Love Could: Fair Panic's Tory Anne Daines on Loss, Love, and Lyrics

In this engaging episode of Greetings from the Garden State, host Mike Ham welcomes Tory Anne Daines of Fair Panic (with a special guest appearance by Duck the dog!) to discuss the band’s evolution, new EP release, and upcoming live shows. From Tory’s early musical influences and opera/violin roots to wild tales from hardcore and country gigs, this conversation is filled with heartfelt stories and raw insights into the New Jersey music scene.

Key Topics & Highlights

• Fair Panic’s Evolution & Unique Sound
  • Learn how Fair Panic’s eclectic alt-rock sound has evolved over time.
  • Discover humorous anecdotes—like the “kick ’em out” story that led to the current band lineup.
• New EP Release & Track Insights
  • Get the scoop on Fair Panic’s first new original music since 2018.
  • Explore the significance of standout tracks: Entirely True, Oh My, and Love Could.
  • Hear about creative processes, production with John Agnello, and even a jazz single version of Entirely True.
• Behind-the-Scenes Stories from the Road
  • Tory shares her early musical journey from opera rehearsals to playing violin on a tissue box.
  • Relive an unforgettable live show moment—20 minutes hiding in a dish cupboard during a snowed-in gig.
• Insights into the New Jersey Music & Live Scene
  • Discussions about the dedication, sacrifices, and the obsessive passion needed in the music industry.
  • Upcoming live shows include Stoshes in Fairlawn, a release party at Stash’s, and a Bowery Electric performance.
• Personal Reflections & Music Industry Wisdom
  • Tory’s honest reflections on balancing a stage persona with personal identity.
  • Stories of loss, friendship, and growth within the dynamic world of music.

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Connect with Fair Panic

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Final Thoughts

Mike Ham and Tory Anne Daines wrap up the episode by reflecting on the journey of Fair Panic and the powerful stories behind each new track. Whether you’re a longtime fan or discovering Fair Panic for the first time, this episode offers an insider’s look at the raw energy and passion driving the New Jersey music scene.

Transcript

Tory Anne Daines [0:00 - 0:00]: Foreign. 

Mike Ham [0:20 - 0:32]: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Greetings for the Garden State, powered by the New Jersey lottery. I'm your host, Mike Ham. We're here at my home studio, living room with tory and Danes from the band Fair Panic. tory, welcome to the show. 

Tory Anne Daines [0:32 - 0:33]: Thank you. Happy to be here. 

Mike Ham [0:33 - 0:44]: Absolutely. And we also have Duck here as well. So if you find this video someplace, Duck will be here. And if you hear any gnawing on a toy, she's here too. That's her. It's not us. 

Tory Anne Daines [0:44 - 0:46]: It's me talking. Actually. The dog's doing nothing. 

Mike Ham [0:46 - 0:47]: It's just grinding teeth. 

Tory Anne Daines [0:47 - 0:51]: That's what happens when I open my mouth just so. 

Mike Ham [0:51 - 0:53]: Bloomfield, am I right? 

Tory Anne Daines [0:53 - 0:53]: Correct. 

Mike Ham [0:53 - 0:59]: Yeah, I mean, that's. You said you guys have been here for, like, almost five years, right? 

Tory Anne Daines [0:59 - 1:03]: Correct. Our guitarist has been here almost his whole life. 

Mike Ham [1:03 - 1:04]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [1:04 - 1:13]: So it. It really is a home base. I went to Montclair State, too, so it's really. And I lived here prior to living here now. So, yeah, it's really truly our home base. 

Mike Ham [1:13 - 1:16]: Yeah. So you're like ride or die this general area. 

Tory Anne Daines [1:16 - 1:18]: Yeah, it ended up being that way. 

Mike Ham [1:18 - 1:19]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [1:19 - 1:20]: But. 

Mike Ham [1:20 - 1:32]: But let's talk about the ban. Fair Panic a little bit, and then we'll kind of get into the stories and. And all that. So if you could describe Fair Panic for our listeners, what would you describe it as? 

Tory Anne Daines [1:32 - 1:33]: Oh, no, I didn't think. 

Mike Ham [1:33 - 1:34]: A hard question. Right. 

Tory Anne Daines [1:35 - 2:14]: Think this through. I'd say in its current incarnation, it's like a nice soup of people we've got. There's a lot of testosterone in the band, for sure. And then here I am sitting in Shakespearean dress. I like hot, honestly. Yeah. I like the contrast of people, their musical tastes. So it's a little bit of an eclectic alt rock scenario we got going on. And the previous release is straight eclectic, I'd say. 

Mike Ham [2:14 - 2:23]: Sure. And so you say the current iteration of the band, is it different members? Is it like a different sound? Can you maybe talk to me about that? Or. 

Tory Anne Daines [2:27 - 2:34]: I'm just gonna. I'm gonna kick everybody out of the band and then have them all come back in at the same point so that I have a simple explanation for this. 

Mike Ham [2:34 - 2:35]: Sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [2:35 - 2:37]: So guys, kicked out. 

Mike Ham [2:37 - 2:37]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [2:37 - 2:39]: But you're back in right now, and that's how the band formed. 

Mike Ham [2:39 - 2:54]: Okay, awesome. So. But this is timely. So we're gonna run this. This show Monday, February, whatever. It's gonna be the 17th. Is that right? Yeah, the 17th. 

Tory Anne Daines [2:54 - 2:55]: Okay. 

Mike Ham [2:55 - 3:13]: And Wednesday the 19th, because on the 20th, you guys have a show at Stoshes in Fairlawn with Rhys VanRiper, who Obviously we love. And Separator, which has also done some stuff with us here on Radio Garden State and. Cause you have a new EP that's dropping this Friday, the 21st, right? 

Tory Anne Daines [3:13 - 3:13]: Yes, we do. 

Mike Ham [3:14 - 3:21]: Yeah. And that's gotta be really exciting because I think I saw. When's the last time you guys had new music come out for Fair Panic. 

Tory Anne Daines [3:21 - 3:22]: New original music. 

Mike Ham [3:22 - 3:23]: Yeah, new original music. 

Tory Anne Daines [3:24 - 3:44]: 2018. This is a big deal in 2018. You know, there were a few, like, kind of solid members, but it wasn't like that. It was. Here's the song structure, guys. I'm gonna throw you in the studio. What can you come up with? And then I kind of edited through all the parts and made the album. 

Mike Ham [3:44 - 3:45]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [3:45 - 3:51]: Because if somebody wasn't going to do it for me, I was going to do it myself. And myself meant calling upon a lot of friends. 

Mike Ham [3:51 - 3:54]: Yeah, it's good to have that. 

Tory Anne Daines [3:54 - 3:59]: And then Quarantine happened and we put out two covers in between the cp. 

Mike Ham [3:59 - 3:59]: Right. 

Tory Anne Daines [3:59 - 4:02]: And that last album you did with the. 

Mike Ham [4:02 - 4:05]: The Mint 400 thing, correct? Yeah. What was that? 

Tory Anne Daines [4:05 - 4:07]: So we put out Heaven or Las Vegas first. 

Mike Ham [4:07 - 4:08]: Yeah, that. 

Tory Anne Daines [4:08 - 4:10]: And then we put out Words by Missing Persons. 

Mike Ham [4:10 - 4:10]: Yes. 

Tory Anne Daines [4:12 - 4:37]: But you can put it on me. I was withholding a lot of things because I wanted to get to the point where we're at now. So we drilled a lot in practice and we're ready. So it, you know, it's coming up with a story that people can follow. But I also wanted to kind of hit people in the face with it. So that's what we did. And we kind of withheld things for like a year, few years, and now. 

Mike Ham [4:37 - 4:55]: It'S time to get it to where it's. To where it's at now. And so I told you when we were texting about getting this all set up. Soul, excessive booty shaking edition. I play all the time on my shows. Like, literally. I love that song. And I forget now I need to look at my. 

Tory Anne Daines [4:55 - 4:56]: We're playing that actually the next. 

Mike Ham [4:57 - 4:57]: Really? 

Tory Anne Daines [4:57 - 4:58]: Oh, yeah. 

Mike Ham [4:58 - 4:59]: Hell, yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [4:59 - 5:07]: It's the. Our guitarist Aaron was like, you should pull this out. And then Pat, our bass player, helped redevelop some bagging tracks for it. We're going for it. 

Mike Ham [5:07 - 5:34]: Yeah, we also. I remember this very vividly, too, because, like, we were. I was like, looking for other bands, maybe ones that we didn't play as much, especially towards the beginning. And one of our Tuesday night hosts, Ron Sante, who hosts Sonic Boom 7 and 9 on Radio Garden State. Check it out. It's our best show. Even more than me, Beat Street. I was playing Beat street and he logged in to our Instagram live or whatever and he was like, who the. Who the fuck is this band? 

Tory Anne Daines [5:34 - 5:36]: Oh, we can swear. Yeah, yeah. 

Mike Ham [5:36 - 5:38]: We're not regulated by the FCC at all, so. 

Tory Anne Daines [5:38 - 5:40]: I teach children. Yeah, but, you know. 

Mike Ham [5:40 - 5:41]: Sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [5:41 - 5:43]: But I'm not, you know, I'm fine. 

Mike Ham [5:44 - 5:55]: So he's like, who is this band? He's like, I love the beat. It's like so groovy. So would you say that the new stuff. Because I've got a chance to listen to the new stuff before it's released because of my status. 

Tory Anne Daines [5:55 - 5:56]: Oh, you know, I'm just kidding. 

Mike Ham [5:56 - 6:05]: But how does the new stuff kind of compare to some of that stuff that you had released? Priority give people, like a little tease. 

Tory Anne Daines [6:05 - 6:11]: So Beat Street. I have to kind of give a back, actually. No, I don't. I just like cool guy music. 

Mike Ham [6:11 - 6:12]: Sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [6:12 - 6:39]: I like drum and bass. I like riffs. And Beat street itself was. When I was writing that riff, it was supposed to be like heavy guitars. And then I'm like, I don't have that right now. So I found like the most disgusting keyboard effects that I could find. It was effective. But our guitarist Aaron is. He's a genius with riffs. 

Mike Ham [6:39 - 6:39]: Sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [6:39 - 6:55]: Genius with riffs. And. Yeah, we have them now. We have a lot of them. So you're gonna hear a lot more of that. And then we're also leaning into. We're leaning into. We're experimenting with tracks. I've kind of never liked them before. 

Mike Ham [6:55 - 6:55]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [6:56 - 7:08]: But because of capabilities between members, like, Aaron has a project called Twin Hook. If you listen to that, it's kind of Prodigy esque. You're going to get kind of an image of what's coming next. 

Mike Ham [7:08 - 7:09]: Sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [7:09 - 7:40]: Because he's making a lot of those tracks. We're all working together to say, what do we need to keep that live feel? The song should stand alone without anything as good songs. That's the only thing that I have, kind of. So I don't know if that gives you. But I do want to maintain the almost genre ambiguity with certain things. Like, new song has a reggaeton beat in the chorus out of nowhere. So we're calling it Regatoni because we live in New Jersey. 

Mike Ham [7:40 - 7:43]: Yeah. Well, this is the spaghetti triangle. That's where we're in right now. 

Tory Anne Daines [7:43 - 7:45]: I like to think that I'm the meatball. 

Mike Ham [7:45 - 7:47]: Okay, that's great. 

Tory Anne Daines [7:47 - 7:50]: Thank you. Grandma's meatball. 

Mike Ham [7:50 - 7:58]: Meatball. So you you were telling me off mic that music is full time for you right now. 

Tory Anne Daines [7:58 - 7:59]: Correct. 

Mike Ham [7:59 - 8:09]: Music. Let's, like, go back, though. So was music always a part of your life? Singing? You play the violin, you do a bunch of stuff. So was it always something that you were involved in? 

Tory Anne Daines [8:09 - 8:10]: Yes. 

Mike Ham [8:10 - 8:16]: Yeah, let's talk about that. Take it back. Like. Like, what were you doing? Church choir. 

Tory Anne Daines [8:18 - 8:25]: Yes, did that. My mom is a professional opera singer. 

Mike Ham [8:25 - 8:25]: Okay, cool. 

Tory Anne Daines [8:25 - 9:34]: So is my sister, actually. She's got a band out in Chicago. They're phenomenal. And then. So my mom, though I kind of grew up at the Met. My godfather used to sing the lead roles, the tenor parts in the Triviata. I think it was what was his. Turned out was one of the big ones that he did at the Met. So when I was really, really little, we're talking some big diapers, you know, I was there. And even when I was like, in a carrier even smaller, I was sitting in rehearsals because my mom didn't stop. And she kind of co founded the Ridgefield Opera Company, which is kind of cool. But I remember. And I actually remember this one. I looked down at the pit orchestra when I was sitting in a rehearsal with my godfather. One of the violinists had to have been nice to me. I'm like, looking at the stage, I'm like, all right, this looks like they're getting put through the wringer. And then I looked down at the orchestra, the pit orchestra. And I remember just somebody was lifting me up. They were having fun, but they were also good. 

Mike Ham [9:34 - 9:35]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [9:35 - 9:54]: And I decided violin was it. So at three, I started begging my parents for a violin. And I remember this, too. I was crying at the bottom of the stairs. We had this house that. It was one of those, like, old 70s houses where it had that kind of like, middle floor for a doorway. 

Mike Ham [9:54 - 9:55]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [9:55 - 10:04]: It was Richfield, Ridgefield, Connecticut. This house swelled up like nobody's business. It's huge now. Like, the entryway is what my house used to be. 

Mike Ham [10:04 - 10:05]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [10:07 - 10:18]: I'd be crying there for a violin. And they just didn't understand. They're like, we have a piano. I'm already sitting there banging on the thing. I can't reach anything. People to lift me up. Making movie soundtracks at three. 

Mike Ham [10:18 - 10:19]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [10:19 - 10:47]: They finally found somebody that would teach me. And I wasn't allowed to have a violin first because I thought that I would break it. So my first violin was a tissue box with rubber bands. I always knew I wanted to be a musician. I didn't know how to practice until honestly, like, Halfway through college, maybe even a little bit after this. Phenomenal violinist, Rebecca Schlapich. She lives out in California now. 

Mike Ham [10:47 - 10:47]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [10:47 - 10:52]: I lived with her for a few months in Kearney. We lived in an attic together. 

Mike Ham [10:53 - 10:53]: Great. 

Tory Anne Daines [10:53 - 10:59]: Not joking. We couldn't stand up. And her practicing, just seeing that changed my mind. 

Mike Ham [10:59 - 11:00]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [11:00 - 12:38]: And I think I told her that I'm not sure if you. If you're listening, you know, like, thank you. It was not annoying. So. Yeah, I didn't realize how much. How much of yourself you really do have to give and. Yeah. But yeah, now. So I've been doing recording sessions. My first band was a hardcore band. So there. That's how I started. Trained with Weigang Lee, Montclair State, who's the first violinist of Shanghai. They went over and they're now resident. They were one of the first resident teachers at the Juilliard School in Shenzhen, which is nuts. They're good though. I'm like, oh, they deserve to be in that location. And great attitude. Strict. Great attitude, though. I learned so much. It just didn't fully kick in until now, a few years ago. But yeah. And I play for Austin City Nights, which is a country cover band. So I sing a little bit with them, lots of harmonies and I fiddle for them. We play a bunch of casinos. It's about 100 gigs a year. And then. Yeah, it's like four hour sets. So if you're ever like, is tory on stage? It's four hours. And I've now retired the heels unless it's a shorter set. So I'll just show up in sneakers. And I've got this glitter barrier that I cover my pedal board with because drunk people. Also, nobody can see my shoes. 

Mike Ham [12:39 - 12:42]: Right. Where something comfy. If you're gonna be standing for that long. 

Tory Anne Daines [12:42 - 13:08]: Yeah. So if you're just listening, I'm in a full ball gown and, you know, just wearing sneakers. So full ball gown. It's, you know, not even one o'clock every day for me. I don't know, it's just life. It's practicing when you don't want to practice. It's sleeping about six hours a night every night. And then all of a sudden you have days off and it takes you days to reset. But I'm very happy doing it. 

Mike Ham [13:08 - 13:45]: Yeah, it's funny because we had, I don't know if you know Maddie Carlock, but we had Maddie on the podcast few weeks ago and he started like, hardcore, then went to like, folk, does hip hop stuff. He lives in LA now, but he's from Asbury park and like a really. Yeah. Really interesting guy. He's done some stuff with, like, Fetty Wap and other people and whatever. So super interesting and. But, like, he was talking about just being, like, obsessed and, like, what that means and, like, people. He, like, talks about how, like, when he does. He works as a producer in LA now, and how he would sleep in his car with just his gig bag and his guitar. 

Tory Anne Daines [13:46 - 13:48]: Yeah, that's actually what I do. 

Mike Ham [13:48 - 13:48]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [13:48 - 13:55]: I have to, because I don't think it's safe to play. To drive three and a half hours to AC and then drive three. They don't give you hotels. 

Mike Ham [13:56 - 13:56]: That's crazy. 

Tory Anne Daines [13:56 - 13:59]: They don't give you hotels unless you play after 12 at an unnamed casino. 

Mike Ham [14:00 - 14:00]: Really? 

Tory Anne Daines [14:00 - 14:05]: And they book you until 11:30. And I am sleeping in my car. 

Mike Ham [14:05 - 14:06]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [14:06 - 14:10]: I also slept in my car in Asbury multiple times to try and reintroduce myself to the scene. 

Mike Ham [14:10 - 14:11]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [14:12 - 14:20]: So I just won't tell you where I park, but if you see like a, like newspapers or tiny blonde girl. Yeah, I've got it down. I've got it down. 

Mike Ham [14:20 - 14:20]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [14:20 - 14:22]: Husband doesn't like it, but I got it down. 

Mike Ham [14:22 - 14:22]: Wow. 

Tory Anne Daines [14:22 - 14:25]: Also, sorry to talk your ear off. I feel like I'm like, hijacking and. 

Mike Ham [14:25 - 14:26]: No, this is. 

Tory Anne Daines [14:26 - 14:27]: Longest answers ever. 

Mike Ham [14:27 - 14:31]: No, honestly, this is what makes good podcasts. 

Tory Anne Daines [14:31 - 14:33]: Okay. Yeah. 

Mike Ham [14:33 - 14:35]: I promise, if you're talking too much, I'll tell you. 

Tory Anne Daines [14:35 - 14:35]: Okay, good. 

Mike Ham [14:35 - 14:35]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [14:36 - 14:36]: Okay. 

Mike Ham [14:36 - 15:08]: But like, he was talking about that, like, the obsession side of it and like, how, like, when he works with musicians or whatever, he's like, the only thing that I know how to do is, like, create stuff and make music and whatever. And he's like, when people, like, they. You make a song and then you just do something else, like that day, like. Well, he's like, I just don't, like, he's just so into what he's doing all the time. But you need to, like, obviously, like, within reason if you're not like a crazy person. But, like, if you need to have some, like, that level of obsession to. 

Tory Anne Daines [15:08 - 15:10]: You know, to move to L. A. 

Mike Ham [15:10 - 15:22]: Well, to move yourself. Yeah, exactly. Self forward. Like in a career that's, you know, competitive and, like, hard to. For people to kind of see you sometimes. 

Tory Anne Daines [15:22 - 15:34]: Well, real talk. Yeah, real, real talk. And I'm not going to hide this stuff anymore because, you know, back in the day, you try to, like. I think that a good stage performer works incredibly hard. 

Mike Ham [15:34 - 15:34]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [15:35 - 15:59]: And they get on stage and they pretend like there was no work behind it. That's Good stage presence in any scenario, public speaking, anything. But now that there's a platform for, I get the sacrifices that I've made. Personally, I love kids. Love them. I don't think they're in the cards for me if I keep doing this. And if I were to bring a kid into this world, I'd really have to drop everything. Cause that's just who I am. 

Mike Ham [15:59 - 15:59]: Sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [15:59 - 16:07]: You should have seen me with my ferrets. Oh, my gosh. I was home every 12 hours to give him meds. Live to nine and a half. Eowyn, the shield maiden of Rohan. 

Mike Ham [16:07 - 16:10]: Is that a lot for a ferret? I don't know. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:10 - 16:11]: They usually live for four or five. 

Mike Ham [16:11 - 16:14]: Okay, so that is a lot like, double normal. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:14 - 16:18]: Yeah. And I helped out at, like, the Scales and Tails shelter in Bugasana, too, a little bit. 

Mike Ham [16:18 - 16:19]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:20 - 16:23]: Lou barlow from Dinosaur Jr. His uncle owns it. 

Mike Ham [16:23 - 16:24]: Okay. Cool. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:24 - 16:24]: Uncle runs it. 

Mike Ham [16:24 - 16:25]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:25 - 16:33]: But, yeah, it's one of the sacrifices for sure. But, yeah, I'm okay with it. 

Mike Ham [16:34 - 16:41]: So you come from, like. Let's take kind of back to, like, the story of, you know, opera. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:41 - 16:42]: No, I'm kidding. 

Mike Ham [16:42 - 16:44]: No, no. But so we do. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:44 - 16:44]: You. 

Mike Ham [16:44 - 16:48]: You're. That's kind of how you kind of almost like, get. Excuse me. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:48 - 16:49]: Hello? 

Mike Ham [16:49 - 16:50]: We're busy. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:50 - 16:52]: Want to sing? I know. 

Mike Ham [16:52 - 16:53]: Doc, come here. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:53 - 16:57]: My guys. She's so calm for a puppy one year old. 

Mike Ham [16:57 - 16:58]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [16:58 - 17:07]: You want to get on the mic? Yes, you do. Oh, we'll do a duet. Can you sit down? 

Mike Ham [17:07 - 17:07]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [17:07 - 17:11]: I know you got that. You got the little kid energy. Yes, thank you. 

Mike Ham [17:11 - 17:14]: Just. No one's. No one's talking. No one's talking to Doug. So she's. 

Tory Anne Daines [17:14 - 17:15]: I know. 

Mike Ham [17:15 - 17:16]: Getting all. 

Tory Anne Daines [17:20 - 17:23]: This so much. I'm hugging this dog right now. 

Mike Ham [17:23 - 17:23]: Yeah, go for it. 

Tory Anne Daines [17:23 - 17:24]: Oh, my gosh. 

Mike Ham [17:24 - 17:25]: We'll cut this piece out. 

Tory Anne Daines [17:25 - 17:27]: No, you should keep this. 

Mike Ham [17:27 - 17:28]: Yeah, we'll keep this part. 

Tory Anne Daines [17:28 - 17:31]: Sure. Keep this anyway, but yeah, yeah, let's get back. 

Mike Ham [17:32 - 18:04]: So. Thank you. Thanks for. Thanks for that. Okay. So you kind of come from, like. That's almost how you get introduced to music. The violin, all that kind of stuff. But then at what point do you make this. When does hardcore become part of the music life for you? Cause to me, as not a musician, that seems like a jump, like we said with Matty, like, from hardcore to folk, but, like, from kind of what you were exposed to to get into hardcore. 

Tory Anne Daines [18:04 - 18:07]: Was it just like I'd never heard it before in my life? 

Mike Ham [18:07 - 18:07]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [18:07 - 18:09]: I went to Uri for a hot minute. 

Mike Ham [18:09 - 18:09]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [18:10 - 18:57]: And I spent all of high School. Trying to join bands didn't work. I actually assembled a band, but I hadn't lived with Rebecca Schlapich yet, so I didn't know what I was doing. Cause I was like, all right, if the boys aren't gonna let me in. It was a different time. I feel like it was like, boys against girls. And I'm so happy that's changed. It was so exhausting and so boring to not have that mix. Yeah. So I just, you know, I played electric violin. I ended up just meeting people. I forgot exactly how it happened, but I was just looking for bands because I had hoped it would be easier after. After high school. And that's. 

Mike Ham [18:57 - 18:58]: Doesn't get any. 

Tory Anne Daines [18:58 - 19:08]: There are so many stories of that band. But we did all right. We did Warped Tour. Okay, cool. We played with Chiodos number 12, who actually practices behind me at My Space now. 

Mike Ham [19:09 - 19:09]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [19:09 - 19:17]: So when I saw him. And then Cody from Thank youk Scientist is in it now, and he's. He's so lovely. He subbed for the country band once. It was so funny. 

Mike Ham [19:17 - 19:17]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [19:17 - 19:31]: We're looking at each other like, oh, no. This is like. He's such a technical player, like, on fretless, that he was stuck playing, like, the 1, 4, 5 chord progression. And just. He was just. He was going off on it. 

Mike Ham [19:31 - 19:32]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [19:32 - 19:37]: And I was cracking up because it sounded good, but it was. It was so. It was. It was not what country needed. 

Mike Ham [19:37 - 19:38]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [19:38 - 19:39]: So much fun. 

Mike Ham [19:39 - 19:39]: Not at this time. 

Tory Anne Daines [19:40 - 19:51]: Yeah. You know, and then we did. I used to live next to a venue in Providence, so it was like I met, like, the Blood Brothers. They were so nice. Like, wonky, wonky gentlemen. But such gentlemen. 

Mike Ham [19:51 - 19:51]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [19:53 - 19:55]: Oh, scary kids. Scaring kids. 

Mike Ham [19:55 - 19:56]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [19:56 - 21:13]: They were. And they are like. It's sad about Tyson that I felt that. But those guys resounded to me as, like, the band that we played with the most. I was like, oh, yeah. But let me tell you, coming from, you know, like, this opera, Broadway, like, what I was exposed to when I was a kid, to hearing classic rock in high school and going this. And having the same adrenaline as I would, like, listen to Prodigy now or hear, like, Nowhere. The band. Nowhere. It's funny because it just kept going. It kept going. I wasn't like. I had one epiphany, and I was like, this is great. I was like, I had a bunch. I didn't know hardcore. The first show that I played with these guys, pants halfway down their ass, let me tell you, would have given Jeff Rickley from Thursday a run for his Money, sure. Run, run for his money Those pants running down, yeah. The first show I played with them was at a VFW in Massachusetts, how to Take the Turnpike. I think this guy Richard Kalia booked it. Man, I did not know what I was in for. There were maybe 30 people in that room, but everybody was in the pit. Yeah, it was a big pit. And I left that show giving one girl a T shirt because she knocked out a tube. And I'm like, what did I get myself into? What is this? 

Mike Ham [21:13 - 21:15]: Yeah, what is this life now? 

Tory Anne Daines [21:15 - 21:41]: But that was really fun. It just naturally kind of ended for me. Cause I had to move back to. I went to. I moved and I ended up going to Montclair State. I moved back to Connecticut, went to Montclair State. I was living in Newtown at the time. And then, yeah, that was the time. I ended up playing that Bass Player's Wedding because I introduced him to his wife through college friend. Yeah, those are a lot of words. 

Mike Ham [21:41 - 21:43]: Yeah, it's good. 

Tory Anne Daines [21:43 - 21:45]: How did you get into music? 

Mike Ham [21:45 - 21:49]: I listened to it. I don't play music. Like, I'm not a musician. 

Tory Anne Daines [21:49 - 21:50]: So you're not into music? 

Mike Ham [21:50 - 22:16]: No, I am. I started a radio station because I'm into music. I started a show because I'm into music. I think, you know, I, like, enjoy it. And I do appreciate because, like, the stuff that I'm doing with, like, the podcast stuff and some of the other things, like, to me, like, that's my creative outlet, and that's kind of how I, you know, scratch that itch, I guess. 

Tory Anne Daines [22:16 - 22:21]: What do you like the most? What do I like genre wise? Like, what's. What gets you amped? 

Mike Ham [22:22 - 23:10]: What gets me amped? It really depends on, like, the day, the minute, the hour, if it's duck singing. But, like, even on, like, the show, when we're running the show, it's like, it'll go from, you know, like Lords of the Underground all the way through to, like, a Rhys VanRiper. But, like, a lot of times is great. Yeah. But a lot of times, like, Reese's sound is kind of like the sound that I usually like. You know, like classic rock, Southern rock, that kind of thing. Bluesy stuff, you know, I think that's what I would say, but it really, like, runs the game. Like, I'll sit and listen to, like, you know, Jackson Pine just put out a new album recently. Like, I'll just sit and listen to the whole thing, and I just, like, chill out, sit outside, watch her run around. Like, that's cool. But then just Go, like, the total other way. 

Tory Anne Daines [23:10 - 23:13]: And, you know, you hear a funny story about Rhys. 

Mike Ham [23:13 - 23:13]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [23:14 - 23:15]: Rhys. 

Mike Ham [23:17 - 23:20]: Send it to him, too, depending on how funny it is. 

Tory Anne Daines [23:20 - 23:33]: This is one of my favorite memories with. With Reese, because back when I was playing in those Mockingbirds, it was. Adam and Reese were friends first, and I'm five foot two. Uh, Reese is, like, eight foot four. 

Mike Ham [23:34 - 23:35]: Yeah. He's like, the biggest human I know. 

Tory Anne Daines [23:35 - 23:40]: My husband's 64 now, so, like, Reese doesn't seem to fall. It's. But I think Reese is probably, what, six, six? 

Mike Ham [23:40 - 23:43]: Yeah, like six, seven, six, six. Somewhere in there. 

Tory Anne Daines [23:43 - 23:44]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [23:44 - 23:48]: Duck. And she was growling at him, but not, like, really, like, how she does. 

Tory Anne Daines [23:48 - 23:48]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [23:48 - 23:53]: And then he growled back at her, and she was like, what the hell is that? Like, that's not the. Like, I've heard. 

Tory Anne Daines [23:53 - 23:55]: And it's. It's the Reese grit. 

Mike Ham [23:55 - 23:56]: Yeah. Yeah, the Reese grit. 

Tory Anne Daines [23:56 - 24:05]: Oh, my gosh. No, I love that guy. But we were. We were. He had a house. I forget where, but it was by a leak in South Jersey. 

Mike Ham [24:05 - 24:05]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [24:06 - 24:09]: And a bunch of us went over to his house to get snowed in. 

Mike Ham [24:09 - 24:11]: Sure. As one does. 

Tory Anne Daines [24:11 - 24:14]: And what do a bunch of delinquents do? They play hide and seek. 

Mike Ham [24:15 - 24:15]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [24:16 - 24:26]: And I remember. I think Adam was up, but this was at Reese's house, and somebody put on the Partridge Family. It was so creepy. 

Mike Ham [24:26 - 24:27]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [24:27 - 24:32]: And that was the length of time that we had to find a place to hide the Partridge Family. 

Mike Ham [24:32 - 24:33]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [24:34 - 24:45]: Why? And they only had vinyls, so this was a choice that Rhys made to have the Partridge Family on vinyl because that takes up space in your living area. And he had that space for the Partridge Family. 

Mike Ham [24:46 - 24:46]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [24:47 - 25:06]: There's just so much of. So, you know, we're getting snowed in. There's nowhere to go. I crawled. I just panicked. I'm like, I have to win this. I have to win this. So I crawled into, you know, those, like, dish cupboards? They have, like, these standalone dish cupboards. You got the glass in the front where you display all of. 

Mike Ham [25:06 - 25:07]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [25:07 - 25:16]: I crawled underneath, into the empty drawer underneath the two swinging open. I don't know how I got in there. It was pure adrenaline. 

Mike Ham [25:16 - 25:16]: Sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [25:16 - 25:17]: Went right in there. 

Mike Ham [25:17 - 25:18]: Winners want to win. 

Tory Anne Daines [25:18 - 25:21]: Everybody was found except for me. 

Mike Ham [25:21 - 25:22]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [25:22 - 25:46]: I sat in there for 20 minutes until people just went, where's tory? You know, it was a good 10 minutes of me just sitting in there going, like, should I do something? Like, did they forget about me? Yeah. And so, yeah, I was stuck in Reece's dish cupboard for, like, 20 minutes. But you won I did, but. But nobody cared because they were all found ten minutes ago. 

Mike Ham [25:46 - 25:48]: Oh. So, like, the rest of the. 

Tory Anne Daines [25:48 - 26:07]: So I needed help. I think Reece had to help me get out of the dish cupboard because I was really in there. Yeah, it was pretty impressive. Those were fun times. Like, it wasn't. It was those Mockingbirds and Reese playing a lot of shows together, and, you know, nobody was really on their phones. It was fun. Yeah, it was a good time. 

Mike Ham [26:07 - 26:15]: So let's talk real fast, because we're talking about Rhys, about. Because this is gonna be aired on the 17th and the 19th. 

Tory Anne Daines [26:16 - 26:18]: We should talk about the show Panic. 

Mike Ham [26:18 - 26:23]: Right. The show on the 20th. Because it's gonna be kind of like the coming out party for the new. 

Tory Anne Daines [26:23 - 26:27]: Episode for the entire lineup of the band, as it will be for the next few years. 

Mike Ham [26:27 - 26:28]: There you go. 

Tory Anne Daines [26:28 - 26:29]: Like, not. Not lineup, but. 

Mike Ham [26:29 - 26:30]: So it's still. 

Tory Anne Daines [26:30 - 26:30]: For a while. 

Mike Ham [26:30 - 26:31]: Yeah. So it's a big. 

Tory Anne Daines [26:31 - 26:32]: Forever. Hopefully. 

Mike Ham [26:32 - 26:51]: It's a big moment for. For the band. Can we talk about that and how exciting that is to kind of add new music out and to be kind of, like, moving down the road for, like. We talked about how you were kind of, like, holding some songs before they were ready, but now they're ready because you have this EB coming out. And I think you told me off mic that an album's coming out this summer. 

Tory Anne Daines [26:52 - 28:00]: Oh, yeah. The way that I run a band, the way I like to move, is the songs that we wrote and we recorded. We actually recorded them about a year ago, and we've just been continuing to work, work, work. But I wanted to make sure that whatever we put out with the cp, whenever we put this out, that it was a fully formed idea and concept and it was great. I called in friends, too. I got to work with John Agnello on this, too. He mixed it. John and Yellow started as my drinking buddy in Jersey City, but he's kind of a luminary producer. He's wonderful, but he's also an amazing person. I recorded with him on this album, Deveka Kuloi in Norway. So I ended up charting in Norway on Billboard. But I just looked. I was just the violinist, sure, but still. But she's wonderful. Yeah. So I drove down to North Carolina and mixed with him. Car camped down there, of course. 

Mike Ham [28:00 - 28:01]: Yeah, yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [28:01 - 28:05]: Woke up to an owl. That would put David Bowie's Labyrinth Owl to shame. It was freaking huge. 

Mike Ham [28:05 - 28:09]: Okay. I don't think I've ever seen an owl up close. 

Tory Anne Daines [28:09 - 28:12]: It was too close. Too close. Oh, my God. 

Mike Ham [28:12 - 28:13]: Huge. 

Tory Anne Daines [28:13 - 28:20]: It was the Size of it was like a medium sized dog. Oh, it was really big. 

Mike Ham [28:20 - 28:20]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [28:21 - 28:27]: Wingspan. Wingspan was like maybe four feet. Yeah, it was huge. But he was so cute. 

Mike Ham [28:28 - 28:29]: So cute. 

Tory Anne Daines [28:30 - 28:31]: He was really cute. 

Mike Ham [28:31 - 28:32]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [28:34 - 28:35]: Just like your dog. 

Mike Ham [28:36 - 28:38]: Yeah, you're cute. We get. 

Tory Anne Daines [28:41 - 30:20]: Feels good. I'm excited, but I, in my own head sometimes forget that life is a journey, not a destination. And I'm already on to thinking, okay, we've got two collaborations. And after those Mockingbirds reunited, Adam and I were doing a collaboration. It's like a. Because we're both members of those Mockingbirds. It's now those Mockingbirds in fair Panic collaboration. Truly. Guy's a songwriting beast. And then I'm also working with Audra G. Johnson, who's an influencer and a model and honestly one of the most fantastic human beings ever. And she's young, so. Which is really nice because it broadens the age span of the group because our. Our drummer has been around for a while and he's been through all these different progressions and talk about sacrifices made for music. He grew up in Puerto Rico, so we're trying to get back there, actually, because I also play with the Garden State Warriors. It's kind of Jun and the Pusher side project. It's R and B, rap, R and B. Randy Hayes from that group also has ties in Puerto Rico. So I'm trying to get us both down there. But yeah, he sacrificed a lot. He went from Puerto Rico to Florida up here. It's exciting for everybody, I think, in the group, but I do always wish that I could have things kind of move at the same speed that we're at. But it's always got to work backwards. So if that makes any sense. I was like the longest answer for that. It's just. 

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Tory Anne Daines [31:24 - 31:45]: I think it's the coming out party. I really didn't. We got halted by quarantine. I. You know, just trying to struggle to survive. I had to get an insurance license. I did all that stuff. But this is the first time I'm really pushing it. So it really is a new project in that way. These guys all are fresh. 

Mike Ham [31:45 - 32:09]: Yeah. So can we talk maybe. Maybe about them individually? Like, why these three songs are part of this coming out party for Fair Panic and, you know, because obviously we said album coming out. Obviously there's big things on the horizon for. For the band and for you and for everybody. So why. Why? These three songs were the first three that to kind of put out there for everybody to listen to. 

Tory Anne Daines [32:12 - 32:18]: I think these were the first three that I brought to the group. 

Mike Ham [32:18 - 32:19]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [32:20 - 32:44]: And all the time that I sit on things, I bring them in. These were the first three that really came together. And what's nice about them is they span the time from those mockingbirds to now in topic. So to go backwards. Oh my Is about. If you want to know. I don't know if you want to know. 

Mike Ham [32:44 - 32:46]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me. 

Tory Anne Daines [32:46 - 33:54]: Okay. I was in a lot of bands where things were hidden in lyrics, and I didn't want to do that. I wanted to do the scary thing and say, hey, you know, here's what it really was, and here's what happened, and here's how bad it was. Here's how good it can be and shine a light in that. But oh my. Was coming out of a relationship and just dealing with, you know, what you could get in the moment from people. And then just like, I'm so tired of this. It feels so good to just be away from this. And I'm surprised at how good I feel just by myself. And just. I tend to play characters too. So, like on. On the Feels album, what song is it? Combat Love. I am not myself. I am the worst version of myself. Just literally calling somebody by the worst name. It's like when you dig into a wound or something and you just. It's playing a villain. But I didn't mean a lot of that. It was just kind of that way. That's the only song on that album when I was just. I was just viciously brutal. I think everything else. There's always something in there to brighten it. 

Mike Ham [33:54 - 33:55]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [33:56 - 34:22]: So, yeah. Oh, my. Is kind of about that. It's just like, wow, I actually feel okay. And then Entirely True is one of the. It's like kind of. It ended up. It was an older melody that I wrote, and it ended up becoming about what happens when you are with somebody. Because I think that people are boats to bring you to the next shore. 

Mike Ham [34:22 - 34:23]: Interesting. 

Tory Anne Daines [34:23 - 34:24]: Or to the shore. 

Mike Ham [34:24 - 34:24]: Yeah. Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [34:24 - 34:36]: You know, and I'm grateful to have found my shore. That is. I do not take that for granted. And I hope you hear that, Kyle. Just kidding. 

Mike Ham [34:36 - 34:37]: We'll clip that, too, and we'll send the jam. 

Tory Anne Daines [34:38 - 34:45]: Yeah, just send this for Valentine's Day, please. Give him. He's a phenomenal drummer. I met him in one of the country bands I was in. 

Mike Ham [34:45 - 34:46]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [34:46 - 35:08]: He's not a country guy, but he's such a good drummer. All I'm saying is just don't date your own instrument. But, yeah, it's about, you know, like, when you. When you date somebody, whether or not they end up being terrible, and you look and, you know, you're talking with somebody you're with now, and you just have to assume there was something there to begin with. If you love this person, they see something in you. There's probably something decent about that person that they liked. 

Mike Ham [35:08 - 35:09]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [35:09 - 35:33]: And it's about. It's about like, one of my exes that just had this policy where you'd be like, I'm going to cut everything off. And coming from me was like, you know, I definitely had those abandonment issues where I was like, I'm fighting this. I'm gonna get through it. I think I did an okay job. Done all right now. Yeah, it was some work. Just like learning to trust again or maybe trust for the first time. 

Mike Ham [35:33 - 35:35]: Sure. We all kind of go through that, though. 

Tory Anne Daines [35:35 - 35:48]: Yeah. I think it's important to talk about, but sometimes you just miss your friend. You miss that part of that person that you like, you appreciate, but you just don't want anything to do with them in that way. 

Mike Ham [35:48 - 35:48]: Yeah, Right. 

Tory Anne Daines [35:49 - 36:08]: But you miss your friend and you're like, so that's what that's about. Love Could. Love could was the hardest song for me, actually, to sing, to write, because I think I might have been crying at the studio a little bit. 

Mike Ham [36:08 - 36:09]: Oh, she heard you were crying. 

Tory Anne Daines [36:09 - 36:12]: Oh, thank you. Aw, little one. 

Mike Ham [36:12 - 36:12]: Sit like a person. 

Tory Anne Daines [36:12 - 36:13]: Little pup. 

Mike Ham [36:14 - 36:16]: Okay, Duck. 

Tory Anne Daines [36:16 - 36:17]: I don't know if that's going to do much for you. 

Mike Ham [36:17 - 36:22]: If you're biting my finger, do the giraffe again. Oh, you just interrupted a good story. 

Tory Anne Daines [36:23 - 37:28]: No, it's good because I don't want to get emotional about it, but, yeah. My friend and former bandmate, Dan Ben Shudler, we grew up together. We went to the same preschool, and he would say, we didn't go there together. I was a year older than him. And so. Well, kindergarten. I think it was a kindergarten, but we grew up together. We weren't very close in high school, but because my mom was an opera singer, I was in the youth orchestras, you know, we were around each other the whole time. After we graduated, you know, he was in the city and he was still doing music, so I asked him if he wanted to work on the Feels album with me. We grew very close. And I don't get close to a lot of people, not because I don't want to, but because of time, especially in the music industry. It's all encompassing. Your weekends are packed, and if they're not, you're probably trying to catch up on months of. Four hours of sleep. 

Mike Ham [37:28 - 37:29]: Yeah, right. 

Tory Anne Daines [37:29 - 38:16]: And then, you know, it's saying you should be practicing. But he had a heart condition. I don't know if it was. I think it was open heart surgery. He had a scar down his chest. And. Yeah, I just remember growing up, his dad was a cellist, so he used to. Dad. I knew his dad growing up. His dad saw me grow up. But he lost two of his moms to illness as well growing up. And so his dad is. His dad's great. His dad is one of the strongest people I think I've ever met. He's Swiss, so his English is also broken, so he talks about stuff. It's just hits with such an impact. That just sounds like money. I'm kidding. But he loves baroque music and he builds cellos. 

Mike Ham [38:16 - 38:17]: Of course he does. 

Tory Anne Daines [38:17 - 38:17]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [38:17 - 38:19]: Yeah. Sounds like an interesting guy. 

Tory Anne Daines [38:19 - 39:03]: And his partner Pam's great, so. Yeah. But, yeah, Dan and I grew close. He's a great cellist, but he did not listen on bass. Sometimes. I think we did one show where he was playing an entire fret off. I don't know how that works. If you're playing fret list, you go to a fretted instrument and you're doing this stuff. I was like, dan, but stop it. Yeah, he passed away, say, like, maybe a little over a year ago or maybe more. Even at this point, I just don't even think about it. But we used to text, and he was always just this positive influence in my life, and he passed away. He was actually in an Ariana Grande video, too. 

Mike Ham [39:03 - 39:03]: Oh, really? 

Tory Anne Daines [39:03 - 39:06]: I don't know how he got himself in there, but never promoted it. 

Mike Ham [39:06 - 39:07]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [39:08 - 39:28]: But, yeah, he did some amazing things. He lived a life, but it was. It was unexpected, and he kind of knew. But that song is Love could. What the EP is titled about is what it means to, like, basically just being kind of blindsided, and you think that you're going to be able to love your friends forever. And you're like, you love your friends. 

Mike Ham [39:28 - 39:28]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [39:28 - 39:52]: It's like. So it's actually about a friend. It's not about a relationship at all. It's about loving your friend and thinking, I thought this could be forever. Like, I thought, you know, and then trying to find joy in that. And the line, you know, you're the green. And, you know, it's things to me about, you know, you're the green in the city. And it's about. Cause he used to live in Greenpoint. 

Mike Ham [39:52 - 39:52]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [39:52 - 40:00]: So that's where his ashes are, too. I haven't been able to even bring myself to go and look at the water yet. It's still kind of fresh, even though it's been a while. 

Mike Ham [40:00 - 40:03]: Sure, but it's such a big part of your life for so long. 

Tory Anne Daines [40:04 - 40:29]: Yeah, but we weren't really close until after high school. And even still, my level of close is like, you text all the time, you tell people things, but I'll change subjects here. On a joyous note, one of the members from the first album, the Incarnation now, is here to stay. That says it, but Ryan Palermo. Okay, left turn, left turn for this dude. 

Mike Ham [40:29 - 40:29]: Sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [40:29 - 41:00]: Phenomenal jazz drummer. That's why the album's weird, because he. He'd never really played, like, rock music before. So I said, yeah, just go with it. Yeah. So, like, angel, the drummer now comes in, and he's. He's, like, listening to Combat Love, going, what the heck? He nails it. He nails it. He's so good. Palermo is actually working, you know, working on AI over in Thailand right now. So let's go there. He's like, I love music, but I want to. I want to just not be broke. 

Mike Ham [41:00 - 41:00]: Sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [41:00 - 41:05]: So, hey, listen, he went to the Flatiron School in Manhattan. 

Mike Ham [41:05 - 41:05]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [41:05 - 41:06]: For coding. 

Mike Ham [41:06 - 41:06]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [41:07 - 41:12]: I saw him. He was there, like, 18, 19 hours a day at the computer. I used to go make sure he was alive. 

Mike Ham [41:12 - 41:12]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [41:12 - 41:33]: Because we were roommates. He lived across the man. Guy worked hard, but now he's traveling the globe just working remotely, working on AI and he's doing some pretty amazing things. And with his mind, I kind of. He's the only one I trust. In AI right now. Sure. Because he's got morals. Yeah. I'm not saying everybody, you know, doesn't have those, but. 

Mike Ham [41:33 - 41:34]: Not a blanket thing, of course. 

Tory Anne Daines [41:34 - 41:35]: Anyway, I'm talking your ear off. 

Mike Ham [41:35 - 41:36]: No, this is good. 

Tory Anne Daines [41:36 - 41:37]: I'm sorry. 

Mike Ham [41:37 - 41:39]: Well, we needed to talk about the. Talk about. 

Tory Anne Daines [41:39 - 42:43]: But those. That's. That's what they're about. Yeah. You know, it's. If this was, like, the last thing I'd ever put out, I would feel probably more excited, but I just want to keep going. But, yeah, these songs all mean a lot, and I do intend on. We all do intend on redoing some things on them for jlp. So these actually will be on the lp, but maybe some different stuff in there, but yeah, we're kind of going off the rails. And now. Now I'm not as attached to some of the songs. Some of the songs I play a character where I'm like, indie sleaze, Jane's Addiction. Like, I would never be like this in real life. And it's fun to play that. Sure, it's fun, but I need people to know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we have a song called get off, and I'm like, I was so hesitant to even send this song to. These songs to my dad. Yeah, he's in Australia, by the way. He's on his fourth marriage. I think he got it right. 

Mike Ham [42:43 - 42:43]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [42:44 - 42:45]: Yeah. He was an attorney and a really. 

Mike Ham [42:46 - 42:48]: Good one, and it's in Australia. Lives in Australia. 

Tory Anne Daines [42:48 - 42:50]: Oh, I love my dad so much. Brilliant man. 

Mike Ham [42:50 - 42:50]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [42:50 - 42:53]: Brilliant. He's happy, though. I like Tina, so that's good. 

Mike Ham [42:53 - 42:59]: That's good. So those are the songs, but you talk. 

Tory Anne Daines [42:59 - 43:14]: Yeah, I just. I have to send it to your dad. When you're thinking about, like, you know, men have a one track mind. But I guess I do too, like that stuff. And I'm like, all right, hi, dad. And then get off. I can't wait for that one to come out. Yeah, that's gonna be a fun one to explain. 

Mike Ham [43:15 - 43:40]: Is it nice? So, like, the COVID band stuff and, like the country stuff, whatever. So, like, is it like. I don't know what the word is therapeutic. To just kind of, like, then like, be playing other people's stuff so much and then just be able to, like, finally have more of your own stuff out there, or is it just like music is music and you just love it and you're cool with all the stuff that it has to offer? 

Tory Anne Daines [43:41 - 44:13]: I don't even know anymore. I listen to country so much that I don't know who I Am anymore when I'm learning stuff. So I didn't like country initially, and I think I kind of do now because I have a soft spot for pop, because I do believe that every song that we put out, I want it to stand alone. Okay. So I'll let you in on something so Entirely True has actually been recorded as a jazz single as well. 

Mike Ham [44:13 - 44:13]: Okay. 

Tory Anne Daines [44:16 - 44:19]: As a jazz single, that is the heaviest song on the cp. 

Mike Ham [44:19 - 44:20]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [44:20 - 45:41]: And, yeah. I mean, but doing the covers, I've learned so much from those country artists that I. Well, I never thought I'd learn so much from them, but I did. I learned the violins, get some of the guitar solos. So the band Perry is one of them, and I'm like, dude, he's ripping. And I actually messaged him on Facebook when I got a good recording of me playing it, and he was laughing at it. He went on to do sports casting, which is cool. But harmonies, I learned so much, which is funny that I'm not really utilizing them right now. I don't know if I will with this stuff. I haven't decided. But, yeah, I was always the highest harmony. I was not really singing lead until country leads until a year ago. I have more experience as a backup musician than I do anything else. An orchestrator I worked with. I don't know. I don't get bitter about it like some people do. I don't think playing cover music is the end of the road because it allows me to do what I'm doing. Now, granted, I need more. Give me more work. 

Mike Ham [45:41 - 45:42]: Right? Yeah. Right. 

Tory Anne Daines [45:43 - 45:45]: Looking at you over there in the camera. 

Mike Ham [45:45 - 45:49]: There in the camera. Give me more work on the earbuds or whatever. 

Tory Anne Daines [45:49 - 46:27]: Yeah. And I know self promotion is dead at this point because everybody's more interested in the person, and then they're like, yeah, I'll check out their music. I don't care. Give me work. I need it, please. Thank you. But I don't know. Yeah, it's fun. I've learned a lot about stage presence that I never would have learned, because I learned from Johanna Liberte. She was a singer in Radio Nashville, which is the band I met my husband in. Yeah. Her voice and the way she's lupus and lyme. 

Mike Ham [46:27 - 46:27]: Oh, wow. 

Tory Anne Daines [46:27 - 46:44]: And we were just a mess. I was passing kidney stones on stage, and she was off stage just like. And then she'd get back up and, you know, I got a bear in my bear and a Chevy in my truck Got a dog at the wheel Cut off Jane's truck. It's like, it's ridiculous. 

Mike Ham [46:44 - 46:44]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [46:44 - 47:17]: There I ruined it. But duck. Yeah. Her professionalism and the way she executed the stage presence, it just taught me. I've also been kind of speaking to that. I've also been kind of watching the singer of my husband's band, Dean. His stage presence is incredible. So it's kind of being inspired and I don't want to copy anybody, so I just want to kind of tap into that energy. Look what I'm working with and look what they're working with. And how can I. How can I push myself and with what I've been handed physically. 

Mike Ham [47:17 - 47:22]: Yeah. And I think it just. It's like. Like you get more reps kind of thing. Right? 

Tory Anne Daines [47:22 - 47:26]: You just. Oh yeah. The country stuff. Absolutely. It's a win. Win. Everybody's so drunk. 

Mike Ham [47:26 - 47:26]: Yeah, sure. 

Tory Anne Daines [47:26 - 47:33]: You know, I've had lighting equipment fall on my head, but it was fine because I had a disco ball of cowboy hat on. It was like a hard hat. 

Mike Ham [47:33 - 47:33]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [47:33 - 47:35]: I won some cred with the band for that because I did not miss a beat. 

Mike Ham [47:36 - 47:36]: Totally. 

Tory Anne Daines [47:36 - 47:40]: And I just let the lighting rig fell off because I was just like. It was the end of a four hour set. 

Mike Ham [47:40 - 47:41]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [47:42 - 48:02]: Yeah. You get a lot of practice in and it's a show for you too. That's the biggest thing. You see a man dressed entirely in gold in a casino and you're glued to that the entire time. I wasn't playing anybody else at that show. Just Goldman. If you're listening, Goldman. I was looking at you wherever you are. Love those gold shoes. 

Mike Ham [48:02 - 48:04]: You definitely listen to this show. 

Tory Anne Daines [48:04 - 48:14]: I can tell you had gold underwear on underneath that. Cause it would not be consistent. So, yeah, thanks for your dedication. But I wonder what was his story? 

Mike Ham [48:14 - 48:17]: I don't know. She's like, those are the kind of stories that I want to try to. 

Tory Anne Daines [48:17 - 48:24]: It'd be made of money down. How do you. How do you afford to be at a casino every time you play there for like two years? I don't understand. 

Mike Ham [48:24 - 48:27]: I don't know. That's a whole other maybe issue. 

Tory Anne Daines [48:27 - 48:29]: I guess I miss him. I haven't seen him in a few years. 

Mike Ham [48:29 - 48:31]: Yeah, well, maybe he ran out of gambling. 

Tory Anne Daines [48:31 - 48:33]: Maybe he. Maybe he ran out of money. 

Mike Ham [48:33 - 48:33]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [48:36 - 48:39]: Oh my gosh. It was amazing. 

Mike Ham [48:39 - 48:40]: So. 

Tory Anne Daines [48:40 - 48:41]: All right. 

Mike Ham [48:41 - 48:52]: Getting close to the end of this. So the show stash is separator fair panic. Reese VanRiper. That's February 20th. What time does it start? 

Tory Anne Daines [48:52 - 49:04]: So it starts at 8pm okay. And then we have a show that's our New Jersey release show. That's Going to be the biggest one. We're also playing at Bowery electric on the 22nd. 

Mike Ham [49:04 - 49:05]: Cool. 

Tory Anne Daines [49:05 - 49:33]: The EP comes out on the 21st. I will be playing a country show on the 21st in Bordentown with the Glenn Roberts Band in a small capacity because Austin City has to be my big one. That's how it is. But, yeah, the 22nd is at Bowery with Lost a Romance, Jersey band, and then the industry darlings. But I can't wait for Stash's. It's gonna be quite a reunion. 

Mike Ham [49:33 - 49:57]: I haven't seen Rhys and I, when they did his birthday party show. I think it was earlier that week. We had done an episode before that, so we were live from Stosha's, but I wasn't able to go. I still haven't seen a show at Stash's, but I'm very excited because Chris and I were just like, love a dive bar. Like, that's our wheelhouse. That's where we like to hang out. It's the best. 

Tory Anne Daines [49:57 - 49:59]: Have we been talking for an hour? 

Mike Ham [50:00 - 50:01]: Like 52 minutes. 

Tory Anne Daines [50:01 - 50:05]: That is insane. Yeah, I think I talked the entire hour. 

Mike Ham [50:05 - 50:17]: No, no, she took up some time. I took up some time. Not even at an hour yet. It's a podcast, so people want to hear stories and hear people talk. 

Tory Anne Daines [50:18 - 50:18]: Yeah. 

Mike Ham [50:19 - 50:29]: But it was great. So I appreciate you, Sharon, your story, the story of Fair Panic, the new ep, which is called Entirely True. 

Tory Anne Daines [50:29 - 50:30]: Nope. 

Mike Ham [50:30 - 50:32]: No, Try again, which is called Love could. 

Tory Anne Daines [50:33 - 50:33]: Yes. 

Mike Ham [50:34 - 50:40]: And 50. 50. Shot at my last one, but. So it's called oh, oh, by the way. 

Tory Anne Daines [50:40 - 50:48]: And Ben Shedler's dad, the song Love Quits about my friend that passed away. His dad actually played cello on that recording. 

Mike Ham [50:49 - 50:51]: Oh, co. That's great. 

Tory Anne Daines [50:53 - 50:56]: That was a time for sure. He got his little pizza too, which is really nice. 

Mike Ham [50:56 - 50:57]: That is nice. 

Tory Anne Daines [50:57 - 50:58]: I love them so much. 

Mike Ham [50:58 - 51:14]: Yeah. And it's great to hear just, like, the stories behind these songs. And I'm glad that these are, like. When I asked why these three, obviously they all have significant meaning to you and to all that, so I'm glad that you were able to share them with us. 

Tory Anne Daines [51:14 - 51:16]: Did I make the cut? 

Mike Ham [51:16 - 51:17]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [51:20 - 51:23]: How would you rate this interview on a scale of 10 to 10? 

Mike Ham [51:23 - 51:23]: 10. 

Tory Anne Daines [51:23 - 51:24]: Great. 

Mike Ham [51:24 - 51:24]: Yeah. 

Tory Anne Daines [51:24 - 51:26]: Just cut everything else I said and just go 10. 

Mike Ham [51:26 - 51:28]: 10. Yeah, 10 out of 10. 

Tory Anne Daines [51:30 - 51:31]: Yeah, that's it. Done. 

Mike Ham [51:31 - 51:36]: Okay. So if people want to learn more about Fair Panic, where would you send them to go do that? 

Tory Anne Daines [51:38 - 52:08]: I'd send them to Stoshes on 220 at 8:00pm Socials. I'd send them to Stashes at 2 2:28pm they can ask me there. No, it's a fair panic on Instagram. I actually use it as kind of my personal. So you will get a response. Yeah, just reach out so there and then. And then I can send you our link tree as well. But yeah, you can just go to Spotify at this point. 

Mike Ham [52:09 - 52:10]: Yeah, we'll put the link tree. 

Tory Anne Daines [52:10 - 52:12]: We're pretty easy to find. 

Mike Ham [52:12 - 52:45]: We'll put the link tree in the show notes. People just go click it and check it out. Obviously the podcast episode is going to come out after the release show, but the EP will be out so they can just go listen to it. For everybody listening to this on Radio Garden State, thank you for listening. You got a sneak peek of some of these songs. I know we didn't play them while we were actually recording, but we'll do some nice edits into it. Duck just really is the shining star, really of all this? This is the first time she's ever been on like a full episode. So thank you for dealing with that. 

Tory Anne Daines [52:45 - 52:49]: That's to deal with. Okay. 

Mike Ham [52:50 - 53:08]: All right, we'll wrap it up while you guys do your thing. Okay. So this has been the Greetings for the Garden State podcast, powered by the New Jersey Lottery. I'm Mike Ham. We were here with Toriann Danes from Fair Panic. Check out their new EP that's out already. Check it out. This has been the Greetings with Gay podcast New Jersey Lottery. Thanks for listening and we'll catch you next. 

Tory Anne Daines [53:12 - 53:22]: You, baby do you all right oh, tell me before you go all the. 

Mike Ham [53:22 - 53:25]: Way do you all right.