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Overcoming Fear and Embracing Entrepreneurship: Interview with Ryane LeCesne

September 08, 2023 Angela Marie Christian Season 1 Episode 74
Overcoming Fear and Embracing Entrepreneurship: Interview with Ryane LeCesne
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Overcoming Fear and Embracing Entrepreneurship: Interview with Ryane LeCesne
Sep 08, 2023 Season 1 Episode 74
Angela Marie Christian

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Stepping into entrepreneurship can feel like standing on the edge of a cliff - the trifecta of imposter syndrome, perfectionism, and distractionism threatening to pull you back. But what if there was a way to harness the power of fear, transforming it from a debilitating obstacle into a catalyst for growth?

Join us in today's intriguing conversation with the inspiring Ryane LeCesne, a coach who has transitioned from the nonprofit sector to entrepreneurship, as she shares her empowering journey and the strategies she used to overcome fear.

We dissect the impact of our beliefs, how they can stem from our childhood experiences and how these beliefs can either propel us forward or hold us back.

Our conversation takes a spiritual turn as Ryane sheds light on her unique approaches to coaching—utilizing intuition, chakra healing, and even hypnotherapy. She shares her journey of accepting her own calling as a mystic and encourages listeners to stay true to their own callings.

If you're looking for resources to enrich your journey, Ryane shares her favorite books that have had a profound impact on her, among them "The E-Myth Revisited", "Business Made Simple", and "The Big Leap" by Gay Hendricks.

And of course, she emphasizes the importance of self-care and balance in our professional lives. So, if you're ready to face your fears and step into your true potential, don't miss this enlightening episode.

Read more about Ryane here.
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Ryane's bio: 

Ryane LeCesne is the Master Your Mindset Coach. Since 2012, Ryane has coached nearly 1,000 high-achieving women – specializing in the unique needs of high-achieving Black women – to advance their professional dreams by overcoming and healing from the self-limiting mindsets of Impostor Syndrome and Perfectionism.

Ryane understands how frustrating it is to have followed the "blueprint to success" only to feel like you secretly lack the 3Cs – clarity, confidence, and courage – to advance your career or build your dream business on your terms. She knows what it feels like to have done "everything right" and still feel stuck and trapped second-guessing yourself and your dreams. She also knows the mindset required to take big, bold action in the face of your fears. Her coaching process is evidence-based, holistic, transformational, and proven to be instrumental in helping high-achieving women professionally advance. 

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Stepping into entrepreneurship can feel like standing on the edge of a cliff - the trifecta of imposter syndrome, perfectionism, and distractionism threatening to pull you back. But what if there was a way to harness the power of fear, transforming it from a debilitating obstacle into a catalyst for growth?

Join us in today's intriguing conversation with the inspiring Ryane LeCesne, a coach who has transitioned from the nonprofit sector to entrepreneurship, as she shares her empowering journey and the strategies she used to overcome fear.

We dissect the impact of our beliefs, how they can stem from our childhood experiences and how these beliefs can either propel us forward or hold us back.

Our conversation takes a spiritual turn as Ryane sheds light on her unique approaches to coaching—utilizing intuition, chakra healing, and even hypnotherapy. She shares her journey of accepting her own calling as a mystic and encourages listeners to stay true to their own callings.

If you're looking for resources to enrich your journey, Ryane shares her favorite books that have had a profound impact on her, among them "The E-Myth Revisited", "Business Made Simple", and "The Big Leap" by Gay Hendricks.

And of course, she emphasizes the importance of self-care and balance in our professional lives. So, if you're ready to face your fears and step into your true potential, don't miss this enlightening episode.

Read more about Ryane here.
Follow Ryane here.

Ryane's bio: 

Ryane LeCesne is the Master Your Mindset Coach. Since 2012, Ryane has coached nearly 1,000 high-achieving women – specializing in the unique needs of high-achieving Black women – to advance their professional dreams by overcoming and healing from the self-limiting mindsets of Impostor Syndrome and Perfectionism.

Ryane understands how frustrating it is to have followed the "blueprint to success" only to feel like you secretly lack the 3Cs – clarity, confidence, and courage – to advance your career or build your dream business on your terms. She knows what it feels like to have done "everything right" and still feel stuck and trapped second-guessing yourself and your dreams. She also knows the mindset required to take big, bold action in the face of your fears. Her coaching process is evidence-based, holistic, transformational, and proven to be instrumental in helping high-achieving women professionally advance. 

When Ryane’s not coac

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Angela:

Hello and welcome to the 5D CFO podcast. My name is Angela Marie Christian and my mission is to help entrepreneurs and thought leaders rise to the 5D, where we can find wealth in all dimensions, in all areas of life. Enjoy, I'm excited to introduce you to our guest today, ryan LaSanne. I had such a wonderful conversation with her. She is a mother, a coach, and it was fun also just talking about mindset and energetics, because all of that plays such a huge piece in our lives, but definitely our businesses as well. So I hope you'll enjoy this conversation as much as I did and check out the show notes for how you could learn more about Ryan and work with her. Enjoy, hello, ryan. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here with me.

Ryane:

Thanks, angela. I'm super excited to be with you and your listening audience and it's a pleasure and such an honor. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Angela:

Yes. So I would love for you to start by just telling us a little bit about your background and then what led you to this coaching space that you're in now.

Ryane:

Yeah, thank you. So I always love that question like where did you, you know? How did you start, how did you get into this? Because I do feel like it's important to say I feel like it's been kind of a life's journey. I did not start out in elementary school or high school or even college or do my master's saying I'm gonna be a coach. I very much evolved into that. So I'll share sort of like a turning point where several avenues came together, and that was in about 2015 and I was just to give you some of those intersections.

Ryane:

I was, I had just completed my master's degree at Georgetown, which was in communications of public relations, so again, not in the direction of coaching. I was working in a nonprofit that was doing very meaningful work, that I was committed to the programming, and I found myself, as many of your listeners may find themselves, feeling very underappreciated, overworked, underappreciated, underappreciated, underappreciated, and what I now know that that means is that means you've outgrown your space right. So that means that a leap is you know it's you are do a leap in life. I didn't know that. Then I was very, very, very frustrated and very hurt and very feeling. You know the baggage of all of that I also had in 2012, so three years before I had started a brunch series for my girlfriends, I was in my early 30s and I had gotten hip to this idea that I wanted to like create a networking space for other women in their 30s who were, you know, doing things and aspiring to do things. I was teaching leadership at work, so it's very much like part of who and what I am is this idea of more than leadership, transformation, you know, sort of under the dome of leadership, and so I started this Sunday brunch series called Inspire Sunday Brunch and which is the name of my business, is called Inspire Brand Consulting. At this point, what was also unique about that was I was looking for a speaker at the time in 2012 when I started this to, you know, present some transformational conversation, and I was at lunch with a girlfriend and she said you are the speaker. I said, oh, my god, it's not me right, like total imposter syndrome, which is imperfectionism, which is what I coach on specifically, those mindsets you know, flared up. And she said, no, you're the speaker. And it was one of those moments where, you know, you don't have to have a religious background but you know, like, intuitively, like Haas. There was a bigger message here. It was one of those. So let me listen, let me step into this. And so I did so.

Ryane:

At this juncture in 2015, I had this, this pseudo business, because I had done several events called Inspire Sunday brunch. I had a very frustrating experience, you know, frustrating phase of work and I had finished my master's degree at this time. So it was like a kind of a nexus of things. At Georgetown they offered they were starting to offer a career development class. To pilot it, they invited five or six of their female graduates from my program to spend a Saturday going through kind of the curriculum together with the teacher, who was a female coach. Never worked with a coach before 2015. Never, I kind of heard it, you know, kind of on the scene, but you know, never worked with one before and yet it was very much what I did, who I was, and so we walk into this you know classroom and we're having get to know you kind of things.

Ryane:

And Sunny asked Coach. Sunny said do you speak to yours if you are your own best friend? And a couple of things happened when she asked that do you speak to yourself as if you are your own best friend. One thing that happened was what you know Dr Brunet Brown talks about, which is that warm, oozy feeling that comes over, called shame. That was very present. No, I do not speak to myself as if I am my own best friend. In fact, what I am registering in that moment was I talked to myself in absolutely the counter of that. I am so shaming of myself and yet I present outwardly as a very positive, optimistic, love and light person. So I, my nervous system, felt the divergent of those two beliefs, right Like I hold the space for other people to be love and light and I hold up for them, and yet I do not hold up for myself, and that was really, really triggering. The other thing that happened in that same moment was this recognition of oh my God, this is my life's purpose is to figure this out for myself and for those that I quote unquote, serve. And at that time I would say quote unquote because I didn't even think that I served Inspire Brand Consulting. You know, I didn't even. I didn't even understand what my service was at that time, but I knew it was my purpose and that was really how I got into coaching.

Ryane:

From that moment, inspire shifted from a casual Sunday brunch series which had also I had LLC to do. My frustration at work. I had LLC, the business that fall, but it was intended to be a communications consulting business. That then turned into an image consulting business. That very quickly became no, I work with people in their transformation, their mindset, like that's my jam and so that's like phase one. Phase one is bridged into. I went back to Georgetown. I have a certificate and transformational leadership development. That is, that is who and what I do. I'm ICF internationally coach certified. All of those wonderful things were the bridge into a coaching business. Aha, now put that book away. Next book is becoming an entrepreneur. Oh my gosh, talk about hit the wall.

Ryane:

Slid down emotionally into the mire of imposter syndrome, perfectionism, and when I have coined over the years which is called distractionism, which is very clearly unmanaged, on diagnosed ADHD, I was plagued by this trifecta. Coming into a business because now I was asking myself to charge people for my quote, unquote worth. Oh my God, angela. Every single insecurity, every single fear was. It was like the band aid was ripped off. But whoa, the sore that was under that band aid, band aid or no band aid. The sore was blistering. And so I, here I was, you know, a person, like many people in your audience, who was very good, even though the craft was new, which was a whole nother learning hurdle coaching. I was good at my craft, I knew it, I knew it was my passion.

Ryane:

And yet starting a business, owning a business, creating a business, is a whole nother. I don't you know what to call it, because of course I want to call, like the beast, a monster it's a whole nother. If you're a parent, it's a whole nother. Baby to birth it's its own individual, it's its own entity. It needs the care of a baby. You can't rush the development. It has all the stages. You've got to learn all the various parts of parenting and in business there are some parts that I'm happy to talk about, what I've learned from that perspective too. And all of that really exacerbated my own mindset right. So I was holding both I'm starting a business and it's a coaching business. So there was a lot of duality in my mind of noticing my fear, handling my fear as a coach. So that's kind of the one, two, three of how I got into where I am.

Angela:

Wow. Yeah, that's really powerful, and so you've been doing this for a long time now.

Ryane:

At this point, it has been yeah, it has been a long time. I love it. I find it. I continue to find that I grow both as a coach and as an entrepreneur, and they're both two different things. I am continuing to learn and they both continue to stay fascinating, and the work is so powerful and so meaningful to see people really have aha moments about who they are when they can recognize, oh my gosh, this belief. I didn't even know it was there and yet it was so present and so pervasive. And now I at least have a handle on the belief and I can, with this awareness, really work to create a new belief and shift that out. And it's a very scientific process as well as a very mystical process, and I love that combination too the science, the hardcore neurobiological science that, quite frankly, is catching up to the mysticism and vice versa. So it's just, it's really it's awesome, yeah.

Angela:

I love that and so, as I mentioned to you, most of my listeners are entrepreneurs or aspiring entrepreneurs, and I'd love to talk about some of those things that you mentioned that are really holding them back, like imposter syndrome, perfectionism and distraction. So what would you say is like the biggest impact of these blockers?

Ryane:

Fear, it's fear, and what I mean by fear is false evidence appearing real, f-e-a-r. False evidence appearing real, and it sounds so slight. But I'm listening to, for instance, joanna Gaines, a fixed rapper. I'm listening to her book, and at the beginning of her book she does a beautiful job talking about her own insecurities and her own imposter syndrome. She doesn't use that word, but she really talks about perfectionism and she does talk about the word insecurity.

Ryane:

And so it's this idea that we all have these beliefs, and most of them, let me start we all have beliefs. Beliefs are benign, beliefs are habits of thinking, that's all they are. They are not facts To us. They are facts, and they're facts that we don't question. And many of these beliefs, quite frankly, most of them, are learned in childhood, and what we've got to get really like compassionate around is that we were raised by human beings. Right, I'm raising a human being and she's being raised by a human being and, oh my gosh, and mommy does. Mommy rushes her and she tells me you're rushing me. So, at five years old, my daughter is, whether I like it or not, she is developing beliefs about time. She's developing beliefs about her concept of who she is within time? What does it mean for mommy to be rushed? What's my energy, what's my attitude? How harsh am I? How kind am I? Who is she in that moment? And each of us have been children and each of us have been indoctrinated in beliefs. So 30 years from now, she will have a relationship with time that I will have had a huge imprint on positive, negative. Who knows? Verdict is still out, and yet it's a fact that that will happen, right? And so we are walking around in these adult earth suits with the expectation that we know we should we better? Shame on you if you don't. How come you haven't? You're already supposed to know beliefs about what we can and cannot do.

Ryane:

And when we ask ourselves to go outside of the box of any kind of job let alone corporate America, but any kind of job, starbucks, anything they tell you what to do. Here's your value. You're paid this when you're asked. And when I say value, we got to even splice that apart, because our value is never quantified by money, right, and our society? We collapse the two. But that's a whole thing to actually splice out the value of the skill that I am presenting at this. One particular job is worth this money, but not me as a person. That's huge, okay.

Ryane:

Two, when we're talking now about entrepreneurship, we're stepping into crafting everything and stepping into our own value and our own self-worth and being paid for that. So we're opening Pandora's box for things like imposter syndrome, perfectionism. So imposter syndrome being this pervasive thought that, oh my God, they're going to find out that I don't belong here, I am a fraud, and I have to basically hold my breath and hide my light, hide my voice, because they're going to know I'm here regardless of expertise, regardless of history, regardless of knocking it out the park 100,000 times. Second is perfectionism, which is until I am absolutely ready, until everything is 100%, I cannot be seen, they cannot know it. It's too afraid of failure, too afraid of success to be exposed. Distractionism is this idea of I am constantly so overwhelmed, so overstimulated, I cannot seem to prioritize one thing from the other. Everything is important all at the same time. That trifecta is one that I see a lot in high achieving women and it's one that's well ingrained in us. A lot of societal expectations lay on motherhood on top of that, lay on partnerhood on top of that. I mean, it's just, it's a lot that we put on ourselves in our society, and so we are literally ripe for those three mindsets. And also what happens as you're an entrepreneur is.

Ryane:

And I want to recommend this book for anyone who is in well-seasoned, entrepreneur or not. And it is the book called the E-Myth, revisited by a gentleman named Michael Gerber, and he's a guru in small business and this is what he trains. To sum it up really quickly, he says that most entrepreneurs, most small business owners, really aren't entrepreneurs in the way that they go out and they purchase businesses and this kind of thing. They are taking their craft. He says most of us have walked into our place of business one day. We are skilled at something doctoring, baking, lawyer and coaching, whatever and we look around and we have an entrepreneurial seizure and we say, excuse my language but, damn it, I'm smarter than these people here.

Ryane:

I'm going to go do this myself and we do. We start a business and then very quickly we wake up and we realize that our boss is a crazy lunatic who doesn't know what she's doing, outside of that one skill, and the boss is us. Omg, nuts, nuts, nuts. So that again is an exacerbation of, or like an influx or a garage door opening to imposter center and perfectionism and distractionism. Right, who am I to do social media? Who am I to charge people suddenly? Who am I to figure out this calendar system? Who am I to do marketing? I don't know how to do this. My mom told me, like I mean all the things, oh my gosh, we don't even know what we're thinking. Right, it's just. It could go on and on and on about the examples. But now we're asking ourselves to do that. As a business owner, you're asking yourself to do a fraction of your skill and a whole host of learning, which now again, learning is is a trigger for imposter syndrome, perfectionism, because that's called growth. Oh my God, I should already know these things, I should already know how to do that. Look where everyone else is in the world, and so it gets very loopy and if you're a sole preneur, you're by yourself, I mean. So there's just like layer upon layer of how, again, I encourage people to go into entrepreneurship because you can. You can do it.

Ryane:

And back to this book. There's three hats technician hat, which is your doctoring, lawyer hearing. You already know how to do that. Don't read any books about it. Focus on hat number two, managing. Get your management systems in place, your all of your automation that you can do accounts, registrations, all of the all of the management. And third, spend time with your entrepreneurial hat. They're being an entrepreneur. So those three hats technician, which you're probably sounding already, management and you know, entrepreneur, visionary, shaking hands, meeting babies so that's, that is how I think imposterism, perfectionism and distractionism really exacerbate entrepreneurs sort of you know experience in terms of a lot of anxiety and overwhelm that can be managed. And two, those three hats of entrepreneurship are really helpful to foster within, within oneself.

Angela:

Yeah, I love all of that. And yeah, I'm a recovering perfectionist and I still cut myself sometimes. Yeah, me too.

Ryane:

Me too. Yeah, and understand absolutely. I call myself recovering too, because it's something that you know life has all kinds of, of course.

Angela:

Every moment, every day triggers it's like oh, there it is again you know, wow, self is there, it's pervasive and I have so many friends in the entrepreneurial space who have such amazing gifts to offer and they're so stuck in. Well, I have to get this sales page right first. I can't launch until I do this. I can't start talking about my offer until I really and it's like no, just start, just start, you know, and I think it holds people back.

Ryane:

So for so long, I could not agree with you more, Angela. I could not agree with you more. And it's finding that sweet spot of holding grace for yourself to learn and do at the same time, yeah. And it's, it's, you know, it is a learning balance. I think yeah, all along for sure. Yeah, well said.

Angela:

Exactly, yeah, I had to learn how to. One of my mentors said this like build the, build the plane as you're flying. I loved that, yes.

Ryane:

Yeah, it's so true, it's so true. Yeah, and fix it too, right? Oh no, there's the wing. Oh my God. Yeah, fly, build and fix. Yeah, it's true, and the capacity to do that, that you can and you have, and you coach people to do it. You know it's, it's really powerful.

Angela:

Yeah, so I'd love for you to talk about something I saw on your website. You mentioned the three energies of professional advancement.

Ryane:

Yes, absolutely. So. There are actually eight steps to my process and there are three foundational steps and these are the steps that, in every single coaching call with my clients, I set as the intention. So the first three are clarity, courage and confidence. I'm going to break them down for you. So clarity we've got to get really clear on the things that we want.

Ryane:

So many people include in listen when I say so many people, I am included in all of these things, working these things for myself. There have been so many times in my own life where, lacking clarity, what do I? And for you, what do you listener, what do you want? What do you want and how specific can you actually get with that? And that can really sitting with that can really cause a lot of consternation. If you're not sure, particularly if imposter syndrome, perfectionism and distractionism, if that trifecta is holding you hostage, that can be a very difficult question. What do you want? Well, what am I? What's expected of me? What do other people want? What should I want? I don't really know, I've never, you know. So that again in and of itself can even exacerbate what someone's already feeling. So we're kind of catching ourselves in this. But the question what do you want?

Ryane:

The second part of clarity is what is false evidence appearing real, telling you what does fear say? We've got to get really clear on that, because we can only soar as high as our mindset will allow us, and if there are self-limiting beliefs, it's as high as you can go, that's it. We can only do what we believe. We might know, I know, I know, I know I should put these potato chips down, but I believe that I'm not really worth it, you know, and I just I'm tired. I believe I'm more tired than I am energized, and so in this moment, I'm just going to do what I believe, even though that's that is not a conscious conversation, it's I should put these down, I don't feel like it, I'm going to sit here is what it turns into. And now I'm shamed that I don't do what I say I'm going to do, and that's a loop over and over and over again. So, this idea of really tapping into what does fear say, because fear has so much wisdom. You, each of you, have gotten you where you are and each of you, I'm more than sure, have a lot of success under your belt. You got you there, so began to really trust that, one, you can get where you want to go. And two, the fearful questions that you're asking that you can answer those questions, that they're, that they're there to be answered.

Ryane:

Like a question I had the other day for myself was, you know, boiled down to what am I doing wrong? And I have this. And I, fortunately I have a coach. I believe in coaching. I have had consistent coaching for as long as I've been in business, which has transformed myself and and my business, quite frankly. And so just Tuesday I'm in a coaching conversation with my coach about my own goals and the question was what am I doing wrong? And we were talking about the wisdom of fear and you know the conversation turned into well, one, you have the capacity to answer the question. So what is the question? What are is the question?

Ryane:

are you doing something wrong. And I had to really look at that. Well, just like I thought, well, just because it's a question doesn't mean I'm actually doing anything wrong. Huh, so what's behind the question? How do I either be more consistent? But there's wisdom in this nagging fear question that kept saying what are you doing wrong? What are you doing wrong? What are you you know? And so pause, listen to fear, get clear on it. Number two is courage Having the courage to reframe what fear is saying and lean into the direction of what you want. That requires courage. From the point of courage, we can take confident action. So that triad really helps to dismantle perfectionism, imposter syndrome and distractionism, because you are now coming from a point of clarity, a point of courage and a point of confidence.

Angela:

Yep, I love that so much, so true, and I love asking, or stopping to ask yourself about that question that's repeating in your head. That's so important.

Ryane:

Absolutely, because the benefit of that one is answering the question right, which so often we're like afraid of the answer because the question seems so scary. And then, two, it's a surge in confidence that the answer is there. So it really does behoove us and we're not taught to, but it really helps us to like sit with the muck and the yuck because there is so much wisdom there. And essentially that's what coaching, that's what it does. You know, through the very holistic process, it helps a person to really sit with those questions. That's certainly what I do with my clients, yeah.

Angela:

Yeah, and I would love for you to share with us how you generally work with people like what does that look like and where people can find you online if they're interested in working with you. Yeah, absolutely.

Ryane:

So what does it look like? What I love about coaching is that one one coaching as a field can look, it's always individual. I think therapies too, it's a personal craft, which is awesome. And then also the thing about coaching is that I am a formal coach. So in my coaching conversations or my coaching sessions it's very if someone has not worked with a coach, essentially what it is. It's goal oriented, meaning like at the top of the call, we set an intention for I'm really looking to work on this thing.

Ryane:

And then it's provocative or provoking questions about what is that? What does that look like for you? What would success be? What are you afraid of? What do you? What opportunities are here? What might be holding you back? And so there's a level of questioning and introspection. That happens, and this creates a sense of self-awareness for a person. Oh, I didn't realize I was having that behavior or having that thought, or really I didn't realize that was holding me back. And here are now some tools to rethink this and so really transforming sort of the mindset, that piece which is so awesome and so very important.

Ryane:

And then the other thing I love about my practice is that I'm a holistic coach, so I use all of my intuitive gifts with my clients, and many of my intuitive gifts are one, the gift of intuition. So I am constantly reading their energy, reading my own energy and having intuitive messages, which is different than advice. I'm not advising someone to do something. I am getting a download of like oh wait, here's some. Here's like a block of information. Here it is. What does this mean? How is it impacting you? I also within that energy space and very attuned to chakra healing. So, really, looking at like, for instance, I was talking. I had a client call just today with an entrepreneur who, at the very end of all of what we're talking about, is enoughness, am I enough? Am I enough for whatever the dream is? And so we were talking, and so the way it was registering for her was the emotion of guilt.

Ryane:

For me, what was stuck in my energetic body was shame, and that's an intergenerational imprint, and we were talking for her today was guilt, and so what I did was, after really coaching through where she was, what was coming up for her, we moved into an energy clearing.

Ryane:

So at that point I went through a guided meditation with her to really help her relax, but also very specifically to speak to her subconscious mind through, really through hypnotherapy, to help her really embody the messages that we were speaking about, about untangling the guilt essentially.

Ryane:

And then I was able to go into her energetic field and this is all at a distance over the phone and tap into where in her body was she holding this energy? And then, through various techniques, I helped to release that energy that's in, so that she is essentially like less I want to say the word resonant, but like she's not resonating or vibrating at the frequency of guilt, meaning like all of life. She's living all of life, like should I pick up this thing or not, should I buy this thing or not, should I call my mom or not, should I go out on a date or not? And so everything's imprinted with a sense of twinge of guilt there, twinge, oh, I feel guilty, I feel guilty. And so really to alleviate that from her experience, so that she's like should I pick up that thing?

Angela:

I don't know.

Ryane:

Do I want to pick up that thing, do I not want to pick up that thing?

Ryane:

And it's actually like a objective question without why I feel guilty about that.

Ryane:

And so now she's, you know, at a different level of almost neutrality within herself, and that's kind of a one to the coaching and that energy perspective. Now, also, say, because I work with entrepreneurs and people who are moving up in their career, it's all steeped in like what we were talking about today was her business, and so I'm like, but believe it or not, it was all about her and a business objective. You know, she wants to expand, she wants to play bigger in the domain that she's in, and so what, what people come to me with is I feel stuck in my career, for stuck in my business, and what, very quickly, you know, we identify as, oh my gosh, I actually feel stuck within myself because I'm in a relationship with us, and so I, you know, which is true of the marketing and everything else, is entrepreneurs and rising career, which is true, but creation is creation and dream manifestation is dream manifestation. I just happen to have the lens of, you know, career and entrepreneur, but it's really all the same.

Angela:

Now I love that I didn't know that you incorporated all of that into your coaching sessions, which I think is amazing, and I feel like I mean I've been trained with mystics and shaman, so I'm like really into all of that and I think what is the future like? Making it more holistic in that way, for sure.

Ryane:

Well, thank you for the affirmation, because that was, you know, that was a growth honestly for me and I could talk about, you know, for your listeners, you, each of you, has a calling, with any whatever that is to big cupcakes, to big pies, it doesn't matter, it's all the same, it's a calling and and it can be a journey to accepting your calling. You know most, at least when I started this, most mystics don't look like me, sound like me, people who look like me, sound like me, are not talking mystic things most of the time. So kind of really come to a journey of like accepting this about myself and accepting the truth of it. So so I wanted to kind of put that plug in there too, like again that I'm posture syndrome. There it is again. You know there was a good and really you know each of you just holding fast to your callings because it is yours Absolutely.

Angela:

Yeah, I mean and to that point it took me a long time I've been in the finance world, startup Silicon Valley, a lot of just 3D, you know, but on, but quietly. I was also training and all of the spiritual enlightenment for seven years before I even had the idea like these should be merged. So yeah, exactly, it feels like they should be kept separate, but really I think the future is merging all of that.

Ryane:

so Agreed, agreed, yeah, and again, just again, affirmation there's two people who are, who are witnessing for you that it seems. I love it, angela, like you are one being, and yet to separate almost lives like a whole, outside, like, and then quietly in the background, and we do that. I completely understand that. You know, I was even in the coaching space, you know, and quietly, a mystic, and it's like even tapped into something that was within the same domain and not feeling comfortable. So you know, really, again affirming for folks like you do not have to live these polar lives, there is an intersection for all of you, absolutely. I'd love that. Thanks for sharing that.

Angela:

Yeah, thank you, and so I know you mentioned one book. One of my questions was going to be what are a few of your favorite, like spiritual books or any kind of books that have helped you?

Ryane:

Yes, absolutely, okay, so absolutely from the business perspective, I would say the emith revisited is a big one. Also from a business perspective, I think business made simple is really big and tell you story brands and I think by Right Donald Miller yeah. There it is Donald Miller.

Ryane:

Yes, oh, anything by him is okay so I would say for business, those are. Those are some really, really good ones, I would say. For mindset, a huge one has been the big leap by gay Hendricks. That's huge because he talks a really, really, really beautifully about upper limit mindsets what might upper, what upper limits us and how to how to really overcome your upper limits so awesome. Another one that was hugely impactful I ran a book club for this specifically, so I could like go on and try and try to be very specific is the courage to be disliked is a really powerful book.

Ryane:

It's written and I am so sorry that I have not committed the two authors names to memory but it is based on Adlerian psychology, which was new to me. But Adlerian psychology is really this idea that, like you know, so so much of what we choose to do is to avoid the vulnerability of being disliked. Right, I'm going to mute my voice because what will people think I'm going to do? This was what will people think. And Adlerian psychology is this idea of I want to call it individualism, but it's not. It's really interpersonal relationships. It's my. My relationship with everyone is based on my relationship with me, and if I'm okay with me, it doesn't matter if somebody does just not like me and taking like that stance to the world, and that that was really shifting.

Ryane:

Wow, and very powerful ones, mystics, wise, I think. Joe dispensers work is phenomenal. Wendy de Rosa is phenomenal. She's a mystic and, like the chakra, empath space, really, really profound work. Luis, hey, I think you know just very classic Talk to yourself. Oh, my god makes such a difference. Yeah, I think those are the ones that are downloading up front.

Angela:

Yeah, those are really good ones. I love Dr Joda Spenza. Every night I spend an hour like watching his. I'm in one of his courses and like I could just watch his stuff like all day. It's so amazing.

Ryane:

So good, he's so good. Thank you for actually bringing him back into my world because he is so good. Yeah, he is. Thank you for that affirmation. Yeah, but I do. Oh, and another big one from the neurobiological perspective is Bruce Lipton. So the biology I'm also really into trauma. So your body keeps the score. Those kinds of things are really, you know, I mean that's just profound work. Yeah, absolutely oh.

Angela:

I love it.

Ryane:

I love we have so many intersections. It's so fun. Yeah, joda Spenda is powerful. Yeah, I mean just like, oh, yeah, sit with that one for a while.

Angela:

Definitely. And then I always like to ask fellow mothers, because I'm a mother as well how you do you have any specific rituals you do in your day to kind of balance or keep yourself grounded?

Ryane:

They change over time. My daughter's five so it has changed. I would, you know, really woke up very, very, very early for a while to have some time. It's now summer. She's in summer camp. I find myself like literally sleeping till the very last minute. It's actually now a ritual. Quite honestly, that's a ritual. I think this is an area where actually I am finding myself. A couple of things have happened. We've moved several times. Covid really was not helpful at all. We were very, very isolated because we had just moved my daughter's five.

Ryane:

I'm not around my very, very, very close girlfriends, so I have noticed that my like Genesee Qua, I like have something really tap into that right now, like that's a and thank you for that question because it's like outside of, outside of, like you know, trying to stay hydrated and those important things. It's like what are those rituals? And they really, and I think as a healer, you know, as a person who's like in the space of healing, these are the things that can get really sidelined, like for real, you know, and they're important. My coach said the other day self-care done myself is not necessarily self-care. Me painting my nails is not really self-care, you know, and getting your nails painted isn't necessarily self-care either.

Ryane:

However, it is. If that's giving you a sense of like, ownership over yourself, and it is making you feel, you know, a sense of like E. E is, we had cleaning, like I worked as a family, that they came today, that has made a huge difference. Those things are huge. They're huge. So I have a few. You know, our cleaning team is one and an exercise and those kinds of things and they all kind of did the will and dabble and fall off, but that's a huge one and thank you for, you know, bringing that back on my radar because it's actually something I've been really, really contemplating, like what's going on? You know it's. It's one we got to manage as caretakers.

Angela:

No, definitely I feel the same. My son he's the youngest, so he's three and a half, and I had been in a really good ritual where I would get up at five am and do one of Joe Dispenza's 45 minute meditations, which you know it's a big chunk of time. But now his sleep schedule is changing a little bit and I don't think I can manage getting up at four am at the moment. So I'm like I think I fit this in and I definitely feel a difference when I do some kind of meditation, even if it's just five minutes or something. But I find with kids, as their schedule changes, it kind of, you know, obviously it impacts us too.

Ryane:

So it really does. It really does. I don't know if your little ones are bluey fans, but I happen to follow bluey on Instagram, which is so funny because one of the memes was something like bluey is really a gentle parenting guide for the kids to enjoy it, but also it's something like being an adult is basically or. The reason I don't remember anything is because my child asked me like 50 million times a day about something, and then I can't even remember where my coffee is. So it's not really me, it's like, so absolutely, it's a whole. You know, it's a whole another thing of self care, and then I'll, let alone with a little person. It's such a wonderful question.

Angela:

Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you for sharing what you're doing and so, if for the people listening, can you share your website and where they can find you on social media?

Ryane:

Yeah, yes, absolutely. So two things. If someone is feeling like, oh my gosh, I've like seriously, have to call her immediately and we have to chat, I offer a discovery call. So you will find that on my website book a discovery call, it's right there. If you're like, oh, this is so interesting and I wonder more about imposter syndrome and perfectionism and distractionism, I offer a free quiz, which is also on the website, and the website is wwwinspirebrandconsulting Inspire Brand Consulting, and on Instagram, linkedin, facebook, it's all Inspire Brand Consulting. So you can find all of that there. But there's the quiz in the call.

Angela:

If someone is interested in finding out more, Okay, perfect, and you can find all of that in the show notes too, for anyone listening. Awesome.

Ryane:

Awesome.

Angela:

Thank you so much. It was such a pleasure to talk to you and to hear all about your story and what you offer, so thank you for coming on.

Ryane:

Thank you, Angela. Thank you to your listening audience. It's been really fun.

Angela:

Thank you so much for listening to the 5D CFO podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, please share it and tag me on social media. You can find me at Angela Marie Christian on Instagram, facebook and TikTok. If you haven't purchased my bestselling book Manifestation Mastery yet, it's priced at $0.99 on Amazon for the Kindle version.

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