Jersey’s Music Maverick: Matty Carlock on Blending Genres and Breaking Barriers

In this episode of Greetings from the Garden State, host Mike Ham sits down with Matty Carlock—singer-songwriter, producer, and hardcore music veteran—at the iconic Berkeley Hotel in Asbury Park. Matty shares his inspiring journey, starting from his punk and hardcore roots to evolving into a multi-genre artist blending folk, hip-hop, and more. They discuss his DIY ethic, relentless drive, and the creative process behind his latest projects.

Matty opens up about formative influences like Bruce Springsteen, navigating the punk scene in New Jersey, and why failure is a critical part of success. From playing basement shows to working with legends like Jesse Malin and collaborations with Fetty Wap, Matty reflects on the chaos, triumphs, and lessons that shaped his career.

This episode is a must-listen for music lovers, aspiring artists, and anyone passionate about forging their own creative path.

What You’ll Hear in This Episode:

• Matty’s early exposure to New Jersey’s music scene and punk culture.
• His transition from screaming in hardcore bands to becoming a singer-songwriter.
• Lessons learned from touring solo with just an acoustic guitar.
• Collaborations with Jesse Malin, Danny Clinch, and Fetty Wap.
• The duality of working across genres like folk and hip-hop.
• Advice for young creatives on taking control of their art and careers.

Guest Links:

• Instagram: @mattycarlock
• Music on Spotify: Matty Carlock
• YouTube Channel: 115 Collective

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Transcript

Matty Carlock [0:00 - 0:00]: Foreign. 

Mike Ham [0:20 - 0:32]: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Greetings for the Guard State, powered by the New Jersey Lottery. I'm your host, Mike Ham. We're here at the Berkeley. So the Berkeley, shout out to them for hooking us up with this dope ass room. 

Matty Carlock [0:32 - 0:33]: We got a chandelier. 

Mike Ham [0:34 - 0:35]: Yeah, the chandelier is cool. 

Matty Carlock [0:35 - 0:36]: We have a chandelier. 

Mike Ham [0:36 - 0:39]: A chandelier. Johnny Cash in the back. 

Matty Carlock [0:39 - 0:40]: Is that him? 

Mike Ham [0:40 - 0:43]: Yeah. Johnny Cash actually has a lot of history here at the Berkeley. 

Matty Carlock [0:43 - 0:44]: Is that true? 

Mike Ham [0:44 - 0:57]: Yeah, he used. He, like, owned the top floor of the Berkeley. Like, when he would come through this area, he just, like, would reserve all the suites upstairs. Like, that was Johnny Cash's spot. So, like, if you go. Remember when we did the cheer event? 

Matty Carlock [0:57 - 0:57]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [0:57 - 1:04]: Down this hall there's, like a wall that has all Johnny Cash pict because of that. How random is that? 

Matty Carlock [1:04 - 1:07]: That's pretty sick. Yeah, that's pretty sick. I didn't even know that. 

Mike Ham [1:07 - 1:09]: Yeah. Well, we're with Matty Carlock. 

Matty Carlock [1:09 - 1:12]: We are far from Johnny Cash. 

Mike Ham [1:13 - 1:14]: Well, not yet. 

Matty Carlock [1:14 - 1:15]: We'll see. 

Mike Ham [1:15 - 1:17]: But so welcome to the show. 

Matty Carlock [1:17 - 1:29]: Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. We did it the first time, just very briefly in the other room. And maybe the next time we do it, we'll just have the whole floor. 

Mike Ham [1:29 - 1:31]: Yeah. Upgrading. 

Matty Carlock [1:31 - 1:31]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [1:31 - 1:35]: Yeah, maybe like, next time we'll do when it's nice out and we'll do it from, like the roof or something. 

Matty Carlock [1:35 - 1:39]: Yeah, we just keep progressing into Johnny Cash territory. 

Mike Ham [1:40 - 1:53]: Next time we'll be like second floor, but on the. Not the ocean side. Then we'll make it to ocean side, and then we'll just keep going up the floors. So. Yeah. We met at the. What a wonderful year cheer event. You played that night, which was awesome. 

Matty Carlock [1:53 - 1:54]: Thank you. 

Mike Ham [1:54 - 1:56]: That was the first time I've ever seen you play. 

Matty Carlock [1:56 - 2:02]: Thank you. That was a very interesting day because I didn't have a guitar and I didn't have any songs. 

Mike Ham [2:02 - 2:03]: Oh. 

Matty Carlock [2:03 - 2:11]: Cause I just, like, right before I got on the plane to, like, come back here, I wrote and memorized, like, all new songs. 

Mike Ham [2:11 - 2:11]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [2:12 - 2:13]: Even though I just put an EP out. 

Mike Ham [2:13 - 2:14]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [2:14 - 2:19]: And I didn't bring my guitar home for. It was just one of those situations where I'm like, well, I feel like. 

Mike Ham [2:19 - 2:21]: At that place you're gonna know that you're gonna run into somebody with a guitar. 

Matty Carlock [2:21 - 2:57]: Yeah. It was just hilarious. Just no guitar. And I was like, oh, I guess I should probably play my record that people in Asbury park. Like the one with Jared Hart. And Jesse Mallon and Danny and stuff. And like, I don't know those songs and I don't even have a guitar. So I got a guitar and like I got there an hour before I played and we sat in the back next to the freezer and learned the songs. Like. And then. Okay, okay, we have the songs and then got on stage and played this level. It was very funny. It was just like. Learn the songs. 

Mike Ham [2:58 - 2:59]: Sure. Play them in front of. 

Matty Carlock [2:59 - 3:00]: Play that whole house right now. 

Mike Ham [3:00 - 3:01]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [3:01 - 3:04]: Sold out. Yeah, from what I was told. Which is oversold. 

Mike Ham [3:04 - 3:05]: I don't know if we'd say that. 

Matty Carlock [3:05 - 3:08]: Oversold? Is that illegal? I don't know. 

Mike Ham [3:08 - 3:09]: I don't know. But it was sold out. 

Matty Carlock [3:10 - 3:15]: Yes. It was very. It was, it was pretty cool. It was. Yeah, it was awesome. It was very fast. 

Mike Ham [3:15 - 3:45]: Well, I thought it was cool. So I didn't. I mean, I saw you guys because I came backstage for a little bit because Tony's my girl. Like, we always hang out. Every time that I'm there, she's the one that runs like the back. Oh, yeah. So. Because we put on a show there in November when like we became friendly and then she was telling me all about her life, which is, I should have her on the show, honestly, because it's wild. Yeah. But I saw you guys in like the back back and like, I didn't really know what you were doing. I just felt like this like musician. 

Matty Carlock [3:45 - 3:45]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [3:46 - 4:07]: And then I, I thought your set was really cool and unique because obviously, I mean, that night everybody that got up on stage murdered. I mean, it was like every single band was awesome. Bands I knew, bands I've seen play before. That was like one of the best sets I've ever seen them play. Other people like yourself, like, never seen you play but was like, holy shit. Like, this is, this is the best. 

Matty Carlock [4:08 - 4:09]: Thank you. 

Mike Ham [4:09 - 4:17]: But then you had like other people join you. Like, you know, Bobby Mahoney came up there. I know Palm came up there real quick. Bulletproof bell, you know. 

Matty Carlock [4:17 - 5:24]: Yeah, that was kind of like. That was like my. Well, anytime we play, anytime I usually play. I mean, we did. I mean we had like a good four year run at the Stone Pony right before the Pandemic where it sold out every year. And it was. Usually it was me supporting Jesse Mallon and I would just. I don't know what it is. I think it comes from hardcore. Like when I would play hardcore shows when I was a kid, we, we would just always pass the mic around and people would do guest spots and stuff and same in the hip hop community, that's, like, pretty relevant. And that just always stuck with me. So I was like, for this show, I want to bring back that community. And Jared wasn't around to sing Punks that Had Enough. And Bobby did it one year with me at one of the Jesse Mallon shows, and he smoked it. I was like, let's do it again. But since we're on this side stage and it's just acoustic, let's make it as, like, intense as possible. Like a punk hardcore show. Because all those shows are usually on the floor and there's like, hundreds of people, but it's a floor show. 

Mike Ham [5:24 - 5:24]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [5:24 - 6:05]: Yeah. And I was like, how can we, like, how can we finesse the fact that I'm just playing an acoustic guitar in the corner of the room and not on a big stage and kind of like, make it like this moment? I was like, let's fucking run it. Yes. Every single song. Let's do. Let's get a rapper up there. Let's get to Dark City Lights with Belle. Bobby Will come, and Jared and Palm. We did Atlantic City. I was supposed to have somebody come and do Geralyn, but I don't know. I don't think it worked. Obviously it didn't work out because we didn't do it, but. Yeah, but I didn't know any of these songs, like, 20 minutes before he even played. So it was a miracle that we even got on the goddamn. 

Mike Ham [6:05 - 6:21]: I think it was like a clip from the Atlantic, at least the Atlantic City one. And you got to like one. I mean, like, everyone knows Atlantic City, but they just know, like, meet me. You know, like that part. And then you got to like one of the verses, and you were like, I don't know this one. And somebody else was like. They yelled it out. And you're like, oh, yeah. Then you just kept going with it. That was great DIY stuff. 

Matty Carlock [6:21 - 6:46]: Yeah. What was really funny is during that, I couldn't really hear anything standing on that little thing with the monitors. And all I heard. All I heard the entire song was Joe Palm smashing that cowbell and. Yeah. In my ear. That's all. I couldn't hear my vocals. I couldn't hear. And I just. Ding, ding. 

Mike Ham [6:46 - 6:46]: Listen. He gets. 

Matty Carlock [6:47 - 6:49]: It was amazing. It was so punk. 

Mike Ham [6:49 - 6:49]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [6:49 - 6:50]: It was so sick. 

Mike Ham [6:50 - 7:11]: It was awesome. Yeah. So that was. But that was the first day that you and I met and so kind of like, learn like, listening to more of your music now. We added a bunch of your stuff to the. To the radio station. All that so, like, all our DJs have access to it. But I want to know more about you. So you don't live in Jersey now. You live in la, Los Angeles. 

Matty Carlock [7:11 - 7:12]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [7:12 - 7:17]: Yeah. So is that going okay for you right now? It's not like fire? 

Matty Carlock [7:17 - 7:24]: Oh, with the fires, it probably is. I mean, I live right under Runyon Canyon. 

Mike Ham [7:24 - 7:25]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [7:25 - 7:50]: So the Sunset fires were really bad. And where my building is that I live in was in the evacuation zone, but at the very end of the evacuation zone. So if that fire got any worse, totally would have lost my apartment, car, everything. But I did bring my good hard drive back to New Jersey. So if everything went up in flames, I have my album still at my client work and everything on my hard drive. 

Mike Ham [7:50 - 7:51]: Yeah. Smart. 

Matty Carlock [7:51 - 8:07]: You know what I mean? So I was like, fuck it, you know, at least I got this right. They could take the car. They can, you know. But, yeah, as far as I'm aware, everything's kind of. I'm pretty lucky where I'm at. I'm at the very end of it. 

Mike Ham [8:07 - 8:14]: Yeah, for sure. Which is great. So that's awesome. So. But you grew up in this area? 

Matty Carlock [8:14 - 8:15]: Grew up here, yeah. Yeah. 

Mike Ham [8:16 - 8:18]: And what was that experience? So how old are you? 

Matty Carlock [8:18 - 8:19]: I'm 34. 

Mike Ham [8:19 - 8:27]: Oh, me too. Okay, so we're the same age. What was it like growing up in this area? In the 90s, being a 90s baby here in. In the Asbury park area. 

Matty Carlock [8:27 - 8:31]: Wow, that's pretty. I've never been asked that. Really? Yeah, I've never. 

Mike Ham [8:31 - 8:32]: Crazy question. 

Matty Carlock [8:32 - 8:37]: Yeah. I've never been asked that music immediately. 

Mike Ham [8:37 - 8:40]: Yeah. You're just like, immersed in it. Pretty much. 

Matty Carlock [8:40 - 8:48]: Yeah. My mom is a pretty serious Springsteen fan, but, like, for real. 

Mike Ham [8:48 - 8:48]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [8:49 - 8:50]: Not like these people who are here now. 

Mike Ham [8:50 - 8:52]: She knows all the words to Atlanta. 

Matty Carlock [8:52 - 9:12]: Oh, yeah. Not only that, she used. She. If he was practicing there, she would be out there listening to the practices. Like back in the day when he would practice at Convention hall, she would travel around to all the concerts and stuff. Pretty sure she had her bachelorette party at the Stone Pony with her friends and stuff. 

Mike Ham [9:12 - 9:14]: So she's a ride or die. 

Matty Carlock [9:14 - 9:29]: Yeah. Springsteen was a religion. A lot of my uncles and stuff were musicians. She was a piano player. But my dad's like a pretty serious union worker, blue collar guy. They're both from Staten Island, New York, so we have the Irish, Italian. 

Mike Ham [9:29 - 9:30]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [9:30 - 9:32]: You can picture that household growing up. 

Mike Ham [9:32 - 9:32]: Totally. 

Matty Carlock [9:32 - 9:37]: Yeah. Amazing. But also a nightmare. Yeah. 

Mike Ham [9:37 - 9:40]: You just get used to it. And you get outside that house and you're just like, oh, my God. 

Matty Carlock [9:40 - 9:43]: Yeah, I'm a little aggressive. Yeah. 

Mike Ham [9:43 - 9:44]: Some sharp edges. 

Matty Carlock [9:44 - 9:47]: Yeah. I'm kind of rubbing people the wrong way here. 

Mike Ham [9:50 - 9:55]: So when. So Mom's a big Bruce Springsteen fan. Dad's a blue collar guy. 

Matty Carlock [9:56 - 10:48]: Looks like. Looked exactly like Bruce building cars in the driveway. Like, old 50s cars built, like, getting old 50s cars that are, like, broken. I don't even know the word for it, and I don't know anything about cars, but. And then fixing them up, watching them fix them up when I was growing up and then just, like, flipping them. Always in car shows, like, it literally is like Eddie and the Cruisers, the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would go to the shore down to Seaside, Chadwick beach every year with my cousins and my friends and stuff. So we saw that side. But growing up in elementary school, I was babysat. This is, like, a vital thing. I was babysat by my mom's best friend. Her name is Judy. Judy's oldest son in the basement. Had a hardcore band. 

Mike Ham [10:48 - 10:49]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [10:49 - 11:15]: So I'm in, like, third, fourth grade, going over there and just seeing punks and hardcore kids. And this is right when Thursday started bubbling up. And, like, Chrome was, like, a thing. And they would play with Thursday and, like, very, very early micam and stuff. So I'm like, third, fourth grade. Around these kind of sneaking down there and seeing these iconic figures and just feeling this energy. And it was off to the races. 

Mike Ham [11:15 - 11:16]: Formative years kind of thing. 

Matty Carlock [11:16 - 11:21]: Yeah. And I was off to the races from there. And by 2004, I was Roding for hardcore bands. 

Mike Ham [11:21 - 11:21]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [11:21 - 11:29]: Yeah. Which I think it was seventh grade. Yeah, yeah. Leaving and getting in a van and going to Hellfest and stuff like that. 

Mike Ham [11:29 - 11:38]: So what? Like, I'm curious. So mom, music fan, did she play music or just piano? 

Matty Carlock [11:38 - 11:43]: More of, like, a fan piano. She could play piano. She would be like, this is a D chord. And like, this is. Yeah. 

Mike Ham [11:43 - 11:44]: Was dad like, what the fuck, Matty? 

Matty Carlock [11:44 - 11:47]: Like, yeah, my dad. My dad. 

Mike Ham [11:47 - 11:49]: Let's fix some cars, dude. 

Matty Carlock [11:49 - 11:57]: Yeah, dad was. But dad, he was just working a lot in all the five boroughs, delivering concrete and stuff. 

Mike Ham [11:57 - 11:58]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [11:58 - 12:22]: Wasn't around a lot. Cause he was obviously providing for his family. And there's a commute involved and stuff. So it just kind of left me just, like, devouring records and just by myself. And then, you know, you start meeting up with the freaks and start skateboarding. But, like, I found punk and hardcore, like, very, very early. So we're talking, like, I'm going to Philly. I'm going to Connecticut. I'm going to these different places. Like, Going to hardcore shows. 

Mike Ham [12:24 - 12:26]: That's Margot. She's the one that gave us. 

Matty Carlock [12:26 - 12:27]: Amazing. 

Mike Ham [12:27 - 12:30]: Yeah. Which is crazy to think. So. 

Matty Carlock [12:30 - 12:46]: 2004, I started hanging out here very early, going to hardcore shows here at Club Deep across the street before it got shut down. All the hardcore shows at the Lanes and then the Fast Lanes next to it, and then the Stone Pony as well. Like, we're talking, like, middle school. 

Mike Ham [12:46 - 12:52]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, you said 2004, I think. I mean, we were 14 years old like, doing stuff like that. 

Matty Carlock [12:52 - 12:52]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [12:52 - 12:54]: You know, that's crazy. 

Matty Carlock [12:54 - 12:55]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [12:55 - 13:01]: So obviously, like, it becomes, like, a big part of your life early on. You're, like, probably the coolest kid in middle school. 

Matty Carlock [13:01 - 13:04]: No, no, no. 

Mike Ham [13:04 - 13:07]: Okay. So, yeah. On the cutting edge of punk rock, though, for sure. 

Matty Carlock [13:08 - 13:08]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [13:08 - 13:09]: When it came to everybody there. 

Matty Carlock [13:09 - 13:52]: Yeah, I wasn't really. Me and my friends were like. We were. I'm trying to think. Like, I don't really even have memories of school at all to even know my relevance in, like, the social hierarchy. Yeah. Like, we literally went to shows every single night in the Tri State and then skateboarded. Like, we were just completely gone, you know? I don't even know how I finished middle school. Like. Yeah, it was just a lot of Tri State traveling, skateboarding, getting into crazy shit and just, like, ducking the law and graffiti. Yeah, it was a proper. 

Mike Ham [13:52 - 13:53]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [13:53 - 14:01]: Yeah. It was living the life. Yeah, it was fucking amazing. Yeah, it was fucking amazing all in. Yeah. We didn't want dad to be too home. You know what I mean? We got shit to do. 

Mike Ham [14:01 - 14:01]: Exactly. 

Matty Carlock [14:02 - 14:03]: We're taking over the world graffiti to. 

Mike Ham [14:03 - 14:04]: Paint, you know, like. 

Matty Carlock [14:04 - 14:08]: Yeah, we don't need you home. We're in the freight yards in Sayreville. 

Mike Ham [14:08 - 14:10]: Yeah, we're doing just fine. 

Matty Carlock [14:10 - 14:10]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [14:10 - 14:28]: Yeah. So. So punk, you're doing all this stuff, and so then you start playing shows. What's. Like, you told me when we did the cheer show that you went from punk to folk. And so, like, at what point does that metamorphosis take place? 

Matty Carlock [14:29 - 14:33]: So, okay, so this is where it gets a little hairy, like, for me. 

Mike Ham [14:34 - 14:38]: I know you still have a hand in pretty much everything, but the first. 

Matty Carlock [14:38 - 14:42]: Music I ever made with, like, my friends and stuff was. Was hip hop music. 

Mike Ham [14:42 - 14:43]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [14:43 - 14:50]: So I, like, started making beats and I was an engineer, like, pretty. Pretty early. Like, making beats and recording and, like. 

Mike Ham [14:50 - 14:52]: And you're just, like, teaching yourself how to do this stuff. 

Matty Carlock [14:52 - 15:16]: Yeah, like, rapping with my friends. I had, like, mixtapes on, like, MySpace and stuff, and then. But that kind of. I Think the scene here in Asbury park. And I don't know if you remember, but the scene in Red bank was fucking huge. Like touring, like live nation shows would come through Red bank and play like Internet cafe and Chubby's. And like that whole downtown area was so rich of like, it's like it. It was this before. 

Mike Ham [15:16 - 15:17]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [15:17 - 15:19]: This. This got gentrified again. 

Mike Ham [15:19 - 15:19]: Yeah, yeah. 

Matty Carlock [15:19 - 15:31]: So those shows you could go in and see like a hardcore band and then right after that band on the same bill, there's a rapper and then a folk musician and like, it was just like all mixed into one. 

Mike Ham [15:31 - 15:32]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [15:32 - 16:00]: So from very early on, I was kind of doing all of these things at once. And so I think that kind of like plugged into my head that no matter how deep into punk and hardcore I got, I didn't think I was almost wise enough to whatever degree to know that like Springsteen and Bob Dylan and stuff like that was cool. 

Mike Ham [16:00 - 16:00]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [16:01 - 16:01]: You know what I mean? 

Mike Ham [16:01 - 16:02]: Music appreciation. 

Matty Carlock [16:02 - 16:03]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [16:03 - 16:06]: Like, it may not be like your thing right now, but you understand. 

Matty Carlock [16:06 - 16:54]: I was always in the back of the van in my punk band, listening to Dylan. A lot of the early lyrics of my early hardcore bands that people liked, I'm ripping off Springsteen lyrics. I wore that shit proudly for some reason instead of. Instead of running away from it that a lot of other people did. So my point is, though, through out touring and stuff and just being on the road a lot in these bands, I always had an acoustic guitar in the van and I would just like fiddle in the back on like 18 hour drives to God fucking knows who. And we were on the road a lot. Like we like literally left for years. Like literally living at Walmart and like living in just crack dens and like meth houses and stuff like that. 

Mike Ham [16:54 - 16:54]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [16:54 - 16:57]: I would just always finger pick and play these folk songs. 

Mike Ham [16:58 - 17:02]: Your buddy's like, what the fuck, dude? Like, cut. That's not punk. 

Matty Carlock [17:02 - 17:13]: The funny thing is about our band, we were definitely ass beaters. We were never bullies. We were ass beaters for sure. Which is pretty much why the band didn't make it. 

Mike Ham [17:13 - 17:15]: It's like hard to maintain. 

Matty Carlock [17:15 - 17:41]: Yeah. Def. Yeah. But we were romantics. Like the song. I was the singer and primarily the songwriter. So any aggressive music that I made, they were for the most part like very relatable love songs about what I was going through. Because I really loved like American Nightmare. I really loved like Modern Life is War. I really love Storytelling of what? Or Thursday. Like, I always kept that emo lyric in it. 

Mike Ham [17:41 - 17:41]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [17:41 - 18:13]: So they Never were really like, what is this soft shit? Because we were kind of like softies, you know what I mean, playing this really aggressive music. And that's why it kind of worked at the time. Yeah. So they got to a point, though, where it just kind of wasn't panning out. Like, the genre was up and down, and we were playing with a lot of people. But the shows were getting more violent, so venues and tour packages and stuff were kind of like. It just put us in a very interesting spot. 

Mike Ham [18:13 - 18:13]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [18:13 - 18:15]: And this, by the way, is before Spotify. 

Mike Ham [18:15 - 18:15]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [18:15 - 18:18]: And Instagram is kind of coming around. 

Mike Ham [18:18 - 18:20]: So it's pictures at that point. 

Matty Carlock [18:20 - 18:21]: Yeah, exactly. 

Mike Ham [18:21 - 18:24]: Reels and music and all that stuff. 

Matty Carlock [18:24 - 18:44]: So we're, like, literally just, like, driving around, like, the country for months and Canada, sleeping in parking lots in our van in blizzards and stuff, just to sell vinyl and cassettes. And a lot of people are coming to these shows, but there really wasn't, like, a. What do we. 

Mike Ham [18:44 - 18:46]: Yeah, like a discernible momentum. 

Matty Carlock [18:46 - 19:02]: Yeah. Nothing happened. Yeah, like, nothing happened yet. So it was just kind of like. So we sort of fizzled out. And I. At the time. This was also very, very pivotal at the time Gaslight Anthem started breaking. 

Mike Ham [19:02 - 19:03]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [19:03 - 19:10]: And now I'm starting to see where you kind of graduate into. From hardcore. 

Mike Ham [19:10 - 19:10]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [19:10 - 20:07]: All these dudes who are Tough Hand Tattoo. You know what I mean? My type of people that I looked up to totally. Oh, they're playing acoustic guitar. Oh, this is a way to, like, now the Bouncing Souls and, like, Lifetime, this whole. And the Clash, this whole universe started opening up to people like us because of the Gaslight Anthem and, like, obviously the Bouncing Souls. And obviously we knew of these people, but from growing up around here. But something clicked where I'm like, oh, this is kind of like a graduation into. This is how you do it. I didn't know. I didn't have the blueprint of moving forward. Post a hardcore band. If you really love songs and you want to become a singer. And by the way, I was not a singer. I was screaming into a microphone. For 10 years, I could not sing in key. There was no. All I knew was, like, smashing a microphone into my face until I bleed and yelling into it. And now I'm gonna be a fucking singer with an acoustic guitar. Who the fuck do I think I am? 

Mike Ham [20:07 - 20:08]: Exactly. 

Matty Carlock [20:08 - 20:28]: But I saw, like, Fallon, Young Fallon, people like Dave Haas and, like, the Bouncing Souls and, like. And I was like, oh, okay. They all know what hardcore is. They all come from hardcore and they're all playing Hardcore shows. But they. Okay, this is what I can do. This is. And I just devoured that. 

Mike Ham [20:28 - 20:41]: Which I think is really interesting too, because. And I didn't realize. I mean, I knew to a degree, but, like, as you're telling the story, like, how into every kind of music, really, that there is. 

Matty Carlock [20:41 - 20:42]: Oh, yeah. 

Mike Ham [20:42 - 20:45]: And just like fully engulfing yourself or. 

Matty Carlock [20:45 - 20:47]: Everything, whatever the word, into it. 

Mike Ham [20:47 - 21:04]: And just. And I think that that's, you know. And we'll get into the stuff that you're doing now and kind of how your career and life and music has progressed. But I feel like if that stuff doesn't happen, if you're not into all those things, you know, you're probably still in a van, driving around screaming into a microphone. 

Matty Carlock [21:04 - 21:08]: Yeah. Which is actually my. Every morning I wake up and that's actually kind of like my fantasy. 

Mike Ham [21:08 - 21:08]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [21:08 - 21:10]: It's to burn it all down. 

Mike Ham [21:10 - 21:10]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [21:10 - 21:25]: And to be in a hardcore band for the rest of my life, just in a shitty van with my friends. It's like all I care about. It's my fantasy. From the moment I wake up to when I go to sleep, I just, like. I want to do it again so bad. And I probably will. 

Mike Ham [21:25 - 21:26]: There's still time. 

Matty Carlock [21:26 - 22:29]: Yeah, there's still. Yeah. The edge. I just always loved records. Yeah. Like those early, like, Further Scenes Forever records. Shy Hulude was like a big band that got me into, like, metal and hardcore when I was in late elementary school, which I ended up singing for that band at some point down the road, which is like, a big deal for me because without that band, there is no punk or hardcore for me at all. Like, at all. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have found, like, newfound glory without that band. I wouldn't. Like, that band changed my life. Absolutely. But, yeah, I just. I think that, like, if you're kind of raised in an environment that like, kind of like, is like middle class suburban neglect, you're going to, like, become utterly obsessed with art and romanticize it and just like, kind of find your identity. 

Mike Ham [22:29 - 22:31]: Yeah. You need something, like, grab onto and like. 

Matty Carlock [22:32 - 22:43]: Yeah, it becomes your identity. And it's so weird because now I see, like, bands or I see, like, artists or rappers or just like, creatives in general. And they create art in such a passive way. 

Mike Ham [22:43 - 22:44]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [22:44 - 23:18]: And I'm just like, so far from thinking like that. I'm just like, no, no. This was our identity. This was everything. Like, these stupid fucking songs is like, this is like our weapon. We are, like, wielding in this basement and we are gonna take this across the country and swing it as hard as we can. Yes. Like, this is the point. So it's weird seeing young creatives now. They're just like. And maybe it's better. I'm not sure to comment on that, but it is kind of interesting just. 

Mike Ham [23:18 - 23:19]: Being like, to not be obsessive. 

Matty Carlock [23:19 - 23:22]: You just made a song today and just did something El. 

Mike Ham [23:22 - 23:25]: Yeah. Did something else. Like went for a walk. 

Matty Carlock [23:25 - 23:30]: Yeah. It's like, no, no, no. I'm making. This is all I think about and all I care about. 

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Matty Carlock [24:24 - 24:25]: Like the natural evolution. 

Mike Ham [24:25 - 24:55]: Yeah. What the evolution could be like, you know, and see where you could go if you decided to go down that road. But I'm curious on like the other side because there's also the scene here in this area. Like peers, people around here. Like, where were there anybody else that like, maybe bandmates or whatever, but like people that were either our age or older than you, that were kind of like influential for you and your career maybe like at this point in time or maybe even before that or after that or whatever. 

Matty Carlock [24:55 - 24:56]: Like personally. 

Mike Ham [24:56 - 24:56]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [24:57 - 25:07]: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's this producer. You have to get this guy on the podcast, by the way, he is. 

Mike Ham [25:07 - 25:08]: Send an intro. I'm in. 

Matty Carlock [25:08 - 25:35]: He is the glue that has been keeping Central Jersey even like just the Garden State music scene together and alive for like 30 years now. And his name is Pete Andrews. He's a producer engineer. This is, by the way, this is a person that there aren't words that could like. So no matter what I say, it's. 

Mike Ham [25:35 - 25:35]: Just not gonna do. 

Matty Carlock [25:35 - 28:04]: It's just not even close. And anyone who listens to this will agree. It's just. And he's like, the problem almost is in explaining him is that he is so humble and would just be like, what are you talking about? But everyone else knows. And he's a producer, engineer, mix engineer, master engineer. But he's like, probably the best drummer, like, in New Jersey. I'm not even kidding. So he's like a session drummer. And he was my mentor for a very long time. And he recorded a lot of my early. All those hardcore records. He produced and recorded all those when we were kids, all the way up until my latest stuff. Now he has touched everything. All the hip hop stuff, all the hardcore stuff, the Jailbirds lp, he recorded that with like, Danny Clinch came to his studio. But he has done that for everybody involved. And he was somebody who had always just let me sit in his studio, which is like an A list studio in Middletown with thousands of pieces of gear and guitars. And he would just let me sit in that studio and watch him mix. And I grew up in that studio just like learning and picking things apart while he's working with other people. And he was always there to keep his door open, to let me, to encourage me to be like, I think I'm gonna try this. Like, I'm really fucking with these Bright Eyes records. And, like. And you think it'd be weird. Like, I've been doing this hardcore thing and people like it. Now I'm just like a singer. And he's like, no, let's go. Like, he was that dude who would just even like, with the hip hop stuff that I'm doing now, like, just always encouraging and supportive. And now I'm a producer. That's like my job. And he's just always like, what's this? Like, how should I do this? And he just taught me how to exist pretty much in this realm in such a beautiful way because he's such a helping, beautiful person. Like, when you're in his studio, you feel weird cursing. Like you just want to provide such a good atmosphere for him. He just brings the best out of you. His name is Pete Andrews. Some Burgeon Recordings in Middletown, New Jersey. You already know this. Everybody listening already knows this, but he is the number one. Number two is Shattered Realm, the hardcore band. 

Mike Ham [28:04 - 28:05]: Okay, yeah, you mentioned them. 

Matty Carlock [28:05 - 29:09]: They were. They were the band that I followed around as a kid. I would see Shattered Realm play in keensburg in. I mean, 05. And they were like the older guys who were already touring the world. Playing big festivals in Europe, like, touring with, like, eight Breed and stuff. They were like the band for me and the members of that band, Chris and Joe and their little entourage. They were very, very good to my hardcore band. And they plugged us in with promoters all over this country. And Joe did a feature on one of. On our lp, and it really opened up the horizons and kind of like, made us a real band. And they really, really, really, really. Even to this day, like, showed us and continues to continue to, like, show us the way forward. Like, they really were, like. They were just like, nah, fuck that. Sing, sing. Do that shit. We love Springsea. We love all that. You just be your fucking self, man. Whatever you want to do, do it. We back you. 

Mike Ham [29:09 - 29:09]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [29:09 - 29:28]: And they're like, the hardest hardcore band, like, on the planet. So if they tell me to do it, I'm just like, all right, I'm gonna. I'm gonna try this. You know, fast forward now. We're, like, doing the. The Pony and like, a thousand tickets are sold and they're all backstage and we're just hanging out. It's just like an amazing. They were just very supportive, and they still are just, like, the best. 

Mike Ham [29:28 - 29:48]: That's amazing. And I feel like anyone that does anything creative, like, you need people like that, like, because you can. Like you said we were talking about before. You were talking about before, like, writing songs or doing stuff in your basement and then go take over the world. But, like, yeah, you know, there's like, a limit to what only one person can do. But then it's like, who else is going to show you the. 

Matty Carlock [29:49 - 30:13]: Yeah, actually there's this guy. His name is Paul Brown. He's from Atlantic City. He's like a Atlantic City. He's probably the fucking mayor at this point. I don't know. He's just like this. He's just like this beautiful person. He ran 1787 Collective, which is this hardcore adjacent booking company, and this, like, little dive bar in Atlantic City in front of the Taj Mahal. 

Mike Ham [30:13 - 30:14]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [30:14 - 30:28]: And it was kind of became like the CBGB's of, like, South Jersey. Like, big tour packages coming through, playing this, like, hundred cap, little tiki shack. And. But he. He sang for Shadow Realm at a point. 

Mike Ham [30:28 - 30:29]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [30:29 - 30:49]: And he actually. I've never told this story. This is actually interesting. Yeah, this is an exclusive. This is actually pretty interesting. He. I remember. I don't know where to start here. I'm like, he was responsible for my hardcore band doing cool things. 

Mike Ham [30:49 - 30:50]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [30:50 - 31:25]: He put us on all the cool Shows. And then one day we broke up and I told him. I confessed to him. I'm like, I want to be a singer songwriter. What do you think of that? And he was very, like. He was like, do it, do it. And I'm getting emotional thinking about this. He was so kind and so cool, and I really looked up to these people. I, like, needed this. I needed this, and. Cause when I say I was not good, I really, like, was not good. You know how people around here, they may be like, I'm not that good. I'm cutting my teeth. 

Mike Ham [31:25 - 31:26]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [31:26 - 32:20]: No, no. I was living in a van for six years, screaming. There was no. I couldn't. I didn't hear melodies. I just knew power chords. So for him to encourage me, this was, like, a big deal. So. So next thing you know, he. He. He texts me and he goes, I have a show that I just booked. It's Vinnie from the movie Life and I'm the Avalanche. And Jeff from Thursday, they're playing solo. And I just booked them in a big hall that holds, like, 500 people in Atlantic City. And I'm like, that's fucking awesome. Like, Jeff is the reason why I'm like, me. You know what I mean? And he's like, I want you to play it. And I'm like, well, our band just broke up. He's like, no, no, no. I want you to play it. 

Mike Ham [32:20 - 32:21]: Oh, boy. 

Matty Carlock [32:21 - 32:27]: Solo. Big problem. See, you go, oh, boy. So now we have a big problem. 

Mike Ham [32:27 - 32:29]: We better figure this shit out. 

Matty Carlock [32:29 - 32:35]: We have a. And I'm like, but I don't do anything. Yeah, I don't. 

Mike Ham [32:35 - 32:36]: I don't have. 

Matty Carlock [32:36 - 33:14]: Yeah, I don't have. I still don't have songs for the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See my dilemma here? I have not changed. I'm like, okay. So I'm like, okay. And they're playing acoustic, too. No band. So it's just a solo show. It's gonna sell out. It's gonna be lit. It's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be. I was in, like, Brooklyn Vegan and stuff. So I'm like, okay, I gotta figure this out. So I agree to it. And I'm freaking out for, like, a full month. For a full month. I'm like, dog, every time I sing, it gets worse. Like, this is. I don't even. I didn't even have a guitar. I had to, like, go get a guitar. 

Mike Ham [33:14 - 33:14]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [33:15 - 33:34]: So I, like, somehow write five songs, I guess. Whatever. So he calls me and he goes, the show's about to go on sale. We need, like, what is your name? You know what I mean? 

Mike Ham [33:34 - 33:35]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [33:35 - 33:42]: What is your name? Like, what is your. I think that he was probably like, this is a big problem. I didn't. I didn't think this one. 

Mike Ham [33:42 - 33:43]: Yeah. Really didn't think this one through. 

Matty Carlock [33:43 - 33:44]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [33:44 - 33:46]: Throw this kid to the wolves. 

Matty Carlock [33:46 - 33:46]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [33:47 - 33:49]: So you're how old at this point? 

Matty Carlock [33:51 - 33:52]: 18. 

Mike Ham [33:52 - 33:56]: Okay. So this is. Yeah. This is a lot for a kid. 

Matty Carlock [33:56 - 34:00]: Yeah. But the band was, like, doing well. 

Mike Ham [34:00 - 34:00]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [34:00 - 34:38]: So I knew people were gonna come for me and stuff, so I was like, oh, this is, like, a really good opportunity. So. And this pivotal moment of my life, I went. I was like, going through, like, an Elliot Smith phase and like, a brooding Leonard Cohen type of phase where I was like, my artist name is gonna be Matthew Carlock. Like, very, like, ooh, I'm serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm Matthew Carlock of this band. And he went, cool. Perfect. And then the flyer came out and said, matty Carlock. And he picked my name. 

Mike Ham [34:38 - 34:39]: Yeah. There you go. 

Matty Carlock [34:39 - 34:42]: To this day, people are like, matty, Matty Maddie. Matty Maddie. 

Mike Ham [34:42 - 34:42]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [34:42 - 34:46]: And everyone in my life goes, they don't call me that. People call me Matt. 

Mike Ham [34:46 - 34:47]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [34:47 - 35:09]: And that's because of Paul. Paul just went, yeah. Matthew Carlock. Cool story. Let me just save you right now. And the show went amazing. I'm pretty sure it sold out. All of my friends came. Like, people were so supportive of me, and it was just like a life changing alley oop that those Shadows Realm guys, like, did for me. 

Mike Ham [35:09 - 35:09]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [35:09 - 35:16]: And it just. And I started a relationship with Jeff and Vinnie and. And they were like this. You know what I mean? 

Mike Ham [35:16 - 35:16]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [35:16 - 35:20]: Yeah. Little Maddie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Amazing. 

Mike Ham [35:22 - 35:27]: This may be a hard question to answer because it's gonna make you be very, like, introspective. 

Matty Carlock [35:28 - 35:28]: No. 

Mike Ham [35:28 - 35:29]: So you're doing. 

Matty Carlock [35:29 - 35:30]: I will answer anything. 

Mike Ham [35:30 - 35:38]: Okay. So you're doing all these things, like, you're in the punk side, and then you're making this transition and between Paul and. I think, what was the. 

Matty Carlock [35:39 - 35:39]: Pete. 

Mike Ham [35:39 - 35:51]: Pete. And all these other people, like, you say that you want to make this transition into singing actually. And they've never really seen you sing. 

Matty Carlock [35:51 - 35:51]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [35:52 - 35:53]: And they're like, no, do it. 

Matty Carlock [35:53 - 35:54]: That was the first time I sang. 

Mike Ham [35:54 - 35:55]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [35:55 - 35:58]: That any of my friends and 500 people. Yeah. 

Mike Ham [35:58 - 35:59]: Or, you know, whatever the number is. 

Matty Carlock [35:59 - 36:00]: Yeah, yeah. 

Mike Ham [36:00 - 36:20]: Like, what do you think about. What is it about you that you think made them give you that, like, push just from, like, an artistic thing? Like, go get it. Like, just go try it. Like, what's the worst that can happen kind of thing, or was. Do you think it was more along the lines of like, they maybe saw something in you that you didn't really see in yourself? 

Matty Carlock [36:20 - 36:56]: It could be. It could be that. I just think that our crew at that time was just, like, a force of nature not to be fucked with. Like, we were so devoted to art and so, like, really, like. I mean, this was at Paul Book shows at this place, the Boneyard, which is next to Taj Mahal. I mean, I was at every single show to the point where I was, like, sleeping at the Starbucks. Had this little nook in the Taj Mahal, and I would just, like, sleep there. 

Mike Ham [36:57 - 36:57]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [36:57 - 37:12]: Like, I was, like, so devoted and just so over the top, like, passionate about this dream and this vision and just. But not in a career way. Like, I never really wanted a career in music. 

Mike Ham [37:12 - 37:12]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [37:12 - 37:16]: I just had this, like, burning desire of art. 

Mike Ham [37:16 - 37:16]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [37:16 - 37:23]: And I think that that's something to believe in, maybe. 

Mike Ham [37:24 - 37:24]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [37:24 - 37:31]: Because I was not good. There were not songs. The band was good and people liked the records. So there was a fan base there. 

Mike Ham [37:31 - 37:32]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [37:32 - 37:53]: Prior to that. And by fan base, I mean, like, you know what I mean? Like a DIY fan base. So I think that people who are a little bit older see a young kid with that type of burn design. And I see it now, too, with people who are younger than me. I'm like, this guy's gonna smoke something soon. 

Mike Ham [37:53 - 37:53]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [37:54 - 37:57]: It's just a matter of time. He's gonna smoke something. Yeah. 

Mike Ham [37:58 - 38:01]: But they're just, you know, like you said, force of nature. Like, there's no way they can. 

Matty Carlock [38:01 - 38:02]: They're not. 

Mike Ham [38:02 - 38:04]: While they're going, they can't hit something. 

Matty Carlock [38:04 - 38:06]: They don't have it figured out now. 

Mike Ham [38:06 - 38:06]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [38:06 - 38:31]: But they. They're going to. They just need this little thing. And, you know, I just think that they. I don't even think it's a me thing. I just think that it just made sense. It could have been somebody else, but it was just, like, how much that I cared was just something to believe in. 

Mike Ham [38:31 - 38:32]: Yeah, totally. 

Matty Carlock [38:32 - 38:32]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [38:33 - 38:36]: Okay. So at what point? 

Matty Carlock [38:36 - 38:37]: Or maybe it wasn't, but. 

Mike Ham [38:37 - 38:37]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [38:37 - 38:38]: But that's. 

Mike Ham [38:38 - 39:01]: Yeah, maybe it could have been just from, like, an art perspective. But I do. Like. I do agree with you that, like, especially people that have been around a scene for a while and they see people that are either, like. Like you said, you see, like, creators today, and they're, like, you know, passively creating and whatever, and they're not, like, obsessed by it. People that are obsessed with shit Love other people that are obsessed with shit. 

Matty Carlock [39:01 - 39:25]: Yeah. Like it's. If I see somebody extremely, extremely, extremely inspired in a non music industry way, which I'm in the music industry, so I see the worst of it. If I see a kid who doesn't even know this is happening in the music industry, just like working on records and just really gives a fuck about art, that inspires me and I want to be a part of that. 

Mike Ham [39:25 - 39:27]: Yeah. See what you can do to help. 

Matty Carlock [39:27 - 39:38]: I will immediately connect that person with somebody who can help them immediately. And I will go to a show, I will buy the cassette, I'll buy the vinyl. I, I want to like be a part of that. 

Mike Ham [39:38 - 40:13]: Yeah. And so I guess my next question would be, so like you play this show in Atlantic City and you said you're not good, at what point do you think you start getting good and like, things start to click for you where you're like, now you feel like you're not, you know, the fish out of the water in these scenarios, but now you like officially, officially belong in order to do the type of stuff that you're trying to do. And maybe you don't even feel that way now. I mean like that, that could be it too. Which I don't mean I don't think that's true. 

Matty Carlock [40:13 - 41:19]: But it's funny because when I go back and I listen to my records, I'm like, man, there's so many fuck ups in this. Like. But I'm like, oh, we got this one right. We didn't get this one right. And you can hear us trying to figure this out in real time. But from that moment I went on the road. Like I tapped all of the promoters and friends that I made for like the years prior in hardcore and I supported all of my friends, hardcore bands with an acoustic, which is impossible to do. So we're talking about weird Midwestern cities. I'm opening up for hardcore bands with an acoustic, which I did that for four years straight in my, like just in my car by myself for four years with my merch bag like a vagabond. And it just, I just had to learn how to be louder. I had to learn how to. These people do not want me there. You know what I mean? 

Mike Ham [41:19 - 41:21]: What the fuck is this kid do? 

Matty Carlock [41:21 - 41:32]: Yeah, they want to kill each other to the band after me. And I'm corny and I need to figure out right now how to do this, you know what I mean? 

Mike Ham [41:32 - 41:33]: Totally. 

Matty Carlock [41:33 - 41:55]: And I did that day in and day out for four years until I just like Figured out how to, like, be a good performer. Cause I know what they want. Cause I was the hardcore band. And, dude, if I showed up as I would be like, get this guy the fuck outta here, fam. You know what I mean? 

Mike Ham [41:55 - 41:56]: Right? 

Matty Carlock [41:56 - 42:21]: I would be, no, no, no, no, no. I can't do this. So I just completely understood, and I just really got in the van. And in a moment where I could have been like, all right, I'm gonna go work at Starbucks. My band didn't work. I just printed more merch, tapped all of the fucking. All my friends in the country and in Canada. And I just leaned into it more, and I really, really whittled down this. This thing. And I didn't have a record out. 

Mike Ham [42:21 - 42:22]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [42:22 - 42:47]: So I wrote the songs based off of the live experience. And I really was, like, sleeping on pavement in, like, Texas or in, like, Quebec City by myself, like, with a notebook and, like, a merch bag in my car for years. Like, if you don't get good from that experience, it's a wrap. 

Mike Ham [42:47 - 42:49]: Yeah, it's a wrap. 

Matty Carlock [42:49 - 43:19]: That is, like the ultimate grinder of figure this shit out. You know what I mean? There was just no other option. I didn't have any skills. Like, I've been doing this since, like, fourth grade, pretty much. There was no other option. But then there was a time where I eventually started coming home and I started recording with Pete. And I learned a lot from Pete. He knew how to make these records and, like, facilitate my ideas and my vision. He. He was like, okay, I know what's going on here. 

Mike Ham [43:19 - 43:20]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [43:20 - 43:25]: And so I figured out how to get good enough to make the demo. 

Mike Ham [43:25 - 43:26]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [43:26 - 44:53]: And then the Shai Hulu thing happened where I went on tour. Shai Hulud as their singer. So now, all of a sudden, I'm on this, like, big, big rock and roll tour all through Europe. It was, like, 15 countries. And we supported Funeral for a Friend, which is, like, a big rock band there. So we're doing the O2 circuit. I'm in front of, like, 10,000 people every night just in this, like, rent. And I come home from that, and I do another full us by myself in my car. And then I did a full Canadian with a full US after that. And then there was this really interesting moment that changed my life forever. And I just think that people who are older than me and more established just saw the insanity of my reality. You know what I mean? Like, this guy, this kid is out of his fucking mind. Like, he hasn't been home and, like, where what is he. Is he okay? Like. Like, it was insane, dude. And by the way, no money, right? No money. No money. And I was staying. I finally got home, and I was staying in Staten island at my grandfather's. And my grandfather was on his. I'm pretty. This. This is pretty crazy. He was. He was in the hospital. He was on his deathbed. And this is a guy who. This is. This total. It's like the best person alive. If you knew me, you knew him. So this is, like, a big deal that this was happening. 

Mike Ham [44:53 - 44:53]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [44:53 - 45:05]: On his deathbed, he had a house. Yeah. Like a little townhouse in Staten Island. And I was staying in his townhouse in Staten island because they had the free train. 

Mike Ham [45:05 - 45:06]: Okay? 

Matty Carlock [45:06 - 45:17]: Staten island has, like, the free train to the ferry and you can take. And if you hop the turnstile, you can get into Manhattan. So I was like, okay, like, just another lick. You know what I mean? Just another. 

Mike Ham [45:17 - 45:17]: Always up to ski. 

Matty Carlock [45:18 - 45:35]: Just like a piece of shit full of shit kid. Just like, all right, all right, we'll figure this out. And I would stop at this deli on the walk to the train, just day in and day out, going to Manhattan. And I was on this tour. Stop me if I'm talking too much. 

Mike Ham [45:35 - 45:36]: No, you're doing great. 

Matty Carlock [45:36 - 46:29]: Okay. Yeah, I was on this tour, and I was playing the Map Room in the Bowery Electric. It was my last day on tour, so I was staying in Staten Island. And Jeff Raspy, the Brookdale radio, okay, he asked me to come in to do an interview. So I go in and do this interview. Very feral. Very, like. Just like. I don't know. I could. I mean, I could stab somebody tonight, you know what I mean? For food, you know, like, I've been around the world and back. I don't know what the fuck's going on. So he's like, I want to introduce you to my cousin. This is after. He's, I want to introduce you to my cousin. But on the radio, he was comparing me to Fallon, to Dave Haas and these troubadour people. Post hardcore, get in the van type acoustic guys. 

Mike Ham [46:29 - 46:29]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [46:29 - 46:51]: He's like, I want to introduce you to my cousin. And I'm like, okay, we'll meet your cousin. And I was like, he's like, when's the next time you're playing New York? I was like, tomorrow. He's like, where are you playing? And I'm like, the map room. He's like, perfect, that's his venue. And I'm like, your cousin owns a venue? 

Mike Ham [46:51 - 46:52]: All right. I'LL meet your cousin. 

Matty Carlock [46:52 - 47:31]: Yeah. I can't even believe I'm in a venue. I've been playing fucking houses and basements in fucking Idaho and stuff like that. Like, and he's like, my cousin's Jesse Mallon, and I think he would really fuck with your shit. Next thing you know, he brings Jesse, gives Jesse my demo that I made with Pete, and now I'm playing the Map room to literally nobody. Like, not like the sound guy left to nobody. And in walks Jeff with Jesse Mallon, and they watch my set and Jesse put me on a sold out show of his that Friday. 

Mike Ham [47:32 - 47:32]: Wow. 

Matty Carlock [47:33 - 48:15]: And from that moment, everything changed. Yeah, everything changed. All the touring, everything just got enough attention to where it led to that moment. And that was probably on a Monday. That Friday or Saturday, I was opening up for him personally at like a private show in New York City. Rich people are there, People with like, they look like Koala Deville, you know what I mean? And I'm there with like, my, like, my hardcore friends are, like doing merch for me and they're yelling at ladies like, hey, yo, buy this shit, fam. They're just like spilling beer, you know what I mean? It's just total feral animals around, like real music industry people. And the set went well. 

Mike Ham [48:15 - 48:16]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [48:16 - 48:19]: And it was off to the races from there. 

Mike Ham [48:19 - 48:20]: Yeah. And so. 

Matty Carlock [48:21 - 48:24]: But to answer your question, that was when I felt like, I'm getting good at this. 

Mike Ham [48:24 - 48:25]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [48:25 - 48:27]: Something clicked because I turned a trick live. 

Mike Ham [48:27 - 48:28]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [48:28 - 48:35]: And Jesse came. It got Jesse's attention and he was like, this is. For some reason, he believed in it and started putting me on shows. 

Mike Ham [48:35 - 48:36]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [48:36 - 48:36]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [48:36 - 48:51]: And it's crazy to think too, like, as you were telling those stories and, you know, talking about, like, the big rock tour, like through Europe and whatever, and, you know, like, it could have been, I don't know, easy to just be like, hey, I did that. Like, we're just gonna keep doing that. 

Matty Carlock [48:51 - 48:52]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [48:52 - 48:52]: You know? 

Matty Carlock [48:52 - 48:56]: But they asked me, they're like, do you want to be the full time singer? And I said no. 

Mike Ham [48:56 - 48:59]: Yeah. Because I'd rather go live in my car around the country. 

Matty Carlock [48:59 - 49:02]: Straight up. I was like, no, my. My demo just came out. 

Mike Ham [49:02 - 49:03]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [49:03 - 49:22]: And they were like, sure, that's adorable. Your little demo just came out. You know what I mean? And I'm just like, yeah, my demo. I was just so devoted to, like, art that I just did not care that we were like playing to, like thousands of people in, like, Romania and stuff. I just did not care, man. 

Mike Ham [49:22 - 49:23]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [49:23 - 49:25]: I was like, there's no point. I did not write these songs. 

Mike Ham [49:25 - 49:26]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [49:26 - 49:29]: The point is this, right? Yeah. 

Mike Ham [49:29 - 49:39]: So then at what point, like, in this trajectory of life, do you move to la? Just so I could have, like, a timeline. 

Matty Carlock [49:42 - 50:11]: So this is where things started getting kind of weird, where. So I don't have an lp, I just have this shitty demo. And I'm playing these, like, really big concerts with, like, rock shows with Jessie Mallon. I'm opening these shows. And now I'm like, at the Stone Pony singing with. Singing Clash covers with Brian Fallon. But I'm also opening the show, like. And people are like, this is, like, the new kid in this lane. 

Mike Ham [50:11 - 50:12]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [50:12 - 50:30]: So I go and make my lp. Jesse does a verse on the lp. So he gives me a verse, which he doesn't do that often at all. Like, so having a song with him on the album. And then Danny Clinch did the same thing. Is she okay? 

Mike Ham [50:31 - 50:33]: Okay. See ya. Thank you. 

Matty Carlock [50:34 - 50:35]: What's her name? Margo. 

Mike Ham [50:35 - 50:42]: Margo. Shout out Margo again. Shout out Margo Also shout out to Berkeley again. Yeah, yeah. I told him we would give a bunch of plugs and we'll run an ad for them or whatever. 

Matty Carlock [50:42 - 50:44]: We love it. We'll do a photo shoot and everything. 

Mike Ham [50:44 - 50:45]: Yeah, totally. 

Matty Carlock [50:46 - 51:31]: And then Danny played harmonica and did a verse on the LP as well. Pete from the Souls helped record. And then Jared Hart from the Scandals and Mercy Union, he did a verse. And all these artists, all these features, did videos as well. So it just kind of created this momentum. And we started just like. We were just like, off to the races. So at the same time, coming back to hardcore, my friend Joe from Shattered Realm. Shattered Realm has a split, and on the song, it's called. There's a song called Bring the Violence Back. Now, on the beginning of that song, there is a rapper kind of like, shit talking on it on some, like, I'm gonna kill your shit. 

Mike Ham [51:31 - 51:31]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [51:31 - 52:03]: And he just had this lore where, like, who the fuck is this guy? Like, this is, like, terrifying. He's a local rapper who knew Joe from Shattered Realm, just on some, like, street shit from the 90s and early 2000s. And his name is Bulletproof Belve. And through Joe, I connected with Bulletproof Belve here, and I was really, really, really into hip hop production. And by the way, this whole time I'm in the van listening to Nicki Minaj. I'm listening to, like, pop music. I love Drake. 

Mike Ham [52:03 - 52:04]: That's so crazy. 

Matty Carlock [52:04 - 52:28]: I like, love Drake. Like, I love all of this stuff. And for some reason, I was just like, I really Want to get into hip hop production. And so I reach out to me and Bel get connected. He's a rapper, he's got a little buzz. He rolls a Fetty Wap. And I produced this record, this song for him called Dark City Lights, which is, like, kind of critically acclaimed in this area. 

Mike Ham [52:28 - 52:28]: Okay. 

Matty Carlock [52:28 - 53:07]: It, like, did a lot for the community, and it bridged the west side with the, like. It bridged the two sides of the tracks, from, like, the street culture to, like, the yuppie culture or whatever. It shined a lot of light on the poets over there, which they're amazing. And I sang on the hook of this song, Dark City Lights, with Belve. It dropped. It just, like, became, like, a underground hit. Fetty Wap tapped it from that moment on. Now we're with Fetty Wap. We're doing. We're on the radio. We're on, like, shade 45. I'm in the Source magazine. I'm in, like. I'm in magazines as, like, a producer. 

Mike Ham [53:07 - 53:08]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [53:08 - 53:20]: I don't know how this happened at the same time as doing the singer songwriter stuff. So I worked my whole life trying to be fucking Leonard Cohen, and now I'm a rapper. 

Mike Ham [53:20 - 53:20]: Right. 

Matty Carlock [53:20 - 53:29]: I just got, like, kidnapped into this. So now I'm, like, at, like, Hot 97 events. I'm, like, on red carpets. I'm, like, meeting all these executives and stuff. 

Mike Ham [53:30 - 53:30]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [53:31 - 53:38]: I'm in, like, Quad Studio. I'm in. It became pretty weird, and I just wanted to, like, be a singer songwriter. 

Mike Ham [53:38 - 53:38]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [53:38 - 53:55]: So these two careers happened at the same time. And my manager at the time was already living in la and she was managing a lot of. So this is probably like, 2018, 2017, 1819. Pandemic. I moved during the pandemic, to answer your question. 

Mike Ham [53:55 - 53:56]: Yeah. Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [53:56 - 54:13]: Because a tour, a European tour I had as a singer songwriter got canceled. My manager was already out there, and she was managing. She's out of the business now, but she was managing producers and songwriters who are, like, controlling the charts and stuff. 

Mike Ham [54:13 - 54:13]: Sure. 

Matty Carlock [54:13 - 54:18]: Like, my first session, I'm looking. I'm watching, like, Teddy Swims cut vocals before he's famous. 

Mike Ham [54:18 - 54:18]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [54:19 - 54:28]: And I was there for, like, two days, like. And she's, like, running this whole entire operation. She was like, I think you should just move out here and I'll just throw you into the room. Let's see what happens. 

Mike Ham [54:28 - 54:29]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [54:29 - 54:39]: Because you already have songs with Fetty Wap Casanova, and, like, you're kind of, like, being kidnapped into this. So let's. Let's see what we can make of it. And I never came back. 

Mike Ham [54:39 - 54:39]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [54:39 - 54:40]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [54:40 - 54:41]: Amazing. 

Matty Carlock [54:41 - 54:44]: So these two careers, like, happening at the same time. 

Mike Ham [54:45 - 54:45]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [54:45 - 54:51]: And they still are. It's very weird. Yeah, it is weird. It's weird to, like, manage it too. It's like, kind of like. 

Mike Ham [54:51 - 55:18]: Sure. Because it's like, what are you, like, which bucket are you filling up exactly? Or like, what are you spending the time? Like, you know, I guess I don't know if this is something that you're thinking about, like, where's the money? Where's this, where's, you know, whatever. But I think it's just so cool because it all just goes back to the stuff that we were talking about before. Just, like, obsessed. And, like, if you're around stuff enough, eventually you run across the right person or the right people or whatever. 

Matty Carlock [55:18 - 55:18]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [55:18 - 55:24]: And then something happens, and the next thing you know, you're in a room with bigger people, and then, like, they know more and it just, you know. 

Matty Carlock [55:24 - 56:03]: Yeah, it just keeps spinning. But a lot of people, like, while it was happening, while this shift was happening, like, Danny Clinch was very, very, very, very supportive, calling me. He was setting up meetings for me. Like, he was just like. He was like, you need to go down this path. Like, you're, like, very encouraging. The same way the hardcore dudes were. There was just always people in my corner supporting this, like, market change or, like, this new journey I was going on, you know, But I never was not doing. There was never a time in my life where I was doing only one or two things. 

Mike Ham [56:03 - 56:05]: Right. Just always a lot of stuff. 

Matty Carlock [56:05 - 56:09]: Every day, for my whole life, I'm working on three or four genres at once. 

Mike Ham [56:09 - 56:09]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [56:10 - 56:19]: Just like, closing this session, pulling up this session, closing that point, like, all of them are moving forward at once. I've never, ever focused on one thing. 

Mike Ham [56:19 - 56:19]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [56:19 - 56:27]: You know what I mean? If I'm releasing music that's hip hop, I'm recording, singer, songwriter stuff. You know what I mean? 

Mike Ham [56:27 - 56:28]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Matty Carlock [56:28 - 56:31]: So, yeah. So about 2019. 

Mike Ham [56:33 - 56:40]: All right. So I just looked at the time. We're at, like an hour. That was crazy. 

Matty Carlock [56:40 - 56:40]: That was quick. 

Mike Ham [56:40 - 56:54]: Yeah. So stuff that just came out, stuff that's coming out. Like what. What should people come to expect from you soon? What can they look at now? Like, where would you send them to go do stuff? 

Matty Carlock [56:54 - 57:45]: So I just released a new EP called Brooklyn, which is just a collection of four songs that I wrote that just, like, kind of came to me at, like, three in the morning in my apartment, and I just, like, wrote and recorded them. And they were just demos and I didn't plan on putting them out and I just felt really attached to them. So I produced them myself, mixed them myself just in my apartment and I put them out. And people seemed to be. Seems to be like a cathartic response to that, which makes me really happy because that was the plan. I didn't want to have like a music industry moment. I just wanted to put out these little love songs. And now I'm working on the Jailbirds 2, which is my second LP. It's being mixed now and that's 10 or 11 songs. 

Mike Ham [57:45 - 57:46]: Awesome. 

Matty Carlock [57:46 - 57:59]: So hopefully that will be out in the summer and then full band shows will follow and just. I don't know. I'm sure there will be some madness involved in all of this. 

Mike Ham [57:59 - 58:01]: It seems like there's just perpetual madness. 

Matty Carlock [58:01 - 58:01]: Yes. 

Mike Ham [58:01 - 58:02]: Which is great. 

Matty Carlock [58:03 - 58:06]: Yeah. And hopefully my apartment is still there, so. 

Mike Ham [58:06 - 58:07]: Well, good luck with that. 

Matty Carlock [58:07 - 58:08]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [58:09 - 58:15]: And then if you want people to learn more socials, websites, or you send anybody to any place. 

Matty Carlock [58:15 - 58:32]: I don't think I have a website, but at Maddie Carlock. M A T T Y C A R L O C K on pretty much everything. I Think yout Is. You could find me through my name, but 115 Collective is my record label and I think that's the YouTube. Unless it's not. But I mean, you can. 

Mike Ham [58:32 - 58:33]: We'll find it. 

Matty Carlock [58:33 - 58:33]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [58:33 - 58:45]: I'll make sure that I put the links and stuff in the show notes. People just go click. But this has been great. I really. It was really great. This is so fun getting to know you more because, like, I mean, I kind of got to know you a. 

Matty Carlock [58:45 - 58:48]: Little bit, but I'm an easy guy to miss. Yeah, I'm an easy guy to miss. 

Mike Ham [58:48 - 58:53]: Well, like once I got under the hood, I was like, oh, shit. Like there's a lot once we started. 

Matty Carlock [58:53 - 58:56]: Really, you were gonna go for a while. Like, damn. 

Mike Ham [58:56 - 59:02]: Well, I mean, I forget what the. Like the first story that you told, I was just like, all right, this is gonna be an interesting ride. Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [59:03 - 59:07]: Thank you for having me. This is amazing. I don't think I've sat down and done this. 

Mike Ham [59:08 - 59:44]: Is it interesting? Because like, I mean, I've guessed it on podcasts in the past, but not any recently. And like, even then it was me talking about like podcasting or me talking about my old full time job or like Internet title insurance. And. And like I. When I hear people tell their stories, I'm always just like you. You tell your story really well, which is amazing. And not everyone can do that well. But I also, like, look back on my life and I'm just like, what the fuck would I even talk about? You know, like, what's like my. What's my story? So then I like, start to think about it more. But to. To hear you tell it is. Is great. 

Matty Carlock [59:45 - 59:54]: Thank you. Well, you're good. You. You know where to pivot to and like, what to talk about. Because I. I just don't think anybody will ever care. To where I don't even. 

Mike Ham [59:55 - 59:56]: That's what everyone says. 

Matty Carlock [59:56 - 1:00:01]: The more if I even think about myself at all, I'm just like, oh, yeah. Oh, oh, buddy. 

Mike Ham [1:00:01 - 1:00:03]: But I do think that, like, yours just. Shame. 

Matty Carlock [1:00:04 - 1:00:04]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [1:00:04 - 1:00:11]: Your story with the people that were reaching and all that kind of stuff, like, that's gonna resonate with one person, you know? 

Matty Carlock [1:00:11 - 1:00:11]: Yeah. I hope. 

Mike Ham [1:00:11 - 1:00:26]: And then like you were talking about before, like, it's. Once you see someone that's kind of either been where you are or done what you've done, and then watching them progress and kind of getting like the blueprints and all the stuff that we were talking about before, like, that's important, you know. 

Matty Carlock [1:00:26 - 1:01:49]: Well, if anybody is listening, one thing that I think is missing, that is a key to success in this area, specifically Asbury Park. If you're a young creative and you're looking to really do this for real, and you're obsessed with art and you're obsessed with songs and lyrics and photography and just like art as a whole, don't wait for these fucking venues. Don't wait for these promoters. Don't wait to be put on shows. Skip all of that. Find a house on the west side and start booking basement shows immediately. Because everything in these venues, all the people who go to these venues go to these shows and go to these corporate concerts at House of Independence, all these people go to the shows at the Stone Pony, Wonder Bar, anywhere. They will shift to you and they will start coming to these basement shows because that's where the real art will be. So don't wait for all this shit. Start booking your own $5 punk shows in these basements, just like everybody was doing in the 2000s in New Brunswick. Yeah, that's where you got my chem. That's where you got Thursday. That's where you got the bouncing souls. Do that here. I've not seen people do it yet. Yeah, and there's so many young people. 

Mike Ham [1:01:49 - 1:01:51]: Here, you know, like. 

Matty Carlock [1:01:51 - 1:01:54]: And it just takes one genius to just kind of. 

Mike Ham [1:01:54 - 1:01:55]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [1:01:55 - 1:02:01]: So don't wait. That's all I have to say. Is just do that immediately and you will win and you'll change your life. 

Mike Ham [1:02:01 - 1:02:07]: Yeah. And as you told, there's really no shortcut to the success. 

Matty Carlock [1:02:08 - 1:02:10]: It's like, I think that's the shortcut. 

Mike Ham [1:02:10 - 1:02:11]: Yeah. Do it that way. 

Matty Carlock [1:02:11 - 1:02:15]: That's the shortcut. Because you're taking matters into your own hands. 

Mike Ham [1:02:15 - 1:02:16]: Yeah. Controlling it more. 

Matty Carlock [1:02:16 - 1:02:52]: Yeah. And you're doing something that's brand new to the market and doing something that's brand new to the consumers that are so used to just going to shows at the Stone Pony. Like, you're gonna have this special thing that people don't know the real art is there and people are gonna want to be a part of that. And it'll change your life because you'll learn how to book shows, you'll learn how to market with flyers and utilizing social media. You'll learn how to be an amazing band because you're playing against the odds. And it'll just. You'll start a whole new wave and you'll be out of here and it'll be on your terms. 

Mike Ham [1:02:52 - 1:02:59]: Yeah, totally. Like, I've especially. I know we ended this episode like 20 minutes ago, but like I've also. 

Matty Carlock [1:02:59 - 1:03:00]: That was my mission statement. 

Mike Ham [1:03:00 - 1:03:33]: Yeah. No, I love it. And like I'm, I am especially since. So I got laid off for my full time job in October 23rd and have been on my own since then without like the safety net of what we do. And. And I have firmly, firmly, firmly believe that like no one's gonna give you a seat at their table. So just build your own table and then invite people to come sit at it. Like that's the only way to like, like you kind of what you were saying, like the shortcuts of success. Just like make it yourself and then build it the way yourself think, you know, and maybe you fail and yeah, you know. 

Matty Carlock [1:03:34 - 1:03:35]: Well, no, you have to fail. 

Mike Ham [1:03:35 - 1:03:35]: There's plenty of that. 

Matty Carlock [1:03:35 - 1:03:37]: You have to fail to learn how to do it right. 

Mike Ham [1:03:37 - 1:03:37]: Yeah. 

Matty Carlock [1:03:37 - 1:03:47]: You have to fail. This is what we call. And we can end here is. Is. This is what we say. We say nothing's real. Fuck the bastards. 

Mike Ham [1:03:47 - 1:03:48]: I like that. 

Matty Carlock [1:03:49 - 1:03:51]: The bastards. Shoot yourself. 

Mike Ham [1:03:51 - 1:04:15]: Awesome. Well, this has been the Greens from the Garden podcast, powered by the New Jersey Lottery. Thank you again to Margo and the Berkeley for having us in this sweet room. And I got these chairs were over in the corner and I wanted it like, I didn't want the mirror in the back. I wanted this Johnny Cash picture in the back and like sitting on the wonder bar stools earlier today. Recording with Felipe, like, my ass was hurting. 

Matty Carlock [1:04:15 - 1:04:15]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [1:04:15 - 1:04:18]: So I was like, these nice throne, like, chairs. 

Matty Carlock [1:04:18 - 1:04:18]: Amazing. Yeah. 

Mike Ham [1:04:18 - 1:04:19]: I mean, phenomenal. 

Matty Carlock [1:04:19 - 1:04:24]: Yeah. I walked in, I'm like, oh, damn, look at this. Look at this. This is some for little old me. 

Mike Ham [1:04:24 - 1:04:26]: This is a real important show. 

Matty Carlock [1:04:26 - 1:04:28]: I was like, let me go run and get us coffee. 

Mike Ham [1:04:28 - 1:04:47]: Yeah, I appreciate that. Awesome. So again, we'll make sure that we put all the links to Matty's stuff in the show notes. You could just go check it out. We'll put greetingswegardenstate.com in the show notes as well, so you can go check out all of our other episodes. And I think if I'm not mistaken, this is episode 160. So there's a lot of stuff to go back through and check out. And I appreciate you doing this with us today. 

Matty Carlock [1:04:47 - 1:04:48]: Of course. 

Mike Ham [1:04:48 - 1:05:11]: Sweet. Awesome. Again, thanks to the Berkeley. Thank you to Matty. I'm Mike Ham. This has been the greetings for the Powered by the New Jersey lottery. Thanks for listening and we'll catch you next time. Tell me before you go all the. 

Matty Carlock [1:05:11 - 1:05:14]: Way, do you all.