The LeBron-Sexual Manifesto: Tacos, Luka, & The GOAT Debate

"I just want to meet LeBron James."

In this episode, we dive deep into the psyche of a self-proclaimed "LeBron-sexual." From hiring a taco truck just to get a glimpse of The King to the emotional fallout of the 2003 Exquisite Collection price tags, we explore what it means to follow a player over a franchise for two decades.

We also get into the weeds of the current NBA landscape, debating the "Luka Shift," the legitimacy of JJ Redick’s coaching era, and the impossible choice: Would you cut Luka Doncic or your entire bench to get LeBron his 5th ring?

In this episode, we cover:

• The Grustle: Setting a world record with 230 gigs in 24 days.
• Crowd Work Gone Wild: The best, the worst, and the "Call the SWAT team" stories from the stage.
• The Ultimate Trade: If you’re on your deathbed, do you take a LeBron high-five or a Liverpool Premier League trophy?
• Card Talk: Lebron, Bronny and Gerrard

"I'm too dumb to be sad." — The mantra for the modern NBA fan.

Transcript

Welcome everybody to this week's show.

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This is the Yukon Compius NBA Trading Card podcast. I am your host Russell Gibson and this week we are with the

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scouser from Liverpool, the world record holder of 230 gigs in 24 days and the self-proclaimed

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Lebron sexual. I am here with Kyle Legac. [laughter] Fair enough. I'll take it. I've got I'm

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rocking a semi right now just from you saying his name. So, I can't deny it.

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[laughter]

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Do you want me to give you a minute and we can come back until you finished it off? No, no, no. It's fine. It'll go down.

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We'll talk about OKC and it'll just drop slowly. [laughter] You brought the keys. Thanks for having me, lad. Appreciate it.

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Ah, thank you so much for coming on, man. This is super cool. So, can you fact check my introduction? Is it true that you are a world record holder?

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I am a world record holder. Yeah. I got to the most gigs at the Edinburgh Fringe, 230 in 24 days. What were you taking to get yourself through that?

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Because nothing. It was It was like one of the worst f It was a great festival in terms of like comedy. I was doing a bunch of gigs, not working, but I was just every

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night I had no social life, but I was just too busy doing gigs. Like they' be like, "Do you want to get a beer?" I'd be like, "I can't do it." Every night I just have a knockoff Bailey's like an

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old man in the pub and then [ __ ] go to bed cuz I had to be up again early as [ __ ] Like I was doing like 11 a day or something stupid. I was doing

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everything. I was doing kids show kids shows which the judge made that very clear. I'm allowed to. I was doing book shows. I can't even read. I was doing

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gay shows. I don't even like [ __ ] I was doing black shows, but I just told them, well, I didn't say I was black, but I didn't say I wasn't. And then they got there and they were like, are you black?

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And I was like, who's racist now? And then they just let me go with like a token white.

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[laughter]

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I was doing everything every show you could think of. Opening for friends, doing Yeah. No. What type of jokes do you tell to kids?

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Uh, the worst ones. No, I just do I do a lot of crowd work and ripping. So, I'm like, "Where are you from? What do you do?" And I just do the same with kids. Like,

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it'll be like two kids. I'm like, "You guys a couple?" And they're like, "It's my sister." Like, they love that [ __ ] You know what I mean? You're pretty much just talking to the adults without swearing. That's what it is.

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Drag shows. I was doing drag shows cuz my name's Kai Legacy and apparently that's a drag shows drag woman's name.

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So I snuck on two of them. You've got a good name, Russell Gibson. It's like that's a good basketball name that actually like you could like playing for

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like the seven like Paul George or Bill Russell. Russell Gibson, D'Angelo Russell or maybe like Taj Gibson. That's probably the two best

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Russell Gibson I think NBA names. But yeah, well D'Angelo Russell is is the worst.

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I'd say Bill Bill Russell and Taj Gibson is a good shout. Yeah.

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Uh just tell us a bit more about yourself. Like how on earth did you did you get here? and and you were highly highly recommended to me from Kappa

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Flapper. So, this is how this hookup happened.

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Good lad. Good. Thanks for the assist Kappa. I'm 6'1 with the hair. I'm a proud a proud scout mass massive

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Liverpool fan. So, I'm a massive I got to cut you off there. Sorry, Matt.

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What's a scer? Because we have no idea what a scowzer is actually.

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Oh, really? Well, I guess it's a pronoun at this point. 2026, but a scouted is like somebody from Liverpool. So, my

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accent, what you're hearing right now, um, and and why people have turned this podcast off immediately because they can't understand the word I'm saying is

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the Scouse accent. So, we're we speak Scouse and we're Scouses. So, we say even though Liverpool's in England, we hate England. So, we say we're scouts,

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not British. So, like we're like our own little, you know, in a way like obviously like Newcastle are called Jordies, Cockney down south, stuff like

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that. Birmingham are Brumies. Like that's just our name. Yeah. where you're from. Yeah.

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Yeah. Liverpool. So if you're from Liverpool, you're a scouser. But you can also be a plastic scouser. So like if you're from Liverpool, you're a scouter.

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But if you're like in from Bacon Air, which is only like 10 minutes drive away, you kind of sound like us, but you're not a scouser. So you got like all of our weaknesses and none of our

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powers. Then like Warington, they're like plastic scouers, woolly backs, St.

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Helens, Woolly Back. So everybody wants to be a scouser, but there's like levels to it. My mom's from Hull, so what would she be?

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A slag. No, sorry for calling your mom a slag.

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What would she be? She'd be [ __ ] inbred, I guess. Do you give your mom a high four or a high five? I'm trying to figure that out in this year.

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Uh, she's got five fingers and toes on each 10. University educated from Hull.

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I don't even know what Hull's called actually to be honest. Hollings. Oh, [ __ ] knows.

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All right. So, you're famous for interactions with people in your shows and one of the things that you do is get them to write down things on a piece of paper and then you you read them out.

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What's your worst, your best?

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And have you ever had to call in the SWAT team to like evacuate someone because you're worried about your safety?

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Nothing like that. It's always like I always get them to So, for my hour show, I always say jokes of cruise ships and [ __ ] because I've got funny bones. I

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don't have to like write down a set and [ __ ] remember it and all that. I just I like to stream funny in the moment. So it's yeah I do a lot of crowd work.

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Where you from? What do you do and stuff and classic but then they write down topics suggestions when they come in and I pull them out and just rip off them.

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So sometimes it's a lot of like because they know I'm a Liverpool fan or whatever. I'm playing like Liverpool songs before or they know I'm a LeBron Lakers guy. A lot of it will be like

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heckles. So like and because I'm so dumb I like read it out other than like like I just reading out my own heckles. I'll be like this one says I look like

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Sideshow bar. I'll be like, "Ah, for [ __ ] sake." And they be like, "Steven Gerard's a rat." Be like, "What the fuck?" So, it's a lot of [ __ ] dumb

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ones like that. But I've never had some crazy. We done a someone ripped down bit baths. Do you know what that that means in terms of Australian culture?

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A bad bath is somebody cups their testicles and you do a shot out of the you do a shot of tequila out of the cup

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testicles. So, I got somebody to do a shot out of my out of my um out of my ball sack like last month. That was pretty funny.

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Yeah. Wow. Okay. I feel like I don't have any friends that I'm close enough to to be able to do that with in my life.

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Well, he wanted me to do it to him and I was like, Matt, I was like, I'll use my balls. I'll give you that, but I'm not [ __ ] taking a shot off these balls.

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But he was loving it. He he done another shot. I was like, I think you're in it for the balls. Not even the at this point.

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I'm like a minute details person. Didn't that sting like the the high alcohol concentration on your nuts?

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Uh well, no, cuz the rash that I've got is a bit higher above my dick, so it was fine.

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It didn't it didn't get mixed with a chlamyia, so it's all right. [laughter] Uh I forgot to say this at the start of the show, but I'm going to have to do

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like a language and content warning, aren't I? This is not my our normal sort of um PG-rated content, but that's this is totally Oh, I didn't even know it was a PG show.

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No, it's it's not. normally we just No, no, you can say whatever you want. Like as long as we give people due warning, it'll be totally fine. Don't stress

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about it. So I think um so you've never had to call any support team in for people or anything like that. You've never had like disturbing messages.

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We used to do this show called Comedy Boxing where like the loser gets punched in the face by the other competitor. So we had to call like an ambulance a few times cuz I broke my nose.

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In terms of police, no. I was I was at the Nimben Mardigrass festival, the weed festival last weekend. Just gone. That's why I look

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like [ __ ] Penny Wise. I'm a shell of a man. Look like a [ __ ] actual mun right now. And and I was crowd working police there and stuff, which is kind of

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funny. And like I was calling them pigs and getting away with it. That was But I don't think I've I've had anything written down like crazy, you know? Like

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somebody writes and wanted me to finish it off, but I don't think it was a real suicide note, obviously. Um, but it started with like,

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yeah, yeah, but it does, but it like started with like, hey, so I was like, but you wouldn't start a suicide note with high, would you? It'd be like to

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whom whoever finds this or the [ __ ] What else? Nah. No, you get a lot of the same ones like it goes through like a

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few years ago, I was getting Trump a lot, you know what I mean? Do like a Trump impression of him doing this or whatever. Just topical a lot of topical [ __ ] Like I'd get a lot of pedophiles like Jimmy Savile and stuff like that.

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Just people writing about some crude [ __ ] but nah nothing too wild.

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One of your most famous jokes is about too dumb to be sad. Explain to us how that joke works.

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Well, yeah. I'm so dumb I don't even get my own joke. I said it once on stage and he [laughter] laughed. So, so that kind of proves my point. But obviously

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there's something wrong with me mentally. You can see you can hear it and see me. You know what I mean? So you know [ __ ] But uh I'm lucky. I'm just

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old school dumb. Like my friends make fun make fun of me. They say I'm too dumb to be sad, which is sick cuz every day like I look out the window, it's a

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beautiful day. I lick the window and go back to bed. Rinse and repeat.

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[laughter]

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I'll let that one ride, but I I'll definitely say this. I I love to hear about people's stories of how they got here. And clearly, you've got an insane work ethic and you're able to take risk.

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And I think that's something not everyone's got that like that that is a well I mean I've been doing it for 12 years now and I was like the definition of like I crawled through a mile of [ __ ]

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and came out clean. You know what I mean? Like I was like I was awful for the first six years. Like awful because like it takes forever to get good at crowd work and just stand up in general.

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Never mind like doing it on the spot. So like when I started I was like I'm going to do my I I used to play basketball I still do now but that was my life before

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comedy. So, I was like, I'll just take what I did, the work ethic, like I'll do my 50,000 hours instead of shooting, now I'm doing it on stage. And my plan was

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to get so good that people had to book me. Like, you can't deny funny. You know what I mean? Like, you can maybe book somebody if they're funny, but they're a

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[ __ ] or weird offstage, but if you're a nice guy and you're funny, you're going to get booked. You know what I mean?

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What's your advice to young people out there working out life what they want to do all What would you say to someone?

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Wait, young people doing comedy or young people in general?

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Well, I actually think that this could be just a general piece of advice to everyone, not just someone who wants to do comedy, because my observation of people that are successful is like

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they're damn hardworking. They take risks and they do something for a long period of time. And and probably that's something else is like a follow-up question to this too. You must have had

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times where you're like you wanted to give up, but you know, why didn't you give up? Why did you keep going?

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Cuz I didn't have a plan B. [laughter] That's pretty much it. I was like, I've given so much to this now that I hit the ground running and I was like, I'm just going to do it as much as I can. You

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know what I mean? Some people would ease their self in do every month, every week cuz you're organizing friends, whatever, whatever. I was like, [ __ ] it. It doesn't matter if I don't know anybody

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in the crowd. That's even better. I just went full throttle with it. So, I would be like, I mean, follow your dreams.

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It's [ __ ] gay and cheesy and all that sort of [ __ ] But like, everybody's [ __ ] in love with something, you know what I mean? Like, and you go through waves. Obviously, you age out of

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something, something else comes in. But like just [ __ ] stick with it. Like if I can do it, [ __ ] anybody can pretty much.

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Yeah, that's my advice. If I can do it with this space in this accent, gig around the world in Asia, Europe, where don't even speak English as the first

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language. You can [ __ ] be an accountant, man. You can get a you can be an accountant if I can [ __ ] do this.

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Yeah. No, that's awesome, man. Tell us about some of the places you've gigged around the world then. And then after that, lead us into some of the other projects you've worked on, including

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your podcast, cuz I'd love to hear about all the different things you've been smashing out.

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Um, I mean, main mainly it's the three continents, so it's like UK, um, America

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and Australia, more more Australia and um, UK now, but I'm waiting for the American visa like I was telling you about. So, that'll be another stop on

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the never ending [ __ ] cat legacy gypsy comedy tour. Um, but I feel like I've done everything I can in Australia

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now. Like not for TV wise and not putting this accent on TV and let's [ __ ] crime watch or something. Um, but so I've like hit that like I've done

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every comedy club I can here now. You know what I mean? So it's like I love it here. It's paradise, but you can hit the ceiling quite quick in in Australia

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because it's just so far away. Like I've got friends that are big on TV here.

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Then they come to Edinburgh and they can't sell one ticket cuz like it doesn't matter how far you are, how good you are in Australia. It's just so far

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away. Nobody's looking. You know what I mean? Everybody's looking at the UK and America. Like um so it's a good place to get good in Australia. If you want to

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get good, that's why I've been called back. Like you get obviously there's less competition, all that sort of stuff. Um you can like in the UK I'm in

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a different se every night. I got to travel a lot in Australia. I can do like a month in each place and there's enough work like that which is good. Like if I

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wouldn't go in London for a month, it' be pointless. You know what I mean? So I love that. It's easier here I guess because of my accent. I'm like exotic,

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you know what I mean? Back home I'm like a scouter. They [ __ ] haters, but here I'm like an exotic little fruit, you know what I mean? So even if they don't know what I'm saying, they have to like

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listen in more because like just to understand me to get the money's worth.

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And then plus no like back home a lot of people do crowd work like I would say my level is still one of the best but here

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it's not really many people do it and if you do do it it's [ __ ] you know what I mean so I've like found my own little like niche like I'm pigeon hole to MC

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like even if I hit up a a comedy club not to MC they're going to book me to MC anyway so it's like I regard myself as the best MC in in um

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in Australia when Mickey Dies who's another great comedian.

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Why do you think that the crowd work isn't the same in Australia? Is that Australians personalities compared to other places? Like I don't know if it's cuz they're

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laidback and stuff. I've never had a problem with it. I love crowd Australians. But um I think maybe because comedy is an older platform in

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the UK. Like here comedy is probably not even that old. Live comedy probably only been around since the 80s or something.

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You know what I mean? Like in England, it's been around since [ __ ] god knows like [ __ ] jesters back in the day.

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Performing for the king and all that crazy [ __ ] like which would be a crazy gig to get. Imagine that. That's like a corporate right now. You're gigging for

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the king. How much does it pay? Doesn't pay nothing. And if you b dead Oh great.

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See, sign me up for that. That's the [ __ ] That's worse than kill Tony. I'll tell you that. Kill jester.

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[laughter]

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You're like, how did it go? Well, I got beheaded. So, how do you think it

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[ __ ] went? [laughter]

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So, I think we're just we're just more of a comedy savvy audience in the UK.

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It's been around here longer. Like, here you can still get away with the tricks.

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You know what I mean? Back home, you don't really fall for the tricks anymore. Like, just shoot stupid [ __ ] gags. Like, last night like someone's birthday and I said, "You can't ask a

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woman how old they are. How much do you weigh?" Like, back home, you get booed for that. He has like standard ovation. Oh my god. How did he come up with that? Right.

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[laughter]

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All right. Tell us about your NBA fandom and you being a LeBron sexual.

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The erection's back. Welcome a podcast, which is which is this is like the most hightech tech podcast I've ever been on your podcast. By the way, mine's called

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the LeBron James podcast. Uh the I want to meet LeBron James podcast. It's pretty much just every episode we talk about ways I can meet LeBron. And a lot

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of them involve some pretend son uh bomb threats like some of the worst ideas, you know what I mean? Like [ __ ] go to

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the I promise school and hold it hostage till LeBron comes and meets you. They're never good ideas. Like sometimes it's like fake media pass. Okay, I could do that. Whatever. Go to a G- League game.

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Go to his house in LA on an e scooter.

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I've done all that sort of stuff. And I'm getting closer. I met last year I met Bronny, his son. I sat next to D'Angelo Russell for a G- League game

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and I was sitting caught for Bronny's third game. Obviously, I've got no respect for money. Um, I met I met Rob

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Pelinka who recognized me two days later at a Lakers game which was sick. Um, I've met JJ Reddit, so I'm getting closer. You know what I mean? I've met

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his son. I'm like one generation away from meeting him.

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I'm going to have I have I have I have comedy goals, but it's my only goal in life really. Like if I meet Lebron, I'll die a happy man.

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I've actually never listened to your podcast and I saw that you've done 250 episodes. So are are you serious about that? That for 250 episodes you've done

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hypotheticals of how you're going to meet LeBron James.

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Yeah. I mean the first like I only record for like 23 minutes because obviously LeBron's not 25. I'm going to bring it back because people been messaging me about it and all that sort

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of stuff and I just record it wherever I go. I just do it on me phone just wherever I am with a guest. like a lot of like in green rooms or in [ __ ]

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airport lounges, [ __ ] like that. Uh people's couches and all that futons and stuff in the background. Like you'll never I don't think I've had the same

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background in like I love your consistency here. I don't think I've had the same background in any of my podcasts to be honest. It's always

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different. Um and yeah, we just talk about and then the last question of the podcast is how can I meet LeBron? And I

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normally say give me a funny answer and a real answer and then Yeah.

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Yeah. Right. And I've tried most of them out, you know what I mean? We a rapidity song. Um I I like obviously I slide into

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his DMs all the time, all that stuff. I went to his house in LA, went to a G-League game. Um

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tried to rent a taco truck to to um to park it outside his house, but then it didn't have a speaker, so we couldn't play music. Well, well, that's what it

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was. Um, so yeah, I've done like give me an idea right now and I'll tell you if if someone said that or or if I've tried it.

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I think the best way to get him into a room would be try and broker a $200 million deal with him. So you need a friend in finance and you need something

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that would appeal to him. So either like a media pitch or like a branding pitch.

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So for example, whiskey. He's into whiskey, right? So get him out of Hennessy and get him into some type of Scottish whiskey or a scousle whiskey, something

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like this. I think Well, that's the thing cuz he's a Liverpool fan and he owns like 3% of Liverpool, so he's always like posting

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about the Reds and all that. So like it's not a bad idea that like scout whiskey or something that actually maybe that's your in there. You know somebody who's at

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Liverpool and then you get into the same board meeting that LeBron's at.

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I love when a plan comes together. All I need now is 200 million CEDA money.

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You need some friends with some with some finance behind them and you can make this happen.

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I I'll pay it in Australian and save me a bunch of money. [laughter] Probably be like five quid.

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All [snorts] right. So, how did you become obsessed with LeBron in the first place? Like tell us about the genesis of this and um

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well 20 I got into basketball like I was got in quite late. Maybe I was like 11, 12 or something like compared to like you know what I mean like [ __ ] the

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prodigies and all that and [ __ ] playing for. So and then when I got into 2002 or 2001 I think it was LeBron was

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not in the league yet but he was like the face. So like whenever I looked up basketball or or saw a magazine at the [ __ ] news agents it was LeBron. So I

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remember I had the [ __ ] chosen one like the Sports Illustrated. I think he was like what was he? He was like he would have been like sophomore so he was

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like [ __ ] 16 or something like that and then I was like 11 or something and I was like well I guess this is the guy I'm just gonna follow him and then 23

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years later I'm still [ __ ] following them. It was nuts. like my my I should have been a New Jersey fan really on

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paper because my family um they live in America some of them and they would like when I first watched basketball like on

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the TV it was like the 2001 finals Lakers vers

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New Jersey Jason K vers Shaq and they used to send the VHS's over so they mail the VHS over and I'm watching it like

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it's live like the playoffs is in July I'm watching this in like September being like Oh my god. [ __ ] hell. Put in the next V D VHS. I want to see if the writers win. You know what I mean?

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Like now you just [ __ ] Google it. But I would live by that. Then I was like like Jason Kid even though he is like maybe he is like half black or his dad

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black. I thought he was white and I was like oh this is sick. I have a Jason kid jersey or all that sort of stuff. I wore it like [ __ ] every old clothes day for school. It was [ __ ] sick. Used to

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wear it with sleeves under like a proper [ __ ] honky but too skinny just to wear the jersey, right?

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Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Oh yeah. It was

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[ __ ] hanging off. It was [ __ ]

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dress. And then so New Jersey and then like then LeBron came along and Kh was black.

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I was like, "Well, that's even cooler." Uh Jason K and then that was it. After that, I thought she rode. So I was like, obviously LeBron went to the C. So I'm

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now a Cavs fan. He went to Heat. Now the Heat fan. He's gone back to Cleveland.

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Now I'm a Cavs and then Lakers now. So I've seen you NBA supporters then that they don't so

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much follow a team. You just follow a player and then as that player moves around, you just start following that new team. Like that's Oh, exactly. Yeah. Because I'm a

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Liverpool fan. I'm from Liverpool, so I support Liverpool. But I mean like you normally support a team where you're from, you don't have a choice you see or

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where your parents are from or so, but my my parents didn't like basketball. I was like the only first person in the family to [ __ ] play basketball like or watch it. So I just I I like players.

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Yeah. Like if you're not from a city then if you like if you live in America and your city doesn't have a basketball team you're like I guess you support the

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closest one or you just pick a player you know what I mean? Most people now like even my mates who are like Boston fans they still like like other players you know what I mean?

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Yeah. No I think what's your actually I don't have a team because for that exact reason I find it too hard to actually pick a team being

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so far away from America. When I was a kid I loved Hakee. So when I got into basketball, Hakee was basically dominating the league. That was at the

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two years that Jordan was out. So I really remembered that fondly. And then I had a life-size Hakee poster on my wall. Like that's how that's sick.

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Yeah. Like how crazy I was about Hakee.

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But So you got like a bit of Houston.

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Houston. There's a bit there's a bit of Houston in you then. Yeah. Houston, I guess.

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I enjoy watching Houston. Like don't get me wrong, but I think I was telling you this off the air the other day. It's like I don't really have time to sit down and watch that much live basketball

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anymore. So, I'll just try and pick one good game a day and I just prefer to watch a good game as opposed to my team.

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So, like the Hornets have been awesome this year, man. If you haven't been watching the Hornets, I think you've missed out on a lot of really good basketball. Like they're just a

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good fun team to watch. Yeah. Probably not you baby. Look at this. Yeah. I got that old jersey on right now.

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Hell yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. I think the other one too is the Pistons this year. Like they've been a really good team to watch. They've been they've been great. So

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Oh, fringe MVP. Yeah, he's got those [ __ ] young kids running.

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Going back to that whole thing about following players instead of I really think that's because of the way they've marketed the NBA now. It's they don't

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really market teams anymore. They market matchups. So it's like Zion versus Jarant or LeBron James versus Kevin Durant. Like I think that's where all

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that modern fandom comes from. And it does really irritate the old heads because they're loyal [clears throat] to their team and and they sort of view us

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as being disloyal I suppose to any particular Yeah. But then you got like now the players just got so much more power.

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It's that as well really. You know what I mean? Like LeBron's [ __ ] social media has got more followers than the actual NBA. Never mind his basketball

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team. He's got more followers than the whole franchise. So like there's more eyes on him. So people just

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see him more than they see the latest page or something.

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He hasn't done very much wrong. I'll say this about LeBron James, like you know, he's had the same have the same woman since high school. He's had no drug

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reports. He's had no drugs, no rapes, nothing. Yeah, exactly.

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And he came from high school like he shouldn't he shouldn't be in the like he should have been like depression could should have got to him like but

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the worst thing for him is Maverick Carter. I think he actually needs to cut that guy loose. I know he's been fantastic for him, but I think that guy's like running off the rails at the moment.

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Oh, I don't know what he's doing. Yeah, but I mean Magna Carter got him Dre Beats and invested in Liverpool Liverpool Football Club. So, yeah,

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you can't you can't knock it though. Is it? Yeah.

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I'll tell you what he's he's going off the rails now. He's going out with Adele.

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Yeah, I think they're still together and um and I'm I love Adele. I've seen her live, but I'm assuming she's crazy.

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That's why she's [ __ ] Every song is about an ex. Like, you wouldn't leave there. must have left there for a reason. She's a millionaire, but she's

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[ __ ] guys keep leaving her, so she must do something [ __ ] wrong.

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I'm not sure. Maybe she's one of those people who just can't help but picking the bad guys.

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Maybe I guess I mean I remember seeing it. I was like, "How the [ __ ] did they even meet? It's the most random couple ever." Oh, no. It's not Maverick. Sorry.

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That's Rich Paul. [ __ ] Um, have I got my name wrong? Have I?

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No, no, no. I'm thinking of No, I think I got it wrong. Adele's with Rich Paul. But even then, how dies? That's weird.

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Maverick Carpet I think is Rich Paul is mates but he's the agent and I think Maverick's is business manager. Correct.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story. Going back to you watching VHS's of the NBA finals.

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The first thing I purchased when I got my first like real job was a DVD subscription to Pontel and that was a European company and and once a week you

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could pick a basketball game, they would burn it onto DVD for you and then post it out to Australia so I could watch games because there was I couldn't get

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Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. So that was crazy. I think it cost like $30 or $35 a week if you paid for it on a year. But

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if you bought it disc by disc, it was like $40 or something like that. And when I was a 21-y old guy, like that was a lot of money to me. So, but I've still

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got them all in my in my living room just like stacked up in boxes sort of thing. That Wait, so it be you'd buy like a regular season game or you'd buy like a whole

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playoff series? Cuz once if you got one game and it was like a [ __ ] game, it was like a blowout.

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Yeah. So if you bought a yearly package, you got 52 games. So then you could pick one game per week and each week you would pick a game and you could pick any game that you wanted, any game ever.

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Okay.

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So you could pick regular season games, playoff games, and you could pick the old school games, too. They had like sort of this builtup old catalog. So

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I've got all the Allstar games somewhere. Yeah, I stopped buying them a while ago, so I can't remember what year I don't have the all-star games from,

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but I've got like the classic ones of remember when Magic came back and then played an allar game after he announced having HIV. Like I've got that game that just, you know, gives you

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that's the one where nobody would nobody would guard them. They didn't get too close except for Dennis Rodman because he was like that probably got a anyway.

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So, I mean, the thing I remember from that game was that they were sort of going one-on-one with him at the end of the game. So like Jordan was defending him and then I think Isaac was defending him

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for a possession and then my recollection what he was he was scoring on them every possession down but I'll probably need to Oh yeah hitting some threes as well and stuff. Yeah.

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Yeah. That like think about it. What year was that? Was that 93? Like Mike Magic was the starting point guard in the [ __ ] 92 Olympics. You know what I mean? Like he would have had AIDS then.

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He probably played two seasons with AIDS and he was just still that [ __ ] good.

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I think he did have AIDS. Sorry. I think he did have HIV during the Olympics.

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Yeah, exactly. I mean, he probably didn't know himself, but it was he must have had it. Yeah.

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Yeah. I can't remember when it was announced and he was in 91 finals with AIDS probably against M against Jordan.

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Sorry, HIV. So, he he announced it in 1991. November 1991. Yeah. So, then

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after the finals but before the Olympics. Yeah.

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Yeah. Because I remember that because they were like, can he play and what's going to happen if someone, you know, bleeds or something like that on the court? They had to sort of put in like a protocol for him. Yeah.

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We've completely segueed you here. So, you were talking about your LeBron stardom following him from Miami, Cleveland,

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and now back to the Lakers. So, tell us more about that.

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Well, I'll tell you it was it's better being a [ __ ] Miami Heat fan and a Lakers fan than a Cleveland fan. I don't know if you ever been to Cleveland

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before. I've been once and it's a [ __ ] [ __ ] hole. I'll tell you that.

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Like I'd rather go to a [ __ ] game in Miami than I would in [ __ ] downtown Cleveland. [ __ ] hell.

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What's a better city, Philadelphia or Cleveland? Because I've been to Philly.

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I've been to Philly as well, but I've only I just went in and out. I just went to the game. I saw LeBron play there. I saw LeBron's worst loss of his career.

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45 40 45 point loss. I I got a I got a bus all the way from New York. I've made my friend fly for one night from

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Savannah, Georgia at cigars and then afterwards I'm like I'm still [ __ ] smoking a cigar. I've paid for this.

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[ __ ] this. Like it was like brutal. But um but I'd still say clear I'd say Philly is better for sure. It's just the

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Philly fans are [ __ ] rats. That's the only problem.

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My experience in Philly was real weird because not many of them turned up. They sort of came at the start of the second quarter. It wasn't a very good game.

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They were disinterested. By the third quarter, some had already started to leave and by midway through the fourth quarter, it was bit of like a ghost town. So,

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yeah, they're [ __ ] different. Yeah, Miami is like that cuz they're all [ __ ] too cool for school. They always come in like halfway through the the first quarter, you know what I mean?

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Stuff like that.

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Yeah, probably I'm there as soon as they let me in. Warm up, screaming at the players, Ruy, Ruy. Turns around, I

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[ __ ] bowed. I'm [ __ ] I'm going nuts. Hammered on me. I've been I've seen LeBron play live 12 times now.

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Guess how many wins? Four.

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Yeah, you nailed that. [laughter] Saving his finals record. I've seen four wins and [ __ ] six eight losses.

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Brutal. Brutal.

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Who will you support when LeBron James retires?

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God, you're going to make the cry. I'd still stay with the Luc with the latest because I love Luca. I love Luca when he was on the Mavs because I follow I

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follow follow a little bit of Euro League like so I'd probably still stay with the L for the Lakers for Luca cuz I've got a shitload of Luca jerseys now.

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All right. So you basically you become a like a Lakers fan now.

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Uh I mean yeah but I mean obviously I still I still like Hornets because I love LaMelo and stuff. I met him when he was out here as a rookie in Wagong. We

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went to see the Aara Hogs game with his friend Jamal and his dad, you know, Lavar Ball was back when he still had two feet. Him and his Mes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Tina or whatever the [ __ ] they were courtside and I was like, "That's Lavar Ball there. I reckon he could just walk over." So, we just started walking

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over every time out. We got closer and I just know like right up courtside just on the shoulder like we were on the other side like in the stands and just

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was like, "Hey mate, how are you?" Sorry to interrupt. I love what you're doing with your son. do you mind if we get a photo? So, we got a photo with them.

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Then everybody else tried it after that, but Skior was on it. They were like, "No, no, no. We're not we're not having that." And then afterwards, I'm going to this, we're walking out and there's a

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sign, $6 schooners. I was like, "This is a good [ __ ] bargain. Let's get in here, boys." We start walking in and my mates there who's a shooting coach in

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Sydney. He used to be my shooting coach and we do set like we just we just play like five on five and stuff with this

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group chat. He's a good player. Um he he was like, "Come up here." So me and me two friends walk in. As we walk in the

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doors closed behind us and we're in like the players and family like lounge with like free food, free bedies. Laamela balls like right next to me. I'm like,

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"What the [ __ ] going on here?" Got a photo with them. Sick. Right place, right time. [clears throat] I feel like you you know how to weasle your way into the right place. To be

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honest, that seems like you Oh, at NBA games like I'm like it it's empty seats. Second half I'm [ __ ] making my way down there. Like I've had

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seats like real high and I've ended up like behind the bench, you know what I mean? [laughter] Because I go to a lot of games on me own as well because I'm a [ __ ] loser, you

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know what I mean? I'm traveling on me own for comedy and stuff. Like if me mates there and he likes basketball, he'll come. But I like to spend quite a bit of money on tickets. You know what I

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mean? It's like this is my life. This is your thing. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think traveling by yourself in America is pretty good though. Like my experience traveling by myself in America is like you go to a restaurant,

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you sit at the bar and then two minutes later you're talking to the person next to you. And same as if you go, yeah, Americans I I always I always talk to

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the people next to me because I love that element that it's all mixed. It's all all the fans are sat together. Like back home it's like segregated. You know

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what I mean? It's like some away games like to football. You're getting bust in the brick and the bust of fans. You know what I mean?

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That's the same as Australian rules football too, man. Like we're not segregated either. Yeah. We're all mixed in. Yeah.

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Yeah. That's mad. So I love that cuz you can have a bit of banter with them. You know what I mean? It's like I was talking to these like this this couple in [ __ ] Miami. Then afterwards we had

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a drink and all that. But you can just have a bit of you know being like [ __ ] you you [ __ ] all that [ __ ] You're just being like being cheeky and stuff like and then normally I always take a

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sign as well. So people always like look at the sign and normally get on the screen a lot. Like I've won fan of the game at Blake games before. I'm upstairs

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and stuff and I always have like funny signs. It'll be like the queen's dead.

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Um, so I came to see the Kings or something like that.

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Um, sometimes it'll be like I've done one where it's like my stats and then open for the two-way contract. Um, I

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wish LeBron was my daddy and [ __ ] like that. Always like funny random ones.

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[laughter]

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Uh, is LeBron the GOAT? Obviously that that goes without saying that goes even before this playoff series like him just

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getting past [ __ ] Houston on his own with a couple of scrubs he's like you got to factor in longevity if if if

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Jordan's the goat what's it based on because it's not based on records or stats it's based on rings and if it's based on rings then Bill Russell's the

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goat isn't it? So like so LeBron will retire first in pretty much everything.

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He's top top three, top five at points, assists, and rebounds. Like, and he's and he's the highest scorer of all time, and he's a pass first player. It's nuts.

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Like, 23 years for him to do this at 41 is out of control. Like, it's it's never been done before.

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Okay, so the Bill Russell thing, I think to compare that era from the 60s to now, there's too much of a difference in athleticism. So, I

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I'll give you that. He's playing against [ __ ] Bakers.

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Yeah, I love Bill Russell, but I think he might be like, say the Ben Wallace of our generation, you know, a really

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dominant athletic guy, but I don't think he would have the same impact on the league today that he had then. So, let let's just remove that for a second.

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I I think the Jordan thing is actually more relevant because they've got very different achievements. And I think you've pointed out all the longevity awards that LeBron has won, but from my

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observation, the difference between the two is that Jordan won six championships, three in a row twice. And

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most people will say that winning two championships in a row is really hard, but winning three in a row is like you have to take five years off your career

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to do it. Like to just one of those things that's almost impossible to do. I personally think it does come down to championships in the modern era. And

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that's why people consider Jordan to be the GOAT over LeBron. And I mean, it's just generational. Like, let's be like, people still think Jordan's the goat, but in 15 years,

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everybody's gonna say LeBron. You know what I mean? When when Jordan was in the league, but he was like Kareem's the goat. You know what I mean? It's just whatever you grow up watching, what you

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see a lot of. And like, yeah, Jordan, he also retired two for [ __ ] two years, you know what I mean? The Bulls were a

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great team. You put Jordan on any other team, I don't know if he's going that whole way. Yeah, I love Jordan. He's phenomenal. the second best the whole time. But like when Jordan retired for

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two seasons, the Bulls still made playoffs and Scotty Pippen was top five and it was fourth in MVP votes both years. So it's like, you know what I

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mean? The Bulls were still good. When as soon as LeBron leaves the team, they're in rebuild again. You know what I mean? They're awful.

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I mean, Prime Pippen was not to be messed with. He was an absolute beast.

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Like I would actually love to see him of all time. Yeah.

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Yeah. It'd be even better now if he hit a three-pointer. You'd be unstoppable.

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And then like LeBron played Behe LeBron played against super teams. The Bulls were the super team. Like what's the best player Michael played against?

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Magic with AIDS. Clyde D. Um it was HIV. Yeah, I take your point. I think the Portland was very very good.

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[ __ ] Yeah, the Portland team was good. Yeah, but I'm saying [ __ ] Clyde Rex didn't gives a [ __ ] The Utah was great. I'll give you the Utah was good, but I mean

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I think the Barkley team was pretty What do you reckon? Would you rather play John Stockton or you rather play Shady Alexander? You'd rather play John Stock? You'd rather play against John

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Stockton any day? Of course. You'd rather play against [ __ ] I'd rather play against Carlo than I would [ __ ] Jokic. I'll tell you that.

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Like the quality is so much better now.

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Like Yeah. The amount of player movement that we have now and how much the average IQ of players has increased is insane. And

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just the athleticism is pretty much Austin Reeves now. Like Steve K is off like you know what I mean? That's the transition. Yeah.

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Like even the role players are just [ __ ] booker getters. Like Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I think we're in agreeance on this. Absolutely. If you're

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in your read that LeBron is the goat.

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Not that bit. Ah, [ __ ] The the league overall athleticism and skill was improved. I agree with you on that. But

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yeah, uh LeBron is a goat. I'm not too sure about that. I mean, like I I love The Last Dance.

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Like I watch it like a [ __ ] comedy now. I [ __ ] love it. Like um but you're on your deathbed. Make a wish

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calls. You can either high-five Lebron or Liverpool can win the Premier League. What would you choose?

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Um, I'm going well I've seen Liverpool win two Premier Leagues in my life, so I'm going LeBron high five all [ __ ] day. And I'm [ __ ] catching that [ __ ]

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man. I'm licking the [ __ ] out of that [ __ ] hand as well. You're damn right I am. [laughter] Just doing a B Simpson never washing your hand again.

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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Just as soon as he done it, handcuffs, boom, duct tape, never let go. Chinese finger traps.

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[laughter]

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Oh, all right. So, normally on this podcast we talk about basketball cards. Are you okay if we talk a little bit about some basketball?

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Yeah. Can I can I actually show you some cards actually to get give me a value if you can? Okay, sure.

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Because I went to a card show in P. They done like a my like it's the first time I'd probably been. So, I'll start with this one here. You ready?

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Sure.

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This is a this is a a football one. So, this is Steven Gerard. This was um that was just made to like not in terms of

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value just bit nostalgia for me. I was like oh that's there was only like one little football card in the whole place.

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So I was like and it's a it's a ruby wave card. I think that one is is it a ruby wave?

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Select is it says number 204 on the back. [ __ ] that. And you want me to give you a value? Uh I mean if you can if you can do that.

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I don't know if you know about football but maybe the basketball ones you could.

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That was 60 bucks I think I paid for that. This next one they gave me for free. Little Bronny baby. So that's the mosaic.

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That's which this one. This is Yeah. Bronny. And I think that's called yellow flash.

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It's a Mo Maza Mosa. I got the rookie card for Bronny which he gave me that for free. So I don't think he [ __ ]

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recognized me from comedy. So I don't think it's worth [ __ ] none.

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I think that's actually a really nice gift that he's given to you, man.

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Yeah. No, it's [ __ ] great. Yeah. I mean, he's like he was like a massive comedy fan. Like, he wanted a photo with me and all that sort of stuff. And then, do you want to see the the prize piece?

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I've only got three collectors piece, but this I reckon that Broady one's about 10 bucks, Aussie. I reckon that would be my guess on that one.

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Hey, that's 10. That's That's $10 profit. Paid zero for it. We'll take it.

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This is the pride piece. LeBron James rookie card. Cleveland Cavaliers. 2003, 2004.

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20. This is the only legit collectible out of the old three really. UD collectibles LeBron James freshman season number 69. I don't know what that

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means. That's like one, but this one's thick. I like that. And what's yours graded to, man? I don't know what that means. PSA8.

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PSA 8. Yeah.

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Yeah. 110 American. Probably in that sort of ball ballpark.

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Oh, that's good. I mean, I got this again. I got this for 60. So 60 US uh 60 Australian. South Africa.

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Actually, here it is right here. This is it. So, it just sold for 117 American. I'm going to be rich. Let's go.

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[laughter]

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Once LeBron gets his his fifth championship this year. Let's go. So, if if if LeBron if LeBron matches six, does

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he nudge Jordan or you still giving it to Jordan? Because he done it three times back to back.

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If he gets six, then it becomes a serious conversation.

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Well, of Well, no. If he gets five, it's it's done and dusted, I reckon. Five at 41. Behave yourself. He's been a finals

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MVP on three different teams. That that that's more about you. That's Kobe as well.

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Hey, just wait. Just wait. Yeah, he's only got four. No way, man. No, you're crazy. You're the [ __ ] old head. Look at you [ __ ] old head.

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I probably am older than you to be honest. That's I bet you all time doesn't even a white guy in it, does he? Actually, no. You probably got Lanny Bird a power forward.

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I would go Hakee, Duncan, LeBron at small forward, Jordan, point guard. Magic.

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Steph Curry or Magic. That's Yeah, probably Steph.

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I would go Yeah, I'd go Magic or Longevity. That's why I'd pick Steph.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Magic or Iverson? I'd go Jordan. LeBron, I'd probably I mean, do I Yeah. Tim Duncan is the best power

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forward of all time, but for me, I'd probably go like Nitzki. And then I'd probably go for Sent and I'd probably go like Yeah. Like I guess Shaq or something. Yeah.

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Yeah. That'd be a good little matchup for us. Yeah. Or Jokic maybe.

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Oh man. Yic. He's just too good at basketball. He literally is just like a walking computer that guy.

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And he doesn't even give a [ __ ] Like I saw a photo with his top off the other day. He looks awful. He's like excited he got knocked out so he can [ __ ] go to the horses. No.

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I'm not sure that he It's not that he doesn't care. or he just he's got other things on in his life. I actually think he works really really hard at his

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craft. Like the amount of skill that gues he didn't just roll out.

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That's hours and hours and hours and hours of like mindnumbing um practice. Anyway, um can we talk basketball cards?

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Did you want to bring up any more?

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That's all that's the only that's the only three cards I got.

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I'm not a big collector. I collect I collect more jerseys and stuff like that. like a jersey like all over the world. I got some in storage rooms. I

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got about eight in rotation here. I got some in me mom's but um I don't know. I'm not a card guy

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now. Like in England it wasn't really a thing. Like we have football cards growing up but there was no basketball cards. Plus like I probably thought they were different from nerds back then or

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whatever the Well, we are nerds. I don't think that's even I mean now now I'm like yeah we're nerds and I love it. But like back then it was

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like you know what I mean? I just like I threw it in with like Pokemon cards or something. Even though it's like Yeah. All righty. So, what we normally

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do on this podcast is we we take cards or we take an event that's happened in the NBA and then relate that back to cards. So, that's my normal sort of

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stickick. So, I found some LeBron cards that I thought you might be interested in talking about. So, what I'll do is I'll introduce the card and then I'll let I'll sort of flick to you and then you can give us your take on the card.

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The first card we're going to talk about is this LeBron James Exquisite 2003 vertical RPA.

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Wait, is that is that some of the game worn jersey on in there?

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Yeah, so it's gameworn jersey on card autograph. This is from his rookie year.

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And this particular card is graded by BGS, which is a grading company, and it's given it a nine out of 10. Uh, it

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recently just sold for $5.2 million. So, we're going through a bit of a what a Sorry, that's actually not true. It last

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sold in 2021, but we're currently going through a cycle at the moment where there's some really big high-end cards that are selling. So, um like people

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have been sitting on them for a bit and now they're eventually selling them or what?

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Like, wouldn't you just wait for LeBron to retire at this point? Like obviously when Kobe died like everything went through the roof because it came out of

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nowhere, but like everything's going to go up when he retires obviously, you know. Actually, the the funny thing about Kobe's Yeah, he definitely did go up after he passed. Like, that's that's

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true. But in the last 12 months, he's gone up more than he went up before that. Like, he has gone up exponentially in the last 12 months. Yeah. So, he's going through a real push at the moment.

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And so, there's a thing at the moment where people are talking about essentially not money laundering, but people are buying Pokémon cards and their money shifting

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cards across. So there is some belief that you know some of that could be happening in the basketball world but I think oh like a bitcoin thing or something.

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Yeah. But the biggest factor I think that's happening at the moment is that doi where he's coming in he's been buying up a lot of these really big cards and then going on TV and talking

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about it. So Kevin Oolirri Yeah. So he saying to the saying about like the pricing and the money in it to the mainstream market.

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Yeah. And he's been going on TV like national TV and talking about it too.

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So, I think that's the other thing that Yeah.

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Whatever happened to the NC the you know the the online cards? Remember they had like they were pushing out hard when when it was Zion's rookie year.

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Did they just all lose value or what? Are you talking about Top Shots?

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Yeah, that is still a thing. But it dropped off really really hard. Like at one point you had to go into a ballot to get

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the packets whereas now they're much much easier to get and a lot of out of it.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's something about holding a physical card that I like as well, you know, just look at it.

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Yeah. I'm not sure. I mean, I understand the appeal of digital cards and I really enjoy it, but I think my problem is is like like what do you do with these

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things? I think I I play FC 26 and I love doing all the SBC. Do you play FIFA?

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Uh, yeah. When you said FC26, I was like, "Who the fuck?" I know that's what it's called now, but I've never heard anybody call it that. You just don't call it FIFA. You know what I mean?

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Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. And do you do the squad building challenges where you you put the players in, then you get a pack back? Like, that's what I really enjoy doing that.

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I'm not I never really had a [ __ ] console growing up. I was I was [ __ ] poor as [ __ ] So, I'd always just go to me mates. He had one. So, I play I

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played a lot of FIFA, but just like one-on-one. I never like playing online FIFA because I was [ __ ] Plus, my favorite part was the [ __ ] roasting each other. The banter in the room. You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Like, so like I play it like I play it when people play it sort of vibe. Like I'll defend you on that. It's probably not that you're [ __ ] at it, man. It's just that these people who play online play it a lot. They're just really good.

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Seveny old [ __ ] Asian kid just [ __ ] rocking it. He had five goals with huming son. You're like, "Fuck off." [laughter]

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All right. Do you have any other words about the What FIFA rules do you play?

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So, because it's all different around the world. Do you do like 3-0 halftime as an automatic win? You do 5-nil, you got to write an apology letter, stuff

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like that, or [laughter] uh it depends on who the mode that is set by FC. Okay.

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You don't get to pick it. It depends on the mode. The the one I like the most though is that it's a short game and then if you're down by three goals, the game automatically ends. Because

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otherwise like some games you just get absolutely trounced but then you sort of put out really quickly. I like this one.

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Oh yeah. Sorry. What were you saying about LeBron?

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No. Did you want to say any more words about that card that we were just looking at or can we move on to the next one?

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I mean I saw one in the card show in Perth. It was a Kobe Michael and LeBron all all at free card with with the

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jerseys and I can't even remember how much he said it was. He pulled it out like it was like handcuffed to his briefcase to his wrist. It was like full

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on like codes. Pulled it out. He's like, "I'll show you this because you s I was talking to probably wasn't even pressed up. I'm guessing, man." He probably

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No, no, he was not selling that. Like he was just doing that to show like the other people at the stand to show off. Yeah.

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Like that was like that's probably the most expens like the best card expensive best I've seen in real life. But I do like it when they have like the jersey and stuff.

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Uh this one I picked out for you to talk about. This is the 2020 LeBron James Pine Prism. This is the Kobe tribute dunk. This is one of my favorite LeBron cards personally.

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Oh, that I I I s I saw one of them there as well. Well, like a variation of that.

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Yeah. So, this particular one that's on the screen is the gold that's numbered to 10. It's PSA 10 that last sold for $384,000

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in October 25. But if we look at some of the other ones that because like that's the thing with LeBron, there must be so many cards

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because he's played for so many years, so many different teams. You know what I mean? play.

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Yeah, that's actually a very good observation about LeBron. The the thing that is interesting about him though is he had a contract to sign with Upper

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Deck and Upper Deck hasn't held the license for the last 10 years or so. So, there's been no LeBron autographs at all coming through product. So, his

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autographs have held value really really well.

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So, the I haven't actually saturated it with that then.

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Well, not signatures, but yeah, definitely cards and numbered cards.

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You're 100% right on that. But then now there's a new company making the cards and that's called Topsson Fanatics and he is signing for them. So we're

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going to be seeing some more LeBron autographs which is that's really exciting. This is the like that like like that new company.

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Can they bring back old LeBron cards or can they only print like him?

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They'll just make they'll just make new ones.

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They'll make new ones of it. This is a raw silver card. So that sold for $115 and it sells a lot. Like if you track this back here, you can see there's been heaps of sales.

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How much? 115,000. 115 American dollars.

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H just like Yeah. Oh [ __ ] That's going everywhere.

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Is that something you'd want to put into your collection? Um I mean it's [ __ ] I'd love that.

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That'd be [ __ ] sick. Yeah, [ __ ] dope. You might have to send you have to send me this [ __ ] website after this. I'm going to be going nuts on this tonight. I want to get stolen.

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Oh, there's so much stuff online. Like today I woke up and Roman's like, "You've got a package." I was like, "When the [ __ ] did I order this?" And it was just like some random [ __ ]

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things. I just kept sting all this [ __ ] So, I'm going to lose so much money tonight.

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I'm not too sure I feel good about this to be honest, doing that to you, man.

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Yeah. No, I see you. You knew what you were doing. [laughter] This is another one of my personal favorites for LeBron. This is the 2008

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Tops Chrome. This is what we call the chalk toss card. I I love this card so much.

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That's the one that they had that that's the one that they had the mun in Cleveland that started PSA 10 that last sold for $987

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US. The population on that is 522 and that's just on the base. There's quite a few different parallels of this. There's the X fract 288.

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What's the um zoom in a bit on the actual card? What's that above?

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So see this one here circle rings. Yeah.

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Yeah. See how that's sort of checkerboarded there? So that particular pattern that's called the X factor.

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So there's different types of this one. So for example, there you see this one. This will be easier for you to see. This is the orange

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variant of that same So there's the orange. Yeah.

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Yeah. There's the gold to 50 and then there's the refractor which is essentially the the silver prism of of the old school.

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I love this card a lot. Like if you're looking at putting a card into your collection, I was actually I did a segment on this just in the last week or

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so. Even if you buy the base card of this and you buy the worst graded card of it, I think this is a like a really really good long-term purchase.

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I I love this card a lot. I think this is going to be like an alltime LeBron card.

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What's that? Is that top rider? Is that 9.5 out of 10? Is that the rating or not?

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Yeah, exactly. So, oh yeah, in the 2000s, this was the biggest grading company in the world, whereas at the moment, PSA is the is the top dog when it comes to grading.

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Yeah.

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90 that's a PSA rating of eight then. Yeah. Okay. Yep.

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I was always wondering what that number was. So, in terms of like if you put it in [ __ ] like what what what's like the you know the in Pokemon the Charizard shiny like the best one.

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What's some of the best ones? Like obviously everyone would think it'd be like Jordan rookies and all that sort of stuff, but there must be some real niche

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ones out there that like I I think at the moment Michael Jordan is is absolutely king and he's going through this huge resurgence at the

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moment and in particular his inserts are selling for just like just stupid money.

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Like it a lot of it actually it doesn't make sense what these cards are selling for. Okay, I'll try and find one that I've bookmarked.

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And I'm sort of of the opinion now that most Jordans, even cheap ones, are just unobtainable just because of how high that they're selling for.

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Yeah. When when did you get into this?

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You've been a basketball fan for for ages, but like Yeah.

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Yeah. So, I mean, my my connection to basketball essentially was that I went through a really rough patch in primary school with like making friends and

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dealing with bullies and sort of getting over that, you know, aspect of childhood. And I made friends with basketball. And so then I was I wanted

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to start a new group of friends and sort of get away from a group of kids that I didn't feel was that like treated me that well. And then playing basketball

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by myself. Then I met other kids playing basketball. So essentially that just created this really positive environment

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for myself and then at that time that was when you could go to the the local market and pick up packets of cards for like two bucks and

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that was my pocket money per week was two bucks.

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So that's sort of and I I also personally believe too that collecting is genetic. My dad was a bit of a collector and my grandfather was a I'm

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not even too sure of the the right word for this, but when after he passed.

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Yeah. But worse than a hoarder. After he passed, it took my dad and my uncle about six months to clean out all the

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stuff cuz he just Jeez.

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You couldn't walk around his house anymore cuz it was filled up with all this stuff that he bought from shops and stuff. So, I'm not that bad. And then you don't want to throw something out cuz you you don't want to throw it all

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out cuz there could be like a [ __ ] barge in there worth 2 million or you know what I mean? No, they they threw a lot of it out.

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They they had to they had to get they had to purchase skips in to like to get rid of all the stuff. It was Yeah, but they probably at least looked through it a little bit. You know what I mean?

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From my grandpa's perspective that grew up in, you know, through the the two world wars and then through that sort of era of the depression, he was going down

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to the op shop and buying something for two bucks and was getting this like piece of value. And so yeah. Yeah, that was his perspective on it. Anyway,

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going back to to Jordan, this is the the perfect example. Okay, this is probably not the best example on this, but this is this is an example of a of a Jordan

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card, and you can see here the price um variance. So, basically, in the last 3 years, this has gone from $30,000 all

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the way up to $50,000. This card's numbered to 150. So, there's only a total of 150 of them. Yeah. But it's absolutely skyrocketed. And so this is

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one example of a Jordan card that's skyrocketing, but if you look at any Jordan insert from the '9s at the moment, like they're just going

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absolutely bananas. And so I think I've answered your question pretty well.

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Who's sort of the big dog of cards at the moment? It's it's just Jordan's.

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Yeah, there's a lot going on in in basketball cards. And obviously I'm I'm short answering a a pretty complicated question, but that would be my most

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simplistic answer. Y sick. I will I'll allow it. Lock it in.

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Let's do some like I was I wasn't I wasn't expecting you to say like [ __ ] uh trying to think of the niches player I can think of now.

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Mugs and Terry Terry Rosier. Yeah. You know what I mean? A Kemba Walker Nicks

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card. I like what [laughter] the Luca Donic acquisition.

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Yeah. What's the question? Or have we just taking a moment of silence to celebrate? [laughter] I I mean

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um I mean it's the biggest it's it's one of the biggest GM fuckups in like I mean when the trade happens you're like what the [ __ ] going on here? Like I don't

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know if he had a personal beef with Luca or if he [ __ ] went on holiday in Slovenia once and got food poisoning or something but [ __ ] Nico just didn't

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[ __ ] like him. He took him to the It all started with [ __ ] remember in the finals where Lucas trying to enjoy a nice beer and [ __ ]

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I can't remember was it Michael Red an ex player comes over and takes the beer off him.

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You're like already you're not respecting your superstar there. Yeah, I guess the job's not done but let the man have a [ __ ] beer. You think anyone's

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stopping Jokic from [ __ ] drinking beers? I don't think so. No.

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Like so they [ __ ] up there the mere fact that they got him [ __ ] the Desmond Bane trade. got more value for

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him than he did [ __ ] for Luca. Like Luca was two players. That was it. Like I mean both of those players aren't even there anymore. Like so I don't know why

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he did that. Obviously Luca did look a bit out of shape but it doesn't matter.

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He was still averaging like four 30 points that season.

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Like it's it's it made a bit more sense when they got Cooper flag cuz you're like okay maybe the NBA is rigged like

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years ago when they rigged the the draft so New York could get you in. You know what I mean? Maybe that was part of the deal, all that sort of stuff. But then

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they fired Niko, so you're like, well, I guess it's not. Like Cooper is a great player and like he is going to be good, but Luca was already tried and tested.

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You know what I mean? Like Yeah.

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So I loved it. I woke up and it was going nuts. Like I I had more matches that day than [ __ ] when me Nan died. Like it was going crazy.

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I I think that's just another reason why I hate Lakers fans though, honestly.

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like they just seem to keep getting these amazing players at a discount and now they've just done it again but on a much bigger scale. So yeah, I mean well like it's LA it's like

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people want to play in these [ __ ] places like the big markets in it.

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Nobody wants to play in [ __ ] trail place. Everybody wants to play in LA.

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Like even Boston, New York, you'd still take LA because the weather, you know what I mean? Like I'm still kind of pissed off about Paul Gasol getting traded there for a bag of

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chips and then for them to run it back again with Luca. It's just it's just unbelievable. Yeah, but then No, no, but like he got Marcus Shaw and he became a

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great [ __ ] player for [ __ ] No, no, no. He's not as good as his brother. It's No, he wasn't as good, but I'm saying like that grit and grind era like he's

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still going to [ __ ] retire his jersey all that sort of stuff for sure. Um, but yeah, I don't know. But I mean, it's like I don't know. It's not like [ __ ]

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I don't think anyone's scared of Rob Pelinka. It's not like the bullying Jerry West back in the day. Yeah, I could see him bullying other teams for sure and getting the play.

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He's done a good job though. I think for someone with his lack of experience, he's been amazing. He knows the NBA better than

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he was Kobe's agent, so obviously Lakers fans love him because it's like, well, [ __ ] he looked after Kobe. Kobe loved him. That's good enough for us. You know

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what I mean? And I've met him. He's a nice guy. He's chill.

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Okay. Other than Sam Prey though, who's the better GM in the league than Pelinka? Like honestly, he's okay.

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Yeah. I mean, Messiah Yuri [clears throat] who just got he just signed at Mavs, so watch out for that.

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He's going to make making some moves. He was the Raptor GM.

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But he had a pretty rough I agree with that. But he's had a pretty rough trot in Toronto. I think all the moves that he's done, they all haven't played out that well.

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He got he got them a chip. He got them the first chip. So only chip. So he he done better than all the GMs before, didn't he? I guess like

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he got them a [ __ ] So yeah. How are the Lakers going to avoid being swept by the Thunder?

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Uh, well, you've got to [ __ ] get some more Spanish Spanish serum into Luca.

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You just need Luka to come back. I reckon if they go down the next game, Luka comes back come back the third or fourth game anyway. If him and Luca,

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that cancels him and Shay out. So Shay is going to have 30, Luka is going to have 30. So you can cancel them out.

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That's easy. Okay. And they're both going to get players in foul trouble.

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They're both going to do the same sort of things. They're both going to get it.

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He's three throws. And then I love your optimism here. This is this is elite optimism. I've got to say and then it comes down to and then it comes because Jay will still out for you

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guys. And then it comes down to like is Aan a [ __ ] [ __ ] or what? Is he dominating or is he [ __ ] a sub?

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That's like [ __ ] not a substitute, a submissive.

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Is he gonna get [ __ ] in the ass by [ __ ] Ched Holgrim?

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[ __ ] A Jun. No, Ched Beast. I I I had I I had a lucky OKC check jersey. I love Chef [ __ ] Gond. I think he's a beast.

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You've got Aiden and Smart on your roster. Nice role players towards the end of their careers.

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Well, that was the thing. But you got Caruso had [ __ ] Reeves in his pocket the whole game. I never miss Caruso more

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than [ __ ] watching that game. I was like Jesus. And then obviously you got So you have Caruso on [ __ ] Luca, don't you? I guess. And then you'd have

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[ __ ] Smart on Shay. But we just played awful last game. Like that'll that's the worst game we'll play this whole series. You'll agree with that.

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That's a given. And it wasn't even like the first half. That'll be the first that'll be the worst second half. Sorry, we play this whole season. This whole series.

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The only thing I'll say to that though is that yeah, you guys played bad, but also they're so good at defense. They probably made you play bad. I think that's one thing.

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No, but I mean, no, no, we just we couldn't make we couldn't make shots either. Like LeBron was doing like we're missing open shots and stuff like that.

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It's like we just we like the turnovers. It was turnovers that you weren't even causing.

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You know what I mean? It was like okay so much [ __ ] Is JJ Reic a good coach?

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Uh I mean in terms of [ __ ] the numbers I guess the numbers don't lie, is he? He's [ __ ] 255 plus win seasons

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or whatever. Um you're not convincing. In fact, I would say the opposite.

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He's two years in. You're not going to say like ask me. You're not a good coach or not. No, don't don't sit on the He's a good coach. I think he's a good coach. Yeah, I I honestly think he good.

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Like am I all just even coaching all those [ __ ] egos, LeBron, Luca, and all that sort of stuff. LeBron's the coach as well. Let's be serious. He's

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about [ __ ] 80% of the coach. LeBron's the other 20%. His basketball IQ. He's played the game at a high level. He's

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not one, but and and he's not a [ __ ] either. Like he'll get in [ __ ] somebody's face, which which I like.

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Like LeBron's never had a [ __ ] great coach. Who's LeBron's best coach?

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[ __ ] Eric Boster, I guess. But Alex Bster wasn't even Alex Eric Boster back then. So it's like [clears throat]

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that's another reason [ __ ] Michael one more because he had [ __ ] Phil Jackson. [laughter] I'll sit here and [ __ ] swear at you all day. I'm all die on this hill.

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[clears throat]

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No, it's it's anything goes on this show, man. It's totally fine.

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Uh I look, we're up to an hour and 15. I think we have to we have to call it otherwise we're just going to keep talking smack. Call our time out, baby.

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Well, let's draw some Let's draw some love. Thank you so much for your time today.

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This has been amazing. You've been so generous with your time. I appreciate it.

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I am so I'm so grateful for what you've done for me. Kyle, thank you so much for coming on today and hopefully we'll catch up and do this again sometime.

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That would be amazing. Nice one. OKC KFC leg is in six.

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