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That's a hard decision."},{"startTime":1613.708,"endTime":1615.875,"body":"That's not a decision."},{"startTime":1615.875,"endTime":1618.416,"body":"Yeah, and very interesting."},{"startTime":1618.416,"endTime":1620.75,"body":"Right. And final question to wrap it up,"},{"startTime":1621.958,"endTime":1623.375,"body":"nothing to do with your industry."},{"startTime":1623.375,"endTime":1627.0,"body":"But again, with you, as we talk mobility"},{"startTime":1623.375,"endTime":1627.0,"body":"and as we reimagine mobility,"},{"startTime":1627.0,"endTime":1631.125,"body":"even for you, what is going to be"},{"startTime":1627.0,"endTime":1631.125,"body":"the next car you're going to buy and why?"},{"startTime":1632.791,"endTime":1634.666,"body":"Okay,"},{"startTime":1632.791,"endTime":1634.666,"body":"so I'm biased. I'm in Silicon Valley."},{"startTime":1634.666,"endTime":1636.666,"body":"So my current one is Tesla."},{"startTime":1636.666,"endTime":1639.041,"body":"So I think my next one"},{"startTime":1636.666,"endTime":1639.041,"body":"is probably going to be Cybertruck."},{"startTime":1639.041,"endTime":1641.0,"body":"They have a two year"},{"startTime":1639.041,"endTime":1641.0,"body":"wait time, which is good."},{"startTime":1641.0,"endTime":1644.333,"body":"I told my wife she's like I wish"},{"startTime":1641.0,"endTime":1644.333,"body":"there was time five year."},{"startTime":1644.5,"endTime":1647.083,"body":"I don't want you to buy any more. Got."},{"startTime":1647.083,"endTime":1650.708,"body":"But I am very the Tesla"},{"startTime":1647.083,"endTime":1650.708,"body":"I've been driving since 2016."},{"startTime":1651.083,"endTime":1654.5,"body":"I love it so probably Cybertruck"},{"startTime":1651.083,"endTime":1654.5,"body":"if she allows me."},{"startTime":1655.041,"endTime":1656.583,"body":"If she allows you all right."},{"startTime":1655.041,"endTime":1656.583,"body":"While you are."},{"startTime":1656.583,"endTime":1657.875,"body":"Everybody has their boss."},{"startTime":1657.875,"endTime":1660.833,"body":"Yeah, we already have it,"},{"startTime":1657.875,"endTime":1660.833,"body":"but I know how you feel."},{"startTime":1660.833,"endTime":1663.083,"body":"I'm in the same boat. Very good."},{"startTime":1663.083,"endTime":1666.625,"body":"Thank you so much for your time"},{"startTime":1663.083,"endTime":1666.625,"body":"and really shining a light,"},{"startTime":1666.666,"endTime":1670.666,"body":"I think on a on a an a"},{"startTime":1666.666,"endTime":1670.666,"body":"on a sector of the autonomous space,"},{"startTime":1671.166,"endTime":1673.166,"body":"that very few people think about."},{"startTime":1673.166,"endTime":1675.875,"body":"But as you mentioned, amazing."},{"startTime":1675.875,"endTime":1679.958,"body":"Maybe to those same people that don't"},{"startTime":1675.875,"endTime":1679.958,"body":"think about it is well, that's the space"},{"startTime":1680.0,"endTime":1683.833,"body":"autonomous systems have been used"},{"startTime":1680.0,"endTime":1683.833,"body":"probably for the longest,"},{"startTime":1683.833,"endTime":1685.666,"body":"very successfully, as you pointed out."},{"startTime":1685.666,"endTime":1688.0,"body":"So thank you so much for your inside here."},{"startTime":1688.0,"endTime":1689.375,"body":"And, thank you for contributing."}]}