adz
yeah. yeah

00:14:26.71
Russell Gibson
so that's So people at home, I apologize. Thank you for your patience with me. I do make mistakes routinely, but, you know, that's me in a nutshell.

00:14:33.18
Adz
He does. Trying to find Denny.

00:14:37.16
Russell Gibson
Um, and Cher is currently trading at three 20.

00:14:38.00
Adz
Denny's on card ladder, but...

00:14:40.25
Russell Gibson
Oh, he's not on there. Okay.

00:14:41.56
Adz
Oh, he's he's there, but he's raw. That's all he is. There

00:14:44.45
Russell Gibson
Oh, why don't we just do a raw component? That's, that's fun.

00:14:48.37
Adz
we go. So the raw raw silver.

00:14:48.76
Russell Gibson
So Ben Cher is at 50, 50 USD raw.

00:14:53.28
Adz
Okay. Well, his PSA tends it a little bit more than that at 320, but you're right.

00:14:56.78
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:14:57.12
Adz
Let's go let's go for raw.

00:14:58.03
Russell Gibson
What's Danny trading a raw at?

00:15:00.12
Adz
Raw, $16. There's

00:15:01.43
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Right.

00:15:03.56
Adz
been a little bit of movement, the peak peak being 20, but yeah.

00:15:03.97
Russell Gibson
look

00:15:06.43
Adz
but yeah

00:15:08.76
Russell Gibson
I've got to say at this point, a raw Banchero for 50, actually that intrigues me.

00:15:08.84
Adz
So what?

00:15:13.93
Russell Gibson
But a Denny Arjava at 16, I think that's money in the bank. I think that's a fantastic buy. I love the kid.

00:15:19.28
Adz
PSA 8. A bit of PSA 8 is the raw. So 40 bucks is for a PSA 8.

00:15:25.14
Russell Gibson
I love Denny though. like I think he's got a really good motor. I think he's good like a good-hearted person. I think he's going to be in the right place at some time. I mean, ironically, it might be Portland when and all is said and done and Billups is fired.

00:15:37.79
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:15:38.65
Russell Gibson
They're actually winning games right now.

00:15:40.35
Adz
Hmm, interesting. maybe Maybe they're winning games because Billups isn't there. They don't know the instruction is to tank.

00:15:44.18
Russell Gibson
I mean,

00:15:47.89
Russell Gibson
who would have thought, right?

00:15:48.27
Adz
They need the coach back to tell them to play poorly.

00:15:51.00
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:15:52.34
Adz
Oh, goodness.

00:15:52.94
Russell Gibson
Who would have thought? All right, let's go to a break and we'll come back and we will do 10 things, 10 things, 10 things that we love about TOPS.

00:15:59.42
Adz
Mr. Positivity. Positivity. I'll try to get to 10 anyway.

00:16:09.13
Russell Gibson
um I'm just going to put a ah footnote in here. So edit 16 minutes and 13 seconds. um Can you please do the fast break trading cards ad this week?

00:16:21.46
Russell Gibson
um So just click on the link there. um And though it's about ETBs and Pokemon. So I think you can you can represent that better.

00:16:27.22
Adz
Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:16:30.17
Russell Gibson
Yeah, cool.

00:16:30.22
Adz
For sure. All right. Um,

00:16:33.93
Adz
all right

00:16:39.70
Adz
Sorry, getting a post up. but

00:16:44.63
Adz
What's the name of the set? Okay, cool, cool, cool.

00:16:53.31
Adz
All right, our first break is brought to you by our long lasting sponsor, Fast Break Trading Cards. This week's big release is not basketball related.

00:17:06.32
Adz
It is Pokemon related. And it is the new Mega Evolution Phantasmal Flames with the booster boxes coming out. I think it was this past Friday, the 14th of November.

00:17:22.68
Adz
But there's a staggered release with the ETBs coming out on the 21st of November and the UPCs coming out on the 5th of December.

00:17:33.03
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:17:33.23
Adz
So, yeah, I know Pokemon has been a big big ah mover, you know, fast break, make sure you've got your pre-orders in because this stuff sells fast.

00:17:45.80
Russell Gibson
That's it. Flippers get down to 75 Tulip Street in Cheltenham, Victoria 3192. No fighting in the car park though, because Big John will sort you guys out like lightning.

00:17:57.81
Adz
Yep. And Alvy will tell you off.

00:18:03.30
Adz
Give you a stern talking too.

00:18:06.09
Russell Gibson
um Also get fastbreaktradingcards.com for all of your other MBA and card collecting needs. Thank you so much to Fast Break Trading Cards.

00:18:19.35
Russell Gibson
Alrighty, we are back. Thank you everybody for joining us again. We are going to do our deep dive into 10 things that we love about Topps so far. We're going to turn around our negativity

00:18:34.19
Adz
um There's been a change of heart here, Russell. I do believe what's inspired this this change, you were you were you were very much like I was with Luka Dantic with regards to um how how bad quality product Topps were releasing.

00:18:49.22
Russell Gibson
maybe

00:18:51.42
Adz
and

00:18:51.63
Russell Gibson
Maybe I should buy a Topps jersey ad

00:18:53.53
Adz
That's it. We'll get you a Topps jersey. And now you're now you're on board. Now you're on board the Topps trade.

00:19:00.38
Russell Gibson
I'm not sure if I'm on board. i just think that, I mean, my my stance was i was going to be negative when they did bad stuff and positive when they did good stuff. so I've gone out of my way.

00:19:13.65
Russell Gibson
to try and find 10 things.

00:19:13.74
Adz
so i did To identify something. Yeah.

00:19:15.91
Russell Gibson
I think the other thing too, that's actually changed my mind a little bit though too, is we're not seeing unlicensed stuff anymore.

00:19:16.00
Adz
Yeah, 100%.

00:19:21.29
Russell Gibson
Like it's actually licensed basketball cards. And I, and I think whether I'm, you know, openly admitting this or not, I think the reality is I just wasn't interested in the unlicensed stuff. So I think that was a little bit part of it

00:19:34.87
Adz
Yeah. one hundred percent

00:19:35.38
Russell Gibson
Whereas now I'm like, I'm actually looking it with a much different lens. It's like, what of this stuff do I actually want to buy for myself and collect?

00:19:40.99
Adz
a

00:19:41.62
Russell Gibson
And, you know, I don't want to go straight talking into values, but some of this stuff we are going to talk about values because it is actually becoming valuable. So I think that's something else, you know, I wanted to touch on.

00:19:54.16
Russell Gibson
So,

00:19:55.25
Adz
can we Before we we kick off, remember the sample size is one set, one and a bit.

00:20:01.49
Russell Gibson
well, yeah, I've,

00:20:04.52
Adz
We don't know what the catalogue looks like, and and that's been my my thing saying, let's not judge tops on their first month with the licence, but yes.

00:20:09.54
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:20:13.15
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah, no, I think that's that's fair to say that. So I think one thing I do want to point out that we discussed last week is the the concept that we touched on was that it's junk wax that's collectible.

00:20:17.26
Adz
right.

00:20:29.15
Russell Gibson
And it's actually really interesting. So if you watch a couple of breaks, you don't get that many parallels out of it. Like it is very, very heavy on base. So one thing I would actually like to keep an eye on is like, is the aftermarket sale of like, well, no, i was going to say the hollows, like the silvers that come out because there's only like one or two per box.

00:20:37.79
Adz
Okay.

00:20:42.63
Adz
The base cards.

00:20:45.51
Adz
Okay. So that, yeah. Okay.

00:20:50.31
Adz
Interesting.

00:20:50.41
Russell Gibson
Whereas what we're used to with prism is one per packet, you know?

00:20:54.87
Adz
Yeah, yeah, there's an insert in every pack kind of thing, yep yeah.

00:20:55.84
Russell Gibson
And so,

00:20:58.87
Russell Gibson
No, I'm talking, you know, like just the silver.

00:20:59.86
Adz
Oh, the holograms, yeah, yeah.

00:21:01.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah, exactly. Right. And so like that is something I'm not too sure if the market's adjusted to that yet. You know, I think this is going a next week conversation.

00:21:10.86
Adz
Well, that's ah that this is definitely a time will tell when we we take a look at what the distribution...

00:21:11.15
Russell Gibson
How do you.

00:21:14.07
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And where the people haven't worked that out yet or they'll never be valued just because of, you know, they're not numbered or, you know, whatever that is. So anyway.

00:21:21.70
Adz
There'll be a dust settling period, I think. I think it's still hype about products selling out and things.

00:21:24.84
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:21:27.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. So the number one thing i like about Topps so far, and I found this just four days ago on Topps Hoops Instagram, is their Topps Now series.

00:21:35.20
Adz
Excellent.

00:21:39.76
Russell Gibson
So for example, the card that we're currently looking at is the Andrew Wiggins Alley Oop buzzer beater that was beautifully drawn up for him.

00:21:43.72
Adz
Yep. Okay.

00:21:50.50
Russell Gibson
um And then immediately they've made a trading card out of it. Obviously, this one is a demo because it's got his autograph already on it. However, if they are going to be doing this stuff, I think this is absolutely fantastic.

00:22:06.38
Russell Gibson
And I think that it will engage a very different part of the trading card market. And what I mean by that is this doesn't capture the people who are going into breaks and getting the thrill from opening packets.

00:22:18.63
Russell Gibson
Like this is people who want that very particular card and then go online and purchase it.

00:22:22.62
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:23.65
Russell Gibson
And I think that is something that we've needed for a very long time.

00:22:28.69
Adz
Yep.

00:22:29.19
Russell Gibson
And I'm actually really excited about this. So for example, Think about this in terms of your own PC. I'll do me. There's a Darren Fox, one of these. I will be queuing up to making sure I get on there for the drop of that, you know, when that comes out.

00:22:44.20
Adz
Yeah, 100%.

00:22:44.21
Russell Gibson
And so like, you know,

00:22:45.96
Adz
And it's, but it's very, it's flavored within now.

00:22:49.41
Russell Gibson
yeah, that's right.

00:22:50.04
Adz
Like it's.

00:22:50.94
Russell Gibson
In a really cool moment that you can remember and, you know, you might've even seen the game or whatever.

00:22:51.13
Adz
and like but

00:22:54.82
Russell Gibson
And so, you know, the example I'd give you is like Julius Randall.

00:22:55.30
Adz
Yeah.

00:22:57.38
Russell Gibson
Would you go online and buy?

00:22:59.17
Adz
Oh, hell yeah. Yeah.

00:22:59.85
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:00.05
Adz
Like it you go, we've seen tops test the market with this.

00:23:05.93
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:06.53
Adz
We saw the Cooper flag released.

00:23:06.58
Russell Gibson
And done very well out of it. Yeah.

00:23:08.01
Adz
We saw the Olympics release.

00:23:08.15
Russell Gibson
The Cooper flags. Yeah. Yeah. yeah

00:23:09.97
Adz
The link, the Olympics release was huge.

00:23:13.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah. And that was a great concept that was well executed.

00:23:15.57
Adz
And it was, it was, it was the, it was the Steph Curry night, night stuff.

00:23:15.89
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

00:23:19.81
Adz
It was the, the triple auto, like they marketed the, the, the living crap out of it, but it showed that that point in time sale of a, of a now product was really, really worked and was really popular.

00:23:20.26
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:25.72
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:23:34.61
Russell Gibson
Yeah, definitely. ah My number two is, this is easy for me. and i I almost put this at number one, but I think ultimately um most excited about the the Tops Now stuff.

00:23:48.25
Adz
yeah

00:23:49.00
Russell Gibson
But I've got the All Kings here because... I just genuinely like these cards. I think that they they, I think they look good.

00:23:56.41
Adz
and

00:23:56.54
Russell Gibson
And again, going back to that, it's made a product that probably wouldn't have been that collectible other than the hype that came along with the product. Whereas this now makes it, people want to go out and buy these cards and the aftermarket has been fantastic.

00:24:10.01
Adz
yeah

00:24:12.76
Russell Gibson
So I think, I think we should, you know, talk about this and actually look at some of these cards that have sold because

00:24:19.15
Adz
Some of the, the, the, yeah, the sold listings and things like that.

00:24:21.75
Russell Gibson
The price is ah a lot higher than what you think. So Giannis has sold for 471 USD.

00:24:28.20
Adz
Okay.

00:24:29.89
Russell Gibson
Walter Clayton Jr., who's the Kings rookie, sold for 182. So i think that's a really good litmus test in terms of who's Walter Clayton. No one's collecting Walter c Clayton. like Has he even played a minute?

00:24:43.95
Adz
Mm. Mm.

00:24:45.21
Russell Gibson
um Who knows? Anyway, Con Canapal, who's been lighting the world on fire at the moment, he sold for 480.

00:24:49.79
Adz
Doing all right, yeah.

00:24:51.16
Russell Gibson
Jeremiah Fierce sold for 297. boy Banchero sold for 300. Tracy McGrady, old school throwback, that sold for like

00:24:59.27
Adz
Mm.

00:25:04.20
Russell Gibson
this kind of

00:25:04.63
Adz
Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:05.26
Russell Gibson
i feel like in some ways A T-Mac Panini wouldn't sell for that much, you know, so Steph Curry sold for 1500.

00:25:11.08
Adz
No, no.

00:25:14.42
Russell Gibson
So i I think the market has received these, you know, really, really well.

00:25:18.55
Adz
Really well. I mean, it was ah there was ah we talked about it about the FOMO, but God, they're good looking cards and definitely, definitely.

00:25:19.34
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:25:24.86
Russell Gibson
Yep. They've nailed that one. Yeah. Number three is the gold vinyls. I know these are super rare and they're going to come up very much. And even though I think that this particular design is a fraction too busy for me, like the big Topps Chrome logo, the 45th anniversary thing, the rookie card orange thing. And the despite all of that, I think that actual print of the one of one I think that looks really good.

00:25:54.08
Russell Gibson
I think that's a little bit for me derivative of mosaic, but the mixing of the gold and the mosaic together, this really does appeal to me.

00:26:04.33
Russell Gibson
So if I'm ever lucky enough to get one of those into my own collection, i feel like that will definitely be like a very special part of that.

00:26:05.40
Adz
It's a nice looking cut.

00:26:13.63
Russell Gibson
So yes, um I approve of their gold vinyl one of one. ah So from here, there's a very heavy delineated line from here.

00:26:24.39
Adz
Okay.

00:26:24.55
Russell Gibson
ah so I'll just say

00:26:24.91
Adz
So they're the top ones. And this, the next one is sort of the top of the rest.

00:26:29.08
Russell Gibson
This is tier two.

00:26:30.23
Adz
Next of the rest.

00:26:31.39
Russell Gibson
This is my favorite insert so far. It is the 8-bit boilers. Now, I'm putting this here for two reasons. I like the originality of it and the aesthetics of it. I also like it for the price point.

00:26:42.89
Russell Gibson
These are dirt cheap. You can pick these up.

00:26:45.32
Adz
They're cool.

00:26:46.65
Russell Gibson
Exactly. They're just a fun set.

00:26:47.66
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:48.74
Russell Gibson
You can go out and collect it. It's not going to cost you a kidney. You'll have fun chasing these on ah eBay, Com C, trading with your mates, whatever.

00:26:54.88
Adz
Yeah.

00:26:56.73
Russell Gibson
Maybe you might pick one up at Fastbreak Trading Cards.

00:27:00.66
Adz
I see what you did there.

00:27:02.10
Russell Gibson
Thank you. I put the next one in as the hometown home court, which is the downtown ripoff. I put these below the 8-bit. And if you disagree...

00:27:13.76
Adz
Which one? im the net market oh okay the the The downtown, sorry. Yep.

00:27:19.77
Russell Gibson
sorry

00:27:19.96
Adz
Oh, these are shiny.

00:27:23.01
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:27:23.12
Adz
They look different.

00:27:24.65
Russell Gibson
So i put this one down list a little bit further than the 8-bit. And the reason I did that is because of the price. i'm What my concern is about these is that I'm worried that these won't hold.

00:27:37.25
Russell Gibson
Whereas the oh the Old Kings, I think, are fantastic. And think they're going to hold long term.

00:27:40.10
Adz
Yep.

00:27:41.74
Russell Gibson
What I'm worried about with these ones is I think the design is nice, but I don't think they're as good as the downtown cards. I also think that they lack the narrative.

00:27:48.12
Adz
okay

00:27:50.19
Russell Gibson
So what I'm worried about with these is that this is the pricing on these is basically pushed up by the excitability around the product. And I'm concerned about seeing a crash around that. So this one here, you can sort of say, look, there's a Luke Longley into the future on this. We'll come back to it.

00:28:05.60
Russell Gibson
I'm either going to be very wrong about this and these are going to explode up or I'm going to be right. And, you know, these are going to be not worth that much.

00:28:11.46
Adz
that's got damage That LeBron has got damage on the corner it's still sold for 450.

00:28:11.56
Russell Gibson
The LeBron,

00:28:15.15
Adz
Okay.

00:28:16.08
Russell Gibson
Well, that's the thing. i'd like i i personally like For me, that's a lot for that particular card, Raw.

00:28:22.80
Russell Gibson
you know

00:28:24.70
Adz
And it and a bit and there was there was damage on the the bottom left corner.

00:28:28.87
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:28:29.97
Adz
Wow.

00:28:31.85
Russell Gibson
um As you correctly pointed out, I skipped over one of the cards there. So we'll do the Netmarbles ripoff next, which is called the Comic Court, if I'm reading that correctly.

00:28:41.16
Adz
I mean, these are the these are tier two anyway, so they can be in any particular order.

00:28:43.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah, absolutely, T2. Look, i like I do like these cards. i think they're good, but I also think they completely lack originality.

00:28:53.89
Adz
What?

00:28:53.93
Russell Gibson
there is a

00:28:54.13
Adz
in the DC Comics version of the Net Marvels.

00:28:57.24
Russell Gibson
i i really think that there's a ah lawsuit against Panini at the moment for them ripping off whatever brand it was. I don't even didn't even care to remember.

00:29:05.92
Adz
Oh, yeah.

00:29:07.27
Russell Gibson
But, I mean, come on.

00:29:07.81
Adz
Yep.

00:29:08.58
Russell Gibson
Panini have to sue them over this. like this is just asking For me, this is asking for a lawsuit.

00:29:13.42
Adz
No, it's not. You see, once Panini buy, sorry, Tops buy Panini, it won't matter.

00:29:19.52
Russell Gibson
The lawsuit will go away. Yeah, maybe.

00:29:21.03
Adz
yeah exactly.

00:29:23.42
Russell Gibson
Look, I like those.

00:29:23.63
Adz
I don't know, I think they're cool.

00:29:25.57
Russell Gibson
um Look, I think they're fine, but I think they're just too close to what we had. um But also the pricing at it for me is like a bit of a funny one because...

00:29:34.45
Adz
Mm-mm.

00:29:35.22
Russell Gibson
Like, yes, Netmarvels did sell for maybe about the same price, but I feel like the last couple of releases, they've come right down. So for me, this is a little bit interesting that they are so high. So the example we've got here is Jeremiah Fierce for $61 USD.

00:29:51.98
Adz
Mm.

00:29:52.77
Russell Gibson
It is a true case hit.

00:29:59.00
Russell Gibson
Pack odds at one in $61.

00:30:01.15
Adz
does It doesn't look like it's going to grade well.

00:30:04.98
Russell Gibson
930, but still, you know. All right.

00:30:07.29
Adz
Yeah.

00:30:08.13
Russell Gibson
So now we're getting to the next tier down again and I'm starting to like scrape the bottom of the barrel here.

00:30:13.73
Adz
I was going to say, given given you the the term for the... um

00:30:19.39
Adz
Given you've still got the the the term for the... What was it called? the The home court is the downtown ripoff. I feel like the decline into negativity is on its way.

00:30:31.31
Adz
I don't know.

00:30:31.74
Russell Gibson
No, but I'm putting in cards that I like. You know, like I generally, I do like the aesthetics of these cards, but i you know, I have to comment like both sides of the coin.

00:30:34.31
Adz
Are

00:30:39.19
Russell Gibson
That's what I'm trying to do here. All right. So the Sonic Boom is a true case hit.

00:30:44.71
Adz
they just failing on Kabooms?

00:30:47.19
Russell Gibson
What?

00:30:49.52
Russell Gibson
Oh, I don't think there's, I don't, for me, this is, doesn't remind me of a Kaboom at all.

00:30:55.28
Adz
I just saw the word boom and...

00:30:56.59
Russell Gibson
Oh yeah. No, I, I think that's just a coincidence.

00:31:01.58
Adz
They really missed an opportunity put KD in his old Sonics uniform for the Sonic boom. Anyway.

00:31:05.86
Russell Gibson
I could have. Yeah.

00:31:07.54
Adz
Just saying.

00:31:09.94
Russell Gibson
ah Again, pack odds.

00:31:10.61
Adz
I don't like it. I just don't like it. I don't look at the card yet.

00:31:13.72
Russell Gibson
Blaster, one in 930 packs and Megas, one in 2,319 packs.

00:31:13.90
Adz
All right.

00:31:20.07
Russell Gibson
So these are really tough hits.

00:31:22.21
Adz
Okay. Okay.

00:31:22.86
Russell Gibson
So the KD one, which is the example that we've got here, that's sold for just $33. So I'm going to flip this around at this price point.

00:31:27.34
Adz
Okay.

00:31:30.54
Adz
Ooh.

00:31:32.24
Russell Gibson
Like for a case here, I actually don't mind dabbling into these just because of the genuine scarcity of of what they are.

00:31:39.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:31:40.13
Russell Gibson
Could the market turn around? I probably don't think so. That's the only thing about these cards. i I do like ultra, you know, rare and ultra rare cards, but I think the design on these is not strong enough to actually have sort of value moving forward.

00:31:54.25
Russell Gibson
And particularly as we start to move in,

00:31:54.49
Adz
Mm.

00:31:56.72
Russell Gibson
the next product and the next product and after that.

00:31:56.83
Adz
Mm.

00:31:58.68
Russell Gibson
So, you know, that's my probably that's my concern on that one.

00:31:59.40
Adz
Yeah. Yep.

00:32:02.24
Russell Gibson
All right. Now the debut patches, I've got down really low. So I put them down low because we technically haven't seen them yet. So this could spike to the top of the list. It could go to two, it could go to three. I'll acknowledge that, but where we're currently standing right now,

00:32:20.85
Russell Gibson
I was trying to do things that we had physically seen, but like I said, I was scraping the bottom of the barrel by this point, but I'm trying to stay positive ad to work with me here.

00:32:29.70
Adz
A debut patch. it's it's It's yet to really debut.

00:32:31.42
Russell Gibson
i think this concept, I think this concept is again, fantastic.

00:32:33.08
Adz
I think it's good.

00:32:36.04
Russell Gibson
And I really, I'm going to put these in the same thought bubble as the tops now stuff, where I think this is, you know, just wonderful. I can't wait to see it. I'm putting that in with with a slight asterisk.

00:32:47.98
Adz
well yeah we're we're we're we're We're declining, I guess.

00:32:51.11
Russell Gibson
All right, all right.

00:32:51.70
Adz
we're still Look, it's one release. we' We've got some stuff.

00:32:55.13
Russell Gibson
I'm trying. So these last two is tricky, but I don't mind these cards. Again, for a low budget, it's a fun card to look at. You know, you have a budget and you want to get something cool to look at. I would have a look at these.

00:33:09.60
Russell Gibson
This insert set is called Generation Now. It's a horizontal card, not a vertical card. So if you are an aficionado and you like horizontal cards, you should add this to your watch list.

00:33:21.14
Russell Gibson
Now, these are buy it now prices that I've found, and I'm not promoting anyone on eBay, but this is someone that I have found. $12 for the Cooper for the

00:33:38.59
Russell Gibson
four dollars fifty for the ace bailey

00:33:41.52
Adz
Okay.

00:33:42.73
Russell Gibson
$2.25 for the Colin Murray. So you know what i mean? Like you can get the big names out of these sets at very much on a budget.

00:33:49.97
Adz
Okay.

00:33:50.10
Russell Gibson
The artwork is good. The concept is cool. You know, I'm down with this.

00:33:55.27
Adz
It's fine.

00:33:56.19
Russell Gibson
Should we do the last one or should we just call it quits at nine?

00:33:57.81
Adz
well Well, no, we've we've we've said this is a top 10 and we are going to put a 10th one in.

00:34:03.88
Russell Gibson
We are committed to this top 10 cause, but I'm beginning to regret making it a top 10 list.

00:34:05.43
Adz
wait We are, but...

00:34:08.80
Russell Gibson
I'm not going to lie to you.

00:34:08.84
Adz
Look, look, look, we're going to use the 10th one that you've put forward as a placeholder.

00:34:09.81
Russell Gibson
I'd,

00:34:14.19
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:15.43
Adz
And and I think and um ah listeners our listeners need to give us some feedback, whether it be in YouTube, in the comments section of YouTube.

00:34:16.51
Russell Gibson
This is an absolute placeholder. Yeah.

00:34:22.16
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:34:24.22
Adz
If it's sending us a message, please, yep, just just let us know what you think would sneak in to the to the top 10.

00:34:24.22
Russell Gibson
Yep. On Insta.

00:34:29.68
Russell Gibson
Yep. Tweet us.

00:34:33.03
Russell Gibson
Mm-hmm.

00:34:34.07
Adz
All right, what's taking out and rounding out the the top 10?

00:34:34.47
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:34:38.59
Russell Gibson
I've got here the no limit insert.

00:34:39.05
Adz
for now.

00:34:40.98
Russell Gibson
Again, low budget card here. We're talking two bucks a card, a dollar a card. I don't mind the artwork. I don't mind the hollow design on it.

00:34:52.23
Russell Gibson
It's clean. It's fun.

00:34:55.40
Adz
It's shiny.

00:34:55.55
Russell Gibson
It's sparkly.

00:34:56.92
Adz
Yeah.

00:34:57.56
Russell Gibson
um

00:34:57.66
Adz
ah

00:34:57.96
Russell Gibson
I'm totally fine with this. And at this price point, again, i think it is important actually to have some cards that are accessible to everybody. And so we've ticked that off, I think, multiple times tonight.

00:35:09.73
Russell Gibson
So that's my top 10 list.

00:35:10.82
Adz
Yeah.

00:35:12.03
Russell Gibson
Any feedback ad that you wanted to round out with?

00:35:14.15
Adz
Look, i i think I think it's a really good top 10 list. I think the jury's out on on some of those. i

00:35:21.49
Russell Gibson
Very much so. Very much. Yeah.

00:35:23.53
Adz
I do like the top end. um'm I'm definitely with you on the 8-Bit Ballers. The Home Court, won't go on to what they but you titled them as, um but the Home Court, the ones that look like the downtowns, I think ah think the jury's out for me on it, and I do think there may be a future for them if they if they head down the same path as the as the downtowns did.

00:35:42.48
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:35:49.26
Adz
But if they stay in this flagship product, maybe not. We'll see what happens. and And to me, it really depends on what the other releases look like and what the print runs and things do look like.

00:35:53.91
Russell Gibson
Well, that's the, yeah.

00:36:00.59
Russell Gibson
And that's also why I am a bit worried about the pricing because like traditionally downtowns did come out of not high end, but higher end than downtowns.

00:36:07.92
Adz
Mid. Mid. It was that mid-tier, yeah.

00:36:11.75
Russell Gibson
then something that we would consider to be hoops or Donruss. think that's the other thing where I'm actually just wondering if collectors are almost getting it confused by association in the two cards because of how much sort of, you know, derivative artwork that is there.

00:36:23.09
Adz
Great. Mm-mm. 100%. It's a visual.

00:36:27.31
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:36:27.38
Adz
It is the visual, ah but it's a good starting point. For my view, I think Topps have hit the ground running. For their first release, And even if you combine Don, Russ and Hoops, I think like for like, I think there's a lot of positives to come out of the product release.

00:36:43.27
Adz
So yeah, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good lot. I'm curious to know what the listeners think about ah what could slot in there with the, that 10th spot.

00:36:51.79
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:36:54.13
Adz
But yeah, I think it's a, a good little top 10 list. Well done, Russell. Very, very positive.

00:36:59.19
Russell Gibson
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00:37:10.95
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00:37:53.23
Adz
I'm good, I'm good. We're halfway halfway down. We've got we've got some, so still got plenty to cover.

00:37:59.23
Russell Gibson
Yeah. All right. This next card, for me, this is wild. Like, just wild. Tracy McGrady, 1997, Metal Universe, Precious Metal Gem, numbered to 10.

00:38:13.92
Russell Gibson
So, genuinely scarce.

00:38:15.91
Adz
Very.

00:38:16.19
Russell Gibson
However, PSA 6 sold for $108,719 on alt on the 6th of November.

00:38:19.03
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:38:26.71
Russell Gibson
So the reason why i find this so intriguing is T-Mac was a good player, but I wouldn't

00:38:37.40
Russell Gibson
call him top 50, top 75. Like he was just a good scorer, you know, left his impact on the game, you know,

00:38:43.43
Adz
Sure, yeah, 100%, 100%. No. hundred percent

00:38:45.98
Russell Gibson
But to spend 100k on a card, I think that really is more about how special the card is than the player who's on the card. And again, the card is PSA 6, so we're not even talking about a mint card here.

00:39:00.32
Adz
no

00:39:03.56
Russell Gibson
I think you know where I'm going to try and like push this conversation down towards is the direct comparison of Kabooms, which I am further cementing in my mind um as the basically the modern PMG.

00:39:17.77
Russell Gibson
i think that one thing that Pinini did make easier for my argument is now they've made a Kaboom number to 10 and they made a Kaboom one of one. So what I would like to do with you, yeah.

00:39:27.71
Adz
100%. Yeah. Oh, yeah

00:39:30.30
Russell Gibson
So what I want to do with you is go through some Kabooms. that are numbered to 10 and see if we can just sort of flesh this conversation out a little bit further because,

00:39:38.92
Adz
oh

00:39:44.86
Russell Gibson
yeah, I just think that, like, I don't know how, I mean, I should ask you the question, how do you feel about that sale? Because for me, that's just like made my head like quite painful, to be honest.

00:39:56.17
Adz
I think there's a level of relativity there. um

00:39:58.56
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:40:00.67
Adz
I do think PMGs are a little more rare than Kabooms,

00:40:07.06
Russell Gibson
Definitely. Yep.

00:40:09.30
Adz
but conceptually the number to 10 side of things, because the general Kaboom, there's no print run, right? The silver Kabooms are just Kabooms.

00:40:23.63
Adz
You don't know how many,

00:40:23.79
Russell Gibson
Correct.

00:40:24.60
Adz
how many there are. We know it's a it's a limited hit, um but when something's numbered to 10, we know there are only 10 of it.

00:40:27.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:32.65
Russell Gibson
Yeah, sure.

00:40:33.08
Adz
so So I think there's a level of relativity there. ah There's a scarcity about the the the PMGs that I don't think the Kabooms share because we're in that modern age of collecting.

00:40:47.19
Adz
But I think the parallel between the long-term gain is there. Is that me answering the question without me answering the question?

00:40:53.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:40:56.51
Russell Gibson
No, I think that's like, that's totally fine. I don't have a problem with it.

00:40:59.45
Adz
Yeah.

00:41:00.02
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:41:00.45
Adz
Yeah. Because I think we're in a, in a world where people look after their cards a little bit better, no offense to the nineties and early two thousands, but the technology's got there more, more cards are graded, more cards are treated as investments in the, in in this day and age.

00:41:06.92
Russell Gibson
Hmm.

00:41:18.62
Adz
We've, we've definitely moved into to that kind of market. So, the chance of there being more availability for high quality caboons is more than the, the, the, the PMG argument, which is they're incredibly hard to find in great condition.

00:41:38.03
Russell Gibson
Yep.

00:41:39.52
Adz
So.

00:41:41.33
Russell Gibson
I'm just going to pause the recording.

00:41:43.20
Adz
Hmm.

00:41:48.33
Russell Gibson
all Alrighty. So we found a couple of cards that we can chew over and comp. We'll do the Wemby one last because I think that's a little bit of a unicorn in some sense.

00:41:56.96
Adz
That's an interesting, well, there's a few there that I've got. ah All right. So which one do you want to begin with?

00:42:00.55
Russell Gibson
So Cam Whitmore, I'll just run off a few and then we'll sort of just chew through it. Cam Whitmore, four out of 10.

00:42:06.61
Adz
Yep. Yep.

00:42:07.37
Russell Gibson
ah Gold rookie card, sold for $3,500. Anthony Black, one out of 10, sold for $1,500. Both of these are raw.

00:42:17.31
Adz
hu

00:42:17.42
Russell Gibson
Charles Barkley in a Phoenix uniform, one out of 10, sold for $2,300.

00:42:23.23
Adz
yep

00:42:23.94
Russell Gibson
And then we've got Jabari Smith Jr., three out of 10. That's his rookie card. That sold for $4,000.

00:42:31.73
Adz
Okay.

00:42:32.89
Russell Gibson
And then we've got the big one, which I'm pretty sure is the same one you've just found, the BGS 9.5 Wemby. That sold for $176,000. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:39.34
Adz
Oh, yeah. No, I just had the Jason Tatum PSA 9 2018 rookie card, $39,000. twenty eighteen rookie card thirty nine thousand

00:42:46.70
Russell Gibson
yeah yeah

00:42:48.01
Adz
Um, then I've got the Wemby, which you've just referred to. I'm just going through the Instagram page of card ladder. Um, 176,900 for the Wemby BGS 9.5.

00:42:59.54
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:43:02.02
Adz
That was on the 1st of November. So that's not long ago. We talked about that card the other week. The one I was going to actually look at, and this is even bigger than that, is the 2018, uh, LeBron James that sold for 353,800. ah lebron james that sold for three hundred and fifty three thousand eight hundred

00:43:19.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I just feel like like for me, the Wemby and the LeBron, that's a separate tiered conversation again.

00:43:28.07
Adz
hu

00:43:28.30
Russell Gibson
whereas Whereas the T-Mac, well, I was going to say, I feel like for me, the T-Mac is much closer to, say, Charles Barkley or the rookie Jabari Smith or the rookie Anthony Black.

00:43:28.80
Adz
Oh, this is, yeah, we're not talking, neither of those are TMAC.

00:43:39.27
Adz
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

00:43:41.99
Russell Gibson
And to a less of a degree, but the Cam Whitmore. But I think...

00:43:45.82
Adz
Yeah, the Whitmore, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

00:43:47.22
Russell Gibson
I mean, this is a super like long, long, long-term prediction, but I just feel like looking at that T-Max sale and then looking at these, like the Anthony Black at 1,500, the Charles the Jabari Smith at four,

00:44:02.96
Adz
Yeah, but i still think yeah I still think there's relativity, but I i take your meaning.

00:44:03.66
Russell Gibson
and the jabari smith at four

00:44:09.43
Adz
Especially, well, i'll I'll use the other example. No, no, for sure.

00:44:11.59
Russell Gibson
No, so if I'm wrong on this, tell me why. Because I feel like i'm I'm going down a rabbit hole at this point and I'm in an echo chamber, honestly.

00:44:18.35
Adz
i feel like there's, even though they're numbered to 10, which is the same quantity, the broader the broader community of cards, there are more.

00:44:18.94
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:22.12
Russell Gibson
Yeah. ye

00:44:27.80
Russell Gibson
There's so many more cards today, for sure. Yeah.

00:44:30.15
Adz
um And they release more often. So there's a bigger range, a bigger set of kabooms.

00:44:33.14
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:36.20
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:44:36.39
Adz
Klay Thompson, one of one, PSA 10, 110,000. hundred and ten thousand

00:44:39.90
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:44:41.18
Adz
Right? that That kind of one of one is the green one of one probably comps better to the green PMG.

00:44:49.56
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Right. Okay.

00:44:50.71
Adz
Klay Thompson being the example, I'd put Klay and T-Mac in a similar boat.

00:44:56.13
Russell Gibson
Sure.

00:44:56.93
Adz
As far as status goes, Klay's a great shooter.

00:45:00.99
Russell Gibson
Yeah. So you think the better combo is actually the modern day one of one.

00:45:03.45
Adz
The one of one. Yeah.

00:45:05.27
Russell Gibson
Kaboom. Yeah.

00:45:07.58
Adz
due to Just due to card availability and knowing how many, like with pop counts and stuff, maybe.

00:45:12.45
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:14.73
Adz
I could be wrong, but I think there is a level of relativity.

00:45:15.71
Russell Gibson
No, no, no. That's yeah.

00:45:17.08
Adz
Yeah.

00:45:19.21
Russell Gibson
No, that's a really cool. I think we should end it there, to be honest. Like, I feel like we've fleshed that out.

00:45:24.00
Adz
Oh, look, we could go we could go so far down the rabbit hole.

00:45:26.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:45:27.05
Adz
And funnily enough, let's make a bookmark on episode 1250.

00:45:32.67
Adz
When like in ah in another like 15 years or something, we go

00:45:36.81
Russell Gibson
I feel like you've just pledged to come back for another thousand episodes, Ed.

00:45:39.78
Adz
something like that.

00:45:40.58
Russell Gibson
I'm going to hold you to that, by the way, like the next time we're, you know.

00:45:40.72
Adz
right

00:45:44.40
Adz
It sounds like a Crusty the Clown special. I'm like, right.

00:45:49.44
Adz
bringing it back to new hosts coming. So by the way, Adam and Adam and Russell are coming back for this one show to talk about PMGs and Kabooms.

00:45:51.53
Russell Gibson
The next time we're beefing, you know?

00:46:02.54
Adz
Oh goodness.

00:46:03.73
Russell Gibson
um Let's do one more thing really quickly and then we'll go to our next break because as usual, we're run over.

00:46:06.21
Adz
come

00:46:09.58
Adz
Of course.

00:46:10.22
Russell Gibson
We need to talk about Cade Cunningham very, very quickly. Cade has been hot. I'm not going to bore you with stats, but he has been playing well. The Pistons are on a great run at the moment.

00:46:22.03
Russell Gibson
I think if you're a Pistons fan, you're very happy about this program that they've built and are continuing to build. Adam, you do have a stat for me, though, that I i know you're keen to get out about how many misses he had the other night.

00:46:34.72
Adz
Yeah, he his field goal.

00:46:35.84
Russell Gibson
Just say it.

00:46:37.34
Adz
He was playing Kobe-esque and not in a good way. um Yeah, he did drop, what was it, 40-odd points, but he also had like missed 30 shots. It was not good. like he put His volume shooting was very Kobe-esque. The last person to do that, yes, was Kobe Bryant.

00:46:53.90
Russell Gibson
Look, the only thing I would push back on that is... he is the best player on that team.

00:46:59.45
Adz
Unrelentingly the best player, for sure.

00:47:01.17
Russell Gibson
And sometimes even if you're having a best night, a bad night, you can still be the best person to shoot the ball.

00:47:08.22
Adz
Oh,

00:47:08.32
Russell Gibson
The other thing about too is Kate is like, he, I actually feel like he's a genuine point guard who sometimes is a reluctant shooter and probably should shoot more. So the fact that he has a high output night one night and doesn't come good.

00:47:17.47
Adz
no,

00:47:21.00
Russell Gibson
Like,

00:47:22.48
Adz
I was just, I'm just talking.

00:47:23.40
Russell Gibson
You can live and die with that, honestly.

00:47:24.41
Adz
100%, 100%.

00:47:25.39
Russell Gibson
you know So that ah that's the only thing I'll say on that.

00:47:26.17
Adz
Yep. hundred

00:47:27.99
Russell Gibson
All right. We need to talk about his pricing because his pricing is spiked. He's currently trading at $592 USD. The last six months, he's up 36%.

00:47:37.79
Adz
yep

00:47:38.04
Russell Gibson
Once you get closer in it, it goes down a lot more. The last three months, he's up 18%. And the last month, he's up just 6%. But that is still a very steep rise.

00:47:49.09
Russell Gibson
I personally think we haven't seen the end of this rise because-

00:47:53.16
Adz
The pop count's sub 500. I like this.

00:47:55.86
Russell Gibson
it's It's that, but it's also to add, i think that there's some real optimism around this Piston team in that this year is not going to be the peak. It could be the year after, or it could be, you know what i mean?

00:48:07.43
Russell Gibson
It could even be the year after that.

00:48:08.84
Adz
but Thunder of the East.

00:48:10.42
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:48:11.99
Adz
And everyone thought it was Cleveland.

00:48:12.04
Russell Gibson
So I think, mean, Cleveland's fun, man.

00:48:13.35
Adz
ah

00:48:15.85
Russell Gibson
They're good, but yeah.

00:48:16.90
Adz
I like, I think these young Pistons are looking good.

00:48:21.95
Russell Gibson
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00:48:35.75
Russell Gibson
There you'll find a whole bunch of stuff, collectible protection, singles, hobby boxes, sports memorabilia. But as you know, Ross has been working diligently on his com CA, which is a card consignment service.

00:48:47.75
Russell Gibson
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00:48:55.12
Adz
It is.

00:48:55.26
Russell Gibson
If you want to get your cards listed for free, which the listing price has increased from $0.06 a card up to $0.10 a card. So now if you're you are a You Can't Comp this listener, you are saving $0.10 per card on the listing fee.

00:49:11.01
Russell Gibson
For comps on that though, if you list with Com C America, it's $0.50 American per card. So Ross is hyper competitive in this space and will look after your card selling needs for you.

00:49:20.00
Adz
but is

00:49:23.29
Russell Gibson
ussportscardsaustralia.com.au. Thank you so much.

00:49:33.36
Russell Gibson
And we are back.

00:49:34.81
Adz
We're back.

00:49:37.55
Russell Gibson
Right, we're going to talk Caitlin Clark, we're going to talk downtowns, and we're going to talk WNBA Panini, Don Russ. I finally got my hands on some of this and we broke it.

00:49:51.01
Russell Gibson
I would say that our box was middling at best. Despite that, it was very well received within the group. And I think there was three reasons for this. There's three hits in it per box. so you get

00:50:05.98
Russell Gibson
The wording they use, I'm just trying to remember how they say it's either three autographs or memorabilia ah per box. So, you know, you don't know exactly the combination you'll get.

00:50:12.99
Adz
Yeah, it's a mixed match. Yeah, it could be.

00:50:15.30
Russell Gibson
you'll get three hits. It could be an RPA. It could just be a patch, you know, whatever. um but really what you're actually chasing in this product is the downtown. That is the big pool card.

00:50:26.94
Russell Gibson
And I think if you're looking for that ultra modern NBA example to that, it's the all Kings card.

00:50:27.02
Adz
Yeah.

00:50:33.02
Russell Gibson
So it's very heavy in base, these Donruss boxes, but you are chasing that ultra rare downtown card on that.

00:50:39.61
Adz
Mm.

00:50:40.86
Russell Gibson
So, Look, I think it is a fun product. I think the current problem is it's completely sold out ah of almost all retailers. And so we're at this really funny point with WNBA in that I think being generous to it, it's what you're paying for it and what you're getting back is completely mismatched. You're overpaying for the boxes.

00:51:04.67
Russell Gibson
But the problem is there's so much hype around Caitlin Clark and then Paige Bukas is the current rookie who's, you know, as hyped, maybe not as hyped, but let's call it 80% of what Caitlin Clark is.

00:51:05.79
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:15.76
Russell Gibson
So there's a lot of anticipation for this kid. Yeah.

00:51:18.77
Adz
Yeah, true.

00:51:18.79
Russell Gibson
Plus they're putting in these like ultra collectible downtowns into the mix and we're still riding this sort of Caitlin Clark wave. um We're still in this situation where you can't buy old WNBA, like it's just basically unavailable.

00:51:32.38
Russell Gibson
So what's happening is the existing stock that's now currently available is is basically doubled what it was originally listed and you know and sold for. So...

00:51:40.57
Adz
Yeah.

00:51:41.57
Russell Gibson
I think that's sort of my my closing note on this product is that, you know, just be, I think just be judicious around it and, you know, maybe go into one or two breaks and then just kind of, you know what i mean? Like, because I think what you're paying for it and what you're getting back is it's a little bit of a tricky thing, but I actually, again, I want to follow up this conversation with you at, because it's a really weird space that WNBA is currently in because previously we just didn't have this pressure

00:52:09.18
Adz
Yeah, it's i do I do think this market spike for WNBA is problematic. Like I don't think the the selling out and increase in pricing is actually helping it in the long term.

00:52:28.40
Adz
Like I think people's, and I say people, it's the wondershines of the world trying to monopolize Caitlin Clark and investing in Caitlin Clark are stopping grassroots collecting in the WNBA space.

00:52:47.79
Adz
That's my take on it.

00:52:49.13
Russell Gibson
Yeah. I do wonder now that Penny and they have lost their NBA licenses, will they now put more of their attention onto WNBA and will they have more resources to allocate?

00:53:01.94
Russell Gibson
So so what I mean by resources specifically is printing presses. So they're not printing 50 billion NBA cards now.

00:53:06.59
Adz
Yeah, yeah,

00:53:09.73
Russell Gibson
So now can they,

00:53:11.35
Adz
They'll be doing their Luca Duntage print run and their...

00:53:13.73
Russell Gibson
well, yeah, can they, or can they double the print run of WNBA? Yeah.

00:53:17.26
Adz
Yeah.

00:53:19.67
Russell Gibson
Like, like the demand is there, like it's completely sold out.

00:53:24.35
Adz
And I think they need to, for better use of the term, jump wax it and and flood the market so people can access it.

00:53:31.08
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:53:32.57
Adz
I don't know what the solution is, but but I feel like if...

00:53:34.36
Russell Gibson
No, I don't know either.

00:53:37.70
Adz
there's too much, I need to buy all of this to get Caitlin, then it collapses. Whereas if people just buy it to experience it, it's it's such an interesting space they're in.

00:53:49.08
Russell Gibson
really weird. i actually feel like they've printed as much as they could and be just like, oh, let's just see how this goes. And still it's all sold out. I mean? Like it's, it's a really weird experiment that done. Anyway.

00:54:00.18
Russell Gibson
ye Yeah.

00:54:00.49
Adz
Yeah. and and like i i don't have a solution, which I did. But yeah, let's hope Panini can sort it out.

00:54:05.28
Russell Gibson
I mean, we'd be,

00:54:09.57
Russell Gibson
All right, this next one is actually from Sports Cards Addicts Australia. And what i what I normally try to do is at least reach out to the person who makes the post. But this one was done by an anonymous member.

00:54:21.07
Adz
ah was going to say, what a strange name, anonymous member.

00:54:23.78
Russell Gibson
but i mean, though the funny one I saw this week on Scammers was the guy was McLovin who was running the scam. Who's sending McLovin money?

00:54:31.40
Adz
gracious. good goodness gracious

00:54:35.28
Russell Gibson
All right. Anyway, back to this Kaboom manga color blast. Are they really worth more than autos SSP cards versus autographs, which holds more value? Why do people spend more money on SS on short print cards that aren't directly associated with players like Kaboom color blast or manga than on actual autograph cards?

00:54:54.68
Russell Gibson
Would you rather spend money on short print cards or autograph cards of your favorite player? Adam, how would you answer this question?

00:55:03.67
Adz
I'd tell them to go back previously to our little discussion about PMGs.

00:55:07.95
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:55:08.78
Adz
Honestly, ah it's the it's the scarcity.

00:55:09.95
Russell Gibson
We've just answered it. Yeah.

00:55:12.76
Adz
Like, they're short prints. Like, I get it. Autographs are autographs. But then you go into the debate of on-card versus sticker. and Like, we understand. Like,

00:55:27.76
Adz
And I think it's it might be generational as well because the autograph was such a cool thing. And we've had these these scandals, I guess, about the the authenticity of autographs.

00:55:39.14
Adz
The game-worn stuff has gone through its cycle of they've cut out jerseys or the the jersey wasn't even worn or it was worn in practice. Like there's all this hype.

00:55:48.81
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:55:49.85
Adz
But a really short printed card that looks good and is marketed correctly seems to hold value.

00:56:01.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah, it's a tough one.

00:56:02.18
Adz
FOMO, my friends. FOMO.

00:56:04.43
Russell Gibson
It's a really, really tough one.

00:56:04.91
Adz
Short print. It's short print. It's it's designed with scarcity in mind.

00:56:11.54
Russell Gibson
Correct.

00:56:12.94
Adz
and It's marketed with scarcity in mind.

00:56:16.25
Russell Gibson
Written on the box.

00:56:17.53
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:56:18.69
Russell Gibson
Chase the ultra red downtown case here.

00:56:21.64
Adz
Mm-hmm. One per box autographs, but yeah.

00:56:23.60
Russell Gibson
Look, so I think that's at the end of the day, you've got the correct answer. I just want to add this into the conversation because when I think about my own collection, I've got way more autographs in there than I've got case hits.

00:56:30.34
Adz
Go for it. Yeah, yeah.

00:56:36.82
Adz
Interesting.

00:56:37.35
Russell Gibson
And so I think what I'm trying to like say here is like, well, what, what is it do I actually want to collect? Like, what is it that I enjoy? so I think that also really comes back to it too. Cause I, I think the reason why I have more autographs in my collection is because I enjoy collecting that particular athlete's autograph.

00:56:55.35
Russell Gibson
Like, you know, I want to get one of them, but it also does come down to pricing too, because I was actually thinking about this like directly with Darren Fox.

00:56:57.02
Adz
Yeah, yep, yep.

00:57:04.82
Russell Gibson
um I was bidding on a blank slate this week and I should have put my big boy pants on and just put a few more bucks on it, but I sort of put my maximum bid in and I got outbid.

00:57:04.83
Adz
Interesting, yeah.

00:57:13.94
Russell Gibson
Anyway, it was a PSA 10 blank slate. It sold for $350 USD, which is not outrageous, by the way. So, it's not that like you know it was stupidly overpriced or you know anything like that.

00:57:25.94
Russell Gibson
I just wasn't in the mood for bidding more than that.

00:57:29.01
Adz
Yeah.

00:57:29.73
Russell Gibson
But I can pick up a really nice Fox autograph for probably $100, $150 max to get nice one. think that also does come into play of it. so i think that also does come into play of it

00:57:40.77
Adz
Yeah, that's true.

00:57:40.91
Russell Gibson
But then I'm sort of now I'm also thinking about the logic of that too. Like, would I rather five autographs or one really nice case hit? Maybe I'd rather just the five autographs. So I think it also comes down to collector preference a little bit too.

00:57:53.08
Adz
Personal taste. Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:54.37
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:57:54.91
Adz
Personal collection preference. Like there is a, there's a different, uh, people collect things for different reasons and collect like those, those cards, those case hits come in sets like the PMGs.

00:57:56.36
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:05.71
Adz
Like it's doesn't matter. They're so rare that even Tracy McGrady goes for a hundred thousand dollars, right?

00:58:08.40
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:58:11.45
Adz
Like,

00:58:11.87
Russell Gibson
Yeah. Yeah. um So the most liked answer on this post was actually from our sponsor, Rod Adams at Neon Trading Cards.

00:58:22.73
Russell Gibson
So I think we should read this one.

00:58:23.11
Adz
Mm-hmm. Yep.

00:58:24.71
Russell Gibson
People often confuse scarcity with desirability. They're not mutually exclusive. Toyota build 100,000 Land Cruisers a year. Nissan build 30,000 patrols.

00:58:35.38
Russell Gibson
You want to know which one is more expensive and harder to get. So I'm just going to pause his answer for a second here.

00:58:39.90
Adz
Mm-hmm.

00:58:42.06
Russell Gibson
I know nothing about cars and it's possible our listeners from around the world will be in the same position that old Rusty was in. So the answer to that question is,

00:58:54.86
Russell Gibson
The more expensive car is the Toyota, despite them making more of them. There's more of them, but they're more expensive.

00:59:02.10
Adz
They're also in high demand.

00:59:04.32
Russell Gibson
Correct.

00:59:05.37
Adz
Yeah.

00:59:05.40
Russell Gibson
So to reread that, you want to know which one is more expensive and harder to get. Well, it's the Toyota.

00:59:10.73
Adz
Of course.

00:59:10.93
Russell Gibson
You're also comparing the top 1% of short prints with all autographs. Compare a kaboom with the top 1% of players' autos, and it probably makes more sense.

00:59:22.63
Russell Gibson
For example... A kaboom versus a true NT or flawless RPA. And actually, silly Rod, I have to doff my cap to somebody when they've said something as clever as this.

00:59:37.49
Adz
no

00:59:39.42
Russell Gibson
It's a fantastic answer. Well done, sir.

00:59:41.11
Adz
I like it how he's he's gone to the fruit shop and he's grabbed the apples and he's tried to compare the apples with the apples rather than, yes, comparing apples to something completely different.

00:59:52.19
Adz
Yes.

00:59:52.44
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

00:59:53.74
Adz
Yes, 100% yes. one hundred percent yes

00:59:56.81
Russell Gibson
yeah

00:59:59.76
Russell Gibson
Anyway.

01:00:01.62
Adz
Well, wait a second. Wait a second. I've got your comp for you. Let's talk about a really scarce one-of-one Kobe Jordan auto that sold for $12 million.

01:00:04.90
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:10.53
Adz
dollars

01:00:11.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:00:14.47
Adz
Anyway.

01:00:16.59
Russell Gibson
I think Rod's answer was pretty good.

01:00:19.44
Adz
It was there. It was spot on.

01:00:23.80
Russell Gibson
All right. We've done Cade Cunningham. Let's go down to Jordan to finish.

01:00:30.57
Adz
Are we that far through? That's

01:00:33.86
Russell Gibson
We just ticked over an hour. So

01:00:36.66
Adz
fair. We've got a Jordan to finish. I like it. It's

01:00:42.85
Russell Gibson
we do.

01:00:44.24
Adz
good. Been a while since been with Jordan. We have LeBron, we have Kobe.

01:00:45.97
Russell Gibson
It has.

01:00:48.65
Adz
That's a nice one.

01:00:48.71
Russell Gibson
This is from at fanatics collect. It's just a one-line caption.

01:00:52.11
Adz
Mm-hmm.

01:00:53.58
Russell Gibson
This Michael Jordan card is insane. For listeners at home that can't see this, it is a horizontal upper deck card. And it's if you remember that logo they had on their 50th anniversary jackets, and my recollection was they were like white jackets that had this logo on it.

01:01:16.47
Russell Gibson
That might have been the year the Bulls went to the finals and they wore those like super hot white warm-up jackets with that big red bull on the back.

01:01:23.77
Adz
a

01:01:25.56
Russell Gibson
yeah So it's got that logo on it. The card has been die cut so that Jerry West's foot is cut around and it just, the logo fits in there perfectly.

01:01:32.81
Adz
It's insane, as the caption says. Yep.

01:01:35.98
Russell Gibson
And it's got this, got this, yeah, correct.

01:01:36.09
Adz
and the hit And the head, yep.

01:01:39.27
Russell Gibson
And it's got this beautiful Jordan gold penned autograph on it.

01:01:39.45
Adz
Number 10.

01:01:44.50
Russell Gibson
with his classic picture of him driving to the basket and sort of just like floating through the air. Number to 10. I agree with the one line statement of this card. This card is insane.

01:01:58.37
Russell Gibson
It's not our typical $100 insert card, is it, that we would be talking about?

01:01:59.56
Adz
Yeah.

01:02:02.92
Adz
No, no, but but this is, this is, this is, it's insane. And it's not graded. That just like, it's not encased. It's not, it's not in anything.

01:02:14.81
Adz
and scares me. There's no, there's no protecting it. There's no slab on it. There's just, just somebody protect that card.

01:02:23.63
Adz
Please.

01:02:26.02
Russell Gibson
What do you think this card's worth, then?

01:02:28.97
Adz
It's worth protecting. That's what it is. It's out of a sleeve. It's exposed to the elements.

01:02:35.05
Russell Gibson
Probably should go into a GTI OneTouch, shouldn't it?

01:02:37.71
Adz
Oh, that could go in one of those lovely GTI One Touch with the inner sleeve.

01:02:40.51
Russell Gibson
Yeah, that's it.

01:02:42.55
Adz
um It's numbered to 10. So, I don't

01:02:47.23
Russell Gibson
think for me, this is like Wondershine material, honestly.

01:02:50.16
Adz
know. It is one of those. itll It comes with a seven-figure price tag, I think.

01:02:54.47
Russell Gibson
Although it does have a bit of corner damage on that right bottom corner, doesn't it?

01:02:59.64
Adz
50th anniversary is pretty unique.

01:03:01.70
Russell Gibson
It's probably why it's not graded, eh?

01:03:03.60
Adz
Unique patch, maybe.

01:03:03.83
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:03:05.13
Adz
Could be authenticated. Get it in a slab, damn it. um

01:03:10.77
Adz
Authentic auto 10 would be fine. It's good-looking auto. It's clean.

01:03:16.50
Russell Gibson
I reckon 250 just because of the, it's very, I'm terrible at, okay.

01:03:21.14
Adz
Million-dollar card.

01:03:23.52
Russell Gibson
We're quite far off. Why don't we put this to the listeners? Listeners, where where do you value this card out? Because Adam and $750,000 apart at this point.

01:03:31.74
Adz
where Yeah, it's it's more than six degrees of separation there. That's a lot of zeros between where we're thinking. I think it's a million dollar card. Russell thinks it's 250,000. What do you guys think?

01:03:44.00
Russell Gibson
yeah

01:03:44.60
Adz
um Yeah.

01:03:47.31
Russell Gibson
Thank you, Adam.

01:03:48.66
Adz
Thanks for another great show. we We've got to start planning what we're going to do for this 250th.

01:03:54.17
Russell Gibson
Probably should.

01:03:55.42
Adz
Party or something. I don't know.

01:03:57.02
Russell Gibson
Sure.

01:03:58.91
Adz
But yeah, thanks for another great show. Thanks to everybody that's been been checking us out on YouTube and subscribing. Thank you to our very loyal listeners and um Central Coast Radio.

01:04:10.71
Russell Gibson
Yeah.

01:04:11.88
Adz
bit of exposure there. bret And all of the usual podcast platforms from day one.

01:04:13.56
Russell Gibson
And

01:04:16.32
Russell Gibson
Yeah, I think we should probably shout out our friends in Canada because they have been tuning into us at a very high clip.

01:04:18.14
Adz
Yeah.

01:04:26.49
Adz
Checking out what all this is about.

01:04:28.78
Russell Gibson
we are We are grateful for everybody, but I think there are special times when you have to give people a you know shout out.

01:04:36.56
Adz
True. Thanks, Candela.

01:04:38.76
Russell Gibson
Actually, i I've got one last shout out.

01:04:41.26
Adz
Oh, there we go. Yep.

01:04:42.37
Russell Gibson
My daughter had her concert, her annual concert with the Australian girls choir today.

01:04:47.46
Adz
Yes.

01:04:50.10
Russell Gibson
It was fantastic.

01:04:53.47
Russell Gibson
And I'm just proud to be – I'm not associated with it anyway, but I am a parent of a child who participates.

01:04:57.90
Adz
Yeah. 100%.

01:04:59.42
Russell Gibson
You know, that's my that's my participation. That's where it starts and ends.

01:05:02.25
Adz
hundred percent

01:05:03.21
Russell Gibson
I pay the fees. I drop off, pick her up. So that's it.

01:05:04.86
Adz
yeah

01:05:05.08
Russell Gibson
Like, I'm not overstating what I do. But I was just proud to be associated with in some way.

01:05:07.08
Adz
That

01:05:09.56
Russell Gibson
And I was just proud of all the girls up on the stage. They were just amazing. And some of the girls who are now graduating, so like, some of them will actually go on to do it professionally. Like, they're just that –

01:05:19.99
Adz
that good

01:05:20.13
Russell Gibson
Fantastic. Yeah. And I just felt happy to be alive, like listening to these girls just to be in their like presence. You know, it was it was a beautiful um concert. so So girls, if for some godforsaken reason you are listening to this podcast or radio show, they won't be listening, but it's the the thought is there.

01:05:35.29
Adz
Why would they be listening to the podcast?

01:05:39.02
Russell Gibson
You know, congratulations. It was fantastic.

01:05:42.74
Adz
On that note, we'll see you all next week.

01:05:43.73
Russell Gibson
Yep.

01:05:46.25
Adz
Thanks, Russell.