S5 E32: American Artifacts: The Eagle

The bald eagle has been a symbol of America for centuries, but the story behind its place in American history is more interesting than you might think. Dale and Brian explore why the eagle was chosen, how it became part of the Great Seal, and the surprising fact that it wasn’t officially designated as the national bird until 2024.

The conversation then turns to the Great Seal and the original proposals from Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams. From biblical imagery and the story of Moses to the eagle, olive branch, arrows, 13 stars, and E pluribus unum, the symbols were designed with meaning and intention. As the brothers continue their look at American artifacts during the nation’s 250th celebration, they encourage listeners to look beyond familiar symbols, go to the source, and discover the history and ideas behind them.

Episode Highlights: 

• The story behind America’s eagle.
• Why the bald eagle was chosen.
• Drafting America’s national animal.
• The Great Seal and its biblical roots.
• The meaning behind the Great Seal’s symbols.

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George Washington used to hunt eagles. There was a story in his book that I'm reading, he took down four in one day. Bald eagles.

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Oh, that one hurts. That's the first chink in the armor I got for George Washington.

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So, why would two guys leave comfortable jobs, move across the country, and start a business in an industry they don't know, a place they don't know, and could it be successful? We're Dale and Brian Carmen.

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Join us as we share our story and inspire you to become people of impact.

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Welcome to the Impact Without Limits Podcast.

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Welcome back to the Impact Without Limits podcast. As we celebrate the semi-quincentennial, this is Dale Carmi here with my brother Brian. Hey everybody, welcome back. You see that curpo I put in there?

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Yeah, you're all over the place. I'm telling you. So power of the stones.

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They are still Stone Tracker. This is where we started. This is where we still are. In the like stones in the Avengers movies? Yeah, the Tesseract. Maybe that's what I got inside of me. I was thinking, should we name this thing? The only thing I want, you can call it Benedict Arnold. Uh you got it. But if you're Benedict Arnold, you started out good and you turned bad. I don't know if this thing ever started out good. This might just be King George rolling around. King George might be a good could just be a loyalist.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Alright, so we are talking about American artifacts. Last episode we talked about the flag. It's been kind of fun. Um this episode, we are gonna talk about the eagle and where the idea of the eagle came from, Fram. Love the Fram. And uh yeah, there's a I'm gonna be honest. I did buy into this mythology, and I from what I'm reading right now, it appears that it was not true.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Might be like Washington's wooden teeth.

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Yeah, but the mythology that Benjamin Franklin and possibly George Washington preferred the turkey as the American symbol because I don't know. I don't know why, but that's kind of what I heard. I can't everything I'm reading right now says that that was mythology and not true.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

That's so interesting because I absolutely grew up learning that and believing that to this day. Like you just pop that pop, that was a bubble. It wasn't the stone. No, that was not the kidney. That was my bubble. I I've always believed Benjamin Franklin wanted the turkey as the national bird.

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We're gonna have to dig deeper on that, but as of right now, I don't know that that's true. All right. He did not love the eagle, and there is some things where he thought it's not a good moral bird, which is kind of funny to think about the morality of birds. But let's dive into the eagle, and it actually comes from or it was used in first in 1782 in the Great Seal. And we'll talk about the Great Seal in a little bit. But let's talk specifically about the eagle. Why? Why an eagle?

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So let me ask. So it was used in the seal before it became the national bird, right?

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Is that the national bird? We consider it the national bird, but yeah, it came from the seal. That's where it came from. So why the eagle? Powerful. Powerful. I would I would go with that. They're majestic. Strength and courage. Right? Strength and courage. Source fast, bold, powerful. Sees all eagles have good eyesight. Really good eyesight. See everything. Are all of the eagle's eyes like that brilliant blue? Like the the ones I'm picturing, like you got the brilliant white head, and then just this like really piercing blue eye. I'm gonna try and find out. Live. But you this is I get fact-checked live. But the but the Yeah, just the bald eagle. We we happen to live on some property where there are a few bald eagles, and they're amazing to look at, just the way they soar, and how stark of a contrast it is between their brown body and then this brilliant white head. Um, the bald eagle, that is, and just really cool. So um, a couple other things about it. It's a native species found in North America. So it separated it from European symbols. Did you find something?

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This is AI. So we careful. The answer is not always blue. They typically, so more common, have dark brown or yellowish colors to their eyes.

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Yes, definitely see.

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So the thing you love about those bald eagles.

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It doesn't even exist. I am just gonna I am just gonna do a quick the the eagle on our property, I'm pretty sure has brilliant blue eyes.

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Maybe this is the one maybe this is the one you see.

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Yes. Look, he's got two different eyes. That is not brown. No, that's yellow. Exactly. I'm fine with yellow eyes. Well, it says they term yellow. I'll give you yellow. I'm not buying dark brown. He's good, he's got like cataract. The yellow eyes are I'll give you that. Okay, enough about the eyes. We were talking about the bald eagle was used because it was native to North America, native to this area, separating it from European. The Romans used eagles as a military symbol, but not bald eagle. Uno, okay.

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I was gonna hit you with an Uno momento, porfavor. Okay. I was gonna ask, how could the Romans use an eagle if it's native to America?

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Ah, and I cut you off. You cut me off. I'm sorry. The answer is they used a bronze eagle. The bronze eagle. The beauty of the American bald eagle is the stark white head. Yes. In the tail, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:43

Yes. That bird, when when you see it, and you talked about we have them, and we've seen them on our property, and you know, we've obviously seen them out in the wild a lot. Saw them in Alaska, saw them in Canada, but that bird is just stunning. It's majestic. It's so large, powerful, but beautiful, and just don't get me started on the blue eyes.

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Or the yellow eyes, but they're not brown. I'm telling you, they're not brown. So I just quick question, quick hip-hop quiz. When we said 1782 was used in the Great Seal, but when was it officially recognized as the official bird of America?

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Tick tock, tick-tock. If I were gonna answer this like in a uh 10 minutes ago, I would have said probably I would have said probably somewhere in the early 1800s. I would have said 1800s, yes. Uh you know, being fair, I would have said, you know, the the the first decade, yeah, it's America, we have the seal, we're doing okay, now that's it. What we found out is this 2024. Wow. Is when the Eagle officially became the national birds. Wow. Sorry. Of the United States. And and who's responsible for that?

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Listen, Congress passed the bill, but I'm gonna give credit where credit is due. Joe Biden signed this into law. Thank you, President Biden. And what was how'd you say it? I said well, what I said off air was Joe Biden, although slow and dangerous behind the resolute desk, can still serve a purpose.

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And this was it. This is it.

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Or his auto pen. It might have been the auto pen. Signed into law that the Would you say December 23rd? December 23rd, 2023. I mean, he's two weeks left. And he's still signing stuff. Where his pen is between pardons and other things, he's signing into law that the bald eagle is the official bird of America. It's crazy. I I mean, I certainly would have thought it was before that. So just a fun little game here. If if you were picking an animal, let's let's just have a little draft. Okay. Okay. Who would you pick? What animal would you pick?

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So I can pick any animal that I want to represent as the animal of the United States. You could pick a turkey? Because obviously we said that the eagle was the national bird, but it's the animal that represents America. Yeah.

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And I think I said this on a previous episode. But George Washington used to hunt eagles. There was a story in his book that I'm reading. He took down four in one day. Bald eagles.

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Oh, that one hurts. That's the first chink in the armor I've got for George Washington.

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But it wasn't a good one.

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He didn't know it was young Washington, right?

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Well, it wasn't even used in the skill yet.

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He's not like in the Revolutionary War saying, hang on, guys, I'm going to run out and shoot a bald eagle. This was before all this stuff started. And let's go. I'll give him a pass on that.

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That's going to be pretty much good. Yeah.

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Plunk.

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So anyway, all right. All right. You could choose any animal. Could be a bald eagle. Could be a body. Honestly, I don't have to think very long.

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So you can't choose an eagle, because that one's already taken. Okay. I don't have to think very long. I'm going bison. Oh, I'm going bison. Bison. Which many people call buffalo. It truly isn't a buffalo. It's a bison. It's a bison. The buffalo has those horns. It's a water buffalo. Water buffalo. But uh listen, um my goodness, they have a huge head. It is gigantic. They are powerful. They, you know, we've heard that story that when there are storms and raging storms and winds and blizzards, they turn and face into the storm. They don't run and hide from it. They don't curl up. They stand there and stand facing the storm or even walk into it. Uh you know, I've heard it said they're not nimble. Have you seen that buffalo chase that old man around the the trees out at uh whatever is it, Yellowstone Park or whatever, a month ago? We gotta show this video clip. Work a clip of that in, right? We're gonna show this clip, but like this buffalo is laying there minding his own business, rolling in the the dust, and there is a man and uh a grand, I had a granddaughter, grandson. I'm sorry, I don't remember if it was a boy or a girl, but standing pretty good distance off. I think it was beyond the distance they were supposed to be taking a picture. That old man had the nerve to take a picture. And the buffalo the bison, thank you, yes, just kind of like takes a look and is like, what? And and kind of gets up. But then a lot of people miss this in the full video. A pickup truck pulls like in between the guy and his grandchild and the buffalo and like but thank you. And honks his horn and then drives off. And I think the hornhulk might have been what really agitated the bison. So now it's a truck. Yeah, so the truck moves on and the bison starts chasing this guy, and he runs into the trees, and it's like there's this little game of hide and seek for about eight seconds, ten seconds, or the guy's running around to one side of the trees, and the bison goes to the other, and they're back and forth.

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It might have been a game of chase, it was not hide and seek. There was a heat-seeking missile called a bison, and that guy wasn't hiding at all.

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It was seek and destroy. Oh man. Man, that thing catches this guy, flips him up in the air, he goes eight, ten feet in the air, comes down on the ground, and look, I wouldn't be laughing about it if the guy had died. Obviously, that would have been bad. And he was seriously injured, but he lived. He's okay, and he was willing to joke about it and put things out there. I have tremendous. I think what he did was great because he took it. He's right, he got him to protect protect his child. But yeah, so those things can move. And he's strong, they're epic. I mean, that is North America. That is North America. You don't you don't get that anywhere else. I yeah, Canada's part of North America, but it's just a beautiful looking animal. And uh, I don't know, to me, that's a that's a pretty easy call. So what do you leave me with much here?

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Yeah, because uh the eagle's gone, the bison is gone. I want to go like lion or tiger. Yeah, you know, lion, you know, the biblical. But there's no lions in the and honestly, between a lion and a tiger.

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Did you see my notes?

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Come on, man, give me a minute, let me build, let me tell the story. So you have you have lions, which I love, but they're like African. You have the tiger. The tiger is actually to me, like as growing up as a kid, like the white Bengal tiger, was my Siberian tiger, those things are just incredible. I love polar bears, but polar bears really aren't those things are rough and tough.

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Like, we probably didn't even know polar bears were well. I mean, Alaska wasn't part of America, but it doesn't because that one's out.

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We talked about the beaver earlier, that's the mascot of our school, and we did decide it's very patriotic. I just have a problem with a rodent as our national animal. So then I go to the grizzly bear. And I I'm gonna be honest, I was settled on the grizzly bear. Because the grizzly bear is just fierce, it's American, it's it. I mean, you poke a mama grizzly, it's taken you down. The grizzly bear. The problem I have, what do you think of when you think of a country and you think of a bear, you think of Russia?

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Russia. But we're I'm stuck. But we're pretending it was 1776.

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You would tell me that. Back then, I would have chosen the grizzly bear, and then Russia would have been stuck with a pig or something.

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They're taking a panda.

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Yeah. But I did land in today's world on the mountain lion. That's a good choice. The mountain lion is pretty amazing. Have you seen those videos where they like blend into the hillside and you can't even see they're there, and then they come crawling and then they leap on their prey, and they're they're pretty impressive. They're tough, they can climb around, they're resourceful. They're beautiful, beautiful creatures. So that's where I landed. That's how I got to the mountain lion. Yes, you short-circuited it just a little bit. But the bison would be hard to argue with. If you didn't take that as a first draft pick, Etwin's a hard one.

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So we keep picking? Have you got another? Are we doing a snake? Do you want to pick, get two picks in a row, and it comes back to me, or does it come back to me?

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It's you. Go.

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All right. I didn't plan for this. I don't have any more, so I just walked through four different things and crazy. I would absolutely take the grizzly. I'm gonna pass on that because you talked about it, but the grizzly is so powerful. I think very American, North American. And I I watched a video um last night. There's grizzly bear chasing a mountain goat. He climbed the side of a mountain. I'm not talking like walking up a mountain. I mean, like a human would not have been able to climb that mountain. It was like a scaled rock face, and somehow that grizzly bear is climbing up after the mountain goat. And the mountain goats are just standing there. How are they standing there? So Grizzly would definitely be a pick, but I'm not gonna take that because you already talked about it. Um the beaver is tempting.

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It's a rodent.

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If you saw what it did to Griffin's neck, you wouldn't be quite so harsh on the beaver.

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I'm afraid of a beaver. I've clearly said that. I don't want to be caught in a dark alley with a beaver. But that doesn't mean that I think it's representative of a national strength.

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What about an alligator? Oh, the alligator. I mean, that's not only North America, probably gets down into Mexico and things. We get a lot of crocs down there. Yeah, not croc. I don't want to croc. No, the alligator's a good one. The American alligator. That's a good one. It's a reptile. It's a reptile. I know. That's a little rough. The other one, I'm just I'm just picking. I guess we're just talking now. The other one would be the rattlesnake. Yeah, I mean the North American. I don't know, there are different different ones, but the the timber rattler or whatever. There's, I don't know, my rattlesnakes, but that is a I mean, that thing strikes fear in me. Like alligators strike fear, rattlers strike fear.

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Yeah.

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That would be all right.

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You got a cage match. It's you and one other animal. You've got this rattlesnake, you've got an alligator, you've got a grizzly bear, or you've got a bison. Who do you want to go head to head with? Rattlesnake. So I mean, there's a chance you can grab it, right? There is a chance you can get that. The other ones, you don't have a chance.

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I do have a plan for bear attack. I've worked on this because we take trips to Alaska.

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Yeah.

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And I worked through this with my son-in-law Bobby. So plan number one was if that thing comes, I'm just running because I can outrun Bobby. Because he he's not very good.

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You weren't running the okay.

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But if we're gonna team up, it's the old high low. Or even if we're not teaming up, it just our plan was bear's coming at you, rah, you know, it's all worked up. And you sit and you stand up and you're like, rah, and you go back at the bear like this. And as he reaches up, like mirroring you, you duck down and you do like a single leg, like a wrestler. You get in, but you're not grabbing his leg, but you're getting right up against him and you're wrapping your arms around him. So then you get this big bear there, and he's like, rah, but his claws can't get into his own belly. So he's here like this, and you're underneath. And then and then you bring a knee. I'm just guessing. This is a conjecture. And then you bring a knee right up into his crotch. He's moaning, thumbs up right in the eye socket.

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A thumb to the eyes always works right in the eye socket if you can get there.

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That that's that's how you do it.

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I'm gonna be honest, I don't think you're making it that far. I think the one big rar at the beginning. Did you see have you seen the video of the the girl, the lady that's like hiking and a grizzly, she chases off a grizzly bear just by growling at it? That was impressive. See, that's that's what I'm talking about. I would have been growling like she's like it was really guttural, it was impressive.

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Actually, I didn't see that one, I saw a different one. I didn't see anybody growling. Oh, she was I saw this guy's just cussing at the bear. He was swearing at the bear. I don't think the bear liked profanity and ended up leaving. Oh, but yeah, I think the bison wins. So anyway, all right. But the flaw, the big flaw in my defense was somebody always explained it. Somebody said, What if it's a female bear? Like, that is an amazing point. That takes out the whole step number three knee to the crotch. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

And I think we'll have to develop a different approach. All right, so we'll come back to the eagle. The eagle is uh just recently, thank you, Joe Biden, the official bird of America, but it came from the Great Seal. And so then we started looking into the Great Seal of America, and it is uh it's just great. It it is, it's and and the the seal, uh, we'll put up a picture picture of it, but it's adopted in 1782. Uh actually, before we get there, there were a couple of other seals.

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Yeah, that's so Brian. I mean, again, we say it over and over, we're not experts, we're researching, we're trying to learn. So as we're researching artifacts and we had the great seal, it's like, well, that's really cool. Let's talk about it. And you find out that there were what you were getting ready to say, other great seals. Yeah. Benjamin Franklin designed one, Thomas Jefferson. And I've my first question were these guys artists? Or did they have an artist that they said draw this? Because that stuff was pretty good.

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I know. So three of them Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams, we all were part of this committee to come up with and they came up with their own version of SEALs for America that didn't make it. But I just want to touch on these because we are told how many when you hear these three, and I ask you about their faith, what would you tell me?

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But I mean, I know you know, but what is it? Yeah, what's the general population would be um they're either a deist or non-religious, right? And they're not Christian men.

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Okay. So I don't think I can do this because you know the answer, but I was gonna describe the seal and have you guess who it was. So this won't work. Well, you can try it. You can try it. One of them chose a dramatic biblical scene from Exodus, it was Moses parting the Red Sea, while Pharaoh and the chariots are overwhelmed and drowned in the water. Benjamin Franklin. Yes. That's the right answer. So Benjamin Franklin draws us, and and there's uh a pillar of fire coming down from the clouds to show divine command. And then he has the motto rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Does that sound anything like somebody who thinks that God is a clockmaker that winds it up and lets it?

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I mean, absolutely astounding. And and think about this. They are creating what? They're trying to create the grip. The seal, the representation that is used when you're signing treaties and official documents and you put the seal on to say, think of in the old days, the king would have his signet ring and say, This is the king. Because you have this is the seal that says, This is the United States, this is the US of A. This is this newfound country. This is what represents us. And we uh Benjamin Franklin goes to the Bible, goes to Exodus, goes to the story of God's providence and God's deliverance, and you think about it, he's talking about, right? America there is the promised land, the Israelites protected from uh, you know, the the Egyptians would be from the British, the Red Sea, you know, the improbable odds, all of that. It's like think about the message he's trying to convey in proposing that seal. It's crazy. It is. And and then you've got Thomas Jefferson, right? Told not not a Christian. He he might be uh and and look, I don't know if he was or not, right? But I want to tell you everything we read when you get started to the source. Right, when you get to the source, you start saying this guy had a true belief in Jesus Christ and a true faith, and maybe there might be differences doctrinally in this faith and another faith. But let's go ahead, let's talk about his seal.

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So his is actually similar to Franklin's. His has the children of Israel in the wilderness led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night. Right? And so it's the same allegory of uh divine providence, of divine.

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Providence, divine protection, divine guidance.

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And then on the flip side, so he had like a two-sided coin, he had Hengst and Horsa, which were Anglo-Saxon brothers that settled in Britain to kind of pay uh tribute and respect to the ideals of America's heritage. And then you've got John Adams, who is the most notably Christian of the three. And his was the judgment of Hercules. It's a scene where Hercules stands at the crossroads choosing between self-indulgence or the steep, rugged, uphill path of duty and honor. But so, and one of the the reason these things, I mean, these weren't rejected because they were biblical narrative or biblical perspectives or allegories. They were rejected because they were so difficult to draw that you couldn't put it on a seal and make it worthwhile. So finally, what they do is they they come together and they try and take theirs and put it together in in a committee to come up with one, and then they put together this kind of conglomerate of the three things, and it gets rejected because it's way too complicated. And then finally, in 1782, uh a man by the name, I think it's Charles Thompson, is that right? Yeah, Charles Thompson designs the seal pretty much that's used today. It was a little more cartoonish, it's kind of like the old Mickey Mouse versus Mickey Mouse today. It gets refined over time. But the the image of this eagle with a shield, um, and on the shield is the red, white, and blue. And then in one claw it's holding olive branches, and the other claw it's holding arrows. It's got 13 stars above it, and it's got the E pluribus unum on it. And so just to talk about that symbolism just a bit, I mean, one, it's a beautiful seal. Man, I love that. But it's interesting, you've got we talk about when they were first appealing to the throne in Britain, they called it the olive branch petition, right? They were seeking peace. Yes, and so the eagle still holds the olive branches for for peace, but also has the arrows, the strength and ability to fight and defend and you know, go to war if needed. But if you notice in the seal, the eagle's head is turned toward the side with the olive branches because it's symbolizing that America prefers peace if possible. I just that's great.

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Yeah, and those little things you're talking about, like the turning of the head. We saw that when we went to the uh cemetery in um Normandy. And they had a statue for the representation of like the guardians watching over the the cemetery. And I'm gonna have to come back to that because I don't remember all the details, but very clearly had like a sword. Um there was some type of olive branch or something, but the American soldier, like the hand was on the sword, and it was a presentation of this this thing is ready to go to battle, ready to defend. And then they had a statue that represented the French. And it wasn't disrespectful in any way, but like there's no sword and there's no strength, and there was it was pretty factual. But so I I'll I'll come back at some point and maybe another episode, and we'll we'll just fill that in. But as I bring that back, right again, when these things are done, statues, monuments, seals, flags, whatever they are, there is true thought and intention, and there is a message that they don't want to pass away with time. I just think it's neat. And the the olive branch and the arrows, whichever way it was, and the head pointing to the olive branch, because we prefer peace. But you know what? If not, these arrows are ready to fly.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

And then the final thing that's that's on there. I mean, you've got we talked about the 13 stars as well, but the the statement, the e pubus unum, and I know we've talked about that before, but it means out of many, one, right? The idea that we took out of these 13 colonies, but not just the 13 colonies, all the people in America, and then the different ancestry, all of this out of many, becomes one nation, the unity of one people. And just the it's just great symbolism. And um, you know, it it it's still it survived to this day from 1782, a few small changes, but overall still the same. And the eagle. Eagle survived all those years without being an official bird of America. I thought it was the official bird of America.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

It is certainly the animal that has represented America.

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But it is, thank you, Joe Biden.

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But if we had an official rodent, you know what it would be?

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Mickey Mouse.

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The beaver.

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I was just teasing, yeah. All right. Well, that was a fun episode. Um, the artifacts, again, symbols with meaning. Sometimes we see these things and we don't think anything of it. But if you look into it, pretty amazing. Um, the thought and tension behind it. And to look at some of these founders and what they, Franklin and Jefferson and what they proposed, tells you, it gives you a little insight into them. Yeah. That maybe we're missing from today.

SPEAKER_03 30:03

Guys, go to the source, learn it, um, learn what you can about this. There's just amazing information, amazing history. You learn so much about um the world we live in today, that what what's what's made available today is the foundation that was built 250 years ago. So we're only one month into the, maybe if this as this comes out, two months into the semi-quincentennial. So we got 10 more months to go of our 250 celebration. I encourage you uh research, learn, remember, and share.

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God bless. See you next week.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

This is a Fred Call of me reminding you that faith looks up, hope looks ahead, and love looks all around to see whom it can help. Good day.