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A final question."},{"startTime":1278.869,"endTime":1280.869,"body":"One more question."},{"startTime":1280.869,"endTime":1284.369,"body":"What's what's going to be"},{"startTime":1280.869,"endTime":1284.369,"body":"the next car you're buying, Frank?"},{"startTime":1284.453,"endTime":1287.161,"body":"Next car that I'm buying."},{"startTime":1287.161,"endTime":1290.036,"body":"Well, it's got to be a Ford"},{"startTime":1287.161,"endTime":1290.036,"body":"or it's got to be Ford."},{"startTime":1290.036,"endTime":1293.036,"body":"Come on."},{"startTime":1293.036,"endTime":1294.453,"body":"When is it?"},{"startTime":1294.453,"endTime":1295.619,"body":"Is it an electric?"},{"startTime":1295.619,"endTime":1298.828,"body":"Is it a hybrid or you're sticking"},{"startTime":1295.619,"endTime":1298.828,"body":"with one of those engines"},{"startTime":1298.828,"endTime":1301.828,"body":"that you helped develop and make so good?"},{"startTime":1301.953,"endTime":1303.161,"body":"I think I'm going to."},{"startTime":1303.161,"endTime":1308.244,"body":"Well, actually, I just picked up a vehicle"},{"startTime":1303.161,"endTime":1308.244,"body":"with one of the last engine"},{"startTime":1308.244,"endTime":1311.244,"body":"that, you know, we helped develop."},{"startTime":1311.453,"endTime":1314.661,"body":"And I love"},{"startTime":1314.744,"endTime":1319.453,"body":"I definitely"},{"startTime":1314.744,"endTime":1319.453,"body":"would look at a hybrid solution"},{"startTime":1319.494,"endTime":1321.244,"body":"for sure."},{"startTime":1321.244,"endTime":1326.203,"body":"And when I get comfortable with the I,"},{"startTime":1326.203,"endTime":1329.244,"body":"you know, that you know,"},{"startTime":1326.203,"endTime":1329.244,"body":"with some of the range exciting and stuff,"},{"startTime":1329.244,"endTime":1333.244,"body":"I have no issues"},{"startTime":1329.244,"endTime":1333.244,"body":"moving to that application."},{"startTime":1333.328,"endTime":1334.036,"body":"Okay."},{"startTime":1334.036,"endTime":1337.036,"body":"So like I said, we got to clean up"},{"startTime":1337.286,"endTime":1340.077,"body":"the system, the transportation system."},{"startTime":1340.077,"endTime":1341.702,"body":"I mean, that's our goal."},{"startTime":1341.702,"endTime":1345.744,"body":"But really, I, I honestly Stephan,"},{"startTime":1341.702,"endTime":1345.744,"body":"I haven't given it much thought"},{"startTime":1345.744,"endTime":1349.202,"body":"because just picked up the last."},{"startTime":1349.286,"endTime":1350.036,"body":"That's all good."},{"startTime":1350.036,"endTime":1351.369,"body":"That's perfect."},{"startTime":1351.369,"endTime":1352.786,"body":"Thank you so much, Frank."},{"startTime":1352.786,"endTime":1355.161,"body":"Always great talking to you"},{"startTime":1352.786,"endTime":1355.161,"body":"and great insight."},{"startTime":1355.161,"endTime":1358.286,"body":"And again, the value of that"},{"startTime":1355.161,"endTime":1358.286,"body":"which you brought here"},{"startTime":1358.286,"endTime":1362.202,"body":"and that our viewers will definitely see"},{"startTime":1358.286,"endTime":1362.202,"body":"with your history and experience."},{"startTime":1362.286,"endTime":1365.036,"body":"Again, manufacturing,"},{"startTime":1362.286,"endTime":1365.036,"body":"engineering and strategy going"},{"startTime":1365.036,"endTime":1368.536,"body":"from the end to the to the beginning"},{"startTime":1365.036,"endTime":1368.536,"body":"sort of thing, invaluable."},{"startTime":1368.536,"endTime":1372.452,"body":"And hopefully a lot of young engineers"},{"startTime":1368.536,"endTime":1372.452,"body":"and aspiring engineers listening here."},{"startTime":1372.536,"endTime":1376.119,"body":"Take a note of that"},{"startTime":1372.536,"endTime":1376.119,"body":"and realize the importance of experience"},{"startTime":1376.202,"endTime":1377.994,"body":"and experience in different fields."},{"startTime":1377.994,"endTime":1380.411,"body":"I think that's that's very critical."},{"startTime":1377.994,"endTime":1380.411,"body":"Thank you, Frank."},{"startTime":1380.411,"endTime":1381.536,"body":"Thank you very much."},{"startTime":1381.536,"endTime":1382.869,"body":"Thanks for the opportunity."},{"startTime":1382.869,"endTime":1385.411,"body":"I hope to see you soon."},{"startTime":1385.411,"endTime":1387.202,"body":"Thank you, Frank."},{"startTime":1387.202,"endTime":1387.827,"body":"Thanks for listening."},{"startTime":1387.827,"endTime":1389.619,"body":"To reimagine Mobility Podcast."},{"startTime":1389.619,"endTime":1392.244,"body":"If you like this episode,"},{"startTime":1389.619,"endTime":1392.244,"body":"please subscribe and tell a friend."}]}