🏀 THE KNICKS DID IT! Finals Fever & Hobby Realities 🔥

The mighty Joe Foo (@shaqfoo32) returns to the show this week with Russell Gibson to break down one of the most electric, shocking NBA Finals series we’ve seen in a very long time! From the New York Knicks pulling off a legendary championship run to what this historic victory means for the trading card market—we leave no stone unturned. 

Are Knicks cards at an unsustainable all-time high, or are players like Jalen Brunson, OG Anunoby, and Karl-Anthony Towns establishing a massive new baseline? We talk pricing surges, honeymoon phases, and market oversupply. 

Inside This Episode:

• Knicks Fever: Breaking down New York's historic title run and the massive hobby spikes for Jalen Brunson and OG Anunoby. 
• The Wemby Factor: Victor Wembanyama’s evolution into a playoff villain, "battle scars," and the future of his card values. 
• Prospecting vs. Reality: Why are proven stars like Jason Tatum sitting at comparable prices to unproven rookie speculation? 
• Defensive Dilemmas: A deep dive into Cedric Coward and why the hobby historically treats defensive elite differently. 
• The Retro Rise: Why MJ and Shaq inserts are absolutely exploding right now. 

🎙️ Available now on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify! (Check the link in our bio) 

Transcript

Welcome everybody to this week's show.
0:1818 secondsThis is the You Can't Comp This NBA Trading Card podcast.
0:2323 secondsI am your host Russell Gibson and this week the mighty Joe Fu returns. What's up buddy? How you doing?
0:3232 secondsHey Ross, welcome. Thank you so much for having me back. Uh it's been a while actually. It's been a little while. So, hasn't been that long.
0:4040 secondsIt actually hasn't been that long.
0:4141 secondsNot that we're counting dates. No, probably maybe a month or two. Yeah. So, not not that long. Not that long.
0:4646 secondsWell, what's your expectations here, man? I feel like this is where expectations come into um Oh, I mean, look, you know, you eventually eventually can get me on
0:5454 secondsregularly if the fans allow it. But, you know, we'll I'll settle for a month or two. All right. All right. All right, man.
1:001 minuteSo, what's on your mind hobbywise? I know I want to talk about the NBA finals and all the stuff around that, but let's
1:071 minute, 7 secondsstart with Jof Fu and what's going on in Jofu's hobby world.
1:111 minute, 11 secondsI mean, look, man, I am still shocked from this last finals. Uh I think a lot of people are like, this is probably the
1:191 minute, 19 secondsbest this is probably the best finals series I've seen in a very long time. Yeah, it was enjoyable, wasn't it? Yeah.
1:261 minute, 26 secondsI think the last time I had this much fun was when Dirk Noitzky beat the Heedles.
1:311 minute, 31 secondsYeah. like just in terms of shock value, in terms of entertainment, big shots getting hit, surprise, you know,
1:381 minute, 38 secondssurprise stars showing up, um, you know, surprise results like the Knicks coming back from 29 at the half. That should
1:451 minute, 45 secondshave been death. And they just like kept clawing away, kept clawing away, and then before you know it, they're at the door looking at like, you know, taking
1:541 minute, 54 secondsthe lead. And yeah, they do it. They get it done. It's crazy.
2:002 minutesI liked it for similar reasons in that I had no idea who was going to win. I didn't expect the Knicks to get to the finals. I definitely didn't expect the
2:082 minutes, 8 secondsSpurs to get that far. So, you know, both of those things were just awesome for me. And then I was saying this to my buddy at the gym the other day, NBA
2:172 minutes, 17 secondsbasketball at that level is absolutely elite. And when you've got the two best teams left over at the end and every single possession, they play as hard as
2:252 minutes, 25 secondsthey can, just the quality of the basketball. And then you have to throw into the freakishness of Webby and then you've got this guy Jaylen
2:332 minutes, 33 secondsBrunson who doesn't really look like an NBA player but is then the best player on the court and that in itself is kind
2:422 minutes, 42 secondsof like a sick thing to watch and and sort of go through that process too. So just the whole thing for me was just super enjoyable. Yeah,
2:492 minutes, 49 secondsit was kind of like the flash. It was kind of like flashing back to like Alan Iverson and the Philadelphia 76ers versus Shaquille O'Neal and the Lakers
2:572 minutes, 57 secondsand like here's this like giant of a man versus this little guy who doesn't quit and you know history tells us that the
3:053 minutes, 5 secondslittle guy gets stomped you know and [laughter] you know like but Brunson just kept grinding away
3:133 minutes, 13 secondskept he didn't stop like he didn't get scared he he kept attacking kept attacking the paint hit some big timely
3:203 minutes, 20 secondsthrees He's like he they just they just did such a great job of you know of just dealing with WBY you know like Cat Cat
3:293 minutes, 29 secondsshowed up for games one and two and then turned back into a pumpkin for the rest of the series and [laughter] you know but like he did his part
3:363 minutes, 36 secondshonestly like getting two games out of him like the way they did and getting the wins they did um you know yeah look I'm not going to take it away from the
3:443 minutes, 44 secondsguy man like he he he did his part you know Pat's a good basketball player and I agree ree with you. His numbers weren't fantastic, but he still played pretty
3:533 minutes, 53 secondswell. I think foul trouble was was probably the thing that held him back ultimately. And then you had Mitchell Robinson coming
4:014 minutes, 1 secondoff the bench who was just he played really well. Like his energy was fantastic. Yeah.
4:074 minutes, 7 secondsYou know, and he's he's he's a man like he's he's he's strong, you know, like he Wimpy hadn't dealt with that. C was like
4:144 minutes, 14 secondsa twig, you know, compared to Mitchell Robinson and Cat. So here you've got these two meaty men, you know, that are
4:214 minutes, 21 secondsable to kind of like muscle up Wendy Wii and not let him have his way, you know, like that's that was uh that's pretty that's pretty tough for him, man. And
4:294 minutes, 29 secondsyou can see the frustration started to take over, you know, after a little bit.
4:334 minutes, 33 secondsLike he still got his numbers, you know, don't get me wrong. We a force, you know, but you know, like I think in the it was a committee by the whole team.
4:424 minutes, 42 secondsYes, Brunson scored 45 out of like 92 points or something like that in the last game, but you know, most of the other games, the Knicks were deeper.
4:514 minutes, 51 secondsThey showed up more. The, you know, the bench showed up, did their part. You know, I I think their defensive depth was what
4:584 minutes, 58 secondsreally got them over the line. Like they could just defend all over the court.
5:035 minutes, 3 secondsAnd I think the best example of that for me was that layup that Fox thought he had and then OG chased him down.
5:105 minutes, 10 secondsYeah. like it's just really a coincidence that OG was in that spot, but they had that defensive versatility that
5:185 minutes, 18 secondsthey can sort of defend like that. And so if that had have been Bridges, if that had have been even cat, I mean, that's not the best
5:265 minutes, 26 secondsexample, but someone else from the team could have challenged that shot, too. I think that that for me was a really telling play for that whole series when it sort of all
5:345 minutes, 34 secondsyou know boils down and OG getting blocks was actually a regular occurrence in that whole series like he just came up with timely blocks
5:425 minutes, 42 secondsall the time um you know like he was just he he just played another level man he really did become the number two star on the Knicks during that during that
5:505 minutes, 50 secondsplayoff and you're starting to see you know to bring it back to the hobby I guess you know like his his value in the hobby really taking a nice little bump
5:595 minutes, 59 secondsyou know, same with Bronson. Like, you know, there's a lot of people who, as you can see right now, the running joke online is, uh, you know, like, anybody
6:086 minutes, 8 secondsgot Knicks to sell cuz cuz as [laughter] soon as as soon as they won the chip, you know, like every single post has been about the Knicks.
6:176 minutes, 17 secondsYeah. All right. You started to talk about the hobby value of OG, so let's just dive into that. We can do him first.
6:246 minutes, 24 secondsAfter this, we have to do Jaylen Brunson, though, right? You can't give this guy any more disrespect than number two. So,
6:316 minutes, 31 secondsOG Anobi, he's a 2017 rookie, so he's been in the league now for a few years.
6:376 minutes, 37 secondsHe's actually up 600% the last 12 months, and his last sale was 200 bucks.
6:436 minutes, 43 secondsI think for me, the conversation that needs to be had here is not so much about the pricing, but it's about the overall spike that this guy's
6:516 minutes, 51 secondsexperienced. And how much do you put into the Knicks players at the moment considering they're a lot of these cards
6:596 minutes, 59 secondsare essentially at an all-time high or even a co high? Do you just wait for this excitement just to boil down a little bit and come back to it? So why
7:077 minutes, 7 secondsdon't we just do this narrative once because I feel like we can sort of do this for every single Knicks players.
7:127 minutes, 12 secondsBut yes, we can.
7:137 minutes, 13 secondsYeah, I think that's for me this is the biggest question to talk about tonight.
7:187 minutes, 18 secondslike like from what like I was actually helping a friend sell his Carl Anthony Towns cards about a year ago, you know,
7:277 minutes, 27 secondsand we had this discussion about how like, oh, look, cat's not going to do much and you know, like cat like whatever price you can get for your cat,
7:357 minutes, 35 secondsthis is probably a good time, you know, while he's still playing, you know, is probably a good time. Um, and now you're
7:437 minutes, 43 secondsseeing, you know, that that spike that he's recently gotten now that he's got that chip. Um, but I think it's
7:507 minutes, 50 secondstemporary from, you know, like I feel there's going to be a kind of a honeymoon phase for the new for for the a lot of the New York Knicks players
7:587 minutes, 58 secondsand they're going to have this honeymoon phase. they're going to be at their all-time highs and you know they because
8:058 minutes, 5 secondsof the surge of stock that's getting into the market that's also going to generate the drop because you know when
8:138 minutes, 13 secondsthere's when there's not a lot of it there's a demand for it and then that drives price up but when everyone suddenly lists all their stuff there's
8:228 minutes, 22 secondsplenty of supply to deal with that demand and eventually there will be an over supply.
8:308 minutes, 30 secondsYeah, I I see what you're saying. I probably feel a bit different. Far away.
8:388 minutes, 38 secondsSo, this is my theory about these guys is that I think a lot of them are already undervalued. So, I think Carl Anthony Towns is chronically undervalued.
8:478 minutes, 47 secondsYeah.
8:488 minutes, 48 secondsOG definitely undervalued, but for all the reasons that a card would be undervalued, he's not a lead guard. He's
8:568 minutes, 56 secondsprimarily a defensive player. He's not on a fantastic large market team. You know, he came from the Raptors. Yep.
9:039 minutes, 3 secondsAnd so, I mean, funnily, you I think you could include Jaylen Brunson in this conversation. Muel Bridges absolutely in this conversation. And so,
9:129 minutes, 12 secondsthey're not the typical guys that are getting a lot of hobby love. Like, they're not a Jarant, they're not a Zan Williamson, they're not a Luca Donic.
9:189 minutes, 18 secondsAnd so, these guys do definitely fly under the radar. So, I think that the spike that we're seeing here is absolutely
9:269 minutes, 26 secondsrelated to the NBA finals and and nothing else. But I probably think what's going to happen out of this. So, see this nice little baseline that we've got here.
9:349 minutes, 34 secondsLet's just for round numbers call that baseline 50 bucks.
9:389 minutes, 38 secondsYeah, I probably expect this to settle. He's going to have a new baseline now of $1 to $150. I don't think he's going to stay up this high. I think that's going
9:469 minutes, 46 secondsto even out. But yeah, what what I think is going to happen for this whole Knicks team is that they're going to be competitive based.
9:559 minutes, 55 secondsYeah, they're going to be, but they're going to be competitive again next year, too, man. Yes.
9:599 minutes, 59 secondsLike, there's nothing that this team is going to do in the off season that's going to dramatically change the roster structure. Like, they'll bring all of these guys back.
10:1010 minutes, 10 secondsThey're all on pretty friendly contracts. They might lose one or two names. They might even add to the roster. like there's potential they
10:1710 minutes, 17 secondscould improve this roster. So, I don't expect to see any sort of drop off from that. What you might actually see from all of these guys, I would say OG in particular, he's going to be
10:2610 minutes, 26 secondsvolatile moving forward. He's he's not going to be somebody that Yeah, look at that.
10:3310 minutes, 33 secondsIt's I think this is all co, right? So, you can almost disregard that. Let's just sort of chop that out of the graph.
10:3910 minutes, 39 secondsIt's all pretty low here. It's not particularly volatile. No, you know, I definitely would be expecting to see him
10:4710 minutes, 47 secondsgo up a bit. Yeah, I think that's sort of my gut feeling on this one here. And I actually think it's really cool that these guys are actually getting a little
10:5510 minutes, 55 secondsbit hobby love cuz I like to see the OG of the world get a bit of hobby love. My follow-up question to you with the Kyle and Thiny Town stuff is how long had
11:0411 minutes, 4 secondsyour mate been holding on to this stuff for before he sold it last year?
11:0811 minutes, 8 secondsWell, he was a cat guy. So when Cat joined the league, so he'd been collecting Cat, you know, for for since the beginning. And then he was just kind of
11:1611 minutes, 16 secondsYeah. eventually he just kind of goes, you know what, he's not doing much in Minnesota.
11:2011 minutes, 20 secondsUm, you know, and I think this was like around the time of the initial trade for him to New York where he actually started playing better.
11:2911 minutes, 29 secondsLet's just say he picked up a few at around 400. So that's in 2017. Let's just say he bought another couple more in 2019. So 170 265.
11:4011 minutes, 40 secondsYep. I'm hoping he didn't buy too much in CO. Maybe he sold a little bit of it.
11:4511 minutes, 45 secondsMaybe he picked up a couple more here at 250. Yep.
11:4911 minutes, 49 secondsAnd then you said that he sold last year. Is that right? So he sold in 2025 which was around 240. So he actually might
11:5711 minutes, 57 secondshe might not have sustained that much damage. Yeah. No, he just break even really, you know, like it's just kind of a break even for him. Like, you know,
12:0412 minutes, 4 secondslike he we in all honesty, we didn't expect, you know, like Cat and the Knicks to make the noise that they made,
12:1212 minutes, 12 secondsyou know, like sweeping sweeping Atlanta, sweeping Philly, you know, no Boston to contend with, you know,
12:2012 minutes, 20 secondsDetroit. Detroit was a spanking, you know, like like we did not see a dominant run coming through, you know, anytime soon.
12:2912 minutes, 29 secondsSo if he's if his new baseline is 400, former number one overall pick, he's got the Kentucky connections, he's now got
12:3712 minutes, 37 secondsan NBA title, I'm totally fine with that. Like I hope this doesn't settle down back to 200. I don't think he deserves that.
12:4612 minutes, 46 secondsWell, you just got to kind of go back and see any other one time champions, you know, onetime champions and see where that that goes, you know? So like
12:5412 minutes, 54 secondsI guess what? Giannis might be the next best example. Clyde Draxler.
12:5812 minutes, 58 secondsClyde but because MVPs Hakee got two but Hakee was also an MVP.
13:0713 minutes, 7 secondsYou can't put KL Anthony Towns in the same conversation as Jiannis, man.
13:1013 minutes, 10 secondsThat's that's sacrilegious. [laughter] Well, we're just trying to find a new base for him, right? Like we're trying to find a new
13:1813 minutes, 18 secondsa new or does he just kind of forge his own path, you know?
13:2113 minutes, 21 secondsThis might be a this might be a follow-up conversation, man. Yeah.
13:2613 minutes, 26 secondsyou know, but sassy cat uh definitely did well this playoffs. And had my had my friend held on just a little bit
13:3413 minutes, 34 secondslonger, he probably would have been able to make a little extra cash.
13:3813 minutes, 38 secondsYeah. Uh we got Adam Tindle in the comments. How about them Knicks? Yeah, man. How about those Knicks? They um
13:4513 minutes, 45 secondsthey deserve every little bit of the flowers that they're getting at the moment, man. I'm actually really happy for Nick Knicks fans except for those
13:5313 minutes, 53 secondsguys who are wrecking stuff and assaulting people. I'm not all about that at all.
13:5813 minutes, 58 secondsI I don't think I've been this excited rooting for a team wanting them to win the chip as much as I had the Knicks. I
14:0614 minutes, 6 secondsthink Knicks fever really did catch me this year. Yeah.
14:0914 minutes, 9 secondsUm you know, I was watching and I me and my brother were like watching every step, every play, every minute. And you
14:1614 minutes, 16 secondsknow, it's it's it was a lot of fun watching them ascend and get the chip, you know, especially with like everyone already
14:2514 minutes, 25 secondsriding them off. Like we you know, like we we had all admittedly said, you know, like if OKC or Spurs win, one of them is going to take the chip,
14:3414 minutes, 34 secondsyou know, but you know, like that was the initial thought like but OKC wobbled in injured, you know, Spurs came in ready and just
14:4214 minutes, 42 secondssnatched it from them, you know. Yeah, it's again I find that really exciting about
14:5014 minutes, 50 secondsthe NBA that these tiny sort of slithery windows can open up. You know, yeah, Jason Tatum gets injured, Celtics are
14:5914 minutes, 59 secondsthey break up their core basically, the Thunder get knocked out and now here you go, the Knicks are winning a championship. It's just Yeah, I love that stuff.
15:0915 minutes, 9 secondsIt's just Yeah, you got to love it, man. That's why we we watch and we love it.
15:1315 minutes, 13 secondsUm, I I honestly I'm still I'm still two years away from having a team that can break my heart for 50 years. Um, I'm waiting for Vegas. That will be my team.
15:2315 minutes, 23 secondsI will support them 110% when they come on board.
15:2915 minutes, 29 secondsHey, um, can we just have a timeout for a second? I can hear like a a clicking noise in the background. Is that Yep.
15:3515 minutes, 35 secondsIs that a pen or is it a um That might be a pen. Uh, I think that might I'll turn off my little heater.
15:4115 minutes, 41 secondsThat will also get rid of the droning noise.
15:4315 minutes, 43 secondsNo, no, it's not joining it. It's a click. Okay.
15:4615 minutes, 46 secondsIt's like a sound like like that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Then that's the pen. I can stop playing with that.
15:5415 minutes, 54 secondsYeah, cuz it's coming through the mic. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Okay. Cool. Cool.
15:5715 minutes, 57 secondsAll righty. And we're back and we're going to be talking about Carl Anthony Towns. Let's talk about this kaboom. So,
16:0416 minutes, 4 secondssometimes we talk about silver PS 10s too much. Let's talk about some amazing cards.
16:1016 minutes, 10 secondsAll right. For me, the moral of this story is that kabooms that are tens are very valuable.
16:1716 minutes, 17 secondsAnd this one here is popped for from 2015. Excalibur.
16:2316 minutes, 23 secondsPeople that were picking this card up for 300 bucks, 1,000 bucks, $1,100. Honestly, congratulations to
16:3216 minutes, 32 secondsyou. This has just skyrocketed all the way up to 5,200. Wow.
16:3716 minutes, 37 secondsI know that's a timing sale. I I'm definitely I'm fully aware of that. But at the same time too, that's just a very very clever purchase.
16:4716 minutes, 47 secondsUm that just sold six days ago. Sorry, a clever sale is what I should be saying.
16:5316 minutes, 53 secondsI think there is something to be said about timing your sales and timing your purchases. And this is a very very good example of that.
17:0017 minutesOh yeah. like like like playoffs is the time, you know, like if you it's the time when most eyes are on the on the
17:0817 minutes, 8 secondsleague. It's the time when, you know, heroes are being born and it's the time when people are most excited. You know, Finals Fever is a real thing.
17:1817 minutes, 18 secondsYeah, definitely. I think more people tune in and watch it, too.
17:2217 minutes, 22 secondsIt is because like they're not die hards like you and I who just kind of like drink it in from day one. like like I you know like I'm so addicted to
17:3017 minutes, 30 secondsbasketball I've recently started watching WNBA and I have subscribed to WNBA so I could watch WNBA now. So [laughter] that's how much of a
17:3917 minutes, 39 secondsdegenerate and an addict I am for NBA and basketball product.
17:4317 minutes, 43 secondsWhat's your threeline summary of the WNBA?
17:4717 minutes, 47 secondsUh three lines look I it's it is it is very topheavy. So the strongest teams generally dominate.
17:5517 minutes, 55 secondsYeah. Um the the the talent level is getting way better like you know like there's just like this there's this girl
18:0418 minutes, 4 secondsOlivia Miles at Minnesota and she's a rookie and she's just doing ridiculous things right now you know like she's
18:1218 minutes, 12 secondsgoing to be a top five you know like like easily top 10 right now and yeah she's a rookie and you know like amazing
18:2018 minutes, 20 secondsamazing talent coming through you know look there's no dunks but like the skill
18:2518 minutes, 25 seconds[clears throat]
18:2618 minutes, 26 secondsAnd the the technique is there like the shooting, the shot making is definitely can dunk, can't she?
18:3318 minutes, 33 secondsYeah, sort of. You know, like but there's not like it's not like a like a like like a Stephan Castle putback dunk, you know. No, but I think like I watched WNBA for the
18:4218 minutes, 42 secondscompetition as well as like the defensively like there is a lot of like you know like I like the other day I was watching you know was it Toronto make
18:5118 minutes, 51 secondstheir massive comeback with Mabberry drilling threes left, right, and center and like they had no business getting back into that game. But I was as
18:5918 minutes, 59 secondsequally invested into this game and them winning it and also having my heart ripped out when the mystics and Citron
19:0819 minutes, 8 secondsgot the tip and she threw a fade away two and a drilled swish and you know I felt I felt that that dagger in my
19:1719 minutes, 17 secondsheart, [laughter] you know. So I I look I I love I love it.
19:2119 minutes, 21 secondsWere you also gambling on this game at the same time?
19:2419 minutes, 24 secondsI was I was but [laughter] I had I I I already had won by that point. So, I was I was I was invested for Toronto. Like,
19:3219 minutes, 32 secondsI was invested for Toronto. Not for my own sake. I had already made my money.
19:3719 minutes, 37 seconds[laughter]
19:3919 minutes, 39 secondsAll right. Now, somehow we talked about the WNBA before we talked about Jaylen Bronson. We need to fix this ASAP.
19:4619 minutes, 46 secondsYes. Yes. Sorry. In the true nature of uh you can compass, we have segue.
19:5119 minutes, 51 secondsExactly. Exactly. This is how we roll, man. All right. So, just my own sort of little confession here. I got a bit panicky when
19:5819 minutes, 58 secondsthe Knicks made it all the way to the finals and then Brunson played as well as he did and I was like, have I ever spoken about Brunson on the
20:0620 minutes, 6 secondsshow? Because a lot of the stuff I talk about is a little bit of a blur. I remember some of the stuff I talk about, but not everything. So, I actually went
20:1220 minutes, 12 secondson to AI because every transcript from the show I've uploaded to the internet.
20:1820 minutes, 18 secondsSo, it's all out there in the in the ether.
20:2220 minutes, 22 secondsAnd uh AI actually said I have spoken about Brunson multiple times and there's three main things that I've spoken about with him
20:3120 minutes, 31 secondsis that when he played for Dallas, we called him like a low-end prospect to buy behind Luca. So I was like fantastic.
20:3920 minutes, 39 secondsThen when he got traded to the Knicks, we said oh he'll probably get a bit of a bump because he's in a bigger market now. And then when his sky prices
20:4820 minutes, 48 secondsstarted to go up higher, I was like, actually, you should probably be a little bit careful.
20:5520 minutes, 55 secondsI'm not too sure how well this is going to go. So, it's a very much like my SGA call, which was which was wrong. Yeah.
21:0321 minutes, 3 secondsUm, he's gone up significantly more. So, he peaked recently at 2,150. He's currently trading at 1,605.
21:1221 minutes, 12 secondsBut even if you chop out those higher sales, he is still up a lot. So the last the last 3 months, he's up 369%.
21:2321 minutes, 23 secondsAnd I suppose, oh, this is the same question, isn't it? What's his new baseline going to be? Cuz he really the last 3 months his baseline was like 350, 360.
21:3321 minutes, 33 secondsWhat do you think he's going to settle back in at, mate?
21:3721 minutes, 37 secondsI think the new normal for him will be somewhere around a thousand. Yeah, you know, like like I I' I'd think it'll just settle around somewhere like there.
21:4621 minutes, 46 secondsUm 1,600 2,000 that is that is the honeymoon phase. People are hot. People are excited. Um he eventually it will
21:5621 minutes, 56 secondscool off and people will be wondering, oh, can he double, you know, can he can he go for a two Pete, you know, and go again for another finals run? And, you
22:0522 minutes, 5 secondsknow, we're going to have to wait until NBA opens up, you know, to find that out. Uh, and also this time next year to find that out.
22:1622 minutes, 16 secondsYeah, I think the thousand club though is pretty exclusive. And so,
22:2222 minutes, 22 secondswhile I think he deserves it, my question is, will he stay in that $1,000 club?
22:3022 minutes, 30 secondsThe reason why I think he might be able to is because
22:3722 minutes, 37 secondsI think what he's done for New York is amazing. And there's not that many athletes who have ever been a sports story like this.
22:4622 minutes, 46 secondsNo. The other thing why I think he's the a man of the people is the discount that he took to enable the Knicks to build this amazing team around him. And I think you can't let that narrative go.
22:5922 minutes, 59 secondsAnd people love sports narratives. They love stories in sports. And this for me is a crazy story. So essentially what
23:0723 minutes, 7 secondsI'm trying to say here in a very long-winded way, I think all the New Yorkers going to adopt this kid like their own. And so
23:1523 minutes, 15 secondsI suspect that that sort of big money that's put into Nick's rookie cards, that money is now going to go into
23:2223 minutes, 22 secondsBrunson cards. I I really hope that that is the case. And I suppose the other thing that I've taken away
23:3023 minutes, 30 secondsfrom this NBA finals too is that am I over prospecting and have I been
23:3723 minutes, 37 secondsmissing the really obvious ones in my face the last couple of years? Like while all this time I've been focusing on Jamaran and Z Williamson, should I
23:4623 minutes, 46 secondsactually have been focused on SGA, Jaylen Brunson, and WBY? like cut out all the other noise and just go
23:5523 minutes, 55 secondswho is the best three or five players in the NBA right now?
24:0024 minutesKevin Durant, LeBron James, SBA, Brunson, that's it. Yeah. Yeah.
24:0624 minutes, 6 secondsAnd that's all we talk about. You know, we don't do these deep dives into Zion's knee and his injuries and his weight and
24:1324 minutes, 13 secondsall this other stuff. Like it's And funny enough, Zion actually was probably a more durable version of
24:2024 minutes, 20 secondshimself this year. He did he did shave off the weight. He was he was on the court more.
24:2624 minutes, 26 secondsBut when I mean John Michaels said the same thing, right? But we're still prospecting, man. Like we're still hoping.
24:3224 minutes, 32 secondsYeah. We're still looking for the next great hope, you know? Um we're already we're already like But you know what though, hobbyists and collectors, they love looking ahead.
24:4224 minutes, 42 secondsWe are as as a hobby, I think in general, card collectors, we we we have
24:4824 minutes, 48 secondsvery short attention spans. Um and and especially like you know the ones who are prospecting for the next great lottery ticket about two weeks attention span I reckon.
24:5924 minutes, 59 secondsYep. And then we'll start thinking about the next year. We start we'll start looking at the really loaded drafts you know that's going to come out next year
25:0725 minutes, 7 secondsand forget about you know forget about the great draft that we had this year.
25:1125 minutes, 11 secondsYou know there this year's rookie class really did show out and really did play really well. Um, you know, I think I
25:2025 minutes, 20 secondsthink like was it one of them that definitely comes to mind straight away is is uh is Harper.
25:2525 minutes, 25 secondsYou know, he he really came out and he really showed maturity and and you know and and
25:3425 minutes, 34 secondspoise and aggressiveness in a in a rookie that we had never seen in a while, you know. He was like what that that
25:4325 minutes, 43 secondslast game he was like the number two scorer right behind WBY.
25:4625 minutes, 46 secondsYeah. you know, and yeah, like Stephen Castle was nowhere to be seen, but Stephen Castle was great throughout the whole playoffs, so I'm not going to I'm
25:5425 minutes, 54 secondsnot going to rat I'm not going to dump on him, but he had that last game. He didn't really show up. You know, Harper did.
26:0326 minutes, 3 secondsI think Harper's game is so smooth and he's a rookie and I think his game is built on
26:1126 minutes, 11 secondsstrength and positioning and skill. And I think all of those things are just going to get better.
26:2026 minutes, 20 secondsYeah.
26:2026 minutes, 20 secondsLike I I can't wait to see him when he grows into his body a bit more and he can bully people around the basket. Like he's already doing it now as a rookie.
26:2926 minutes, 29 secondsSo what is he going to be able to do in say you know two more years and again like his timing is going to be better in two more years. I think and again his game is built on that but it's still
26:3826 minutes, 38 secondsgoing to get better. So I think that's the part where I'm I'm going crazy for Harper at the moment. I think Mhm.
26:4326 minutes, 43 secondsif you're a Spurs fan and you like Dylan Harper, like you have to be happy right now.
26:4926 minutes, 49 secondsI think there's a lot to be excited about in that space. Yeah.
26:5226 minutes, 52 secondsOh, they've nailed it. Like they nailed it with Harper. They nailed it with Stephan Castle.
26:5726 minutes, 57 secondsYou know, WBY was a no-brainer obviously. But like Yeah, definitely picking the picks they did. They traded up to get Dylan Harper
27:0527 minutes, 5 secondsand absolutely walked away this year with probably the steal of the draft. Yeah.
27:1027 minutes, 10 secondsYou know, like Yes. Yes. You know, like yes, Cooper Flag is, you know, a talent, but you know, Dylan, I don't
27:1827 minutes, 18 secondsthink you put him in the bright lights of the playoffs. You know, Cooper and Khan, you know, would have been Look, we saw they weren't there. They didn't make it.
27:2927 minutes, 29 secondsI think Edgecomb is very good. Yeah. Canapple is a generational shooter. Yes. The rest of it, we'll see.
27:3727 minutes, 37 secondsAnd we had that talk last time about Canapple. like his prices are fetching some insane numbers, but you know what is his peak? What is he, you know, what
27:4527 minutes, 45 secondsis he going to end up being? Can he can he end up being a Clay Thompson? Can he end up being without going too far like down the rabbit hole on this, his prices have gone down a lot.
27:5527 minutes, 55 secondsWe warned about that.
27:5727 minutes, 57 secondsIf you are excited about Cano, go and check his prices and, you know, maybe get on some bids because he is he's down
28:0428 minutes, 4 secondslike 60% or something ridiculous, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And that that was to be expected.
28:0828 minutes, 8 secondsWe talked about it last time where we're like this these prices are Stephen Curry prices for Canapple and you know like yes he's broken some
28:1628 minutes, 16 secondsrecords but like where does he where's he going to end up? Is he going to end up like Klay Thompson you know where and then you look at Klay
28:2428 minutes, 24 secondsThompson's prices right like phenomenal shooter generational talent generational shooter one of the best to ever lace him
28:3128 minutes, 31 secondsup and you can see his prices sit where they are. I kind of have a feeling that Khan's prices will land around there, too.
28:3828 minutes, 38 secondsYeah. So, you think Harper's the second best player in this draft?
28:4228 minutes, 42 secondsI think I think so. Right behind like why not? Like he's he's definitely he's definitely up there. Like the argument can be had between all three of them,
28:4928 minutes, 49 secondsyou know, like like we just didn't get to see Flag and Khan in in the finals, you know, like make it all the way.
28:5628 minutes, 56 secondsWhat a great draft this is. Flag, Har, Edge, Canapple, Ace Bailey.
29:0229 minutes, 2 secondsLike that's fantastic, isn't it? I'm telling you, man. This is this is a really good draft. We're going to look back on this draft and go like, there's some really great talents. Edgekim was a
29:1129 minutes, 11 secondsgreat talent. Coward played well. You know, there's that Sacramento kid, you know, like out in Sacramento, the center, who's basically a new coming of
29:1929 minutes, 19 secondsDamantis, you know, the French kid. Um, they there's some really good young talent coming through.
29:2629 minutes, 26 secondsYeah. So, uh, Tops Chrome, Dylan Harper, PSA 10, last sold for 1,400 bucks. I think this is actually terrible. I think this is horribly, horribly overpriced.
29:3929 minutes, 39 seconds[laughter]
29:4029 minutes, 40 secondsLook, people out there who are buying this, I'm not throwing shade at you. I'm just saying you could buy that or you
29:4729 minutes, 47 secondscould purchase two Jason Tatum silver PSA 10s for basically the same price.
29:5329 minutes, 53 secondsAnd so, what else do you really need to say at that point? I mean, the comparison pricing, right?
30:0030 minutesLike and that's how I kind of judge my I I kind of judge when I make my purchases. You have to comparison pricing, man.
30:0730 minutes, 7 secondsOtherwise, like how do you why do you buy a LeBron James instead of a Jordan then? Or Well, you know.
30:1330 minutes, 13 secondsYeah, that's the thing. And that's like the reason why likewise a lot of the time I have to justify my shack purchases. So, when you blind up a $10,000 shack in front of me,
30:2230 minutes, 22 secondsI have to then kind of go like, wait, what can I get for $10,000? And obviously the answer is yes. You know, like like I like like an MJ an MJ UNC autograph is less than 10.
30:3430 minutes, 34 secondsYeah.
30:3530 minutes, 35 secondsSo, it's just like do you want a Michael Jordan autograph or do you want this $10,000 insert of Shaq? And like yes, I
30:4230 minutes, 42 secondsam the Shaq guy. I know I should be saying Shaq every time, but you know, like the MJ UNC autograph is going to go
30:4930 minutes, 49 secondsup. That will that's that's that's con that's constantly going up in value.
30:5430 minutes, 54 secondsYeah. you know, and he's much older and people are starting to wake up to, you know, certain cards of MJ's and there's
31:0231 minutes, 2 secondsjust this absolute his pricing is just absurd. MJ. So, all right, we're done with Dylan Harper.
31:1031 minutes, 10 secondsDo we need to finish off Jaylen Brunson?
31:1231 minutes, 12 secondsBecause I feel like we we seged pretty hard on that one.
31:1431 minutes, 14 secondsYeah, I think I think look, Jaylen Jaylen deserves all the flowers and like you said, Yeah, definitely. We should give this guy a bit more praise.
31:2131 minutes, 21 secondsHe's he sacrificed for the greater of the team and his sacrifice is the reason why they managed to flank him with such good talent like OG like Macau Bridges
31:3131 minutes, 31 secondslike Josh Hart you know like not often do players take pay cuts man like especially the pay cut he took I think
31:3831 minutes, 38 secondsit was worth a hundred million was the pay cut he took in the end and dude
31:4531 minutes, 45 secondsthat's huge you know and like they they they you know when the comparison is like you like like LeBron, why doesn't
31:5331 minutes, 53 secondshe take a pay cut so that his his team could be better, you know, and you know, just some some players are built different. I'm going to say leave it at that.
32:0232 minutes, 2 secondsYeah, definitely. I I feel like when I hear stories like that, I'm just really glad that he then did get to win the championship because can you imagine
32:1032 minutes, 10 secondstaking that massive pay cut and not then not winning a championship?
32:1432 minutes, 14 secondsI think that will be very difficult to manage. But here we are. We have to talk about this. This is the one of one Nebula.
32:2132 minutes, 21 secondsI think everyone at this point has seen all the screenshots floating around from a blowout forum from back in the day.
32:2732 minutes, 27 secondsY when the owner of this card was trying to get 300 bucks for it. I've read a couple of different stories on this that
32:3432 minutes, 34 secondshe didn't actually sell it for $300 and he now sold it for $96,000 which is what it just sold at auction just in the last
32:4232 minutes, 42 secondscouple of weeks. I've also read stories where he did sell it for $300 and now
32:4932 minutes, 49 secondsthe next person sold it on for 96k. So, do you know the the truth of that story or do we just want to let it become a myth?
32:5932 minutes, 59 secondsI think it's just a myth at this stage, man. Uh it's it's kind of like it's kind of like trying to track the lineage of some of these cards is pretty tough, you
33:0733 minutes, 7 secondsknow? I don't Not many people want to want to admit that they let the the bag get away. Yeah.
33:1433 minutes, 14 secondsAnd not many people want to admit that they made mistakes. And we all do, man.
33:1733 minutes, 17 secondsIt's the hobby. Like, um, that's a tough one. Yeah. Look, um, all of us all of us have dirt.
33:2333 minutes, 23 secondsLike, all of us have have backdrops that we've like, you know, we've sold too early on players or didn't buy in when
33:3033 minutes, 30 secondswe had opportunity or there's just so much of it. Yeah.
33:3633 minutes, 36 secondsSo, no. Congratulations to the guy who did though. That is a huge buy. And that's a perfectly timed sale, too.
33:4333 minutes, 43 secondsWho would have thought? 90 from 300 to 96,000. Yeah. No, that's crazy. Yeah.
33:5033 minutes, 50 secondsAll right, we might as well talk about this one, too. So, this one sold in December of 24, and that sold for 79,000. So, for basically 2 years, that
33:5933 minutes, 59 secondswas the highest Jaylen Bronson card in existence. That's one of one
34:0634 minutes, 6 secondsnational treasures logo. And yeah, I mean, what would that be worth now? Probably double at this point.
34:1634 minutes, 16 secondsWell, we'll definitely have to put it into the doubles range. Maybe even the quarter million range. Yeah.
34:2234 minutes, 22 secondsYou know, those New York Knicks fans, man, they are they got deep pockets.
34:2634 minutes, 26 secondsThey can afford courtside seats at Was it 100k plus?
34:3034 minutes, 30 secondsYou're probably right, man. Because the other thing too is like logoman is sort of going through a trend at the moment for being collectible and being collected by
34:3834 minutes, 38 secondshigh-end Yep.
34:4034 minutes, 40 secondshuge collectors maybe in investment groups. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
34:4534 minutes, 45 secondsYou know, like Yeah. Like look, the guy who can afford a courtside seat can also be the very much the guy who's not going to sneeze at a at a at a at a a $200,000 card.
34:5534 minutes, 55 secondsYeah. All right. We're getting into the prospecting part of the night, but that's totally cool. This is like my jam. Muel Bridges. I like this kid. I've liked him for a long time.
35:0535 minutes, 5 secondsAnd I think this one for me is a little bit of a bitter pill to swallow because I would have hoped that his prices would
35:1335 minutes, 13 secondshave been higher than $73 during the spike. I would hope that his price would be $73 as a baseline, but yeah,
35:2135 minutes, 21 secondshe's currently trading at $73. So, I think if you're holding bridges, you should probably be looking at to try to sell him because this might be his peak.
35:3135 minutes, 31 secondsHe He didn't do any favors for himself in the last three games, though. He just
35:3835 minutes, 38 secondshe he had a great earlier serieses. He was playing very well in the early going for the playoffs.
35:4535 minutes, 45 secondsI don't know what happened. Either somebody flicked off a switch or something changed in his daily mantra.
35:5235 minutes, 52 secondsHe just didn't show up, you know, until probably that last game where he started scoring a little bit, but like Yeah, look,
36:0036 minutesyou know, they needed him to score. They really needed him to score. He just wasn't wasn't getting it done. Like, I can
36:0936 minutes, 9 secondsexcuse Josh Hart. I know Josh Hart's play. He's a hard-nosed bucket pale New York Knicks kind of guy. Goes out and
36:1636 minutes, 16 secondsgrabs boards and gets assists. He doesn't actually It's not his job to score Josh Hart. But Muel's his actually.
36:2536 minutes, 25 secondsI I just feel like when he was on the court, they just played better. Even if he wasn't shooting well, all the other stuff that he does, like the passing, the rebounding,
36:3436 minutes, 34 secondseven he was screening a little bit in that series, too, which I thought was pretty interesting.
36:3836 minutes, 38 secondsYeah. Yeah. It just I don't know. I just like it just the the stats didn't match the the effort, you know what I mean? Yeah.
36:4736 minutes, 47 secondsLike the previous series, he was just like lights out.
36:5036 minutes, 50 secondsYeah. And he can. He's He can He can shoot. Yeah. All right, let's talk about this big boy.
36:5736 minutes, 57 secondsWe've gone from kicking around scrubs in the dollar bins to all the way to the tippy top here.
37:0537 minutes, 5 secondsSo, we next up we're going to talk about Wem Ban Yama Victor 2023 rookie. He was
37:1237 minutes, 12 secondspopulation on this silver PSA 10 is 5,138.
37:1737 minutes, 17 secondsLet's call his baseline $1,500. In January of 26, he spiked all the way up to $4,090.
37:2637 minutes, 26 secondsLook, I I saw a few shorts from the guys from Sports Cards Nonsense talking about this, saying that sell into the hype.
37:3437 minutes, 34 secondsHe bought it at 2,000 and sold it for three and a half, and he was happy to take his $1,500 profit.
37:4137 minutes, 41 secondsYep. I then saw another follow-up video of him saying like, "I told you dummies to sell cuz now it's down to $2,750.
37:4837 minutes, 48 secondsThe last sale was $2,600." Look, I'm really, really, really torn on
37:5637 minutes, 56 secondsthis guy as a prospect because I just don't know where this card's going to end up at. Is it going to end
38:0338 minutes, 3 secondsup as a $200 card? Is this going to be a $10,000 card? Like, I'm that's where my head's at with this guy. So, I'd love to hear your insights on this, man.
38:1338 minutes, 13 secondsI I was actually having a long long debate with a friend of mine about WBY the other day. And yeah, right.
38:1938 minutes, 19 secondsThe conclusion of that debate was I was actually before this playoffs, I was kind of in the boat of like, "Yeah, look, sell high. This is hyped. He's
38:2738 minutes, 27 secondsoverhyped. You're, you know, it's time to sell him." But as I kept watching the series and as I kept watching his growth
38:3538 minutes, 35 secondsand maturity in the playoffs, you know, as a player, not as a person, just as a player, you know, like
38:4238 minutes, 42 secondsare you referring to him walking off the court not shaking people's hands? Is that how you as a as a person? He's shown he's being a bit of a douche, you know, like like
38:5038 minutes, 50 secondsso so you know, but like as as like you know, like I didn't I didn't love that elbow to Naz Reed's face either. I didn't mind that.
38:5938 minutes, 59 secondsLike like people go out there and try and hurt him on a nightly basis. So actually I don't know what's happened with that.
39:0539 minutes, 5 secondsYeah. But like you know like like like he just I don't know he didn't he didn't ingratiate himself. He kind of turned
39:1239 minutes, 12 secondsinto women and villainyama. Like he just kind of became more of a villain in the series as it as it progressed. And
39:1939 minutes, 19 secondsbecause the problem with not shaking people's hands is that goes down in the history of like old bad guys because Isaiah Thomas
39:2639 minutes, 26 secondsnot shaking hands with Jordan when they lost that people haven't forgotten that. No. No, they don't.
39:3139 minutes, 31 secondsAnd that was preocial media. So what are people going to say about WBY in the Instagram era?
39:3839 minutes, 38 secondsI think look he's young. He's real. He is really a kid, man. Like he's he's he's young, you know, like him telling his two teammates to put a hit on Jared
39:4739 minutes, 47 secondsMcCain, you know, like his, you know, and he's just he's young. He's like he's gotten thrown.
39:5439 minutes, 54 secondsYeah. He's gotten thrown the keys to the kingdom at 22. You're right.
39:5739 minutes, 57 secondsAnd just like just like Cooper Flag, they've both been kind of thrown into the driver's seat in a position where most people don't get thrown into this
40:0540 minutes, 5 secondsdriver's seat maybe for another two more, three more years.
40:0840 minutes, 8 secondsYeah. you know, so they're like they're babies in the NBA and they already been given the keys to the castle. So, you
40:1540 minutes, 15 secondsknow, in terms of him as a player, sky's the limit, you know, we already seen in what year two he's already defensive player of the year and he was a
40:2340 minutes, 23 secondscontender for the MVP. Um, you know, so like let's see what happens. And I, for me, this price is probably still going
40:3040 minutes, 30 secondsto keep up. there's still room to move up, you know, because because him as a player, we've only seen defensive player of the yearama.
40:4040 minutes, 40 secondsWe haven't seen MVP Webinama. And then we also haven't seen NBA Finals champion Webyama.
40:4940 minutes, 49 secondsYou know, so these are these are kind of two WebEyamas we kind of need to see first before we can call it quits on his values. And he's already at this value.
40:5840 minutes, 58 secondsAnd this this spiked while he was, you know, playing against OKC when everyone was like, "Holy smokes, this guy just
41:0541 minutes, 5 secondsblocked the living snot out of everybody, you know, like that that 12 block series, you know, to open up a series.
41:1341 minutes, 13 secondsThat's like we haven't seen that, man. We haven't seen that happen." You know, drop 30 points on you, shoot
41:1941 minutes, 19 secondsthrees, block shots. Like he he is a factor. Like every time a player dribbled in, there is no stat for that
41:2641 minutes, 26 secondswhere they go like, "Oh, forget it." You know, like there's this 7 foot five monster standing in the paint. I'm going to just like just drive on by. There's
41:3541 minutes, 35 secondsno stat to say he deviated that player, but he deviated thousands of players and deterred them from making attacks on the paint.
41:4241 minutes, 42 secondsThat that is a massive problem with the NBA, the way the stats are reported. How do you track a good defender? I'm going to die on that hill forever. Yeah.
41:5041 minutes, 50 secondsSo, like he's he's not done yet. I feel he's not done yet. This This is probably You know how we always talk about how like players need to get their battle scars before they can earn their chip.
42:0142 minutes, 1 secondYeah. So, this is Weby's battle scar. Yeah. Yeah.
42:0442 minutes, 4 secondsAnd he's going to wear I'm fine with that analogy.
42:0742 minutes, 7 secondsHe's going to wear this. He's going to wear this. He's going to wear that no handshake shame. He's going to like wear this, you know, when he disappeared, you
42:1542 minutes, 15 secondsknow, you know, into the finals, you know, like WebMy's a choker, you know, in the last, you know, couple of minutes. He just can't handle the ball.
42:2242 minutes, 22 secondsHe's gonna remember all of this. He's taking I don't think he choked, man.
42:2742 minutes, 27 secondsOh, man. He threw a ball off the back of Stephan Castle's back. So, that was bad. That was That was bad. He missed a couple of like he missed free throws towards like, you know, key moments in a lot of games.
42:3842 minutes, 38 secondsBut in that instance, is that Weby's fault or is that Castle's fault for not watching the ball?
42:4342 minutes, 43 secondsWe can argue this to the end of the end of time, but you know, like he's controlling the ball. it. That pass came off his hands, man.
42:5242 minutes, 52 secondsUm I actually I was thinking about that, too. I wonder if Castle's like Wemby's the man. He's gonna dribble down and
42:5942 minutes, 59 secondstake the final shot. And that's what happens in the NBA cuz there was no eye contact between them when he made the pass.
43:0643 minutes, 6 secondsThere was just Stefan Castle looked he glanced over and then he started running forward full getting out of the way.
43:1343 minutes, 13 secondsHe's like he looked over and saw Wy coming and he's like I'm going to get the [ __ ] out of the way and he just like ran towards the base to towards the
43:2043 minutes, 20 secondssideline to get out of the way so WBY had space to cut back in the Michael Jordan call.
43:2743 minutes, 27 secondsYep. You know, so like so like yeah, he missed vital free throws, you know, like he the ball was in his hands to close
43:3543 minutes, 35 secondssome games. He just didn't make them, you know. So he's going to wear these.
43:3943 minutes, 39 secondsHe's going to remember these. He's going to take notes.
43:4143 minutes, 41 secondsSo That's a perfect segue. That's what Fox was brought in for to do the clutch shooting at the end.
43:4743 minutes, 47 secondsYeah, but you know, Fox turned into uh into worse than a pumpkin towards the end of that.
43:5543 minutes, 55 secondsI mean, look, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
43:5743 minutes, 57 secondsI think I think you should probably lead this next part because I'm I'm genuinely disappointed. Like for me, I actually had a realization this
44:0544 minutes, 5 secondsplayoff series and that I've never felt emotionally attached to a team before, but I I now realize that I'm one of
44:1344 minutes, 13 secondsthose fans that doesn't have a team and follows players around. Like I'm at this point in time, I'm emotionally attached to Darren Fox. and when
44:2244 minutes, 22 secondsall that crap he cpped afterwards in the Instagram posts and the social media posts like the joke that's going around saying that he should be traded to the
44:3144 minutes, 31 secondsNets and the Spurs have to include draft picks to compensate the Nets like
44:3744 minutes, 37 secondsthat stuff kind of stung me and I'm like it's just I don't think it's deserved.
44:4244 minutes, 42 secondsSo clearly York and then and the New York Knicks fans making Fox jerseys [laughter] like
44:5144 minutes, 51 secondsThat's next level, man. That's next level trolley.
44:5444 minutes, 54 secondsSo, I don't think I'm emotionally able to comment on this. It's too sort of raw for me. I think you should do the analysis on Darren Fox at the moment.
45:0245 minutes, 2 secondsCurrently trading at $92, population 600. Fox, man. Look, he he he had his moment.
45:1145 minutes, 11 secondsI I felt he had a moment in time when he was, you know, at Sacramento and leading
45:1845 minutes, 18 secondsthe charge with the beam. And I felt that that was, you know, that was the most winningest Sacramento. And I was excited for Fox and Sacramento at that
45:2745 minutes, 27 secondstime. But after they broke it up, I just haven't seen the same old Fox, you know, ever since.
45:3445 minutes, 34 secondsHe's uh he's he's slowly I look I like to see I like look I like to give NBA players uh grace, you know, he was he
45:4345 minutes, 43 secondswas pretty hurt a lot of this he was banged up and he was coming off an injury. think that definitely is part of it, but I don't think that's 100% for his play over the series.
45:5345 minutes, 53 secondsNo. And he just made some really really bonehead plays. Um he'll probably join Jr. Smith in the Shack in the full
46:0046 minutesannals for for silliest plays in the finals. Yeah.
46:0446 minutes, 4 secondsUm you know, do you think that he'll be the scapegoat and they'll trade him?
46:1346 minutes, 13 secondsOh, I don't think Sacramento are like that.
46:1646 minutes, 16 secondsHonestly, I've also not Spurs. I just don't think the Spurs are like that as a unit, as a team. I don't feel that
46:2446 minutes, 24 secondsthey're they're like that in terms of management, you know, like I've never really felt that from them before in the past and I've never felt that from them now.
46:3146 minutes, 31 secondsLike, you know, like they're going to throw somebody under the bus and blame them for it.
46:3646 minutes, 36 secondsYou know, like if they trade Fox, his prices are $60 now. It'll be$25 or $30.
46:4246 minutes, 42 secondsThat will be the the death knock on his value.
46:4546 minutes, 45 secondsYeah, for sure. Um, you know, if on the bright side, as I was telling you, it's a good time to buy. Uh, it probably wouldn't be it
46:5446 minutes, 54 secondswouldn't be any any lower than it is now, right?
46:5746 minutes, 57 secondsLook, I bought one today, but I don't know how good I feel about [laughter] it. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, you're like, actually, it could get worse. It could get worse, though. That's the thing.
47:0747 minutes, 7 secondsI mean, I mean, look, you can you can ask the Ben Simmons collectors.
47:1147 minutes, 11 seconds[laughter]
47:1147 minutes, 11 secondsThat's right. It could get worse. about their thoughts on this cuz like like I I had a friend who was a hardcore Ben
47:1947 minutes, 19 secondsSimmons collector and he died on that hill I think. Rest in peace. Rest in peace buddy.
47:2547 minutes, 25 secondsMan, you might have to hook me up with this guy so I I can you know get a grip on my life at this point.
47:3047 minutes, 30 secondsUm but look for me like I mean there's a reason why I don't prospect. There's a reason why I haven't bought any of the new rookies. There's a reason why I
47:3847 minutes, 38 secondshaven't opened any new product. I just I'm very retro. I buy a lot of my retro cards. I've been chasing a lot of the
47:4547 minutes, 45 secondshard harder to get uh old school cards, which is why my buying habits have really dried up. I've really tightened
47:5347 minutes, 53 secondsup the purse in order to save up big to buy the bigger pieces. Yep.
47:5947 minutes, 59 secondsNo, that totally makes sense, man. All righty, Stefon Castle.
48:0748 minutes, 7 secondsLet's talk about this kid. I love this kid. I love this guy.
48:1248 minutes, 12 secondsI don't love this kid. So tell me why you love him and then I'll tell you why I don't love him.
48:1848 minutes, 18 secondsLook, secondy year guy, look, he's a little turnover prone, but he does get the highlight reels. He does play hard.
48:2548 minutes, 25 secondsHe is aggressive. Uh I think he just look with maturity, he will tighten, he will clean up, and he will stop making
48:3248 minutes, 32 secondsthose bad turnovers um which hurt the team ultimately. But he's a shot maker.
48:3748 minutes, 37 secondsHe has no problems making shots, taking them. He has no problems attacking the rim. You know, athletically, he is quite
48:4448 minutes, 44 secondsgifted. You know, I think they've got a really good one-two punch with him and Dylan Harper at the reigns.
48:5248 minutes, 52 secondsAll right. My take on this guy is that he is a forward in a guard's body. I don't think he has point guard skills.
49:0149 minutes, 1 secondSo that to me, which explains the turnovers, yeah, would imply that he should be playing the shooting guard, but I don't think he's got the shooting technique to
49:0949 minutes, 9 secondsbe a two guard. So I think if he was a bit bigger, he would be the perfect small forward
49:1649 minutes, 16 secondsand he would have a very good NBA career. My issue with him is that I think he's a very poor man's Russell
49:2449 minutes, 24 secondsWestbrook. cuz if you remember Westbrook when he came into the league y he actually didn't play point guard in
49:3149 minutes, 31 secondscollege and so he was basically thrown into this situation with Sam Prey prey and prey
49:3949 minutes, 39 secondsbelieved in him and and all the rest of it and he had the chance and the repetitions at an NBA level to be like a lead guard and we the rest is
49:4749 minutes, 47 secondshistory right so I think that's the high end of what Castle's career could to be going into or it could be the other way he does doesn't
49:5449 minutes, 54 secondsget the repetitions. He doesn't pick up the nuances of being a point guard. And you know, I probably think that's where
50:0350 minutes, 3 secondsit's going to go to. But at the same time, my bias also could be because I want to
50:1150 minutes, 11 secondssubconsciously see this guy do badly so that Darren Fox gets more playing time.
50:1550 minutes, 15 secondsSo, do you know what I mean? All that stuff is like [laughter] going through my head. I just don't think he's that great of a point guard. I like I actually think when they play three
50:2350 minutes, 23 secondsguards at at the same time and he plays the third ball handler actually that's amazing and that's very difficult to defend and if
50:3150 minutes, 31 secondsthat's the case and they can somehow work out the defensive matchups actually that might be very effective. So you I don't think it doesn't mean that these three guards
50:4050 minutes, 40 secondscan't play together but I personally think one of these three guards is going to be traded.
50:4550 minutes, 45 secondsYeah, I kind of hope it's castle but who knows what's going to happen. I I think look castle is still young and that's the problem with that. So if anyone's going
50:5450 minutes, 54 secondsto get traded it would be Fox u but the problem is is that if it's Fox then you you're trading him at lowest value.
51:0151 minutes, 1 secondYou're not getting a great return on your investment for him and you would have to match salary too which is going like 50 55 $60 million the next few years. So it's going to be
51:0951 minutes, 9 secondsa really interesting thing for them to work out. Castle's prices are $720.
51:1651 minutes, 16 secondspopulation is 522 on a silver PSA 10.
51:2051 minutes, 20 secondsThe spike is there that you would see through the finals.
51:2451 minutes, 24 secondsAgain, I'm gonna take this back to Jason Tatum. I can have a Tatum at $800 or I can have this at 720. I I don't think this is a conversation. I think this is overpriced.
51:3451 minutes, 34 secondsI think this is all speculation at this point in time and and nothing else. Yeah. Well, you're hoping for what was it?
51:4251 minutes, 42 secondsHe's essentially meant to be the Robin of the team, you know? So, like WebM is always going to be Batman, you know, the Batman theory where like, yeah, WBY is Batman.
51:5251 minutes, 52 secondsEverybody else is going to either be Robin or potentially Alfred at this stage because this kid is not Scotty Pippen, though.
52:0052 minutesHe's not Jaylen Brown even.
52:0252 minutes, 2 secondsAnd and I'm more excited about Dylan Harper than I than out of the two of them, if you had to gun to my head, I would take Dylan Harper.
52:0952 minutes, 9 secondsYeah. Um, so yeah, look to answer your question about pricing, uh, yeah, definitely take the proven Jason Tatum,
52:1752 minutes, 17 secondsuh, over the Stefan Castle. But once again, man, that's what this hobby is.
52:2252 minutes, 22 secondsWe were recently lamenting about our missed opportunities, you know, and wondering where where we could have gone wrong or gone right. We were there. We
52:3152 minutes, 31 secondswere there for SGA at Clippers. We were there for Jaylen Brunson at Dallas and we didn't buy. Yeah, [snorts] definitely.
52:3952 minutes, 39 secondsAll righty, Devon Facel. Let's do this in 20 seconds. You mentioned him before the show. He's not on card ladder free silver PSA 10, so we're just going to
52:4752 minutes, 47 secondstalk about ROS. They're $4 a piece. I think personally for me, this is more of a PC only purchase. He's a good player.
52:5452 minutes, 54 secondsHe's a good rotation player.
52:5752 minutes, 57 secondsI liked him better before Harper and Castle was there because I thought maybe his role be a little bit bigger and he
53:0453 minutes, 4 secondswould be the second or third banana, but that has not played out.
53:0853 minutes, 8 secondsHe's probably sixth or seventh at this point.
53:1153 minutes, 11 secondsI mean, look, after the showing of Champagne and everybody else in the team, I agree.
53:1653 minutes, 16 secondsYeah, he he moves down the packing order now.
53:1953 minutes, 19 secondsHe was I think was he Yeah, he was around the era of Dejonte Murray, right? The Jonte Murray, him and Kell Johnson.
53:2853 minutes, 28 secondsI think DeJonte Murray's a couple years older than him though. Yeah.
53:3153 minutes, 31 secondsYeah. But like they were kind of that's that that was the original Spurs core before the WebMes, before the Harpers, before the Stefan Castles.
53:4053 minutes, 40 secondsYeah.
53:4153 minutes, 41 secondsYou know, so yeah, look, Vel's an interesting piece, man. Like he's just kind of hangs around, gets his eight to 10 points, you know, catch and shoot.
53:5153 minutes, 51 secondsCatch and shoot. He can warm up. He can have hot games, too, but he's not consistent. Not at all.
53:5853 minutes, 58 secondsSo, yeah. So, yeah. So, if you're a Spurs guy, he's just a collection piece along with Champagne.
54:0554 minutes, 5 secondsAll right, we've done the Spurs, we've done the Knicks. Have we done them justice? Is there anyone that we missed that we need to talk about?
54:1154 minutes, 11 secondsUh, Mitchell Robinson. No, look, Mitch Mitch had a great game. He
54:1854 minutes, 18 secondshe did he did really really good. Um, my buddy Josh is a big Mitchell Robinson fan. Flew all the way to Nick to to New
54:2554 minutes, 25 secondsYork to watch him play and I'm very happy for him that he was there. Shout out to Josh, man. That's sick.
54:3154 minutes, 31 secondsYeah, he was there for the 29 point re recovery job and yeah, he got to see his boy Mitchell Robinson shine.
54:3954 minutes, 39 secondsThat's awesome, man. So, yeah, I'm very happy for him.
54:4454 minutes, 44 secondsI got to tell you, Mitch Robinson sales are going off at the moment.
54:5054 minutes, 50 secondsOptic gold vinyl one of one sold for 3,989.
54:5554 minutes, 55 secondsBy the way, the people who are selling at the moment, yeah, I tip my cap to you. Flawless platinum one of one sold for 2500.
55:0555 minutes, 5 secondsAnother flawless premium edition diamond one of one. Who's selling all these cards? Who's holding all these?
55:1155 minutes, 11 secondsIt's probably Josh. It's probably my friend. He's like, that's how he paid for his ticket to go over there. So, he paid for the ticket to make it into Madison Square Garden.
55:2055 minutes, 20 secondsUm, yeah. Look, now's the time.
55:2555 minutes, 25 secondsTrue RPA 999 for $319. That's pretty reasonable.
55:2955 minutes, 29 secondsYikes. Yeah. Look, look, these prices, you probably would have been able to sell them for less than 50 bucks before.
55:3455 minutes, 34 secondsSo, you know, there's you just got to capitalize while you got the chance. Um, certain players will survive this uh
55:4255 minutes, 42 secondsthis this this honeymoon stage. certain players will benefit from the honeymoon and have a new base, but there are just
55:4955 minutes, 49 secondssome players like the numbers five, six, and seven on the roster. [sighs] Now's the time, you know, while they are
55:5755 minutes, 57 secondsheroes. They get to be heroes for a week and then we will forget about him.
56:0256 minutes, 2 secondsSo, he was a Knicks rookie, too. So, he's been there through the good and the bad. He's been there since the beginning.
56:0756 minutes, 7 secondsHe's been there since the beginning of the rebuild. So, good on him, man. Yeah.
56:1156 minutes, 11 secondsYeah. You know, he's one of those good stories. I think like was it there's a few there's a lot of good stories out of that that New York Knicks team.
56:1856 minutes, 18 secondsHonestly, we didn't talk about Jose Alvarado, the guy who like almost ended
56:2556 minutes, 25 secondsup out of the league completely, you know, came over from the G- League, got his little stickick. Uh, Grand Theft Alvarado.
56:3656 minutes, 36 seconds[laughter]
56:3756 minutes, 37 secondsExplain that for the listeners at home that don't know about this. talk to us about Grand Theft Alvarado. So he he used to hide in the corner of of the So when
56:4656 minutes, 46 secondsteams are inbounding, he will he will hide in the corners and wait for the inbounding team to to dribble up and
56:5256 minutes, 52 secondsthen he will sneak up from behind and steal the ball. So it's it was hilarious. I remember I think I told you
57:0057 minutesguys about him when he was like at New Orleans doing this nonsense.
57:0357 minutes, 3 secondsYeah. And [laughter] and I was just like a like like this is hilarious cuz New Orleans used to play the Jaws music
57:0957 minutes, 9 secondsevery time he's sneaking [laughter] up and just mess with opposition teams.
57:1657 minutes, 16 secondsGive it away though that he's sneaking up that he's Yeah, but you just don't know when he's going to strike, right? Cuz you just got this
57:2357 minutes, 23 seconds[laughter]
57:2457 minutes, 24 secondsand it's just building up and like opposition players are like what's happening, you know? But also like most stadiums are too loud for it. So they probably don't even hear the music.
57:3357 minutes, 33 secondsThey're just too they're too hyperfocused. Um but yeah, he used to just sneak up and steal the ball. That was his whole thing. Grand Theft Alvarado. [laughter]
57:4257 minutes, 42 secondsAll right. Talk to us about non Spurs, non- Nicks players. You want to talk about Edgecomb and the other one you want to talk about was Cedric Coward. So let's talk about these two.
57:5257 minutes, 52 secondsGive us your take on Edgecomb. Let's go.
57:5457 minutes, 54 secondsEdgecom started this season like a bat out of hell. Um he really did look like the initial steel of the draft coming
58:0158 minutes, 1 secondout. Just played balls of the wall, big numbers coming straight out at the beginning and then eventually he just
58:0858 minutes, 8 secondscooled off um and he kind of just settled in uh into his role, figured out
58:1458 minutes, 14 secondshis place amongst Maxi, amongst you know amongst you know Embiid and Paul George and just figured out his spot and then
58:2458 minutes, 24 secondsyeah he kind of caught on at the beginning of the playoffs again. had a couple of big games to start off the playoffs and he's just he's a bowler,
58:3258 minutes, 32 secondsman. He's got he's got he's definitely his big Yeah. And I think that was the bigger part for me with Philadelphia at the start of the year. They had a lot of
58:3958 minutes, 39 secondsinjuries like Paul George was out. I'm pretty sure Maxi missed the start of the season.
58:4458 minutes, 44 secondsAnd that explains a lot in terms of shot opportunities and beads missing every other game. You know what he's like. So Yep.
58:5258 minutes, 52 secondsYep. Broke. He's like glass.
58:5658 minutes, 56 secondsI mean, my question about this kid is what's he sealing?
59:0159 minutes, 1 secondLook, we've we've kind of seen flashes of what he can potentially be. The question is, you know, the million-dollar question is, can he be consistent? You know, can he
59:1059 minutes, 10 secondsconsistently put up 15, 20 points a game, you know, at a consistent clip?
59:1759 minutes, 17 secondsCan he be can he be the be the, you know, the the the the number two banana right beside Maxi?
59:2559 minutes, 25 secondsI think all the hype that we see around the league and the amount of talent that this kid's got at $450 for a silver a refractor PSA 10, excuse me.
59:3659 minutes, 36 secondsI actually think that's very very reasonable. Oh, he is not bad.
59:4259 minutes, 42 secondsDylan Harper's $1,000 more than this kid. That's That's not right. Opportunity is going to come for him.
59:5059 minutes, 50 secondsUm, you know, Paul George is not going to be in the league much longer. Uh I think the ceiling is higher on Edgecomb than Harper.
59:5859 minutes, 58 secondsYeah. Uh you can have it both ways. I think I think look, they're both very good prospects. Um if you if you kind of
1:00:051 hour, 5 secondslike if it was a coin flip, you know, for the value like at 450 versus a,000, I can kind of go like look, there's probably still more value to be had with
1:00:131 hour, 13 secondsVJ um than there is Dylan Harper. Dylan Harper feels like he might be he might be, you know, nearing his, you know, potential peak cuz like he's only
1:00:211 hour, 21 secondsa rookie. He's already getting the rookie the rookie price premium.
1:00:261 hour, 26 secondsBut but more than that with Edgecom, I think he could be a genuine number one option. I don't think Harper would ever be a true number one. I think Harper is
1:00:351 hour, 35 secondsa very good basketball player and knows how to facilitate and pick his spots, but that's different to being a lead guard that has to generate
1:00:431 hour, 43 seconds25 28 30 points per game and facilitate for other people, too. Yeah. VJ VJ can definitely do that.
1:00:521 hour, 52 secondsYeah, I think he has got that really high ceiling potential.
1:00:561 hour, 56 secondsHe's also got that he's also got that FU motor as well. Yeah, man. He gets after people.
1:01:021 hour, 1 minute, 2 secondsYeah, man. He he he does have that dog in him that he wants to go after people.
1:01:061 hour, 1 minute, 6 secondsSo, yeah, I'm uh Yeah, I would I would definitely consider VJ Edge.
1:01:121 hour, 1 minute, 12 secondsAll right. Out of 10, what would you give this as a purchase at 450?
1:01:161 hour, 1 minute, 16 secondsLook, 450 for for a silver at this stage with a lot of the rookies. I'd probably put it a solid nine out of 10. Yeah.
1:01:241 hour, 1 minute, 24 secondsUm, how about yourself?
1:01:271 hour, 1 minute, 27 secondsI'm really wary of buying into the hype at the moment and I feel like this finals has really hammered that home. Yeah.
1:01:341 hour, 1 minute, 34 secondsLike we should have been talking about Jaylen Brunson for the last two years. We should have been talking about SGA.
1:01:391 hour, 1 minute, 39 secondsAnd so I'm very very reluctant to let that go and sort of just dive straight back into more prospecting. So for me, this is
1:01:481 hour, 1 minute, 48 secondswatch this for 12 more months and then reassess the price and then reassess his output because is is there a rush to go out and buy
1:01:571 hour, 1 minute, 57 secondsprospects? Are you actually better off in just biting your time and seeing where all the the dust settles? I think
1:02:041 hour, 2 minutes, 4 secondsright now, look, all the attention's on on the New York Knicks and the Spurs. Cooper flag.
1:02:101 hour, 2 minutes, 10 secondsCooper flag. Conanop. Look, Conan's cooling. Um, so a lot of these rookies were cool.
1:02:171 hour, 2 minutes, 17 secondsDuh. He has cooled duh. Yeah.
1:02:191 hour, 2 minutes, 19 secondsYeah. Um, look, a good time to buy is actually around the time like if you want to start like guessing and seeing,
1:02:281 hour, 2 minutes, 28 secondswait till the next draft because when the new toys are out, these old toys like VJ Edge and Da will be forgotten.
1:02:351 hour, 2 minutes, 35 secondsUm, you know, everybody will be chasing Dean Star. Everyone will be chasing, you know, Darren Peterson and they'll be also after Cameron Boozer.
1:02:431 hour, 2 minutes, 43 secondsThe Boozers. Yep.
1:02:441 hour, 2 minutes, 44 secondsYep. Caleb Wilson and, you know, and Wagner. Uh, Katon Wagner, you know. So there's an AUF. Oh, I do
1:02:511 hour, 2 minutes, 51 secondslike AUF. Um, so there's there's some good rookies coming up. This is this is a pretty probably one of the most talked
1:02:581 hour, 2 minutes, 58 secondsup rookie classes coming up for next year.
1:03:031 hour, 3 minutes, 3 secondsYep. All right, our last athlete of the night is Cedric Coward. Not Colin Coward as we were talking about off the air.
1:03:141 hour, 3 minutes, 14 secondsCoward. No, [laughter] he is not on card letter.
1:03:181 hour, 3 minutes, 18 secondsSo, I've just gone to eBay solds and just pulled up. I'll just read off a couple and then we'll go from there.
1:03:231 hour, 3 minutes, 23 secondsGeometric refractor, which looks like a mosaic number to 50, sold for 170. These are all USD prices.
1:03:301 hour, 3 minutes, 30 secondsChrome SSP number to 50. The chromograph oncard autograph for 170. The blue refrator to 150 for 255.
1:03:411 hour, 3 minutes, 41 secondsthe Mojo autograph, which looks delicious on the first Bowman to 173.
1:03:491 hour, 3 minutes, 49 secondsTops three basketball rookie relics to 49 for 128. This is the one I wanted to talk to you about. Signature series Cedric Coward rookie jumbo auto encased.
1:04:021 hour, 4 minutes, 2 secondsI believe that's a Panini card.
1:04:061 hour, 4 minutes, 6 secondsYeah, it looks like it because I'm pretty sure he signs for Panini and also for Tops. Yep.
1:04:151 hour, 4 minutes, 15 secondsYeah, he does.
1:04:181 hour, 4 minutes, 18 secondsIt's a nice looking card. He's got a nice looking autograph.
1:04:211 hour, 4 minutes, 21 secondsYeah, it's Panini. It definitely is Panini. Yeah.
1:04:231 hour, 4 minutes, 23 secondsYeah, that's an interesting one. So, he actually he's a jewel signer.
1:04:301 hour, 4 minutes, 30 secondsOh, look. I I liked I liked I liked watching him play this year. um he is a more of a defensive player and this is kind of what we were talking about with
1:04:381 hour, 4 minutes, 38 secondsOG's ceiling as well was that defensive players don't don't don't tickle people's fancy in the hobby unfortunately.
1:04:461 hour, 4 minutes, 46 secondsYep.
1:04:481 hour, 4 minutes, 48 secondsUm look, he's a good player. I mean, look, Memphis doesn't have a lot to be excited about these days until they figure out what happens to to Morant.
1:04:561 hour, 4 minutes, 56 secondsYeah. Like um where does he land next season will be interesting. Um, I think a lot of Jaran holders are kind of
1:05:031 hour, 5 minutes, 3 secondswaiting to see where he lands um to before they make their judgments and they're probably hoping for a new lily a new land a big market landing pad for him.
1:05:131 hour, 5 minutes, 13 secondsYeah, definitely.
1:05:141 hour, 5 minutes, 14 secondsUm yeah, look, Coward Coward just played really well this year. Just a good once again just another good player out of
1:05:221 hour, 5 minutes, 22 secondsthe rookie class. um him and I finally remember the name of the French kid, Maxim Ray Node out of uh Sacramento.
1:05:301 hour, 5 minutes, 30 secondsThat kid that kid put up good numbers this year and just like Coward played his role. Opportunity allowed for it.
1:05:371 hour, 5 minutes, 37 secondsYeah, because the team is that's a big part in Sacramento this year. That team was very wide open.
1:05:421 hour, 5 minutes, 42 secondsThere was opportunity galore over that whole Absolutely hammered, man. Absolutely hammered, you know, like and the the coaching and the management were doing
1:05:501 hour, 5 minutes, 50 secondsweird things like are we tanking? Are we not tanking? Are we like weank?
1:05:551 hour, 5 minutes, 55 secondsThey were tanking. [laughter] They were horrible. They were absolutely horrible this year. Yeah.
1:06:001 hour, 6 minutesI will I'll I'll share an anecdote from my um from my from my bad um my bad bets this year. So, there was there was games
1:06:071 hour, 6 minutes, 7 secondswhere I had Sacramento players and I was like, "Yes, they're going to catch my slip." And then the coach just sat
1:06:151 hour, 6 minutes, 15 secondseverybody for the second half and it just like I was just like, "Oh, D Rozan had a chance at this." and like and and
1:06:231 hour, 6 minutes, 23 secondsWestbrook had a chance at it and like they they literally played them for like you know a couple of games straight and like you know tried to win for like
1:06:311 hour, 6 minutes, 31 secondsabout a month or two and then they're like oh you know what forget it and then just like started just sitting sitting
1:06:391 hour, 6 minutes, 39 secondsstarters at any time you know even in games where they thought they could win.
1:06:441 hour, 6 minutes, 44 secondsThe hiring of Doug Christie is kind of a shocking one on so many different levels. I'm not aware that he's ever coached at any level
1:06:531 hour, 6 minutes, 53 secondsand he's been a commentator for the last, you know, five or 10 years for the Kings. Yeah.
1:06:581 hour, 6 minutes, 58 secondsSo, he comes in, he takes that job, then essentially they forced his hand to tank. Yep.
1:07:031 hour, 7 minutes, 3 secondsSo, he could be fired this year or next year and as a scape Yeah, that's right. And never get back into the league. And you look at how
1:07:101 hour, 7 minutes, 10 secondsmany coaches that the Sacramento Kings have fired. They've hired and fired Mike Malone. They hired and fired
1:07:171 hour, 7 minutes, 17 secondsum I'm having a brain freeze at the moment. The head coach of the Knicks, Mike Brown. Yeah, Mike Brown.
1:07:241 hour, 7 minutes, 24 secondsLike, why would they care if they fire Christie now?
1:07:321 hour, 7 minutes, 32 secondsOh, there there's there is zero loyalty in Sacramento.
1:07:361 hour, 7 minutes, 36 secondsAnyway, I don't want to talk I actually don't want to talk about the Kings.
1:07:391 hour, 7 minutes, 39 secondsLet's talk about Super Coward. So, I've actually seen him play in person and I would say that was one of my favorite moments.
1:07:471 hour, 7 minutes, 47 secondsOkay, I need to rephrase this very carefully.
1:07:501 hour, 7 minutes, 50 secondsIt's in my top 20 of my favorite moments of seeing NBA plays. He is fantastic to watch in person.
1:07:551 hour, 7 minutes, 55 secondsHe has an absolute presence out there on the court defensively. He has all the things that I love about a basketball player. He's efficient. He's smart.
1:08:031 hour, 8 minutes, 3 secondsHe helps on defense. He's big. He can rebound. He communicates all that stuff.
1:08:081 hour, 8 minutes, 8 secondsBut after all that gushing that I've just done, I can't go past what Jono and Michael said to me last week is that
1:08:151 hour, 8 minutes, 15 secondsdefensive players don't sell for big money. And if, and again, I'm stealing this from Jonno. So Jonno, I'm quoting you directly. And if they did, Gary
1:08:241 hour, 8 minutes, 24 secondsPayton autographs will be selling for $1,000. I think you have to keep that mantra in mind when you're buying this kid. This is like a better version of Herb Jones.
1:08:331 hour, 8 minutes, 33 secondsYou know, what's what's the point? Where is this going to end up? And actually, you I think you almost tied the pieces together quite nicely. Why don't you
1:08:411 hour, 8 minutes, 41 secondscomp this guy directly to OG Anobi? He's just won a championship and this kid's prices are still higher than him. So,
1:08:491 hour, 8 minutes, 49 secondsfor me, that's a little bit of a red flag in terms of how much money I should be putting into this kid
1:08:561 hour, 8 minutes, 56 secondsand that that price will drop. So, like his price will go down because he's getting the rookie B rookie premium right now.
1:09:041 hour, 9 minutes, 4 secondsonce once the new rookies come into play and he's a first year player, you know, like failing failing him having a
1:09:121 hour, 9 minutes, 12 secondsbreakout year and, you know, turning into a superstar. Um, you know, who knows, right? But he would have to like
1:09:201 hour, 9 minutes, 20 secondshave a breakout year and turn into a superstar for his price to go up from where it is right now. And I'm a betting man. I don't like the odds of that.
1:09:291 hour, 9 minutes, 29 secondsThat's right. [laughter] All right, man. Final thoughts. What have you got for us?
1:09:331 hour, 9 minutes, 33 secondsUh, look, really, really excited for for next year and uh and what, you know, what the new seasons will bring. Um, a
1:09:421 hour, 9 minutes, 42 secondslot of retro cards are actually getting a lot of love right now. Um, the the the MJ market is super hot. Like
1:09:501 hour, 9 minutes, 50 secondsbase cards, base cards, I've some base cards are just going for stupid prices right now. Um, I'm seeing I'm actually
1:09:581 hour, 9 minutes, 58 secondsseeing in the Shaquille O'Neal world, uh, his retro inserts are getting are going up a lot. Um, and I think it's
1:10:061 hour, 10 minutes, 6 secondsmost likely because of MJ, the MJ, you know, the the the rising ship uh, drags everybody up. And
1:10:141 hour, 10 minutes, 14 secondsI think that's good influence. But I also wonder too with Shaket, it's just that people are starting to realize how undervalued this kid is.
1:10:211 hour, 10 minutes, 21 secondsHe is so undervalued. Like his autographs, you can still pick him up for 300 bucks. the autographs. He signs a lot, so I'm not super convinced on
1:10:281 hour, 10 minutes, 28 secondsthat. But like he short printed his inserts inserts and those sort of chase cards. I think
1:10:351 hour, 10 minutes, 35 secondsit at some point the market was going to turn. I think you've started to see that already. So, and you you consider no and you consider some of the some of the hit rates on
1:10:441 hour, 10 minutes, 44 secondssome of these cards, it is near impossible. like 4,500 packets, you know, like how many cases do you have to
1:10:511 hour, 10 minutes, 51 secondsopen to get this card, you know, like like and the price is like 500 bucks.
1:10:561 hour, 10 minutes, 56 secondsYou're like, that's dirt cheap. That is actually dirt cheap considering how much I'd have to open.
1:11:011 hour, 11 minutes, 1 secondBut the thing you need to add to that conversation, too, it's one in 4,000 packs. And if there's say 10 in the checklist, then you've got a one in 10
1:11:101 hour, 11 minutes, 10 secondschance in that 4,000 packets to get one of them. So, if you want the shack, arguably it's one in 40,000 packs, right?
1:11:181 hour, 11 minutes, 18 secondsIt can go. Yeah. But I think a lot of the odds right now is based off the 4,000 is based off of the out of 10. So,
1:11:251 hour, 11 minutes, 25 secondsit's like it's like normally it's like Yeah. like 400 something packs and then out of 10 it becomes out of one of 4,000.
1:11:341 hour, 11 minutes, 34 secondsOh, right.
1:11:351 hour, 11 minutes, 35 secondsYeah. So, so but yeah, but like we're seeing it already with all the even harder stuff to get. you'd already factored in the the 10 in the checklist when you said that number. Oh, right.
1:11:451 hour, 11 minutes, 45 secondsOkay.
1:11:451 hour, 11 minutes, 45 secondsSo, so when you when you go into like some of these other cards, this is why MJ cards are so so expensive now, is because Yeah.
1:11:521 hour, 11 minutes, 52 secondspeople factored that in as well with the MJS. Yeah.
1:11:551 hour, 11 minutes, 55 secondsAnd there's like there's a one in 4,000 chance of getting the MJ. And the MJ is already a $10,000 card. Well, guess what? This is now a $100,000 card,
1:12:041 hour, 12 minutes, 4 seconds[laughter]
1:12:051 hour, 12 minutes, 5 secondsyou know? Like like godamn, you know? Yeah.
1:12:101 hour, 12 minutes, 10 secondsUm, yeah. But no, I really love this finals. I'm so excited. Uh, NBA really, you know, like the real the NBA needed this. We needed We needed this finals.
1:12:221 hour, 12 minutes, 22 secondsIt was exciting.
1:12:231 hour, 12 minutes, 23 secondsIt was exciting. It was, you know, it had me on my feet. It had me excited, you know, like like that that that Spurs
1:12:321 hour, 12 minutes, 32 secondsOKC series was a bit of a snoozefest for me. Like it was like one was a blowout, one was a blowout, one was a blowout.
1:12:391 hour, 12 minutes, 39 secondsLike it's only the two good games were basically game one and game and the last game.
1:12:451 hour, 12 minutes, 45 secondsLike I was captivated by that series, man. I loved it.
1:12:481 hour, 12 minutes, 48 secondsYeah. The the blowout versus SGA. It was It was more just how different the two teams were like that. I love that about basketball. How
1:12:571 hour, 12 minutes, 57 secondsthere's a billion different ways you can play it. And that was just all on display for me.
1:13:041 hour, 13 minutes, 4 secondsI I enjoyed Yeah, I enjoyed the final series, Knicks versus Spurs. I I'm very happy that was how it went down was
1:13:111 hour, 13 minutes, 11 secondsclose games, really tight. Every possession counted, no blowouts, you know, like no real blowouts happened in
1:13:191 hour, 13 minutes, 19 secondsthis final, you know, it was just Yeah, it was just balls to the wall all the way through, which is great, you know.
1:13:251 hour, 13 minutes, 25 secondsSo, and obviously the Knicks breaking their breaking their long their long drought uh was also very exciting to
1:13:321 hour, 13 minutes, 32 secondssee, but I'm I'm excited to see how Wemi and the Spurs reload for next year.
1:13:381 hour, 13 minutes, 38 secondsThis is this is not the end for them, you know. He'll definitely be back, you know.
1:13:451 hour, 13 minutes, 45 secondsThank you so much, Joe, for coming on, mate. Is there anything you want to drop or plug or any projects that you're working on that you want to tell people
1:13:521 hour, 13 minutes, 52 secondsabout? Uh, look, I've got I've got some other projects coming along, but you know, like the Shak Fu32 page is always
1:13:591 hour, 13 minutes, 59 secondslive, you know, like if people want to hit me up for questions about the hobby, you know.
1:14:041 hour, 14 minutes, 4 secondsWhat's your Instagram handle again? Tell the people.
1:14:061 hour, 14 minutes, 6 secondsUh, it's Shakfu32 uh is my Instagram handle. And like look, I do I do answer a lot of questions. I do try to check it as often
1:14:141 hour, 14 minutes, 14 secondsas I can. Um, you know, I'm at the moment I'm kind of working through a side project which is called Grail Chasers where, you know, we're basically
1:14:231 hour, 14 minutes, 23 secondsum buying and selling and consigning cards, collectibles, mainly collectibles at the moment, like old old pop culture.
1:14:301 hour, 14 minutes, 30 secondsUm, so something a little different from cards. Uh, but it is very near and dear to my heart. Um, you know, so really fun to handle some toys again.
1:14:391 hour, 14 minutes, 39 secondsAre you looking to accept consignments from other people? Also, should people DM you if they want to consign some stuff with Oh, look. Yeah, if they if they got stuff that they need some help selling,
1:14:481 hour, 14 minutes, 48 secondsum, yeah, hit me up in the DMs, uh, through my Shack Fu32. At the moment, Grill Chases isn't live as of yet, but
1:14:551 hour, 14 minutes, 55 secondsstill a work in progress. Um, but that is something that I'm very excited and I'm working on with another friend of mine, Hokag Hawk, and we'll be
1:15:031 hour, 15 minutes, 3 secondsdefinitely hoping to bring that up live pretty soon.
1:15:051 hour, 15 minutes, 5 secondsYeah, man. That's awesome. Thank you so much, mate. Thank you everyone at home for listening and we'll catch you guys next week.
1:15:141 hour, 15 minutes, 14 secondsUm, can you please stick around for like 30 seconds? Is that okay? Yeah. Yeah. Easy, brother.
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