Episode 267: LeBron Auto, Next Prospects & The WNBA Debate with @shionawoosha

This week we’re joined by @shionawoosha to break down some of the most talked-about topics in the hobby right now.

We start with a look at the new LeBron James autograph and what it means for the market — from demand to positioning and how collectors are reacting.

From there, we shift into Next Prospects To Pop, highlighting where attention is building and where the smart money may be heading next.

We also take a closer look at the Detroit Pistons, with a focus on Cade Cunningham and how his hobby outlook is evolving.

Finally, we dive into the WNBA conversation — specifically the growing discussion around non game-worn patches and how collectors are viewing authenticity and value in that space.

A sharp, focused episode covering key market conversations and where the hobby may be heading next.

Transcript

What's up everybody? Welcome to this week's show. This is the You can't comp this NBA trading card podcast. I am your

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host Russell Gibson. This is episode 267.

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This week we're going to talk about LeBron James and his new autograph. We are also going to be talking about the Detroit Pistons and them clinching the

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Eastern Conference, which I think is a really important piece as to what's going on in the NBA at the moment. We're also going to be talking about Victor

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Ambeen Yama because he is still absolutely popping off at the moment.

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And we're going to start a new segment which is basically built around the next prospects to be looking at who's going to crack that $1,000 USD mark. So SGA,

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Yokik, LeBron James, Luca, WBY or all in the plus $1,000 mark. Who is going to be

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getting to that elite level next? All righty. Without any further ado and any more mucking around, let's get down to

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it. I think the biggest story for me from a hobby perspective as of this week is LeBron James and his new autograph.

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It's not uncommon for autographs to change over the years and for athletes to change them. And to take that a step further, athletes will sometimes sign

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different autographs, even at the same period of time, and use different types of autographs. This isn't LeBron using one autograph for something and for something else. As far as I'm aware,

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he's changing all of his autographs to this new format. I don't mind this,

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frankly, at all because I think what it's going to do is for collectors, it brings in an entirely new autograph for them to collect. And also too, it sets

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apart two different eras for LeBron in terms of his signing. So, what you can see here on the left hand side is his,

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if you want to call it, his OG autograph here. And then his new autograph with the little king insignia just sitting

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very nicely on top of the autograph there. I personally I like this a lot. I think that it adds a bit of character to it. And I think one criticism that you

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can have for athletes, particularly when they're signing very large volumes, and we're going to go through an example of this in a minute, is that they're not taking the time, they're not taking the

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care to do it. I think the fact that he is adding something to his autograph and not taking something away from it is a really big part as to why people would

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collect something. And so, I'm all for this. I, you know, I think this is a a really nice addition to it. The only thing that I would like to see more of

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from LeBron is maybe some custom inscriptions that has been done onto his cards, but I think that's a separate conversation altogether. Let's just have

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a look through some of the Twitter comments here. We've got the collectibles guru giving it the three crowns. We got Josh Reynolds. His new one is way better, but I hate when

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players change, especially this late in the career. Now all his old signature stuff is less cool. Lame. I'm not too sure I would call it less cool, but I

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think it does definitely differentiate between the different ones. Does this mean the old signature is worth more? I think that in terms of value and a signature being worth more or less,

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that's more to do with population and scarcity and rarity of a card as opposed to generally. But what we do know about LeBron autographs in totality is he hasn't signed for such a very long time.

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So compared to other athletes, for example, Steph Curry and Luca, he has such significantly less autographs out there in the total population that

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they're worth more in that particular thing. Michael never had to call himself a king or a goat. Everyone else has already done that for him. Look, I think that's actually more of a an ego thing

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on LeBron, but at the same time, the hook at after off 35 must have hurt his wrist while flopping. That's definitely possible, but you know, maybe that would

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actually shorten his autograph, not lengthen it. All righty, moving on here.

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We've got another lovely example here of his king autograph going on to a lovely eight out of 10 tops chrome there.

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Absolutely lovely on that one there on card autograph. Now, this is what I did want to show you guys and what I was referencing this earlier before when

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athletes aren't taking the time and effort putting it into an autograph. And I I think that this is something for me that I get it. If you have to sign

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20,000 10,000 in a single sitting, you know, that's totally fine. You can smash them out like this. But for someone like LeBron that we know isn't signing the

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volume of this. We we don't know the exact numbers of one he's signing to,

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but his agreement isn't to do large volumes of autographs. It's to do small.

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So I think for him to take that little bit of extra time on the autographs that do go out there and I really think this actually adds to the total value of his

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cards. So again, like for me, this is just a really positive good news hobby story. I will say that. Moving on here,

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this is actually a followup. I was having a conversation offline with somebody about the last podcast. So, I

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think what I should do here is just try and add a little bit of clarity to that.

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And I also think too, just maybe a public apology too of you know what's been going on. I am in a massive adjustment period at the moment where

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I'm doing some live streams and videos and I'm using that as podcast content and maybe I need to do a bit better explanation and so this is a follow-up

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for that. I was referring to a WBY Don Russ PSA 10 on the last show. So shout out to Furf 12 on Instagram. So Furf,

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thank you so much man for calling me out in a very positive in a in a really good way. So this is the card that I was referring to. 2023 Don Russ Victor Weber

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animation card gem mint PSA 10 sold on alt for 10,300. Just to reiterate my

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point here. My point was that price point is insane. I love the card. I love the design, but I love that for 200 bucks, not 10,000. I I think that's

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really what I was getting to here. On the flip side of that, I get it. It's population two. BGS population on the nine is just one. You know, in terms of scarcity, that's totally fine. But also,

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I would say to where is that going to land long term? I've got a very hard time believing that's going to keep up on that. This is from Sack Collects on

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Twitter. Panini is such a croc. Pay $500 plus for this exclusive product with three cards. Pull awesome jersey relic

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of the top rookie which is Paige Bukers which I don't know what's the NBA comp.

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You could maybe say in terms of hype like LaMelo Ball an insane rookie coming through is probably going to be as big

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as Steph Curry. But I think at the moment that's the correct comp is LaMelo Ball in terms of rookie hobby hype. Pull an awesome relic of the top rookie

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Panini. Yeah, but this ain't her jersey or anybody's. We just grabbed a random jersey and cut it up and enjoy. So, I actually agree with this 100% and I've

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said this previously and I've said it on the breaks that we do. I love the WNBA product. I think the price point pre Caitlyn Clark has been so affordable.

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It's been absolutely fantastic. But a massive massive downfall of this product and also where I think they should be

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killing it is it should all be game used and game worn or at least you know event worn. I think for rookies, I'll let them

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off the hook for that. But for all the veterans, there is no reason like we're way past CO. I think the trigger for

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Panini to start using non-game one was CO and I either think that was an excuse or I think that was a reason. Either

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way, in my mind, that's when it all changed. But what I think we need to see, particularly now, Pini isn't doing the huge volumes that they previously

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were, we need to see them going back to game warn at the very minimum for the veterans. I would love personally to see it for the rookies. For me, it adds so

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much extra value and enjoyment into something when I'm collecting it. And they absolutely need to fix this. Peter Mato, your first mistake was buying

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women's cards. Man, I got to disagree with you about that wholeheartedly. You need to check out some Caitlyn Clark coms, my man. It's It's absolutely

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insane. At Stockpie, I'm glad I have zero desire to collect rally cars. Never liked them and now they're fake, too.

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Maybe. Actually, it's not so much that they're fake. It's just that they could and they I'm saying Panini Panini realized of the profit margin they could

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make on that extra after co and people still collect them despite the fact they're not gameworn. For me it's it's a real light in the sand moment where

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you've almost got like some old school collectors who would only value game worn stuff and you've got the new lot of

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collectors who are coming through where that's all they've ever had. So in some ways like they never know. I think longterm it's going to play out in the sense that game worn is going to be much

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much more valuable. But at the same time, if the biggest cards in the hobby,

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which is for WNBA in particular, are only non-game, well then maybe that value would just hold out and play one.

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The really good example of this as to why game warn matters is Wemi. If you look at his rookie cards that sell for

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the most in terms of non-autograph stuff released from Panini, it is the gameworn logoman. That is the card that explains

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it all of it in an absolute mozzar. All righty guys, moving on to our next topic. We are going to talk about the almighty Detroit Pistons. This for me is a really good news story of the year.

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That and the Charlotte Hornets has kept me enjoying the NBA this year. That's the the thing that I'm lucky about. I don't have a team, so I just sort of

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drift into things that, you know, really good news stories for me. Obviously,

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it's the Hornets. They've been my league pass darlings. Other places are starting to talk about now. True Hoops was talking about that this week. Shout out to True Hoops. But let's get back to the

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Detroit Pistons. These guys have been absolutely cooking. They sorted out a couple of things with the chemistry.

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They've worked out the balance between defense and shooting and they've got a fantastic roster that is wellbuilt,

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complements each other in a really meaningful way and also is a young roster. Juran's young, Kada's young,

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Beef Stew, he's an absolute lunatic.

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Obviously, this is the veteran presence going on here. And then we got the Thompson twin, which could have the highest upside of all the names that we've just me mentioned here. I think

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it's just a just a fantastic feeling when you've got a team that's been frankly terrible for years and years now to be the number one seed. And the other

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good news story was we had Kate Cunningham that was out with a new thorax. He is now going to be back in time for the end of the regular season.

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So that's twofold good news if you're a Pistons fan. Number one, it is because that means he hopefully will be ellegible for the end of season awards

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and then also to getting his legs back underneath him in time for the playoffs.

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I would love to see them make a deep run at least to the semi-finals at the very minimum to the Eastern Conference Finals. That's what I think they should

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be able to do. And then look, if everything goes lucky and it goes well for them, here is hoping that they're going to make it to the NBA finals.

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Shout out to Cards Boulevard on Twitter.

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This is from them. short-term game 2023 Panini Prism Pulsar number to 35 WBY PSA

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10 sold in February 26 for 15K and then went on to be sold for $26,400 in March of 2026. In just one month,

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he's up 66%. I think the timing of a sale is obviously really really important here, but also too this just

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demonstrates how hot Web currently is at the moment and this guy is absolutely scorching. So what does this mean if you

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are a WebI holder or you're a WBY collector? I personally think this is the right time to sell. For me, this is getting into the point where it's just

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getting too high. What can he do other than go down? The only thing I would push back on this sale is that I really

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think silver's the silver pop on this guy is insane. And I've got him opened up here so we can talk about this really

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quickly. It's population 5 5,000. So these are the ones actually I would sell. This one here. Yeah, I think that's a fantastic flip and it's a good

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sale. But my only sort of push back on this is the pop. The maximum pop on this you could get to is 35. And actually I personally think these are the cards I

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would want to be buying. The only thing you know you can make sort of the argument for is now you can put 26k into a LeBron auto to a Jordan autogrow. You

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know you can put it to some towards something like that. You could wait for this to come back down. I think it's very fair to say that there is some potential for this card to go up and

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then come back down. You can jump back into the market. Look that could be the play or you could just be happy that you made 66% in a month. You know either way congratulations to the seller and that's a really really fun one. All righty.

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This is from Poppy Petco on Card Hub Sports Card Exchange Australia. Blaster boxes are dead. They do not add any value to the hobby anymore. Seriously,

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we should all boycott blasters so that manufacturers just release mega boxes and hobby boxes. All right, I disagree with this on such a profound level. I'm

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actually going to take the time to answer this as thoroughly as I can. The hobby needs price points. It needs $5,

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$10, $50, $100, $250, 500, a,000, and and above that. And so the problem is,

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if you take out blaster boxes, it removes a really soft entry point for adults. It removes that really nice

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entry point for teenagers, and it also removes a really nice entry point for kids who have maybe saved up their pocket money, and their parents are

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helping them out with some money that they'll given from their grandma for their birthday, you know, something along those lines. I I think that you need hobby boxes so that people can open packs.

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The other thing that Topps has done really well this year is that they put autographs into them. They also put one of one, the super refractors into it.

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And so the potential for somebody to buy a really cheap box and get something like that back is actually profound and

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really important. Sam Petra, excuse my pronunciation on this one here, from a $35 blaster on an Amazon clearance sale.

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He hit a Kaboom Larry Bird, which he sent off to PSA and it came back a 10.

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So that came out of Revolution um retail. They did blasters and megas on that in 2024 and also 2025. Me

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personally, that is one of my favorite retail products maybe of all time. I've got some on the cupboard. I've I've got it put away for when I sit down and I

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want to have a rip for myself. The other one for me that's is just an oldtimer is just prism. Just sitting down ripping a

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product that you might have got a number to 25 green pulser out of or a silver prism. Maybe an autograph. Yeah, it was

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most likely going to be like a crappy low-end autograph, but there's still the potential to get one out of it. Also, I said collect prisms. So, there's so

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much, you know, joy that I get from doing retail. For me, it's just Yeah, I I think if you remove this, actually,

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you would be doing the hobby a disservice, not actually improving it.

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So, Ethan Freeny, I still buy some. I generally don't have the $400 to drop on a box to get a decent card. I like the

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$40 to $80 boxes for something fun to open. If I want a specific player or a card, I just go out and buy it. Yeah, and that's exactly that's exactly right.

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And I think that's another way of saying price points because not everyone does fit into that $400, $1,000 price points.

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The other one that I want to read through too is this one here. Runny Row.

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Don't know about other sports ratio to hits to NFL, but I was into breaks left,

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right, and center. And probably 99% of Australian breakers never hit anything good. Yet, while all over in America and particularly certain breakers hitting

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the top big dollar cards and why it's simple economics, America is the main buyer of NFL. Also, Panini keeps the US market happy. And then there's, oh,

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Panini, don't know where the good cards are, so go only to the majority of first off the line and certain breakers. And then there's a price preco national

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treasures box 3K now and trading at 9K now. So, there's a lot being covered here. Panini made great cards best ever probably, but their practice was dodgy

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as hell. All right, so I will answer that specifically. I don't actually believe that breakers get preferential treatment in terms of allocation of the

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hits. I I would really hope that manufacturers don't know where the hits go. As far as I know, most of it gets

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machine packed other than flawless. For tops and fanatics, I've got no idea how that gets packed and I haven't looked into it. I will say this, bigger

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breakers overseas break so much larger quantity of product. I am hoping that that's the real reason why they get the bigger hits and more of them. They do

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better marketing and they spend a heap on clicks getting your attention to those cards. So that's that part of it too. In terms of breakers in Australia

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not getting good product. Look, I personally disagree with that. I I think that there's a lot of smaller breakers do a lot less volume, but they're still

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doing big volumes and they get fantastic cards. Neon Trading Cards are our sponsor. I would say to you, go on to their website and go and have a look at some of the cards that they've hit.

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They've hit some absolute monsters over time. So yeah, simple as that. I'm going to take a quick break, just get a quick drink, and I will be right back with our

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next segment. The Hobby Hangout XL is coming to Melbourne Royal Exhibition Building in Carlton Sunday, 26th of April, 10:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m.

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hosting a panel and also walking around interviewing vendors and punters alike.

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It's going to be a very exciting day. It is now confirmed that Goldens are going to be in attendance there. You may know Golden's from the Netflix series. You

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may also know Golden's from their consignment services. So bring down your huge cards that you want to sell into the US market. Vendors in attendance

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Hangout. All righty, we're back. Thank you so much for coming back and joining us. We're going to kick off a new segment which is called Next Prospects

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to Pop. And so we're going to look at 14 different players over the next four weeks. And this is prefaced by me not buying into cards when I should have.

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I've looked at card values. I've said yes, that's a good price. And I've just not hopped on and done it. So for example, SGA at one point was trading at $550.

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It is now currently trading at $2,651.

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Now, for this one here, I will actually fully admit that I was wrong about this. When it was going up, I was saying, "Look, this now is a good time to sell.

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How much higher is this going to go? I was dead wrong on that to the point now that I've actually switched around and now I actually think SJ is probably a good buy particularly what's going to

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happen in the next couple of years. This is the really big one though for me.

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This is the one that's really motivated me to do this segment. Nicole Yokik silver PSA 9 population on this 470 in 2024 was trading for $661.

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That is now trading at $1,450. His silver PSA 10 is now trading at 6,200 and two years ago was trading at 2,600.

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And so the whole idea behind this segment is to look around the league and say, great, what are the next next prospects that could do really, really

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well for you? At number 14, we're going to start off with Nquille Alexander Walker. I really love the resurgence that he's had in his career. Him going

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to Atlanta has just been an absolute godsend. I I've always liked the way he's played basketball. I thought he's had good size in the back court, but for

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whatever reason, he's never really meshed. And so, him going to the the Hawks has just been such a positive move

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for his career, and I couldn't be happier for him. I think the systems they run in Atlanta is just fantastic for good, smart basketball players, and

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he is the epitome of that. He's a fantastic outside shooter, and in the current NBA, that that can give you enough court time to be successful. So,

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he is currently trading at $67. I'm actually going to give this the highest rating of all the cards we're going to talk about today at 9 out of 10. Yes,

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he's in the seventh year of his career,

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but I would actually say don't let that put you off. Sometimes players just bloom late. And also for him situationally, he's also bloomed late.

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He is up 268%

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over the last 2 years. You could have picked this guy up for $326,

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which is cheaper than the price of grading. So, whoever did that,

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congratulations to you. Coming in here next at number 13, we have got Aean Thompson of the Houston Rockets. Now,

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this one's a little bit of a funny one for me because if you look at his graph over the last two years, he's up and down. If you zoom in to the last 6

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months, he is down 40%. Now, some people would say, well, that's a bad thing that he's down 40%. But actually, for me, I I view this as opportunity because I

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really value him in terms of his overall game. He's clearly shown out that he can play in big games. I think he's got the

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big game ability to succeed in the playoffs and more more importantly that in the finals. I don't think his game is

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a finished product and I think he's going to keep getting better particularly when it comes to shooting.

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That's the really big thing. I think if he can improve that to enough that people have to 100% respect his jump shot, he's virtually going to be you

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could never take him off the court. I was going to say he was going to be unstoppable, but that's not his game.

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But you every time you take him off the court, your team's just going to be worse off for it. I think we're already starting to see that a little bit now with the Houston Rockets. Back to his

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card value though, at $177, I'll give this a 7 out of 10 in terms of value. I think it's a really good purchase. I

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don't think there's anything to be overly worried about his price dropping.

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I just personally think at the moment there's a lot of money going into Conup.

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There's a lot of money going to Cooper Flag. There's a heap of money going to WBY. We've got some massive LeBron autographs that are coming out now. I

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suspect some of the money's been taken out of these marginal cards and going to that stuff, but that is also an opportunity. I personally wouldn't be

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rushing out to buy this right now. I would put this into your bookmark folder. Check back on his pricing. Just keep a bit of an eye on it. Coming in at number 12, we have got Barnes. Now,

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Scotty Barnes is not a ghost to this show. We we've spoke about Scotty Barnes on multiple times. We had Joe Dennis come on, and Joe did not have a Scotty

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Barnes in his collection, which I cannot believe that. Scotty Barnes is a fantastic NBA player. He can play all over the court. My concern is, for

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example, if I directly comp into Aean Thompson is his market, and I will acknowledge that 100%. Now, in saying that, he's going to be a perennial

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all-star moving forward. So, there's not a huge concern in that, I just think you do need to factor that in a tiny tiny bit. Over the last two years, he's up

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14%. Over the last six months, he's up 16%. And personally, I think this is the pricing point that is about right for

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him. I think this is a long-term purchase. It's not a short-term flip. So again, I would more put this guy into your bookmarks bookmark list to see what

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you can pick up on the cheap for this guy moving into the future. I rate this at about 7 7.5 out of 10. I'm a big big

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fan of Scotty Barnes. I think the potential is there. Fantastic pickup at $145.

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Population on this is low too. It's actually not that much. So, 335 on that.

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Coming in next at number 11 is Darren Fox. Now, this one for me is a little bit painful because if you don't know, I I love Darren Fox. I've purchased quite

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a bit of him. At the highest, I paid $500 Australian dollars for that this particular card, which in today's

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dollars is about $350 USD. I've purchased multiples along the lines since then. So, I could, you know, make the argument I've averaged out over

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time, but this most recent sale of $63 for me is is astounding. So, I'm going to need to get on some bids. I personally think this is one of the best purchases in the league at the moment.

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If that is a correct comp. If this is a correct comp, I'm going to give this a 9 or 9.5 out of 10. If it's, let's just

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say it's it's a wrong comp and the the one before that is correct, u which is $145, I would give that like a 6.5 or a

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seven out of 10. The reason I say that is because I think this is at least a three-year purchase. I don't think this is a a quick flip. I think what you're

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banking on here is the Spurs being contenders for the next three years, and there's nothing to give me any pause on that at all. I think the Spurs are such

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a welldesigned and well-built team and they're not finished constructing the roster yet. We are still a work in progress. I think Fox actually could

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play better with Webby, I don't think that's a finished product. And they've got a few other pieces on their roster that, you know, they're nice pieces, but

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at the same time too, if if you tell me that their roster looks 40% different in two years, you know, I wouldn't be surprised on that at all. I I think the Spurs are very dynamic in that sense.

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The population on this is 599. This is pre the Luca Doni explosion era in terms of pops. This is 90% less population

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than Webby. You have to keep that in mind when you are trading these cards long-term into the future. Yeah, nine

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out of 10 if you can pick one of these up at $63. Now coming in the last card we're going to talk about today, number

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10 is Conapple. And look, I actually built this list before I checked all the comps. So, this one has automatically been promoted up to the top of the list

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cuz he's already cracked that $1,000 mark. But I I still want to talk about this card because I personally don't hold Canel in the same way that everyone

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else in the hobby does. And I've been wrong about so many different things and this might be one of those things that I'm wrong about and that's and that's totally fine. I will wear that. What I

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do want to say about this card is I personally think it's peaking and I think there's two reasons why it's peaking. I think people are betting on this to be the rookie of the year and

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also too it's the first year of Tops Chrome and I understand people's excitement and actually I've got no problem with it all. I think it's fantastic that people are excited.

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They're going out spending their money.

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The other thing we have to mention now and we have to mention here is this is also part to do with the rookie hype.

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And so what I am anticipating is going to happen here is this card is going to spike and it will start to come down.

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You could actually make an argument that it's peaked already at 1,800 and we're already starting to see this card come down $1,750

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$971. It's coming back up again a little bit here to $1,200. I personally think this is going to go back down. I think if you hold tight, you'll be able to get this card for $700, $600 in the future.

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So, where this fits into my argument is you're waiting for this card to go back down and then you're going to buy it again. I'm still putting him down into

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my fourth segment. So I've got three other groups of athletes in front of Konapple. And the reason why I'm going to say this in particular is LaMelo

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Ball. It is an absolutely different time period and LaMelo Ball was in a crazy

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crazy time of the hobby and he also held up the hobby. So so much money went into this guy. But still, hear me out because

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this data is fantastic for showing people what happens after the rookie hype. Rookie hype here at $6,000.

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Still rookie hype here at $4,500. This is crazy numbers. Still rookie hype. We're going downwards though, guys.

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We're going down, but this is still crazy rookie hype. $1,500. $800. Okay,

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now we're getting out of the rookie hype and we're seeing this card really go down here all the way down here to $335.

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I was saying before with Conapple, he might go down to $700. He might go down lower than that. Now you've got that massive rookie hype and then all the

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heat comes off. My my thing to people is wait for the heat to come off and then come back in and buy that card for a much much better price. That's the last

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thing we've got for today's show. Thank you so much for everybody for sticking around. I really appreciate you guys tuning in. I hope you've enjoyed the

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where the action is at. Welcome back everybody. We have a guest from Tik Tok.

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It is a collector from Melbourne and her name is Shona. And without further ado, let's get into the interview.

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Hey everyone, I'm Shaa and on Tik Tok I go by Wooa Usha and on Instagram I go by

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Wooi Collelex. Um really really happy to be here.

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Yeah. No, welcome aboard. I think from my perspective we need more girls in the hobby getting out and doing content. So,

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I would I'm honored that you came on to have a chat with me. And then the other thing, too, is you're in Melbourne,

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Australia. So, there's that hometown connection there. So, yeah, thank you so much for coming in. Let's just talk about your Tik Tok and what you're

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hoping to achieve with that. And then we can go on and talk about your your PC.

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Yeah. So, honestly, the Tik Tok is just about having fun. Um, I think I'm in a

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point in my life where I was getting way too invested into things and putting so much effort into them that I think I

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just forgot about the nature of having fun with things. And last year, I kind of went on a bit of a journey to try different things and just like figure

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out things that I like and like rediscover myself as a as a person. And I think one of the things I came across was baseball. And like I used to love

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baseball as a kid and going back play baseball?

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Did I played softball when I was like eight, but I was always into the sport baseball? Don't know why. It was never

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big in Singapore where I grew up, but I think I just like the idea of like Sandlot and all those films about

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baseball and then that kind of just followed through. And as the Sandlord kids, yeah, the Sandlot like the the movie.

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That's classic.

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Exactly. And I think I've just always had an affinity for baseball. And last year I decided to kind of invest myself

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back into it. Uh and it was great timing, too, because I went to Toronto for my best friend's wedding. And when

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we were in Toronto, uh it was 30 years in the makings, but the Blue Jays finally made it to the World Series

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again. And it was happening while my friend's wedding was happening. So it was it was a great time to get back into

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baseball again. and just get into that whole life that I think I thought I could never really be part of. And like

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now I've gotten into the community um the baseball community here, which is actually surprisingly really big and really happening in Melbourne. Um and

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even like in Australia um and we have some great baseball players as well. And with the account, I knew I wanted to do

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some sort of collecting. Uh I did not want to do Pokémon TCG. Um, I just don't I don't gravitate towards that. Um, but I love baseball so I was like, "Oh,

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baseball cards exist. I'm going to get into that." Um, and I just kind of decided with like the Tik Tok account,

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like I just kind of see where it takes me because I didn't see a lot of women creators when I was like trying to search it up and like trying to find people to connect with um online.

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Literally a handful I feel like in the whole hobby, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. And like there's like some really amazing women that are like really big time

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collectors. And then I was trying to look for other collectors that were just kind of like building out a personal collection, not really looking for those

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bigname um cards like looking for the show Atanis and like the Jack Kaggleons and all those big cards that we have in

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baseball. Whereas like people just wanted to collect because it's their favorite team and their favorite players. and I thought, "Ah, I guess

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I'll do it." And now I'm just slowly getting into it at my own pace. And it's really just about having fun with the

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account and just kind of showing that it is it is still a fun hobby. Um, and

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yeah, it's great if you can turn a profit or it's great if you can like figure out the systems between like

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getting prospects and figuring out what prospects are going to end up becoming really good rookie cards, which will become great investments down the road.

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But it's also, I think, nice to see people who just want to build a personal collection or just invested in certain teams and players and just building it for the fun of it.

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Yeah. Yeah. I I think what caught me like your my attention to your content was that you are literally just having fun and you're just getting out and

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doing it. And I also think too your content is very like it's very original and it's like it's your own personality.

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You can see that coming through. So, and I think in the context of what's happening in the hobby at the moment,

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it's just night and day to you know what's going on at like it's very clickbaity. Often it's very negative.

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Whereas you're the you know the exact polar opposite of that. And I would say the other one who I compare you to is Matthew Yugo. Have you checked out his Matt's cards?

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Yes, Matt's cards. Yeah, he he just kills it every week, week in and week out. So, yeah, congrats.

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I was I was hoping to see him at Collect Fest. I saw him at the Sydney one, but I don't think I saw him uh at the Melbourne one. But yeah, he he genuinely

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seems like a great guy and like even just like his knowledge in the sports realm, like just being able to talk to

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people and figuring out prospects and just him being invested in the sport and seeing um potential in people like he he

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was great to watch when I was trying to like look for sports creators around.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think um you're just triggering Matt at the moment cuz his complaint at Collectfest was the spot he was put into. I think people had a bit of trouble finding him. I I couldn't

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find him. I had to message him. What banner are you underneath so I can try and like track you down? It was Yeah, he was underneath the red banner for people at home that couldn't work it out. So,

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perfect segue. Tell us about your collect experience. How did you go?

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Well, it was my first ever um like collectible show and like and then um card show. I went with my partner and

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our friend. Our friend collects Yu-Gi-Oh cards, my partner collects Pokemon TCG,

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and I collect baseball cards. So, all three of us entered in with like three different um goals and all had to go our separate ways.

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I thought with um Collect Fest, for one,

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like I think it was just it was very loud and very happening, which was like great to just kind of see everyone all together in that space. Like people are

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on ripping packs, people are learning how to play games, and like I obviously was I love the tables where they're playing games together. That's awesome for me,

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too.

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Yes. And they're just learning how to play.

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Yeah, it was it was cool. Like obviously I went to the f the first place that you see when you walk into collect is Fast Break stand with Tops. That was really

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cool to see. Um I think I was with Fastreak. Like I love them. Um they they were like the first store I went to to

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buy cards and like the tops activations that they had were really great and I think I was just from my perspective I think I was hoping for a bit more

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trading aspect with them but obviously when you're partnered with a brand like Topps like I wouldn't expect um that. So when I got to the sports section, that

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was really fun and interesting. Um, and obviously that was like my first I obviously had the idea that baseball is

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not going to be big in general um at like shows like this and especially in Australia where baseball is still a growing sport compared to AFL and NBA.

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Uh so many NBA cards. I never realized how many NBA cards uh existed. Um and interesting. Okay. Yeah. And um it was

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so easy to point out the sports collectors because they all had the vaults, the vault cases, the match card boxes. Yeah.

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Yes. I was like, "Ah, yes." I just I can tell from afar like I just know what you're collecting already. And then all

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these it's it's a lot of men obviously in the sports section. Uh and then you just have me wandering around. And I

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obviously had two different experiences um with like two different vendors because not everyone had like baseball cards. So I went to Traders and Traders

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was amazing. Um it was really great to chat with the guys there. The guys were really excited that like there was a woman that was collecting baseball cards

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and like we got to talk about the World Series. We got to talk about the sport.

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It was really great. It was really fun to like talk to those guys. And then I went to another vendor and that vendor was a little bit condescending. I think

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maybe it was just I don't think it had anything to do with gender. I think it was just him as a person, but he was pretty condescending about like kind of

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quizzing me about the sport, quizzing me about different players and like quizzing me about the history of stuff.

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And my friends were behind me while like I was sitting down going through bulk and this guy was like talking to me. Um,

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and I think that's just like part and parcel of it. I think obviously I can appreciate with that vendor, he obviously is really passionate about the

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sport and knows a lot and is really knowledgeable, but I think to other people sometimes that can be a bit off-putting to me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. For me, I think it's just sometimes pushing past that a little bit and not letting that negate the experience. But like that was like two

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polar opposite experiences for me in that like one day which was really interesting. Yeah, there was a lot of bulk baseball cards which was like

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really fun for me to look through and I was that was going to be my question to you.

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Did you find enough baseball to sort of be satisfied or were you like oh it could have been a bit more? Yeah. I mean like there was a lot of bulk.

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They didn't have like any of like the bigger cars that I was probably looking for but like I got lots of bulk and like I got to fill up the personal collection which was really cool.

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Cool. but not a lot of like card like cards that you would actually see like in the case. Um, it's a lot of it's a

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lot of show Otanis, which is like I show Atani is a great player and like big name for our era in baseball, but I

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personally just don't collect him because I don't resonate with him, but obviously Show Atani is like the big dollar, so like I understand that as well

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and that's what people want to sell and people want to like move that on and Yeah. Exactly.

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Yeah. But yeah, it was it was really fun, I think, walking around and just like looking at everything and like looking at what other TCGs were coming

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up as well and just kind of like watching that cuz I know One Piece is really big at the moment, but like it's seeing a drop. So, kind of looking

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around and seeing what other people are interested in and what how passionate other people are as well. I think like the Pokemon collectors are so

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interesting. Like there was a girl with a backpack and she had like a PSA graded um EV card and it was just cased in the

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backpack. The backpack only had that PSA um graded card. Um okay.

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And obviously everyone is so passionate about it in their own ways and like they have their own pride and joys in their personal collection and I think

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it's like a mini Logan Paul a little bit. But you know what? Like I appreciate the passion and I appreciate that people are invested. I think in

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that hobby um because I think to some people it's just us collecting pieces of cardboard, right? But

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100% it makes no sense to normies. It's it's ridiculous. Yeah,

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exactly. But like these pieces of cardboard have so much history. Like my friend who's been collecting Yu-Gi-Oh cards, he's had these cards now for 10

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years. And like yeah, the monetary value is cool, but like these are the cards that he he always wanted to be able to

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play with in decks or this is like the particular character from the TV show had this deck and like that's

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sentimental to him. And I think that's always interesting to find out the story behind um people and like the cards that

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they have. Um, and obviously some people are in it for the hobby of investment and which is that's cool. I will I will

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never be able to play an investment game personally, but I think like that in itself is also a really great skill to see. Um, and like just seeing younger

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kids wanting to trade, learning to barter, learning how to make deals. I think trading cards has been such a

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great tool for kids to build confidence and meet other people in a safe space as well because yeah, the internet's scary.

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Um, but like for kids to be able to go to these shows and have the confidence to ask for a trade or ask for a cheaper

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price on a card and rationalize that, I think that's amazing to see.

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No, 100%. I I actually I was literally just saying this in an hour. I just interviewed trip MC cards and we were literally just talking about this all the different skills that you will get

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and then the other thing I'm not too sure where you're at with family and stuff like that. I got two young kids.

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It's like how do you get them off devices and get them out doing different activities? Like it's a I I think it's a real conversation that needs to be had

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and I think there's some benefit. You can make some argument that there is some benefit to card shows and getting kids into collectibles from that

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socializing point of view. 100%. So big reason why I asked you to come on today was to talk about first Bowman because as a baseball fanatic that you are and

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me being an NBA guy that's not that familiar with it. I'd love to get your perspective on that.

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Yeah, I guess for me with Bowman, I think what's really interesting about it that I think a lot of collectors like

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about Bowman is the idea that you're really focusing on the prospecting aspect of collecting. And I think when

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we think about Bowman, Bowman really focuses on those that are up and coming,

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especially players that are still currently in the midst of being drafted or they're kind of working in the minors

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at the moment, working towards getting into the majors. And the first card they'll ever get would usually be a Bowman. Um it'll be their Bowman first,

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and it would be labeled Bowman first, or it'd be like a Bowman Chrome. um their first car would always be a Bowman before it's a Tops. And I think it's

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really cool because we we know all these big names, but imagine being able to say that you got their Bowman's first before they even made it into the big leagues,

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which is why I think in the baseball collecting world, a lot of collectors are really, really switched on. Yeah,

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they're paying attention to the whole game and like rookies that are going to like stand out that are already playing in the MLB, but they're also looking at

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the the guys that are playing in the minors right now that could be called up anytime because in baseball, people are

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going to get injured. People people are going to have to take leave and stuff and the prospects are those that are going to step up and they're going to

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have their time. And I think the lovely thing about being able to own a Bowman and saying that you had their Bowman first before they even got their Tops cards is really cool. Um,

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Thank you to US Sports Cards Australia for your ongoing love and support. And we're back with Shiona and we're going to continue our conversation about Bowman Chrome.

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And I'm I also really like the art style of Bowman. Um it has a really nice vintage style to it as well. It's I think it's I think they're really pretty

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cards personally and yeah, it's really cool.

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Pretend I'm a pessimist towards First Bowman and you're like you're the positive, right? So the part that I'm really struggling to get my head around

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is so tops chrome for NBA is already out. Now they're releasing First Bowman.

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I'm assuming that Cooper Flag is going to have an like a first Bowman card, but like it's not his first rookie card. So,

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why would I be purchasing that? And I suppose my follow-up question to that is does generally Bowman come out before Topps Chrome is that the order of the

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release so it would actually make sense in the future. Yeah, I think really the key thing with Bowitz, yeah, they will

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have a couple big names in there, but that's just you. Like if if we put it in the way of like with a player, like if a

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player's already well established and they have a Bowman, it's still going to be their Bowman's first because it's the first time that they appear on a Bowman,

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um if Bowman has never done an NBA card.

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So that's still something to add to the personal collection and that's still something that's probably going to be worth something because it's obviously the first of its kind coming out and that's going to be its own unique thing.

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Typically, I'm not too familiar with release schedules, but when we think about a player as a whole, Bowman

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Bowman's going to be looking for the kids that are in college and the kids that are working their way up in the NBA. Um, so that's what you're looking

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for in a Bowman really. you're looking out for the stars of the world that are going to be stars 10, five years down

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the road and then those cards are going to be of value because that's the first time that they were ever highlighted and first time they were ever recorded. And I think that's the beauty of Bowman.

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It's that idea of like they knew that this kid was going to be something and you also holding that card knew that kid was going to become something and I think that's the power of a Bowman.

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Bowman's really cool, I think, when they get into it and they're really studying the prospects and who's going to make it

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and who's not going to make it. Um, like I have a bunch of Bowman first. Um, and it's a bunch of kids that I have never

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heard of because obviously they're out working in the league. They're the way baseball works is that these kids are

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working in the minor leagues of the major league teams and they'll get called out for like one game or something, but like they still they

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still count and they still train with the team during spring training. They're part of that wider network. And having their card before they even make it out,

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I think that means something. I think that's really cool to be able to support the players before they even become big.

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And I think that's my personal collection, my personal belief with Bowman.

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Yeah. No, that's awesome. Like I really appreciate you explaining that to me. I think probably what I'm trying to get my head around a little bit is just maybe it's just the way that the product has

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come out this year and and next year it will be fixed and then it'll make more sense to me cuz I think that's where I'm really caught up. It's like why would I bother getting a first Bowman when I can

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just get a Tops Chrome? But yeah,

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I think you've I think you've explained that to me really well. Well, and then I think the other thing where I think baseball and basketball is like is very different is the prospecting scene. Like

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there's a like very deep there's, you know, multiple leagues that the MLB have got set up to sort of feed players into their pro league, whereas the NBA has

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the G- League, but even that it like it it is kind of used as a developmental league, but realistically, it's all the players that have been cut from the NBA

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or just aren't quite good enough to be in the NBA, but still want to play in America. That's kind of the scenario that plays out. So look, I'm actually

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I'm really interested to see how this plays out in the NBA field cuz we are going into this new era. We've just exited Panini. Now we're going into this

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sort of tops and fanatics area and there is going to be new things being introduced to us and us for you know to get our heads around.

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So I think this is another one of those things in addition say tops now which I think they've absolutely killed. So hopefully this will take off for them and it'll be good for collectors.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I think probably as well what I what I think probably Bowman's trying to achieve as well, I think, is getting more eyeballs on that um collegiate

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league because obviously the boys that are playing in college, they're going to they're going to end up getting drafted.

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And I guess when we look at like first Bowman cards, I'm assuming that we're going to see first Bowman's for like collegiate players like like Juju Watkins and um Caleb Wilson.

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That's exactly what they're doing. You're you're exactly right. Yeah. Yeah.

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So I think with that I think that's bringing more eyeballs to looking at these kids at a college level and I think getting more people I think

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invested in that scene before even thinking about the NBA cuz I think in general I think sports is having a giant

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revamp like thanks to pop culture and thanks to social media I think people are realizing now that there's a lot

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more eyeballs in sports than there's ever been before and obviously what you want to do is try to disperse those

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eyeballs. Um, it's the same way like how the the NHL now has the PWHL and they're trying to get more eyeballs involved and

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it's doing amazing. There's they had a PWHL tournament where that whole stadium was full and that would have never

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happened 10 years ago. So, I think they're really trying to disperse eyeballs, I think, in all those sports and trying to get more people involved

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from that almost like that grassroots feel, right? Like getting them invested from the jump and seeing that through.

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That absolutely could be their strategy.

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I I think again comparing Fanatics to Panini, Panini didn't advertise.

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They they just didn't. Whereas what you're seeing here is very deliberate marketing schemes by Toppsson fanatics to try and get more people into it. And

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I I think what you said before too about the pop culture stuff, they're 100%

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doing that and I think that's it's clever and it makes logical sense. Yeah. Yeah.

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Uh what's your final thoughts today and then we'll we'll get off and move on to the rest of our days. We're in a really great space, I think,

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where I think more people are getting into the hobby of collecting cards and I think it's great to see would love to see way more women. I'm pretty sure

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there's plenty of women around that are really invested in card collecting and in sports card collecting as well. And

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I'd love to see more spaces for that. Um whether that is at a collect fest or whether that is at a card shop allowing

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women to be part of it more. And I think getting past that barrier of like, oh,

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if you don't know everything about the sport, you shouldn't be invested in it.

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I think I think we're past the point now where like if anybody just cares about it, I think we should give them the time of day to really be part of it. But

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yeah, I think we're in a really cool space and I'm I've only been in it for about a month and a half going into two months now. And I I love it. I think

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it's really fun and I hope other people would get into it because the more of us there are, the more people we get at trade shows, the more we get to trade

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and have fun ourselves and not just let the Pokémon guys have fun.

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Look, thank you so much for sharing your story today and I really enjoyed hearing your perspective and I kind of hope that that guy was giving everyone a hard time

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and not just you, you know, being a girl. That's for absolute sure.

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Totally. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me and thank you for all the work that you do for the community here in Australia. It's awesome.

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Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah.

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All righty, guys. Have a wonderful day and we'll catch you for the next one. Take care. Bye.