Culturally Inappropriate with A.C. Lee
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Culturally Inappropriate with A.C. Lee is where sharp wit meets grown-man perspective. A mature rebrand of Big Baby’s Podcast, this show dives headfirst into the intersections of sports, politics, hip-hop, and culture—without watering down the truth.
From the barbershop to the boardroom, A.C. Lee blends humor, intellect, and raw honesty to tackle the conversations others avoid. Each episode brings bold takes, cultural critique, and unapologetic storytelling shaped by Southern roots, Cartersville pride, and Atlanta energy.
If you’re tired of safe conversations and cookie-cutter commentary, you’ve found your spot. This isn’t about being politically correct—it’s about being culturally inappropriate.
Culturally Inappropriate with A.C. Lee
Washed and Winning: Big Penix Energy
Ever wonder why certain quarterbacks get hyped before they've proven anything? In this episode, we pull back the curtain on how media narratives shape college football rankings, revealing how Texas and Arch Manning benefited from name recognition despite limited experience. You'll discover the shocking truth about Vegas odds—they're not actually who bookmakers think will win, but who they can't afford to have win at proper odds due to betting volume.
The conversation takes a hilarious turn when "Skeeter from Opelika" calls in with an epic meltdown over Alabama's loss to Florida State, perfectly capturing the unrealistic expectations that follow coaching legends. His raw, unfiltered rant ("We don't want DeBoer turning us into DeWhore!") exemplifies the passion and sometimes irrational demands of college football fandom.
We draw fascinating parallels between Atlanta's dominant rap scene and SEC football, both powerhouses in their respective worlds for the past two decades. Our comprehensive NFC preview breaks down each division with bold predictions, including why we believe Michael Penix Jr. could be this year's dark horse MVP candidate and how the Falcons are positioned to surprise the league.
Whether you're a casual fan or a serious sports bettor, this episode provides insider perspectives on how narratives are constructed, how betting lines are really set, and which teams are poised to exceed expectations this season. Listen now to arm yourself with knowledge that goes beyond the typical sports media talking points.
What current sports narrative do you think is more hype than substance? Share your thoughts in the comments!
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Speaker 2:Here it goes, hey, pete, how you doing.
Speaker 3:We are doing good. How is the Imperial AC Lee doing today?
Speaker 1:You know I don't think I'm Imperial, but I'm not too bad. I'm, you know, just living life doing. Was it hood rat things with my hood rat friends? Know what they say.
Speaker 3:I've heard it before. I didn't realize that you were in the hood and you were doing hood rat things.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm definitely not. I'm hanging out with LeBron.
Speaker 3:Uh-huh, what do we have there? What is that?
Speaker 1:Is it a cozy? Yeah, lebron James cozy? Yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh cozy, Excuse me. Yeah, not a cozy but a Cousy yeah.
Speaker 1:You know we're big fans of LeBron James. Over here we support him.
Speaker 3:Where's the Lobos tequila, then asshole.
Speaker 1:You know, due to budget constraints, we're not drinking Lobos right now.
Speaker 3:Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1:Well, I go $50 for a fifth, when you can go $44 and handle.
Speaker 3:Look, I'm with you, there's. You know, one day we're going to have a show it just won't be today where we break down even the schematics of liquor buying. But yeah, so hood rat fans.
Speaker 1:Let me just throw it out there real quick. A lot of you Spend way too much on liquor and it's not aligned with your palates. You're buying Overpriced, not good tequila.
Speaker 3:Yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 1:Like You're drinking a Neho. Yeah, pretty much, pretty much, pretty much, you're drinking a Neho or like a Super Neho or Double Neho, whatever right. When you have a what's the rocks? Tequila, a Terramana you have a Terramana Reposado Palate. You're just spending too much money and you're going to get just as drunk and your taste buds don't even need your liquor to taste as good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think a lot of this is for show and tell. That's why a lot of people do a lot of different things. They do things to be seen and heard and noticed and ultimately, at some point, praised. That's the ultimate goal. I think that a lot of people take from it, and it could be something as simple as buying liquor, but you know, if a chick gets and I mean not just make it exclusive to chicks- no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Make it exclusive to chicks, you misogynist pig.
Speaker 3:I'm not misogynist at all, but if a chick gets a new rack, right Okay, she's going to post it on Instagram, right Like, she's going to always be wearing bikinis. There's always going to be this show-off type thing. Now, even if they're natural, even if they're not purchased, it still happens to this day. That's why Instagram is such a marketing machine and it's you know essentially what. What will we call Instagram?
Speaker 1:I would call it a model agency at this point. That's what you think it is. I do. I mean, I don't think we're on Instagram modeling. Follow us on Instagram. Watch the winning pod. You know we post. That't think we're on Instagram modeling. Follow us on Instagram. Washington Winning Pod.
Speaker 3:That's because we're consumers.
Speaker 1:Washington Winning. We're not consumers Washington.
Speaker 3:Winning's not a consumer. This is a product but, like in general personal pages, we would be considered the consumer.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, consider the consumer. Oh yeah, on my personal page it's uh sports, uh a little bit of uh black entertainment, media gossip and smut.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, my friends and people I know like stuff I actually like right, yeah it, it, it's, it's, it's something that that markets this type of stuff to us. But my point and even saying is just in general is most people are going to show that stuff off.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean Texas. They showed off their Heisman favorite quarterback on Saturday. What'd you think about that one?
Speaker 3:The same way that Vegas thought about it. He dropped down to nice, which maybe now the value is there to hop in, because he should have a big game against San Jose, which we'll get to the college picks later. But yeah, I didn't like what I saw ultimately, of course, because we did have them winning and they did not. That falls under the wash category. But yeah, I think that Texas could have played a lot better. It's the first game of the year. It's a tough spot. In reality, you had to go against the defending national champs on the road at noon, yeah, so I don't think I didn't take too much away from it from the standpoint of Texas is done.
Speaker 3:I don't think that Texas is done. I don't think that Arch Manning's done, but what I do think is that Sark's got some work to do and that's about as close to a non-SEC opponent that you're going to get to an SEC opponent. So it's good practicing to get it out the way. They get their slappy this week and, yeah, we'll see what they do. But all in all, I came away unimpressed by Texas offensively, I think. Defensively they were great. Obviously they held on to 14 points. His play calling in the red zone was atrocious. I think that this was more of an indictment on Sark than it was Arch.
Speaker 1:So with Arch, I think Arch was given too much praise by the media. I think that in their game of like farming and and and engagement farming, they talk about arch Manning because they know that's going to do numbers, but nothing about what arch has shown us says he should be a Heisman favorite and not to say that he's not capable, not to say that he's not ready to to to to lead texts to a 10-win season, the playoffs big bowl game and possibly go get drafted early. He may be capable of doing that, but nothing about what he's shown us says that Because we could say, hey, he couldn't beat Quinn Ewers out and Quinn Ewers was like a fifth round pick, six round pick, you know late, right, you know. So if he's the top guy, he should have been able to beat out Quinn. So I'm saying that.
Speaker 1:I say that Arch was expected to do too much by the people who don't know enough, and then that message was projected out to the people who are listening to learn, which is why you know we have this podcast, washington Winning. You should listen to us because we try to actually level set and we're not out here, we're not engagement farming telling you what we really think and what we believe, and we try to disclose level set and we're not out here, we're not engagement farming, telling you what we really think and what we believe. And we try to disclose our biases too.
Speaker 3:Right and I think a lot of people would maybe look at this and say, well, these guys have an SEC bias because they're based in the South. They grew up around SEC football. Sec football has been about as dominant as Atlanta Rap over the last 25, 20 years.
Speaker 1:That's great foreshadowing, Pete.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, you know that's top notch, we'll get to that, but I'm sitting here now. I had to pull it up. You know, texas ran the ball pretty well. They ran the ball more efficiently than Ohio State. It felt like Ohio State maybe had gotten the opportunistic runs when they needed to. So if it was a third and three they somehow would pick it up. But all in all the run game was held in check. They were under 90 yards. Sane only threw for 126 yards. Jeremiah Smith had 43 yards receiving. They held these guys in check, but it came down to what did they do in the red zone? And in the red zone they were one for three Over two. You know, oh, yeah, yeah, what if you count the red, like the 20? But over two, yeah, I do, yeah, and so I think that overall, yeah, over two in the goal line, yeah, and so I think that overall, they were inefficient in that red zone and that's what ended up costing them the game.
Speaker 1:Pete, can we tell the truth about this? Go ahead. Sark and Arch are media darlings, so they were blown up. That's why we made Texas number one with a brand new quarterback, despite Ohio State defending national championships, having a track record under Ryan Day of being a top tier college football team, a team that makes the playoff on a regular basis the 14 playoff, not the 12 team playoff. Right, there's no reason why ohio state shouldn't have been number one if you make texas number one because of the new quarterback.
Speaker 1:Now, if clemson's your number one because we know who kate k club nick is and we believe what dabble's doing there different conversation but we didn't do that. But we love arch manning because he's a manning and, for one, espn's in business with the Manning family. So you better talk nicely. And we know that ESPN will sell themselves for money, a la the NFL now owning 10% of ESPN. We know who you are, right, right, we know, and, hey, we'll still work for you, but we just know who you are. Hey, hey, hey, hey, camera. No, no, we didn't tell you to turn that way, didn't tell you to turn that way. Camera, hold on.
Speaker 3:But then you have robot cameras where it just moves around. Yes, what we got.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then we got Arch here.
Speaker 1:You know Arch, know arch, a guy again who's a media darling yeah so we bump him up and then vegas puts him as the favorite for the heisman.
Speaker 1:Hey, people, when you look at the favorite for any major award in sports, that's not actually who vegas thinks is gonna win, it's who vegas can't afford to win at their actual odds. That's why the Lakers and the Cowboys have high odds every year when they're the whisper that they can be decent, because the sportsbooks can't afford to price them at their proper odds because of how many fans they have and how much money gets put on those players. There's a reason why vegas gets bigger in a in a recession you know what I mean. Like you gotta be you, and I know this because we study vegas you as a gambler, me as a broadcaster. Right, but you people will go on the worldwide leader and other top-tier sports networks and talk about well, this guy's the favorite and he's not playing up to well from a gambling perspective. He's not really the favorite. Because the favorite? Because the book is covering their ass first. They're absolutely covering their ass first.
Speaker 3:They're absolutely covering their ass first because, again, like you said, ultimately these odds and stuff come about based on action, Exactly.
Speaker 1:Hey, real quick, real quick. Parley Pete. And that's why, again when he said, these lines become of action. If an analyst is regularly Again what he said these lines come become of action. If an analyst is regularly referencing Vegas as to why they are picking a team to do something, you need to understand that analysis is flawed. That is flawed analysis. Vegas could be a part of what you build into your predictions, but you should just not pick a team, especially when we're talking about over-unders, long-term four-season championship-type stuff, even MVP-type stuff, heisman-type stuff. You can't always follow Vegas to validate that player's talent or that team's talent, because it is also a response to the money placed on that team or that player. So again, this is inside and out, because I don't work for any of these networks, I'm just trying to by shitting on them on them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think that that's a fair way to get people to understand that this is not just because you hear this why Texas is one. Now look, texas is one because you got the coaches poll. Then you have the writers who look at it on paper and they say to themselves well, ohio State lost their quarterback, ohio State lost their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3:They lost another top receiver, a first-round receiver. They lost some alignment. They lost their two running backs. Texas didn't lose as much as them. Texas did lose both of their wide receivers. But Arch Manning is a Manning Like. These are the things that play into that stuff. And look, I mean I'm not going to say that they got me, but they did kind of get me. They got me but they did kind of get me. They got me caught up in the hype of who Arch Manning is and me thinking the fact that he had more playing experience than Julian Sand and is a class ahead of him, that he should be more prepared for the situation, which I'm not going to say that he wasn't, but that first half was less than stellar.
Speaker 1:And again, sark versus Ryan day might have been the most underrated matchup of the day, or maybe maybe sark versus matt patricia, but that's, that's the matchup and that's the wrench into it where, yes, the quarterbacks are pretty much unknowns, but maddie p, that's a total unknown. So you can can't even watch old Ohio State defense to get an understanding of what the defense is going to do brand-new coordinator and you can't really watch Ohio State offense as a predictor of what they're going to do, because brand-new quarterback.
Speaker 3:Well, isn't it funny though because this is where it kind of came down for me and why we had this conversation on Saturday Again, that pedigree, right, peyton Manning and Eli Manning have gone against Matt Patricia's defense. They both have yes, so certainly they know his tendencies. Whether, obviously, with college it's probably a little different, it's apples and oranges, but they're still fruits. Obviously, with college it's probably a little different, it's apples and oranges, but they're still fruits. He still had an understanding of what he likes to do, whether that's, oh, he's a pressure guy like Flores or he loves to do man and he likes to have this safety that's in a special safety, where he kind of reads the defense and he's going to blitz, depending on what you show him.
Speaker 3:There's these little nuances that I felt, like Arch and I'm not saying his uncles do this, because then it would turn into basketball, aau, basketball. Now we're listening to people's parents and family members as opposed to the coaching. So I asked the coach for a reason. I'm sure that Cooper and them are hands off on it, but when they do get a chance, I know that they talk to them. There's no way that they don't.
Speaker 3:It would be a disarmament to him if they didn't.
Speaker 1:But you know what, as we kind of wrap this Arch piece up, arch hasn't played enough football to know how he responds to the changes, even if he knows the changes are coming. And I say that to say Quick, vulnerable. Second, I didn't know how transitioning my life with my estranged wife From California Will play in South Georgia until I actually lived it out. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You can know that certain behaviors will exist. So, again for Arch he can know that Matty P is going to do this, but he doesn't know how he's going to respond to what Matty P has the to do this, but he doesn't know how he's going to respond to what Matty P has the defense do and if that execution actually works. Because, think about it, arch could have known what was coming. He could have fixed the blocking, oh, but they still got through. We don't know how Arch responds to that until he gets put in that situation. So again, this goes into why we didn't believe in anthony richardson and why I think arch is going to come back for a fourth year. Is it's about getting the reps and seeing these different looks and being able to respond to these different looks to build your floor before you become an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's growing pains in general, like you said. I mean, he started in two games and played in a handful outside of the two that he did start last season. And you know again, he was going against UTSA and Rice. Like you know, those are the teams that he played. So I think, all in all, the jury is still going to be out on them in Texas. I don't think that they have anything to worry about until they get deep into SEC play. Certainly that Alabama game does not look very daunting at all. I think everybody's off on Alabama, which I guess we could just transition in general there. You go.
Speaker 3:What we saw this Saturday. I think that we were on the phone and we talked about it. I said who's going to be the team that gets upset, that's ranked playing an unranked team? And we both, basically at the same time, were like Alabama, yeah, and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2:And shout out to Castellanos.
Speaker 3:though Castellanos looked like Kyler Murray out there. I thought that when he played at BC seriously, I always kind of was like man. He kind of reminds me of Kyler Murray a little bit.
Speaker 1:Because he's a fast midget.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he had better talent around him at Florida State Even a bad Florida State team from last year, their return guys, plus whoever they recruited, plus the portal. He was going to look better than he ever looked at Boston College and he made noise at Boston College Like Boston College was ranked when he was the quarterback.
Speaker 1:So, like you know, he lost his job at BC too, though yeah, I know.
Speaker 3:They had a freshman. Look, when you're in that betting cycle I get to know about everything and I watched Boston College and the guy that they did take over him helped Me and Justice both thought man, this guy looks like a stud. Because he did, he looked like he had an arm. Bill o'brien, you know he likes to run things a certain way too. He's another one of those type of guys that likes to run things a certain way, and I think that castles wasn't a good fit for what bill o'brien likes to do, so that's a part of why I think he moved on and, just in general, he went to Greener Pastures. Anyways, I'd much rather be the quarterback of Florida State than I would Boston College. So like it worked out for everybody in that situation. But, lee, why are you calling?
Speaker 1:me. Hey, my name's Skeeter. I'm calling in Mr Feinbaum. Is this the Feinbaum line? Is this Paul? Try to call Paul. P-a-w-l. Try to call Paul. Is this Paul?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're here on the Paul Feinbaum show. What was your name? Again, caller, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:My name's Skeeter.
Speaker 3:Skeeter, where are you calling in from?
Speaker 1:Opelika.
Speaker 3:Opelika, Alabama. Tell me, Skeeter, what did you think of what you saw on Saturday?
Speaker 1:You know, here in the great state of Alabama you know we're conservative here, state of Alabama, you know we're conservative here and there are certain acts that women claim are their rights. And again, skeeter, woman, do what you do. There are certain things that women can do with their bodies, her body, her choice that we don't like here in Alabama.
Speaker 3:Women can do with their bodies, her body, her choice, that we don't like here in Alabama. Well, Skeeter, I'm not trying to cut you on your time. I've got a lot of callers here. What does?
Speaker 1:this have to do with Alabama football. I set up on Saturday afternoon at 3 o'clock, 3.30 pm and I had to watch something that totally goes against my beliefs be put in front of me on national television and I can't get down with that. Let me tell you something here, paul, that Kalen DeBoer I guess he thought he was the guy and he could coach. Because of what he did with Michael Penix and all of that we don't know what the hell Michael Penix is going to be in the NFL. But I tell you what here, mr Paul Feinbaum, this is not acceptable at Alabama football. It's one thing for us to get beat Now we don't ever get beat in week one.
Speaker 1:You know this takes us back to the Shula years that we forget about. That don't really exist because of the Alabama fans. We only acknowledge the Bear Bryant years and Saban years. That's what we're talking about, our legacy. But no, we don't get our ass kicked by a team coach, by Mike Norville, not in Tuscaloosa, unacceptable, and I think he should be fired and I think that the boosters should pay that $70 million.
Speaker 1:I don't have season see Texas to Alabama, I only watch them on TV. But I think the boosters should pay them to leave and we get us a guy, a guy like Lane Kiffin, a guy like Sark, a guy who knows the SEC. You know, maybe go try to poach Kirby from Georgia. We go get a guy who knows what we're doing. Maybe we bring Jeremy Pruitt back, because Pruitt knows how to run a program. He knows how to run a program the right way. Now that we got NIL here, pruitt can do all that bullshit he used to do, and he can do it on the front end. You know what I mean. So I think that's how we should run our program.
Speaker 3:Paul Well Skeeter, we do appreciate the call, as always. Look, I was just as shocked as you. Kalen DeBoer seems like somebody that is used to coaching prep school because he was not prepared for that game, and I think that when I look at somebody like Kalen DeBoer now, I put my name on the line. I've got Ric Flair tweeting me telling me that I don't know anything.
Speaker 3:And you know little does Ric know. I know that he's got CTE from all those years of taking bumps from Hulk Hogan. May he rest in peace. But at the end of the day, skeeter, the Alabama problem will not be solved for another few years and there's going to be growing lumps that come from it Paul, can we? Bring Saban back? I don't know, Skeeter you'd have to ask Nick. Only him and the boosters know what would happen.
Speaker 1:Miss Terry, bring Nick back to Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 3:Is this you out here trying to make your plea?
Speaker 1:This is Alabama football. We don't want Dee Boer turning us into Dee Whore. We don't get fucked, we do the fucking in Alabama football.
Speaker 3:Well, skeeter, we do appreciate the call. We don't typically allow cursing on the line, but we've allowed it there and your point is, it's heard. We understand it, you know. Look, I was down in Atlanta for the SEC media day and one of the things that I kept hearing from a lot of people that I just didn't want to believe was that these guys are going into hotel rooms.
Speaker 3:They're bringing their girlfriends they're, they're, they're, they're drinking beers, they're, they're staying out past curfew. It seems like it's more of a discipline problem than it is a talent problem. You know, ryan Williams, he, he, he dropped a lot of passes in that game, but Ryan Williams did not cost him that game. You know, you could blame this on Ty Simpson. You could blame this on anyone. This falls solely on the czar, that is the head coach of Alabama, and that is Caleb DeBoer. Hey.
Speaker 1:Paul Paul you don't have to go no further. You can get the rest of your callers, skeeter, signing off here. You understand the problem. And the problem is the head of the snake, and it's that D-whore, d-boar, skeeter out.
Speaker 3:Well, skeeter, we do appreciate the call and we look forward to hopefully having you on the show moving forward. But yeah, just as a final thought in general, alabama did not show up. Hopefully they'll show out next game, but it won't really matter until we get to see them against some more real competition.
Speaker 1:Hey, man Parley, pete, now that we're out of our character roles, doug, what the hell is Alabama doing? They were playing, it's one. The hell is Alabama doing? It's one thing to lose, right, it's one thing to lose. I think you and I were on the fence about Florida State to where we could say they may be trash but they may be really good and they just had a bad year. Then spirits got down and it just didn't work out. But Norvell, he hasn't been great, but he's put together some really good teams. So they're under-ranked but they could be the 14th best team in the country right now. We just don't know. We've got to see it.
Speaker 3:Well look, I don't think that got to see it. Well. Look, I don't think that a lot of florida state boosters fans, uh, anyone honestly expected them to win the game, but it wasn't unheard of. If they did, and it's because the talent pool is almost the same. So it's not like like, yes, alabama should have superior talent to Florida State Even now, like, let's scrap Jimbo, let's scrap Saban. Alabama should just have better talent than Florida State. They should.
Speaker 3:No, they should Today. They should, Coach for coach, program for program. Today they should have been the more talented team that won it. That's why they were a two-touchdown favorite. Like they should be more talented.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they should be more talented simply because Florida has more talent than Alabama and Florida State has a rich enough history, although they do have to share talent with Miami and University of Florida. They have enough talent in that state to where, even if they don't have the same momentum as Alabama when Alabama's riding high.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And again, the way Jimbo was able to build that team was Florida State had enough off of being Florida State and then they get enough people who want to go to Florida State that I think in any given year florida state can be a top five team in the country, just off of location and legacy yeah, they've proven that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm with you 100 percent that, like certain programs, I can't ever say they they be more talented when you're talking about your Florida States, even your Floridas, your Georgias, your Miamis, your Ohio States, your Michigans, your LSUs, you know, I know I said a lot of SEC teams, because these are a lot of teams that have so much talent that that team might be 7-5 and that same team might be 11 and 5, but that same team might be 11 and 1 too, you know, because they just have so much talent, nfl talent that performs high at the NFL level. You know we're talking about NFL factories here. We're not talking about you know, we're not talking about shit Ole Miss, ole Miss with Lane, yes, ole Miss with Lane. Yes, ole Miss is not an NFL team.
Speaker 3:They're a second-tier team, a third tier, I'd say second. Now, the reason I say second is because of Lane. Like the program itself is third, but I'm saying them as a right now, like would you be surprised if Ole Miss made the playoffs this year? I wouldn't, so that's why they're second tier. To me, first tier is nothing but title contenders, and there's only seven of those.
Speaker 1:I think Georgia's second is a second tier program.
Speaker 3:So, okay, you just don't believe that Georgia's a blue blood now, and that's why USC is a blue blood. But USC is a. To me they're a third-tier program, maybe second. Okay, they're friends second, that's fair.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying in my brain, if I put Georgia as a second-tier team, ole Miss is a tier below Georgia. So I just want for our conversation we got a level set. So if you're going to make Georgia top tier, georgia and Ole Miss are not on the same tier. Can we agree to that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what, but I wouldn't put Georgia in my second tier.
Speaker 1:So you put Georgia in your first tier. So okay, I just wanted to make that clear for the audience.
Speaker 3:Florida State's a second tier program Today. Like I'm talking today, we're not talking historically. Today they're a second-tier program. Like Oregon is a first-tier program today, but historically they're a second or third.
Speaker 2:Historically today they are because they're a playoff contender.
Speaker 3:They're a national championship contender. We've got to get out of college football in five minutes. No, we are.
Speaker 1:We are Oregon. Get out of college football in five minutes.
Speaker 3:No, we aren't.
Speaker 1:Oregon is not. Oregon is not. Oregon is not first tier, they're second tier. They ain't won shit ever, even when they're good. We don't believe that they'll win because they're Oregon. They're like old Georgia, old Clemson.
Speaker 3:You can have a first tier.
Speaker 1:You can have a first tier roster, a first tier jersey selection, a first tier coaching staff and you will be a second tier team until you win a championship as Oregon, because they have not won one yet, they can't be first tier.
Speaker 3:But I agree with you. I'm just saying, as of today they are. They've been title contenders for three years now, and obviously even in the chip kelly era, they did go to a national championship second year. No, I I agree if we're doing the totality thing, but today they're a first tier because they have a chance to win a national championship. That's all I'm saying. They were the number one team in the country and went under.
Speaker 3:They lost, they lost, but I'm saying they were still the number one team in the country last year and went undefeated in the regular season.
Speaker 1:So like I don't, want to Go ahead If your son said hey Dad, your son's a four-star right, which means he has his pick of the litter.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:He says, Dad, I want to go to the NFL and win a national championship. You're not discussing Oregon.
Speaker 3:No, I would.
Speaker 1:At the end You're like, oh yeah, you get some flash to the Oregon, so it may be worth your time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would tell him to take the visit. No doubt, no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about your talk, like he's taking his visits and he says his priorities are NFL is one Win, a national championship is 1A, and I want to pair these two together. Oregon's not in your top tier of colleges, bro. It's not Because you don't.
Speaker 3:How many teams can be in a tier? Only five.
Speaker 1:I don't know the number, but I that there is a a difference in thought, like if he tells you he's thinking about clemson, georgia, ohio state and oregon, oregon's number four would be or, or.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I would tell him to go to oregon before clemson. But that's just my opinion. Um, not because I don't think, not because I think oregon's a better program than Clemson, but that's just my opinion. Not because I think Oregon's a better program than Clemson, but because I think the opportunities to go to Oregon would be better. But no, I would absolutely tell them Georgia or Ohio State, if you've got offers from Georgia or Ohio State. That's who it's down to. We're not discussing Oregon from that perspective.
Speaker 1:But I'm saying based on his position, because you think about his position, the coaches, what they have set up, what their track record is right, he says I want to go to the NFL and win a national championship Once. He lets you know and you say, hey, what about this school? Right, better NIL, good NFL pipeline. You know one of them, schools like like Herm Edwards at Arizona State right, you know you can go play for Herm Edwards at Arizona State. You're not going to have good college success, but if you're a pro prospect you're going to get drafted members at Arizona State. You're not going to have good college success, but if you're a pro prospect you're going to get drafted high because he's the NFL guy, right.
Speaker 3:Good conversation and good you know overall, just setting you up for the NFL. I mean it's similar to Colin going to Alabama to play for Avery.
Speaker 1:Johnson yeah but again like, hey, like the coaches who called me to ask about you, these are my friends, so like they're going to value my recommendation way differently than when they call another program, because we silent and I'm actually going to tell them the truth and I ain't got to worry about them going on record with this shit.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, or even put it out off the record so like, but you would not put Oregon in that conversation. If you know that winning a national championship was important to your son, I'm not going to believe that you would put Oregon over Clemson.
Speaker 3:I just can't believe it.
Speaker 3:As it stands today, I would Look. I mean, I know that Clemson played LSU, but like they're 0-1 and Oregon's 1-0. Oregon went undefeated last year and was the number one seed. And then fucking Phil Knight just sat up and said how much money he's donated. No I would definitely tell him to talk to Oregon. That endowment, that amount of money, they're not eventually, Oregon's put it this way. I'll go on the record as saying and we can look back at this within the next three years, Dan Lang will win a national championship at Oregon.
Speaker 1:They're just going to be able to do it.
Speaker 3:There's too much working to their advantage. Outside of the idea that they're in Oregon and Oregon, I've never even been to the state of Oregon, one of the few places I literally have. I've never been to Portland even, but Eugene, I know, I know, is an hour and 30 minutes away. Like you're not going to be able to beat the idea that Nike, like this, is a direct Nike thing, like, just like going to UNC is a direct North Carolina thing, which, really, speaking of that, let's move on to that real quick because we've got to wrap up college. Just real quick thoughts. Bill Belichick coaching debut. We got to all see it on Labor Day. They came out firing 7-0. Look, they showed Michael Jordan, who was up there in that suite with Mike Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 1:Somebody else, though too notable I don't remember, I don't know it was some big wigs in there.
Speaker 3:They were all North Carolina alum.
Speaker 1:You know, Skeeter was bothered about seeing certain things on TV that he doesn't believe should happen yeah. If I'm a UNC fan me and Skeeter we're feeling the same thing at the end of week one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, look again, I think it's too early to judge Absolutely, but we were all so it's weird I didn't put it in the picks but like I took TCU to cover that spread and nobody should be surprised that they lost that game. Now I'm a little surprised they got blown out the way they did, honestly.
Speaker 1:Like I am surprised that they got beat like that. Hey, let me tell you something. I was listening to Gil's new football show and they were talking about it yesterday and you know Skip has not many good words for Bill Belichick at all.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Naturally, and Akeem Tlaib was like you know. He played for the Patriots. He was like he said. We held Brady to 13. Now Bill took my second chip away from me. We held Brady to 13. I was supposed to have another ring, but Belichick held McVay in golf to three In the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Like we held hey with a top-tier, Todd Gurley.
Speaker 1:But think about Aqib Tlaib, a guy who played in New England, who knows who Bill Belichick is. Although he didn't win a Super Bowl there, he was great. There he goes to Denver, wins a Super Bowl and that great defense that carried Peyton Manning, and then to go to the Super Bowl against Tom Brady, a teammate and a foe. You hold Tom to 13. When you had Peyton and that was bad Peyton- that's as bad as Peyton Manning could be.
Speaker 3:Not even rookie year, peyton, was that bad Right, but that Denver Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1:if you hold Tom to 13, obviously he'll get you across the finish line.
Speaker 3:They scored that. Tom Brady had no passing touchdowns in that game.
Speaker 1:Bro, so Judge, I know.
Speaker 3:Mr.
Speaker 1:Super Bowl, not Wes Welkert. Julia Edelman was Super Bowl MVP, wasn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cabrera didn't do nothing. So imagine being a key to lead and hearing somebody tell you that Bill Belichick can't coach, when you're like, no, no, no. I played for him and I went against him in the Super Bowl and we did exactly what we wanted to do defensively and we lost.
Speaker 3:And we had our way.
Speaker 1:And it was because of his defense. So I say that to say that Bill needs time to build his program. But if Bill can get the right kids in who buy into what Bill is preaching and I will say that what Bill is preaching is very hard to get people to buy into, especially in today's society If they can get the people to buy into it, they're going to be coached. Well, coaching's not the problem. Maybe relating to the people he's coaching is the problem. But the actual X's and O's, I can't believe that's the problem.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nobody should have thought that Gio Lopez was going to go in there and light shit up. But to close this out just real quick, because we've got to get to Ratlanta At the end of the day. Bill's not going to be there to do that. That's why his contract's set up the way that it is. There's going to be a title-ready team that will be signing him this offseason to coach in the NFL. I highly doubt that he'll be back there.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to argue with you about it, even if I don't agree with you. I'm not confident either way. Yeah, but let's talk about Atlanta. I mean, I don't know how long the conversation goes between two law-abiding college graduates who grew up outside of Atlanta but spent a considerable time in Atlanta. You live in Atlanta, you know, we go out in Atlanta and we never looked up to any of these people and I don't know why any of this matters and people are saying, oh, what's happening to Atlanta? Let's go talk to academics, the not the most non street nigga alive, and have him explain to us why this shit in the streets is wrong and be the conduit for the conversation when it's like hey, make slaps, atlanta got hot off of rappers making slaps yeah.
Speaker 1:Atlanta will stay hot if rappers make slaps, and for you people who think this street shit matters, y'all are a small microcosm of the hip-hop culture and y'all are the people who don't go to concerts. Y'all are the Falcons fans who say that you like Michael Vick over Matt Ryan, but you never bought either's jersey and you never watched either of them play in person. Y'all are the ones.
Speaker 3:They were tailgating their ass off though, weren't they? Some of them didn't even bring a bottle to the, to the damn tailgate.
Speaker 1:And some of them and some of them went to church and got home at one, at one 15, and missed the first drive. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and again, I think that that gets deeper into the real issue with hip-hop and, in reality, one of the things because they've been leaking so many Young Thug jail conversations. You know he brought up Kendrick Lamar and he did bring up Drake. He's stupid, no, but what he said made total sense, in a sense of when you look at somebody like Kendrick Lamar, kendrick Lamar, in a weird way, is like a lot of his mystique. Yes, he's a great emcee, but a lot of his mystique is the idea that he is the unknown. He is not somebody that hops on a lot of people. Mystique is the idea that he is the unknown. He is not somebody that hops on a lot of people's records like he doesn't do it. Drake is the opposite. Drake hops on a lot of people's records but he makes them hot and like. This is what young thug said. They're not my words, this is what young thug said because it's true. Drake doesn't help feed so many niggas families because he has. I know he has. I don't even know personally.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie to you if this topic was going to turn into you glazing drink.
Speaker 3:I'm bringing it up because it's part of this, but it's getting to my point.
Speaker 3:But it's getting to my point, my point is my point is is that, at the end of the day, that, to me, will be the bigger downfall for atlanta? In a weird way, drake is still, to me, the biggest artist. I mean, taylor swift's the biggest artist in the world, but he's the biggest hip-hop act in the world. It's not kendrick lamar, it is drake. Drake is a bigger artist than kendrick lamar. Check your spotify or you don't do spotify. Check any of that stuff. Now that the dust is settled, drake still has more monthly listeners because he's got more hits, which is just, it's just fact. But at the same time, if you look at somebody like Kendrick and the type of music and who he appeals to, he does not cast a net over the world. Drake has a worldwide web and that's why it introduces people. He did not put the Migos on by doing the Versace remix. He did not put them on.
Speaker 1:Can you tie this back to Young Thug? I am, I'm trying to On your knees.
Speaker 3:Well, look, lee, look, I get it. You don't like Drake, I understand. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You favor Kendrick Lamar or Drake, you don't not like Drake, you favor Kendrick Lamar over Drake. That's okay. No, no, no's not true either. What the hell am I on my knees, then, if I'm telling the truth?
Speaker 1:I mean because you are just glazing Drake to make your Young Thug point. Make the Young Thug point, nigga.
Speaker 3:I'm making Young Thug's point. That's the point. The point is that that's what Young Thug said. I didn't say that I'm regurgitating it and I'm adding in the wrinkles of if you look at all the Atlanta artists which is how the last verse on Not Like Us, how it kind of goes into that he named a bunch of people that Drake made music with that all have seen much more success. 2 Chainz is still great. I remember Teddy Boy from fucking Duff still great.
Speaker 3:I remember Teddy Boy from fucking Duffel Bag, I remember these people, I'm not saying that he put this is my point, though he didn't put them on, but to act as if his recognition to stand next to these people didn't propel their career more, it'd be a lie. It would be a lie. That's a lie in reality.
Speaker 1:No, that's false on 2 Chainz bro.
Speaker 3:Okay, no, I wasn't even like that big of a record, but I'm just simply saying no, no, no.
Speaker 1:If you're going to bring it to 2 Chainz, then you bring it. Well, because he's one of the people he named, I'm just naming now, I'm just going with the people he named but like, if you're going to bring in somebody who may have really propelled 2 Chainz, I would say it would have been Kanye more than Drake.
Speaker 3:I agree. Same thing Like push the teeth. Okay, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:Let me finish. Let me finish Because, yes, 2 Chainz had hits with Drake right, whether it's 2 Chainz song or the Drake song. But when Drake struck that iron Kanye already stamped it, 2 Chainz was already booming and then Kanye was the nigga who brought him around. Good music, because I do not believe that two chains was ever official. Like on like he wasn't.
Speaker 3:He was never on that, he was never part of the label but he was good music associated and good music working.
Speaker 1:So if you want to say that like two chain like like like kanye was the nigga who like elevated this nigga from like really good to to like excellent, I'll hear Kanye, but not Drake, because Drake only tapped in with two chains when also two chains was on his run. He was hot. Like like the Migos is different because Drake took an Atlanta hit and made it a national hit right Then they did Bad and Bougie.
Speaker 1:Which brought more eyes to them, which is my point for Drake, but it's not about Drake, but yeah, when 2 Chainz was on his run, drake was also who he was. So when they put shit together, it was hot, but Drake wasn't. It wasn't like we thought this, he was signed to good music and he wasn't, you know I mean. So I'm gonna put that out there and I know I over talked it, but continue your point, because we've all lost it, because I've cut you off.
Speaker 3:No, you're good, but like, but it gets in. I brought him up, but like again, even with young thug, why he said what he said you. You look at a track like Danny Glover. Danny Glover was fucking hot in college, was it not? That was a record. I always hated Stoner. I still think Stoner is one of the most garbage tracks I've ever heard. But Danny Glover was like that street song in Atlanta, so it was more regional. It was Atlanta, but I'm sure in Alabamaabama clubs and south carolina clubs danny glover was booming too right a track like a danny glover. You got 808 mafia on that. But then drake and to me the biggest breakthrough for for young thug was uh, ain't about the money with ti. Like that was to me the song that put Young Thug over. Like, if I use wrestling terms, because that damn near is what rap's turning into. It is wrestling. Well, I guess it always kind of has been, but it put him over. Like that was the song that put it over for me.
Speaker 1:You want to hear a forgotten Young Thug song that I was supposed to be in a video. Me and Borg was supposed to be in a video. Me and Borg was supposed to be in a video for Stoner. No, this was in between it was. Stoner. No, I'm telling you, this song is in between Stoner and and.
Speaker 3:I don't know this track.
Speaker 1:I know you don't. Is that over a million views on YouTube?
Speaker 3:I just know that he did Stoner on Parsons Because Tatiana and this other dude that Justice. They were both in the video.
Speaker 1:So this video, this song I was playing, mars shot the video for this video, the song I was playing, marv shot the video for it and it was before. I want to say Nikki hopped on Danny Glover. No, no, it was before. No, it was actually before Stoner blew up when he shot it.
Speaker 3:But Stoner was already out, but it just hadn't blown up.
Speaker 1:But Stoner went crazy. Between the time Marv shot the video and the time he was ready to put it out, Thug had signed the Rich Gang deal.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm probably saying shit I shouldn't say on broadcast because, well, fuck it, I don't care. Hey Marv in London, like so marv couldn't get into contact with with thug in london and he's like hey man, I'm trying to release this video in coordination with you all. He ended up shooting the back end of the video and then ties in the footage he has with trader truth and thug to make it a full video and then ties in the footage he has with Trader Truth and Thug to make it a full video and then drops that shit on Worldstar and like he did millions on Worldstar instead of me and on YouTube. But me and Boink were at the initial video shoot. We were supposed to be extras in the video. We ended up not shooting the whole video.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you told me about it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, because me and London almost got into it because I didn't know who he was and he was a little he's like hey, nigga, I'm the producer.
Speaker 1:He was a little too aggressive for me and you know I ain't on that shit. Well, you know how we like that, go ahead and race that horse, yeah. So it was funny, because me you don't think about me and it's a problem that I have, that sometimes I'll go in environments and I have my way of conducting myself as a man and that sometimes like runs, in contrast with what people who have egos and and have backing and and and and and they've been elevated, uh, by society and they've been pampered by those around them. See, I don't be playing that, and not because I'm disrespectful, it's just because when I go into the bathroom and I gotta drain my main vein, I take my hands, I put it in my pants and I grab it and I allow that to happen. Right, that's me. I'm a man, I stand up when I pee. So then he do it all this like oh, you both know who I am. You're the producer, I respect you. I ain't going to disrespect you because I understand you are not the man on the front of the camera. I'm not going to remember who you are. It's no disrespect to you. You know what I mean. No disrespect to you at all.
Speaker 1:London on the track. Nigga, I don't know who you are. I know who Young Thug is. It's a 6'4", 154-pound nigga with a long-ass dress. I know him. I'm a stunner. I'm a stunner. I'm a stunner. Yeah, nah, I know him and I know we got London on the track, but that's all I know you as I know you as a soundbite, nigga.
Speaker 1:I don't know you as a face. No disrespect If I see London today hey, it's love. Hey, you've been amazing. Shit you did with summer walker, the shit you put her through. Hey, great music, it's dope. But in 2013, 2014, I don't know your face. Your face card ain't that good yet. You are like, you're a celebrity among celebrities, but you ain't a celebrity amongst the common folk yet, and I think people don't really understand that yet. Just because you can move in those circles and be respected by those people as a professional, it doesn't mean that you have a face that everybody knows. But you know what. I'm going to pass this off to you and I'm going to rush my racehorse. And you know what. I'm going to pass this off to you and I'm going to rush my racehorse. And you know what. I'm going to leave a topic with you before I go.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just going to go ahead and close it out. While you do that, and by the time you get back, I think we'll be ready for our NFC preview, along with our NFL superlatives and predictions for the season.
Speaker 1:Hey, do you have two minutes to pray for Pablo Torre Like, can you just send up a prayer for Pablo? Well, of course.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll set that up as well. But all in all, I think that ultimately, you know, when it comes to the Ratlanta allegations and everything that is talked about, atlanta allegations and everything that is talked about, especially when it comes to the face of kind of you know, the rap universe, at this point it's one of those things where everything has changed. And personally, I mean I'm not a street dude, I'm not in the streets, I mean I live here, of course, but certainly, being from here and being a part of here, I look at it just as one of those things where you know it's changed. Like I can already feel the change, like you can just feel the change. But atlanta has already been changing for what it's worked. For a long time now atlanta's been changing. So this is nothing new.
Speaker 3:Um, atlanta has already been changing so this is this is minute from that, but I feel like this is kind of the breaking point.
Speaker 3:This is when the levy actually falls over. But I think, like AC just said, at the end of the day, if you make good music, you make good music and the people will listen. The people will, it'll be hot. If it's hot, it's hot. But I do think that we're starting to see kind of the end of Atlanta being like the face at least, and so I tied Drake into it because I do think that Drake ultimately will. He's somebody that could dictate it in general. But we'll see. Did you pray for Pablo in general? We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1:Did you pray for Pablo?
Speaker 3:No, you went pretty quickly, but we can go ahead and say a prayer for him, because I think that Pablo he's exposing all of the.
Speaker 1:I almost cursed hard, didn't I. He's exposing all the corruption in sports and we love what he's doing, but I don't know if he's going to be allowed to continue doing what he's doing.
Speaker 3:He's a staple in the game all of his papers together but I like it, though. It's sports journalism and it's something that we haven't seen in a while Real reporting.
Speaker 1:Isn't it funny, though, that First Take talked about the Kawhi thing, but they didn't talk about the NFL collusion thing.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, the NFL owns 10% of ESPN now and that deal had been in the works for I have to imagine it wasn't a few months, maybe a year. I bet that that's been going on for like a year.
Speaker 1:Years probably negotiating the percentage.
Speaker 3:That's why all their talent, that's why Rich Eisen, even though he was on Roku with his show but he was also still NFL Network.
Speaker 3:That's why, peter Schrager, all these people, if you notice, look at how seamless they kind of made it too. Like you know, I'm a big Rich Eisen guy, rich Eisen stuff. He talked to Troy Aikman and the ESPN page. He was on the Rich Eisen show, but the ESPN page posted the Rich Eisen clip. Now Rich Eisen still has his Rich Eisen show clips where he shows everything, but the Troy Aikman clip was specifically posted to ESPN's YouTube. So stuff like that shows and tells everything I need to know.
Speaker 1:You know, and I really hate that for us because you know we're independent media guys, yeah, and we just want to get information and get it out to the people. And although we want to definitely make money off of it, we don't. I don't think we ever want to be compromised right, like if. Like if the nfl offered us a deal, I think we'd have a long conversation about what that would do for the show, and I know my conversation with you would be can we take this offer elsewhere so we're not directly tied to the NFL, and get the same coin or get enough coin that we'd accept? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you know, I think that certainly for this show specifically, I'd love especially and who knows what doors are going to open up with TNT essentially being ESPN2 now, because they're going to continue to keep that office here. So I feel like ESPN is going to have this southern footprint and they know that that's good for business because of college football, at a bare minimum that they could have an ESPN down here In reality they could.
Speaker 1:Hey, if y'all want us to cover the Falcons, the Hawks, georgia football, georgia Tech football, basketball, y'all want us to cover the Falcons, the Hawks, georgia football, georgia Tech football, basketball y'all want us to talk about that shit? Oh boy, we'll watch and study the fuck out of it, won't we?
Speaker 3:Absolutely, absolutely. But with that being said now, that moves us to not Falcons first, but the NFC preview to follow up. Last week, after we did the AFC All, right, man.
Speaker 1:So let's preview the NFC. What division do you want to start with? You know the NFC, it feels more like home for me. The AFC yeah, we talk, it's important. It's the division that probably gets the most ratings, right?
Speaker 3:now. Well now it doesn't matter, but it was. It was always the home of the CBS and we obviously are more Fox watchers anyways.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm not a Fox News guy, but I'm a Fox Sports guy like nobody's business.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's why we love ESPN getting Troy and Joe, because we were like, makes sense, they're the best in the business. As a team they're the best.
Speaker 1:So fuck it, let's go NFC North to start it right. I think that's a great place to start, because the Packers just acquired Michael Parsons right before the season started.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, you know it's funny because we're starting off with them and I know that we either would always go up or down. And my thought was, honestly before, micah Parsons I hate. It's not that I hate that he got traded there, but like so, even without Micah Parsons, my prediction was always that the Packers would win this division. I thought that Jordan Love has to have that breakthrough this year. Obviously, they made the playoffs. Last year they lost to Philly.
Speaker 3:I always liked the Packers. I think that they have a well-balanced team and I think Josh Jacobs as a running back is just what they needed and there's still enough tread on his tires to where he can still be that workhorse. People didn't talk about his season because of how good Saquon and Derrick Henry did, being two guys that also switched teams, but they both damn near ran for 2,000 yards. Josh Jacobs quietly had a great year. I mean he had almost 1,400 yards, he had 14 rushing touchdowns and you know, I'm sure he did a little bit in the air too, but he was a workhorse. He was a big reason for why he was the straw that stirred the drink for that offense.
Speaker 3:And anyone that watches a Kyle Shanahan-type offense knows how important having that running back is and for them to move on from Aaron Jones and not miss a beat and only get better. It speaks volumes for LaFleur. But I think that Green Bay is the team that's going to win the division. I like where they are, but certainly adding Michael Parsons to me adds a prohibited type of pass rusher, because I sent you a graphic where they I didn't realize they went three years without a 10-sack guy because I thought, like us, well, no, we're eight, we're eight years, but yeah, well, that was what. That's actually why I sent you the graphic, but the graphic was brought up because of him getting traded there. You know, we were just, you know, at the top of the list, but I like winning the division. I think that there'll be a 12 and 5 type of team.
Speaker 1:I got them winning the division. I, honestly, I got them winning the division. Honestly, I got them winning the conference. I'm going to buy into the narrative. I'm going to buy into the big move, getting them over the top and the NFC is weak right now and they are a team that was close. They actually added an elite-level player to their team and I think Jordan Love will be better next year than he was last year because he's getting better at pro football. You know? Yeah, it's just simply that.
Speaker 3:That's a fair assumption. But then we can just move on to Detroit, right? Because I think a lot of people probably have them slide at second. They take that step back because they lost both of their coordinators. Then just the idea in general of, well, when you win 15 games in a year, you don't have any choice but to take a step back, and that's just what I think everybody thinks Detroit's going to do. I think they're going to still be a really good team. They're a playoff team, no doubt. Like I don't think that they're going to miss the playoffs, but they do take that step back.
Speaker 3:Jarrett Goff had a. You know, jared Goff was kind of in the MVP race by week 14. He was in the top three. He was playing just as well as anyone. He had a game where he didn't have an incompletion and then they had a game against the Titans where they scored 56 points. I mean they did record-breaking stuff with that offense. They still got Jameer Gibbs. They still got David Montgomery. They get back what's my man from Michigan, aiden Hutchinson? You know a lot of people don't talk about that. He was out after like week six or seven.
Speaker 2:So they're going to be better.
Speaker 3:They're going to be better.
Speaker 1:They're going to be better, but they lost Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn. They lost both of their coordinators. That they lost both of their coordinators, that has to say something right?
Speaker 3:No, I know, but I just said that. I literally said you know, the thing is is that, at the end of the day, that is why they're going to take that step back. It's still two new coordinators and they didn't bring in somebody that was. That is, a homegrown type of coordinator. So you know something that we should have probably did with Matt LaFleur once Kyle Shannon left but I don't run the Falcons and so, um, who knows, just like how they're keeping it homegrown. Maybe there's that Matt LaFleur that's sitting right there behind Ben Johnson. That was the quarterback coach or the passing and running game coordinator, we don't know. So they're kind of an unknown from that perspective. I just don't expect them to do what they did last year, which was win 15 games. They're not going to be the number one seed in the NFC.
Speaker 1:What about the Vikings?
Speaker 3:Step back. I actually have them coming in. Last, I think you know JJ McCartney had that one preseason game and a lot of people suck him off because of it. I mean he did the. You know he won the national championship, but that was a super talented Michigan team with an NFL coach as the head coach. So I mean there's a lot of different ways you could toss that up and look at it.
Speaker 1:So you think Vikings take a step back, with Judge Jim McCarthy missing Jordan Addison for three games. Do you think that matters?
Speaker 3:I think it matters and I just think that he's going to have growing pains coming off of an injury and it being his first NFL action.
Speaker 2:Like the combination of both it doesn't mean that.
Speaker 3:It doesn't mean I think Minnesota's a five-win team. I just think that they're going to be like 7-10, 8-9. Like, and that's good for last place, Like. But that goes to show what I think of that division. That division is probably the best in the NFC.
Speaker 1:So I haven't given much analysis here. I'll step in right here. Jj McCarthy hasn't played quarterback to his potential since high school, okay, and I don't know if we know what his floor or his ceiling is. So I think there's a lot of variance with JJ McCarthy. Okay, like you know, I was pro the Falcons going after JJ because he's a five-star, he's athletic and he can throw the hell out of the ball.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He played for Jim Harbaugh, who didn't allow him to be a good quarterback.
Speaker 3:Jim, he is great. Why do you think he didn't allow him to be a good quarterback?
Speaker 1:Because Jim knows how to win football games and Jim knows if I kick your ass up front I'll beat you. So I'm not going to leave it up to my quarterback for chance. Way too much variance, right. Same way he coaches in the in the NFL, right, like you know. So that I struggle picking O'Connell over Ben Johnson because you know I'm not a believer in Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3:It's circumstances, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, and I don't believe in Caleb Williams. I don't know what Ben Johnson is without having a head coach who creates a culture and a GM who brings the guys in who support that culture. But in saying that Vikings are fourth in the division with a good record, the Bears are third in the division with a good but not great record, but not a playoff team.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And I haven't done my picks. Hey, can we do our over-unders tomorrow and run it like on Monday?
Speaker 3:Yeah, we weren't going to go through the over-unders, I just felt like we were going to do it.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying can we do the over-unders tomorrow? At least get it recorded before the game comes out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we need to get together at 5.30. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Whatever time works for you Like, at any point during the day I can make myself available. Outside of like 9 o'clock I have an appointment, but other than that, but yeah. But in saying that, without doing my full schedule breakdown, all of that stuff, I think the Bears are three. I think who do I got it to the other team, the Detroit? Detroit is two and the Packers is one. Nfc West no, no, I want to do West before we do the South.
Speaker 3:Well, east will be relatively quick. I think we all fully expect the Eagles probably to win that division again. They lost a lot on defense but they still have Vic Fangio as the DC and they've actually already drafted the replacements. In a weird way they're almost treating it like college. They kind of have already had it set up. I mean, think about it Jordan Davis, kobe Dean weird way they're almost treating it like college. They kind of have already had set up. I mean, think about it jordan davis, nicole bd was on the field more than jordan davis last year. So now, with milton leaving to go to new england, like I don't know, they're already kind of set up defensively. They're unproven in terms of full-time stars and I don't know what the depth is behind them, but uh, they already drafted their secondary essentially over the last two years. Big play Slay is gone, but I think that they're okay with that.
Speaker 3:I mean, we saw what we saw in the Super Bowl, so like they look pretty good. I think it's unquestioned.
Speaker 1:We both agree that Philly's going to be the best team in that division this season. I think Philly is the best team in that division this season. I think Philly is the best team in that division this season. I won't be shocked if Washington wins the division just off of the record. That's going to bleed into my NFC South stuff.
Speaker 3:So I would be surprised. And it's not because I don't like Dan Quinn, I just think that it's more along the lines of this. We saw it with CJ Stroud and it doesn't mean that it would happen with Jaden Daniels. But if you look at the commanders, my thought is this I don't know if you know this they're the oldest roster in the NFL.
Speaker 1:Yes, I do know that.
Speaker 3:And it's apparent, because you've got Von Miller, you've got Bobby. Wagner, these are the guys kind of tailing the defense. They had the best season that they've had since 1991. So the idea of them building on that and exceeding what they even did last year, which came out of nowhere, it's hard to believe, especially when the defending champs are the team that's in your division and they're already still so set up. No, I don't see the Commanders winning more games than them this year. I don't.
Speaker 1:Would the Commanders playing a second-place schedule versus a first-place schedule? And Von Miller, I'm with you, but Von Miller it's just like Kansas City always playing a first-place schedule.
Speaker 3:Okay, they still win the games. They're still the big bad wolf going into that fight. You know what I mean. They are still the big bad wolf going into that fight, like you know what I mean they are still the big bad wolf in the match.
Speaker 1:Well, Parley P, you know I'm not the best with predictions. I'm the best at telling you what I watched.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I'm not a big, I don't like to predict if I haven't seen it yet, but playing a second-place schedule versus a first-place schedule, both of them having similar division records and splitting against each other, which I think is a legit possibility, I could see Washington having the better record by like a game, but not being the better team. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I understand what you're saying. I don't have a world where I envision unless Jalen Hurts gets hurt or something. I don't have a world where I envision Philly wild card weekend playing on the road. I just don't see it. So, like again, I like Dayton Daniels, obviously it's not a prediction.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you. It's not a prediction, it is just a conversation point. I think that's worth having. It is Because, if you're going to put a gun to my head and say NFC East Philly, I trust Howie, I trust Howie. That's what it boils down to. I trust Howie Roseman more than damn near anybody in the NFL today. Yeah, you know how I felt about Bill Belichick. Even if Bill Belichick wasn't winning, I felt that Bill Belichick was doing it the right way. That's how I feel about Howie Roseman.
Speaker 3:Well, if you feel that way about Howie Roseman, then how do you feel about Jerry Jones? Because they will be the next team on this list. We're not at this point. We're not even going in order. I think the Dallas is going to finish last and I know that sounds crazy, because they do have Dak, they do have CeeDee, they do have George Pickens. I think that they'll be similar to man. Honestly, those Falcons teams that were going 7-10.
Speaker 3:That's what I think that they're going to look like I think they're going to look just like the end of the Matt Ryan era teams no-transcript. They did trade away their best defensive player and he was an all pro player. It wasn't like they just we didn't, we just never had one, but like they traded him away, they paid dorado dick made all pro our Super Bowl year.
Speaker 1:Watch your mouth.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 3:I'm talking about the later Matt Ryan.
Speaker 2:That's not a later.
Speaker 3:Matt Ryan year. Okay, the later, matt Ryan years are anything. When we didn't make the playoffs, those teams Okay the 2019 on Matt Ryan teams, we would score a lot of points. I'm pretty sure the falcons probably averaged 26 points, 25 points a game. I would imagine we were right in there because we would have some high school games but here, we're not on the falcons dallas.
Speaker 3:Their issue is is that they have uh, they've got shouting Sheldon Hirons as the coach, first-year head coach, all this stuff. Cowboys dropped this fucking doc. There's like so much going on in Big D to where New Kung Fu Kenny I knew that was coming. It's so much going on there to where New Kung Fu Kenny I didn't know that was coming. Go ahead, do it again. New Kung Fu Kenny, I didn't expect him to. You know win games. Look at that. You threw me off with all this Kung Fu Kenny shit.
Speaker 1:You threw me off with all the Kung Fu Kenny shit. You were saying nigga, what did you expect?
Speaker 3:Nah, well, look. Either way, dallas, to me, is one of those teams where they're kind of a I don't know what they're even going to really be. I think we know what they're set up to be.
Speaker 1:They could win five games. They could win ten games and nothing shocking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, either way that it goes, I don't expect them to win five games.
Speaker 1:They could win 10 games and nothing shocking. Yeah, either way that it goes, I don't expect them to win five, I don't expect them to win 10, but I would say that they're closer to five than 10, but I expect them to be right in the middle.
Speaker 3:I think they're gonna be like a seven win team but here, hey, here, here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Parley p and I think we should hit on this. We're not going to sit here and kill Jerry Jones.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:For trading Michael Parsons Right Now. Don't get me wrong. I don't like what he got back for Michael Parsons, but he did get two first round picks and a Pro Bowl, a Pro Bowl player that he can insert into his team that they needed at that moment. But if you're going to tell me that the right answer was paying Micah $47 million a year, I'll tell you no, I'd say Micah deserves to reset the market.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I can also say that Even if Mike is on my team, you don't deserve to reset the market by $6 million annually on my team based on what we have here in our cap situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Now, if we want to shit on Jerry for waiting to pay Dak, Mike and CD and that messing up the cap, skewer him for that, Take him to Outback, put him on the Barbie or whatever they call it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Barbie.
Speaker 1:The Barbie and you cook his ass. I agree with that. But once we have one or two options, pay Micah $47 million a year or trade him for two first-round picks and a Pro Bowl starter.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, or trade him for two first-round picks and a Pro Bowl starter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sorry, micah, you got to go because I may not be able to replace your production in one player and one salary, but I may be able to replace your production for $41 million as opposed to $47 million and in a hard cap league like the NFL Well, like NFL or NBA, because the NBA is damn near a hard cap now with the second April. You know what. It's in my best interest to let you walk and get compensation for you. But again, I think we both can agree that Jarrett should have made whatever move he was going to make earlier, and it would have been better for him. It would have been better for him Fuck both sides. He could have signed Micah for less. He could have also gotten more draft picks, more compensation, had he traded him earlier or later.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and the Giants.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go to the Giants. Do we give a fuck about the Giants?
Speaker 3:I think that they'll be a lot more friskier than people are anticipating. I don't understand the Russell Wilson disrespect. Like they, the Giants might arguably have the best pass rush in the NFL this season.
Speaker 1:For the names on that if Abdul Carter is worth that third Hold on before you make your point by saying they're the best pass rush. I think you're selling them short. Really, you think I'm selling them short. I think you should say they potentially have the best front front four unit in the nfl. That's why I think you're selling them short okay yes, all right.
Speaker 3:yes, you're right, that is not the appropriate way to name them, but all I'm saying is this that's what those championship giant teams have been built on. They're not a championship team by any stretch, but I'm just saying, if you look at the history of the Giants and why Eli Manning has to even be brought up in social media posts for debates of Hall of Fame Disgusting, it's because of that pass rush that they had.
Speaker 1:That D-line. No, don't call it a pass rush, call it a D-line.
Speaker 3:But it was specifically the pass rush.
Speaker 1:The D-line had a great pass rush, but it was also a great D-line. They could also control the run, which then allowed them to be a great pass rushing unit, and I think that's super important.
Speaker 3:Sure Sure. Look, I'm on your side, Lee, but I think we're on the same side of this argument.
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Speaker 3:Yes anywhere that you can get your fix for content, we are there. But yeah, I mean, they're not much to talk about. I think that they have a chance to be better than the Cowboys record-wise this season. I think Brian Dayball obviously is coaching for his job. I don't think that Russell Wilson is that bad, and what Jackson Jackson Jackson Dart did show in preseason was that he looked pretty good. But you know, we saw the same thing out of the one game, out of JJ McCarthy, so I'll hold my horses until he plays.
Speaker 1:You know, if we did a four-hour show, I would really go in that Russell topic and talk about how Russell's been totally disrespected as like a bum and he should be viewed as a mediocre quarterback quarterback and not a guy who is a bum. I'm not okay with that, even though you know, and I think our listeners know, I'm not the biggest Russell Wilson fan. But we're going too far with the disrespect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they're irrelevant as general. Let's get to the NFC West. I mean, let's start off with. You know we'll start off with the champs, the Rams. Obviously, a lot of questions about Matt Stafford and his health and that back. You know we talked about this earlier in pre-production the epidural that they're talking about that he's going to have to get before this game with the Texans on Sunday.
Speaker 1:Can we like really be real about what epidural is? And I wasn't in the room with you when your daughter was born, but I was in the room when my daughter was born. Maybe Cindy doesn't want the world to know this, but they're going to find out. She had an epidural. I watched them put that big-ass needle in her back. That's not a normal shot. The epidural need a longer than dick yeah it it is.
Speaker 3:She had to get epidural as well.
Speaker 1:I love you like me. I was looking at him like damn, that shit going to go through his stomach.
Speaker 2:Big-ass needle.
Speaker 3:It's intense. I mean, there's no doubt about that. It's an intense thing, but obviously the pain goes away. And she was damn near getting high off of it. I mean that was how it appeared to me.
Speaker 1:I got a funny story I can tell you off camera. I know I can't tell you on the screen, yeah but with the Rams in general.
Speaker 3:I think that adding Devontae Adams certainly is an upgrade over Cooper Cup, which is it's not crazy to say in a sentence, but anyone that watches football knows that that is an upgrade it was always an upgrade.
Speaker 1:Even when Cooper Cupp was Triple Crown, it was still an upgrade.
Speaker 3:I don't know about that, but because again he was. Triple Crown.
Speaker 1:As Jalen Ramsey is top five receivers. He didn't say Cooper Cupp, but that was Cooper Cupp off the Triple Crown. He practiced against him. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He said my man's name from East Palo Alto. He said his name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, either way, it's an upgrade. Kyron Williams looks to be back in and they still got Blake Corwin backing him up. As long as that offense goes as well as it should, the defense is the younger side of the ball anyways. I mean, they had the top two defensive rookie of the year. Well, they had the defensive rookie of the year, but they also had the runner-up and they're both pass rushers. So that's something you need in the NFL. I think that they're set up for success. Jarrett Burse was somebody that him and Laktu Laktu were both the guys I thought we were going to draft, maybe at eight. Those are the people I thought about, but, like you know, we got Pennix and we'll get to the South here shortly. But yeah, I like the Rams to still win that division. I like the Rams to still win that division. I think Sean McVay is the best coach in the division. I think he's the best coach in the division.
Speaker 1:You're fucking right, he's the best coach in the division.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had to hold myself for a second with that. I was like, nah, he's a better coach than Kyle Shanahan, but they're 1A and 1B. Like I don't think that he's. That Kyle Shanahan is still. Kyle Shanahan has been to two Super Bowls in the last five years and three NFC championships the only year that he didn't like and he's done it with injuries, so that's something that Sean McVay's never had to deal with.
Speaker 3:Kyle Cunningham has taken three quarterbacks and went to the NFC Championship and then had even that third string quarterback get hurt in the first drive of the game. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:Kyle Cunningham has dealt with a lot. But you got to blame some of those injuries on the coaching style too, because Kyle consistently has injuries. So I'm with you on the Rams winning the division. I'm all in. Yeah, let's go, rams.
Speaker 3:Rams house. They say whose house Rams house?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think the next thing that we would talk about, naturally like damn playoff standings, would be San Francisco. I think San Francisco's finished last in the division and they don't go to the playoffs.
Speaker 3:Well, they're typically last or first. That is kind of how it's always worked with him.
Speaker 1:Well, they're last. I think they're going to be last again and I think that seat heats up for Kyle Not that it should. I don't think it should heat up for him Me personally. I just't think it should heat up for him Me personally. I'm speaking to the culture of football Back-to-back losing seasons, back-to-back not making the playoffs, and back-to-back of him running players into the dirt, getting guys hurt before the season starts. There's a problem with what Kyle's doing over there and I don't know. I think they're third, I think they're last in the division.
Speaker 3:So I don't believe that. I don't think that they'll be last. I think that, ultimately, when you look at San Francisco, I look at a team that's going to be based on their health. They lost a lot of guys on defense, just kind of like how Philly did. They lost some key players, but they also have guys that got hurt that will be coming back. All in all, that team is always still well-coached and well-built because even when they do have the injuries, they've always found a way, like Isaac Garendo on a.
Speaker 3:Thursday night game in Seattle ran for 130 yards. So they do this and they got Brian Robinson Jr, which was a nice pickup. In case McCaffrey's not healthy, that's a good to go with Garendo, that's a nice little one-two punch.
Speaker 1:That tells me McCaffrey's not healthy man.
Speaker 3:Well, don't you have insurance on your Carly? I legally have to. All right, so they should too. They should absolutely have to have an insurance policy, and I think that that's all that. That is, I just think that it's an insurance policy.
Speaker 1:They ultimately have to have it. You got them second in the division.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do. I think that they're better. I know Seattle will be really close. I think that they're going to be. That division is one of those divisions where 10-7 will win it and the other teams can be 9-8, 8-9, 7-10. Like, I think it'll be that close that.
Speaker 1:Without me filling out my game-to-game, who I think wins each game? I think San Francisco's a frisky 7-9 team, me saying they're going to finish fourth in the division.
Speaker 3:I don't 7-10,.
Speaker 1:yeah, I don't think they're going to be trash Like. I think they're going to be a playoff-level team on any given week. I just don't think they'll deliver that week to week. And you know, I think that it goes against a lot that I believe in with Seattle.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Because, of Sam Darnold. Yeah, you're a big Darnold believer. Why?
Speaker 2:don't you go ahead and tell people what you did last year?
Speaker 1:No, I'm not. Well, we made a trade because Darnold was playing well and I was able to tie Darnold to Jay Jedis and that took my terrible team to a place that was competitive and I was vying for the playoffs. To get in the back door now. But again, that's not based off my belief. Yeah, it's not my.
Speaker 3:No, I said press the button.
Speaker 1:Which one?
Speaker 3:I was trying to get in the back door. This is.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 3:New Kung Fu Kenny. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1:My bad.
Speaker 3:Kenny can catch himself, guys.
Speaker 1:New Kung Fu, kenny, he's got to play it another time, twice for good measure. But you know I was. I'm not a Sam Darnold believer. I just believed in what he did last year. Because I'm not going Sam Darnold believer, I just believe in what he did last year Because I'm not going to lie to you, I really want to pick the Cardinals to go second in that division. I'm buying in, I'm buying in, I'm buying into what John Gannon's doing. I believe in Kyler's potential.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:And I believe in their ability to maximize his potential more consistently.
Speaker 1:I really want to be my number two, seahawks three and and 49ers four. But in saying that, from one to four, no more than three games difference. Like I don't see the Rams going like 13-4. You know what I mean. And then like four guys going 4-13. I see it being at best 11-6 division, but like a 10-7 division with a lot of 9-8s, 8-9s and 7-10s somewhere all in there mixed up in these guys' games. But I think it's time to get to the division that we care about. Huh.
Speaker 1:Hey, the most important division here in the South there's no doubt about it, I'm not going to play the whole thing because he's not our coach. But you know what?
Speaker 3:But we are going to run the piss out of the football Because we've got the number one pick that should have been in most fantasy leagues. Was he number one in our league? He was number three. He dropped a three. He dropped a three for whatever reason. I don't like it because Justice picked third. Yeah, dropped a three. He dropped a three for whatever reason. I don't like it because Justice picked third.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, that's why I'm sitting there.
Speaker 3:I don't understand why everybody would give him that type of value.
Speaker 1:there, you know, I was sitting at four and you know I'm on stream and in my brain I knew B John wasn't a choice for me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you knew he wasn't going to fall past Justice.
Speaker 1:Literally. You knew that. No, not even Justice. I didn't think he would fall to four, so I didn't give a fuck about where B John went in the draft Shit. I don't even remember who I drafted first. Who did I draft first? I drafted Jay Jettis After I said I wouldn't go wide receiver.
Speaker 3:Well, you had to, though you were in a position where it was too good to pass up one way or another.
Speaker 1:I'm not taking a risk on Derrick Henry, who would have been my pick there.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:When Jay Jedis is sitting right there. I can't do that. That's wrong, it's not worth it.
Speaker 3:You know, Jay Jedis fell to me last year. I got him at seven.
Speaker 1:I drafted before you.
Speaker 3:He had to have been the second, or if not the first, wide receiver taken. I don't like drafting wide receiver first.
Speaker 1:Did I draft B John last year in our league? Yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm going to think because I didn't draft Jay Jettis. Who the fuck did I draft if he dropped that far? Okay, I drafted B John. That was the right pick. Yeah, yeah, especially when you pair both of them on the same team.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so look, I mean, you're a ball knower yourself, I think we are. Look, I mean, you're a ball knower yourself, I think we are. No, I'm kidding, you're a ball knower, you get it. And so, yeah, but here, falcons, obviously I believe we're going to win the division. I think everything points in the direction that this is the team that can be the dark horse, and it's not. It really is not. I promise you guys that this is an objective, biased view of the team. Yes, I am a fan. Yes, I expect and hope that these things happen. But everything kind of aligns for it to happen and I'm going to break it down for a while.
Speaker 3:Very quickly, at the end of the day, the Falcons went 8-9 last season. We were 6-3 at one point in the year. So you do the math that means we went 2-6. That's basically the second half of the year. Kirk Cousins was not healthy. Michael Penks played the last three. I thought he looked solid. Certainly for somebody that never played in the NFL, I thought he looked pretty good. We know that the arm strength is there. We have the talented receivers Running game. Obviously, we just talked about that. Now the question is going to be can we generate a pass rush? Can we set up to where, if we've got these leads, we can maintain them? Those are going to be the questions that have to be asked. I think Raheem is going to be the key to whether or not that's going to be possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know, I've been on the line because my heart wants to choose the Falcons to win the division.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:My head wants to pick Tampa Bay to win the division, yeah, but I see us as 11-6, 10-7, 9-8. You know what I mean. But I think we're a playoff caliber team, and so that's where I struggle with this. Because, head coach, who's a better head coach today, based on what we know, Between what Coach Rah, between Coach Rah and Coach Bowles?
Speaker 3:Was Bowles today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who's a better quarterback, Baker or Penix?
Speaker 3:From what we know, it's Baker.
Speaker 1:Okay, we win the running back matchup, but Bucky Irvin and that other dude whose name is slipping my brain right now, they're not bad. Correct? Even though we're running back, they're not bad.
Speaker 3:The discrepancy between the two isn't that far off to where you'd have to do something ridiculous in terms of a prediction now.
Speaker 1:Then you go to the receiver room. Now Drake and Mooney should have been 2,000 yard receivers last year. We don't know what a book is going to be. We don't know what Chris book is going to be. We don't know what Chris Godwin is when he comes back, but we know what Chris Godwin and Mike Evans have been. We know that past the game. You know what I mean. And then they have Vita Veya. You know what I mean. They got Tristan worse they. You know what I mean. They, you, you. Tampa has a good roster. You know what I mean. They got Tristan Wirfs. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Tampa has a good roster yeah.
Speaker 1:And when you start talking room against room, there's not many rooms that we win preseason, so my brain is hard to pick them, but at the same time.
Speaker 3:I think our offensive line is better than theirs.
Speaker 1:Even with our injury.
Speaker 3:They have Tristan Wirfs injured too, like you said, so we're kind of canceled and that's their best alignment. That ain't our best alignment. Our best alignment, the offensive alignment that we have out, it's unfortunate. It just so happened to be the blonde side for a guy that basically is a rookie. So like that's the negative, Fair Defensively, their pass rush. Yeah, they've got Vita Vea, but that's up the middle, that's not pass rush. I mean, I'm not trying to be funny, Kirk Cousins had a field day twice against them, so like there's that.
Speaker 1:Like our team-to-team comparison doesn't really drive my analysis. It's our team versus our opponents, versus their team on their opponents, and I'll tell you when I actually calculate the games up later tonight or tomorrow before we record it. I may be singing a different tune after I do it game to game. Right but have you won the division? The last? What? Three years, four years?
Speaker 3:Well, even more of a reason. How often does that happen in many NFL divisions?
Speaker 2:It doesn't. You know, this isn't the.
Speaker 3:Braves in baseball, where teams just rattle off that many in a row, it just doesn't happen. I think our time is now and I look at it this way and we talked about this in pre-production, when you were going to unveil your shocking you know prediction. I unveil your shocking prediction I still can't do it.
Speaker 3:At the end of the day, baker Mayfield threw for 4,500 yards and 40 touchdowns and they won nine games and they got swept by the Falcons. So how much better can he be? To where that changes this season? I don't think he can be that much better.
Speaker 3:I think that the unknown of Michael Pinnock it all comes down to how good Michael Pinnock is. I said this last week with the Texas prediction over Ohio State. How good is Arch Manning? I would like to believe in the hype. Now, that is biasness. I want to believe in the hype of Michael Penix, but objectively I think he is going to be that guy because of everything that I saw in college, like so, and that's just an objective stance on it. But even subjectively, if you look at it, kalen DeBoer looks like a sorry piece of shit today to everybody and he had Michael Penix in Washington and in Indiana and that's how he got the Washington job and then from the Washington job to the Alabama job. Now he don't look all that good now, does he? I think Michael Penks has a fucking rocket in his pants and on his arm.
Speaker 3:New Kung Fu Kitty. Yeah, I set it up.
Speaker 1:You got big Penix energy. You got big Penix energy.
Speaker 2:I am all on board.
Speaker 3:I will eat crow Sunday if he comes out there and he shits the bed. Now, if we lose the game and he doesn't shit the bed, I'm not eating crow.
Speaker 1:Will you eat cock though?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:Can we go to 10 after the game?
Speaker 3:You know it always is going to depend, but would I like to yes, okay yes, um, I don't care to talk about the Saints or the Panthers.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 3:Well, we have nothing to talk about the Aints so we can skip them. But I will talk about the Panthers, just because they did beat us in that last regular season game and how hot, and this will be a one-liner, damn near. But you know, obviously it's all about Bryce Young there. They drafted Ted McMillan or whatever, we'll see how that goes. They traded Adam Thielen who definitely was his guy last year. They don't have a good defense, so that's a known thing.
Speaker 2:They got a lot of reference.
Speaker 3:I think that they will be a frisky team for the average teams. So for, like, the teams that are the fringe seven like you're Cowboys, you're seven and ten to ten and seven type teams, those are going to be frisky games for them, but the elite will always take care of them. So, and again, with the Saints, we don't have anything to talk about, so we can move on All right, matt.
Speaker 1:You ready to get to our award predictions, our superlatives?
Speaker 3:Absolutely. You name them out and then we'll just go, because I know that we're running short on time.
Speaker 1:So for MVP I got Lamar and J Love, and that's leaning into my Super Bowl prediction.
Speaker 3:So wait, one's your favorite, the other is the Dark Horse, right.
Speaker 1:Lamar is my favorite. J Love is my Dark Horse.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm not mad at it, I hate to. It's not even chalk, but I think because of how bad he's played relative to his standards, I've got Pat Mahomes as my favorite pick. Yeah, well, because I like Pat, I do like Pat to have a bounce back year.
Speaker 3:Statistically, the Chiefs, I don't think, are going to win 15 games, but they'll win 11 or 12, and he'll put up the numbers again because he's got a healthy receiving court and then it's probably Travis Custis last year, but I'm going to take Pat as my favorite and then, honestly, dark horse-wise, I would just go out there. I'll put my penis on the line, michael.
Speaker 1:Penix.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do, but obviously I feel that way not just because of the biases. I drafted him in fantasy, that's the energy Rise up.
Speaker 1:Parlay, pete. Sorry, I cut you off.
Speaker 3:We didn't even have this show but a lot of people they might not want to hear this, but in our fantasy league I drafted Lamar Jackson the year he won MVP the first year and I took a flyer on him and it paid dividends.
Speaker 1:I won the league.
Speaker 3:So, like, I think that Michael Penix has a chance to have one of those type of years, especially if the Falcons win 12 games. I think we're going to win 11, but, like, if we win like 12 games and we're, like you know, the second, third seed, maybe who knows, maybe even one, don't be surprised if Michael Penix throws for 4,000 yards and 35 touchdowns.
Speaker 1:So here's what I got for OPOY. I got Bijon got for OPOY, I got Bijan for my OPOY and I got Saquon as my dark horse. And I know, if you look at the odds, it should be opposite.
Speaker 3:Considering last year.
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, but based on what I believe they'll do, I believe that Bijan has the most potential for a better season and a better narrative shaped around that season that drives the votes, than Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:I also don't expect Saquon Barkley to go back-to-back 2,000-yard seasons, so, with him having a lesser season and the team maybe not performing at the same level that it did the year before, even if he's performing better or really well, it's not going to be framed the same way, as opposed to the Falcons having a plus 500 record throughout the season and B John having a plus 500 record throughout the season and B John having a big season.
Speaker 3:Okay, I think we're on the same page there. So I do like B John as my favorite and I know it would be like, well, hold on. So the Falcons just going to sweep the Lords yeah, this is a Falcons show. So yeah, I am going to say that. But no, no, no, no. But that's why Pennix is my dark horse. I don't think he's going to win it.
Speaker 3:But if I had to pick somebody that nobody expects, I do expect him. But I do kind of expect Bijan to have that type of year because I think that Tyler Algier will be used. But I think he's going to kind of be phased out because he is a. It's going to be a breather thing for Bijan, like, hey, he's the wear and tear. I don't think it's a matter of oh, it's third down, let's not put you in. He's a better receiving back than Tyler Algier. Tyler Algier will be used for short yards in goal line situations, and my hope is that Zach Robinson has them both on the field, like he did sometimes last year. I like the idea of having both of them on the field at the same time. But yeah, he's my favorite. And if I had to pick a dark horse. I'll tell you somebody who I don't think a lot of people are thinking of, that could have like one of those years where you're like, what did I just see?
Speaker 1:Tell me more.
Speaker 3:Malik Neighbors. I think Malik Neighbors could have one of those years. I think that he could have a 1,700-yard 15-touchdown year because he doesn't really have any help around him and he is going to get the ball. It's going to depend on his health.
Speaker 1:I know he's a little banged up, but with Russ I think to start, and then even Jackson Darn if he can be somewhat even what he was in preseason, I think Willie Davis can have a huge year. Okay, so for DPOY, we know what the obvious pick is yeah, that's my pick and I don't have a dark horse. Yeah, and I don't have a dark horse, because I'm thinking about who's going to be productive, but also who's going to have the story and this, that and the third that creates that vibe.
Speaker 3:And then who hasn't gotten it yet? Because TJ's got one, obviously, Miles has one Miles has one. Yeah, max doesn't have one. Sir Tam got it last year.
Speaker 1:Right, max doesn't have one, but I don't know if they'll be good enough and I don't believe in JJ Hutchinson. I don't believe in Hutchinson, like, look at the odds.
Speaker 3:Not losing his defensive coordinator. No.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I just don't believe him enough. So all I got is Micah, and there's no other place in my brain that I could provide a person to our listeners that I truly believed in, without just looking at odds and giving them somebody.
Speaker 3:I'll give a dark horse.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:And that's Will Anderson. Will Anderson will be a good one to use because that defense is going to have to play better this year. They're projected they were literally the top-rated defense in the draft. I don't know if you saw that A lot of people expect a lot of good things out of Texas. He's got Daniil Hunter on his end, he's got Stingley as a corner and again their running game might be nonexistent to start. I think the defense is going to have to do heavy lifting and he's got a defensive coach. He's a logical pick if you want to go dark horse.
Speaker 1:So I'll say Will Anderson. He was who I was thinking about for dark horse, but I didn't believe it enough in my heart to predict it. But because you brought it up, I'll talk about it. So for offensive rookie, I don't have a leader in a dark horse because I got one person on both rookie, on both rookies. You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm going Travis or Jenty for offensive. Uh, ricky, and again, that's. That's based off of of of of odds potential. I doubt cam ward is good enough, because they have to win eight games. Yeah, I just don't think Cam Ward has enough around him and a team that's going to be good enough that allows him to be in that conversation, even if he's the highest performing rookie. So I'm going Travis Urgenti.
Speaker 3:I'm with you on that, I 100%. I think that those would be the two favorites for sure. But I would probably lean Travis because I think that if he gets three interceptions but he also has six touchdowns and 900, 800 yards, receiving with 65, 70, catches you kind of don't have a choice but to give it to him. I'm going to roll with Travis Hunter as mine.
Speaker 1:For defensive. This is fully my bias. I got Travis, I got Jalen Walker. I really want to throw old Pierce in there too.
Speaker 3:I do too.
Speaker 1:I think that he's going to be in there too. I do too. That's what I was waiting.
Speaker 3:I think. I think that he's going to be more of the pass rusher, anyways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think Pierce is going to be the sack guy.
Speaker 3:Yep, and I think that even with that, I mean Lewis Reddick said it, he said something about him leading it and I don't think he's going to lead the league in sack.
Speaker 3:I don't think that, with the pass rush room that we have, that it's far-fetched to believe that he could have a 10-sack year. I don't, I don't, I really don't. So, like a lot of people, don't realize this man and I know you're Rocky Top you were wearing your overalls. I'm sure anyone that follows the page saw Lee wearing his overalls this weekend. But yeah, he was projected to be the top pass rusher off the board before college football started last year. A lot of that stuff was just you know him.
Speaker 3:It was personal, yeah, and so if the talent is the talent, I mean no, no, no, but I'm just saying there were some places that were saying he could be the number one pick, Like that's how, if you go back and look at Yahoo Sports Bleacher Report, all this stuff, there were people that were saying that he was the best prospect potentially heading into the season. So I'd like to see it come true with the defensive head coach and then with Ulbrich dialing it up, Because these guys are on their last legs in the league in terms of being in that position that they're in today.
Speaker 1:Hey, and you got to respect his swag because he did bag Rekia Jackson and she is an attractive WNBA player but also a famous WNBA player.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, rekia.
Speaker 1:But for him to lock it down, it speaks to who he was, why he was at Tennessee too, because you know her reach is something. She wasn't just some fine shit. She was some fine popping shit. Coach of the year.
Speaker 3:See, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:I got Vrabes as my pick Because I just think he makes the Patriots obviously better and people like the narrative of variable back in New England. But my dark horse, Coach Ra Ten win. Coach Ra, that's my dark horse.
Speaker 3:So my favorite is Sean Payton. I think that a lot of of, especially with even the media hypes up, it wouldn't surprise me at all I'll walk off this broadcast right now yeah, I know you hate him, but at the end of the day, I think, based on everything that I've seen, look at this guy.
Speaker 3:He's showing off his guys. That's really what he's doing. But I think that overall, if I had to make a choice, I think that Sean Payton would be that pick. I could see Denver having one of those years where, if Bo Nix takes the next step, if everything goes the way that it should go, I don't see a reason why Denver wouldn't potentially be able to supplant Kansas City in terms of in the win column for the division. And if he does that and they win 12 games, I could easily see Sean Payton winning that award this year, especially because he is a good coach. And that's just the truth.
Speaker 1:You know I've been back for a second. I didn't realize that the camera was like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's showing your art.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's showing George Costanza. Yeah, that's nasty work, by the way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a little crazy, you know.
Speaker 3:But I mean, if you're a seinfeld fan, you get it yes, yeah, and I was telling the people um that certainly are watching live or we'll replay this. Then I was like he's just showing off his new camera equipment but, um, no man, it ai tracks on its own.
Speaker 1:So when I got up it did all of that, but hey, I know You're showing off the equipment.
Speaker 3:That's the point.
Speaker 1:We're running out of time here. Comeback player of the year really quick. My long shot is Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 3:Will he be considered for that award?
Speaker 1:I think I tell you my long shot's kirk cousins.
Speaker 3:Somebody gets hurt, he comes back and leads them to the playoffs. That's my long shot, but the favorite. I have to think about who, the who, who went down last?
Speaker 1:year. Um, we got five minutes to get the pick, so hurry up the college is gonna, so we're gonna bring through college pick guys.
Speaker 3:Uh, because either way it's not gonna get posted, so I'm not gonna do any explanation for that. But, um god, I can't even think of a combat player who got hurt well.
Speaker 2:Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Parley Peas College Football 666.
Speaker 3:So one of the things that we can't say just real quick because I am going to brush through these. We're not any explanation for the picks, I'm just going to say them. But we did go 5-1 last week on the college picks, texas being the only one that ruined it. So we'll start off with that same team that ruined it. We're going to take Texas minus 20.5 first half against San Jose State. And then we're going to go to Baylor at SMU, we're going to take SMU Moneyline. Then we're going to go Illinois at Duke. We're going to take IllinoisU Moneyline. Then we're going to go Illinois at Duke, we're going to take Illinois Moneyline. Ucla at UNLV I like over 53.5. Arizona State at Mississippi State, arizona State Moneyline. Then we got Iowa at Iowa State Maybe the easiest money of the week Iowa State minus three at home.
Speaker 2:Bet you like it, I love it, ladies and gentlemen, it is time for paul ap six six, six, six.
Speaker 3:so like, uh, like, we kind of explained here because I've definitely got to keep this short because editing is a fucking bitch, but nonetheless I had already wrote down everything that I needed to get. So we're going to make this very, very quickly with these picks so that I don't have to edit. Anyhoo, we're going to start off with the player props. So this one's for anyone that has FanDuel or whatever. We're going to take over 69.5 Tyreek Hill's yards against the Colts. The Colts had the 26th ranked pass defense. Enough said. Next we got the Pittsburgh Steelers at the New York Jets. I like Aaron Rodgers to get some revenge. Give me the Pittsburgh Steelers minus 2.5. Next we got the Monday night game. We got the Minnesota Vikings at the Chicago Bears. I like the Bears as a dog at home. I think that everything opens up really well for them. Next we got the Rams game. We got the Rams-Texans Two teams that can score. I don't understand why this over-under is this low. I really like over 43.5, so we're going to take the over.
Speaker 3:Next we got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the Atlanta Falcons. I will be in attendance. Come on, guys. Falcons money line, and this isn't even biased. I just really think we're going to win it. I like to say plus odds. Next, the final game on this slate We've got the Cincinnati Bengals at the Cleveland Browns. Joe Burrell finally played in some preseason games and I think that they're tired of getting off to slow starts and the Browns are just not good. Bengals minus five.
Speaker 1:For the sake of time. If you like it, then I love it.
Speaker 3:And when you love it. Typically that means it's time for.
Speaker 2:Lee's, three Lee's three.
Speaker 3:Lee's three we sound like we rode the short bus when we do this. We got to get this AI thing together. We got to get it figured out? No, because I'm trying to get it on the same accord and we don't.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, hey. So for Lee's three, here's what we got. You know what I like? The Falcons on the money line. You can take that and send it to your dealer. I like the Bengals minus five. I love it. And because I prefer to bet on the NFL than college when I don't know what's going on, let me take another NFL pick. Give me the Steelers minus two and a half. When Aaron Rodgers goes and beat those Jets, that's Lee's three. Hey, parley Pete, we've got a minute. Is there anything else you want to say besides? Brittany Renner really messed the bag up by recording right before he signed the big deal and thought she was going to expose him.
Speaker 3:Well, I think you already said enough by saying that. What I will say is that, guys, if your phone conversations are recorded, remember that they're being recorded.
Speaker 1:Exactly, hey, pj, don't invite nobody to sack when, when you're being recorded, because you could have gotten that scot-free oh well, I was talking more about Young Thug, but we'll move on from there oh well, yeah, yeah, but hey guys, we'll be back next week. Hey, pete, I'm gonna call you in a minute all right, let's do it all right out of here people.
