What Happens When A Franchise Finally Says Enough

The ground just shifted under Atlanta. We open with the Falcons’ full reset—Raheem Morris, Terry Fontenot, and Rich McKay all out—and dig into why the timing matters. Firing McKay wasn’t a footnote; it unlocks a true rebuild where a GM and head coach can finally share one vision. We get specific on the profile this team needs: a leader like Matt LaFleur who isn’t OC-dependent, a culture setter like John Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin, and a staff that keeps the new pass rush real. The through line is alignment. Without it, smart drafts and splashy signings get swallowed by chaos. With it, Atlanta can build a quarterback plan everyone owns.

Then the NBA detonates our rundown: Trey Young to Washington. We react in real time—what the Hawks actually gained, whether the value matches the player, and how much media narratives warped the market. The case for Trey is simple: 25 and 10 primary creation still drives wins with the right ecosystem. Washington can give him spacing, lob threats, and a front office that understands his gravity. For the Hawks, this only makes sense if it’s step one, not the finish line—turn expiring money and flexibility into a real co-star for Jalen Johnson and a system that moves the ball and the defense.

All of this plays out during the most unpredictable NFL season in years. We hit the playoff field with a parity lens—complete teams over loud ones, trench play and coaching edges over September takes. Jacksonville’s balance, Buffalo’s ceiling, Seattle’s sideline advantage, and why one game changes everything. It’s a reminder that January football rewards identity and discipline more than hype.

If you’re here for honest, no-spin Atlanta sports and sharp playoff logic, you’ll feel right at home. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a smarter sports talk feed, and drop your take: did Atlanta finally make the right calls?

Transcript

Cold Open, Music Mix-Up, Setting Vibes

SPEAKER_10 0:36

AC Lee. How we doing, buddy? We're doing good in this glorious first Wednesday of twenty twenty-six, my friend. How are you?

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Ah man, not too bad. I I know this looks bad, but I was looking for this uh this this. I was looking for a song. I don't think I got the right one because I thought it was a great way to start it off.

SPEAKER_10 1:12

I was about to say, I couldn't tell what the hell we were just listening to, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Yeah, I I this is not what I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_05 1:20

I said the bridge is over.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Oh, that's right. I typed in the bridge is over instead of destroying rebuild. Because I I just think it's you know this thing like telling some stories. Did you ever go through a Nas listening phase?

SPEAKER_10 1:44

Um, no, not where I was just like dissecting and going through um his all of his like no, no, but it's there's Nas that I like though, obviously. There's plenty of Nas I like.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

I went through a Nas phase for a little while. I appreciate it, but I don't want to listen to it often. Now I like him on that quick to back down, though. I like him when he I I like I like the lyrical niggas when they get on that southern shit.

SPEAKER_10 2:17

Yeah, I think uh he certainly was somebody that brought it, and then he was he did uh Brave Hearts too. Uh made the look. Yeah, oh yeah, the remix. That's a yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Yeah. The remix is crazy. Jada K. Yeah, yeah. Here we go. This is this is this is all around.

SPEAKER_05 2:41

Nah, we're strong skills on the same. This is the time we destroy it, rebuild it.

Falcons Shock: Sunday Firings

SPEAKER_01 2:50

The bridge is over. This is the time that we restore and rebuild. Destroy and rebuild, excuse me. Where the fuck up an opening rant, but you know, we got the news on Sunday. Coach Ra fired. Terry Fontno fired. And Rich McKay. Hold on, no, no, no. I'm just talking about Sunday. Just on Sunday. We get that. And I tell you, I don't know how I feel about this. Now that the season is over, I think about it. Yeah, Ra has Ra made mistakes, but he hadn't been a head coach in like 12-15 years. He was relearning how to be a head coach and manage a whole team and this and that. I oh no. And installing his program, trying to get it the quarterback situation has still been weird. But the team was eight, the team improved when he got it. It stayed the same year too, record-wise, but we did see growth in areas that we were looking for. We saw some decline in some other areas, but we saw growth in areas that we were looking for. You know what? Maybe we do run this back for a third year at Raw, and we don't fire Terry because look again, Terry. I think Terry Fontenau is a really good GM, and even in his mistakes, quote unquote, it it's layered, right? So I go, I think we fired competent people who were building towards something. Now we're gonna have to restart it all over again. And as a team that's been starved from the playoffs, I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that. But then Monday comes. Rich McKay gets fired. And now we're rejoicing. You know what?

SPEAKER_05 4:53

Rich we are all here to kill whatever.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Hey, palley Pete, the Falcons have decided to destroy and rebuild, and we have the chance to rise up. Rich McKay is gone. Terry Fontenau is gone. Raheem Morris is gone. Tell me how you feel about it.

Adding McKay: Clean Sweep And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_10 5:18

Well, I think like everybody else, I was surprised. Is is the first words that come to my mind is surprised. Not because they didn't deserve it or anything like that. I just thought that the Falcons would continue to be status quo and do what the Falcons do. And that's that, not rise up. That's that. It's keeping that type of stuff going and constantly having the same thing going. I was surprised. But was the right call made? 1000%. And twice on Sunday. They had to do this. And I think that when you had sent me a message and you had said this was before I think it was before the Saints game even had started. I think you had said it maybe. Or maybe it was right after it ended. I don't remember. No, you said it before the game. It was before the game. Because you had said that you thought that we should keep Ra. And then I ironically sent you the Trey Young cycle. And I didn't put any words with it, I only sent you that. Because to me it's a similar situation. I know we'll get to Trey Young here in a little bit, but we gotta stop doing the same thing over and over again. My thought was you either keep you keep them all or you get rid of them all.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

There was no in between. Yes, that was me. When when when Rich wasn't announced to be gone, but we fired those two.

SPEAKER_10 6:40

It didn't matter, right. At that point, at that point, it's just kind of like more much ado about nothing. This is more of the same.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

It's like we're taking a step back because we're bringing in new people and they're gonna want to do their new shit. And we're also show showing the league that we're becoming an unstable franchise because we're running through coaches fast now, right? But then when you fire Rich McKay, it changes the whole thing. And if you know, you know.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

Right.

SPEAKER_10 7:09

Oh yeah, so but all in all, this is what this boiled down to. Ra underachieved, he underachieved. I agree with you, obviously. As we saw, there were parts of the team that needed to improve that did. We're second, we finished second in the NFL with sacks. You had a double-digit sack guy for the first time since Vic did his all-probe year. Shout out to Fo. Yeah. And shout outs to 27 because we got ourselves a dog finally on the edge. And so a guy that we can hang our head on that's gonna be here for a decade, and it's gonna be a double-digit sack guy. Something that we just haven't had. That was especially something that we never really homegrown. Pat Kearney is like the last person I can think of that we, I mean, I know Vic had this season, but I'm talking about consistent pass rushes that we actually drafted. Hasn't been since Pat Kearney.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

And so real quick, I'm happy that it was a 27 pick and not the 11 pick, because we're gonna get shit on for not making the playoffs and trading that pick, but at least that pick was the person who was the who was the better of the two. And if you know, you know why I drafted later in the first round. It wasn't a talent problem.

SPEAKER_10 8:25

Well, but and and and the other thing is we got Xavier Watts in the deal, too. Like that was the third round pick that we traded, giving them our second last year. That's what we got in return. They're third, and that's what we took we took with that third pick. The Falcons knocked it out. They, as far as I'm concerned, it remains to be seen because we don't know what the Rams are gonna do with that pick. But as of today, I would lean more towards it. The Falcons won the trade, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

And so Well, it's similar to what's happening with New Orleans, and people are shitting on Joe Dumas for giving up their lottery pick for Derrick Queen. And it's like, well, have you seen Derrick Queen play basketball in the NBA? He may be better than the guy that ends up becoming that pick. But again, you know, networks like ESPN, Fox, whatever major network, yeah, y'all, y'all gotta go out here and give a take on something before we actually get to watch this shit play out. Some of this stuff it takes two, three, four, five years before you know if it's a good move or not.

SPEAKER_10 9:31

Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_10 9:33

And then it gets to Terry. With Terry, this is point blank why Terry got got. Two reasons. When he got here, we needed to figure out this quarterback situation. After five years, no cap it was the cap. Nah, I know it was the cap, but I'm just saying, in general, the Matt Ryan succession plan, everything was already that was gonna be in focus apart like him. So during that five-year stretch, though, you don't figure out the quarterback situation. So that's one. Two, at the end of the day, we had no winning seasons in five years. So you're not winning football games or enough of them, you're not winning enough football games, and you have a quarterback issue. He's gonna get got because of those two things.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

You know, bake pie, you sound like a number cruncher right now. I'm I'm not gonna what I'm doing. You sound like you didn't watch the games. I watched the games. Oh, I know you did, but I'm just saying because when we talk about Terry, we know that Terry did not have roster say when he first got the job.

SPEAKER_10 10:51

We we watched the press conference, yeah. Well, and then we just based on the picks, we know what the head coach and his preferences are, and obviously it's like, well, we know whose pick that was.

Raheem’s Growth Vs. Underachievement

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Right, and then you have Arthur Smith. The Arthur Smith years really fucked Terry, and Terry didn't hire Arthur Smith. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Arthur was hired before Terry was hired, right? And even if even if the the ink was whatever, they were hired independently of each other. And what we know about football is you need a marriage between owner, GM, and coach, and the way that usually works is the own uh the coach and the GM having a a marriage, a football marriage, that then they feed that to the owner and they get the owner to buy into it. That's how you that's how you like build a good franchise, right? Uh and so we didn't have a good marriage. So we have the the Matt Ryan first year, cat pale, let's figure it out. Oh, it's a shitty quarterback year when we got the four pick. Like we can't get Trevor Lawrence. Okay, we're fucked. You know what I mean? Yeah. So we get we do it, we we do what we do. Oh no, that wasn't Trev's draft. I'm tripping. No, no, that the Trev was 20. That was the pitch. No, no, no. Oh no, he's 2020. Yeah, yeah, but the pitch draft, right? That's when we got pits. Yes, but we couldn't get Trev. Oh, yeah, that was a shitty quarterback draft. It was supposed to be a great one, and it ended up being shitty because what? Justin Fields isn't a good NFL quarterback. Zach Wilson doesn't get to play NFL snaps. Uh, who else was in that class? Tua. No, two was Joe Burrow the year before.

SPEAKER_07 12:44

You're right. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Yeah, so, but, anyways, we were in that range. We couldn't get Trevor Lawrence, so we were fucked. Shout out to Duval, my number two team now. Um, we're officially admitting that on air, huh? Oh, absolutely. Nigga, if Trevor Lawrence brings the Super Bowl to the ville, I'm going to Jacksonville for the goddamn parade. Are you crazy?

SPEAKER_10 13:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

You're fucking right. My nigga Duval down there, my homegirl Tower out there. Shout out to my niggas in Duval. Man, you crazy hell, boy. If Trevor Lawrence wins the Super Bowl, I'm and I'm off, I'm going, nigga, I'm going to Duval. Yeah. I'm going. Yeah. But, anyways, so Terry really, he fucked up at quarterback and the really, really the the the the the place where he was quote, where he can quote unquote be hit for it. But we know that it's probably more so of a marriage of scheme thing was missing out on Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield and going with um with uh uh uh uh Desmond Ritter. You know, because the Kirk Cousins thing wasn't wrong. I'm not gonna knock Terry for what happened with Kirk Cousins. I blame that more on coaching and medical, you know what I mean? Yeah, because we talked about this when this happened, but Kirk Cousins was supposed to be our starter to start the season. That's correct. And if Kirk Cousins starts this season, niggas don't get fired. If a healthy Kirk Cousins starts this season, which he was, and he was the guy throughout through the offseason, trend camp and all of that, and he actually didn't say fuck these niggas like he did for a little while, because we know he would say that in his head. Well nobody gets fired, which is probably worse for the uh worse for the franchise because Rich McKay keeps his job, but we we get to the playoffs, and so we're happier.

SPEAKER_10 15:02

Well, we're more accepting of our circumstance because we're happy with ultimately having this result, even if it's just a band-aid over something that's been chronic for years now. Um, I don't know. I I think that Terry and Rob are what they are. I'm not gonna look back at this as a fond time, honestly. I think that uh lifetime. Terry deserves credit for bringing in the talent. It's unfortunate he's not gonna get to see it flourish all together, but you know, hopefully he'll be able to get a job. I don't know if Terry gets a GM job again, but Terry deserves a GM job.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Like, like Terry was good enough at building a roster that says he deserves a GM job. In the right organization, too. Yeah, because I I don't think Terry is the reason that we went into an offseason saying Desmond Ritter is our starter, no matter what. Because again, that was under Arthur Smith, where we know that Terry did not have final say on the 53. So if you don't have final say on the 53, you it it. I'm not saying he wasn't interested in, I'm not gonna say he was interested in Baker or Sam Darnold. You know, Sam Darnold, the guy with who has the number one seed going to the playoffs. Baker Mayfield, who's made the playoffs in Tampa every year he was there except for this year. But he's had well Baker has had the best record in the NFC South every year he's been in it. You know, that guy? Yeah, well, except this year. No, no, no, he was what, eight, nine? He still had the best record. He's tied.

SPEAKER_10 16:52

But still wasn't good enough to get him into the playoffs.

Terry Fontenot’s Tenure And The QB Void

SPEAKER_01 16:55

Nobody has won more games in the NFC South than Baker Mayfield since he got there. Yeah. So, so, so, yeah, the Glazers, they did right in Tampa. You know what I'm saying? But like, I don't that's my only knock on Terry and him not wanting to go after Baker or Sam Darnold based on what they had done as NFL quarterbacks. I do understand it. I don't agree with it because I would have gone after Baker. I would have never touched Sam. I would have gone after Baker.

SPEAKER_10 17:33

I would have touched either of them because there should have been some sort of a competition for Ritterworth. Well, yes. And the point blank period. Like Des and Ritter should have never ever been given the keys to anything.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Like if the head coach says this is my guy, and he and he has the say over the final 53, and by him getting hired first, we would assume that. And nothing about Arthur Smith's track record says that we should trust his roster management, honestly. Yeah, like he's a good OC. But like well, Giuseppe. Hi, Giuseppe. Uh, thanks, Diddy. We appreciate Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 18:16

Shout out to Brother Love, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yeah, yeah. If he if he rocks with us, we appreciate the love. And you know what? We don't appreciate all the things that you did, but we do appreciate the music that you've made. Like, hey, I still listen to bad boy music. I look, uh, I won't stop, can't stop, won't stop. Take that, take that. Words I'd never tell a woman, right? But no, like, I just think Terry is getting Terry just got bro, Terry got fucked. I don't because he's black, I care about this because I don't know if he'll ever get to be a GM again. But Terry deserves to be a GM again, and I think you could you could agree with that, even though I yeah, no, I agree.

SPEAKER_10 19:00

He definitely deserves another shot, and he's young enough to where he could get one, but obviously, but we've seen time and time again, just in the yeah, that but he's that's and think about that's coaching. But like I'm saying, as a GM, we just know that it's very rare that a GM gets a second crack at being a GM. Doesn't matter how their tenure went. I mean, look at Thomas Dimitro, he has not gotten a second crack at it, and maybe it's because of just how bad it did end with him, but and then he never really had a complete draft class because I give Dan Quentin the credit for that draft class for the Super Bowl year. That was DQ, obviously, that picked out all those players. So it wasn't him. But it's hard to get a second crack at a GM. But he's young enough to where I think that he'll work his way in another organization. Maybe he goes back to New Orleans. You know, Carrie would be a good fit for an organization. He wouldn't be the GM, but he'd be a good fit for an organization like a Pittsburgh, Baltimore. Or Green Bay, even Dallas to the degree. Um, because these are teams that have done well with drafting, like when you think of homegrown players, and that's something that I think that Terry can hang his hat on.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

That's Dallas is gonna bring in a black man to be a voice that has to be respected. Why? You don't think Jerry, you think Jerry's a racist? No, I'm not calling Jerry racist. I said they call him a control freak? Yeah. Okay. A control freak with um him and his son Steven? Yeah, control freak with biases. A biased control freak. I you know you want to go be a running back or a receiver in Dallas. I don't think you want to go work in the front office of a black man in Dallas. Yeah, you'll be respected as talent that doesn't think in Dallas. I don't know if you're gonna be respected as talent that is paid to think in Dallas. That's all I'm saying. No, with the culture that they have in Dallas, having a guy like Terry Fontaine in there and actually giving him influence, hey, that nigga know how to pick players. He know talent. He came up under Mickey Loomis, and I hate the Saints, but you know what? Them motherfuckers know talent. Yeah, they they kept they kept the uh pantry always stocked. Bro, like like like like if we're being honest, the Saints under the Mickey Loomis era, them mother not it's Mickey Loomis, right? Yeah, them niggas know talent. Maybe he goes to Philly and and now he's black, and I can't say what I want to say because you know, uh we don't want to get canceled, but he won't have a voice there either.

SPEAKER_10 21:59

Well, it's how he's show, but like I'm just saying, he can bring him on, you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

And it's Jeff's it's Jeff's show, too.

SPEAKER_10 22:06

Um, have you heard about who everybody is linking our uh GM position to?

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Uh I saw somebody.

SPEAKER_10 22:17

Uh the assistant GM for the Bears.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Uh I think his name's Yeah, because we got Ryan Poles in our building. I don't want that bitch. Like, like, like, don't get me wrong, excuse me. Let me change my language. Because, sir, you are not a bitch. But no, I I don't want anybody from the bears. I'm sorry. I I don't want anybody that that that comes from Ryan Poles. Because I've seen what the Bears have been without Ryan Poles, and that's a division-winning team. They just won a division with them. Huh?

SPEAKER_10 22:51

Ryan Poles, he's still a GM.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Oh, not Ryan Poles. I'm sorry. Uh, not poles. Uh shit, you're right. It's it's who the fuck did we hire from you?

SPEAKER_10 23:02

Before Ryan Poles, yes, who he took over for. Yeah, he's in our building. Yes, but I'm saying with polls, this is how they've made the connection for the guy's name's Ian Cunningham, but like he's the assessor GM for the Bears. Matt Ryan, I didn't even realize it. Matt Ryan and Ryan Poles played together at Boston College.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's so so throw out everything I just said because I was reading. You're talking about paces. Yes, pace. Pace. I was reading that article because I I think you sent it to me. Yeah. Uh, I read it as pace and not polls. So, like, all of that shit came from it being tied to that pace motherfucker. Fuck him. Well, I imagine he's gone too. They're clean, they've cleaned house completely. So, like, and I know, but I'm just saying, like, when I read the article, I was thinking about Ryan Pace, not Ryan Poles. Right. So, and then the Matt Ryan thing, I'm like, oh golly, we got this the nigga who hired Matt Nagy and drafted Mitchell Trubisky over Sean Watson. Again, I'll never knock a nigga for uh not drafting Patrick Mahomes, but hold on, you didn't draft Sean Watson?

SPEAKER_10 24:12

Yeah, that's the one that'll never make any sense, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

So, like, while we listen to him, never mind Ryan Poles. I actually think Ryan Poles is a pretty good GM because of what he like the shit he did to the to Carolina to get DJ Moore and Caleb Williams for Bryce Young. Yeah, I don't give a fuck how many games your team wins. That nigga know what he's doing.

SPEAKER_10 24:38

Yeah, and so he uh obviously the Matt Ryan connection because now we're expecting Matt Ryan to be the new basically the president of football operations.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

Yeah, he's gonna be Rob Flinka.

SPEAKER_10 24:53

Yeah, so we're expecting Matt Ryan to come in and be that. And if Poles is somebody that he's close with because they did play together in college, and he's already in a position like that, he's recommending him to us. You know, we'll see, right? Because if you're giving a GM a first time, but then he's got to pair him with the coach, and so which which is what gets our next begs the next question. Well, who would the coach be, right?

Ownership, GM-Coach Marriage, And Instability

SPEAKER_01 25:19

And so here's the problem. Here's the problem we have. We gotta wait for LaFleur. Yeah, we're gonna know after this Sunday, but goddammit, we gotta make sure we schedule that that John Harbaugh interview the appropriately. Because the last time we did this coaching search, we fucked it up. We talked to Vrabel and Harbaugh, and we let them niggas leave. Yes. Now, mind you, I think Harbaugh would have left no matter what. I don't I I like the the the Chargers' job was a better job because you have quarterback, you got Justin Herbert.

SPEAKER_04 26:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

So like I get Harbaugh there, but that nigga Vrabel went to go be um a consultant for the Browns. And he just won the division with Josh Allen in it. He his his his system just turned Drake May into what may possibly be the MVP. I hope Stafford gets it. But like that nigga may turn Drake May into the MVP. We had that nigga on the yacht. Yeah, and that nigga don't wear black and red, he wear blue and red. Hey, make sure you schedule the Harbaugh interview the right way, because I think John Harbaugh is a better head coach than uh Matt LaFleur. I do. Only because Harbaugh's done it longer. But I would rather have Matt LaFleur as my head coach because I know I'm not OC dependent. I'd much rather be DC dependent because DCs don't get head coaching jobs like OCs do.

SPEAKER_10 27:15

Well, and the thought would be you already have your DC. That's the one person I think that stays obviously in the building. If they can help it, Olbrick doesn't leave. You don't let them leave. And so a pairing of Matt LaFleur as your head coach would almost assure that Ulrich's gonna be his DC because obviously there's the connection there, they've already worked together. And if and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Ain't nobody ever talked about no fucking Falcons pass rushing now. That's all we want to talk about. So I I think that LaFleur definitely makes the most sense. I mean, obviously, then there's the Matt Ryan connection there as well. It just makes a ton of sense. And a place like Green Bay, they just view it as we just keep going to the playoffs. They're like, man, we've won one playoff game in five years. You know what I mean? Um, they look at it from this is supposed to be Title Town, and we're not having a chance to win titles. You know, they're they they're they're good on the fact that he started what? He was 13 and 3, like two of his first three years. They've only made missed the playoffs once under him.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Like, LaFleur has one of the highest winning percentages to start a career as a coach of anybody. And unlike most coaches, he's actually transitioned quarterbacks in that and still and kept the winning up. Yeah, so like hey, you fire LaFleur and find out that he was enabled by Green Bay, you don't like not fire him because you think he was, you don't not hire him because you think he was enabled by Green Bay. Nah, you fuck around and find out with him.

SPEAKER_10 28:53

Yeah, and and and obviously, similar to Stefansky, he will have plenty of suitors too. A lot of people are gonna want to hire him, but I think that if he does get fired and he does come available, if you're Atlanta, you don't let him leave without signing. And so, um I ain't gonna hold you though. You know what I would really like? What's that? Tomlin.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Oh god, yes. Oh god, yes. But see, but Tomlin, it's the same thing with Harvest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Like I I would like Tomlin. I don't think that's the best move for the franchise, right? Like, but I but I like it because Tomlin is also the type of leader that I am, where we're gonna create a culture here of buy-in, and that's why we're gonna be successful. So that's why I fuck with Tomlin. But nah, my ideal would be B flow as the head coach. No, no, I take that back. No, I would like I really want B flow to be the head coach because he he black looking. I know he likes Dominican, but like a nigga.

SPEAKER_10 30:03

He coaches like one, too.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 30:06

That type of defense, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

And and and Dayball. I would like that to be our like what the Raiders are gonna do with with Brady. Yeah, that's what I would like for us because the best of the Falcons was when we were trying to be Patriot South. Yeah, you know what I mean? That that's what I would like, but I also know that if we're good for two years, maybe even one year, Dayball's gone. And now we're playing the offensive high. Uh now we're playing the offensive coordinator game that both of us want to avoid, you know what I'm saying?

Coaching Targets: LaFleur, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Flo

SPEAKER_10 30:57

No, absolutely. And but I and that's why you get the best of both worlds with the floor. I think that he fits like a glove coming in here. And again, if you're the Falcons, if you're Arthur Blank at least, now that you're technically the only one still left over from when he was last here, and obviously, I guess if Matt Ryan, you know, certainly is gonna be the you know, who he's gonna be, you do the right thing and you right or wrong because Sark should have never been our offensive coordinator. Should have been the offensive coordinator. It's like it was so obvious, but it was so obvious even at the time. Like, yeah, we he was a relative unknown because the flora left was the OC for like the Titans for like a year.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

The year that got Arthur Smith our job, LaFleur was the OC.

SPEAKER_10 31:41

He was there, but then he also was like the passing, or he was he he did a year in LA too, but those were those were his next two stops. Year year, then um Green Bay hires him, and so and then gets Aaron Rodgers back-to-back MVPs. Back to yeah, he he revitalizes Aaron Rodgers somewhat, like not that A Rodder fell off, but he kept being injured. Oh, he kind of and he wasn't he wasn't he wasn't as good. That's why they draft Jordan Love because you're like, Oh, I don't know, it's got it might be getting ready to end with him, and then he goes out and he plays like like oh, you also y'all gonna try and bret far me.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback I've ever watched, bro.

SPEAKER_10 32:25

1000%. That's a fact. He better Peyton Manning is real close, too. But what it is is Aaron gets the edge because he was, you know, he could run.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

So like bro, the nigga threw for damn near 300 yards on Sunday at 41, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_10 32:38

Like with no receivers, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

Like, I I know Brady's the GOAT, the accomplishments and all of that. But and I'm not talking about guys who have played football and had to like deal with the two people. I ain't talking about that because that's that's different. I'm talking about when you when you watch the game, even Mahomes, fuck him. I ain't never watched nobody play quarterback better than Aaron Rodgers, like, watch with my eyes. I and again, I'm not saying he's the best ever. I I can't call him the GOAT. That would be disrespectful to Brady's accomplishments. And what I watched, like don't even wrong, like Brady, Brady's.

SPEAKER_10 33:20

Oh, yeah, like after after Tom got to play with Randy from there as a quarterback, he was he was that nigga too.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

I mean, yeah, but but at the same time, you're like, yo, it's certain that Aaron can do that Tom could never, and like Aaron, he could play in the cold too, so it wasn't like he was where Peyton. Peyton for the majority of his career was a dome quarterback. That nigga Aaron played in Green Bay, and he'll sidearm flick that bitch 65 on a dot.

SPEAKER_10 33:53

Yeah, yeah, in 30 degree winds, yeah, or 30 mile per hour winds.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

And and this is, I mean, we're probably still somewhere in Falcons first, but I'm gonna take it off. But like, even like Devontae Adams, like I don't think niggas understand how fat he is. He led the league in receptions this season and didn't play what the last two games, yeah, and I think he had missed maybe a game earlier. Like that Aaron Devontae era, that was just some of the most beautiful quarterback to receiver football I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_10 34:28

Same, but same with him and Jordy Nelson. It looked better with Devontae. No, I know, but I'm just saying, Jordy Nelson. Look, he made Jordy Nelson look like a fucking badass out there. Like he looked like he made him look like a top five. He was never a top five receiver, but he made him look like one, you know. Randall Cobb. I just I love it because Aaron Rodgers always he getting his niggas paid, man, and it never they were never out of it. It felt like like like isn't that what you want out of your quarterback, knowing that you've always got a chance, like you're never out of it? Like they're four and six, and you're like, man, them niggas can make they can go on a run for real.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Bro, have you ever watched an Aaron Rodgers? Like, have you ever started an Aaron Rodgers game and be like, oh yeah, I know they're gonna lose. Never, no, like, like niggas believed in Pittsburgh this year. Yeah, Tomlin, he he he he he's never below 500, but you like, oh, Tomlin and Aaron Rodgers? Ah, man, it's just too much. That's what it's too much something over there for them niggas. Like, they deserve to to they didn't deserve to win that game, but they deserve to make the playoffs and win that division because they give Aaron Rodgers and Tomlin. Them niggas got cool off of Aaron doing Tomlin dirty, and Tomlin doing Aaron dirty.

SPEAKER_10 35:50

Yeah, well, they get when they right when he was on the Jets, the the the showmanship that they show each other. But that's obviously the deep respect that they have, both being in the league as long as they've been.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

And they are two, bro, they are they are top one percenters in a top one percenters game, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 36:13

Like like it it makes you wish that Aaron never went to the Jets because maybe he doesn't get hurt on that surface in MetLife, and if he goes directly to Pittsburgh, because Pittsburgh had the need for quarterback just as long as when he left, yeah. So they had that need for four years, and better then. Well, just imagine what they could have already accomplished, and so you know, like think about TJ Watts getting up there in age now, yeah, right? Like he's 31, as or is he 32? What is he? Oh, nigga, our age.

Roster Wins: Pass Rush Arrives At Last

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Yeah, I know he's in his 30s, and so like it's like he's still elite, but like he's also white, and this is not some racist shit, but like when we start talking about like playing DN, that's athleticism, part of that's athleticism, and as black people, like like statistically, historically, there's not a white Michael Jordan. That's all I'm saying. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's not a white Kobe, like a white guy might do that for a year or two, but they're not, they're not nigga. Kobe was 40 and gave nigga 60. Yeah, MJ was 40 and grabbed a nigga's layup off the top of the backboard with two hands and put it on his neck before he landed. LeBron is 40 and caught a oop last night with his hands above the backboard and his head looking down in the realm. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, we ain't never seen a white guy do that, yeah. And because I I care about branding and all of that stuff, it's not to shit on white people because we've also not seen black people do some of the stuff in the white collar world that y'all have done, okay? So hey, we have our stuff, but nigga, Aaron Rodgers, like Patrick Mahomes gets compared to Brady, but he took his game from Aaron Rodgers and all the other nigga quarterbacks because he was raised by his black daddy. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like Patrick Mahomes, he is the ideal mixed quarterback. Like, you know, we put him in the black quarterback category because in America, the one the one drop rule. But he is honestly Patrick Mahomes is a mixed quarterback. He's fast enough, but he ain't fast. Nigga ain't Jalen Hurts fast, and Jalen Hurts ain't known as a fast nigga. You know what I'm saying? Right run. Oh, he'll run your ass over too if you if you play with him. He's good size, even at 6'3, he's like kind of chubby, like he got he got, but he got gut, hips, ass. He got all in thighs, you know what I'm saying? He throw that bitch a country mile, and everybody know, hey, the white boys get to play quarterback, but it's it's just it's just like neighborhood nigga who got a bad form, and he can throw that bitch 80.

SPEAKER_10 39:29

He could do it with one arm, just him.

SPEAKER_01 39:32

He throw that bitch underhand because he taught himself how to throw, watching Vince Young and Michael Vic, but he flinged that bitch.

SPEAKER_10 39:40

So so I was about to bring up Michael Vick because that's what in a weird way, it's like it evolved to obviously a much more accurate version of Vic, but like, because that's how Vic used to. If you look at like the way Vic, I think. Did you put it up? Somebody put it up. I think you put it up. Put up some Vic shit this week. It was the highlights of him. That Monday night game against the Redskins. Yeah, because opening because I remember watching that game. Like everybody, I think I feel like a lot of people remember watching that shit.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Mike, Michael Vick in one game. Like Michael Vick playing his A game. Not a nigga that's ever touched the center's ass can do what he did.

SPEAKER_10 40:25

Cam is close too, though. When Cam plays his when he played his best ball. Yeah, because he ran niggas over. Man, he man, and oof. He was doing it. You gotta remember too. He that nigga. One thing I'll give Cam Newton respect for always is that he never had a receiving core. And so Cam didn't have a receiving core at all.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

But he had great defense and he had a good run game with him. Cam didn't have a team at all. Cam was only prone that motherfucker and and was whooping shit.

SPEAKER_10 40:51

And went undefeated and won a Hodgson and a national championship.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

Hey, you know, I almost uh got in trouble the night he won his natty. What happened? Freshman year at Morehouse. We watching a game in the lobby of Whitehall, one night eight dudes. You heard? Um but nah, I was down there. I had a bottle of uh McCormick's vodka because you know I'm from Cartersville and I started drinking at like 15. So, like, because you know, you know, a lot of Morehouse niggas didn't really start drinking until college, yeah. And you know, niggas like us, we were practic, we were plastic bottle boys in high school.

SPEAKER_10 41:30

That brother, we uh who like, and it was even worse with justice, but like, um you drank Mr.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

Boston before and liked it. You know, like like like I'm I'm like being for real, and like you know, we went to college with niggas who like started drinking Syrah. That was like the first vodka they ever had, and it's like nah nigga, they don't know the struggle. You don't know nothing about getting your niggas older cousin who's home from college to go get you a a$12 bottle of McCormick's the handle raspberry nigga. And we gon' we gonna take some, we're gonna take some goddamn cranberry juice, some orange juice, some Coca-Cola, but we gonna make all types of different drinks out of this shit, and we're gonna re-rock this shit, and it's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_10 42:18

Try and make it taste as good as mass the just mass the straight up taste more than you know it's not no matter what, it was never gonna taste good.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

But like like like I'm the type of nigga who bought a bottle of everclear and I make uh a big nigga. I make a a tote and a container. You were at my 21st birthday party. Nigga, we had a tote of of punch, and that shit had fresh fruit and goddamn a handle of everclear in that bitch, and a bunch of sugar and Kool-Aid, and it boy that shit tasted so good, you didn't know you was drinking 90 proof. That's the type of niggas we are. We we didn't come up off of just cocktails, no nigga. So, like I was making a point here, but I forgot because I started going down the alcohol journey and oh long story short, Michael Vick in one game can't nobody do the shit he was doing. Cam Newton, he's definitely up there with Michael Vick.

SPEAKER_10 43:22

He's close second then.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

Yeah, he's like again, Michael Vick's best day. Like when Michael Vick is decides to be accurate for a day, he can throw the bitch further than goddamn uh what's that nigga that Jamarcus. No, I'm saying he can throw the bitch further than Jeff George, he can run as fast as prime, he can juke as as good as your favorite nigga. Yeah, he's as elusive as any running back you can think. Don't get twisted, Michael Vick broke tackles too. Like that nigga got hurt a lot because he liked contact.

SPEAKER_10 43:54

Michael Vick had a mean spin move as well. Oh, god that people don't talk about. That nigga, he because you know, you don't see quarterbacks really utilize spin a spin.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

Well, that's why I think that's really why I think Michael Vick should get into the Hall of Fame. Well, hear me out, hear me out. I think it should be cre, I think it should be positioned as his influence on the game. It should not be him the player and what he did on the field.

SPEAKER_10 44:21

I can agree with you in terms of yes, influence, right?

SPEAKER_01 44:25

Michael Vick revolutionized football. Like he he showed niggas you bro, bro. You can have a quarterback that runs 4-2 and throw that bitch 80, 80 yards off his back foot.

SPEAKER_10 44:37

So you think that there should be a position, like a spot in the hall of fame, maybe that's called like the pioneer, pioneer spot or something.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

No, I don't think you create a spot, I think you give it out when it's needed.

SPEAKER_10 44:50

But that's not it, almost like uh uh an emeritus type of status, right? Like something new area.

League Parity And Unpredictable Playoffs

SPEAKER_01 44:55

No, I don't want it to be emeritus because I want it to be when it matters, you get this position, you know. I'm saying, like it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_10 45:07

I think they but I but the the point would be though, the person has to almost be a borderline hall of famer to begin with. Yes, they're not just somebody just because like like nigga, somebody can say Jamal Anderson should be in the Falcons Hall of Fame just because he created the Dirty Bird, yes, and had an all time one all-time year, but he wasn't consistent enough, like yes, and if we put him in our ring of honor, he deserves to be there because he impacted our franchise. But that's and that's the pioneering that the influence. I mean, we're called dirty birds to this day because of that, and that was you know, that season was special. I mean, yeah, that season was special. That stuff used to be that used to be my mom's password for things 98 Falcons, or Falcons 98.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Nigga, 98 was one of the best years of our lives, Pierce.

SPEAKER_10 45:56

Yeah, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

I was in kindergarten, I remember, you know. Nigga, I I I was in first grade, and like I know, like it was we were caring about stuff that we didn't even know we were supposed to care about, you know what I mean? And I'll tell you, bro, the crazy thing about that year was the Falcons do that shit '98 into the night, obviously to uh 99. Bro, the next year, Ronnie Brown, them they went stayed at Cartersville High School '99. My football life is crazy because that's Ronnie B's senior year.

SPEAKER_04 46:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:32

Wing T going nuts. Hey, shout out to coach Chris Griffin, my guy. He was winged.

SPEAKER_10 46:38

He's a cow had. Well, he's not, he's brown, but like he's there that's like uh their first cut. That's like his first cousin.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

Hey, look here, man. The brown last name around around these parts. You know how you just wake up and you just see brown everywhere you go.

SPEAKER_04 47:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Well, you niggas come Cartersville, bro. You're gonna see a brown. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 47:06

You don't see a Lawrence?

SPEAKER_01 47:09

No, no, you don't really see them. You're gonna see some browns though.

SPEAKER_07 47:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:14

Honestly, I don't even know the big white families out here. I I I know some of them exist, but and I I don't mean like big and like status, I actually mean like big and like size paws, but like, nah, bro, like them browns. A lot of them. Hey, shout out to C B. That's my guy. I was with C B Friday night, and boy, we got well. I went to VJ crib the other day, boy, and got fucking hammered. What was the occasion? Just Saturday night? The Friday night, and um his baby, him and his baby mom was like, damn, we done got a new crib and you ain't pulled up on us. You a fuck nigga, low key. And I came, I came out there and I said, Y'all got somewhere for me to sleep? I was like, I bet I'll come out there. Cause see, I can't go to DJ's house if I can't spend the night for real, for real. Right. Cause I'm gonna go out, cuz like even if we just chilling, I'm still gonna get fucked up. And because of where he lives and where I live, it it's a lot of obstacles in between. Like he lived 20 minutes from me, right? In a small town. That's too far. Too far. So yeah, nah, we had a good time. Uh, but we have talked a lot about the Falcons and coaches and a lot of other shit. Um let's talk about the rest of the league. Miles Garrett broke the sack record uh this this this this week. I saw it live.

SPEAKER_10 48:51

Uh as it shout out to red zone, and I literally saw it as it right. They kept showing that game and I saw it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

Shout out to Miles Garrett for doing that. Michael Strahan came out hating, saying he did in 16 games, but Miles Garrett did it in reasonably in considerably less sacks. Snaps, yeah, it's like it's like 200 snaps below him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like something insane. Uh, and then you had Jared Allen come out and say, hey, you know, I got 23 and 16. And I sacked Aaron Rodgers, and the league changed it from a sack to a team sack. And I don't know if you sent it to me or I came across it and sent it to you, but did you listen to the Chris Long piece about like the sacks? How he talked about if a sack's not clear and obvious, you have to like actually send that shit into the league. No, I didn't see it. Okay. So Chris Long kind of explained how like the sacks and stuff work, and also there is internal stuff in the team because hey dog, if we got a half a sack together, but I got a million dollar bonus on this, let's let let's send it to the league as mine, and then I'll give you 250. Like this yeah, the stat game is weird because there's money tied to it and and the leagues involved, but long story short, I didn't like Michael Stranhan hating. I thought that was pure hate. Jared Allen, I thought he was hating, but I didn't think he's a hater for hating. Because by his account, he got fucked over by the league. Right. They called it a team sack instead of his sack. So even if they would have gave him the half, he would have tied straight hand in 16 games so he could talk different, or if they gave him the whole sack, he would have been oh, pause, that's crazy. He would have had 17, huh? Yeah, he would have had 23 in 16 games, and Miles Garrett would have tied him and he would be the sack king. And if you're the guy who's done that, I look here. I don't know if a nigga broke my my Bartow County recreation department longest touchdown record, but I hope they didn't.

SPEAKER_10 51:31

How long was it?

SPEAKER_01 51:32

95. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh 2000.

SPEAKER_10 51:37

Running back or a receiver?

SPEAKER_01 51:39

I was a running back, but it was I ran a quarterback sneak.

SPEAKER_07 51:42

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

Okay. It was like so niggas already knew Tucker, he was the quarterback, right? But if I came in for quarterback, we was either passing or running. And uh I broke a quarterback sneak. Someone ran up on me. I trucked that nigga. Another nigga, I gave him a mean step arm, and then after that, out of there.

SPEAKER_10 52:05

So basically, after you got through the second layer of the defense, it was yeah, nigga, it was me one-on-one against a safety. Yeah, you turn it, you turn into uh what's his name? Uh what's the turn?

SPEAKER_01 52:17

No, I ain't turning nobody. I was me.

SPEAKER_10 52:19

No, I know, but I'm saying you were you were the speed runner. Uh what's his name? Wiley coyote versus uh me, me runner.

Rodgers, Quarterback Greatness, And Errors Of Evaluation

SPEAKER_01 52:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Broke runner, yeah. I was out of there. Yeah, and I didn't even know I broke the record. I found out about it because somebody told me they saw it in a newspaper. And I was like, damn, bro, I broke a record. And I and only I only tell that story to say, hey, dog, when you break a record, you don't want anybody to break your record ever. You always want to keep your record, even if you fuck with the young nigga who might break your record and you want the young guys to be great, even if you want the young guys to be greater than you in legacy, that's cool. I don't want nobody to break my record. You know what I'm saying? If Kobe was alive today, I don't think he would want anybody in the modern era to break his 81. Because that Wilt 100 is kind of finicky, ain't no video evidence. Well, we watched, I watched Kobe personally at home on national TV in the room next to this one. Get a get Jalen Rose and the Raptors 81. I know that shit happened.

SPEAKER_10 53:25

Yeah, and I see, I don't have any personal records, but certainly, even as a team, you know, for us, our state championship team, we had the best record at our school. We we won 36 games that year, and like I don't I don't even know if it'll be possible. I mean, you'd have to be playing in a lot of tournaments and shit, and you'd have to win the tournaments. But you don't want to.

SPEAKER_01 53:49

I bet you want them niggas to win state every year. They won last year. So they that was the first time they won since us. They didn't win last year. And you want them niggas to win 34 games or less and win state every year.

SPEAKER_10 54:00

Man, I am pissed. Let me tell you, I saw uh, because I get for whatever reason, I still get emails about it on max prep. And maybe I think when I was in high school, I had signed up for max prep so I could see like the shit. And um, man, they were ranked in the top 10, which break would break our record. At one point, we were the number 10 team. That was the highest that we got ranked, and that's where we finished during the season. We finished in the top 10 in the state. I saw that they were like fourth, and I was like, whoa, y'all niggas too good. Well, I'm just thinking, man, who the fuck they got signed over there now? Like, like, if they in the top four, that means that they got they got some hype coming out of there. Like, there's somebody that's there's a few D1 niggas on that team. It has to be now. If if you're top five in the state of Georgia, and this was not 1A, 2A, 3A, 4. No, this was the entire state. And y'all are Giza school, right? Nah, they so they became GHSA literally the year after I left. Okay. We were the last year at Giza. What what uh what what are they?

SPEAKER_01 55:07

They are I think it's 2A. Let me see. But but the point being, and I'm only painting this for the the viewers. So Giza, that's independent schools, mainly private small schools.

SPEAKER_10 55:22

Uh like for instance, when when Anthony Edwards was still because Holy Spirit is still Giza, they're not GHSA. And again, obviously, you know, that's how I know Demi. Like, obviously, Anthony Edwards went there, like, but like Anthony Edwards also that he he he's an APS product, he's APS baby. Yeah, but his junior and senior year, he's he's there, but yes, yes, he's he's really a nigga from Faral. I mean, that's what he is.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

But like Feral. Yeah, he went to one of them schools named after an important black person. Yeah, so um, hey, bro, like just think about just the social structure of America, and imagine if like the prominent white people in America sent their kids to uh APS. Like if APS was if APS was like the cop uh the Cobb County School District, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so they're the public school, they're going to Langston Hughes and Therrell.

SPEAKER_10 56:24

So they're by the way, they're Georgia Division A D1.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

I don't understand none of that shit no more.

SPEAKER_10 56:33

Yeah, me neither. But they're right right now. They I guess they lost the game. They're number eight, though, in the top ten. But they're number one in Georgia Division A D one.

SPEAKER_01 56:43

Hey, here's the uh who who's number do you have the list or you just are you on their profile?

SPEAKER_10 56:49

I I have the list. Who's number one overall? Yeah, uh Wheeler's number one, Gainesville, yeah. Gainesville's number, but that's not surprising that Wheeler. No, no, no. Yeah, Gainesville two, Alexander three.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

Gainesville got a bag. Do they? Yeah, so they're hiring the head coach from Grayson, who just won state. And Grayson's number four. So they're hiring football or basketball? Football, yeah, but but football, they're hiring Grayson's head coach.

SPEAKER_10 57:22

Well, we know Grayson's always Yeah. Yeah. Woodstock five, Westminster six, Milton seven, Mount Vernon eight, St. Pius nine, Decatur 10. Damn, what the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck happened to uh Norcross? N IL, man. So you saying, you saying up to like Pebble Brook's 22. Pebble Brook always had good teams. Like outside even Colin, like they always they were pretty good. Yeah, they yeah, they niggas. They got Green Forest on here. Uh true story, fun story. You know, obviously, that's what it came down to for us. Before we went to Mount Vernon, it was either gonna be there at Green Forest, that's where we were gonna go. Y'all don't think about St. Pius? No, so let me tell you, I don't think that it was the idea. It was so it was always a basketball decision, and we found out about Mount Vernon via Coach D. So Coach D, because initially Colin and Jordan were supposed to come too. And I don't know Colin's price is different. They didn't want well, the funny thing is they didn't want Colin, which is what's uh now. This was also before this was not him in high school, right? So Colin is like maybe I don't know if it came down to something about it being free or like I don't know, but like hey, hey, hey, that that nigga went lottery.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

Yeah, but like hey, look here, I don't give a fuck what you thought back then. That nigga went lottery.

SPEAKER_10 58:56

You were wrong. No, they were 100% wrong. Um, but yeah, they they were but that's how we found out about it. And with Green Forest, that's obviously a little bit more local because Green Forest is not too far from our. I mean, that's like Decatur, Rainbow Drive. So it's like right there. Plus, we always knew about Green Forest, because even there when we would play Church League, we would play at Green Forest and against Green Forest, their church team. So um, now we were as soon as we got as soon as I got to Mount Vernon, I was sold. I I didn't want to go anywhere else, anyways. Like Green Forest was no offense, it's a nigga school, it's a nigga private school. It wasn't not, it wasn't nice.

SPEAKER_01 59:40

Yeah, it was white women at uh at uh at Mount Vernon and you just couldn't control yourself, huh?

SPEAKER_10 59:47

No, see, but that was what I was afraid of. I was afraid of the idea of not because we hadn't dealt with white people because Tars had white AA teammates and stuff, but like it was more of like I knew that we were gonna go into it, and one of Best parts about it is that I didn't have any control over it. You know, you're gonna be uncomfortable one way or another. Yeah, because we gotta learn for one, you're uncomfortable because I gotta meet new people, and this is before I become a social butterfly. So, like meeting new people was I was a quiet kid.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

Like, I know you were a quiet kid, like yeah, I know. Doesn't that have sounds like you're you're telling me things about you that I don't know, so like yeah, growing up, I consider myself very to myself.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:25

I smoke a lot to my like my family knew that I smoke a lot because I've loved sports and like we would just always talk. I I I for cop for Tarsus at the Georgia Star games and stuff. I used to do the halftime stuff. Uh like I know Coach D's got plenty of videos of that stuff. I that nah, but yeah, growing up for the most part, yeah, I was a very quiet student. Like so, what made you come out of your shell? Once I got to Mount Vernon, honestly. Let's talk more about that. Getting there, it opened up so much of like so. For one, and I I cr I credit and I thank it it helped that Latana came to school with me because we did not know that we were going to school together. Yep. And that he was there. We talked about it on MySpace because he had said that his brother Zimmy had seen Tars at a basketball workout at the school. And like I'm messaging him on MySpace, and I'm telling him, and this is at the time when you know you had your top eight, five, or whatever. Latana was always one of my top friends. We weren't best friends at the time, but we were always really good friends. He's like my best friend in seventh grade. We ate lunch together every day, everything. But we never had class again after that. Like we weren't in the same team for eighth grade, and then ninth grade, same thing. Like we played basketball together in eighth grade, but like we weren't on, you know what I'm saying? Like that was it. So like we didn't see each other as often. And um, and this is before niggas had I didn't get a cell phone till ninth grade, anyways. So it ain't like you could hit up your friends, and if you didn't live in the same neighborhood, like you know what I'm saying? And I didn't live in a neighborhood, so like outside of the people that were in Pine Ridge, those are the only people I would see, and I've known them since I was you know five.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:08

Like, so hey, hey, hey, real quick, the house I went to, that was the house you was in in high school.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:14

Yeah, I grew up in that house. We moved there when I was one. So I've lived there pretty much my entire life, outside of when I was initially born.

Culture, Money, And Perspective

SPEAKER_01 1:02:23

Bro, if I didn't love you as much as I did, I would like just like cast you into like the worst light right now. Why? Because that house is it's a thing, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:37

Well, you know it's funny. We used to that's that was the thing. So everybody at my school knew that I lived there, like everybody knew that.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:44

Hey, this nigga had the fly house.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:47

Well, everybody thought we were rich, like that's what I'm trying to tell you. Everybody's like, Oh, they're rich, and then you know it don't help niggas had pretty hair. Like, I I was a pretty boy type nigga that was quiet.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

Like, did they think you were rich or did they know that you were rich?

SPEAKER_10 1:03:00

No, they thought that I was rich.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

I'm not rich, and so did they think your parents were rich, or did they know that your parents were rich?

SPEAKER_10 1:03:08

They thought, and so, and it didn't help because my mom wanna be rich, boy. No, well, we aren't, we aren't, we're not rich, and so, but like uh somebody can say that we were well to do all okay. I I can take that, but like they people people's perception of what we were is totally different than what I always thought. And now, granted, I'll say this much I did not realize stuff like you know, people would look at this stuff, man, they'd be like, they got nothing but escalades, like shit, like you know what I mean. I didn't get it, I don't but I don't know how much an escalate costs either at that age. Like, I'm gonna go to the case.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:47

Yeah, like when you grow up with a when you grow up with a silver spoon, you don't know how cheap a wooden spoon is. It's okay.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:53

No, you but but well, but the difference is too now, and this is one of the things that's why I love my parents so much. Both my parents grew up poor because whenever I went to their respective homes, whether in Delaware or in Texas, I knew that my parents grew up poor because I saw this shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

You're you're you're a cool, you're a cool rich nigga, because see you still got ties to your family that's not rich. It only gets fucked up when you're not around your rich family. They well my parents would be considered the ones that made it of everybody exactly, and that's why you're solid. Now, the scary thing is your grandkids, oh, them niggas might be fucked, bro. Like, they're definitely gonna be liberal.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:39

You know, I hope that Mariana, because even Mariana, she doesn't get a true perception of anything, like whether when she was born, because she just doesn't remember, and then even now, she can like look at it and like know, like she doesn't know I'm struggling, like she doesn't really know that.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:55

And like, um I ain't talking about you struggling right now because like that's not permanent, but like at the same time, yeah, it's a bad quarter.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:04

But I'm just saying, I'm just saying in general, where her, she's gonna her perception. I don't even know what her perception really is gonna be. I mean, she goes to I like her school now, like I do like her school, and a lot of her friends, like I met these people, the other parents, like uh again, her best friend Chloe. They I went to their house for a birthday party, they got a nice little spread. They are A E C. The mom went to Spelman, the dad went to Clark, and like I'm like, okay, y'all do well, like you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:34

Like, I know this is a five, six hundred thousand dollar home, but like when I was at Albenny, I would drop low off, and uh niggas putting out his blunt before he takes his kid in, okay. Yeah, Mari don't even know that her dad had to go through that shit because her dad didn't have to go through that shit. Yeah, so even when you even your struggles and uh not to invalidate your struggles because nigga, it's your life, but the way that it affects her, she'll never see it. Yeah, like she don't like she don't she don't know what it's like to feel poor, and even when she gets older, she ain't gonna be able to reference back the low moments to poverty, and like it's not a knock on her, but like Mariana's kind of coming up, like in my in my situation, I'm her generation, right? Like, like we're coming coming in the same generation, right? Nigga, my mama had struggles throughout my life, don't get me wrong. I ain't never been poor. Nigga, I wasn't poor until I was in my nigga 33, right? Didn't have no job and had bills that I like dead ass couldn't pay. And it's like, oh shit, I'm poor. This is what poor people go through.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:53

Like, yeah, you start to realize you're like, fuck, this is so this is what this is.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:58

Like, oh, it's like, oh, I gotta pay, I'm gonna pay my phone bill this month, but I'm not gonna pay this credit card bill this month. I ain't gonna pay this other bill. Let me move this money out of my checking account so that it don't it don't take it, and then I'll keep it in my savings and I'll distribute it as I see fit because I can't let my automatic debits control where my money goes.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:22

When you gotta do anything where you gotta move around anything that's an automatic payment, that's how you know like stuff's starting to get bad, bro. And like uh for me, I it's like hell, I'm sure you might have you might have called me like a couple, bro. My phone's off. Like I it's either that or keep my lights on, and so it was like I'm gonna keep my lights on.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:40

The fuck like and like to be niggas who have never had to like make those sacrifices, even worse, yeah. It even works when you never really experienced it because you're like, oh my god, like you didn't experience this poverty growing up, and then in any facet, and you didn't experience it in your 20s when it's okay for you to struggle, and then I was thriving as a fucking like like bro. I was talking to the nigga at work the other day, and we was talking about some shit, and I you know, I kind of told him my background. I was like, Yeah, no, bro, I used to get paid like 4800 every two weeks, and he looked at me, he was just like, damn, you work here, right? Nigga, where did it all go wrong? I was like, Hey, bro, life happens, but like I'm happy here, like like you know I work, but like I I love my job, you know what I mean? Yeah, well you you got a peace of mind, like, yeah, and like what I was telling him, I was like, Man, yeah, I want to make more money here because I have other things, like I've created a certain type of lifestyle that requires more money, and I know what that feels like, and I nigga, I don't even know how to take a new girl out because I gotta have a certain amount of money in my account to do that because I don't want to be tied to what we said we was gonna do. I want to be tied to being with you all night and being able to fund the entire night, right? So, like you thinking about that, but then it's like, damn, bro, I was making$4,800 a week or every two weeks. I I didn't like what I did as much as I did this as I do this. Where do you find that balance? But you don't know that you even need to find that balance until you deal with the other side of it, you know? Yeah, and we were talking about it earlier because you know, we college niggas, but we ain't like we're blue-collar college niggas. Like we got blue-collar beginnings, we work in blue-collar industries, and although we prefer to be around these bougie niggas in our uh leisure time, we just don't want to be around these bougie niggas. And uh I I don't even know how we got here, but I think it's important to talk about and uh because it speaks to like the disconnect in like the black community and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like niggas get a little bit of money and a little education, and uh and they forget I used to like chicken noodles. You know what I mean? Yeah, I ain't saying go back and eat it, nah, go go go to the little the Asian fusion spot down the street and get you some ramen. But don't forget that you like ramen, just get a real piece of fried chicken put in your ramen and eat it before it gets socky, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 1:10:46

Yeah, it's it's it's one of those things I think that when everybody can uh reflect and look back, uh some people it comes in different ways, whether it be I grew up in the struggle to get out of it and then never returned or uh and well, and then you got the healthy median things weren't bad, they never really were bad, then it did get kind of bad, then it got back good. Then you can have it to where everything had always been good. I lost it all. I had to find a way to get it back, but I think that in those stories, because that for me is how I kind of feel about it. I felt like there's a lot of different things that I've had that I took for granted and that I did not uh appreciate as much as maybe I should have, because I used to just think it was normal, but it's not normal, and so Bro, we used to we used to do weekend trips on a regular, and and some niggas don't go on vacation, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:49

Like, like, like, and I didn't realize how abnormal it was, but even when I was in San Diego and we just link up in Vegas, just being able to like not plan it out, not change your budget, just say, hey, we're just gonna be spending our money here this today. I'm going to Vegas this weekend, and the gas, like for me in San Diego, because we're driving, like the gas and whatever the hotel is, that is such a cost that I don't think about that. Oh, yeah, I'm just gonna party here because guess what? I'm not gonna Uber this whole weekend, so I save this much money in Uber, blah blah blah blah blah. Like your life becomes so expensive in your city that going to another city you might save money. Yeah, and like the average person doesn't live that way. Them niggas be damn, bro. I ain't never seen another city. I want like like net like I mean another real city, like totally different from theirs. And I want to go do that, but I gotta save up to do that once a year. And niggas are like, Yeah, let's go do this because I'll spend less money here. Yeah. Like, like, like I laugh at it and and and being a prick, but bro, I I said nigga, niggas have been blessed. We're black men doing that, like who had who did that shit in our 20s. Yeah. When you want to be doing it. And like we even look at our peers who are doing better than us and feel like we ain't doing enough, but we don't look enough at our people as a whole and realize Damn bro. My L's is a nigga's goddamn MVP season. I need to appreciate the life that I live because nigga, my life is good. Even with my life, it's bad. And like not to disclose our personal shit that we've gone through in the last year and change. But our lives being bad, we wasn't worried about somewhere to sleep or something to eat. We was like, damn.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:12

I can't go out tonight.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:13

I can't go out tonight, or I'll call some rhythm with this chick.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:16

And I can't even really do nothing because of this the fucked up situation I'm in. And it's like, I can't even do nothing, really with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:24

Like, and you know what makes it hurt even more, dog, is that bro, if we would have been broke in our 20s, we would have known how to entertain her and make her happy on some broke shit. And she would have been good, but because we've never lived that way, we don't even know how to do that.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:46

Like, I might have went, man. Let me tell you, if things, if the roles were reversing, it was how it's been more recently, is how it was then in the 20s, bro. I probably would have fucking went insane. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you wouldn't have, you you would have learned how to make it work. It would have been more acceptable, though, at that time, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:08

And so honestly, dog, with me being transparent with people around me or the people that I come in contact with, yeah, if you're solid, it's still acceptable. Like, like you can't replace real nigga, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:26

Because, like, we're insecure. How much money uh you can be a lame? Think about it. Niggas that they this is some niggas that got something, as fuck, and nobody wants to hang out with them. It doesn't fucking matter what they like, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:40

DJ Academics DJ Academics was a lame growing up. He's popping, but he's a lame nick. Like, if you listen to the things that he says, you go, Oh, nigga, you lame as fuck. I don't give a fuck how much money you got, how big your chain is, how fine your bitch is. Oh, nick, you fuck Selena Powell, and you know that offset video came out over the weekend of him and Selena Powell in the bed. Yeah, so I didn't went and looked at her Instagram. I'm like, yo, what's up with her?

SPEAKER_10 1:16:13

That chick's been around for so long now.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:16

She's been around for a long time.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:18

It started like Soldier Boy, like during world star hip hop days.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:22

But she's also exposing niggas, but niggas still fuck with her, so like there's gotta be something there. And then I went and like looked at her, look at her pictures, like I looked at her face and I'm like, yo, you're not pretty. You've had hip, but you're not pretty. And then I looked at her body and I'm like, yo, your BBL is trash, like you don't have hips. So, like, if you like, bro, if you go to her Instagram right now and just look at her, you'll be like, Oh, this don't look good. I could care less if you have a fat ass. Like, ew. So I'm trying to figure out why, like, what the hell's going on, why she's significant and and and and matters, and it's just like well, if you got sauce, you got sauce. And what I assume is she's good in a sack.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:24

Yeah, because these guys, that wasn't all set first time, didn't so. No, no, yeah, he's yeah, he's still having to look up his baby mother fucking no, his wife.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:37

They haven't got a yeah, right, you're right.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:39

They're not even divorced, but like his estranged wife out here having a baby with another nigga that's out here treating her just as bad, if not worse, than he was, and like, but ain't nothing wrong with that now. But for me, the issue was I was a dog. I I didn't I I needed to be neutered type shit.

Switching Gears: NFL Playoff Landscape

SPEAKER_01 1:18:00

Pete Pete, you know my personal life, right? Yeah. If Sam pulled a Cardi D, the exact Cardi D, how much of a nutcase do you think I would be on the phone when we talk? You you probably be in prison. Because, like, you know how when shit was good, shit was good. When shit was bad, shit was bad. But it's like, hold on, you left me and again, we got kid, we got a kid. Offset and Cardi got kids. I know with their money, it's a little bit different, but not I ain't gonna hold you niggas who have decent backgrounds want to be parents to their kid with the other parent. Like they niggas nobody wants to co-parent.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:52

If you can help it, yeah, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:54

Like nobody really wants to co-parent. You get to a point where you have to, but niggas don't really want to co-parent. Bro, if I saw Cindy with some not shit ass nigga that's that's out here dogging her and and and getting other women pregnant and shit, and it's just like, yo, you left me for that. Yeah. Like, like, damn, if you want to just deal with toxic, at least stay with the nigga who put the kid in you. You know what I'm saying? Don't don't don't let that nigga put a kid in you while you putting kids in everybody. Like you make what are we doing? You also making me look crazy, and goddamn it, if we was just gonna be toxic, shit, we could have been toxic together instead of you being toxic with somebody else, and I can't see my kid the way I want you. Won't you know what I'm saying? Yeah, and again, this might get clipped up because AI does it. This is not me shitting on Cindy by no means. Like, it ain't got it is I'm just we're I'm using my real life to talk about a general situation because like come on, bro. Bro, you ain't laying it, you're not laying. In the bed with her for her to catch you sleep, unless that shit is crazy.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:08

Yeah, he he got screwed up. We have been all over the place, by the way. Which I mean, normally we do pretty good with these shows. We got 40 minutes if we're gonna stand by our two-hour uh timestamp, but it's 120 on the clock.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:20

But the thing Okay, hey, keep going. I've got a tinkle and take the show wherever you want to take it.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:28

I was gonna head in the uh we might as well stick to Atlanta. Well, no, we need to finish out the NFL.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:33

Yeah, we didn't talk about the NFL the playoffs. Yeah, hit up playoffs and end the season shit, and then I'm gonna pee and I'll come back and I'll catch up with you. Sorry, I'm not what's what what's the guy's name from uh uh uh rezone? Scott Hansen? Yeah, yeah, I'm not Scott Hansen. I'm I'm I'm AC Lee.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:51

Yeah. And this is not the AC Lee and Parlay Pete uh podcast, but it's the Washington Winning podcast. Um nonetheless, uh yeah, we got the NFL playoffs coming up. Um I think I'm very excited about that. Obviously, this is normally a great time of year when it comes to um playoff football. Um and we got some pretty exciting matches. This year has been the most unpredictable year of NFL like that I can ever remember. I really can't recall a year in the NFL where we've had so many teams that were favored, like the Kansas City Chiefs. Now, granted, injury and all there with Pat, but that was at the end of the year. They were already well out of it. Um it's been a lot of different, just a lot of different discourse. I mean, the Ravens obviously aren't in the playoffs, like, and that's a team that everybody thought was gonna go to the Super Bowl, but they lose to you know Pittsburgh in a crazy game to end the season. Um, and then you got all these young quarterbacks that are coming in. So you take a look at it, the number one seed is Bo Knicks. Like, like I tell you what, if you look at it from this perspective, Bo Knicks, Sam Darnold. Who's big on cards that on? These are gonna be the top two seeds going into the playoffs is Sam Darnold and Bo Knicks. So if everything hell served and these teams won, you'd get a Seattle-Denver Super Bowl, which kind of crazy that that's what happened was that that wasn't 10 years ago. That was like 2013, I think. That was the 2013 Super Bowl. But the idea that we would get the Denver Broncos and the Seattle Seahawks in the Super Bowl, Denver being a seven seed from last year, then Seattle didn't even make the playoffs last year. It speaks volumes to what kind of season that you're having. The Eagles are a three-seed, they are the defending champs, they're back in it. But I think this is the least confident anyone's been in a uh defending champ that actually made the playoffs again. Nobody's ever been that down on a team that had won, that had what we perceive to be almost dominant this entire time. Um and then in the NFC, the Rams are supposed to be the favorite to win the Super Bowl. If you look at the Rams, what are the Rams doing? They're kind of tailing off here. Yeah, they won that last game, they lost to the Falcons, they had lost to Carolina. It's like a lot of different stuff towards the end of the year for them. They lost to Seattle in that game that pretty much kind of decided the number one seed. But they've got the MVP favored, I guess, in Matt Stafford. So you have to look at it from that perspective. And you know, yeah, it like went to the door, so we had to pan it, you know, get you out of the picture.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:42

Um no, you're you're good. I'm adjusting the camera before I bring myself back in.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:47

But we were but I was basically just running down how this has pretty much been the most unpredictable year of football. Like, honestly, can you recall another year that has been as like nobody knows?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:00

We've never had this much parody in in sports, period.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:04

Like, you just parody with parody parody, even for the teams that aren't in the playoffs. Think about it, three-way tie for the NFC South. Three teams finished eight-nine, and the tiebreaker goes because Carolina swept us. Like, that's the type of story.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:17

And we were the best team in the division, but we did not deserve to make the playoffs, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 1:24:22

Right, which is why we're not in. But like at the same time, I said if you look at it this way, you got the Seahawks and the Broncos as your one seeds. That's Bonex and Sam Darnold. Who has that on their fucking bingo card that those are gonna be the top two teams in the NFL this year?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:39

Well, who actually who actually trusts them in the playoffs?

SPEAKER_10 1:24:42

Nobody. The well, exactly. The Broncos, but think about it this way the Broncos, uh, they have a Super Bowl winning coach, they do have a good defense. That's like this is stuff that's hard. Fuck that. They have boneks, but this is what I'm saying. Bo Nick Sam Don. You're talking about a team that was a seven seed last year, and then the Seahawks are a team that didn't even make the playoffs last year, and these are your top two teams, so that if everything held serve and they win at home, that's your Super Bowl. Like you get a rematch of the Super Bowl from 2013, and it's like, what you know what I mean? And we know that that's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:16

If that but if that fuck make that made that field goal, I was still going Baltimore Green Bay. I I uh well, yeah, because you have to stick with it, but like but also if the playoffs is one game, and I don't really care about anybody's record because even the good records teams didn't dominate.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:46

Give me three teams from the AFC and three teams from the NFC that you would say would be the three teams you think will make it to the Super Bowl. Out of the whole field, because we got 14, three and three. I I can even AFC is Jags. Um we're on the same page, okay. Patriots and uh the Bills. All right, so look, we're three for three. That's exactly literally that's the exact three that I I have out of the AFC.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:15

I'm I'm picking coach at coach, quarterback, andor both.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:20

And I just did it by consistency and what I like like like completeness of team more than anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:29

Like well, here's here's my thing on Jacksonville, right? They're complete, yeah. They're complete, but also look at Trevor Lawrence last year and look at Trevor Lawrence this year, look at Baker Mayfield this year, and look at Baker Mayfield last year. Did Baker get hurt? Yes, I know Baker was hurt, he was my fantasy quarterback, and when he got diagnosed with the injury and kept playing, his production tailed off, and so did the rest of his skill players, and so did my championship opportunity. Yeah, which we didn't even get into that, but you know, hey, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's nothing to talk about. Nah, it's true.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:06

Uh I mean I I heard you talk about it on the vets, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:09

Yeah, I got my door smoked off. Hey, thanks for hey. Thank I I really appreciate appreciate you for tuning in. Uh yeah, come on, yeah. Means the world to me. Um, but no. Oh shit. Speaking of which, we're doing a live vets podcast. I need to get you the date. I I would love for you to pull up.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:28

Is it is it's gonna be up on a weekend or like yes, it's gonna be on a Saturday.

Trey Young Era: Value, Narrative, And Fit

SPEAKER_01 1:27:33

We're doing a like there's a we do a Black History Festival down here. Is it before or after MLK Day? It's in February. It's like oh black history, yeah. Yeah, so it's a black history month, excuse me. So like it there's a there's a parade and then a festival after after we're gonna be recording during the festival, and uh I probably shouldn't say this on stream, but fuck it. We're planning to throw a uh party after. So it's kind of like an all-day affair, but say no more.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:04

I'll be there as long as I got a place to sleep. Yeah, I think uh I live.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:08

I know, I know, I know, I know, but but um but but but yeah, so those are my three teams, and and then in the in the NFC, it gets weirder, but I'm gonna go rank.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:21

Harder, it's much harder to distinguish the teams in the NFC.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:26

I ain't gonna hold you when it comes to the NFC. I I'm kind of just going NFC West. I I obviously all three of them won't get there, but they're the best teams in the playoffs. Like the Eagles could end up being really good, but they haven't showed it this year. But we know they have the players and they've done it before, so you give them some credit. But hey, you know what? Kyle Shanahan, that motherfucker knows how to get to a Super Bowl. He just don't know how to win them. Uh, Devontae Adams backed Sean McVay. Uh, that running game, that defense, that quarterback, that play caller, those weapons. Devontae Adams led the league in touchdowns and was the second best receiver on his team. Just throwing that out there, okay?

SPEAKER_10 1:29:11

You know, and and they get the easiest matchup of the playoffs, period, across the board.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:16

Well, they got Carolina, right? They got a box.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:18

Yeah, there's if there's one team out of these 14 teams that anyone will want to play, it doesn't matter if it's in Carolina or not in Carolina, you would want to play them.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:25

So that shit could have been in South Carolina, it wouldn't matter. Hey, look. I think it wouldn't matter. Yeah, but anyways, but no, so and and then and then with the Seahawks, hey, Mike McDonald can coach.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:41

I'm not I can't believe in Sam Darnold, and that's why they're not three.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:44

Well, I'm just I'm I'm I'm going to the positives, and that's why they're in my top three. Mike McDonald can coach. The Ravens have been worse since he left. Right? Yeah. Um JSN might be the best receiver in the league. He won't ever be called that because he's a slot guy, kind of like I'm in Ross St. Brown. But the nigga can catch the ball, he can get a lot of yards, he can score a lot of, he can score points. So nigga might be the best receiver in the league. And that combination of uh Charbonnet and uh what's my man's name? Uh the other running back, Kenneth Walker. And Kenneth Walker, Kenneth Walker, that's uh Iowa State or Michigan State. Michigan State, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:38

He's really good. Kim Kent was great at Michigan State. He's the reason why, he's the reason why fucking uh Mel Tucker got that contract that he ended up blowing.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:46

He's really the reason why Mel Tucker blew that contract because if he would have never gotten that contract, the stuff that happened would have never came out. But they gave him that money based off of Ken's Walker being great. Kind of like the reason why all of the all of the shit that happened at Michigan, it only came out because they're like, yo, this nigga just won nine games and got a good recruiting class. He ain't the guy. We gotta get it.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:12

You know, you know, you know who's behind it? It's Dave Portnoy. Dave Portnoy put up all that money for Bryce Underwood.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:19

And Dave Portnoy can suck a dick, and I wish he's a fucking degenerate. Yeah, I just wish Dave Portnoy did not matter in the spaces that matter, right? Because, and I say that because you know, we could build up this podcast and it could be incredibly profitable, and Arthur Blank never hears it, so it doesn't really matter in the great scheme of things, but we got enough people to listen to it. People actually listen to what Dave Portnoy says, but Dave Portnoy is a fucking idiot. He's a degenerate. Yeah, I've I've never listened to Dave Portnoy talk and go, Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I I stopped listening to it's not good content. Well, like, I don't listen to million dollars worth of game because they're signed over there. Because how can you as a as a nigga take your independent shit that you created and take it over there for a bag? You're not respected by the nigga who pays you. It's one thing to go just do a regular job for a nigga who don't respect you, that's different. Ain't nobody respected, labor that's not respected. But to take something independent that you don't need Dave Portnoy for to go over there, like I just don't respect that because Dave Portnoy doesn't give a fuck about you unless you make him money. And and I only say that not because like but Dave Portnoy just says wild shit. Like the way, like we we shit on Angel Reese. But we don't shit on Angel Reese because she's a black woman and she wants to show off her body and and and be a basketball player. We don't care about that. Like we actually enjoy when she wants to show off them clappers, but the problem is she then does the whole I'm a victim, don't look at me this way. That's why we shit on Angel Reese and we say, Hey, her offensive game ain't up to what her popularity is. But we would right, but we would never on Angel Reese for subjective stuff that will ultimately like possibly hurt her as a human being. Because we we we we support who she is, what she stands for, not everything she stands for, we we support her, and we want to see black queens be great, exactly. And while I'm ranting and and talking about shit that we shouldn't be talking about and not caring about the time because fuck it, I don't care. Hey, black women, AC Lee personally, and and and I'm gonna throw parlay Pete into this, I'm gonna make him get dirty with me. We say things about you all culturally that you all don't like, but it's not because we don't like y'all, or it's not because we don't love y'all, it is because we aren't y'all, and we view some of the things that y'all discuss in a different way like we we view it from a uh a full-scale view, like we're we're we we're zoomed out, yeah. And sometimes our criticism isn't about how it lands with us, it's about how it lands with other people. And we speak these things to let you know how you land with other people, and you may not be hitting what you're doing. Not saying that black women don't know how to deliver a message because they do, but sometimes it's like, hey, here's what men think about what you're saying. I'm gonna tell you what exactly what men think, I'm gonna tell you honestly. I don't hate black women because I tell you honestly what men think. I don't hate you because I tell you what I honestly think. Because if I hated you, I wouldn't tell you. I would just let you look stupid to men when you're trying to appeal to men. And I don't think black women just wake up every day to appeal to men. Like, bro, look at all these disclosure statements I'm giving when I'm just trying to say, hey dog, sometimes when we criticize y'all bitches, it ain't because we hate y'all, it's because we fuck with y'all. Well, actually, we criticize y'all as much as we do because we really care. Like it comes from a place of care. Like, we shit on the WNBA, not because we hate the WNBA, because motherfuckers, we watch it. We watch it. Continue talking real quick. Yeah, man. So I I don't know how we got here. We hadn't even talked about college football, we didn't talk about playoff predictions. I'll be honest with you guys. We we hadn't done a pod in two weeks. And even though we've talked on the phone, we've hung out with each other. There's something about talking on the pod. And when we don't talk on the pod, we just want to keep talking. And mind you, we turned this into a two-hour show, not because we actually wanted to only talk for two hours. It's like, hey, people aren't gonna listen to us talk to three and four hours every week. Yeah, guys, let me tell you. Not not not listeners, radio stations. If you need two fucks to occupy five hours of airtime, we got three hours, no script. Hashtag open to work, you know. I mean, like, no, like think about today. We, I mean, like, we got shit in the group, we got shit in the notes, but we hadn't even we didn't even look at that shit to build the show because we knew what we were talking about. And speaking of which, hey dog, let's talk about Trey. I know we hadn't talked about all the football shit and all of that.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:57

Let's talk about we can get to that towards the end when we do the predictions, anyways. But what else do you want to get to? Well, Trey for sure. I think uh, and and I wanted to get Joe Cy on. Uh, you know, obviously he's a huge Hawks fan. Uh he had a lot of different thoughts about it. I can actually just go through a couple of our different quotes here. His mom's birthday. So like I was like, I was like, well, maybe we can get you on like after the trades happen, and then we'll talk about it then. But like, um, yeah, Trey obviously um requ now it's official. I guess it's a technically a requested trade, no? Or certainly, or it's just a mutual the team and the player are working together to get him out of that because he wants to be out and we want him out. So now they're working together on a trade. What would you say if you could describe in a couple of sentences, what would you say the Trey Young era of the Hawks will be remembered for? Or as? Not for. We know what we're gonna remember the most, but what is it gonna be remembered as? Scapegoat. Really? Yeah. Now, do you believe that he's the scapegoat? Yes.

Breaking News: Hawks Trade Trey To Wizards

SPEAKER_01 1:38:14

Okay, so I told you this, I kind of stopped listening to a lot of the media pundits that I listened to. Okay, because as we rebooted this show, I realized I had certain takes from years ago that were landing, and I walked off of those takes based off of stuff that I listened to. And as much as I like some of the people I listen to, I also understand these people have relationships and stuff, and they push certain narratives, they have sponsors, and it kind of fucked me up. But Trey is seen is seen as a guy, you gotta get him the fuck out of town. We can't win with this guy. Luca is seen as a possible MVP. Mind you, he is 34, 9, and 9. Trey doesn't rebound like Luca. Trey can score as well as Luca. For the most part, give or take a point or two. Uh but Luca is seen as he'll gonna be first team all NBA, no matter what his team's record is, it doesn't matter because he's good. Right. Trey is being seen as can you re sign this guy for a max contract? Because I don't know if you can win with him. When Trey was on a 10 That complimented him. Him. He won. And when we went to the Eastern Conference Finals, people don't remember. Two years later, we have a whole new regime running the franchise. We have we have a whole new coach. So don't blame Trey because the Hawks didn't continue winning. Blame the Hawks for changing up what the fuck they were doing instead of building around Trey. So do I want Trey to leave the Hawks? No. I went to those playoff games. Nigga, I was there. Like, like, like, you niggas don't understand. That that Philly game that we both went to that we lost. We saw how Trey controlled the fucking arena. This nigga controlled the entire game the entire time. Joel Embiid is on the court. Ben Simmons is on the court. Dwight Howard's on the court. I nigga, Trey Young controlled that arena. Like when Philly started doing too much, Trey was like, uh-uh, let me do something. Even when Trey would miss, miss a three. Trey would take certain shots when the game, it might be a one-point game, and Trey would take a two steps in front of half-court three. And if he made it, he saw what it did to the arena. Yeah, he missed some, but that nigga understood how to control the game and how to control the arena. And what I've noticed from the basketball talking heads, they've been negative on Trey since he came into the league because of his defense, but they've continued to be negative on Trey with the team's lack of success without talking about what's going on with the organization. I'm a Hawks fan, so I follow the team. I don't just follow the NBA and the top shit that I have to care about for a podcast. Yeah. So did it make sense to move off of Trey based on what's happening now from a basketball point of view? Yeah. Like you don't want to give that nigga another max and tie up that much salary and somebody who can't defend based on the roster that you have and based upon who Jalen Johnson has become. No, you don't. But that also speaks to bad coaching. What happened to hey nigga, if Scotty damn near won MVP when Mike was gone, and them niggas was what a top two, top two, top three seed in the East, they made it to the Eastern Conference Finals without the quote unquote GOAT. And I'm only saying quote unquote because that's an arguable conversation.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:43

They didn't go to the Eastern Finals, but yes, they're second round. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:47

It wasn't second round? Yeah. But they went to seven with the Knicks, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:42:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:53

Eastern Conference Final.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:55

And then when Jordan came back the next year, yes, they I mean, I don't know if they didn't get swept by Orlando, but they did lose to Orlando.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:02

Yeah, but but the point being is we the media places too much value on what players bring versus what the rest of the team brings. And because Trey is not a media darling, he has been put into a position where he says Washington is his is his primary destination. And I get it because he wants to make sure he remains a max player. If he goes to Houston, if he goes to Dallas, he may not be a max player. He may be a 30 million guy. But Trey Young is 25 and 10 for his career, bruh. That nigga is a max player. Trey Young took Trey Young took some niggas that you take to the park, you know what I mean? To the Eastern Conference Finals into a game six. And yeah, Giannis was hurting that series, and Trey was hurting that series. If Trey's not hurting that series, we won game one. He went crazy. He showed up in the playoffs. Like he's carried in the play, like nigga was throwing dice against New York. And that wasn't the first time he beat him. You know what I'm saying? Like Trey Young has proved himself, but he's not getting credit because of how he's being talked about and his deficiencies. But it's not like nigga. We talk about and we talk about goddamn AR getting a motherfucking uh uh uh a max next year. Is AR better than Trey Young? No, he's not. AR ain't never been a lead dog. We're gonna give that nigga a max contract. You know what I'm saying? Anthony Simons has like the rookie max. And nigga saying, hey, we can't give Trey another max. Trey, nigga, Anthony Simons can't lick the dirt off Clay's goddamn shoes. You know what I'm saying? No, you're right. Hey, nigga, Trey had a signature shoe. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, what the fuck? Like, what the fuck are we doing here? Hawks. How about this? Instead of trying to do the easy build, the the the the the the the the the the the number cruncher build and say, hey, the analytics, say this and say that. How about you go? Okay, we got Jalen Johnson and Trey. That's our that's our one and two.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:26

Let's put three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen in G-League around what makes these two good. Don't pick one, pick them both and then maximize from there. But that doesn't happen in the NBA. It's the same reason why a nigga like Russell Westbrook signed at the last minute, it's playing in bumass Sacramento, but that nigga is still out here killing.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:53

Like a nigga rather give Christian Braun 30 million a year than give a nigga like Trey Young 30 million a year. Christian Braun ain't better than motherfucking Trey Young. No, Michael Porter Jr.'s not better than Trey Young, but Michael Porter Jr. got a got a ring as a third option. Trey got to the Eastern Conference Finals as a first option. It's different. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm not saying that Trey, I now I don't think Trey can win a championship as a necessarily first option. I think the Hawks should, you know, make Jalen Johnson the first option because he's 6'10, and Trey the second option. But you have to give it gears because hey dog, Trey Young led the NCAA in points and assists his one year in college. That nigga has the most points, the highest combination of points and assists, and this is me spitballing, but I'm I I I trust me. He's very high in points and assists throughout his entire career.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:01

Again, he's 25 and like nine for his career. But that's kind of his rookie year, and then last year because he shot less. But that nigga Trey is really 30 and 11. If you let him not try to win and just play play ball, he's 30 and 11. Yeah.

unknown 1:47:21

I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:22

Why the fuck does this nigga want to have to want to go to Washington to make sure that he keeps his status in the NBA? That's bullshit. Like the NBA is wrong. They're doing basketball wrong. Nigga, Pojinski started over Klay Thompson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm pushing a narrative here.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:40

I I'm probably saying I knew you were gonna get into a guy like a Pajinski.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:45

And I and like you know, I love Austin Reeves. Like, I think Austin Reeves should get a max because nigga, you put Austin Reeves on a bad team, that motherfucker might average 33.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:55

Yeah.

Live Reactions, Fit In DC, Hawks’ Next Move

SPEAKER_01 1:47:56

Cause that motherfucker can get a bucket. Yeah, he's gonna be. But like when you got people like Ryan Rosillo, Bill Simmons, Colin Calhart, and like, and people gotta understand, like, a lot of fans don't realize that the owners listen to the radio shows and the podcast like you do, and they believe these niggas. Yeah, when these niggas are pushing certain narratives, it affects what happens in the league. And Trey is falling victim to that. You know what I'm saying? Like, Jeff Teague had one of the five stakes on Trey. He was like, I want Trey to go to Sacramento, and that's kind of been his stick on the show, like sending niggas to Sacramento. But you know he got serious for a second. He was like, No, no, no, Sacramento don't get good players, and I want Trey to be to continue to be a max player and somebody to actually build around Trey. Because you can't win with Trey if you don't build around Trey.

SPEAKER_10 1:48:50

Well, you know, they actually it's crazy because this came up, and I'm glad uh you brought up Sacramento. So there was a report that came out today that Zach Levine, uh, because I'm assuming that he's he's represented by Clutch. Probably well, the his if it didn't say who it was, but regardless, let's say I'm I'm I don't know why. I feel like he's represented by Clutch, and I'll I'm gonna look it up while you're talking. And uh it said that the basically that his representation was trying to get him to Atlanta, and that Sacramento was the ones that were against it. Now, obviously, in a dealer. Rich Paul is his agent. Yeah, so there you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:33

Pierce, if you were drafted by Minnesota, you're a young nigga, but you went to UCLA, so you already know LA. Then you go to Minneapolis. I mean, you making enough money to make it work for you. Then you go to Chicago, and you're on a max deal in Chicago, you probably having a good time. Oh, for sure. Now, there are things I could tell you, but I won't tell you on the show, but you probably can have a good time. Absolutely. Then you have a good time with money anywhere, low-key, but certainly, yeah, put it in a certain city. Yeah, but you leave Chicago and you go to Sacramento. Yes, you're in California. Yes, there's some women in Sacramento because guess what? If there's a pro if there's a pro sports team, that means there's business there, which means there's rich men, which means there's attractive women. Okay, yeah, that's how shit works. And obviously, he can he he can afford to have the LA based chicks see him whenever he wants, right? But like he just can't walk outside and see him. He can't he just can't go to the strip club and see her.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:47

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:48

Oh, Trey Young wanna leave. Our salaries are close. Jalen Johnson run the show, and I'm just an off-ball nigga who y'all want to score. I gotta replace his 25 points a game. My job is to come here and get buckets. I get it. And Zach Levine, he got a bow-the-rim game pause. You know, he will play well in Atlanta. I kind of like the Clippers straight, though. I really wish we'd just go get James. I don't think that see, and I had said, I think I told you this yesterday.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:23

Like, I I don't think that it works uh just because like I don't care about what is it? What are the Clippers doing when they make that deal?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:32

Like, what are uh they're saying that Kawhi, you need to figure out where the fuck you want to go soon. You got two years left. But again, Trey and Kawhi work. Trey, Kawhi, John Collins, Chris Dunn as the two, a defensive guard who don't score. But why didn't it work with James? Well, it's starting to work now that Kawhi's playing on the regular, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:57

And that's always been their stick as a team, anyways, and then you know, all that extra paying or something apparently that's going on.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:04

But what about um uh what about LaMelo for Trey Ball for Trey Young? I don't want Lamelo in the ball.

SPEAKER_10 1:52:11

They wouldn't do it though, they wouldn't do it either. Because why why would you trade him for him?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:17

If if you're Charlotte, you it wouldn't because you're gonna build around Con Canimple because that motherfucker is hooping.

SPEAKER_10 1:52:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He can ball, but like I'm just saying sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:29

Khan might be better than Cooper, by the way. I'm I don't think that that's a hot take. No, I like it like I'm not like I know Cooper's probably had the better one game, but like, you know, Khan is playing with with mellow ball who has the ball. Whereas Cooper, he's running points.

SPEAKER_10 1:52:50

And Brandon Miller, who also is a top three pick. And I mean, I know to a lesser extent Colin, but like But Miles Bridges, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:00

Yeah, Miles Bridges, who's a hey yeah, speaking of which, hey, hey, you talk to Colin about uh, you know, Charlotte. Let's do that. Yeah. I'll bring the camera. We can just hop it. We can hop in a truck and go up there.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:16

Yeah, because it's definitely not a uh that's a small hike. Uh me and my dad actually, when we drove to Savannah, we were talking about that. I was like, I was like, I was like, is Atlanta closer to Charlotte than Savannah?

SPEAKER_01 1:53:28

Uh I think it is it's about the same trip. It's a three-hour trip. Three and some change. It's like four. Yeah, it's like three like 50. Uh Charlotte from Cartersville is like three hours.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:43

Because even the I mean, you would know the Albany to Atlanta drive is like it's like 330. You be blazing then.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:52

But yeah, I think I got my first.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:54

But you know, once you get to that one road, like that is where them folks are sitting. They be sitting.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:00

Oh, yeah, nah, once you get out of Columbus, that stretch between Columbus and stretch that one, like Columbus Columbus to Noonan, they could drive the speed limit.

SPEAKER_10 1:54:11

Yeah, they're there.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:12

Don't be in a rush to try to catch your flight. Yeah, they're there. But nah, we we should we should probably do that Charlotte thing. Like, I know we've talked about it, but we should actually try to like put a date on that and actually try to execute it.

SPEAKER_10 1:54:28

Well, it's funny, I actually uh it was for something completely different. I had text Coach D today, so I actually did text him. Um, but yeah, I'm uh is Jordan up there in Charlotte?

SPEAKER_01 1:54:43

Nah I think I mean I think he's here, but like um I well I just I just want him to come the weekend week, I want to make sure he's there.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:51

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:54

Because you know that that's how I created the relationship. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:55:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:00

I talked to him.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:04

Niggas in my county. Yeah, Jay Sex. Um have you ever had sex with a J?

SPEAKER_10 1:55:13

Uh of course.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:14

I had a I had a you've not had sex with a junkie, nigga. Stop it. Oh, you said hey Jay. I I'm thinking you're talking about how the case.

SPEAKER_10 1:55:22

No, I know you've had sex with actually, which uh because I meant to tell you when you call me, it's funny. I was literally on the phone with my ex-girlfriend yesterday, and we were FaceTime.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:33

I FaceTime her for about six hours, and so you know, we can talk about like FaceTime calls and long phone calls, like not on the show.

SPEAKER_10 1:55:44

No, well, I just bring it up because I did I remember you called me yesterday, but like literally when I tell you long story short, that's why I did not even call you. Like, I was with her for like six hours.

College Slate, Georgia-Ole Miss, Clock And Calls

SPEAKER_01 1:55:57

Bro, I did a three-hour uh combo yesterday um after you didn't answer my phone call because you obviously weren't available for your friend and co-host who was pre-production. We're just on time because we're gonna go over today.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:14

I don't yeah, well, we only got three minutes till two hours, so uh all right.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:19

So 9 30. I've got like 15 minutes for real, cuz I gotta uh make sure I can call up before she goes to sleep. For sure.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:28

Okay, um let's I mean we pretty much have hit Trey here.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:32

College football. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, real quick. Trey to Washington, though. And I mean, I get why Trey wants to go there, but what the fuck are they gonna send us back that we want? I don't want CJ to call him.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:43

Well, he's gonna be well, one way or another, he's a part of the deal. My thought is that you make it to where you do make the AD trade and reach the shed gets shipped to Dallas, to where you do make it a three-way deal. Maybe you can pick up a piece out of Dallas too, out of the deal. Like I and Dallas would send stuff to Washington, but like uh I don't know. I would like to send trade whoever's gonna give you the most for him. Like, I I don't give a fuck about appeasing him in any way.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:18

Like, but as a Hawks fan, I don't care about appeasing him anymore. Now that hey, you're gonna get traded. Yeah, I want the best return. And I'm gonna quote Jeff Teague again. He was like, shit, hey, if he's in the Houston, I want Thompson Tween.

SPEAKER_10 1:57:38

Yeah, but that won't happen. We would have a better chance in an eye, we would have a better chance of getting Reed Shepard than anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:44

But like I want both of them.

SPEAKER_10 1:57:47

Neither of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:48

Trey's value isn't that. So it's like Trey, and but that's the problem, and that goes back to my rant earlier, right? There's nothing that Reed Shepard and uh men Thompson have done to say that you can't package them and some salary for Trey Young and like another rotation player, you know what I mean? I understand their potential.

SPEAKER_10 1:58:14

Well, that would be your best bet. Now, if you're Houston, I think if you're Houston, you do it. Like, I don't know why you wouldn't do it if you're Houston. Like, if you're for real, for real about winning a championship this fucking year, I'd do it. Because now Oklahoma's starting to look flawed. They're like six and five over their last 11. Like, they look like a normal basketball team, Fon.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:36

They've been looking flawed when they don't get them whistles.

SPEAKER_10 1:58:40

I'm just saying that was a team that people were talking about when having the wins record, and now they six and five over their last 11. Like, so they're like they're not breaking that record, obviously. But at the same time, and even just now I looked up, they were only up three. They lost to the Suns the other day. I I if I'm if I'm the Rockets, I get Trey Young in. I think that that's the best basketball fit for championship for for to where everybody wins, it's that trade. But they have to be willing to give up an asset, and the asset has to be Reed Shepard. It won't be Amen Thomas, they're not getting rid of him. It's gonna have to be Reed Shepard, like Tori uh Tory Easton or whatever, like yeah, like he's not enough, and I don't think even two picks that are gonna be in the bottom 20s. If you give us two first rounds, I don't think that's enough either.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:33

So I'm gonna keep it a bug with you. If I'm on the phone with Houston and we're talking about me trading a max player, if a month if a man Thompson is not on uh is not part of this, or Kevin Durant, which I know you ain't trading Kevin Durant. Yeah, he's not going. Or Singun, which I know you're not trading. Not trading him. Get the fuck off my phone. Would you be Shepard?

SPEAKER_10 1:59:59

Well, I was gonna say. You think that they would trade uh Jabari, maybe? What would you think of that?

SPEAKER_01 2:00:07

Jabari and Reed. We can talk. Yeah. Because for one, Jabari is a Georgia nigga. He's a 6'10 shooter.

SPEAKER_10 2:00:20

The Nets are who I would be wanting to talk to. I would say, look, we want Michael Porter. Hey, Michael Porter is killing this year. He's an all-star. If the all-stars today, he's in. He probably and the Nets have been winning games kind of recently.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:36

But here's the thing, he probably won't because they haven't won enough games.

SPEAKER_10 2:00:40

And because but now they're teetering between being out of the top five, and like that's where the issue comes in. That's why you gotta hurry up and get rid of them.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:48

But like and like Trey Young, his draft mate, Michael Porter Jr. has been discussed poorly by the media because hey, this nigga is averaging 25 on damn near 50% from the field and 90% and 40% from the three and like 80 a good 80s from from three. Like like nigga is is efficient. Like he ain't he's shooting at a high clip. And Michael Porter Jr. takes bad shots. But people treat Michael Porter Jr. like he was a role player that went to Denver and not that he showed up to Denver as the highest touted prospect there.

SPEAKER_10 2:01:34

In that class. No, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:37

On that team. On that team. When he showed up on that team, yes, he was the highest drafted of the he was the highest touted guy. You know what I'm saying? Like even though Jamal Murray may have gotten drafted higher than him, he only went late because of injury, not because of talent.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:56

Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:56

Hey, that nigga healthy, and that that that 610 motherfucker is letting that bit ride. I'm not saying that him as your focal point is championship basketball, but what I am saying is that again, media narratives matter and it shapes how people view players. And Michael Porter is being seen as a nigga who just gets meaningless points. Like I was having a conversation with a friend about oh well, he's on a bad team, so somebody gotta score. And I'm like, Well, his shooting splits are good. Right. And the response was, Well, I still don't like his game. And I'm like, Yeah, nah, nigga, me neither, but that nigga's fi. Like that three I sent you. That was a terrible shot that he took. Right. But it but it hit the bottom of the net. That didn't it didn't touch nothing. That nigga didn't see the defender. And to have a confidence to take that shot, and then knowing what I know about what goes on in Denver, that nigga was wanting was was turning down shots that he didn't feel comfortable with.

SPEAKER_10 2:03:03

So and and just because we gotta, I know that you said with the time and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You we got because we gotta get to college football too, man.

SPEAKER_10 2:03:11

Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Let's let's just Trey, wherever he goes, thanks for the memories.

Parlay Picks, Bonus College Picks, Closing

SPEAKER_01 2:03:16

Um gonna miss you. I I hope you can come back and retire as a hawk. I wish you could stay here forever because you deserve a statue because of really you think that much of it. I think that if Trey had a full career here, he would get a statue.

SPEAKER_10 2:03:34

I don't know if he gets a jersey retirement. I mean, probably I don't know. I mean he might like to me, his impact is just as good as Joe Johnson's, though. And so it's like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:44

No, no, Joe didn't get out the second round.

SPEAKER_10 2:03:47

He didn't, but then what are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_01 2:03:54

But yeah, but also Trey Young and Joe Johnson are fucked over because Atlanta's not a favorable NBA market.

SPEAKER_10 2:04:04

Correct. Which is added to the either of them.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:08

Cobb County and Gwinnett County fuels what goes on around here. And they're white. They like baseball and football. Right? They like the Bulldogs and the Braves, if we're being honest. And that sucks for Atlanta because we don't have the same fan. The Hawks don't have the same fan support as some of the other teams if they're not great. And then because we're not a national market, we don't get the publicity. Jalen Bronson ain't doing shit that Trey Young ain't doing. That nigga played with Kat and OG and Mikhail Bridges. What the fuck are we talking about?

SPEAKER_10 2:04:50

Real quick, just because we got some breaking news here. Free agent quarterback Russell Wilson hoping to remain a starter in 2026 is hired renowned agent David Mulligeta. Mulgeta.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:02

Oh, yeah, that's that's Michael's agent. Uh I'll tell you something real quick. Russell Wilson, you're not a starter anymore.

SPEAKER_10 2:05:10

That was the biggest thing I took away. Fuck who we hired. It's the idea of hoping to remain a starter in 2026. It's just like Russ, that ship sell, brother. I don't know what to tell you, but you're better, he's better off if he gets a shot, it would be. I could see like the Chiefs. I can see the Chiefs doing it.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:30

The Chiefs to start the season.

SPEAKER_10 2:05:32

I could see that tell Pat's back, like like because it would work with and I think Russ can still play good enough football like he did in Pittsburgh to where he will win games. Like, I don't think that you like you just lose games with them now.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:44

But like I think Russell, I think you can get to the playoffs with Russell, but at the same time, it's like I'm not committing to this nigga for three for three years. So I'm only gonna commit to you year by year, and if I'm gonna be year by year with you, I don't really want you because I'm not building toward something.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:06

Uh, this also just came down, and I guess maybe because I didn't see a clip of Dan Patrick's show, but according to Dan Oralowski, who was on the Dan Patrick show, the Raiders would draft Arch Manning number one overall if he declared it for the draft this year. Not even close. He'd be the runaway number one pick. The pick would already be made.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:23

That's fucking stupid because uh Arch Manning had didn't do anything. He was hot at the end of the year, yeah. Yeah, but he hadn't done enough to be a number one pick.

SPEAKER_10 2:06:35

I don't think he's played enough football. I think, and that's why he's coming back anyway.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:39

Yeah, yeah, no, no. Well, again, Arch was probably gonna come back no matter what when the season started, because he didn't start the other years behind Quinn. You know what I mean? Because Arch ain't going to the league for money. Arch is going to the league to be great, right? So it's about putting myself in the best situation to be great. Hey, did you see um Garrett Wilson respond to what Stephen A was saying on his first tape? Yeah. I fuck with that. I fuck with Garrett Wilson for saying that because yes, yeah, yeah, don't get me wrong. The Jets are a bad NFL franchise, but I'd rather be at a bad fortune uh fortune 50 company than at a really good fortune thousand company, and that's the difference between uh a college and NFL. Yes, these college niggas get paid and people try to compare salary to NIL, but you gotta remember some of these like like these niggas got uh off-the-field endorsements too that don't get reported. Right. So okay, this nigga making four million a year, and uh whatever quarterback is making 3.8. That quarterback that's getting 3.8, that nigga got a free F-150. Like Raptor. Right, and he does one commercial for these motherfuckers. That nigga don't pay for food. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like it's just different. But let's get to college football, man. I want to talk about Ole Miss and Georgia because I don't really want to talk about Georgia. We lost, and it sucked that we lost. I didn't think we were gonna win a national championship, anyways. So whenever we lost in the playoffs, I just wasn't hurt.

SPEAKER_10 2:08:41

But I think Trey Young officially just traded to the Wizards. It doesn't say because I have the underdog app, it says trade it to wizards. Hold on, keep talking Georgia real quick, but we will pick this up just because we're we were just literally just talking about it.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:57

All right, I'm gonna not be a control freak and let you find the details, but like, hey, I knew Georgia wasn't gonna win a national championship, so whenever they lost in the playoffs, I was cool with it. You know what I mean? And honestly, I'm okay with with with old Mr.

SPEAKER_10 2:09:13

Oh man, what a bullshit deal.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:15

Oh god, let's let's hear it.

SPEAKER_10 2:09:18

Uh, so we traded four times on NBA All-Star Trey Young to the Wizards for CJ McCollum and Corey Kispert, nigga. That's all it says. That's what Shams is reporting. So that would mean we didn't get any draft capital.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:30

Uh no young players, no Bob Carrington, no nothing.

SPEAKER_10 2:09:34

Well, you know, Flink is in Washington, so makes a lot of sense, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:09:38

He got kind of got Trey to the Eastern Conference Finals and built a team around him properly. You know what? I was mad at Trey for wanting to go to Washington, but I forgot. That was why.

SPEAKER_10 2:09:50

You know that he they text each other. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:52

But you know what?

SPEAKER_10 2:09:53

They were on the phone.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:54

Like, but you know what? If Slink, like, I forgot Slink is there. That's the right move for Trey because Slink knows how to build a winner around Trey.

SPEAKER_10 2:10:03

Let me let me read the rest of what Shams has, though. It says the trade ends, young stint is the face of the Hawks, and since the 27 year to his preferred destination, the nation's capital. Top Wizards officials have searched to anchor their young talent in the next step of the team's development. Um, the Hawks are poised to turn the page on a new era with the emergence of Jalen Johnson and others bringing a much more fluid system of play around their wing and depth. McCollum serves as a valuable plug-and-play better while also holding a$30 million expiring deal. Moving Young also provides Atlanta with added financial flexibility to pursue a large salary over the next several months with the Dallas Maverick star, Anthony Davis, as a prime in-trade season target.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:46

So that's what I figured would happen. They're gonna trade CJ and Bullish for I think Risha Shea's gone.

SPEAKER_10 2:10:54

That nigga ain't done nothing. And that would be that would be what Dallas would want anyway. They something at least that they can like maybe think that they have something. And he's young, so he would fit the young. But then the real question will become well, what do you do with Kyrie? Because Kyrie has to go.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:09

Oh, yeah. Well, they already know he's gone.

SPEAKER_10 2:11:11

Yeah, but where would where would Kyrie go in all this?

SPEAKER_01 2:11:14

Hey, do you want to hear what Joe Boykin thinks about this?

SPEAKER_10 2:11:18

Uh is he texting you now?

SPEAKER_01 2:11:19

Literally, no, Eric Eric Boyd is, but I'm saying I'll call Joe Boykin and he'll either answer what you want. Fuck it, I'm calling Joe Boykin.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:28

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:42

And I rarely do that. That's out of respect for Zoe. Shout out, shout out to Zoe. Oh, come on, you bald fuck. Answer the phone, nigga. You're you're not doing anything.

SPEAKER_10 2:11:57

Like this thing at the notification.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:00

The person the nigga looked at his phone and let it ring. I'm sorry. I I want to get another, I just want to get an outside opinion.

SPEAKER_10 2:12:09

And I'm gonna hear Can you believe, can you believe though, seriously, that Corey Kispert and CJ McCollum are what you're getting for true? Like, yeah, bro. Yeah, talk about just wanting to get off of niggas, like get him off the team.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:25

Like that's why that's why I show them the NBA narratives and the media shit because he still is worth way more than this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:12:33

Like, I knew that his value was down, but like, man, what?

SPEAKER_01 2:12:39

None of my basketball people are answering the phone. You know what? I'm gonna cold call Sean. And I never cold call Sean. It's 9 30. This kid's probably going to sleep. Let's see if he answers. He might not like me for this. Hey, you know the worst thing about being like in your 30s? You want to call Julian Turner? No, I don't want to talk to him about basketball. He's gonna start talking about the He's a Wizard season ticket holder.

SPEAKER_10 2:13:22

You're right. And he called me while we were doing this, and I told him that we were doing the show. He's actually in Atlanta right now.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:29

But bro, I'm about to curse that nigga out. I hope he answers the phone.

SPEAKER_10 2:13:35

He's going to.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:36

Hey Julian Turner. Hey, you're live on the pot, real quick. Uh, I heard you're in Atlanta. Uh, can you start doing this? When you come to when you come to the city, can you let a nigga know?

SPEAKER_08 2:13:47

I can do that.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:48

Okay, like like I like that kind of bothers me because one of my best friends is like around and like like yo, nigga, I be I be I be free sometimes. But anyways, that's not what we're here for. Uh, you're a Washington Wizard season ticket holder, and uh you guys just traded CJ McCullum and Corey Kispert for Trey Young. How do you feel?

SPEAKER_09 2:14:08

Well, first off, uh, always a pleasure to be on the show. Um, happy holidays to you and all your listeners.

SPEAKER_10 2:14:16

Um hey, we're happy to have you.

SPEAKER_09 2:14:19

Well, well, thank you so much. You know, it's uh this is breaking news to me. Um and I was actually at the game last night. Um excuse you, McCollum, and uh who would they who'd they trade?

SPEAKER_10 2:14:36

So he's the white guy. He went to Gonzalez.

SPEAKER_09 2:14:38

The white guy with the where's the her where's the headband and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know what? Um, first off, as a season ticket holder, I'm fucking thrilled because you couldn't resell the tickets. Hell, you couldn't even give them a money for free. Um, so I'm excited to actually see potentially uh you know good basketball. Um now CJ McCollum, he was he was one of the more uh better producing players on the team. I think he was averaging like 20 points. CJ was giving it.

SPEAKER_10 2:15:15

I think probably 18 to 20, something like that. That's that's his lot in life.

SPEAKER_09 2:15:18

Yeah. Yeah, CJ was one of the things. Um the white boy, he's been injured as of late. But um, again, as if he's a ticket holder, I'm actually ecstatic after this is happening, and maybe I can actually start reselling some tickets every once in a while because I mean these niggas suck.

SPEAKER_10 2:15:33

You you you know, dude, here's the best part about it. That first game of him uh being there that you have, you will be able to sell that because there's gonna be just the intrigue of people being like, Man, yes, we've got an all-star player here, and you gotta think about it. It's been wouldn't Bradley Bill's been gone now for four years.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:52

Hey, Drew, hey Drew, can we call you back?

SPEAKER_01 2:15:55

Of course you can. I bet. Yeah. Sean.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:02

Yeah, what's up?

SPEAKER_01 2:16:03

Hey, bro, you're live on the show. We just cut off one of our best friends because um you're married and we value your time a lot more. Uh Trey Young was appreciated. Yeah, bro, Trey Young just got traded to the the Withers for Corey Kispert and CJ McCollum. And uh I think the Hawks got shafted, but I also say that because Trey Young has a bad narrative around him. He's 25 and 10, and uh I know Lucas scores more points than him, but he plays less defense than him. And Austin Reeves is the guy who's about to get a uh max contract this offseason who plays the same kind of defense as Trey, but has not carried a team to the Eastern Conference Finals, you know. Well, he's also 6'6, so there's a lot of the Trey Young did beat the beat beat the sixers in the second round to get to the Eastern Conference Finals, and Sean knows about that. So, Sean, how do you feel? Because you're one of my the most respected sports voices in my phone.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:58

Uh I I want you to there's there's a lot of different so I I well I found about found out about this maybe 30 seconds before the call. And I I think the first thing that came to my mind is is yes, the Hawks definitely got shift. They definitely got shafted value-wise. This is like an all-time low for Trey Young's value for just crazy isn't it crazy? Yeah, it's a it's an all-time low. Like, like you didn't even get a pick or or really anything. I mean, is Kitford even like you got it no maybe?

SPEAKER_10 2:17:32

I mean you got you got you got an expiring contract from a player that if you keep is gonna be valuable for your team this season, but at the end of the day, you're not re-signing him, he's not coming back. You basically just got rid of Trey to not have him leave.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:53

Sure. And I and I think it I think it will be good for both teams because it because the Hawks clearly play better without him at this point, and he's you know, we all know the bad things about Trey Young. He's a defensive liability, that the other players don't necessarily necessarily like playing with him. Um, so I think that the Hawks will benefit. Um, but I also think the Wizards are gonna benefit because I mean they specifically have a big man and Alex Starr who's gonna, you know, definitely benefit from a lot of these lob passes that Trey Young uh is very good at so I think that like both teams can definitely benefit. It can be a win-win as long as the wizards don't go around and give them$60 million per year.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:37

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, no, no, Sean, that's where you're wrong. They gotta give them they gotta give them the max.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:44

So I think that's a terrible idea. I mean, uh I do think obviously helps a lot of people. Like, this could be like, you know, it's like the old wake-up call where it's like, hey, all right, like you need to maybe put a little bit more effort into the defensive end and you know share the ball a little more. Um, but like, I mean, it could work out. I just I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:02

That's a lot of that's a lot of bread for somebody who let me give let me give you a little bit of pushback, right? And okay, and and Sean, you know me. You know I rarely talk as a fan. I'm talking as a fan right now. I still have my analyst hat on, but I'm I'm talking as a fan.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:21

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:22

All right, so I went to one of those Philly Atlanta playoff games in Atlanta, and I watched how Trey we we it was game six, we lost it. I watched how Trey controlled the arena. But both of us were at that game, actually. But like Trey controlled that entire game. He just missed shots.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:46

Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:47

And you know, as somebody who goes to live sporting events, good player like the great players look different in person. Like a Jordan Poole 25 piece on TV ain't the same if you actually go there and see it. That 25 piece in person might be weak as fuck. Because you know he wasn't controlling the game. Trey can control a game. And he controlled the game more than Joel, more than Ben before he lost his soul, all of that stuff, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:20:19

Well, that well, that's that's where I would go with this about that series in particular. Um, because I went to what game seven, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You went to 16.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:29

No, no, you went, yeah, you did go to game seven in Philly. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:33

And and what I saw was essentially the same thing. Like he definitely controlled the tempo. He had a bunch of assists, but he missed all his shots, and we didn't exploit him on defense because there uh something happened where our starting all-star uh all-NBA point guard uh imploded mentally.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:50

Tell me about the 16 guy who being aggressive. The 16 guy who didn't dunk on a 5'11 guy.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:56

5'11 is being generous, I feel like. Uh, it it just uh I so that's kind of like and I'm not saying that you like your your role players also played really well in that playoff front. Shout out to Boggy Boat. Shout out to Red Bell. And then uh even John Collins was playing really well, really well. But I guess my point is that yes, that that team was good and Treyon controlled the tempo, but it also had to do with our uh Ben Simmons essentially committing career suicide. Uh potentially.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:25

Not potentially. That motherfucker's dead. That nigga dead.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:29

So he's a fisherman now. That's part of it as well. Um, but yeah, I think I think he could I mean he could absolutely be really, really good for the Wizards, who I mean I watched them play they definitely need a point guard. Um you know, if he makes the necessary changes, I I think I think it could be good for both teams.

SPEAKER_01 2:21:49

Hey, last thing, Sean, before we let you go. Sure. How do you feel about the Eagles going into the playoffs just the whole season? It's been up and down, and we we haven't talked in a while, and I actually feel bad asking you questions that I would rather ask you personally before we talk about on the show because you're my friend. But like, uh tell me how you feel about the Eagles, the season, the playoffs, all of that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:14

Um, well, I went to the Bears game, which was a the wrong game to go to. Okay. Um, but despite that, I would say our defense is one of the best defense, top three defenses in the NFL, besides uh Texans and Seahawks. So I think our defense is championship level, probably better than last year's defense that basically won us the Super Bowl. Uh and our offense, despite being talented, is being run by the uh the equivalent of a middle school offensive coordinator. Uh, there's no pulling of guards or tackles. Uh, and to make matters worse, our all-pro and somehow voted a Pro Bowl or center this year. Cam Jurgens has been terrible and our all-pro left guard, Lana Dickerson uh tries to play through injuries that he should just give a rest to. Um, so worst offensive lineman last year, worst offense than last year, better defense.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:16

So y'all beat San Francisco Sunday or Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:20

I don't know, because they have a very good offense and our defense are master of balls, and they have a very bad defense. Um, so their strength is our weakness, and our and vice versa. So I don't know. I just uh it's kind of weird. Uh San Fran has been uh one of our more heated rivals because whenever whenever they come here, you know, fans tend to beef uh so it should be fun. It should be fun regardless. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:46

I'll I'll I'll let you know I'm rooting for y'all because I I I just wish bad things on San Fran and Kyle Kyle Shanahan for the rest of his coaching career. Hey, right. And you understand this. But hey, hey Sean, is there anything else you want to get off? We appreciate you. And like uh, bro, I know you have a real life, and I code called you, and you you are giving us time, so like I don't want to take too much of it, but anything else you want to get off, man? Because we appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:15

Uh VJ Edgecombe. Uh niggas a problem. The sky's the limit, man.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:21

Hey, is PG gonna fuck y'all up?

SPEAKER_00 2:24:25

I know I said last question, but goddamn, like no, I he's he's still a very good defender, and he's kind of settled into a role as like our fourth, fourth option. He he's not forcing the issue, he's still a good defender.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:37

His contracts may mess us up, but uh hey Joe L and B can't jump seven inches off the ground.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:44

Yeah, he yeah, his knees are gone. Yeah, he can't he jumped for the first time all season. That shit was weak, Sean. It was. It was.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:54

You jump hard and have a rebound.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:56

He also joked a uh choked a game against uh the nuggets like back half the rotation, what, last night, two nights ago? Yeah, it was crazy. Started playing him as a power forward because he can't rebound. They're playing him with a center, which is outrageous. 15 point favors can't cover.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:14

Hey, Sean. Hey, thanks so much, dog. Love you. And actually, we just need to talk, just just talk as friends soon. Because we haven't talked as friends in a while.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:25

Yeah, yeah. I I I wanted to hit you up because I I saw that John L. Way Khan Sharp interview.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:31

I know you I know you've seen and love that because I haven't I haven't watched it yet because, like, bro, I've it's an off-mic conversation, but okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:25:40

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 2:25:42

I'll I'll check it out and let's uh let's let's talk on the phone in like the next seven to ten days.

SPEAKER_09 2:25:48

All right, sounds good. All right, uh much love, y'all. All right, dog. All right, Sean. We appreciate you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_10 2:25:56

Sean is always my favorite guest uh on this show. He truly is.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:00

I enjoy dog Sean is one of my like favorite people of life. Like when you talk about a nigga who was looking for friends in 2016, in 2026, I can still call this nigga and give a hot take on the show. And what people don't know is he works in sports entertainment and uh he passively shops us without telling us. Like nobody knows that. Like, but I'm just saying that like nah, he's solid. Yes, absolutely, absolutely like he was a guy we'd go out like and and and I and and people people don't need to know this, but I'm just gonna say it. Bro, we would go out and he was dating his now wife, and she was in Philly, and he was in San Diego, and that nigga had an iron belt on. He was like, Yeah, no, I'm with my lady. So, like, like top to bottom, Sean is a solid nigga. So I I I fuck with him, and he's actually not black, but yeah, in a way.

SPEAKER_10 2:27:09

Well, he he's he's your nigga. Uh I mean, we haven't got to meet him personally, he's my nigga.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:13

Damn, you haven't dog. Yeah, we well, we gotta figure some shit out, dog. You gotta meet you gotta meet Sean, like yeah, that's my nigga.

SPEAKER_10 2:27:21

Yeah, no, I I absolutely would love to.

SPEAKER_01 2:27:23

Um, he was Luigi's room roommate. No, I did not know that. That that no, so I met Sean through Luigi and shout out to Lee. Me and Sean became like friends and not bar friends. Yeah. In that time because we would like no shit talk sports. Bro, this show don't doesn't exist without Sean. Niggas don't know that. And I know we over time today, I don't give a fuck, but this show doesn't exist without Sean. My first time I decided to like turn on the microphone and talk about sports was with Sean.

SPEAKER_10 2:27:57

Really?

SPEAKER_01 2:27:58

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, we did a show and and him and his fox sports buddies used to edit it and do all of that shit, but we couldn't we couldn't do a quick turn and his schedule was so crazy, and yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:28:16

Right. Well, uh, let's do this because we we were the but that news broke and we had to talk about just because we literally had just talked about, but just very quickly, obviously, with Georgia and um Ole Miss. I think that again, the two things that I talked to you about in pre-production to me that that come back on that game is Kirby Smart going for it on his own 30 on a fourth down, uh, and then just not the right play call again. Like, I I'm not even mad sometimes when they go for it. I think it's like, damn, what the fuck was the play call? Like, which is why now look, Todd Monken is clearly out in Baltimore. I think we all know where we think this should go and what should happen. We'll see.

SPEAKER_01 2:28:53

Um, but there's hey, but but hold on, real quick on that. Todd Monken did his job uh in week 18 against the Steelers. Like, like Lamar is the first quarterback to like throw for two 50 plus yard touchdowns in a game and lose. And them niggas was open. It wasn't that Lamar made a great throw. No, he was just wide open. Nah, them niggas was open against a team that has a defensive identity, which means that Todd Monkin knows how to call it and we know that Mike Bobo he don't know how to call it when we need it. Mike Bobo's a slut. He's not even a slut. Mike, Mike Bobo is a cheap whore. Like you're doing something you don't want to do, and you're not even enjoying it. You just do it, that's the best you can do.

SPEAKER_10 2:29:54

Um, but yeah, I think I think that just in general, and like I said, of course, there was the uh third and goal play. For one, they fucked themselves up anyways, but but uh prior to that, because it got them backed up at some point on one of those plays, I forgot what happened, but they got backed up. They should have scored anyways, but the idea on that third down play that they did not try and uh at least have the clock run to make sure that old miss, no matter what you were going into OT. I do blame Kirby a little bit for that. And I understand wanting to score again, that makes all the sense in the world, but you have to be real about it. If you gave them any time, it's just like anything else in the NFL, you don't give the other team time. No, and at that point, it would have made sense in a weird way to play for OT.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:38

I agree, but like I told you in pre-production, one thing that's missed about Ole Miss is they're playing pissed off. Like their coach essentially told them, Hey, I'll fuck with y'all, but I can't win a national championship with y'all. So all this shit I told y'all to buy into this season.

SPEAKER_10 2:30:59

We we lost one game to Georgia on the road, and we were actually up in that game, and they just made a hell of a fourth quarter comeback against us. Outside of that, we've been perfect this year.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:11

And I don't think I can win a championship with y'all. So that gives Pete Golden, the new head coach, a lot of room to take a highly talented team and to properly motivate them. Uh, but outside of that, hey, the U is back, and Michael Irvin has the best cocaine dealer in the world. And um, that guy's getting a lot of great publicity, and there are people who Michael Irvin will respond to in the DMs who will give that guy business, allegedly, okay?

SPEAKER_10 2:31:41

Oh, no, for sure. There's no doubt about that. Uh that's the first question they ask. They say they like, they like, he's like, it's like, so he still got it.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:49

Because he it's not a new guy, he's he this is the same dude, but uh no new no new friends, like uh and bro, I was having a conversation with one of my partners before we got on the show, and that's honestly why I was late setting up. Because he was like, bro, why people didn't just think that uh uh uh Lawrence Taylor could just do what he did off crack. And I'm just like, because people don't understand supreme athletes.

SPEAKER_10 2:32:18

If you're a supreme athlete and you got supreme habits and you do all of that shit every day, it's part of your your your training regimen, and your body actually adjusts to the way you're fucking it up, which is why now LeBron is being able to play because he's gotten his body's adjusted to that fucking golf shit now. Now that he got to sit on it, now that's a because now he golfs regularly, I guess. I'm I'm sure that LeBron still golfs, like orange. Yeah, but like I bet he fucking golfs.

SPEAKER_01 2:32:49

Like, but what made MJ the goat, like, and what and this is an argument that I can't refute as a LeBron GOAT uh guy.

SPEAKER_10 2:32:59

I was about to say, were you admitting that MJ's a goat?

SPEAKER_01 2:33:02

I mean, MJ, honestly, at the end of the day, when you talk about what everybody thinks and what we can agree on, we can more easily agree on MJ being a goat than anybody else, okay? I I I'm I'm I'm well. He's the most consensed goat. Yeah. Bro, that nigga, when they talked about MJ going and playing 36 holes of golf and then giving niggas a 40 ball. And gambling. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just talking about 36 holes of golf. I've played 18 holes of golf. I know how I feel after 18 holes of golf. And I know what happens over 18 holes of golf. MJ wasn't playing golf and wasn't he wasn't sober playing golf. You don't play 36 hole holes of golf leisurely and not drink. And we know MJ smokes cigars, so now you throw a cigar on top of that. Nigga can do all of that and then still give you 35, 40. Nigga average 30 for the career, 33 in the playoffs. I get why them old niggas be like, I'm not hearing this Kobe shit, I'm not hearing this LeBron shit, I'm not hearing this KD shit. I'm not hearing this just Joker shit. I'm not hearing anybody you think is the GOAT because I know how MJ played, I watched, and I knew how he was living too. And them niggas is actually like eating healthy.

SPEAKER_10 2:34:25

It's it's a lot of people, by the way, just because I had to click on Instagram here. Just this I'm getting getting a lot of reaction here. Uh okay, what we got to the Trey Young um feed. You know, Angelo, my which we were with Angelo New Year's shout out to Angelo. Um, you know, he's like bruh, he's got the emojis with the blowing your nose. Um Josiah, who I just spoke about earlier, he said, phone on DD rest at night. Y'all be easy. Uh you know, and I guess I get it that Trey Young is oh, Julian Turner. Thank God finally my season tickets can be worth something. This is such a Jew response to Jews. Well, I think he's like, he hears it from us on the show, and he's thinking of himself, he's like, he's like, he's like, really? That nigga he's kind of excited about it.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:21

Like, because that nigga was like, hey, I bought this ticket for fun and also as a uh we traded him in division too.

SPEAKER_10 2:35:34

Who cares? I mean, yeah, the NBA is not like the NFL if you didn't trade it in division.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:39

Hey, if we don't get if we don't be able to get A D out of the C if we don't get something out of the CJ shit, bad trade. I'm not gonna evaluate the trade today. Hey, do you got picks? Do you got picks today? Are we doing picks?

SPEAKER_10 2:35:54

I yeah, absolutely. But I've got uh uh in the comments here on these posts it says trade and trade for a bag of chips again until I see what happens with CJ's contract because I said the most lose-lose trade I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_01 2:36:15

It is today, but if we move CJ and and junk for A D? We're getting AD. That is what's gonna happen. So it becomes Trey Young for AD, good trade.

SPEAKER_10 2:36:27

Well, you think do you think that McCollum is what yeah? I guess because you have to have some sort of, but I think Porzangis's salary is the one that you're getting rid of.

SPEAKER_01 2:36:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:36:36

No, but you're not trading McCullum. I think McCollum stays Porzangis and Richard She go for A D. You bring in A D, you have the expiring in McCollum, he won't be back next year, anyways. We know this, but he might also still be functional in the team, like, because he can score and he's a guard, and you need that. Like he can go get you 20 every night. But what do you think of that? Uh, because CJ might come off the bench, or he might start, but like him, him, him, Dyson, because Rita's gone. So it's him, Dyson, Jalen, A D, and whoever, uh, Naw. Yeah. So it's it's it's so CJ Nall, Dyson. So I guess Dyson moves to the three, though.

SPEAKER_01 2:37:23

No, no, Dyson moves to the two. Dyson is at the two.

SPEAKER_10 2:37:27

So is at the three. But Nas like six, five, six, we're the defender, he can do more. Like, that's why I think he's the three.

SPEAKER_01 2:37:36

Yeah, we're small, one, two, three, but we're good at defense. We're good defensively on on the wings or the point if we need to. If he can shoot, like, so there's that. Like, I'm just talking about defense. We got Naw and Dyson. So we got a we got two perimeter defenders. Then we got Jalen Johnson and AD. We got two rim defenders. And still a good defender. When healthy. A D, if he's healthy, he's still gonna give us 25 and 12. Yes, for another two to three years. Jalen's gonna give us 20 and 10 in motherfucking.

SPEAKER_10 2:38:18

Well, hell, he's he's 24, 10, and 8 right now. Yeah, he's 24 right now.

SPEAKER_01 2:38:22

And CJ's gonna give us 22. So now you're talking about 70 points between three niggas. And now's averaging 20.

SPEAKER_10 2:38:33

Well, yeah, obviously, his number may I don't know what happens with his number.

SPEAKER_01 2:38:38

He's gonna be a 14.

SPEAKER_10 2:38:39

Well, to me, CJ is gonna be more of the 16 guy, though. Nah can't get a bucket like CJ can. He's been playing pretty well. He's on my fan, so that's how I know. I'm like, man, he's been putting the bar.

SPEAKER_01 2:38:51

No, no, I'm I'm with you, but like, like, like, let's, let's nigga, CJ beat Duke. Like CJ. CJ gets a bucket. So like there. Even if Naw can score more points than CJ, just if you give him the ball more, Naw's ability to score points isn't up to CJ's level. If that makes sense. Agree.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:23

Yeah, agree.

SPEAKER_01 2:39:24

So just like nobody can score points like KD can. Like KD is the best point scorer that's ever touched the basketball. But neither nor there.

SPEAKER_10 2:39:32

Uh he's up there.

SPEAKER_01 2:39:34

Um, but I know you I know you're a Kobe guy, but like Nah, it's not about Kobe.

SPEAKER_10 2:39:39

It's just I look at look look at the thing is just debatable. How about that? I'll just say look at the body.

SPEAKER_01 2:39:46

I'll just say look at the percentages and imagine if KD played basketball, played low percentage shooting basketball. That's all.

SPEAKER_10 2:39:55

I agree. And and then we have to remember that he is seven feet doing this.

SPEAKER_01 2:39:59

So

SPEAKER_10 2:40:00

It's fair. It's fair. You know, I am going to be a Kobe sympathizer, Lee, until I take my last breath. But hey, you want to get to these picks? Yeah, I do. I've got them uh queued up here, a little playoff six uh edition here.

SPEAKER_01 2:40:17

Oh, wrong one.

SPEAKER_10 2:40:18

Sorry, I can't see from it. All right, I'll do college football. Oh, go ahead. Are we doing college football? No, I was gonna say I'll do those because one of the games is tomorrow, but I'm gonna do those just as bonus picks.

SPEAKER_02 2:40:30

Okay. Ladies gentlemen, it is time for Pauly Playoff World World.

SPEAKER_10 2:40:47

2026. All right, so we're gonna kick off the new year. Very special and hot. I can't recall what happened last year, but two years ago, the six-pack that I put in, I actually did a parlay. It was on my brother's funeral day, and uh I ended up winning. So I'm very excited about this six pack again.

SPEAKER_01 2:41:07

Oh, did you hit a parlay that night?

SPEAKER_10 2:41:09

Yeah, I hit a parlay. It came down. The last game I needed was uh it was that Saturday. It was um Eagles game.

SPEAKER_01 2:41:17

Not Eagles.

SPEAKER_10 2:41:18

It was Chiefs, it was Chiefs Dolphins in uh Arrowhead. It was on Peacock.

SPEAKER_01 2:41:22

But yeah, yeah, and I remember we watched it at your we watched it at the at the law, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:41:27

I won about$56,000 that night. And so um, so I hope that I can bring that to the table here uh over this playoff wild card weekend that stretches to Monday night football these days. Um anywho, uh, let's go ahead and get started. I'm gonna go in order of the games. So uh our first playoff game is gonna be the most lackluster one of them all, and it's the Rams and the Panthers. Uh, give me that under 47 and a half, boss. I don't understand. I know actually, I do know why it's kind of that high. Because their game was a high-scoring game when they played like five weeks ago. So kind of makes sense. But anyone that's watched the Carolina Panthers offense knows that that offense is Putrick. I expect the Rams to come out there and stomp a mud hole in them. I was gonna do Rams 10.5, but honestly, the under is just way more appealing. I don't think the Panthers are gonna score like that. So uh give me under 47 and a half uh Rams, Panthers. Then next on that Saturday uh deck, we've got the Peacock exclusive game, which is gonna be the Packers at the Bears. We're gonna take the Bears on the money line for two reasons. A, they're dogs, and I'm surprised that people don't believe in the Bears. I actually think the Bears are a pretty good team. Um I get why you would take the Packers over them, but the Packers having Jordan Love, who has now sat out like the last three games since he got that concussion. I think that's never good. The Bears did lose to the Lions, which was a nice little kick in the pants for them. Um, against a team that was still playing, like the Lions played for something on that game. Like they wanted to win, and I am not mad at all that the Bears lost that one. I like them against the Packers. Plus, the other real reason is this league. I want Matt LaFleur to be our head coach. He has to lose that game.

SPEAKER_01 2:43:15

So I like you betting with your heart.

SPEAKER_10 2:43:18

I like the I no, I really like the Bears at home, though.

SPEAKER_01 2:43:21

No, no, I know. I I I just like I like pushing that narrative.

unknown 2:43:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:43:27

I like the Bears.

unknown 2:43:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:43:29

The Falcon. Then next, we will move on to uh the Buffalo Bills at the Jacksonville Jaguars. I be we talked about this earlier with our top three teams. And two of these teams, I think the winner of this game, and it's unfortunate, if the Jags win, and certainly if the Patriots win, that would mean that they're gonna automatically play each other because they're the three and the two. I don't want to take a winner because honestly, this one is truly a pick'em. I do like the over, though. They've got the over at 50 and a half. Let's take the over in that Bills-Jags game. I do expect points to get scored in Jacksonville. So give me over 50 and a half uh in that game. Then next, we will have the 49ers at the Eagles. I like San Francisco plus four and a half. I think that that's a lot of points that they're giving to them against an Eagles team that can't score. That although it's good defensively, I feel like the 49ers are so battle-tested. This is still the same group of guys that went in. And kind of like Sean just said, that defense has been hogwashed for the 49ers, but that offense has been hogwashed for the Eagles. So I like the four and a half. I don't expect this game to not be close. So give me the points in the 49ers here. Then the Sunday night crescendo, Sunday night football. We got to charge that Patriots, and we're gonna do something that's not a first on this show, but something that I don't normally do. Instead of taking a winner here, I've got a player prop for everybody. That player prop is Trevion Henderson Anytime Touchdown. That is plus 135. I like him to get in. He's been moving the ball, he's been getting in. I expect the Patriots to score points, and I expect him to be one that gets in. So give me Trevion Henderson plus 135 on the money line on the anytime touchdown. And then finally, we've got the Houston Texans at the Pittsburgh Steelers. Super interesting game. I'm gonna take the Steelers plus three and a half here. I think that Houston's gonna win, but there's also just this world similar to that Ravens game, which this is the same spread of the Ravens game, where I can say, with DK Metcalf back, even against that stout defense, that somehow the old man pulls it off. So give me the Steelers plus three and a half.

SPEAKER_01 2:45:38

All right, so we got Rams at Panthers under 47.5, Packers at Bears, Bears on the money line, Bills at Jags over 50 and a half, uh San Francisco plus four and a half, Trevion Henderson, entry time touchdown, and uh Steelers plus three and a half.

SPEAKER_10 2:45:59

That is correct.

SPEAKER_01 2:46:01

Give me your college bonus picks now.

SPEAKER_10 2:46:03

Let's go ahead with the bonus picks. So I did not look at the numbers on these, but I do know who I like in the games. Let me just go to it though. Uh this gets up in time. We've got uh Miami uh against Mississippi or Ole Miss. It says Mississippi on here. I don't know why I said Mississippi. Miami against Ole Miss at in the uh Tostitos. Uh I guess it's not it's not Tostitos anymore, but the Fiesta Bowl.

SPEAKER_07 2:46:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:46:28

So they're out in Arizona, obviously a neutral site game. Um I like Ole Miss at plus 150 on the money line, honestly. I like them as a dog. I think that they're gonna beat Miami. And Miami's been playing really well, but I think Ole Miss is gonna be in the national championship, oddly enough. So um I like the one SEC representative to make it uh next. We got Oregon and Indiana here in Atlanta um at the Peach Pole. And uh they played each other pretty close in Oregon. I like Oregon plus three and a half here, though. So I'm kind of all in favor of both of the dogs in the college games. Not because I don't think Oregon's gonna, but so so funny enough, this is actually a clip that we have on the show. I said Oregon's gonna win a national championship in the next three years, and we talked about this. Their best chances to do it right now. If they beat Indiana, they're gonna win the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:47:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:47:25

I think Dan Landing wins his national championship if he doesn't, but he's gonna get one. But I just feel like right now is a prime time for him to do it.

SPEAKER_01 2:47:34

Okay, you ready for Leeds three? Yeah, hey, I like your picks. Well, you like your picks, and I love your picks, so that's and when you love them, that means it's time for lead three. That's the best lead street we've done without trying to do it. That's amazing stuff. So hey, for leads three this week, I'm gonna change I'm gonna change a little bit up. Okay, that Jags Bills game. I want the Jags on the money line on the money line.

SPEAKER_10 2:48:05

Cardsville zone.

SPEAKER_01 2:48:07

Duval. Duval. Hey, look here. If the Jacksonville, if Jacksonville is successful, I'm happy. Trevor's from my city, so because my team's not there, I'm gonna root for him. So that's what we're doing. Uh I like the Steelers plus three and a half because if you're listening to this, I really like the Steelers on the money line. I just can't give it out. But Steelers plus three and a half. And then lastly, give me old miss on the money line.

SPEAKER_10 2:48:42

Okay, so yes, Lane, what I'm feeling in that game.

SPEAKER_01 2:48:46

Lane Lane told them boys that y'all can't win a natty without me. And they felt disrespected. You know, when Michael J Michael Jordan was sitting on uh in his beautiful house with them yellow ass eyes.

SPEAKER_10 2:49:06

They took that personal.

SPEAKER_01 2:49:08

No, no, no, they took that personal, they felt disrespected. And that's what they're on. So maybe it's my SEC bias, but more importantly, it's no, this is a team that's playing with some passion and national commentators. You can't you can't respect them because they work for they work for networks and they push ratings, they're not pushing actual good football. Shout out to Paul Feinbaum. You listen to Paul Feinbaum if you want to hear how people feel about football, because ratings are a part, but ratings don't drive that show, trust me. Um it's a great show, but yeah, no. So yeah, give me Ole Miss Man. Uh parlay P, anything else you want to say before we get out of here? I know there's a lot of shit that we didn't talk about, but you know, the Falcons cleaned house, and that just takes up an hour of the show.

SPEAKER_10 2:49:58

So absolutely, it's it's a very important matter to us and the people. So um, no, that's all I can think of uh with the time that we have today.

SPEAKER_01 2:50:08

All right, dog. Uh holler at you. We'll do this again next week. Uh I'll talk to you before then.

SPEAKER_10 2:50:14

Absolutely. Salutations, good people. And happy new year. I know that you can't really say happy new year at this point, but yeah, we can still a weekend, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:50:22

Hey, happy new year to everybody, man. I hope y'all have a great year and you prosper and do all of that stuff. Black hearts, if you really believe this.

SPEAKER_10 2:50:28

Can't wait to have you with us in twenty twenty six.