Washed & Winning: If Algorithms Run The Culture, Who’s Really Calling The Play?

Ever order at a drive‑thru and feel the bot miss the point? That’s our gateway into a bigger thesis: keep the human where context and trust matter most. We open with AI’s limits in everyday life and music, then zoom out to identity, deepfakes, and the very real risk of narratives outpacing truth. Skepticism is healthy. Standards are mandatory.

On the field, we make the case that head coaches must function like CEOs. Scheme is vital, but integrating offense, defense, and special teams, aligning staff, and making calm decisions in high‑leverage spots wins in January. We revisit the conference title games, the analytics vs feel dilemma, and the simple wisdom of taking the points when conditions demand it. Falcons fans will feel the sting of missed hires and the reminder that vision in the interview room echoes years later on Super Bowl Sunday.

We don’t duck the big institutions either. Bill Belichick waiting for Hall of Fame validation dents the Hall’s credibility; eight rings as a head coach should end the conversation. We unpack Pro Bowl incentives and why Shadur’s selection says more about content than merit, and we offer a simple fix: take it back to Hawaii, build a week that players and fans actually want. In hoops, we wrestle with D‑Rose’s legacy—peak brilliance vs longevity—and what Hall standards should reward. And in culture, J. Cole’s surprise drop lands as a timely reminder that bars outlast brand management when you put the craft first.

If you’re tired of algorithmic hot takes and want sports talk with spine—strategy, context, and a little smoke—this one’s for you. Tap play, share it with a friend who argues 4th‑down math, and leave a review to help more curious listeners find the show.

Transcript

Cold Open: Cameras And AI Annoyances

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Oh man, I forgot to like zoom in my camera. I didn't want all this stuff showing.

SPEAKER_05 0:39

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

It's just daggum AI. It's like, hey, AI, stop tracking me.

SPEAKER_05 0:46

That's why we can't replace humans.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

Well, it depends on what what the it depends on what we're asking for.

Can AI Replace Common Sense?

SPEAKER_05 0:52

Well, if it's if it's a uh uh it's a novice task and dumbasses get hired anyways and they're not reliable, then yes, you can replace them. But like complex thinking or just certain things that require uh human intuition and uh common sense type stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

You don't think AI has common sense?

SPEAKER_05 1:18

No, because if you let's all right, if we want to do a scalability on McDonald's, Wendy's fast food, some of these places are introducing like the drive-thru uh AI thing, right? Okay. You ask for something, let's say that I ask for a barbecue whopper uh or a barbecue double cheeseburger, and then they might say, You want to get a double cheeseburger with barbecue sauce? It's like, no, you guys have a barbecue cheeseburger on the menu, but it doesn't. For one, you're taking up more time because now the line's getting longer while I'm trying to explain myself. When if I told the person that was there, they know exactly what to click, and they're like, Oh, okay, because I'm a 63-year-old man that doesn't normally do this, and I don't have the app and I don't do any of this stuff, so I can order the barbecue. There's a barbecue whopper, but it's really called the uh beer-battered onion barbecue whopper, as opposed to the barbecue whopper. I got that. Take your whopper and barbecue, and they're like, So you would like barbecue sauce with your whopper, but that could take up more time. It's just it's better for humans to do certain things, and it keeps people employed.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Hey, do you think they're trying to like force evolution on us? Like survival of the fittest. If you can be replaced by AI, then you die. I mean, because the rich are buying up all this land and and building these bunkers and all of this, you know. Maybe they're they're preparing for the robots to replace us all.

Music, Identity, And Real-World Connection

SPEAKER_05 2:48

Hey, and I'll say it just like uh little Wayne said I am legend, I am Will Smith, and that's how you let the beat build, bitch. And that's another thing that can't be replaced either, would be music. Timberlin, I know he's got whatever that artist or whatever, but let's come on now. No, people like to go to concerts. We don't want to see a DJ just pressing it, and like it doesn't matter. Then you could have them write lyrics and then have somebody sing it, sure, because songwriters exist, and maybe that puts the songwriters out, but like there's just certain stuff that you have to keep.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Well, yeah, I don't think as a personality, an artist, you know, radio, podcast, and you know, Steve's world, all of this stuff, right? Yeah, people have to be able to relate to you, love you, hate you, whatever, see you, touch you, not be able to see you touch you, but like know that you exist. But no one connects with a computer except for these weirdos. Well, then again, I don't know, man, because you know, now these people got these AI girlfriends, so they may like AI music. You know, these kids who are in the metaverse all the time and stuff.

SPEAKER_05 3:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

You know, people who don't touch Earth.

Playing With AI Voices And Sora Fears

SPEAKER_05 4:01

So you mean like this? Tell me about my CEO master prompt.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

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SPEAKER_05 4:32

My point is that this sounds like I'm on the phone with somebody I just answered a call in the middle of a podcast. That doesn't sound like a robot to a degree.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

No, because he had like stammers and uh like the uh yeah, but it's still because I knew it was AI, it definitely didn't sound like a human.

SPEAKER_05 4:53

But it didn't sound like answers the phone, I say, Hold on, Lee, I got somebody important that's calling me, and then I said, Hey, I'm on with uh AC. Can you tell them about what we've been working on? And then I say, Hold on, hold on, I'm gonna put you on. You might have thought it was one of my white, you might have thought it was Josh Piper or some shit.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

I thought you were gonna say Josh Holsey. That's what I would have thought it was.

SPEAKER_05 5:17

You know, they're getting so good, and it's the same thing with uh Sora, to where if I captured any of you guys, I mean, obviously, I can just invite you, and then if you upload it, I mean, I we could do videos like that way, oddly enough. Like, yeah, so crazy.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

But I'm staying away from that stuff. I don't I don't want them in my phone yet.

SPEAKER_05 5:36

We need to use it to our advantage.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

I am comfortable using AI. I I don't know how I feel about what Sora does because I get your identity, huh?

SPEAKER_05 5:47

They're getting identity, like I don't use my iPhone, I've never done the fingerprint thing, and I've never it doesn't matter. I'm in the I've gone to jail, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, bro. Your fingerprints are gone. Yeah, yeah. So that doesn't matter, but you can't commit crimes, buddy.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

They got you quick, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:02

They got me one way or another. But um either way, I've never done that and I've never done the facial recognition.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Well, there were the phase of my life where I it made more sense for me to do facial recognition than punching in a password.

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Well, yeah, you're you know, you government entity as well.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Well, that had nothing to do with it.

SPEAKER_05 6:24

Really? You didn't have anything on there that you wouldn't want anyone to get. I know you guys have special emails for that type of stuff, but like well, yeah, no, no. I didn't not use the onion browser.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

No, we use regular browsers, like uh unclass, like most of us are on unclassed computers most of the time.

SPEAKER_05 6:40

Like, you're just not using Court about like Boink's classified, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Well, that's different because because Boink works in a place to where you can't take your phone, like you you gotta like knock on the door a certain way. No, you just gotta knock on the door. Somebody has to come open it and and and make sure you got the right clearance before they let you in. So it wasn't him doing you gotta ask Boink about that.

SPEAKER_05 7:08

I don't know.

Media Manipulation And Deepfakes

SPEAKER_02 7:08

I mean, we I will I will one day, but um, but no, uh I yeah, no, the thing about Sora though, I'm afraid because of like you see the stuff in Minnesota and how you see a video and then you hear a media narrative and it's totally different. Yes, I'm afraid that like this Sora stuff, it's just them attempting to be able to produce things on the produce things on on platforms that may not be a true uh depiction of what happened so it can be covered the way that they want it to be covered.

SPEAKER_05 7:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

I don't know if you know this, but I'm a closet conspiracy theorist.

SPEAKER_05 7:47

You're a closet, huh?

SPEAKER_02 7:49

Yeah, I don't believe all of them, and I believe that you can function in the world without conspiracy uh inside of certain margins. But I do believe in conspiracy, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:01

So who do you think was in the grassy knolls, Lee?

SPEAKER_02 8:05

Uh I I don't care about who's in the grassy knolls, I just care that somebody was placed there to make sure that a certain thing happened and it happened.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

See a Tupac.

Conspiracies, Credibility, And Precedent

SPEAKER_02 8:16

Well, here's the problem, right? When you try to conspiracy everything, you get no credibility. And if you try to conspiracy every fucking detail, you're setting yourself up again to lose credibility. What you're looking at is for things that make sense, that reasonably make sense, and you have precedent to justify it, or say for Kennedy, you have history and the future, right? You know, from that when it happened to the current, to then balance it off of different things to see if it makes sense, and that's when you start to dive into details and stuff like that. Like for me, big in Tupac, it it's not worth my time because what do we gain from it?

SPEAKER_05 9:06

You know, there's nothing big about that.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Hey, I I threw this theory out on Village Vets yesterday, and I'll tell you, dog, there are sometimes topics that I like to do on that show, and then bring it.

SPEAKER_05 9:22

I got to catch uh some of it. I think I told you because I was at Manny's. Yeah, you told me. Yeah, I didn't get to listen to the whole thing because we then we were talking, then it was music and stuff, but I did throw it off, but yeah, I appreciate that. But well, I'm a supporter of the show. I mean, just as I hope the people who are supporting this show, uh which hey, we gotta change up the fucking bottom. What is this, Lee?

SPEAKER_02 9:43

I put the wrong thing on. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_05 9:46

God damn you. In the stream, let's restart. Who do you want?

“Famous Feds” In Hip-Hop

SPEAKER_02 9:54

Diva, but no, so I I I talked about like these famous feds, right? Because you know, when you watch the docs, you find out, hey, there's there's CIs everywhere, there's uh quote unquote people planted everywhere, right? And they talk about hip hop plants and stuff. And I'm like, bro, if there are CIs inside of organized crime, inside the government, and inside all of these different places, you can't tell me that some of these rappers and some of these rap podcasters, like your fat Joe's or or even your Diddy's, or even uh, I know it's not hip hop, but Bill Cosby's some of these people could have been, you know what I mean, federal informants.

SPEAKER_05 10:41

There are some that you can't, I think we can believe. I think Diddy, the could the way that people have talked about it, it feels like, and it's all conspiracy from that standpoint.

SPEAKER_03 10:51

Well, yeah, all this is conspiracy.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

It does feel like he maybe of all people are Kelly Crystal somebody that did deals because he went so under the radar, but like was so open with it to a degree, he was open with what he was doing, and he's again like a snoop dog, and I'm not saying Snoop is, but like he's somebody that's connected to a lot of stuff and he's been in it for a long time, to where you know, people can say East Coast, West Coast, whatever, but like these are people that have been connected to a lot of stuff for a long time, like they've been connected to a lot of stuff for a long time, and and you think about all of these uh executives from like these different, you know, label, you know, these different labels that are like that that are signed to a parent label. We know these are money laundering things, right?

SPEAKER_05 11:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

So if we're allowing this money laundering for you to build your label and tell these stories because they're profitable, and then sometimes randomly we see guys who may try to get too big for their britches end up in jail on things that happened a long time ago, you know. Like Diddy's stuff wasn't recent.

SPEAKER_05 12:07

No, it wasn't, you know, well, except for little uh who's the rock, yeah, kind of brought it back to life. I mean, I know Cassie's video did, but like no, Cassie brought it back to life.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

But Cassie's lawsuit is what brought it her her civil lawsuit that she filed is what like not even a week later. Not even 24 hours later.

SPEAKER_05 12:30

Yeah, but the problem was that down very quickly.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

But the problem was she filed it, so now that becomes record, so now it can be possibly used against you, right?

SPEAKER_05 12:40

Yeah, the dead.

SPEAKER_02 12:42

And you know, inconvenient with that weird New York law that was about to expire, so she hit it like a week before the deadline. Not saying that she shouldn't have done it, not saying that Diddy shouldn't be held accountable.

SPEAKER_05 12:56

Yeah, he should be in jail like he is, right?

Cassie, Diddy, And Timelines Of Accountability

SPEAKER_02 12:58

But he probably should have he probably should be out of jail because he probably should have gone to jail a long time ago when it happened. You know what I mean? Or like Bill Cosby getting called out on stuff 20, 30, 40 years later. Not saying he shouldn't be held accountable for and not saying that there is a uh end date on justice because there's not. But I find it convenient when you see powerful people who may be linked to a move here or there, or or or something's just kind of off all of a sudden getting charges that existed in their past life. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 13:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Or they're getting charged for what they did in their past life, not to say that they've changed or or became better people, but it's like they're still monsters. Yeah, but like we we know that the feds will keep feeding you rope, feeding you rope, and if you are an informant, they will let you they they know you're a criminal, and they're letting you be a criminal under their watch to get a quote unquote bigger criminal.

SPEAKER_05 14:06

So they're getting a piece of that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

I I just think it's it's something to think about. Again, it's not uh a steady belief I have, but Fat Joe talks far too much about being a gangster and all of this stuff that they did, you know, stabbing, shootings, killings, you know, people scared of Joey crack, but he gets to talk about and sit courtside at Knicks games. I I do that's a bit odd.

SPEAKER_05 14:32

The typical runaround, Lee.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Yeah, it's but, anyways, how you doing today, man?

SPEAKER_05 14:36

I'm doing fantastic. I'm glad that we kicked up the first 15 minutes this way, though. Hey, I I think we were having a great conversation pre-production, by the way, guys. I we will have that eventually on a show, but you know, but yes, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 14:50

I'm sorry, not too bad, dog. I actually sent someone a a text before the show. Uh, and I was like, yo, I think me and and Parlay P are about to uh after today's show, it's gonna be our best three-week run that we've that we've had. Yeah, and I don't mean it from a likes, views, none of that stuff. I'm just talking about chemistry, flow, the show, the the prep, the lack thereof, all of that stuff working because you said last week was gonna be great. And when I read that text, I'm like, this nigga talking about. I mean, yeah, I there's nothing like it feels like it's just gonna be a regular show. Like, I didn't think we were gonna be shitty. Like, I never think we're gonna be shitty, and you know this. We've potted under much worse circumstances, yeah. Much worse. Absolutely. I mean, niggas been in the fire and got burnt, and then said, Hey, I've got to put on this happy suit real quick and then do a show, and then I'll be right back in the fire. I just just give me two, three hours, okay?

SPEAKER_05 15:58

Yeah, give me a second and let me try to escape.

Pivot To Sports: Falcons And The Coaching Tree

SPEAKER_02 16:05

But no, yeah, but then today I was just like prepping. I'm like, man, today's gonna be a good show because even when I thought about the title that I didn't ask you about, because uh to be honest, I loved it, and I and I knew you would love it too. But you know, Super Bowl is set, but we're gonna turn this into a Falcon segment. Well, because that's what that's what that's what we're here for, and that's uh the it's not the the seed that planted the show, but certainly it is a uh key cog in our machine, yes, and I think you know you suggested we open with the Falcons, and I think we should. So, really quick, guys, the Super Bowl is set. We have the New England Patriots uh facing off against the Seattle Seahawks. The Seahawks are favored it. I think it opened at what Seahawks minus four and a half, I think.

SPEAKER_05 16:59

So it opened at five. I looked, I mean, I'm talking as soon as the NFC Championship ended, that's what MGM put it up at. It was plus five. I think now it's down to four, which is because immediately I thought, wow, that's a lot, even though I like Seattle to win, and I mean we'll talk about that next week, more so in depth about the picks. But when I saw that, I did, I just still was like, that's kind of disrespectful.

SPEAKER_02 17:27

Yo, I just thought about this. Hey, I just thought about this schedule-wise. Oh no, our last show, we do Super Bowl and awards to put a wrap on the regular season, right?

Super Bowl Set And Early Lines

SPEAKER_05 17:39

And then we try to revisit what we did. Okay, okay, isn't it crazy that we went from Jalen Carter on the first before the first play of football spitting on deck to here today? Like, doesn't that feel like that was not that long ago? Like Jalen Carter, like, we were everybody's like, Why did that nigga just hock a loogie?

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Yeah, and we had just did the rebrand and everything.

SPEAKER_04 18:04

It's like, wow, yes, it's over.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

But no, so we got the Super Bowl set. But the important part about this conversation is uh two years ago, the Falcons had a head coaching uh vacancy, uh kind of like one we just had this this offseason that we've already filled with uh Kevin Safansky. I'm optimistic.

SPEAKER_05 18:23

Thano, not Thanos, but Fano.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

Yeah, you know, he just it's you know, Pro Bowl quarterback, more to come, anyways. Um, and we hire viewed Mike McDonald. Don't know how he felt about the job, but you know what? He showed up for a freaking interview. He did, and we hired Mike Vrabel, who did not take a job in that coaching cycle, but again, kind of knew the Patriots thing was gonna be available, but he still took the interview, which meant that he could be swayed.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 18:59

And now these two guys are coaching in the Super Bowl, and we are here to do I knew that that's how you were gonna leave that in by the way, huh?

SPEAKER_05 19:17

See, I knew that that was how you were gonna leave that in, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

And we are here with a brand new head coach, Kevin Stefansky. Kevin Stefansky, this has nothing to do with you. This is all precedes your regime, okay? All this talk, if you hear this, has nothing to do with you. Okay, we support you, even if we don't like you. I'm not saying we don't like you, we support you because we want you to win. But instead of having one of the potentially having one of the coaches who's playing in the Super Bowl, another coach who got to the second round of the playoffs in his first season, Ben Johnson, um, we are replacing our head coach.

SPEAKER_05 19:57

Yes, as we should be, as we've talked about.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Prior, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:03

We yeah, we believe in getting rid of hard R and for some reason, not because necessarily we want to see the nigga lose, but it's just like two hundred seasons in a row, and you already technically did have that third season because you got interviewed. I know, I know it's not fair to do that to him, but that's also a part of this.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

No, it's not. I don't I don't think I don't think it has anything to do with him getting fired. If he produced, he would have a job.

SPEAKER_05 20:34

Most people have two years over two years, some people only get one. It's never normally, it's not normally two, it's one or three.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Yeah, but this was also a sexy uh uh head coaching cycle.

SPEAKER_05 20:47

And you said the complete opposite initially, though, for your reason for why you didn't want to follow. Well, I know that you came around to it, but that is what you said. I've got the text to prove it.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Well, no, I I I also didn't expect uh Marball to get fired.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

I think we knew Stefanski was gonna get fired.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

I kind of knew it, but that wasn't in my but again, I thought Stefanski would be the top dog, and I know we don't get the top dog. So, yes, Stefansky, good coach candidate, but when you don't think you when you don't think you can get him. That's fair. Yeah, you know what I mean? And Steelers fans, I'm I'm with you, but like I wouldn't I was would be happy with Mike McCarthy, but at the same time, I'm not buying a honey pack.

SPEAKER_05 21:35

Yes. Your penis isn't standing up, right?

Steelers, Bills, And Organizational Fit

SPEAKER_02 21:42

Yes, yeah, yeah, you know. So it changed as Harbaugh became available. I mean, McDermott's available now. If if we hadn't had Stefansky, I didn't want McDermott, but I'm not mad at it. Um, we didn't we didn't talk about that shit, the fucking owner in there. I know we're supposed to be talking about the Falcons, but the Bills owner, and then he promotes the GM Bill's owner is right. I've heard about him.

SPEAKER_05 22:11

Well, I mean, he owns the Sabres, and obviously, which we don't talk about tennis on the show, but as a better, I have to bring this up. His daughter is Jessica Pagula. Jess his name's obviously last name, Terry Pagula, but like Jessica Pagula is like one of the best tennis players in the world. His daughter is one of the best tennis players in the world, and she's in the uh final four for the Australian opening. And I just put a live wager in on her as we speak. But the thing is, I'm telling the truth, I'm being honest, that's why I know because even when I saw, I was like, that's such an odd last night. I'm like, they gotta be boys. This was like three years ago, so I've known this for a while. But my point is this she was a super underachieving player, and I'm not saying that his family has anything to do with this business, she's become such a great tennis player, and she's semi-attractive. But the thing is, I guess what I'm saying. What does that have to do with it? The Bills had to do what they had to do, and we were all no, I'm not talking about that for a minute.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

I'm not talking about fire McDermott, like I get that. I mean promoting Brandon Bean and and then him coming out and shitting on Keon Coleman, like for no reason.

SPEAKER_05 23:20

Oh, disgusting, and then they then they promoted Joe Brady, is it the head coach? And I'm like, see, you guys really want kind of the same thing that was already going on because Sean McDermott doesn't have anything to do with that roster, yeah. Says an odd higher, like the problem to me, in terms of who was open, and I obviously if the Steelers offered it, he was never gonna turn it down. But Mike McCarthy would have been maybe a good fit, like with the Bills, in my opinion. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

McCarthy vs Shanahan: QB Whisperer Or System

SPEAKER_02 23:54

For what was available, I thought that he was gonna be a good fit because they're in win now mode as much as the Ravens kind of are, but they're in win now mode, and when Mike McCarthy talks about his experience with quarterbacks and what they do when he's calling plays, you got Andy Reed, you got Bill Walsh, you know, there's some guys who who he has to listen to. I don't think Kyle Shanahan can talk quarterback with Mike McCarthy.

SPEAKER_05 24:33

No, no, I don't know. I mean, Matt Schab had great years there. I know he was in Cleveland the one year, I think it might have been Mansdale's rookie year, but like um, obviously, Matt Ryan's best work is under him. Um, RG3 rookie, the rookie year for RG3, obviously health was there, but hit that's under him, and then I mean he turned Mr. Irrelevant into a 60 million dollar year quarterback. And I know that Brock's talented, but I'm just saying, I think he can. I think he can. You want to know who you want to know who uh but hold on, hold on. I think that once I'm not but but hold on.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Before you bring up another coach, like you bringing up Kyle into this conversation with Mike McCarthy. Look, let's relax. Kyle, Kyle, uh, I mean, McCarthy, I mean, he worked with Joe Montana. Joe Montana worked with him at that point in his career, okay? But that teaches, but but that teaches you a lot. Brett Farth, Aaron Rodgers, and Dak, bro.

SPEAKER_05 25:40

Brett was already solidified, anyways, too, prior to working with him.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

You saw what he did for Aaron and Dak. Dak was better with Mike McCarthy.

SPEAKER_05 25:50

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Dak is who he is today because of his being coached by Mike McCarthy.

SPEAKER_05 25:56

I don't I don't disagree with you.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

I just I think that I just don't think Kyle Shanahan, uh a guy who he may have elevated guys' floors. I've not seen Kyle Shanahan elevate someone's uh ceiling.

SPEAKER_05 26:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

I think Kyle Shanahan plays a winning brand of football that with the right quarterback is really, really fucking good. But it's the entire style of football he plays. I'm not gonna credit to him as this, I'm not gonna credit Kyle Shanahan as some quarterback whisperer. I I I I know people will say that's crazy because guys put up numbers with him, but it's it's the system, and if you can do if say if there's like seven things that you need to do uh in his system to be successful, but there's like 15 quarterback traits that make you elite, if you have those seven, you can be below average and look really good in his system.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Yes.

What Head Coaches Really Do: Be The CEO

SPEAKER_02 27:04

But when we're talking about a Mike McCarthy level, a guy who can turn who can turn a Corvette into a Lamborghini. I don't think Kyle Shanahan can do that. And I mean, this is the guy who had Aaron Rodgers.

SPEAKER_05 27:22

Like, like I'm not saying he's a whisperer, but what I guess what I'm saying is that his work with quarterbacks is proven.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Uh yeah, no, it's proven. I just don't think it should be in this specific conversation. If we're talking about just but who's he whispering? If we're talking about offensive play callers or OCs, head coach play callers, cool. Yeah, Kyle Shanahan is is the best of the best. But when we're specifically talking about that, and again, this is my untrained eye, so somebody might listen.

SPEAKER_05 27:50

Liam Cohen looks like one. Now I'm not trying to talk about, but I'm just Liam Cohen may be one.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

I I need to see it over a few more years.

SPEAKER_05 28:00

I don't know. Shit, it's one of them.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

No, no, well, no.

SPEAKER_05 28:03

Look, Bryce Young year two baker, but canales gets the Panthers job because of the initial.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

No, no, I'm just saying I haven't seen it from Bryce.

SPEAKER_05 28:13

Bryce is he earned himself the fifth year option, which we knew. This is a guy that got benched last year. Continue on.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Bryce has bounced back, but like I gotta see like a no, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:26

This year is a make or break year for him.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

You wouldn't you wouldn't trade, like, you wouldn't trade Michael Penix one for one for Bryce Young. And I'm mutt money not an issue.

SPEAKER_05 28:35

Fuck no.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Money is not an issue. I'm just talking about player skills.

SPEAKER_05 28:39

I'll take the bum knee nigga that I've seen that can throw the ball and the fra what appears to almost be he's not fragile because that's the joke of it, right? Penix is the fragile one, but like he frail looking quarterback.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

The guy who's smaller than we are, yes. Um, what the hell is I talking about? Quarterback whisperers Mike McCarthy. Let's get back to the Falcons, man. We clearly hired the wrong guy two years ago. How does it feel seeing guys who we had in the building in the Super Bowl?

SPEAKER_05 29:23

Uh, business as usual. I feel like I mean Shanahan was literally in our building. Uh and we weren't gonna ever fire DQ, I get it. No. But like if everybody felt so strongly, it's such an unpopular opinion. But the reality of the situation, because it would have just been looked at as wrong. But the reality of it is that if anyone loved Dan Quinn enough, and if the Falcons said we want to make him the head coach after, and it could have been justified in weird ways, it wouldn't have been because we're not winners and we went to the Super Bowl, but in a weird way, it could have been justified, and he would have landed on his feet, anyways.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

So, like it no, I don't think he would have landed on his feet. You don't think well, yeah, because of the point in the year that it was well, because it looked so bad that if Kyle, because again, Kyle knew he had the 49ers job before the Super Bowl, which would mean that you would have to guarantee Kyle the job before the Super Bowl, no matter what happens, and hope to God it doesn't get out. And for Kyle to turn down the 49ers job would say a lot, it would say something, which would mean it even if it didn't get out, or nobody said it, the rumor would exist.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

Correct.

Championship Decisions: Take The Points

SPEAKER_02 30:47

And because Kyle Shanahan is Mike Shanahan's son, and he's not he wasn't like a young hotshot coordinator that came out of nowhere, yeah. He he was ready to be a head coach, even if he wasn't ready, his his dad's there, correct? So he was ready to be a head coach, so that couldn't have happened, but we've talked about this. But what we should have done was made LaFleur the OC and tried to keep Mike McDaniels as the fucking quarterback coach.

SPEAKER_05 31:18

You should have definitely kept both of those guys in the building, and worst case, you probably could have hopped off Quinn earlier, but Quinn bought himself no matter how bad they were, at least two years.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Yeah, because and then we went back to the playoffs and and lost on the hooligan.

SPEAKER_05 31:32

It would have been another, which is what he kind of got. He got three more years after that.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

We could have let him stay for the whole season, but we knew it was over.

SPEAKER_05 31:45

So, like the same thing that Rod just did the year before he got fired in season because Arthur Blank's never done that. That same thing happened, they finished seven and nine, but it was like four in a row to end the year. Yeah, it's like a largely disappointing season.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

It wasn't it wasn't just the record, it was the games you lost, how you lost the games, and when you lost the games, you know what I mean. Like if Raw was win every other week, eight and nine, it looks different. But like when you when you have some hope at the beginning, then you just lose hope in the heart of the season, and then when you you start playing well when you're already out of out of playoff contention, it's like, yeah, nah, bro, you you lose the wrong weeks, man.

SPEAKER_05 32:40

And then and then you did the complete opposite the year before, you got off to a hot start and then finished terribly.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

So you know what? I said this last week, and I was talking to a Steelers fan, a friend of mine, because he's not happy about the DC hire.

SPEAKER_05 33:07

Well, tell him, you know what, that's too bad.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

And no, here's what I told him. I said, man, you gotta you you you've gotta get out of this media world, which we c now call Steve's world, right?

SPEAKER_05 33:19

Yes. Which guys, sound might coming soon for that. We're gonna create one.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

Yeah, we need to. Because think about this.

SPEAKER_05 33:29

Steve's world.

Fans, Coordinators, And Steve’s World

SPEAKER_02 33:30

You got this DC who had who was like the Raiders DC. He was at in Miami. He has not had good defenses, but he's also not had good defensive personnel. And 15 years ago, fans didn't care that much about the coordinator hire. You cared if you knew his name, but a lot of times you don't know these coordinators, you don't know shit about them, so you don't really care. You care about the head coach and all of that stuff, right? But because we have a 24-hour news cycle, you know, and we got guys like Steve just blaring nonsense. People think they should actually care about their coordinator hires when you're not going to be able to release damn near a year from now. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 34:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

Like, outside of being a Tampa Bay fan and and and and and hiring Zach Robinson, who we know who I'm confident is not a good NFL offensive coordinator. Not a good play caller. He doesn't even know where to stand or or sit in the game, upstairs, downstairs. Oh man, yeah. It's good to talk to the quarterback on the sideline. He's a rookie, yeah. He's in his first, second year. Yeah, no shit, Zach. Anyways, you just shouldn't care about your coordinator hires because a lot of these but you do if you have a defensive coach or offensive coach, vice versa.

SPEAKER_05 34:59

Like, you know what I mean? You do, or a CEO coach, it does matter. It matters even more.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

No, no, it it matters. It like all of this stuff matters for the team. But for you as the fan, you should not give it energy. Because you don't really like most fans aren't smart enough to know which coordinators are good and bad. We just see their defenses, and if their defenses are good enough over a long stretch of time or no matter where they go, okay, we believe it. But there are a lot of pretty good coaches who have had terrible GMs, terrible scouts, been in terrible organizations because they're taking the best job that they can get, and the results aren't there. But it's like, hey, I run a 4-3 blah zé blah, right? But my scouts keep my scouts have been uh trained as 3-4 scouts. I don't have any 4-3 scouts, so they don't even know how to scout what I'm looking for. Right. So I think for because it's so nuanced, fans should care less about stuff like that. And maybe people like Steve will stop talking about things that don't really matter just because he and his business owners and partners can make more money off of it because you know, welcome to the but see that the whole the whole premise of even the conversation is just that the people that uh care more about it is because of a Steve.

Rams-Seahawks Sequence And Officiating

SPEAKER_05 36:28

A Steve he injects this rhetoric to where I and actually I'm glad that we brought this up because this is about a coordinator and Steve. Steve and RC brought up the Patriots defensive coordinator. About the Stooges, yeah, yeah, as you call the Stooges.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

No, I didn't call them that. Jason Whitlock called that.

SPEAKER_05 36:51

Yes, he well, he put the three. Who's the third one? It was uh Dan. No, it's Cam. Yes, you're right. He he went after all the Knicks. But the point is, is this they brought up the you know the DC for the um black, and I remember at the beginning of the year they're like, Yeah, he's gonna be like out indefinitely. I never followed it up because I'm not a Patriots fan, but I knew that he certainly didn't start, but obviously he didn't return because he's you know he's doing chemo and stuff. I know as many Americans and not just Americans, many people around the world, cancer big thing. I know exactly how that goes, and so like um the idea that Steve got on there and gave credit, and it's not that that guy wasn't contributing, I'm sure he was in some way, anyway that he could, he did. But he's not calling also didn't want to admit that he was wrong because he did. The question is, whoever just like how Chappelle show or anything's got writers and these people, we know that this these rundowns get talked about before, and there's no fucking way that he didn't know that, but he didn't want to admit it.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

He probably had he probably looked up the Patriots defensive coordinator, and it's like that brother's doing a hell of a job, right?

SPEAKER_05 38:09

But he doesn't remember that he talked about it in August because he's feeding so much shit out here, and where go ahead. Sorry, the facts start to get mixed in.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

Go ahead, and one of the problems, kind of like the uh NFL Hall of Fame that we'll get to later. Hey guys, we have a script, but there's not much set football that we have to talk about, so we're all over the place. But dog, you lose credibility when you say obviously wrong things and you don't go back and correct the record.

SPEAKER_05 38:42

Well, and then double down on them. He doubled down on it like on Twitter. He like doubled down, he responded to somebody and like doubled down on it.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

Well, he's just taking a play out of the Trump playbook because he's gearing up for his run.

SPEAKER_05 38:58

You think he's uh which uh we'll get to that. Maybe hopefully we'll have a little bit of time for that. Uh Nicky Minaj came out today. Him, someone else, I forgot who it was that was up there with her. Um, but they were with Trump at something. It was it was interesting to say the least.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

But um, yeah, because I'm definitely gonna ask you some of these questions questions about how you feel about some of this stuff as a Trump voter, like and not even being a dick, like it's actually you know you know my stance on it. Yeah, yeah, I know, but like it's important to have conversations because all Trump voters get put into one box, and then the case, and and hold on, let me finish. And black Trump voters get put into this other box, and there's way more nuance to it, and there are things that Trump does that some of his voters don't approve of, they don't stand by, and there are other things that he does that niggas didn't even know or care. Like, hey, this ain't my priority, these are so it's just important for us to have that conversation because. It's not being had because in Steve's world, if you're a black Trump voter, you talk like Jason Whitlock, who golly, he makes great points when he shits on like black shit.

NBA Detour: D‑Rose, Legacy, And Hall Bars

SPEAKER_05 40:14

Yeah, he's but he's like everybody he's human, he's 50-50.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

Hold on, but with Whitlock, I don't know. I'm all over. He doubles, it's like he makes his hay on shitting on niggas and like looks to shit on niggas instead of when it's appropriate, shitting on niggas. Like it he like leans in. Sorry, I'm good.

SPEAKER_05 40:39

I I I 100% with you, and we will get to that once we get to that conversation. I think that all in all, uh, to get back just on our topic of Steve's world, Steve has been Steve's world, we're on Falcons first. Well, that's where we were, then we went to coordinators, then we went to Steve's.

SPEAKER_02 40:58

Okay, so we're in Steve's world, okay.

SPEAKER_05 41:00

So we might as well be in Steve's world, which again, uh, for those listening and those that uh play this back, we will begin to have this segment. And I bet that that shit, hopefully, it goes viral enough to where hell, if that if the last take guys can get in, I know that we can too, because it is actually true, and I would love for him to debate us and honestly explain what it is. But and especially because it's like, well, it's not that we want the HBC, it's not that we're black, but I think that he should want to directly deal with it. It's just like, well, we're brothers from the ATL, living in ATL from Georgia. I want to hear this because I've dealt with a lot of New York shit too. And so, like, I know how these motherfuckers think, and it's not to generalize the New York thought, but we'll get to Joe and Jada too. Like, we'll get to this type of stuff. But New Yorkers are liars, they're liars, they're habitual liars. I I want to hurry up and get through football and basketball so we can get to culture because you talk, you brought it up, you brought it up too. Jane did all these New York brother liars. Hey, let's see what's under that category because that's what he is.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

Hey, let's do this, right? Let's go back to football.

SPEAKER_05 42:16

Let's breeze through these championship games, hit the talk about because next week's our Super Bowl preview. We're just gonna talk about the games, obviously, that happened. Yeah, and a little bit of basketball like Giannis.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

D Rose getting his jersey retired. We gotta hit that. Like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Jordan. Hey, that Tyreek Woolen shit that happened. Everybody knows what I'm talking about. He drops the pick. No, excuse me. Puka Nakua makes a great play to pull to pull the his arm away from the ball. He didn't pull the ball away from he pulled, he pulled him away from the ball. Like, great play by Puka. And if you watch Puka play, you can understand like yo, that nigga Puka strong.

SPEAKER_05 43:04

Oh man, yeah. Calvin or maybe Larry, Larry was a pretty big and physical dude, too.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Yeah, he's Anquan Bolden.

SPEAKER_05 43:17

Yeah, okay. So I was thinking more bold, but but Larry was a big dude, too.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

Yeah, he's he's a big guy like Larry, but he's he seemed but he's Anquan Bolden physical, like that nigga runs into linebackers and falls forward. He he he likes contact. He's a hoose, though. He's a hoose, you gotta remember that. Yeah, people might think he's white because of the Aiden Ross shit. Nah, he's a hoose.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

Pat Max.

SPEAKER_05 43:42

You mean this Aiden Ross? That's what they did. Look, I'm not imitating anyone, I'm imitating them, actually. Now, what they imitated, I don't know, because I don't know nothing about that. I don't disrespect people.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

So except for New Yorkers.

SPEAKER_05 43:57

Well, we'll get to them. I'm not disrespecting them, I'm telling them about themselves. That's what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

No, so uh hey, whatever whatever he said on that sideline bullshit, and I say that because no punch was thrown, there was no scuffle, there was no nobody even got in his face. He was just talking shit. He made one of the biggest plays of his life. You know what I mean? He he it was what third down? It was fourth down, his fourth down, he almost caught a pick, which he if he caught the pick, it doesn't nothing matters. They still have the ball, right? And then he's talking shit. NFC championship game. Hey dog, if you've ever made a big play in a game on any level, especially as a cornerback, hardest position to play in sports. I don't give a fuck what nobody says. Yeah, yeah, quarterback, you got a lot to think about, but cornerback you're on the island.

SPEAKER_05 44:59

You know, we didn't talk about this enough, but wasn't it odd that that happened after the play was dead, but it still affected the fact that it because it was fourth down, it should have, yeah. The only thing is not the way that that goes, from my understanding, it would have been tacked on to them having the ball.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

I don't know how it goes, but even if the rule should be hey, once the play is over, if you have a if you have a unnecessary, if you if you get taunting, nothing physical, 15 yards back because that has nothing to do with it does.

Rings, Peaks, And Context: Rose vs Matt Ryan

SPEAKER_05 45:34

I know it works that way with taunting because if he did get the pick and then he ran up and started doing the craziest dances ever, they would not have given them the ball back, yeah. So I know that works that way with that, but because it was not taunting but unsportsman like conduct. I'm just curious as to how that well, we we know who made the phone call. They got headsets, rest got Seattle still covered.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

SPEAKER_05 46:05

Uh sometimes you can't control what happens, but well, Cody Kobe Parkinson dropping that pass.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

But uh, but but but the the the point I make about that is hey, players get excited, and we text about it, and you're like, act like you've been there. And I'm like, he hasn't. I know you're like still act like it. And I was talking to one of my uh one of my friends, uh, been on the show, follower of the show. I was telling and like I sent him the screenshot, I'm like, bruh, and he played corner in high school. He I was like, bruh, you can just tell this nigga ain't played corner and made a big play in the game because like the when you've done it before, the emotions are crazy. So you nigga might have been blacking out and don't even know what the fuck you doing.

SPEAKER_05 46:51

He kept talking them, bro. He didn't just talk the rebels right there. No, no, no. I mean he went further down and kept talking.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

Hey, when you a shit talker, you make a big play, bro. You talking shit, and when again, if it resulted into uh a scuffle, call the penalty. Well, because that nigga was able to go back to the huddle, go back to the sideline. No, man, I'm talking my shit. It's a championship game, anyways.

SPEAKER_05 47:22

And then gets cooked next play.

SPEAKER_02 47:24

But but that's what happens, and that's the thing about if you are a trash talker or if you give up a big penalty, especially at the cornerback position, you have to know they're going, they're going deep first play. Anytime you're emotional, you know, and then bro, it's it's it's a thing. Sudden change when when, hey, if you drop a pick, uh uh, you get a big penalty. Hey, we got we just got a turnover, first play. You want to get that sudden change score because that's when niggas are down, you know. I'm saying people are in their head, all of that stuff. So you go after them, and that's exactly what happened. So, hey, great football by Sean McVay, terrible officiating by the officials. I hadn't listened to anybody talk about the game, so I don't know how they felt about it. Ultimately, it didn't affect the outcome, so it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_05 48:13

Mick McVay did make some mistakes. Some people would like to think that maybe he should have kicked on that fourth down. I didn't disagree with the call, but bro kicked him off. Uh, I disagree with Sean Payton's, which will I guess we'll get to them.

SPEAKER_01 48:28

We can get to them now. Take the points.

SPEAKER_05 48:30

I disagree with that, and and and Chicago did the same thing against the Rams the week before. It's just like the fucking points. Well, what's wrong with three, bro?

SPEAKER_02 48:40

I I know we talked bad about that Lombardi luggage on here at at with Chapel Bill. Well, but one thing he always talked about is bro, no that no the no down, you know. I'm saying know the game, no situation, know what your team's doing, and take the points. I I know your spreadsheet says this and that. It's the playoffs, it's snowing. Take the fucking points. You have a backup quarterback, take the points. Uh uh uh Ben Johnson, you haven't been here before as a head coach. Caleb Williams hasn't been here ever. Caleb hasn't played in the playoffs since high school. Take the points. Sometimes you might be down seven, or you might be down six, you might be down four, whatever. You may get those three points, force a turnover, three and out, or they have a decent drive. You know, it's like seven minutes left in the game. They have a two-minute drive. You stop them after two first downs, and you got the ball back with four with four forty-five left. And you only need three points.

SPEAKER_04 49:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 49:58

Your entire playbook is open. You can run, you can pass because you're trying to kill clock. If you score a touchdown, hey, let's play defense. Yeah. Or you drive it and you fucking kick. Because guess what? If you if you score a touchdown, you go up what six? You could go up six, but you're gonna go for two to try to go up seven.

SPEAKER_05 50:18

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

So you're up five or you're up seven. Either way, they got to score a touchdown to beat you.

Hall Of Fame Standards And Belichick

SPEAKER_05 50:24

Yeah, but it's almost like it's almost like, which I don't know. I know uh Falcons first was still, it feels like Ion's a go kind of, but if you think about it, the same thing applies to Kevin Stefansky hired, you know, the GM guy to be an assistant. There's almost like these critical football things. I know that there are like uh sideline managers, if you will, people that keep track of your timeouts, challenges, or just you know, anything that is not that is essential to the game, but has nothing to do with analytics guy, whatever. Somebody that has all this understanding. And I almost just wonder do these guys just wave it off, or like do they just not like are they such the heat of battle to where it means nothing, and it's a matter of this is why I get paid the big bucks, that's why you're on staff because I make the call. I'm boss man.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

You know, you know the problem. What do you I think here's what I think the problem is a lot of teams hired good offensive play callers to be their head coaches, it's smart because you keep your offensive, you you keep your coordinator. Yes, but the problem is who's the CEO?

SPEAKER_05 51:43

There isn't one.

SPEAKER_02 51:44

If the CEO is in the COO's office all the time, and don't get me wrong, he needs to be there a lot. Yes, but if that motherfucker is is is is is neglecting the CFO, it don't matter how good operations is, because you ain't got you can't finance your operations.

SPEAKER_05 52:05

There's no continuity, anyways.

SPEAKER_02 52:06

Exactly. Yeah, or you're you're underperforming what you could pay for because you're not tying operations to finance, and then if you're not communicating with your HR, your VP of HR, you can't tie finance to operations to manpower. And if you can't tie finance to operations to manpower in RD, right? Well, hey, fuck it. For football's sake, we're gonna throw out RD. We're just gonna talk about what we're doing with what we got, right? Finance, operations, and goddamn manpower, right?

SPEAKER_04 52:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 52:40

Those three things, if you manage those three those three things well, you got a pretty good company, right? Now, if trends change, you might get messed up because you're not doing RD. But if you're in the right market, operations, finance, manpower, you're good. Offense and defense are special teams. Same thing. Operations and finance run the show, right? If we ain't got work and we ain't got money, it don't matter how many people we got.

SPEAKER_05 53:07

Head coach, that damn near head coach, and no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

I'm thinking about it from the three phases of the ball. You got offense and defense, right?

SPEAKER_05 53:15

See, so you're saying finance and and and operations are OCDC, but no, no, no, no, not OCDC, offense and defense, just the three phases of the game.

SPEAKER_02 53:26

Okay, go ahead, and then manpower, special teams. It is not your key ingredient. Hold on, hear me here, hear me out. Hear me out. I give for you go ahead. It's not your key ingredient. But if this ain't right, these other two very important things won't work. Okay, all right, and if your cup, but but if these two things don't work, your company won't work, even if you have manpower, right?

SPEAKER_05 53:53

So it's especially lose you the game, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 53:57

And hey, sometimes coach, be a CEO, don't be a fucking CFO or a COO, because we know coaches aren't they're not HR VPs, they're not that, they don't they don't think they don't think much about that.

SPEAKER_05 54:10

That should be the easy part, is what their opinion is.

SPEAKER_02 54:13

Exactly. But I get it, Sean McVay, I get it, Ben Johnson, I get it, uh uh Sean Payton. Y'all are great play callers. If you want to be a great play caller, go be a fucking offensive coordinator, okay? One of the reasons why Chapel Bill fucked the NFL Hall of Fame, it means nothing to me anymore. It used to be the only respected Hall of Fame. It's lost that.

SPEAKER_05 54:35

Yeah, for CAP.

SPEAKER_02 54:37

Bill Belichick, CEO coach. Disrespect. Yes, yes, he was more defensive, defensively involved. But listen to Tom Brady talk about how he developed as a quarterback. It was watching film with Bill, and Bill is defensively coaching him to make the right play on offense, right?

SPEAKER_04 54:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 54:58

That's a CEO coach. You you understand what I'm saying? Brian Flores. He called that game against the Rams. Bill Belichick didn't call that game, that Super Bowl against the Rams. B Flo called that game.

SPEAKER_04 55:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

And we see what B Flo does.

SPEAKER_04 55:12

Yes. He kicks edge and takes things.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

The point that I'm making is the job of a head coach is to be a CEO. It is not to be a great COO or a CFO. If you are that, that's great. And oftentimes those people can become great CEOs. But even a good CEO that lives his life like a COO or a CFO has to ensure that he is properly insulated with the right manpower and the right and the right opposite, you know what I mean? CFO or COO, whatever the case he may be, to ensure that, hey, we we don't need a CEO. Because hey, if manpower, operations, and finance are tied together, who gives a fuck what the CEO says? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 55:59

No, you're absolutely right. Um, it's like, do your job, do your job, buddy. Um, and I 100% agree with you. So um, yeah, it's it's it's kind of crazy, honestly, when you look at it from that perspective. But that was a great uh way of looking at it, honestly. Uh, you cooked there.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

I'm not gonna lie to you. I was sitting here, I'm like, bro, that's some of my that that that's highlight tape shit.

SPEAKER_05 56:23

We we're putting it up there with the uh which R.I.P. to Kobe, uh, because we did that just passed as well. I just was gonna throw that out there, but um you put it up there with that. Yeah, I know that that doesn't have anything to do with breaking down stuff, but it kind of did. You actually did break shit down.

SPEAKER_02 56:41

Uh yeah, no, it's up there because both were off the cuff, and where I was at in life then, that's who I was. I was big baby, I was wild, I was crazy. You know what I mean? Huh?

SPEAKER_05 56:57

That you don't tell the truth today, but like I think that you let people know.

SPEAKER_02 57:04

Oh, Kobe.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

My greatest quote from that is fuck your Jordans.

SPEAKER_02 57:09

That was that was a care MJ, give me Kobe.

SPEAKER_05 57:14

You spoke for a generation that night, Lee. Yeah, I know that we don't respect him. Jordan's story is uh mythology, it's it's it's mythical.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

But that's what it is to us.

SPEAKER_05 57:27

It's a it's just kind of myth. Like, no, we see it on paper, and we're like, impressive, like you know what I mean, and we know the stars that he played with and what they talk about, but that night specifically, but here's we're gonna get to hold on, but hold on.

SPEAKER_02 57:44

The album thing I put in there about we've got to stop judging albums song by song, and we have to judge the full body of work and and its impact. Yes, that's where we miss with MJ. We got like the after effects, we got like the legendary MJ, so we know what that is, but we wasn't in the streets when MJ, you know, I mean, dropped 63 on the Boston Celtics. We we didn't get to we didn't get to feel we didn't we weren't in Steve's world when they were talking about that. We didn't get to feel the aura of it.

SPEAKER_05 58:18

I we were at home costas watching.

SPEAKER_02 58:22

We were at home, we were at home when Kobe dropped 81.

Pro Bowl Optics And Shadur Hype

SPEAKER_05 58:26

We were at home when Kobe dropped 81. We were at home when he went three years in a row in his prime as high school/slash college. Well, I was in high school, he didn't because LeBron that summer was when I was in PSP, but but regardless, uh I was in high school that the the second, not three-peat, but three in a row for Kobe, and then obviously I was five appearances in a row, right? Yeah, and I was I was eight to ten for the first three-peat and the championships in five years, going to the championship 40 times and four times in five years, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:03

And we were and bro, we were there for we were there for it.

SPEAKER_05 59:08

So point being these are the niggas that inspired niggas to like want to go to the NBA, right? So point being like, yeah, I had we owned a pair of Jordans as kids, but like if you're in our age bracket, I'm 34, you're 32.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

Yeah, so yeah, if you're in our age bracket and MJ's your goat, bro, that's your dad's opinion, that's your uncle's opinion, and not to say that he's not the GOAT, but you did not get to watch it and feel it and understand what you were watching in those moments. Exactly. So, yes, you can contextualize it, but it's always different. John Wall and Gilbert Arenas will be better to me than they will be to somebody 20 years younger than me or 20 years older than me. Because Their l in in their little three to four year five year pockets. They turned they they had the wizards as a four seed, man. That means something.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:12

These niggas was balling.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

John Waller gave you 25, 15, and 7 in two blocks.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:19

And I think that more now, I think it's because Jordan was the superstar, the superstar of that era. We will definitely be better served to talk about guys that are borderline, if not Hall of Fame, play like Derrick Rose. Here we fucked Sean Payton, boring ass game. Moving to the NBA. So it gets into the Derek Rose conversation, honestly, which is why we had to just go ahead and move into it. I look at it this way: Did Derek Rose deserve his jersey retire in Chicago? I think because of maybe what he meant to them. Sure. But Reggie Miller had said, and let me bring it up just because it was on Twitter and Justice. He actually liked my tweet. Not that I don't care about Justice's approval of uh yes, you do. You live for I do, but I don't. Like in a sense of him liking my tweet doesn't mean anything. But hey, is this real quick? Reggie Miller said this. He said that Derek Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame for a six to eight year, six to eight year stretch. Him and LeBron were battling for who was the best player in the game. End quote. And I put up a picture of uh basically death um saying, Hey y'all, look, nigga thought we was finna agree. I don't fucking agree with that. Like that is bullshit, and it's not to take away from Rose. I'm just simply saying, any nigga that seriously watched ball, there's no way what six to eight years were him and LeBron to where we're talking about who's the best player in the league. Stop it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:58

Did Derek Rose have a six-year run?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:02

He said six to eight. I know he didn't have six three-year run of where and I still didn't consider him. Yes, he won MVP, but I did not can I'd never consider Derrick Rose the best player. Just like if Matt Ryan wins MVP, nobody ever considered him the best quarterback in the NFL.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:20

I'm pretty sure niggas picked Aaron Rodgers to win the championship.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:24

But I'm just saying the point is he was never even in that conversation of the best player in the NBA. Yes, he's MVP, but he was never considered the best. Nobody ever thought that. Who did you think it no?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

Parlay P. I think Matt Ryan was a very good comparison. I won't say great because Matt Ryan, although no, I wasn't gonna no no no. I was gonna say that Matt Ryan had a longer high-end career, although his peak was not Derrick Rose's peak, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:03

But it was, they they resulted in the same thing, and Derek Rose needs to go to the NBA final.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:07

No, no, no, no. I'm I'm talking about like eye test. Just just eye test stuff, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:11

I test Matt Ryan was he's the MVP.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:15

Yeah, no, no, no. I no, I just mean put it this way. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, let me let hold on, let me finish the point to try to paint it for you. I am saying Matt Ryan was the MVP, Derek Rose was an MVP. Both were more important to the city that they played in than they were to the league at large long term. Now, Matt Ryan, he has more better counting stats. He looks more favorably than Derrick Rose because he was healthy and had a full career as a starter, a high-end top 10 quarterback in the NFL for a great portion of his career. Derrick Rose, unfortunately, because of his injuries, did not have that that long, that long, that he had a long career, but not a long high-end career. But what I'm saying is you can make similarities to them because they're more significant to the team and the city, and I won't even say the city, because Matt Ryan, Atlanta don't focus on Matt Ryan. But like Atlanta, Atlanta, Atlanta Falcons, Chicago, Chicago Bulls, they're more important there than they are to the in the national conversation. Now, Derek Rose is a national guy because his eye test was so amazing, but he did not, again, he didn't have a long a high long peak.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:52

But he just had to play for a glamorous market and one of those franchises as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:57

Yeah, but I'm yeah, and that and that's probably why Matt Ryan is less popular nationally. But the point being uh but Matt Ryan said what he did for the Jets, he'd be nobody would even think twice about it, but he probably for the Bears, he probably wouldn't have done it for the Jets that, but that's a conversation for another well, but but we are a bad franchise, too. Uh yeah, but we had TD. But but but hold on, but guys in there too. I know you're gonna cape for Matt Ryan, but amongst Derrick Rose's peers and amongst Matt Ryan's peers, Derek Rose's peers are gonna speak more highly of Derek Rose than Matt Ryan's peers are.

Culture Desk: Cole’s Mixtape And Real Rap

SPEAKER_05 1:05:39

But we at but you know what, but here's the thing, too, and this is why the basketball hall of fame is the basketball hall of fame, it's not the NBA Hall of Fame. They're gonna think about him at Memphis and what he did in high school as well. Nobody's taking away that Derek Rose was a bad boy.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:52

Hey, no, no, no, no. I'm I'm talking about, but no, no, no. Address exactly what I said. His peers, Derrick Rose's peers will speak more highly of him as a player than Matt Ryan's peers will. Do you agree or disagree with that?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:05

I I do agree with that, but I've got a baller. But do you think Matt Ryan was a better Matt Ryan's than than than Derrick Rose at their peaks? Yeah, I think that they're on the same playing field.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:22

You're fucking nuts, Pierce. No, I'm not comparing you are out. No, no, you're out of your fucking mind.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:29

I'm out of my mind that two people that won an MVP can be looked at as the same. One was more of an injury-prone player, the other one was consistent for years.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:38

No, no, I am talkingly, but I said peak for a reason.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:46

Matt Ryan having a full career. Hold on, Matt Ryan having a full career allow puts him at Derek Rose level, athlete to athlete, right? But Derek Rose, Derrick Rose's peak as an individual talent is way higher than Matt Ryan. Way higher, yes. Fuck yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:11

Matt Ryan didn't, and I'm not a Derrick Rose hater, but and only because one of them actually fucking continued on and they did the same thing he did. I always thought that Russell Westbrook was better than him, too, and they're more comparable as players. No, they don't play the same exact brand of basketball, but I always thought that Russell Westbrook was a better version of Derrick Rose because it's the truth.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:37

Russell Westbrook didn't lead a team to the conference finals.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:39

He didn't have to, but he played in the NBA finals even as a second fiddle. He won an MVP. Like still doing it today. Like, like these are things, it's not about longevity either. I'm just saying, I would take Westbrook over him. We could continue to do these if look, if my uncle wasn't thinking he'd have a dick.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:03

I think your problem is right now, your bias, both your your affinity for Matt Ryan.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:10

It's not about that though. Go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:14

Your bias and your affinity for Matt Ryan and your trust in your personal eye test is clouding. I listened to niggas who played against Derek Rose talk about Derrick Rose. I saw Derrick Rose in what year three? Once he MVP? And I'm a Matt Ryan fan. And my conclusion is both of these guys deserve to get their jerseys retired. They're Ring of Honor guys, they're not Hall of Famers.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:48

So again, which is how we started this thing. I agree with that as well. Well, no, I believe that Matt should get in eventually, which that's your bias. Now we gotta we're gonna have to backtrack to the NFL Hall thing, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:00

That's your that that that's your bias. Because yeah, Matt Ryan's not a hall of famer.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:03

All right, so let's look at Pooh's stats. For one, this whole conversation started off with something that Reggie Miller fucking said. Reggie Miller sitting here saying six to eight years, and like you said, did he even have a six-year run? No, the fuck he didn't. He made three all-star teams 2010 to 2012. He won the MVP in 11. So the middle of that one all NBA first team rookie of the year. Derrick Rose won rookie of the year. Yes, okay. He didn't even have any other ones. He was first team, it was a year he won MVP. But outside of that, which is why the Matt Ryan comparison is great, in my opinion. Matt's only made one all pro. But the thing is, now three Pro Bowls too, right? No, he made four, and he should have had a fifth. They didn't give him the one. Mr. Trubisky got it over him the year he put up the MVP numbers, and we didn't make so. But we know that the Pro Bowl's Fugazi. Unlike the All-Star game in the NBA, we we now know which another thing we need, we should probably backtrack on. But the point is that the Pro Bowl's fucking Fugazi. I don't put any stock into that silly ass shit anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:05

Hey, Derek Rose averaged uh 18 a game in Minnesota and Detroit. Just throwing it out there.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:11

He had a he had like a 50 or 60 point game, but real quick, so that's my point. All right, so let's take a look at the numbers. If we look at the numbers, he had one, two, three. I'm gonna take out 11-12 and 13-14, 51 games and 14-15. That might have been one of those lockout seasons for all I know, and then he did 66 the next year.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:32

14-15 was when um he hit that game one against Braun them in the playoffs.

Stephen A, Whitlock, And Ratings Over Rigor

SPEAKER_05 1:10:36

Okay, so my point is is this this is a guy that in his MVP year average 25-8-4, and really aside from that, was kind of an anomaly. Everybody's like, the injuries, and it's like, yes, the injuries played a part in it because he played 10 games, he played 39 and then 10 games, but 51's decent in even in today's NBA, 51's a good number, 66, then 64 the following season. This is a guy that if we look at his prime before he really stopped playing, he basically had two years where he missed. Well, outside of that, he really was fucking playing this whole time. Yeah, yeah. He was spotty, no, but he wasn't having no season-ended injuries in these years.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:17

He but he his you watched basketball.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:21

I what and I watched him.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:22

Hold on, you watched basketball, and you know that post-injury he was a different player.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:28

Chris Douglas Roberts was a better player on Memphis. Nah, I'm I don't really, I'm just saying that.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:33

But but hold on, like, like, and see, but hold on, this is important, this is very important because if we look at the stat sheet, I sound fucking nuts. I sound crazy if we look at the status.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:44

This is my point. But no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:46

I'm not, it's not just paperwork.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

No, no, I I but it's high tests.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:51

After the injury more to the league than Matt Ryan, yes. I can agree with you on that though.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:56

Yeah, I don't even think that's I don't that's not even worth talking about. I'm just saying that like after the injury, he he's no longer a he's no no longer number one build-around guy, he's now a role player, right? They they tried it, they tried it at that 14-15. Yeah, and Jimmy was like, Hey, bro, it look hey, he ain't who he used to be. Give me the ball, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:25

Jimmy's team, which just real quick. I really didn't, I meant to say this earlier because we've had a viewer that timed in uh here. Uh, shout outs to Demi. How are you doing, Demi? It's good to uh, I'm glad that you're watching, and it's good to hear from me. But uh, she said your take on D Rose is inaccurate. Just wanted to say that.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

So, yeah, she take your side. Uh, I expect that.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:47

No, no, no. My take on D Rose is inaccurate. Oh, yeah, well, she gets it. She texted to me. That's what I'm saying. And now Demi's a basketball person herself.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:55

I know that's why I said she gets it. Sorry, I'm sorry, Demi. I just pulled a Steve. I had like a pre-built answer, and then I told the truth the second time.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:06

Yeah, uh niggas, boy. I tell you, but the point is this this is all I'm saying. At the end of the day, I don't think that um Derek Rose Reggie Miller's take. What I which I what I initially brought up, I don't want to talk about this. Even if he was, I don't even know if he was healthy, if he really would have stop, stop, stop. You watch saying he didn't have Hall of Fame talent, but I did watch it, but I'm just saying nigga year three, he was averaging 25 and 8. Was his 21 that a fucking? I don't know if it was that fucking effective. I think that tip Thibodeau is a good coach. I think we can agree on that. Uh Joe Kim Noah one year got MVP votes. Like Joe Kim Noah, people forget how good he was. He didn't score points. He was a DPO, he won a DPOY.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:56

He didn't score points.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:57

Lou Al Dang was good. Kurt Heinrich, very solid guard to have with you. What who else they have? Was Chris Duhan still there? Like cares. I know irrelevant in that school. Well, and they didn't even win.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:12

So it's just how hey, look here. We watched D Rose. Hey, another thing about I watched him at Memphis too.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:19

We watched him at Memphis.

Watercooler Talk After Steve-ification

SPEAKER_02 1:14:20

Hey, hey, hey, did you know? Did you know that the year Giannis won his first MVP, James Harden was 36, 7, and 7? And Giannis was like 27, 12, and 7.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:32

The year Steve Mash went back to back, Kobe averaged 30 fucking five, and everybody was like, Oh man, I know I look here.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:41

I really hate when you bring up Kobe in these situations because it makes me say something disrespectful or that appears to be disrespectful.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:49

Like, hey, you're giving Kobe his flyer, so anything you say, I just will bring up the footage.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:54

Well, I mean, no, it's it has nothing to do with Kobe, it has to do with your affinity for Kobe. You know, it's it's giving me uh it's giving me uh uh uh uh uh what's her name?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:05

Um are you trying to call me a D-Rot?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:08

I wouldn't say a rider. I would say people may think you're on the volleyball team.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:17

Okay. So I go back and forth, huh?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:22

No, no, no. You know, they wear knee pads.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:26

This guy. Um that's all you can normally say to those type of comments. This guy. Um but the point is I'm ready to get a this nigga. No, this guy. You know, Lee, you're stepping into pal territory, all right? Pal. Like, he's like, he's like, all right, listen, pal. You know. I think that at the end of the day, um the day's gotta end. Well, that is a true fact as well, but I just think that I respect Derrick Rose. I remember the Derrick Rose era. I thought that he was a good player, but like um Matt Ryan's better, I get it. He's like Penny Hardaway if Penny got three more years of like basketball in his life.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:19

It's like the same thing, and so I think the 50 piece in Minnesota, and he called it before the game, according to his teammates.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:28

Yeah, I know he went through a lot too. Yeah, for him to going on, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:34

For him to be able to do that in the way that he even shot damn near 40% from three one season, I think that speaks to I think that speaks well about what a non-injured D. Rose would be. But let's get back to the NFL. Uh, we gotta talk about the Hall of Fame and it's bullshit. Hey, they got one thing right. They told Eli, no, he's not first ballot, damn it.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:55

No, he this was his second year. And I I always thought that Eli. I mean, again, I'm a I'm a believer that Eli shouldn't be in. He's a 500 quarterback that had multiple seasons where he led the league in picks. That's not Hall of Fame worthy.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:08

I don't he was he was never he was never he was never elite except for in the two playoff runs. He didn't even win a playoff game except for those two years.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:17

Somebody said this once, and maybe it was specifically about first ballot. But can the game of football, the story, can it be told with or without you? If it's if you have to be a part of it, then your first ballot.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:31

Eli has to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:34

Then we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:37

He's the antagonist, he's the antagonist.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:39

But Nick Foles almost would have to be brought into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:41

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:41

Eli he's somebody that beat Brady too.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:44

No, the undefeated season.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:49

I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:51

He's in the story, he's a character, but he's he he's at the bottom of the credits.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:59

Yeah, man. He's uh the assistant to the to the he's an extra. He was buying donuts for the assistant to the lighters, bro. He wasn't no disrespect to him.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:09

No, no, he was an extra that we remember. Hey, you remember that nigga that was in that movie? Hey, like in Harlem, like in Harlem Knights, right? In Harlem Knights, the nigga.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:19

Samuel Jackson doesn't have a credit in coming to America and everybody knows his scene, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:24

Or like that's even better. Because I was gonna say in Harlem Knights, the nigga who just keeps shooting the gun with the little, you know, huh?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:31

Arsenio.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:32

No, no, no, no, no. The other nigga, the one that Arsenio hit with the hat because he just shooting that little pistol. Yeah, it's like I don't know who that is. But if I've but everybody knows that scene from that movie, you know what I mean? Yes, but uh no, Samuel O'Jackson and coming to America's.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:48

Yeah, he's uncredited in that movie, but everybody knows, and it's the first movie he actually appeared in. And niggas remember that role. If anybody moves, I'll blow your fucking head off.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:00

I think that's before he cleaned his life up, too.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:03

Come on, he's like, Come on, come on. He's telling Louie Anderson to put the money in the bag, like ah, classic movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:09

I love you like you like coming to America or coming to America?

Friendship Lines, Language, And Respect

SPEAKER_05 1:19:15

Coming to America, not coming to America. I mean, you know, look, hey, hey, call me old-fashioned, but look, I I like I was gonna say something. I'm not gonna say it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:27

It was a lot of women's empowerment in that second movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:31

Well, Rick Ross is making cameos because they're using his house. There's just stuff that's like, all right.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:36

I I watched that movie once because I was supposed to.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:41

So be it, so be it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:44

This is culturally inappropriate.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:47

With AC Lee coming to uh screen near you.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:50

Oh, yeah, I was gonna text you. When my Instagram picture changes, you'll know we're coming soon. I got a I got a meeting tomorrow. I think I found somebody who can manage all the social media across all three shows. And uh I think that's gonna be uh very important.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:15

So if that if I get that in place, we'll probably be two, three months out.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:20

Okay, so we're looking at June, yeah, probably summer. Because see, you want to know what I would want to help produce more than anything with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:31

That show, yes. I don't need to be executive producer, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, that's another conversation for us to have later. I like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:40

I love that I'd love to. No, bro. I'd love to like cultivate the show. Seriously.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:44

Hey, I like to make shows with you.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:48

Well, look, and and I'll throw some idea. I mean, we get the merch and even the guests, yeah, and and that's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:54

Yeah, you know, we'll talk about that later. Let's talk about the the the NFL Hall of Fame losing its credibility. Yes, the one hall of fame that we held in high regard, a hall of fame that our issue with the NFL Hall of Fame more so was hold on.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:14

I'm paying attention, Miley, but I'm doing a uh head real quick. But can you go?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:19

We're like, hey, maybe y'all are too strict because you know TO had to wait, and that didn't make sense. The wide receiver position historically waits in a way that does not make sense to anybody. Uh, you you look at Shannon Sharp, who retired as the as arguably the GOAT tight end at that point, the only tight end who had the only high-end tight end with stats and Super Bowls.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:42

And he had to wait like six years, whatever, or three years. He went like three, Chris Carter waited six, or vice versa, whatever. Guys who were at the top of their positions, all decade guys, had to wait. And you're like, okay, well, maybe uh uh, but whatever. But when the guy who is universally regarded as the GOAT head coach, eight Super Bowl championships as a head coach, 10 super uh uh two Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator, he has a game plan in the Hall of Fame Lee 19 of 20 like in a 20-year span, 19 of 20 on the division, or uh 18 of 20 on the I mean, what are we are we in the one year he didn't lose he didn't win it was what 10 and 6 with Matt Castle?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:25

10 and 6 with Matt Castle, and then they lost the year after their first Super Bowl. Uh Chad Pennington won it with the Dolphins.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:33

So you go 18 of 20 years and you win a division. That that's that's college level, that's Saban level college dominance. That's not even like Joe Pa or Bobby Bowden or that that little shit Dabo was doing for a little while. This nigga won conferences, he won a division. He he won conferences, he went to conference championship damn near every year, and he won Super Bowls, a lot of them.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:03

You are in a room of your own, excuse me. Yeah, there is no other coach in reality that the modern era has seen that seriously. I mean, you could say maybe Bill Walsh, I guess. And you could say he didn't win like that. I mean, he got three. I know Seaford won one, but like Chuck Nolan. He also ushered in a new era of West Coast, like you know, so he's got his innovativeness, but but but but here's the thing with Belichick, too, it's not just what he did as a head, it's what he did as a coordinator, and what he did as a defensive coach as a head, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:39

Like, Bill Belichick was the nigga who hey, we're gonna install all of this shit in the offseason, yes, and some of this shit that we install in July, you know, when before you show up, we're not gonna run until December. And you're gonna remember it, or you won't play. You know, Mike Tomlin is the standard is the standard, but Bill really showed you what a standard is, and Bill would cut off his nose to spite his face because he was more interested in the process and how we do things, exactly, and not the result. And guess what? He got the most results. And this ties back to Steve's world too, by the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:29

Well, of the media.

Closing Loop: Next Week’s Super Bowl Plan

SPEAKER_02 1:24:32

Well, because you remember we grew up watching sports and and and we found the sports writers or the talkers that we liked because they talked about what was relevant, and we got to pick a perspective that we liked because it was a real perspective and a real conversation, versus now. If you listen to anything on network television that's in a decent kind in a decent watching spot, you go, nobody I know would say this. You know, niggas appreciated the JA Adande, a Kevin Blackestone, uh name anybody who's been on fucking around the horn, or PTI, excuse me.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:12

You go, oh, I like this guy. I I like where he's coming from. It's different. But I thought this, and he's making me smarter. Like the reasons why we love the Bill Simmons and a Ryan Rossillo, uh uh, a Rich Eisen. And again, these are guys who are fairly solid, not Bill Simmons, but the other two are.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:30

I mean, I love I well, you know how I feel about Bill. I still believe Bill is the greatest sports writer that of the internet era.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:39

I'm not knocking his legacy, but as an internet guy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:43

I'm speaking about Bill today because he's become a guy who used to set trends and now he is feeding the algorithm.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:52

He's Thanos. If it's Steve's world, if Steve Steve's world is uh what did they call it in Marvel? Uh world like I don't know what's 306 or whatever they call it. He's Thanos then. He's the one merging because he it's he look he's Thanos then if it's Steve's world.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:13

And the funny part about this whole Steve's world thing and us tying it to like media, it's not really Steve's world.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:22

Yeah, but it's believed that it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:25

I know, I know, and and and and but I'm explaining that for some people who might not watch this show regularly and think that we're praising him because Bill Simmons made more money in media than Stephen A. Smith.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:40

100%. He did it in one year over what potentially Steve is Steve has done since he's become ESN's top guy. Maybe, I mean, you gotta think about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:51

Bill went to HBO. The show didn't work, but he still was he still went to HBO. He built the ringer, then then then sold that to the fucking uh Netflix. I mean to to Spotify.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:07

And then now the ringer is at Netflix. He you think Bill didn't get paid for that transaction?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:15

I think that Bill was offered a blank check when they did that.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:20

Bill might be the best digital executive. Like a showman.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:29

I mean, I'm just thinking about basically he's a showman.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:35

I'm thinking about the podcast network, the docs. Hey, look, I'm not gonna lie to y'all. I'm over here trying to build a media company right now. I have stolen so much from Bill Simmons. Shit, is Stephen A making more money than Calherd?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:57

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:58

Calheard has 520 signed, and they got an Adidas deal.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:01

I mean, in in Shay under the volume, no, no, he weren't they in the they were in negotiations.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:08

I thought he was being distributed by the volume, and then you know, when all after the shit happened, he dropped it.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:14

So 100 he's he's he's independent, he's indie. Yeah, really? I'm shocked. Like, I'm saying with how popular, because you know, it felt like Shannon was headed in that direction of again. I hate to say it, almost like he wanted to be. I'm not saying Oprah for sports, but like and just pop culture because I guess Oprah kind of does pop culture, but Oprah's like news, too. Like, she's not just you know, Oprah was like everything, but almost like Shannon was in that realm, and then in the Steve Harvey type.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:50

I think he was going he was going stray hand and that and and uh my man's from CBS who looks like it was even a little bit of Steve Harvey-ish to where he could just like pivot to any, he's not funny, no, kind of, but what's my guy at CBS play for uh Nate Burleson? Nate Burleson, yeah. I I think he was trying to go that Nate Burleson uh to get in the good boy in America. Hold on, let me finish. I'm sorry, Nate Burleson, Michael Strahan route, while being somebody that niggas actually fucked with because of how how he gives it up, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:26

How he gives it up, huh? Yeah, oh yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:30

Yeah, but but but you know what I mean. Like Mike, like Michael Strahan. We we champion him because he's black and doing all of this stuff in media, but he does not resonate with black people.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:40

Well, he's got a white wife, not that that means that you can't be black.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:44

I mean, white wives, we have friends that have white wives.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:48

I've got plenty of white friends myself, I'm sure you do as well. We've got white co-workers, I work with white people. White people are essential to this world. It doesn't mean that black lives matter because that's not the reason that we bring up one. No, well, I gotta be very transparent with people because I think I don't support the movement black lives matter.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:06

I support the sentiment, not the movement. Just gotta, you know, full disclosure.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:10

Exactly. And that's what we're doing. We're we're look we're transparent here, guys. Uh, but I think that with him, he's just not somebody that yeah, he don't act like a nigga, he don't act like he went to Texas Southern. He's such a yes, and that's the even crazier part because he is an HBCU guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:30

New York, bro. New York.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:31

I know, I know, I know. And but the thing is, too, think about before this year, he's held on to that sack record for almost two decades, damn near. And did that crybaby shit, and he's got the gap, so he's got this signature of what people know. They're like, Oh, yeah, he's the the big dude. He played football, but he had a gap.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:48

Bro, Michael Strahan was never your favorite DN.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:52

No, but he was respected for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:54

No, no, no, no, no. He was respected. You you fuck with Stray Han. You know, a nigga like Fat Joe might wear a stray hand jersey, but but you know what?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:04

When you look back at that, real quick, just my question to you, and I I bet we have the same. I wish I could write it down and then we show it to each other. Who do you think was in that era? Who did you respect the most at that position as a pass rusher? Um, I like exactly who I thought.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:22

I like Freeney.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:24

I like well, I'm but Freeney, I feel like's a little uh yes, he's in the stray hand, but straight hand was on the back end when he won. Okay, you know who it is. He played division. Give me years probably.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:41

Oh, pep, pep, what the fuck are we talking about?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:43

Pep. Sorry, that wasn't who I was thinking, but yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:46

Pep was my are you talking about Simeon Rice?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:50

Yep, hell yeah. I used to think Simeon Rice was a fucking and I know that he played with a bunch of guys that made his job easier, but you start talking about everybody likes to talk about Michael Vick. You start talking about those games when the Falcons would play the Buccaneers back then. Nigga. No, I've never seen my I don't know if Michael Vick ever beat the Buccaneers, low key.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:15

Hey, hey, remember Pep used to you would would meet Vic before he got to the line and get the sack.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:23

Yes, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:24

Pep has tackled Vic from behind. I'm not saying Vic was running full speed, but you gotta understand.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:29

He was already there.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:31

This nigga played basketball at North Carolina and is a Hall of Fame DN.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:35

North Carolina don't give football players basketball opportunities because it's cute.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:43

And I remember somebody talking about Julius Pepper's uh from from like the AAU days. It may have been like T Mac or somebody, like something you know I'm saying, old nigga. And like he would he would give a nigga hell in this AAU tournament. And he was like, yeah, all his teammates was like, oh yeah, bro, he's a football player.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:03

And isn't it crazy when you see the football nigga really get loose on a basketball court?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:09

You know, I really hate that football versus basketball conversation because it's such a they isolate the conversation on the guys who specialized, not the guys who who specialized the late because it's like, okay, I gotta focus on one of these to make it in one of them. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:31

I mean, Drake London, not that we I didn't ever watch him play USC basketball, but like think about. I mean, he played in he was a dug, I mean he played basketball. Obviously, he's pretty good at basketball, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:42

Bro, and dog, I was I was in high school, bro. Like the football team and the basketball team was pretty much the same niggas. It's like a it was a couple of basketball, like specific basketball guys, a couple of like football, and you obviously had your football wrestlers or just your football players who didn't play basketball, or most of the basketball players basketball ran track.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:05

If they weren't a football player, too, right? They met again uh on the track.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:10

Oh, yeah, that's where the niggas gonna meet between football, basketball, and track. That's three sports. You're gonna get you gonna meet two or three. If you play two of them, you gonna meet all the niggas.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:20

And that's what I was. I was basketball track. I mean, I played football one year, but like I well, I can run and play ball.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:29

Hey, I did the most alternative shit my senior year.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:32

You did, but you did all you because you played baseball too.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:36

I played baseball till until eighth grade. Then I played soccer four years of high school. Well, see, but that's your like carrot, and and but see, I and and I guess I'm I'm weird and biased when they start trying to like pigeonhole niggas into one sport. I was not true because I was somebody who was above a but above average, not like above average when it comes to like prospects, but like above the average human being. I would say above in my region. I'm just saying, bro, I played football, baseball, basketball, soccer, tennis, and ran track from sixth grade to 12th grade, and I was not bad in any of them. You know what I mean? Yeah, so it's like, yo, there are athletes who grow up playing multiple sports who can play multiple sports. Like my nigga Adrian, who played basketball overseas damn near 10 years. I don't care what he says, he was a better football player than basketball player.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:38

Really? Hell yeah. We we always wondered if Latana could be a tight end, his knees were just so bad, he was never gonna work.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:46

But like hey, bro, this nigga Adrian was lining up at the X at 6'3 in the eighth grade.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:53

So, was he more of like a TO? Well, if you I obviously he's not a pro, but like if you could compare his style of receiver, right, Marshall. Okay, so big possession guy that gets jump balls and you could go to them multiple times a game. Wow, he meant probably the build a little bit more of like a yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:17

He like if if if he would have gone down a football route and kept up that weight training type deal, he could have played D1 football. He would oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He would he he would have been a 6'5, he would have been a 6'5, 225, 230 type receiver, 4'6. He's not gonna outrun you, but he catches everything, and what corner can deal with him a majority? Is he tough? Huh? Is he tough? Physical. He played DN and linebacker.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:45

I'm saying even on the basketball court, he was pretty fit, he's a physical basketball player.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:49

His freshman year, he set the school record and rebounds in a game, and he played all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:55

Well, yeah, if he was crashing, and I'm sure that he was how many more players were taller than him in basketball? Not to do a whole segment on him.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:03

No, no, no, that's just my nigga. Uh uh, not many. I mean, he was he was 6'5 our freshman year.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:09

All right, yeah, he because he played with the stars too, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:12

Because I know that so I so here so so we go, we're gonna we go, we're gonna hop off real soon. But I got I got I got actually got this shit up in the in in the office. It's um our sophomore year, he made all county here. It's just a news article about all county people, right? He was 28 sophomore year.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:34

Ooh. I mean, that says enough to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:39

Yeah, nigga feels good.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:40

I'm sure he kept it up, obviously. He didn't fall off, yeah. No, no, which we'll get to the fall off here soon.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:45

But hey, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta, yeah, we talk too much. Hey, the NFL Hall of Fame is bullshit for not letting Bill in first ballot. What NFL Hall of Fame is bullshit for not letting Bill in. Put a bow on it.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:59

Yeah, and Bill Po the other Bill Poleon, he's it's just like his take on Lamar. It's just he's he's going out sad because he's such a respected GM for what he did with Buffalo, and then obviously everything with Peyton. He took Peyton Manning over Riley, made the right choice, and then they built a good team, even though those Peyton should have probably won some more Super Bowls, but I'll leave that at that.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:24

He's going out sad as he built Carolina, he got Carolina to that first Super Bowl, too.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:31

Look, he's going out sad, is all I'm saying. I'm with you as a contributor to football. His opinion is he's starting to look like the get off my lawn old man.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:42

The league office loves him, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:46

Look, and that's why he's a voter, right? He's because when you look at that voting list, they show you who votes. So for Atlanta, you know it's D Orlando Leb better because he's the writer here for the AJC. Mary Kate Abbott, just because of when I started looking at like Mary Kate Abbott, yeah. She always does anything Cleveland, she's very plugged in there. You know, they got like uh uh Sal Powell and Tony, like there's like many people that get to vote on this stuff, and like I don't think Rich Eisen has a vote. Somebody that should have a vote, like to me. We're talking about media personnel. Steve doesn't have a vote.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:25

Well, he shouldn't. He shouldn't vote for anything.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:28

Do you think that that's ESPN's point putting him on uh Wednesday night campus so that he can start the channels?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:35

No, he won't get an NFL vote.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:37

Because he's a basketball guy, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:39

Well, not not even that, like the writers who get NFL Hall of Fame votes I mean we're talking about Peter King type niggas, you know what I'm saying? Like some of the most respected that are not that some Some of them can be former, but non-football fame people in the middle of the non-football people that football people respect for the most part. You know, not skip balance. Skip. Oh, yeah. Shador made the Hall of Fame. I mean, the the Pro Bowl. We're talking about things that used to matter.

unknown 1:40:20

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:21

I mean, a nigga told me at work, the same nigga who told me Mike McCarthy was uh mediocre and said fire um uh Tampa Bay's coach, uh Todd Bowl. Shout out to him. He got his first job at Morehouse at the GA.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:36

Um he's DC too.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:39

Was he?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:40

He did DC here.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:43

Um, but uh he told me I was hating on Shador because I I said Shador shouldn't have been in the Hall of Fame. I mean, not the Hall of Fame, the Pro Bowl. And and and and mind you, this is not a knock on Shador. I don't blame Shador for what we're about to say the rest of these takes because it's gonna sound like that. I personally put him in a bad situation. Do you hear me echoing?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:13

Do you hear me echoing? No, but but they but they put up they they put him in a bad situation, but they did what made the most sense for them uh economically. Yes, yes, but in multiple phases, not because I'm not to cut you off, I want you to, but like not not just because uh he's gonna be popular and like people are gonna want he's popular, so like people want to see him, but because everybody's talking about it, like it just makes like it just makes a ton of sense. You gotta weaker bowl, super bowl. And I but Rogers, Roger knows, he knows.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:50

Hey, keep talking because I'm having some technology problems over.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:53

Okay, yeah. Roger knows. I think um Shadur, obviously, anyone and everybody that follows the NFL and knows what the Pro Bowl is supposed to mean knows that he should not be in it. But why the fuck not? In a sense of Snoop Huntley, Tyler Huntley, for those that don't know that that's Tyler Huntley's nickname. Snoop Huntley's out here getting Pro Bowl selections, and he only started like three games that year, two touchdowns, it was like four picks or something. He got in. So, what difference does it make at this point?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:25

Uh you know, yeah, I just don't like it because of all of the talk around Shador, he's a talking point, and he's still a human being, he's still trying to figure out his life as an NFL quarterback. And don't get me wrong, I don't feel bad for him as a human being. He was born rich and he's accumulated his own wealth. So Shador is fine as a person, but as a football player, as a guy who has to be in a locker room, as a guy who comes from rich and greatness and black, and nigga has to like make himself fit into a locker room. And what I think gets missed a lot is football is one of the most diverse personality sports that we have. So, like a center could not like his quarterback because of the person that he acts like. You know what I mean? Like, you got some rednecks and you got some hood niggas, and they gotta come together. So, like, foot football's so different, right? But for him, being talked about this way, I mean, the whole media's talking about him, we're talking about him, and he knows in his heart he didn't have a Pro Bowl season. His own dad talks about they just let anybody into the Hall of Fame. Some of these guys ain't in my Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:48

And his dad is arguably a top five player of all time. Some people say the best not non-quarterback, and we have to say non-quarterback because the media has, you know, in Steve's world, they've made up this thing where if you're a quarterback, you have to be better than everybody else because your position is so much more important. But like Joe Burrow had an MVP season, uh, not this past season, but a year ago, and they didn't make the playoffs. So how much does quarterback? I mean, quarterback play matters, but elite quarterback play does not guarantee wins. Neither nor there. So I just think it sucks for Shador, the player. Um and I think the NFL, I think the NFL is full of shit because they're essentially pimping him out because nobody wants to watch the fucking game. But guess what? We can generate this much money off of people talking about it, and then the few people who do watch and then talk about it after that we've made that we that we've made it worth our time. And that's sad. The Pro Bowl needs to go back to Hawaii.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:48

Yes. And maybe the biggest thing that has to happen with it going up.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:54

Who the fuck wants to go to Orlando? You can you can I said this on the show last night. You can hop on South.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:00

Or the city that the Super Bowl's in, huh? Or the city that the Super Bowl's in because they've done it to where it goes to the city that the Super Bowl's in.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:07

I think the thing about Hawaii that makes it great is for one.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:10

Um we the fans, we want to we also want to keep thinking of the players, like it's a vacation for everybody. Exactly, because Hawaii is like an international flight, and and they they it's a tropical place that does not have a football team, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:28

And but but think about it. You've flown to Hawaii. I've looked at flights to Hawaii, right? You were born in Hawaii. Well, yeah, that too. But and you know what? My parents got married in Hawaii, and not many, not many, not much family came because it cost a lot of money to go to Hawaii. Flying to Hawaii is like flying overseas, both time and price. So NFL players don't regularly go to Hawaii. You put the Pro Bowl there, you give them a reason to go, they're gonna go, they're gonna enjoy it. Oh shit, I ain't been to Hawaii before, bro. You think um uh was the D tackle, the spit nigga from the Eagles?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:08

Jalen Carter.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:09

You think Jalen Carter been to Hawaii? No, you think that nigga been to Orlando more times than he cares to tell us?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:16

Man, he's done he's done workouts, he's done uh the camps.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:20

They but probably went to Disney, like hey, broke niggas go to Disney growing up sometimes, and I'm not saying he's broke, but the point I'm making is bro, the church the church might take a trip to Orlando, and you got six months to come up with$200 to go.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:36

Hey, as a and this is obviously a joke, two of us have been to uh Disney more than he's been to Hawaii.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:42

Like, I mean, so I mean, but that's real, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:47

So actually can be fairly true. Obviously, everybody knows he grew up and was born there, but the point is is that he's probably flown to a place like Orlando more than he has even back home, which makes sense, is what it does, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:02

But and it's like, hey dog, niggas ain't getting out of their house to go to Orlando. The nightlife ain't lit. It's not a beach city. What am I coming to Orlando for? Exactly, it's not Vegas, it's not LA, it's not New York, and it's not an exotic destination that I don't go to on a regular.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:24

That I'd be like, okay, to the table is that it's in January, and you can expect the temperatures at a minimum to be in the 60s.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:33

Bro, it's not even peak tourist season, so the hot mom's ain't even out there like that for real.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:37

For real, yeah. Which by the way, we got 12 minutes. Let's get into some culture, which this was kind of culture, anyways.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:45

But yeah, hey, you this whole podcast has just been it's scrambling eggs, baby.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:51

It it at the end of the day, we're mixing it around. We might even throw a little salt and pepper in there. Well, it's not a mic, we did throw some salt and pepper in there, but we scrambled it up and we got ourselves an egg scramble.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:01

Hey, lead the first topic while I go to the uh the the men's room, John.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:06

Yeah, yeah. Uh, which uh by the way, that is gonna be a new topic that we're gonna have here.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:12

Hey, speaking of John, we should link up with him uh in the next couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:18

We we're setting it up, we're setting it up, but uh nonetheless, um yeah, this is culturally inappropriate, I guess is what Lee would normally say. Um, from a culture standpoint. Gosh, I know that we had a lot. I'm not even gonna touch the ice thing um right this second. Not that it's not something that's worth being touched, but I'm gonna wait for him to get back at least before we get into that. But um, we'll get into some nigga shit. Something that everybody loves, right? Um J. Cole. J. Cole drops a surprise tape last night because today is his birthday, if I'm not mistaken. He's got DJ Clue um DJing it slash hosting, I guess, uh the mixtape that he dropped. He dropped about, I think it's four or five songs. I have not got to listen to it because it asked for a dollar donation, and your boy is hurting in the pocket. So I can't even afford to give him a dollar to listen to music that will eventually be out on YouTube or Twitter. Sue me. Uh, but nonetheless, yeah, he drops that. He's got it, he's prepping up for an album. And I think that obviously now he's the talk of the town because he's the third side of a beef that everybody paid attention to not too long ago. Um, I think that it's gonna be interesting, certainly, for him to drop. I've liked what I have heard so far, the disc to disc uh disc to track to. I enjoyed that track. Uh obviously, like many people would know, especially if you like hip-hop, reminds me of Rewind by Nas. But um, Cole came through with some heat. Uh I was just explaining to the J. Cole crowd here. Uh, he came through with some heat, and uh, I think we're excited about this release. Are you yeah, yeah, I am, and I'm not a big Cole fan at all, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:19

I'm not the biggest Cole fan, but I like Cole doing this because he's he's just rapping. I don't care to hear J. Cole's songs, I like J.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:28

Cole versus in the Ferrari of Lamp Truck, switching wild lanes, top down, screaming, not the wall. But I mean, there's a lot of Cole songs I like, like I'm just saying, like I think he's fallen, which it's called the fall in a weird way. His like last like three projects. It's not that he didn't have good music or good verses. I didn't there was like nothing that stood out to me on any of the music that he's dropped recently. I loved him on uh he did Ruby Red Rosary with ASAP Rocky, where he was a featured artist. Loved his verse on there. He did some shit with guru, not guru. He did it with it's an old goo, it was a uh posthumous guru verse uh gangster. He did it with gangster.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:22

Look here, man. Here's what J. Cole did with this drop. He just said, Hey, I've heard y'all. I get what y'all are saying, but here's the problem with you all y'all live in Steve's world too much. You're you're you're you're talking about all of this stuff that doesn't matter. Oh, you can't be my number, whatever, because you you you bailed out of the beef. How are you with this type of MC? Have you listened to the guy rap? I I no, I'm not saying listen to the songs. Do you listen to him when he is rapping? When he his voice is over a beat. And he's just saying, hey, fuck the bullshit. The media, the talking. You know, he he took some shots at Fat Joe. Sounds like he took some shots at Drake. I haven't listened to anybody talk about it. I just listened to the music multiple times because I wanted to hear, I wanted to hear the stuff that I heard based off of my listens. And I'm like, oh yeah, J. Cole pissed off because this nigga said, Hey, these are my kind of friends, and they about to take this to a place that I'm not trying to go to, so I'm gonna bow out of this. Because this ain't about because what they did wasn't about lyrics, and J. Cole is like, hey, bro, I'm about him anyways.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:47

It wasn't a triple threat match. This was always something really that was brewing between them.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:52

No, no, but but but when Kendrick said, Fuck your big three, nigga, it's just big me nigga.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:57

Um but that's because Drake bought it to a big three, but I'm saying the beat was always between them anyway, it was more anyways. It wasn't a triple threat match, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:07

Yeah, like wait, hey dog, you remember that night we went out with Angelo, and you almost got into that fight, and I didn't know much about it, but I was like, Hey, we'll put this nigga to sleep. Where was this underground when we watched the Colorado Colorado State game outside?

SPEAKER_05 1:53:27

Yes, yes, yeah. So it's like it's like a homeless nigga low-key.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:34

Yeah, right now, mind you, had that nigga said something to me too, just because I'm with you. Cause I wasn't angry, because he didn't say shit to me. I'm trying to calm you down so we can just get the hell up out of here. We're too close to the house, and nigga, we can just leave. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:53:52

Now imagine you would bring me down, anyways. There was nothing I couldn't do anything to him that would hurt him, he could only hurt me, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:54:00

And so y'all's y'all's issue wasn't about anything. Now, I was down the ride because you my man's, but you know, we got up out of there because it's like, hey, bro, this ain't J. Cole is like, oh, I want a rap battle. Oh, y'all niggas ain't rap battling, y'all are doing more.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:20

You guys are rapping.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:22

I'm bro. I'm a rapper. I I I only want to say I'm better than rapping than y'all. So if we gonna diss that way, cool. Y'all gonna do this other shit? I'm out. And then he heard people talking. He's like, Let me remind y'all, bro. I I rap, I'm a rapper. I'm I'm not a podcaster, I'm not a content creator, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:43

Like he put it on wax, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:47

That's why my Instagram bio it says broadcaster, don't say content creator, because I'm not a content creator, yeah. I broadcast, but but same shit, dog, and yeah, I compared myself to J. Cole, uh, because I feel like I'm better than all you niggas. Um, but bro, it was just good rap, and I love that he threw shots at uh Fed Joe. Excuse me, fat Joe. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:09

Uh it's not so it's not F-E-T, Joe, or F-E-D-T, Joe.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:18

Nah, it's Fed F E D. I don't want it to be confused.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:21

Yeah, the T's not silent here, huh?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:23

I don't want to hear a nigga on a big podcast. Hey, I think Joe and Jada are on the volume. I think Collins sign knew.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:31

Uh, they are. Steve could never if Steve did try to do it, it doesn't seem like Steve's late to the party, just a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:41

Well, that's what a lot of people in the media have like said about him without saying it about him. You know, like Nick Ryan.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:49

I'm not gonna say he was the face of ESPN, but like he was the face of daytime ESPN. Yes, uh, but I mean Steve and Skip were what it is, it was it was like a power stroke, it's like they're sharing limelight, and like no, here's what it was.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:09

Colin was the best thing the ESPN had smoking, him and Bill Simmons, yeah. But as far as like your broadcast people, Colin was the best thing they had smoking because he was radio too, obviously.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:23

Yeah, ESPN radio and uh uh sports nation sports nation when that first kicked off, and how that because that show was innovative, people don't realize it as a fresh new idea. That was a good show, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:35

And then he brought he brought that same concept to FS1 and it really worked until the suits got in the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:43

Was it suits or was it ass?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:45

No, no, no, no, that show got so when when they when they split I was throwing shit. I was I know I know because I but when when they when they added Marcel when they uh Marcellus and Whitlock, yeah, their ratings were great, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:00

But but but the ratings were great, and then I think a lot of people obviously just mentally check out on Whitlock, so and that's the problem to what he says, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:12

No, because that the problem, and we're all over the place here, but Whitlock, I'm not saying I agree with him, I'm not saying I agree with how he goes about his business because I think he capitalizes on calling out black people, and don't get me wrong, we call out niggas all the time on this show, but we're niggas who say nigga and do nigga shit. Yeah, so we be with nigga shit. Witluck ain't with nigga shit. He looks down on nigga shit like he did this whole spill about how the white quarterbacks took what the black quarterbacks have done, and now they're the better quarterbacks. And it's like nigga, Patrick Mahomes tore his ACL. Shut up, you know what I'm saying? And there's also these implicit biases where Drake May and Josh Allen get rewarded for for running, and black quarterbacks will get docked for running. So it it, but anyways, they were doing good, like uh Colin makes great shows, but neither here nor there. What the fuck was I talking about?

SPEAKER_05 1:58:05

Well, we're at the two-minute warning.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:07

Uh, we're gonna go over.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:09

Who cares? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:10

Uh, what were we talking about though? We were talking about uh It was Cole initially. Yeah, it's about rap, man. I I I loved it. When we get off the show, I'm gonna uh FaceTime my daughter, and then I'm gonna go sit in my bathroom and turn up my speaker like louder than it should be, and just listen to this shit on repeat again. Probably another I ain't gotta go to work and have it penetrate your ears, absolutely okay. I because because dog, you know this about like music, especially like good lyrical music.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:42

You have it fresh too when it's newer. Yes, you have to listen to it a lot to get to catch, and we did it with clips obviously that night. We both listened to it. I listened to it. Man, I listened to that album like three or four times. And I was a I had a full report. I'm like, all right, for one, we were like rap album of the year, which it should win. It got nominated for album of the year, it should be there. I don't know if it's gonna win, but it should say it should be the favorite, it's the betting favorite.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:12

Well, I'm just saying for history, but like for history purposes, it should be there. Just to when we remember 2025, and you look at the top albums, stand out that needs to be in the best albums and not just in hip hop.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:28

Yeah, it's not a genre, it's not just a genre album, it's a it's a piece of art, it's it's supposed to be included with all art.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:37

If you're gonna talk about the best music of the year and you're gonna pick from the different genres, this was the best offering that hip hop had. I get GNX is is whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:49

Lee, for everybody that's even watching, I mean, I'm wearing the shirt, even right now. Damn, what's the shirt? I I got it, so it's not an official clip. Shirt, but it's yeah, Mike Tyson blow to the face. Obviously, you got like cocaine dust. Now it's this dude.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:06

Uh you got a guy who can get another one.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:08

Yeah, I can send you the link.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:10

Uh yeah, send me the link.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:11

And he's at prints and stuff too, but like, yeah, this was the shirt. I thought the shirt was just. Well, it's not just because of him hitting him and then his mouth, but it's obviously you know the cocaine residue here.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:23

Yeah, it's it goes. We we talked about Steve's world, but we did not talk about the stepification of sports and what kind of brought us to making Steve's world a thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:36

So I shot you a text today. Um either on the shit or taking a piss at my uh place of employment because that's the only time I can text. And I talked about how like the steefication has ruined water cooler talk. Because again, a guy told me Mike McCarthy was a uh mediocre head coach.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:56

And I'm like, It's just fucking nuts.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:58

I'm like, this guy clearly watches first take where they say we should fire, well, we should fire a coach after four games because they're not winning. Like, niggas are saying, hey, uh Aaron Glenn doesn't know what he's doing because he sucked with the Jets in year one. It's like it's the Jets.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:14

I like how he said he said, nigga clearly doesn't go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:19

Wait, but that's how people were talking about him. They was calling for his job in like week seven. It's like, hey, bro, it's the Jets. He's a first-time head coach. Give him time. Remember Dan Campbell? He his his first staff was a bunch of old players, and that shit didn't work. And then he changed his staff and he mixed it up, and it was good. Hey, the Jets played hard and won games that they shouldn't. So he's doing something right. And and not to mention that all their money goes to Justin Fields, uh uh Sauce Gardner, and Aaron Rodgers, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 2:01:52

Yeah, but you mean busting? That's the nickname that they get.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:58

Look, he's busting fields these days. I mean, he yeah, he he's a bust, but he keeps getting paid, so I'm not gonna knock him. But like what what it's turned down into is we don't we lack nuance, and because we don't have smart people giving smart opinions and takes on sports, the audience who who doesn't watch it enough and doesn't have don't have trained people around them to help them see know what they need to see, are now listening to a dummified version of it and they're dumbifying that.

SPEAKER_05 2:02:28

But they already weren't educated on it enough going into it, but now they've got somebody telling them that this is the right way of viewing this that isn't that that doesn't do it for educational purposes, but does it to make money and whatever will pop out to them exactly?

SPEAKER_02 2:02:42

And these people then take that for education, so they sound dumb when they talk sports. Yeah, they they sound dumb when they talk sports, kind of like and then they bet sports, and not to mention, you know, Steve's company has the gambling house, or did they get rid of that?

SPEAKER_05 2:03:05

No, no, no, no, no, no. The the gambling house is still there, they didn't get rid of that. They just that whoever owned ESPN bet because it wasn't ESPN that owned it, they owned a percentage, they sold it to DraftKings, and now it's DraftKings as the official it's just ESP basically ESPN cleaned up, they cleaned up their name.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:23

Yes, yes, they said, Hey, it doesn't look good to own a betting company, but we would just partner with a betting company, and apparently it was losing money, which I don't why would you leave what but why would you leave where you were already gambling to go to ESP and bet? They got in too late, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:44

And they probably were losing that money, was probably more so being lost because of they yeah, they should have like, yeah, even they would have been better, but like they only own 10%, too.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:55

So they were better off trying to get a piece of one of the more established ones and then slowly engulfing them, yes, with their other Disney money. But anyway, the point being is we say this because we give out gambling picks and we talk sports, and we're not the smartest people in sports. We're opinion guys, and we tell you we're opinion guys, and we want y'all to enjoy this as opinion that are based in research and study, it's rooted in substance as exactly. And what we're not gonna do is we're not gonna partner with we're not gonna partner with a gambling house, make you a dumber better, and then tell you to go bet so the gambling house makes money, and then we make more money on the back end. No, no, we want to make our money by providing a good product to the people and and and giving people knowledge and information that they need, and that they can use, that they can legitimately use. We're not ever gonna chase clicks. Yes, we understand what's trending and what's important, and we utilize certain tools to pump up what we're doing, yes, but we're never gonna allow the algorithm to dictate what we talk about. No, we talk about our fantasy football league on here, and guess what? The algorithm would tell us to shut the hell up. Yeah, we talk about Josh Holsey on here, and Josh Holsey himself would tell us to shut the hell up, but we're grown men and he can't kick my ass. Tell him.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:34

We're gonna cut chop this up eventually.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:36

Um, you know, me and Josh have almost, and I don't even know it from Josh's end. I'm only speaking from my end, have almost fought multiple times for having the conversation about nigga, you can't whoop my ass. He's like, he's like, I can't, or or he'll be like, Yeah, no, I don't think any of my friends can whoop my ass.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:54

I'm like nobody would admit that one way or another, because I guess it would kind of depend on what the fight is, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:06:00

But like, but yes, but what it boils down to if you have the conversation for too long, your male ego gets involved in it. Yes, now it's like, Hey, this nigga is sitting in front of me telling me he can whoop my ass.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:15

Nick, you gotta show me, and and it and it never really should come to that, obviously, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:06:22

But like, um except for that night, Dale called me a bitch.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:26

I was gonna whoop one of Dale's friends asked that night. We were all together because he had said something, and I know that he didn't know that my mom had passed away, but like it was like you remember without a pocket, yeah. It was a it was yeah, right. Even if she were alive, it's just like it's almost like having like it wasn't. I forgot I don't even remember what he said, but it's almost like having like a yo mama joke, anyways. It's just like, how old are we, bro?

SPEAKER_02 2:06:53

And that's a funny thing to talk about that's not on the docket, and we're in after hours, anyways. Yeah, is that uh cultural uh uh boundaries are important, and it's also important to understand other cultural boundaries because I think a lot of our racial issues in America exist because people don't understand cultural boundaries and lines, yes. Like when Dale called me a bitch, he thought that was acceptable, yeah. Because he's so used to just being able to let that fly, and I only say that because of how the night I didn't whoop Dale's ass, I did punch him in his mouth.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:42

He's got a guy he sound too.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:44

Like, were you there that night? It was in San Diego.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:46

I don't think I was, but I'm just saying in general, like I just I know how Dale operates.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:51

Bro, he was talking shit before we went out and he had the gaze.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:56

Any and he obviously I've seen that in San I think about he's sucking off whoever that is that night, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:04

And no, and I say the gaze because I know you know what I'm talking about, and if you know Dale, great guy, but like when Dale gets the gaze, he's not Dale.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:13

No, he isn't.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:16

He's not one of my one of my I don't know, 30 favorite people that I've met in life.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:21

Yeah, the the gaze.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:25

So we he got he had the gaze, and he was talking shit before we went out, and then we we're walking back to Josh's crib, and he's like, Adam, you're a beta bitch.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:33

I was like, Hey Dale, a beta bitch.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:37

I was like, Hey Dale, I don't I don't talk to my friends like that, bro. Like, relax. You call me a bitch again, I'm gonna hit you in your shit. He said it again. Well, I had to hit him in the shit. I and I didn't catch him the way I wanted to. I'm not gonna hold you. It wasn't flush.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:56

He was like, I mean, he called you a bitch, but like he called you a beta as well.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:01

He's like, He's like, You're a yeah, he's like nigga, you a bitch among bitches, correct? Yeah, like nigga, you a bottom amongst bottoms, and it's just like okay.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:12

Well, now we're not even joking. Now you're I'm taking this as a you got some shit in me, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:19

Yeah, yeah, that's how you feel about me as a man. And if you feel that way about me as a man, nigga, show me I'm a bitch, right? And so then I hit him, he was like, The fuck, dude, you sucker punch me. I was like, You call me a bitch. It's not a sucker punch after that. And I gave you a warning.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:38

Yeah, you actually got away with it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:41

So, like, and I was like, Josh, Boink, am I tripping? No, nigga. If Josh Holsey and Boink say you're not tripping, and Josh is drunk, you're not tripping.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:52

Well, the point is Josh is Josh is like he's like he's like, all right, I don't give a fuck about any of this. Can we go to Seville or you know, like he's like set, he's like setting up in his mind what he's trying to do now.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:05

No, no, the night the night was over. We were like walking to get tacos and go back to the crib and and probably smoke black and miles that Joel wasn't supposed to smoke because you know he and Zoe were together at the time.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:16

Yeah, well, I'm glad they don't listen to this show.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:20

Well, we announced the pregnancy before they did, or actually, I did, you know, and the more and more I look back at that, because it because she did just drop it not too long ago, I feel honored that she broke the news here. I'm like, wow. I mean, I know we were all together, but I'm like the fact that she did it here. I'm like, I will remember this when that child's born. And essentially talk to Huh.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:44

Me too, baby boy.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:45

Yeah, yeah. And I can just be like, you know, we found out about you here, even though I'm gonna tell her, I'm gonna be like, I actually low-key already knew because your mother kept trying to drink this water, and I asked her about the water and she didn't know anything about it. I was like, Oh, you're a big fan, and then she's like, No, and I'm like, It's homecoming, you're not drinking. And I did, I really did start to put it together, and I just didn't say anything, but I'm like, It's odd. But see, I didn't pick up on she they were with you, or they drink you after, yeah. But we went to Pizza Cafe and she didn't drink either. But I didn't really think anything of it then.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:23

I didn't either because when I when when I when Boink told me and I told her congrats, I was like, Hey, can when can I tell her congratulations? Because you know, hey, I don't know if women know this, but niggas tell they niggas shit before they're supposed to, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:37

So you knew before we knew, huh? You knew before we knew here.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:41

Yeah, I didn't tell, I didn't tell anybody.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:42

Yeah, well, you're good at keeping a secret.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:45

Well, yeah, and when I said and when I said something to her about it, she was like, The sparkling soda wasn't like an indicator when we were at your house.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:54

I didn't drink a beer, it's like not I mean it wasn't for me because she brought that up again that same us at Pizza Cafe, and I'm like, I mean, I don't know, Boink only had a beer, anyways. It's not like he was drinking heavy, so like and you knew they were driving. I'm just like, Yeah, y'all just got here. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck, y'all like you know, and you knew they were driving back to Cartersville after, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:17

And and I'm looking at it where they stayed at my they slept at my house, but they didn't really stay at my house, you know what I mean? They were here for like two days, like you know, three days, two nights, and I saw them at night. I'm like, Zoe, we're ready for you to go to bed anyway. So, like, yeah, no one cares if you drink.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:40

Like, though, we're friends, but not that kind.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:43

Like, you know, I'm I'm your husband's best man, and like I'm in the deep hole of depression. I want to talk to like my best friend, dog. Yeah, I love you, but this party's not for you.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:55

The our MSB are yeah, MSB Entertainment or whatever they're called, they're a piece of shit. I just got an email from them at 1021 p.m.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:05

About what?

SPEAKER_05 2:13:08

About a fucking suite for the FIFA World Cup, and now basically they're like, You previously expressed interest in a premium suite, and I'm like, What was this 2022 when you guys first when it first fucking got announced that it was coming here? Yeah, I probably did say something to you about it because I was curious, even though I know that that stuff is six figures easy, yeah. So it's kind of a joke. I just want to know, you know what I mean? I want to know. Hey, it's like it's like I know you guys aren't having trouble selling this, are you?

SPEAKER_02 2:13:41

They just value the money about this right now because you spent so much money with them that they just want some more of it.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:50

I these scheduled emails leave. I just I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:53

They called me today about my season tickets.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:56

Really?

SPEAKER_02 2:13:56

Yeah, I gotta call them back.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:58

You got a year though, huh? You have a year, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:01

I I think I I think I may be able to shake it.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:05

You have a year, so either way, even if but I'm saying, because what was that October? Yeah, you have until October, one way or another.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:12

Um decision by then. Yeah, I'm gonna make it soon. Hey, before we get out of here, you know, we talked about Nicki Minaj and all of that stuff in pre-production.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:22

Yeah, did you just saw the video, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:14:25

I didn't watch it because I was at work and I just was busy running to get started to get the show started at a decent hour, and we didn't, but that's not well.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:33

We pre-production, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:35

We actually did pre-production and didn't just roll into it, but uh, she received a Trump gold card paving her pathway to U.S. citizenship. So when people ask, um why uh Nikki's doing all of this Trump glazing, there's her answer.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:52

Oh, a bella danger she can also she can also vacate her husband's because think about it. He's a uh he's he's a sex offender.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:04

No, he can't vacate it. It's uh it's uh it's state, it's not federal.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:08

Oh he can get he can figure out a way what state it's I mean it's in New York. I I'm sure it's New York. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:16

I uh Abella Danger is a uh is currently a University of Miami law student and intends to become a sports agent after earning her degree.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:24

Yeah, you know who she dates.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:26

Yeah, somebody you you you can get in touch with.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:30

Correct. And the thing is as well, he's an attorney.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:34

Y'all could probably go on double dates, huh?

SPEAKER_05 2:15:38

I maybe uh in in the near, yeah. Honestly, yes, to honestly to answer you, yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:45

You could play on a Miami weekend and y'all go have a ball.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:48

If everything is together on this end, yeah, I know that we could, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:52

I'm not, I'm just saying if it's I bring it up because I'm like, I'm like, it's not because it's not, but it's just more of like a I'm thinking of her, but yeah, in reality, yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:01

I'm I'm thinking about your your your your contact list, not anything else.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:08

Yes. To answer the question, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:11

If if you had a gr if you had 500 to a grand you could spend in the night, you could do you you would be comfortable doing it.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:19

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:20

But you you but you need the 500 to a grand because I well return it could take. Yeah, I don't know where we're going, and I don't want to be the guy who says I can't pay my part or or pay my part and my plus one's part.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:34

I it for me, I'd just be like, ooh, man, I'm pooped. I you know, I I just want to get sucked off at this point, guys.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:42

I'm you know, and I didn't need to do any of this to get sucked off by the person I'm with.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:49

Hey, could we ever bring her on the show? Not a bella, the person we're just talking about.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:55

Nah, she's never been on, but and I said, could we?

SPEAKER_02 2:16:59

Yeah, I don't know if it I don't know if it has value. I it's just a conversation that we probably shouldn't have as we've gone over.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:05

I think I think it I think it could work, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:08

Hey, look, man, I actually gotta go because um my kid may still be awake. I did talk to her earlier today for people who are like, oh my god, you podcast and then talk to your kid. Yeah, I talked to my kid today, but you know, the good nights.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:21

Well, they don't understand there's a time difference and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:24

Yeah, I know, but we gotta paint ourselves as like these respectable, like great people, you know.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:29

Yes, so maybe we're not just penises with a mic and a computer.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:34

I no, we're not DJ academics or or or that Myron guy, we're not red pillars.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:39

Oh man, that guy. See, he's someone I have just none of his takes, I just don't respect him at all. Well, they're paid, but I'm saying Nick, for instance, I do not like listening to Nick Footis has actually said things and seriously that have made sense. I don't agree with 99 of what he says. The other guy, Myron Gaines or whatever the fuck his name is. I everything about that nigga is just corny to me.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:05

Well, you know, he's one of those Africans painting himself as an American black man, and uh but not even he kind of thinks he's white, but like um but Tate even Tate has said things that absolutely make sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:19

But like Tate 100 wrong, but Myron Gang, he is, he's he's 100. You know, Tate from him.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:27

Tate says things that you're not supposed to say out loud.

SPEAKER_05 2:18:32

He's a much more radical, non-personal version of um what's my nigga that died here? Now he was a dating person more. Oh, Kevin Samuels, Kevin Samuels, and I think that his message is appreciated so much more today to where everybody can appreciate his brutal honesty.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:53

Yes, and and and yes, Tate is in that same sphere, they're in the same, you know what, they're in the same like conference, but I wouldn't put them in the same division, I wouldn't call them rivals.

SPEAKER_05 2:19:09

Yeah, it's not Alabama Auburn, it's more uh uh Mississippi State, Georgia. Yes, we know who you are, we've seen your work, we don't look for it every day, and then from the outside looking in when another team plays you, they don't look at you as equals, even though you're in the same yeah, they don't overlook you because of that, because of what you're a part of.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:37

And you know what really sucks? We have to put out all of these qualifiers when we talk about real our our our feelings and responses to real things. That shit sucks. I shouldn't have to say, Hey, I don't stand with this person. If I say, Hey, they make some good points. If I say they make some good points, that would tell the audience that I don't agree with most of what they say, I just agree with some of it.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:00

You know, that's why that's why we need uh culturally inappropriate with AC Low.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:06

Hey man, words have meaning. You got anything else before we get out of here?

SPEAKER_05 2:20:10

No, I think that's it. We pretty much covered everything. Uh next week, obviously, we'll get into the Super Bowl a little bit more, but um yeah, it's finally here. And well, I guess we'll probably go back. We need to go back and look at our predictions and see where we messed up, where Colin was right, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:26

And hey, you if you did we write those down, or we gotta like go back through transcript.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:32

You I didn't write it for sure. You normally are the one that writes, but if it's not written, I certainly I don't mind going back and listening.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:39

Nah, here's what I'll do is I'll just take the link to that show and run it through chat GPT and ask it to like break out the predictions.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:46

Hey, and we talked about chat AI earlier and how you know what it can't do, but this is what it can do.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:52

Yeah, no, this is the stuff that's okay. Like, I wouldn't hire a person to do this, I would have to do it myself, and that would take entirely too much.

SPEAKER_05 2:20:59

Legal mumbo jumbo and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:01

Hey, but anyways, hey dog, it was good, it was great. We were unfiltered today. Uh it was fun, we were all over the place, but I think that's what the people like about us are true fans, and that's who we do this for, not the fringe fans, because we're not Steve.

SPEAKER_05 2:21:16

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:21:18

Yo, Steve would never sit down with us because we don't have enough followers and enough clout. And also, I don't think they say I'd be bringing you guys something.

SPEAKER_05 2:21:26

What are you doing for me? Steve, you just question me, you try to grill me on things that are absolutely true, but why would I do that with you?

SPEAKER_02 2:21:34

Steve, I would have a conversation with you off mic, off camera, and sign an NDA. It's more of I I just don't respect what you do day to day, and you're not an athlete. You're supposed to be an intellectual and you don't carry yourself that way, but well, how do you know that I'm not an athlete?

SPEAKER_05 2:21:54

Because of what that fat piece of shit said about me. And there's your Steve isms of the day, guys.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:01

I mean, but hey RC, you got lucky today. We let you live.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:09

We can touch. Um, he'll I they're gonna give us some more answers.