{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":4503.708,"endTime":4504.625,"body":"Welcome, everyone to the"},{"startTime":4504.625,"endTime":4507.75,"body":"latest podcast edition Reimagine Mobility."},{"startTime":4508.458,"endTime":4512.791,"body":"I'm here with Thomas Glatz"},{"startTime":4508.458,"endTime":4512.791,"body":"and he works in our Advanced Simulation"},{"startTime":4512.791,"endTime":4517.416,"body":"Technologies Group, where we do"},{"startTime":4512.791,"endTime":4517.416,"body":"a lot of simulation tools, products"},{"startTime":4517.416,"endTime":4520.208,"body":"and supporting our customers"},{"startTime":4517.416,"endTime":4520.208,"body":"with simulation needs."},{"startTime":4521.208,"endTime":4523.333,"body":"Welcome, Thomas. 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