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And we'll see why."},{"startTime":1612.861,"endTime":1615.347,"body":"Thank you very much, Alan,"},{"startTime":1612.861,"endTime":1615.347,"body":"and thanks for tuning in."},{"startTime":1617.048,"endTime":1617.682,"body":"Thanks for listening."},{"startTime":1617.682,"endTime":1619.484,"body":"To Reimagine Mobility Podcast."},{"startTime":1619.484,"endTime":1622.153,"body":"If you like the episode,"},{"startTime":1619.484,"endTime":1622.153,"body":"please. Subscribe and. Tell a friend."}]}