Super Bowl Takes, Media Myths, And Mayhem

The confetti’s gone, but the story isn’t. We unpack a Super Bowl that said more about media habits than quarterback destiny, and we make the case that context beats clickbait: yes, a good young passer can look elite in a top-five situation; no, that doesn’t make “QB wins” a real stat. If you care about rings, you care about front offices, coaching, and how rosters are built just as much as arm talent.

Halftime gets its due, too. Bad Bunny delivered a high-energy portrait that doubled as a cultural map of the Americas, and the backlash machine did what it does—turn a concert into a referendum. We talk about how the spectacle uses artists, how artists use the spectacle, and why everything feels like a message even when the music is the point. Then we step into the toughest segment of the show: allegations of domestic violence tied to a rising defender, what the league and team might do next, and a blunt, empathetic conversation about accountability. We separate football business from human harm, lay out the likely discipline path, and sit with the hard truths—spot possessiveness early, keep your hands to yourself, choose distance over escalation.

From there, the NBA takes center stage for all the wrong reasons. Pre–All-Star tanking. Copy-paste offenses. A dunk contest no star will touch. A league that shaves costs instead of sharpening the craft. We offer fixes that rewire incentives—make non-playoff teams play for draft order, stop rewarding early surrender—and argue for a return to variety: midrange, role diversity, and actual sets. We also shine a light on women’s hoops: the WNBA’s talent and tactics are peaking, but the NBA’s optics spill over and dull casual interest. Honor what’s actually good, not just what trends.

If you’re here for honest sports talk without the empty narratives, hit play. And if this resonates, subscribe, share with a friend, and drop a review with the one change you’d make to fix the NBA today.

Transcript

Warm-Up Banter And Bow Wow Story

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Two points with six minutes still left.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

When's the last time you've listened to um R. Kelly?

SPEAKER_04 0:41

Well, technically, I sent you that video earlier today of um the I'm a flirt story with Bow Wow.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

So if you want to be technical today, do you do do you believe Bow Wow, by the way?

SPEAKER_04 0:54

I do. I do because it's funny. Actually, when that song did come out, I knew that Bow Wow was initially on it, like back then. And I thought that it was Bow Wow's song first, but it made it all everything he said checked out from the standpoint of even when you do think about it, it is the remix. But it was all R. Kelly's song as the remix.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Yeah, and the because the original didn't come out.

SPEAKER_04 1:20

Well, it leaked, it definitely leaked. Well, yeah, it leaked.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

I mean, I I I got it off line wire, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:25

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Yeah, like uh because you know, you have to sanity check some of the stuff that Bow Wow says because you know he's on that list.

SPEAKER_04 1:35

Really? You put Bow Wow on the list? Right, he's he's got more credibility than Fat Joe.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

Bow Wow was taking pictures, he was he was photoshopping himself in pictures.

SPEAKER_04 1:49

I know a spelmanite that was doing that. I won't go too deep into it, but do I know her? Yeah, you do. Put it this way. I used to have sex with her.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

That tells me nothing.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

Yeah, it does. Light skinned, very light skinned. Now I'm saying too much on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Just shoot me a text, man. I was just gonna say text it over.

SPEAKER_04 2:12

You do I put it this way, think of a Sir Mixelot song. How the song starts.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Yeah, yeah, just text it to me.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

Think of Sir Mixelot's most famous song in the house.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_04 2:29

So I don't have to text it to you, you just the question's answer. No, I'm serious, it's true. You can ask anyone in the group. Listen, you can ask anybody in the group. You can ask anyone in the group. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

I forgot about that because yeah, I I I remember I remember that being a comment. Yo, she hasn't made the group in years.

SPEAKER_04 2:56

Well, there's nothing to talk about. You know, this was just a fun fact because of what you said about Bow Wow.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Because it made me think of that with her, but hey y'all, this was a pre-production story type story.

SPEAKER_04 3:12

Hey, look, they like it.

Illness, Missed Week, And Super Bowl Setup

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Hey man, how you doing though, man? We missed you last week. Somebody got a little dick.

Drake May Hype Versus Reality

SPEAKER_04 3:19

Yeah, well, yeah, I was gonna say something like that. Uh, but no, yeah, I wasn't feeling well. I thought that I was gonna be able to get through. I think I got food poison. I'm almost certain that that's what it was. Um, because it was like having a hangover, but like I was actually throwing up though, because I don't even throw up when I'm hungover now. I don't throw up from drinking liquor. No, I'm serious. I just I don't get sick, I don't even get that sick, even when I drink way, way too much. But I was throwing up and stuff, so I was like, okay, it's something's just not sitting right here. But uh, we are back at full capacity, and that's what really matters. So um, yeah, missed it last week, which sucks because we didn't get to do a preview for the Super Bowl. But at the end of the day, it wasn't too much to preview. Any bet I probably would have given out outside of Seattle covering would have been a loser because nobody hit their prop bets.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

Drake may did, but like outside of that, it was it was somebody I saw on a page Drake May had the most fourth quarter yards. I'm like, bro, they were playing prevent the whole fourth quarter. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. Yeah, so yeah, those he maybe he got those yards, but those weren't yards that mattered.

SPEAKER_04 4:40

Yeah, he threw for like uh 225 yards in the fourth quarter. Sure, including one uh what three touchdowns? He threw two to uh Patriots and then one to Seattle.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

So I mean, look, he he he looked like the person that I kind of thought he was. Like, hey, this kid is good, but he's not one of them ones yet.

SPEAKER_04 5:15

Yeah, you know, like a second-year quarterback.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Yeah, it's like, yeah, he he he played in a Super Bowl and Lamar hasn't, and Josh hasn't. I I still like Josh and Lamar more than I like Drake May, and I also like them at their peaks more than I like what I think his upside is gonna be.

SPEAKER_06 5:38

Yeah.

Quarterbacks, Context, And Media Narratives

SPEAKER_02 5:39

He may be as good as they are, but we we know that and this isn't even getting into the Super Bowl stuff yet, but like the Patriots won the Super Bowl. I mean, the Patriots are a football team that's carried by all three phases. And if you're an idiot and you play into quarter, you play into what the four-letter wants to talk about or what the or Fox wants to talk about, you know, and you and you start doing this quarterback win stuff, and the quarterb yeah, Drake May take him over this guy. But if you actually are looking at who's good at football and you watch football games and you listen to good analysis, and then you can kind of piecemeal stuff together to kind of get a decent understanding of what's going on while knowing there's a lot that you don't understand, you go, hey, Drake May is probably a top 15 quarterback and is in a top five situation. You know what I mean? It's like I'm starting to look at Super Bowl winning quarterback as yes or no, and have way more scrutiny on the situation. And maybe because you know, I don't I'm so anti-media narratives now because I just think everything is propaganda and and an ad. It is for the most part, and it's like, hey, the media conversation focuses on the players all the time and what they can and can't do in replacing the player in this and that. Why don't we look at the front office that way? Like, you know what I mean? Like, why don't we look at the coaching that way? You know, I bet you it's harder to become an NFL player than it is to become an NFL coach.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

I agree, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

And I bet you it's harder to become an NFL player than it is to become to work in an NFL front office. I'm not gonna say GM because that's hard. You know what I mean? It's only 32 of them. But we're scrutinizing the parts for not fitting, but the parts don't choose the system that they're put into? And again, the owners are the rich ones, so they're gonna protect themselves and their people, but don't you think we should spend way more time talking about how fucked up franchises are instead of talking about players, especially in the NFL because it's a it's a team league and not a player-driven league, but we blame things on players and not organizations. Well, unless they're a bad organization.

SPEAKER_04 8:34

Well, don't you think but don't you think that now, i.e. the jets, don't you think that now because of a Sam Darnold, that that's why that narrative will now begin to change significantly? No, because um he was he was right. Think about it, he was written for dead, and now he's got a super bowl in what was considered a pretty solid now. By today's hand, a really good first round of quarterbacks. I mean, outside of Rogan, everybody else is pretty much they've been pro bowlers.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

You are thinking like a rational human being. You gotta think you gotta think like a billionaire who wants to protect his investment and wants to jump down and has influence over the people who get to talk on the microphone, yeah. So for guys like us, yeah, that's a conversation, it's definitely a conversation, yeah. But for you know, guys like Steve, you know, only guy who might get into something like this is Pablo. Because Pablo clearly is an old school journalist who does what journalists are supposed to do.

SPEAKER_04 9:44

Pablo is a marked man, is what he is.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

I think he's protected.

SPEAKER_04 9:53

Adam Silver, look, he's how he's connected.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

Oh, I wasn't even thinking about Adam. I'm talking about his the the guy he's going after. That's who's connected.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

Him too, but I'm just saying he's more connected than Adam Silver. You think?

SPEAKER_02 10:11

Yeah, he was the CEO of Microsoft.

Power, Journalism, And Protecting The Machine

SPEAKER_04 10:17

I I mean he certainly has more money, but I'm just saying Adam connections, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

But think about how many businesses have been running off of Microsoft for years.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

Everybody for the most part. So hell, I use Microsoft, even though I have Apple products. I mean, we all use Microsoft.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Do you not think there's a way that Microsoft can find out what's being done on Microsoft products?

SPEAKER_04 10:44

He absolutely can, but that opens up a bigger can of worms if but it's found out that they're doing that and they're not disclosing that's not something you signed up for.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

But do you think that Steve could access information for individuals who he know won't go public because of the information that he has?

SPEAKER_07 11:04

Yeah, bring it to the attorneys.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Yeah, so I'm just saying, you know, yeah, Adam has a lot of power and connections, and I and I know what kind of connections you're talking about. You know, it's probably about six points, it's like about six points of connection that he has. You know, and he knows all the stars. Some might, yeah, some might say it's a constellation of connections.

SPEAKER_04 11:33

Yeah. So not to mention, outside of those connections, he's also got 31 other ones. Or I'm sorry, 29 other ones.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

And and Braun.

SPEAKER_04 11:48

I'd say maybe even the jump man. Uh no, I think that was because because with the jump man, here's the thing, too. It's like skull and bones for them. Past NBA stuff, everybody knows about it. So everybody's on the same team when it comes to protecting the league's interests. Jordan needs to protect it too because he wants to protect himself.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Is everything a conspiracy?

SPEAKER_04 12:19

No, I don't I don't know. I'm just saying. I just think that a guy like Pablo, he should, you know, watch his back when he's walking in the New York streets. You just never know who's around.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

I I think that Pablo should be protected at all costs. Because what he's doing is what we need. And you know, back in the day, this is what journalism was. And you know, the four-letter was actually built on journalism. And then, you know, the guy who who pays uh and platforms Pablo, Dan Labotard. Yeah, no, he's the guy that said Stephen A and Skip Bayliss ruined sports, sports talk, and all of that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

Really?

SPEAKER_02 13:04

Yeah, he said it to their faces. Well, to Stephen A's face. And you know, Pablo Huh?

SPEAKER_04 13:15

I said, you mean sleeve?

SPEAKER_02 13:17

Yeah. Sleaze. But you know, a guy like Pablo, he gets uh guys like Steve are gonna yell over Pablo at the four-letter because you know, Steve's not even a a journalist anymore. He's not a reporter. He's an opinionist, he's a talking head.

SPEAKER_05 13:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

And so the talking heads just talk and the ratings come in, and you know, big big businesses, hey, we can shut up journalism, we can cancel newspapers, you know, Washington Post just laid laid off a bunch of people. Yeah, closed up some department. It's like, hey, we're gonna get rid of uh mainstream journalistic media that has money behind it and support to dig up the stuff that uh people don't want the world to know.

SPEAKER_07 14:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

You know, so Pablo keep doing the good work, man, and uh and hopefully Dan Labotard pays a lot of money for security.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

Dan can only do with so much from Miami.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Well, at the end of the day, uh if if uh if uh Silver and um Clippers and Balmer, if they if they join forces, there's nothing that can be done. Yeah, there's nothing be done. He's gonna have to go, he's gonna have to go hide out in Russia or Saudi Arabia or something.

SPEAKER_04 14:38

Yeah, most likely. But look, we didn't even get to really properly kick the thing off. How the hell are you doing? I didn't get to ask you, you know.

Halftime Show: Culture, Symbolism, And Backlash

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Oh man, not too bad. Uh, you know, another good week working where I work, doing the things that I do. Uh great Super Bowl festivities. Uh, like I was telling you before before the show, uh, definitely a different environment than I've ever watched the Super Bowl in. For one, I hardly knew anybody in the room or in the house, and there weren't really any football fans. There were a few, but it it wasn't uh it wasn't fueled around the Super Bowl, it was more so around the halftime show. And I've never been to a Super Bowl party like that before.

SPEAKER_04 15:20

Would you call it a culture shock, to say the least?

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Yeah, I mean, not a culture shock. Because, you know, of the of the mainstream American cultures, I'm fairly comfortable being in those intimate, personal, home type environments, because I've done it multiple times, you know. Like you grow up in Cartersville, you go to white people's house if you're a kid in school, especially if you got if your parents let you spend the night with your friends like mine did. You're gonna hang out in white kids' house. You know, between military and and living on the west coast, you make Hispanic, Latino, you know, Asian friends. So you build up those rapport and you go to those house parties, and you know, I married a a Latino woman, so very comfortable in in you know, the Spanish, uh, Latin American environments because I I was in them so often, you know, doing things with in-laws. So, no, not a culture shock at all, buddy.

SPEAKER_04 16:22

Okay, well, I'm just saying for something like that for a Super Bowl, you know, because the Super Bowl is as American as Apple Pie if you let people at turning point tell it.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

But um, did you watch any of that?

SPEAKER_04 16:36

No, but I saw a clip of it on Twitter. But of course, no, you know, we weren't uh, which actually let's see, shout outs to Benito. Uh again, I don't know, I don't know Bad Bunny's music like that. Bad Bonnie, you know, but I will say this. He honestly visually it was great. I thought it was great from like the standpoint of what he was trying to do and just like the hypheness. I liked it, I thought that it was well done. He executed it.

SPEAKER_02 17:07

I I I I sent to multiple group texts. I don't know what this nigga yapping about, but I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 17:18

Yeah, like the the the I don't listen to Bad Bunny either, and right, and that didn't change the opinion in terms of oh, now I'm gonna start listening to Bad Bunny. It's like, no, he did the Super Bowl, I enjoyed it, you know, and kind of leave it there.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

So so let's since we're here, let's because I think there's multiple avenues we can talk about the Super Bowl performance, right? The performance in itself and how we felt about it. I thought it was a good performance. I ain't know what the fuck he was saying, but it was a vibe. I could dance. I I could see that he was painting the true uh uh Puerto Rican culture, you know, through the and like not just Puerto Rican culture in Puerto Rico, it looked like you know, with the Cardi beating them by the bodega type shit, you know what I'm saying? It was like Puerto Rican culture in America, the sugar cane, yeah. The sugar cane, which is buddy. You know the stories about how we did it. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 18:19

The way that he executed it, what it was that he was trying to get done.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

Because some people could say, even with Uncle Sam, for well, see, well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even get into I wouldn't even get into the symbolic shots yet. I was just saying him painting his culture, right? Like I just thought that was great. Even the parts that I didn't understand, whether it was verbal or me not understanding enough of Puerto Rican culture to get some of the cultural things.

SPEAKER_07 18:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

And then to end it with, you know, the unity piece and talking about America and then listing off the actual Americas and not just the United States of America. I thought that was great because yeah, we all are America, and you know, with the way that we enforce the Monroe Doctrine and like us going to get Maduro pretty much saying, hey, we're gonna do this, y'all can't do nothing about it because y'all can't do anything that we do in this hemisphere.

SPEAKER_05 19:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:12

So if we all are America, that means we all are one. So show the diversity in what the Americas are. I I enjoyed that. Yeah, big big out, big ups to him. Now, if you want to get into the yeah, now if you want to get into the political, all of the fallout, you know, I'm here for that too.

SPEAKER_04 19:35

Oh, like Steve.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

I mean, like Steve, the president.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

I mean, but I thought Steve's is what stood out more than anything.

unknown 19:45

Why?

SPEAKER_04 19:47

Steve's point. He's like, you know, I agree. Because if he's the face of sports media and he agrees and says, you know, why do we have somebody that exclusively speaks Spanish doing you know, American?

SPEAKER_02 20:04

That's why.

SPEAKER_04 20:05

Well, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Well, Hove, uh, which Hove wore some uh wore a sweatshirt that said the game needs me at the Super Bowl, you know, obviously alluding to well no telling what in this country you can't compartmentalize, you must compartmentalize to stay stained.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

That's what I have to do when when hove does, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 20:31

I I think Jigga would would you say that Jigga is what was the first Super Bowl he did? I know that they hired him, it was post cap, so it wasn't the Atlanta Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Wasn't the first no no no no that because that fed into Hove getting a Super Bowl because everybody was upset that that maroon five I think that was doing the Super Bowl, and it's like we're in Atlanta the 50 MM one J Block Dre, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:01

Yeah, I think that's back to me. Still, I'm gonna be honest, in my opinion, and look, Rihanna was good, Usher was good too. I still think the Dr. Dre Super Bowl was the best.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

Good for you, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:15

It was great.

Why The Halftime Show Became A Culture War

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Yeah, I I'm I'm with Usher in recent history. Uh, but you know, since when did the Super Bowl halftime show actually matter? And not in a sense like the the to the point that it becomes this talking point. It's been a talking point for months, especially the last two years. Kendrick going up there making a stance, cool. That's who you are, Bad Bunny, going up there making a stance. What happened to it being good music that we like so we watch it? Or you're stuck in a room and you watch it, or some some shit you don't care about, so you go watch the lingerie bowl instead, or you go piss and get food, and and and it, and if you step outside, you go step out like Why does it have to matter this much? Because growing up, I never table. Huh?

SPEAKER_04 22:06

You're asking why is it culturally significant?

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Why does it have to be culturally significant? I don't think it, I don't think it has to be that.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

Well, because technically it's the most viewed concert every year.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

Yeah, but when shit, when Rihanna went up there, it was about a performance. Well, we didn't even talk, it wasn't even it didn't make the sport shows.

SPEAKER_04 22:31

Oh well, except you're right, except you know, her being pregnant and like unveiling that.

SPEAKER_02 22:36

But that that was revealed in the entertainment universe, and that was not tied to the TMZ. Yeah, but it wasn't tied to the Super Bowl, it had nothing to do with the Super Bowl, it happened to do with Rihanna appearing publicly pregnant. If they would have called her at goddamn LAX pregnant, it does the same, it does the same media post that it that it you know what I mean. So yeah. Jigga. Because you know, he's he's he's invested in a lot of things, and and he's he's a guy who controls media markets, you know. He he's the black representative.

SPEAKER_04 23:26

Jig's a jig.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Your words, not mine.

SPEAKER_03 23:30

What he goes by jigga.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Yeah, he yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

So jigga's just jigs short.

SPEAKER_04 23:38

I don't look, I don't. I don't make I don't what did Messer Man say? He said, I don't make the rules around here when he clearly did.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

But hey, do you think Jay-Z is just feeding into the media machine when he's picking uh people to go up there so they can make more money off of it?

SPEAKER_04 23:53

Jay-Z is almost like a mythical creature these days. He's Mr. Untouchable, his wife's Beyonce, he's a billionaire, he's got all these ventures. When he does speak, it's like you're still talking to the same hoe that would get interviewed in any decade, but he's such a mysterious, he's he's a mythical figure at this point. He doesn't make music anymore. He's a mob does make music, he makes a statement on the verses that he's doing, like whether it's the shit with the Nipsey Hustle shit for the Jews in the Black Messiah or his verse on uh God did. He's like he's very he's very much so this almost mythical feat uh creature.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

Does everything have to make a cultural statement? Can't you just do something and just leave it at that?

SPEAKER_04 24:48

And if somebody takes something from because that's not that's not what we want, Lee. That's why, which and I because I was talking during it, I didn't see them all. I'll probably tonight I'll get on YouTube to watch all the Super Bowl commercials, but obviously the big winners on the Super Bowl commercials were the we're not talking who cares, we're not talking about it. I'm bringing it up for a reason the cultural, but like it's because it kind of gets into it. It's just like 50 cent doing the DoorDash thing.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

That was the best commercial, all right.

SPEAKER_04 25:14

But but my point, it was it was great because it everything about it just it was great.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

No, and also the commercial sucked, nobody gave a fuck about the commercial because everybody would make a a a statement of the commercial, make it funny and sell us something besides.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

What's wrong with Zim?

SPEAKER_02 25:36

I I I don't believe in um G. I don't believe in advertising medicine, and when I see a bunch of celebrities promoting a product, I run. That's scary. Why are you trying to advertise and influence me to to oh to to take this shot every week so that I don't eat? But this was originally uh uh medicine for uh for diabetes, and yeah, this is a side effect, but now we're rerock, no man, and Serena B me before Ozimp or me before whatever GLP ones and now girl, you look better then. Yeah, that ass. So uh the the commercials, you know. I I get on here and and just blame how money's ruined everything. Same with the commercials, they used to be funny. Hi, hi, yeah, yeah. Damn that.

SPEAKER_04 26:55

I know, you know, I'm doing it for it's possible.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

I know, I know you're doing it for engagement and being nice, and I'm like, hey, let's let's give them the engagement that they want. The engagement is between you and I.

SPEAKER_04 27:05

Yeah, 100%, 100%. Um okay, well, aside from Benito commercials, the game itself again blew. I wasn't a big fan of Seattle, Seattle was the best team in the NFL this year, and I think we can all agree. I mean, it's not just because they did win, like uh that team has been talented, they've been they've drafted well. They um where would you want to put this defense?

SPEAKER_01 27:33

I don't I don't do that.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

Okay, you don't. I mean, it was a pretty prominent performance, so yeah, yeah. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

I I I I just let's not take away from what it was by jumping to where where does this rank all time? Who gives a fuck? It was good today. They just had the parade today, right?

SPEAKER_04 28:00

Like why does it why does it matter that the 85 why why are we bringing up the 85 Bears and the the 2000 Ravens and the the Legion of Boom?

Jay-Z, Mythmaking, And The Media Machine

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Hey, you you you want you wanna you won a high school state championship, right? Yes, you're a champion, yes. Do you care where your state championship ranks among the state champions in history? No, because you you won you won the state championship, right?

SPEAKER_04 28:27

Yeah, our team was special that year.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

Bingo. So why do we care about where this defense ranks and how can we accurately even come again? It just becomes a media conversation to have for the sake of a conversation because it gets clicks, likes, and and the views and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 28:45

But we like TV dinners around here, Lee.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

No, we don't.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

We cook no, that's what America's big.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

We like we like TV dinners, and we are the niche, we want to be a niche part of American broadcast culture that still wakes up in the morning and starts the pasta sauce. Yeah, you know, I respect that when my mom cooks big dinners, it doesn't start day off. We're prepping days before. Yes, like no, I want I want that flavor to be deep in there, and if everybody doesn't want this, that's fine. You go get your McDonald's.

SPEAKER_04 29:27

We we want it rooted in substance, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

We're washed and winning, you know. Part of being washed is that we're older, we got some old vibes to us, man. Yeah, if the AI don't post it on TikTok, it ain't going on tick tock because we ain't on TikTok.

SPEAKER_04 29:43

Yeah, and I don't care to engage with people on TikTok either, unless they want to offer me large sums of money because then I don't care, but or if they're hot, well, yes.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

I wasn't gonna let you just get away with saying you wouldn't entertain a hot chick on TikTok.

SPEAKER_04 30:05

I absolutely would.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Um, do you have a TikTok?

SPEAKER_04 30:10

I I have one that literally is not me, nobody would know it's me. I have it just in case I'm sensed content so I can view it. Because if you don't have a TikTok, you can't really view it all the time.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

So, point being you meet a broad out and she gives you her tick tock and you try to fight it off. Great conversation, right? And she just says, Hey, follow me on TikTok, and you tell her your whole hey, I I don't really have TikTok, it's just a burner. She's like, Okay, cool, just follow me. You're gonna follow.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

I say, Okay, well, what's your Instagram?

SPEAKER_02 30:40

And she says, I'm I'm on TikTok because she's 22.

SPEAKER_04 30:44

Okay, I'll be up. Let me just get your phone number.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

She's like, Just TikTok.

SPEAKER_04 30:49

I'll tell you, look, I'll follow you on TikTok, but let me get your phone number.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

But but I'm telling you, she's only gonna give you on TikTok. She's gonna give you TikTok, she's gonna give you her tick tock, and y'all are gonna DM on TikTok. That's gonna be the only reason you get on TikTok. And you're lying if you say you won't do it.

SPEAKER_04 31:07

I think it would depend on the conversation I have with this person in person and all those other things, you know. You're being yes, I I yes, I will bang a hot chick if she has a TikTok and that's all she has. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

I know. I I I just you just just admit it and stop saying what I I I'm thinking clearly now. All right. But you the rain is gone. I can see all the obstacles in my way. Yeah, exactly. This kid grew up in the church.

SPEAKER_04 31:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Shout out to the cross on your head.

SPEAKER_04 31:40

Yeah, exactly. You know, Jesus came. That nigga.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

Um do we I know we like Jay-Z's music.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

Big Ho fans. I still believe that Jay-Z is the best rapper.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Do we? Do we?

SPEAKER_02 32:09

Do we not really fuck with the with Hove today though?

SPEAKER_04 32:15

Again, he's a mythical figure at this point. Nobody knows what nobody even knows much about Jay-Z, but Jay-Z is somebody that lives off of his past work anyways. That's what like because his words are still relevant today. You know, that's that's that's what that's Jay-Z lives off of that.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

You think the CIA was was Jay-Z's plug?

SPEAKER_04 32:45

Well, if you let some people tell it, that is the case.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Oh, that's actually internet. You know, they kind of do what they want over there at Rock Nation.

SPEAKER_04 33:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

You guys want to sign us?

SPEAKER_04 33:04

Yeah, I'm just saying, you know. I think we'll just here and there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

No, we we we fly up to New York when when when y'all summon us.

SPEAKER_04 33:12

Yeah. Well, Hove did.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Are we done talking about the Super Bowl?

SPEAKER_04 33:19

Yeah, because there wasn't much to talk about. Uh oh, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Shout out to Kenneth Walker. I want to give Kenneth Walker a big shout-out because Kenneth Walker, he got Mel Tucker a lot of money.

SPEAKER_04 33:34

Yeah. Well, just for them to try and take it from Mill.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

Well, hopefully, and hopefully, because of what's came out, Mill can can sue them to get his money back.

unknown 33:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

And his lawyer doesn't take too much of his money that his lawyer shouldn't be entitled to because I shouldn't have to pay to get my money back. But that's a conversation for another day that's way deeper than him. But you know, Kenneth Walker, you remember he looked good at it at the beginning of his career, and then he started to like fall off after Zach Charbonnet started to get carries?

SPEAKER_04 34:05

Yeah, they were this year, he pretty much really every red zone carry was taken away from him.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

It was after watching the Super Bowl. Do you kind of think that uh Mr. Ken Walker is a bell cow running back like he was for good old Mill? And and not to say that the team shouldn't have a uh A B running back because they're looking at longevity, but for his just overall product production, it seems like he's better if he's not splitting carries as much.

Kenneth Walker, Contracts, And Player Leverage

SPEAKER_04 34:37

Yeah, I I would I would say that. Um, and and look, with Charbonnet, you know, the injury he had was a torn ACL at the end of the year, so he might miss next year, anyways. But can is obviously entering free agency, and then uh Charbonnet is eligible for an extension. Now, they got a lot of different ways they could play it. Obviously, there I my thought would be that they're gonna pay him and bring him back. But the question is, after winning Super Bowl MVP, if you're Seattle, knowing that you've got to extend JSN because you're gonna extend him too, you're gonna have to still for two more years.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

Oh, no, no, no, no. They go they're gonna have to they're gonna have to re-up with Sam.

SPEAKER_04 35:17

No, I'm saying, but he's it was a three-year deal he signed.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

They gotta re-up this year.

SPEAKER_04 35:22

You've got two more years, you can wait till after next year to do it, though.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

I'm not he's getting like 30 30 33. I'm not taking that.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

So you're saying you sit out.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

No, I'm saying y'all, y'all are gonna make it right, so I don't have to sit out, and none of this goes public, right? Because Sam Darnold is he has a good name, and just being honest, Sam Darnold's white, and no, bro, no, I get it. I do what you're white quarterbacks, ask ask for their money, or a quarterback just pops up with a new deal out of nowhere, and we heard nothing about it. Yeah, they were pouting behind closed doors to get their goddamn money, yeah. And then when other players come out and they hold out, and this and that, there is a racial component to how contracts are handled, and also how people go about wanting their money and the ways that they will go to get their money based on who they are and how they were raised and what money means to them. And while we're here, I'm tired of the media telling players to take less money for the fucking team. You take less money for the team. It ain't my job to make the team win. It's it's my job to do what I can to make the team win, and that's be the best player that I can be. And uh I'm the best player I can be when I'm getting the most money I can to be the best player. That's only for professionals, not high school and college. Like y'all shouldn't follow the money, y'all should follow coaching and development.

SPEAKER_04 36:50

Well, you know they're not gonna do that, Lee.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Well, they can't because their parents are making the decisions for them, and their parents are fucking money hungry and don't know the difference between a kid who's a possible pro or a kid who should take NIL. Me, if I were a prospect, son, I'm following the NIL. No, I follow the NIL.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

Yeah, but you want coaching too.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

I am talking about the high school athlete that I was. Okay, it was in my best interest to follow the money because my earning potential does not increase after college, right? Whereas some guys, your earning potential increases after college. You should take your ass to the best situation that includes development and money, but we're not on that, we're talking about what the Super Bowl moving on from the Super Bowl, but yeah, we brought Big Cannon to the fold.

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Our biggest thing is now our football team because we're the only team that somehow could make headlines during the week of the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Hey, and you know what we had to do?

SPEAKER_00 37:58

What's that? The Lakers are up, but when you're a black man in this country, you can't compartmentalize, you must compartmentalize to stay staying.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

And the and the problem was he couldn't compartmentalize Mr. James Pearce, so he carpartmentalized his car into his old lady's car, and he went insane, or because he went insane, yes.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

All right, so that was bad word playing a joke, but no, no, no, it was deeply it's I thought it was pretty good, but it was deeply uh saddening to see and hear about James Pierce Jr. Um getting caught with what it was five different charges, but two aggravated assaults, one against Rakia Jackson and the other against a Miami Dave police officer. Uh he got charged with aggravated stalking, which somebody broke this down. So when you get charged with aggravated stalking, that means that you were already reported for stalking prior to it. So this wasn't the first time, is what that means. Um, are we shocked?

SPEAKER_02 39:06

Well, did you see just continue? Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 39:11

I uh no, no, no, no. It it did you see the uh he had somebody, I guess somebody like a classman, they're like, Man, this dude was in the top, like in high school.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

Like, yeah, I sent it to you.

SPEAKER_04 39:21

Yeah, so I mean, how do you want to frame this conversation?

SPEAKER_02 39:26

Do we want I think we should talk about it? Yeah, I'm gonna say let's talk about the football business, and for anybody listening, listening to this, especially a woman, uh uh a victim of the of domestic violence, for one trigger warning for this entire conversation. Uh, two, we're doing the football business first because this is a falcons podcast first.

SPEAKER_07 39:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Uh hence a segment Falcons first that I should probably put up on the screen. Uh, but I'm not because I don't even want to put I don't even want to put our Falcons first on this on the smut of this because this guy probably won't be a Falcon after the first. Um But the reason we're talking football first is not because football is more important in the grand scheme of life, but for what this show is, it is more important. And then we're gonna have a much more detailed conversation about the non-football part, and we don't want to lose the football part if we jump into that first because it's also a time show. So explain something to y'all that I probably shouldn't have, but I I want y'all to learn and grow with us. So let's talk about the football business.

SPEAKER_06 40:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

So I look at it from a couple of different angles. I think about the league, I think about the Falcons, and I think about the football player. When I think about the league, they're gonna be in cahoots with the Falcons about punishment based on what comes out, uh, so on and so forth. He's getting a year if he gets to play football again.

SPEAKER_04 40:58

I and I think it'll be one of those years where he really is just on the commissioner's list until they decide, like once it's done. Yeah, but we don't know, we know how that could work.

Falcons Crisis: Charges, Suspension, And Team Options

SPEAKER_02 41:08

Like he it might be two years, yeah. Um I'm echoing out of when I was echo echo not on my end, okay. Uh, but anyways, so you have you have what the NFL has to do because the NFL has to protect the shield, but also the NFL has not handled domestic violence well. Oh, yeah, um, I mean, because Tyreek Hill had a video go viral over the weekend too, and it didn't really go viral. So again, but the NFL have a problem. Well, it's like two or three players in the Super Bowl who got caught up like this year, yeah. With again, allegations. Um so you have that NFL has to do, the Falcons. Uh, this is the the the pick that we're getting beat up for for trading, and we were saying eat it because both players that we drafted with that pick that we traded back was were both impact players.

SPEAKER_09 42:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 42:18

Um, so we were happy. It's like ha ha ha. No, we did it right, and now that pick is looking shaky, but also the people who selected James Pierce aren't in the building anymore. Nope, they're not, so there's no loyalty to him. They don't know it. No, I mean, I mean, you got Britt, who may help, but you got a new president of football operations who have to come in and set a culture, and what kind of culture are we setting? Now, I think there's two ways that Matt can go. Matt can say, Hey, we don't allow this, this is not who we are. Boom, makes an example of it. Yeah, or Matt can say, Hey, I know things are he's a young man, he came in with character issues. Us as a franchise, we took a chance on him. We like the talent, and we want to give this guy another chance because we want to see him, we want to see him grow as a man, and we understand, we believe in what we're doing here, we'll help realize off the field because if we let him go, we don't know what's gonna come with that. And I again I don't know what the Falcons do, but lastly, here's where I'm at with it from a football point of view. I hope he's suspended for a very long time, but in a suspension, I I hope that he can be a part of team activities again. This is if he doesn't go to prison, if he goes to prison, totally different.

SPEAKER_04 43:40

Which is what it sounds like. It sounds like he's probably gonna go to prison.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 43:43

But he hit an officer, huh? He he he hit an officer. I how's he how's he get that knocked down?

SPEAKER_02 43:53

It dep it depends on which direction the organization goes. Okay, if the organization Says we like this guy, we believe in this guy, we want to help reform this guy. There are conversations that Arthur Blank can have with the DA's fund, uh uh uh with the DA's uh funding sources.

SPEAKER_06 44:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:13

Or Arthur Blank can have a conversation with his next opponent.

SPEAKER_06 44:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

Like there, like, bro, we know we know like big big business, right?

SPEAKER_04 44:23

So how we say Arthur can figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

I'm saying if they want him back, it can be figured out with him not going to prison while still getting a still having to feel the wrath of it. Um, you know, but again, I think ultimately if he doesn't go to prison, the organization should wrap their arms around him because a head, uh a guy who's clearly a head case like him does not need to lose football, which is uh allows him to get his rage out, but also has afforded him a certain lifestyle that he's become accustomed to. And then if this guy all of a sudden becomes poor and unequipped to work at 25, you know what I mean? I don't mean unequipped to work in the sense that he doesn't have skills, but the but if he gets a felony and I mean, what do you do? Yeah, James Peters isn't going to work construction.

SPEAKER_04 45:24

No, but you know, that's why you look at a guy like him, too, and you say to yourself, huh? What what do we this these lead to bigger issues to where it's like, man, maybe he could be like I'm not I'm not saying that he isn't, I hope he's not, but you know, that's like what is he like suicidal? Like seems like one of those type of players that has this mental issue.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

Or he might start beating other women.

SPEAKER_04 45:51

No, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 45:54

Um, you know, and I don't know, man. I don't know. And did you see that she's willing to testify? Yes, I don't think it's going to trial, do you?

SPEAKER_04 46:12

Nah, yeah, I think that anything that there's gonna be pleas done, and and even if he's gotta give her money or something, all parties will be satisfied. The question is just gonna be when it does come to the charges that have to stand, can he get them knocked down? And I think again, like you said, that's it's gonna ultimately come down to Arthur Blank. Does Arthur Blank want to help him? Yeah, and and the more details that we get on the whole situation, it'll it'll it'll open itself up to where we really know you know what direction this thing is gonna actually head in.

SPEAKER_02 46:47

You know, these these situations are just so difficult, you know, because we're talking about the football and kind of the like the man who's involved in it. Yes, and mind you, we hadn't called him stupid and dumb in a crash out and all of that stuff, like a lot of other outlets would, because his decisions were stupid and dumb. But when you understand, if you understand when you've had something to lose and you've been in situations and you've made the right decision, yeah, you start to understand that somebody who has more to lose than you is not operating with the same type of brain. No. And again, not that he's dumb, because us simplifying what he did was dumb, but yes. Yeah, what he did was dumb, very dumb, but to simplify that behavior to just the actions in that moment is it's misleading. It it and it's it's just bad. I'm sorry I don't have the right words, but it's just bad because if we want to make this a teachable moment, which we're about to transition into here now, we have to change the conversation around domestic violence. We have to have honest conversations around domestic violence, and that means men being honest about the things that they've done, women being honest about the things that they've done, people being honest about what they grew up, saw, witnessed, you know, what you accept from your friends, what you accept from your partner. Have you ever lost your your cool in a moment? Have you almost? Did you did you do it? Did y'all make up? Did y'all talk about it? Have you been a victim? If people shared their experiences more often, you'd be shocked. I don't know a dude who ain't been hit by a woman. Has a woman ever put her hands on you? Yeah, absolutely. I don't know a guy who hasn't been had hands put on them by a woman. And I'm not saying that to say that women are aggressors in the men. I'm I'm not pointing a finger at anybody. I'm actually having a conversation, and my agenda is education, right? Let's let's put information out here and see where it goes. But I also don't know many women who haven't had their hands put on them either. Most every girl I know has had their hands put on them by dude.

SPEAKER_05 49:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

And now every dude I know has not put their hands on a woman, and every girl I know has not put their hands on a man. But I know some. I know some guys who have.

SPEAKER_05 49:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

I know some guys that do. I'm not saying my close circle and it's allowed. And look at me dressing shit up because we're on camera. But like, bro, I know the niggas, I know niggas that hit women, I know women that hit they they hit niggas. And it is what it is. I don't accept that behavior. I don't like it, but it but it but it happens.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

Yeah, you said that it was casually brought up by a co-worker once to you guys, to where she's like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

Well, yeah, no, the story was uh I'll tell it. Uh a a uh one of my co-workers was telling a story about her boyfriend's daughter calling her to be like, my my boyfriend and put his hands on me, uh uh. And the boyfriend, the dad was ready to go pull up on her on his daughter's boyfriend because he put his hands on her, and the girl, like his girlfriend, my co-worker, was like, I'm somebody's daughter, and like she left it at that, and I'm like, Thanks for telling me your boyfriend beats you, right? Or not beats you, puts his hands on you, and it's like, wow, that's two cases of domestic violence from one person in one family, basically, yes, and then you have the other people in the you know, in the group starting to give in and talk. And I remember telling, hey dog, I told a story, I told the story about what happened uh at your house, uh the boink weekend, right? And but specifically the night at your house, and somebody who I was talking to was like, bro, that's part of a relationship. And I'm like, it doesn't have to be, it shouldn't be, you shouldn't have to communicate in that way, and sorry for the viewers, I'm not telling y'all the full story, but let's just say I got into a heated argument with uh with with with with my spouse, verbal, everything was verbal, and again, there are things that shouldn't be said verbally by people, and then I got somebody saying, bro, that's just normal. No, that's not normal, because we get normalized, right? Because accepting the the the bad verbal behavior is what can lead to the physical behavior because everybody isn't wired to be able to be talked to crazy and just accept it.

SPEAKER_04 52:16

Bad bunny, you know.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

Everybody all the wrong buttons.

SPEAKER_00 52:23

I wanted to press this are up, but when you're a black man in this country, you can't compartmentalize, you must compartmentalize to stay stain. And look, these are these are big time facts spoken by C Webb.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

Everybody can't compartmentalize, but you have to know that, and if we actually talk about it and not just say, oh, James Peterson's monster. Now he is a monster, he is a defensive end that had 10 and a half sacks um uh in his rookie year, and I feel bad for the first cop who had to go in and grab that nigga because hey dog. In a lot of these situations where these cops are dealing with these unarmed black men and they start with their guns drawn, I don't agree with it. Yeah, I think it's a terrible standard practice, yeah. You know, when you just walk up to somebody, hey, get out the car, you got your gun up. I I don't think that's a great practice, yeah. But if I'm going to pick up James Pierce, I don't trust my taser and my nightstick.

SPEAKER_03 53:34

It's a big dude.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

No, that's a big nigga.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

Yeah, look, nigga, dude. He's big.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

No, think about that though. You get the call or you at the station, because it happened like right there. You the first nigga to run out there and he's in full rage.

SPEAKER_04 53:57

Yeah, well, James Pierce is uh and but then they're telling you, yeah, apparently it's a former NFL dude, or no, it's a current NFL dude, and what he's 6'5, like 250, 260, maybe. It's a big dude, bro.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

He got 10 and a half sacks as a rook, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:18

Like, bruh, I think uh I think I told you when I when I ran into no other with no other with no other double-digit sack person on his team that's like he's the one that they know is coming.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

Yes, yeah. You you remember how I told you when I ran into Colin at Vic's event, and I like dapped him up, and then like you know, when he dapped hug, I'm like, and I felt his back, it was like, dang, bro, that's them NBA muscles, yeah. And then I remember that same weekend dapping up dap hugging Vic. And I'm like, dang, them former NFL UFL muscles, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you go I think about James Pierce with them rookie NFL muscles, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:03

Like hey, in in a in a fit of rage at the moment, with the trend through the fucking roof.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

Hey, officer Timpson ain't gonna ain't gonna do it. No, and if they call officer Lee, I'm gonna be like, Hey, where SWAT get ice get ice cubin in the here now.

SPEAKER_04 55:24

No, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

Was ice cubing swat or was that elocuja?

SPEAKER_04 55:29

Uh same.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

Same good rapper, bad actor.

SPEAKER_04 55:36

Yeah, well, l is a little bit worse than cube, cube because cube has a classic movie, so yeah, but they have a classic movie. I mean, what would you deliver us for me? Was not a classic. Uh no, D Blue C is not a fucking class. Is it class? It's not classic. Friday's a classic.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

Deep Blue C is a hood classic. Everybody's seen D Blue C.

SPEAKER_04 56:01

Yeah, because Samuel Jackson got fucking eaten. So no, no, no. Ice Cube was in Anaconda, too.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

Yeah, ice cube was in Anaconda. Yeah, that's a classic.

SPEAKER_04 56:16

Well, that's a classic. Anaconda is such a bad CGI, like low-key movie.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

Is J Lo in Anaconda too?

SPEAKER_04 56:23

Yeah. Uh uh Voight too.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

John Voigt, who's uh well, I was just talking about we hold on, bro. If we're talking about J Lo and Anaconda, there has to be a sexual innuendo before we move on to fucking John Voigt.

SPEAKER_04 56:38

Okay, yeah, sure. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. J Lo. She could be on my Anaconda.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

You know, I'll put my Anaconda in her.

SPEAKER_04 56:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:50

I wonder if like I wonder if she can constrict.

SPEAKER_04 56:56

Well.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

This show does not speak to women. Well, I I think I think that uh we gotta we gotta get back to women too on James Spears because we hadn't even like talked about well at first that's what I thought you were talking about.

SPEAKER_04 57:21

But in in terms of the getting the women viewers, look, there's enough sex appeal here. I they don't watch this show for the content, you know. They don't watch a lot of the things that they do is it for content.

SPEAKER_02 57:35

Because he's cute.

SPEAKER_04 57:36

Women, yeah, women love Drake because a lot of them think he's cute.

SPEAKER_02 57:41

And we but we don't throw drinks at each other, so that that really that really hurts us.

SPEAKER_04 57:46

Yeah, like my niece loves Drake, right? She likes Drake. Yeah, she likes his music, but like it's because she's attracted to him.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

Yeah, which is I was gonna make a misogynist joke. Not about your niece, but about why you know, we're just gonna talk about a lot of um let me shut up. So I I I hate this for um Rakia. No, I hate this for University of Tennessee. It's a bad stain on us, but more importantly, no, I I hate it for her because dog, she also is famous and is she was in Miami for Unrivaled.

SPEAKER_04 58:28

She's in Miami turning up another notch.

SPEAKER_02 58:31

Well, that's probably why he tried to run the lamb trucking tool.

SPEAKER_04 58:35

You think somebody was trying to get behind Big Kia?

SPEAKER_02 58:39

I mean, let's think about it. She plays in LA in a regular in her regular season, you know, 22 games.

SPEAKER_04 58:46

But they dated, I didn't realize they dated for three years.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

Yeah, yeah, it goes back to Tennessee. No, I know, I know, but like still, and she's in Miami for unrivaled season. Think about her options when she was at UT.

SPEAKER_06 59:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

Think about her options in LA, her road games, Miami. I mean, she's probably rich now. Between what she makes in both leagues, some endorsements, some John's.

SPEAKER_04 59:21

She might do a little modeling.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

Yeah, there's probably some loopholes to where she doesn't travel. She ain't got to pay to do all her traveling and stuff. You know, she has a nice chunk of change.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

Yeah, she set she set up to win.

SPEAKER_02 59:35

What do you think her DMs and texts look like? Ah, she didn't. I'll tell you what, week one, I was looking for because I've I've come across a few girlfriends in my in my section before, and family members, you know, uh, not like you find girlfriends over there. I won't even say wives, and I can understand why girlfriends are over there, yeah. But then we also we decided to look at her story just to see if she posted something. Because I was with a University of Tennessee basketball fan that day, and there was there was nothing there. It's like, oh, this is odd. You know, his first NFL game. She posts on social media regularly, she's not posting anything, she's not here, and then she posted something somewhere else, and WNBA season was over. So that's a tea leaf to me. Yeah, and you know, the relationship probably ran dry, and he and he's crazy, and they probably be fighting big time issues there. Are you gonna ask the question? What did she do?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:54

Ask Rikia, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:57

Oh, she's from Detroit, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:59

Rikia?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:01

Yeah, and she grew up with brothers. Yeah, right. Yeah, she fights, man. And I'm not saying like Rakia. She's cute though. And she's six too. That's good breeding style. See, that's where he fucked up, man. Buddy, you could have made a bigger version of yourself.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:22

But do you think that he was cheating on her or something? What do you think led to why did this all begin in the first place? I guess is what I'm asking.

Policing Realities And Athlete Scale

SPEAKER_02 1:01:30

The relationship ran its course, and it's like you're in Atlanta, I'm out here. One person was probably fighting for the relationship more than the other person. I got uh somebody sent something to me of a video of him like like two weeks ago kissing her and just putting the camera in her face, and like she was covering her face, she was not trying to be in a video. So the relationship probably ran its course. He probably got caught a thousand times cheating, they fight. She got tired of him cheating, she probably went and got her get back. Then ever since she got her get back, and it wasn't even like cheating get back, they was on break, and she was with somebody, and people were able to know about it, and it was able to get back to him, and she wasn't hiding it, you know. Yeah, but not broadcasting it, and then they try to work things out, and then he can't get over what she did, and they just keep fighting, and it's just a terrible cycle, and he just happens to be a person who dropped in the draft because of character, not because of football, clearly by the way that he played. Um, and that's what got us where we are today. I I think it's the usual nigga relationship cycle, and I shouldn't say the usual relationship cycle, but I say nigga because in our community that's typically uh I see that as a pattern, and mainly because he just happens to be a crash out, but she's probably not she's not far off.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:07

Well, again, these are people that have had to deal with a ton of um a lot of ass kissing, I'm sure, on to them, amongst other people, so they feel like they can just get away with almost anything because they have been getting away with anything, and then the real world actually picks up on you, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

Yeah, and and both of them they they've recently found like more fame and more money, yeah. So their lives have changed, and if we're being honest, who the hell would stay with their college sweetheart if their lives changed that dramatically after? Because you bro, who wants to be a rookie second-year player in the NFL with a girlfriend for real? For real? I'm talking about a nigga. I ain't talking about like the people who go off and get married to their college sweethearts and their lives don't really change. I'm talking about going from broke lower middle class to rich as hell, not middle class, upper middle class to rich as hell in a city with some baddies. Yeah, that nigga in Atlanta and she in LA. We know what they both doing, yeah. And they argue all the time and they fight, and he he lost his shit because he ain't want it to be over with. That's what I assume to have happened.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:20

Well, he wanted both.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:22

Don't we all?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

Yeah, you want to have your cake and eat it too.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:27

Well, yeah, uh, but you know, prayers for them. And hey guys, we didn't. I'm just gonna be honest, we focused on this from a male perspective because we're men. I'm kind of happy we didn't do the you know how sometimes we come in here and we say all the fake right words on the topic because maybe it was this how it's gonna be received. Yeah, yeah, I'm happy we didn't do that today.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:00

No, no reason to. Um, because at the end of the day, we would be falsely representing the group that we are not a part of. Doesn't mean that we don't have empathy or believe that that can be the right way, but the reality is that based on what little we do know about it and the status of each person, we can determine that this is more than likely how something like this went. Obviously, if more comes out, then retract our statements, we can say we're wrong, but just based on the realities of how this stuff normally works, that's probably about right.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:33

So, hey man, if that nigga show you he's crazy when y'all first start talking, leave him alone. Yeah, so they show you she's crazy when you first start talking, leave her alone. If somebody starts to get a bit possessive early on, I don't like my my partner to have no friends of the opposite sex, or I don't want my friend talking to nobody when you start seeing stuff like that somebody wanting to be up under you all the time, go everywhere you go, know what you're doing, and stuff. Those are some of the early. Warning signs, y'all.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:01

Yeah. Yeah. And um the other way that I would look at this too is from a man side of it, brother. I get it, but it's just too many out here. And let alone your money that you fucked up. Let's just let's throw the money out of it. But like it's just too many out here. Yeah. There's batter that want you. Now, for what reasons, I don't know. But they well, I know. But like, brother, you can you can upgrade over that situation and have somebody that is submissive that doesn't want you to leave. If that's what you're looking for.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:46

You know. Maybe you won't be able to have NBA kids with her, but you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:52

Hey, women. This ain't about them. Because I'm not making an accusation here, even though it could be assumed that. Just in general. Don't for not women, people. Hey, keep your hands to yourself and don't provoke anybody if you don't want the consequences of what could come from that.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

Like, hey, if I punch you in your mouth, Parlay Pete, we'll fight.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:20

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:21

You punch me on the mouth, we'll fight. Well, that's the assumption. Right. And I'm not saying that we wouldn't, but I'm just saying the assumption is if I punch you, you punch me, the other person's gonna return the punch.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:35

That's the natural order of things. You know, Newton's law of motion and all that.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:39

You don't just get hit and take hit.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

So when you're thinking about that, don't don't throw a punch and not expect a punch to come back. Don't disrespect somebody, talk to them crazy, and then be surprised if they put their hands on you. This isn't saying that that that's okay, bro. It's just don't don't don't do it. Don't do it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:08

Yeah. Let's transition to the NBA. Give me one second.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:13

Dang, I was gonna go take a leak.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:18

Here, give me one second. One second.

NBA Pivot: Fights, All-Star, And Fan Apathy

SPEAKER_02 1:08:23

Yeah, so we're gonna transition to the NBA. And I I thought that was great of him because I was gonna say, Yeah, we're going in circles now. Uh, let's get to the NBA because there's a lot to talk about with the league. I mean, the trade deadline passed a week ago. We've had some shit, we've had some fights in the NBA, a little brawling action. We've got All-Star Weekend in LA coming up this weekend. Pablo Torre, he drops some more good nuggets for us. So there is a lot going on in the NBA, and sadly, I think All-Star Weekend is it's probably gonna be the shortest part of the conversation that we're gonna have. Because who cares about All-Star Weekend? Who cares about the All-Star Game? Hell, what channel is the All-Star Game on? Who has the All-Star Game this year? You know, I think the NBA has forgotten what makes the league good. I think the NBA forgot what the fans like. Hell, I think the NBA forgot what good basketball is. Because we've we're only looking at the money made off of basketball, we're not looking at making the sport as good as it can be, and then making as much money as we can off of a superior product. No, we're looking at a product and then saying how can we cut cost in order to maximize profit. And in your typical business model, if profit is your goal, that is a smart thing to do. Cut cost. But if you're talking about creating a superior product, no, we're not cutting cost. And and look at the NBA. We're getting rid of small point guards, we're getting rid of guys like Cam Thomas, guys who can just come in and score points. We're getting rid of consistent mid-range, we're getting rid of different types of coaching, you know, we're getting rid of offensive plays, we're getting rid of a lot of specialist players, we're looking for a lot of generalist or shooters, you know what I mean? We're looking for shooters mainly. But like we're not having players who have diverse games. Uh you may I'm saying we're getting rid of body types, we're adding more international because that brings more international eyes and that grows the money. But it doesn't really grow the product. Probably not, because guess what? There's not that many odds and money going to those other products over there. But it is what it is. So, yeah, that's kind of what happens when you spend all your time cutting your cost. You get an NBA with three pointers and dunks, uh, high pick and roll, five out, teams not really players not playing together.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:52

Uh 10 second shot clocks. Yeah, you know, that's but the way that the pace that they're playing with, yeah, you guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:02

And it's like everybody is copying everybody else's model when it's like, hey, you don't have the same parts, so you trying to implement the same model with different parts actually doesn't help you. Maybe you should add more add more of that fat that used to exist, you know, like your power four that comes in and gets rebounds and plays defense, doesn't block shots, just plays defense and gets rebounds, or the point guard who may not be able to shoot, but he can keep everybody engaged and involved, plays good defense. Maybe we should add, you know, mid-range, maybe we should run plays again, all of these different things that made basketball great. I I think we should bring that back unless we're gonna continue to be a league that is only about making money. So then we'll continue to do what our streaming partners like, and the checks still keep coming in, and the fans will complain, and then All-Star Weekend will continue to be irrelevant because the good players, it's not enough money for them to play and or get embarrassed or hurt or participate in the in the dunk contest. So nobody cares about it, and it becomes all about the parties that are after the events. Hold on, big dog. Oh no, you go ahead. I'm just about to go to the bottom.

The NBA’s Product Problem And Tanking

SPEAKER_04 1:13:22

Okay, yeah, no. The NBA is just one of these situations. They're in a situation right now, to me, where the future of the league truly is it's it's not gonna truly be in peril, but it should be in fucking peril. That is how bad this stuff is starting to get. For me, the NBA has turned into this league that I can't really watch anymore. I can't watch basketball anymore, and it's just so fucking unserious. All you have to do is look at teams like the Jazz and the Kings. They play tonight, ironically. And these guys are this tanking before All-Star, but look, it's one thing to do at the final 10 games of the year like that last month. I understand. Like it's a tale as old as time with that. But this tanking ahead of time, this shit, then this shit is bad. It's bad for basketball, it's bad for betting. Nobody wins in this scenario, and it's all this just to try and get a player. And that's why I kind of do hope that a guy like Adam Silver, if he really wants to fix this, continue to rig it, rig it then. Because if everybody's gonna get fucked, then let's just fuck each other. It's not just fuck one person, let's fuck everybody. Um, so because the Jazz keep trying to fucking lose games, let's not award them the number one pick because they have the worst record, let's give them the fifth pick. You know what I mean? Because it's just like, no, you started benching people with fucking, you know, no goddamn time. Like you're benching people and you still got 30 games left in the season. That's crazy. Like, um, so yeah, to me, the NBA, it's a diluted product that just no longer it doesn't move the needle for me. I can't speak for uh others, but for me, it doesn't move the needle. Um I'm honestly kind of sick and tired of the NBA and the way that they're moving this thing around. It just it's not it's not good. So my expectation is that hopefully Adam Silver um they have a meeting and that they get their shit together and they figure it out because it's just something wrong with the NBA. It's something wrong with the NBA, and we can't continue to have this being the uh you know what's going on with it. It's just it's it's a terrible product, and it's one of those things where I don't know if the league can fix it. I don't know if Adam Silver is gonna truly be able to fix what's going on. But again, the way that he can fix it is it's really simple. Everybody's gotta fuck each other in these situations. That's that's how that's gotta end up going, you know. And when I say when I say everybody's gotta fuck each other, Lee, this is what I mean. I mean it in a sense of if the Utah Jazz and the Sacramento King are all dying to get the number one pick and they keep losing, you need to set it up to where how Utah did have the worst record in the league last year and they got the fifth pick. We need to if they want to fuck the fans and fuck the betters and anyone that gets the integrity of the game, then Adam Silver needs to fuck the Jazz. Like he needs to fuck these teams and say, Well, guess what? That's the only way that I can fix it. Because I can't tell you to not play your starters in the fourth quarter because you did play them in the game. So it's not like I can really say, Well, he's got you know, I can't fix it from that standpoint because they're completely within the realm. If the coach decides that those are the guys he wants to roll with in the fourth, so be it, right? Even though we know it's rolling, there's nothing that you can really do about it. So if you're Adam Silver, you say that's okay, we're just gonna rig the lottery, and you guys will not.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:59

Oh, they do that anyways, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:00

That's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying. That's what I mean by everybody just needs to fuck each other then. That's what that's what we have to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:06

You know how silver could really get these guys to stop tanking, give the pick to the fucking Lakers or something. No, host the NIL tournament, and the way you finish out in the non-playoff makers tournament is the draft order.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:36

So if you don't make the playoffs, your your uh your seeding, you're you're you're your top seed.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:49

And you go from there. And so now you're either playing for the playoffs or you're playing to to get a top pick. But either way, you gotta win. Winning is incentivized, and yes, you may have uh eight, you may get some eight, nine like tanking, jockeying for, but that that's the last few games of the year, it's not pre-all-star break.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:17

Yeah, and and that's what I was just explaining, basically, just in a sense of that's where my issue's coming in. Why are teams doing this before the fucking all-star break? I can say I can understand that last month. Eight, nine, ten games, eleven games. All right, cool, whatever. We're used to it. This is this is unprecedented, what's going on? Season's barely halfway over.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:37

And the sad the sad part is it's leaking in the football. But it's the pencil pushers, man. It's the spreadsheet guys, yeah. It's all about the spreadsheets, man. Because, well, if if if based on this and the projections, we'll get we can get this pick. And it's like, hey man, if I'm an athlete, I want to go win every game. Yeah, if I'm a coach, I want to win most games.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:13

Because as a coach, you gotta be real and be like, hey, hey Dog, we can't beat these niggas. Yeah, but we get but we can get better and we can do things and we can prove some things. But to go out and try to lose, to continue, like to pull your players in the fourth quarter, for Will Hardy to have a job, it just lets you know that he is a tool. Yeah, he's an absolute tool. This this guy has not tried to win since he got his job. And I don't know about you, but if I'm a basketball coach, I'm having conversations with the front office, like, hey dog, what the fuck are we doing? Yeah, I'm tired of losing. I'm tired of going in this locker room lying to these motherfuckers. They know I'm lying to them because we ain't trying to win. We went and got Laurie Marketer from where? Uh Cleveland? An all-star. And he just over here rotting. I don't even know why we drafted, uh I don't even know why we drafted Ace Bailey. We ain't got no because the bro, the Jazz to start the season were a 10 seed. Yeah. The Jazz has constructed or a playoff team.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:44

And now it's, you know, and I get it. If you're building a team, I'd rather have AJ the bancer because you know, the jazz owner, uh the jazz's owner is paying for him.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:00

To BYU, I mean to the high school in Utah, to to BYU, and AJ, the Boston guy, Danny.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:12

Hey, dog, if the Jazz get AJ the bouncer, we know that the lottery's fixed. Oh, for sure. We know that the league gets fixed. I mean, it's bad enough that the Luka trade happened, the Lakers didn't sell, then AD leaves.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:24

Somehow goes to the Mavericks. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:26

Like, hey, y'all are pissing on our faces now.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:31

The the year nobody wants the first overall pick. They're like, let's just give it to Atlanta because why not? They haven't had it in a minute. See, when we were growing up, about the city of Atlanta.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:41

You know, see, when we were growing up, it used to be, you know, all the owners were just when they would piss on us, they would just piss on us, right? But it's all it's all it's all the owners at once. So it it looks like rain.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:53

Yeah.

Fixing Incentives And Lottery Politics

SPEAKER_02 1:21:54

And you know, because the acid rain that they told us about in school, once the rain comes out of those nasty clouds, it's a different color rain with a different smell. That's what they tell us, right? Yeah, that's piss. We just didn't know it was pissed because it was all spread out. Now, yeah, Adam Silver, he just pulls his thing out, and it's just all in the fans' face, it's just one stream. Yeah, that's I've I've never seen rain just come from one from one spot of the sky. You know, I mean, it's multiple drops. No, no, no. He ain't dry, it's just it's just like a nigga just poured, just poured piss out the sky. Circumcised and all. Yeah, well, yeah, he's definitely circumcised, yeah. I have to say that because that's a joke that went over a lot of people's head.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:41

Yeah, they're not gonna they're gonna think I'm being good. Not for them to get it, honestly. If you if you don't get it, you just don't get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:49

I but no, the the NBA has the M bro, the NBA is a shitty league. Yeah, they don't give a fuck about their fans. At least in the NFL, we complain about the Falcons not caring about us, yeah. But we don't say that about the players.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:10

All I gotta say is that they don't really care about us.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:15

They don't because we keep paying for it, we keep watching the game, we keep buying League Pass, and we have streaming subscriptions to all of these, what all of these sites already. So it looks, oh well, the numbers are here, and people are watching. Well, yeah, nigga, I was gonna watch Peacock anyways. Law and order. So I I hate it. I've I've seen every episode of SVU.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:41

I I I just I don't even like watching basketball, and it's and the worst part is the kids, little kids don't know no better. No, and I know we sound like the old heads, but I think with the old heads, they got mad at us for doing flashy stuff because they're like that's not necessary, yeah. And it's like, ah, well, if I practice it a lot, it's not really flashy, it just looks flashy. Yeah, like I can throw, I can throw passes accurately behind my back uh with both hands. Because I practiced the hell out of it when I was younger. And to this day, if I angle up, like when I angle up on beer pong and shoot behind my back, cash. I'm online. I'm not saying like my power and everything is right, but I'm typically online. And if I'm not online, I can feel in my release why I missed it, which means you know what you're doing, you're not just it's just not random, right? So that's kind of with our pushback, like no look passes, behind the back passes, and stuff like that. And yes, these are high risk things. I get it, but we're not talking about the risk in which you're taking, we're talking about just this doesn't even look like the game that we played.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:55

No, it doesn't. And it just it's just it's just so hard to sit up and watch, man. I the NBA, and I've been saying this now for a couple of years, it wasn't just because of what's happening now. The NBA has been getting, it's been it's becoming a much tougher watch. And like I said, there's so much talent in the NBA today, but the star power to a degree is going away. That the old guard is move, we're moving on from that old guard that we're used to. And like I said, there are stars. Wimby had 37 points in the first half yesterday. Now, granted, he probably should have with no Luca, no LeBron, no uh Austin Reeves, no Marcus Smart playing, but but the league is the league is building up the wrong stars, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:37

Hey, only basketball people like Wimby. Yeah, we don't know, like if you're not a basketball person, you don't know him, and you can't relate to a 7-5 black French guy that can shoot threes, dribble, and dunk. Yeah, niggas like ant-man and ja. And I understand the league's hesitance to promote them more, especially Ja. But hey man, you know how much positive talk I heard around the with the with the Pistons in Charlotte fight this week? Because it felt like the NBA. Because it wasn't just to hold me back, oh, we just gonna do a little shouting pushing. No, it was punches thrown, it was nigga getting mushed, Miles Bridges coming from the bench and saying, no, well, what's up? Like, you know, and Miles Bridges sees them coming and it's squared up and swinging, you know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, oh, no, these niggas are fighting. That's a real fight. So the human stuff in basketball is what people like. Yes, they they like the the the out of this world talent. What Luca does is great. We love to watch that. What Joker does is great. We love to watch that, but you know what else we like? We like when Ant-Man jumps over two niggas and dunks that bitch.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:04

And it's we like when go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:12

Yeah, he called him a fuck nigga.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:17

The bitch had niggas off me. You know, but to that point, the suits are taking that away because they're getting so PC and spreadsheet, and they're building this international model of basketball. And guess what? Nick niggas in the niggas in America go overseas because they can't play in the NBA. They don't go overseas because they'd rather go overseas. You go overseas because you can't play in the NBA. And we have players from all of these different countries who kill in their league and don't even get a look from the NBA.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:58

But now we're gonna Adopt a lower model to make it our prototype. That's like Lamborghini saying, Hey, you know what? We're gonna build around the focus. We're gonna make a Lamborghini Ford Focus.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:18

Yeah.

Dunk Contest Fatigue And Star Power Drain

SPEAKER_02 1:28:18

Because see, this Ford Focus, you can drive it anywhere. It's a great car. Good gas mileage, efficient. It's like, yeah, dog. I want to watch Lamborghinis and Maseratis and and G Wagons and you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:38

Raris. I don't want to watch a bunch of Hondas. If I want to watch some Hondas, I'll go to I'll go to a high school game, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:49

Rares in Rovers.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:52

Did you get into your WNBA piece of how the NBA is killing the WNBA and like and just stepping on all of their fucking uh buzz?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:01

No, I didn't, but that's a good point to where we could pick this up, and hopefully the women are still tuned in that we spoke about earlier.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:08

But uh WNBA.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:11

Well, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

The women who who actually like this show probably do watch the WNBA, but the women we're talking about, they don't watch the WNBA.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:21

No, the WNBA gets stepped on from all this, though, with all this negative publicity that's coming from the NBA. Who suffers? The WNBA, in my opinion, they're a part of it too. Because if we're not intrigued by your premium product, what makes you think that we want your uh your basic product, you know, your the the non-premium product? This isn't even your best product. What makes you think that we would want that? How am I gonna go to McDonald's and say, you know, I want the double cheeseburger, but then I know that the premium cheese, the the Big Mac and the fucking quarter pounder aren't any good? Why would I do that? So it's cheaper. Well, it's cheaper, but at the same time, I'm just saying, if I've had their premium ones, why would I want their cheaper one? If their premium one to me is not good, what makes me think the cheaper one's gonna be good?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:12

Like, I mean, look, I get it. You don't get but you don't get Bud Light Platinum and Bud Light Lime, or hell even Bud Light, if Budweiser wasn't doing numbers. Yes, I mean shit. Bud Light before Anheuser got woke was selling more units than Bud Weiser. Yeah, world's most popular beer, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:34

And it was the second product over the banquet beer.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:39

Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's course, yeah. I know, but but yeah, but but but the point being is hey, if if your A1 stuff, if if the reason why I'm here isn't good, I'm definitely not, I don't care about dessert, yeah. And it's unfortunate because hey, the WNBA, like women's basketball is at a premium right now, and they actually play good basketball.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:05

I was gonna say they've got they they've got their most talent that they've ever had, and they actually have they have stars that the uh a a uh casual can recognize. Somebody's just walking by and they're like, Hey, that's Caitlin Clark, they don't watch basketball, but they like, oh, I know her, she's in the state foreign commercial, or oh, that's Angel Reese, she's always on the shade room.

unknown 1:31:29

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:31

What what's wrong with what I just said?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:34

She wasn't on the shade room today, she was on major websites today.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:38

Which ones?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:40

Um on site. No, she uh word she announced her return to Unrivaled. You know, ratings are down, and they're and they're negotiating, so they they need to get those ratings back up so they can have more negotiating power.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:55

Say, hey, look, this is us without big corporate really backing us. This is just us playing pick up basketball for everybody to watch, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:03

Let us get Caitlin Clark out here. You know, she won't go, she'll lose every yeah, she'll lose every endorsement deal.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:11

Jordan would never, you know, Jordan. Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan didn't license himself to be on video games back in the day. Like, and I guess I think Chuck too. I think Barkley also did it. But Chuck's Jordan definitely wasn't in certain games.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:29

Chuck's was different. Chuck was y'all making all this money off of our likeness, but y'all ain't giving us no y'all ain't giving us no real money. So donate whatever to the NBA's like player fund or whatever. And Chuck said he'll he he you can have his likeness. But if they ain't if they ain't gonna do that, he ain't giving up his likeness. Um but Kobe Bryant, 40 points, 50 points. But but nah, back to the WNBA thing, man. It's just unfortunate that the the WMB, like they play good basketball, though. You know, you like they run plays, they use, they shoot threes, they do post-ups, mid-range. And don't get me wrong, like it is not as aesthetically pleasing as good NBA basketball.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:18

Who knew?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:19

But I'm just talking about the fundamentals and the different nuances of basketball. Like, every team doesn't play the same, they play based on their personnel. So I I like that. And and but unrivaled is not gonna be what they think it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:36

I I don't watch it now.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:42

I haven't watched it this year, I did watch it a lot last year. Yeah, I I've been binging a lot of shows like during like now that we don't watch football every day, damn near. I've been binging a hell out of shows. So uh but do they not do they not know that the NBA would just suck their sponsors dry?

SPEAKER_04 1:34:06

Um, but would you expect them to be thinking that way? You know, they these are people that think that they should be getting paid their revenue share when the company isn't making any money.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:25

But they're pretty much would I expect them to recognize that that the NBA could just you know maybe they have access to more information than we do, and they know that they could be profitable and the uh owners are intentionally not making profits.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:43

Maybe so. I mean, you think silver is sitting up and he's saying, look, this is where we're gonna show our losses for the yeah.

Scheduling, All-Star Weekend, And Vacations

SPEAKER_02 1:34:51

I mean, for all we know, they might they might tuck their losses into the uh they might tuck their their their losses into the WNBA, and they may not even be actual WNBA losses. Yeah, I doubt it. I mean, I think they do it to some degree, but like, no, the WNBA doesn't make money. I believe that.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:13

Yeah, no, I mean, well, because I'm not trying to be funny. Do you think the Brooklyn Nets make money? I doubt it. I mean, I'm sure that and the only thing saving them is that maybe there's a bunch of people in New York that have season tickets just because they can't get Knicks tickets, and like yeah, I was gonna get into I was gonna get into that. What what's a bad team? You think the Memphis Grizzlies are making money right now? Yes, okay, but okay, well, post once once they get Ja's ass out. I don't think the Kings are making money.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:47

No, and and they're still gonna get rid of Ja because he doesn't fit with the coach. Oh, because it's you know international style of basketball. Now, hey, I got one of the the 20 best niggas walking the face of the country on my team right now. Hey, no, I'm the coach, I know more.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:08

Well, look, I mean, that's why the all-star game is you uh USA versus world, right? I mean, that's what we want to see these days.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:15

We want to see more international basketball, but it's not really USA versus world because the USA team is is is watered down.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:23

Well, it's split into two.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:25

Exactly. If you really want to do USA versus world, put the put the best 24 on the court. Oh, yeah, if you do the best 24, the world team ain't gonna have enough subs. Denny Obvi is uh is an all-star, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:41

Denny Obvy has been really good this year, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:43

I don't care. He made it over James Harden.

unknown 1:36:49

Stop.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:50

Yeah, I look I agree that stuff like that shouldn't be happening.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:53

He made it over Kawhi. Stop. Jamal Murray finally made an all-star.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:02

Superstar Jamal Murray.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:05

You know why, you know why Jamal Murray is one of my least favorite players?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:08

So he's on Team World, obviously. Canada.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:11

Cat's on Team World.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:14

Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:15

He plays with DR. He's played with him since like college. I don't, I don't, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:26

They didn't approve him, did they?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:28

I don't know. Uh cat playing for team world is stupid. You know, cat's one of my least favorite NBA personalities.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:39

After all that, we should get a cat drop too.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:45

I mean, there's so many.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:47

For sure. You know, like something like that when Henry when he said for sure. That would because we can use that a lot, like in relation to something if you agree with something or you know, it's just like, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:01

You know, I'm not gonna use it positively, yeah. It's probably just gonna replace this one.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:06

New comfort kidney, right? That would work.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:11

Um it's an alternate one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:14

Where are we at on time?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:16

Uh, we got about 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:19

Um, what else you want to talk about? I think I'll put some more stuff on there.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:24

Uh, well, we got a little bit of culture. Um, obviously, I think you kind of touched it just a tad bit. We can that way we can put a ribbon on the NBA. All-star Saturday night dunk contest, just do away with it. I'm getting really tired of this. This no superstar wants to do it. And it's not even about necessarily the stars, right? Like, yeah, I want to see Ant Edwards, Ja, LeBron. Like, I you know, we know who we want to see in it, but it's like, bro, we're not even getting like players that we know, yeah. Like, like, I mean, and look, Matt McClung is honestly a solid dunker, but he's a G-League player. I know now he's on the I think he might have signed like a 10 day with the Bulls, but like oh, he's gone.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:09

They got enough guards.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:11

One day, one day I'm gonna ask Colin. I'm gonna ask him, I'm like, Colin, have you ever thought about doing it? Like, I know you did it in the the he did the high school one, he won the uh McDonald's one, but it's like I almost just want to ask him, just be like, bro, would you ever consider doing it? Can you please save the fucking dunk contest for me?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:29

I'm gonna say I'd rather go on vacation.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:32

Well, right, and see, and maybe for a guy like him, it's understandable because it's like, well, if I'm not in the skills competition, if I'm not in the rising stars game, if I'm not an all-star, I've already done enough of these, I don't really give a fuck, especially if the destination like this year's in LA, but like let's say when it goes back to New Orleans, a nigga might not want to fucking go to New Orleans, like, and the worst part is because they extended the all-star break, you can get a full vacation, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:02

You know, back when it's like you play until Thursday, and then you're back playing like Tuesday, Monday, Tuesday. Yeah, that's not really enough time for a vacation. Like, you're not gonna go far now.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:15

Now, yeah, tonight's I know there's some games tomorrow, but tonight's basically everybody's playing, and then there's like three or two games tomorrow, and then they're off until next Wednesday.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:26

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so like that's a week, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:31

End season.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:32

Yeah, you can go to you can go to like Mexico, Caribbean, DR. Shit. If you depending on if you East Coast, you can go to uh you can go to uh England, yeah. I mean, I don't know if you'd want to go to there at this time of the year, but I'm just saying the options there. But um yeah, uh yeah, All Star Weekend sucks. Yeah, and yeah, I don't know how to fix it. But we want, but dog, you think about it though, we don't even see good dunks in games anymore. Like, how often do you see a windmill, a 360, somebody doing a 180 reverse punk on a fast?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:15

You don't see every blue moon, huh?

SPEAKER_02 1:41:19

Every blue moon, and there was a time where you would just see windmills, yeah.

WNBA Collateral And Women’s Hoops Momentum

SPEAKER_04 1:41:28

Guys are guys are uh yeah Paul George did a 360 windmill in a game.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:35

You remember Paul George did a 360 windmill in a game? Yeah, I when's the last time we seen a 360 in a game.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:45

I know I'd say that's Jackson Hayes, who's in the dunk contest, he did do a between the legs in one of these games recently, but he's also a tall nigga that his between the legs don't look good, yeah. Cause he's so long, anyways, and it's like, well, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:01

What makes between the legs look good is when you got verticality, yes, and it's like it's moving into the fucking rim doing it, and it's and it's more tight, it's a tight between the legs, and then you're up there, and you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:15

Him, it's like, man, you barely jumped off the ground. You just kind of used your arms, your width, yeah, your reach, like yeah, man. Uh such sorry, it's it's it's a bad product. This adds to my NBA bad product. You the marquee weekend football is over now, and now it's like, all right, y'all, it's basketball time, and you can't even put on for for for the NBA in in that week.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:41

I'll be honest with you. If I were involved with somebody, I would much rather go on a Valentine's Day date Saturday night.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:47

Yeah. Damn, I keep, yeah, I guess it is this, yeah. I know Valentine's Day is this week, but I keep forgetting that yes, it's all-star weekend that that would be on Saturday.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:57

Yeah, Valentine's Day weekend and all-star weekend is together every year. I I can't wait till the NFL pushes the Super Bowl back a week, so then an all-star game can get pushed back a week. So then all-star weekend is never on Valentine's Day.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:11

I mean, but really they've got to work on that. The Super Bowl and All-Star Weekend, for one, should not be back-to-back weekends.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:19

Or if it is, I know that they had the Grammys that week before the Super Bowl, but I was gonna say, really, if you had the All-Star Weekend, if you're gonna do a back-to-back, why not set up for All-Star Weekend to be the week before the NFL? You know what is funny, though, you could literally set it up to where because then every NBA player could go to the super, like you could just give them that whole week off.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:44

No, no, no, but you gotta think about the media, you got to think about the fans who travel to both, the celebrities that travel to both.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:53

But what if you what if you coincided and made? I know that they wouldn't do it this way, but you made the all-star and the super bowl in the same city.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:01

I as a city, as much as you love that revenue, you don't want all of that shit in your city for two, three weeks.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:10

But it really be would be only one week. No, you can't do that, you know, it'd be 10 days, Friday to the next Sunday.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:18

That's too much. Yeah, that's too much. I I I I feel where you're coming from, yeah. But then, like, you can't always tie the cities together because hey, there's gonna be a Super Bowl in Buffalo. Uh, we yeah, we can't, we're not we you think that they're gonna get it when they built that new stadium, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:40

That's an outdoor stadium.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:42

It but that comes with building a new stadium. When you build a new stadium, you get a super bowl.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:45

Nashville's gonna get it for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:47

Well, they it's Nashville, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:50

I I know Minnesota got it, but theirs is a dome, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:54

So it's like you know, but you you you just don't want to clog all of that stuff up, but also thinking about people's pockets, those trips could come off the same paycheck, yes. So uh yeah, spread it out a little bit more, yeah. Uh Cardi B and Stephon Diggs broke up apparently.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:17

Yeah, uh, I saw you know the internet sluice, they get on there and talk about they unfiled each other, and then somebody pointed out Diggs is one of the baby mothers was front row or something at the game and had on his jersey.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:30

Well, why wouldn't she?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:34

Well, because that's Cardi's man.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:39

Dog, if you were with another woman and y'all had a kid and you're playing in a Super Bowl, your current daughter and her mother would have a great ticket to that game, and your daughter would have access to the on-field, all of that stuff, and she'll be escorted by her mother because obviously you can't be there to take care of those responsibilities, right? And more times than not, she's gonna be wearing your fucking jersey, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:09

Well, and then that way everybody knows, you know. Well, for one, that's why they're there. If I wasn't there, they wouldn't be there anyway. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:17

And if you won the if you would won the game, are you really gonna rob your kid of a picture of you, your kid, and your kid's mother after winning a Super Bowl? Fuck no, yeah, fuck what Cardi thinks. Now, don't get me wrong, digs may be fresh with his baby mama and may be active with this baby mama. So it's not that she's there, it's not that he had his baby mama there, it's that he had a piece of work there that he's still messing with. Yeah, but see, you know, I I I I brought this, I put this up here.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:53

Is that the uh Cardi album? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:57

Am I the drama?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:58

Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:00

It you it usually sits in my bathroom now.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:04

Is this a scissor shirt you're wearing too? Sweatshirt? Who's that on that sweatshirt?

SPEAKER_02 1:47:08

Janae.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:09

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:11

Yeah, yeah, no, we now Cardi. Yeah, she she sits in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:18

Is that where the drama goes down?

SPEAKER_02 1:47:20

No, it's just because Cardi's some shit, so I put shit in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:24

Yeah, you you set your toilet paper on top of it, so it's right on top of the toilet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:33

Uh, did you you been following the Glorilla shit? I don't we don't have to talk about it. I was just curious if you no, what happened? Oh, nothing.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:43

She's arguing with him or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:45

She's arguing with a sibling about money, and the sibling saying Glorilla don't do nothing for him, and she done been on TMZ and all of this stuff. I I think it's uh I think they're trying to uh I think she's about to drop something. Yeah, oh sexy red dropped that new song. If you wanted to, I don't I haven't listened to it.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:04

Oh, was it the Michael Jackson shit? Yeah, when did it come out? Because I saw I I saw something on Twitter about it like this morning.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:13

Uh it came out sometime today. I got a notification from Apple Music.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:17

Wow, hold on. I almost want to say you want to give it a little preview.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:27

Oh, never mind. This is no sign.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:29

Oh, she dropped it. I was about to say, uh I'm curious as to how she would get a Michael Jackson clut clearance on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:39

I'm gonna assume that something happened with his estate and his stuff got sold, and uh she works for somebody who owns it. Oh that's my assumption.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:50

I can't imagine that somebody who owns a lot of different things.

Culture Bits: Relationships, Music, And Online Drama

SPEAKER_02 1:48:56

No, I'm not pointing any fingers. I'm not pointing any fingers. Uh I haven't done enough research to point fingers. I just assume that his estate doesn't own the rights to his music anymore. That's the only reason they would slut it out like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:12

That'd be a nasty way to do it. You know, it's kind of like how when copyrights uh when that stuff expires. Like, do you remember uh they had just came out with a um Winnie the Pooh like horror movie? Vaguely, yeah, that recently came out because the copyright for Winnie the Pooh had expired after like a hundred years, and so then it became public basically public domain, which uh pretty soon Mickey Mouse, for instance, will be available for that. And like I doubt it.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:46

Well, I don't know, so I don't know if it's just this way that you can just re like renew it and make sure ain't no ain't nobody getting Mickey Mouse, and we know that.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:57

Yeah, Walt, huh? You think Walt Walt put it in wrong? Writing that you can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:02

If he didn't, he did.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:05

You ain't getting Mickey Mouse.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:07

Yeah. Well, they were able to get Winnie. That's all I'm saying. I know Winnie's not, you know, the biggest character in the world, but still.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:18

Hey man, where what direction is this show gonna go in now that football season's over? And we've pretty much told the world that we hate the NBA despite watching it. I can't imagine we're gonna talk for two hours about the NBA.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:31

No, we're not. Um, you know, I think that we'll start having uh special guests come through and really have more general conversation, right? Um hopefully we'll get a little bit of W. We can return to the W and Wayne. Um obviously one of my favorite segments. We'll have the draft and free agency though in about a month. So there are you know, that'll give us a little bit of steam there. But you know, stay tuned. We're gonna be there's gonna be a lot more general conversation certainly going on, and even if we can't make it two hours, even if it's an hour and a half, whatever it is, we'll we'll get it figured out one way or another.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:08

Come on, man. We were doing three hour shows.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:10

Yeah, sometimes four. We did a four-hour show before.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:14

Yeah, I'm not worried about the talking piece of it. I'm just just for the listeners, I'm just curious in what direction we're actually gonna go because hey guys, we plan the show usually day off. I mean, we we talk about things throughout the week, but yeah, I mean shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:29

We didn't even really go over topics today, so well, but we kind of knew we we we didn't do a show last week, and then there's the Super Bowl just happened, you know what I mean? Uh there's so much you can always go at from there and NBA next week's show.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:45

Uh yeah, we're gonna recap the the the NFL season.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:48

That means I'm gonna have to like oh, you gotta find yeah, our predictions so we can see where yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:53

Like I gotta do homework. So, actually, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna uh run that episode through Chat GPT and let it extract everything for us.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:00

There you go. That's that's what we call us working harder, not uh working smarter, not harder, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:07

Yeah, and speaking of which, when we get off of here, I've gotta start working uh smart and hard because uh village vets are throwing a party in two weeks, and um I've got some work to do, buddy.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:18

Yeah, yeah, make sure it's a uh it's a beacon of light for for for the veil.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:25

That's the goal, but yeah, yeah, we've gotta yeah, I've got to get it.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:29

You're not gonna be selling out of your trunk, are you?

SPEAKER_02 1:52:32

No, no, we're even J.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:34

Cole was at Morehouse like two days ago doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:37

Good for him. Did you listen to that album?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:40

Uh honestly, front to back, no, but I've heard songs.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:46

I like the song with Future Timps.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:49

Okay. Is that the one that Future did the sample?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:54

Yes. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:58

It's the one.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:00

11 o'clock on the drop on the street.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:10

Yeah, no, I really would love to be um out at night with a nice looking young lady. Uh, and that song comes on and we're just grooving a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:23

Yeah, you turn it up a little bit, like you you're driving, but then you you turn it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:26

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want to be like dancing.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:31

Oh, out, out, not out driving in minute.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:34

Yeah, no, out dancing. I'm not gonna lie to you. Uh I'm the type of guy I would love to invite a girl over for dinner and dancing, you know. Yeah, just dance in the living room like Eddie Murphy did on Boomerang. Yeah, I think that's his player.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:50

A little little dinner and dancing. I was kind of doing that yesterday myself. Uh, well, it wasn't we weren't really dancing, but there was music being played. There's no doubt about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:01

I bet y'all were making some good music.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:04

Well, no, no, no, no. We were listening to good music, okay. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:11

Well, you know what, man. I I ain't got I ain't got anything else for you. Pause.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:17

Yeah, I think we pretty much did get through everything. Uh, just to guess to recap it here. The NBA sucks. Um, Adam Silver's got a matter of fact, that Taylor, that'll be uh AC Lee and Parley Pete got something to say. Um, Adam Silver, get your shit together, man. I'm gonna be honest with you. I would hate to see the NBA, you know, eventually suffer a fate that it shouldn't, and the interest and the integrity of the league get compromised to where people no longer care. So that's I guess that'll be my final words here for for Commissioner Silver.

What’s Next For The Show And Final Word

SPEAKER_02 1:54:53

Hey, my final words are gonna kind of piggyback off of this. There's a lot of money out here, and there's a lot of money to be made. But when you're talking about art and sports or art and science, don't let the money be the driving factor for the art. Let the art drive the money.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:23

It's beautifully put.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:25

That's all I got, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:28

Uh, same time next week.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:30

Yeah, I think that works. I think I'll be free.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:35

Yeah, let's get it done. Let's get it done. I'm about to go over here and pour up a shot with my brother and wish him a happy birthday.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:43

I'm about to drink me a couple of brewski's and uh start binging the Lincoln lawyer.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:51

All right, dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:52

All right, well, salutations, good people. Lee, as always, a pleasure. We're out.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:57

All right, dog. All right, so did you just do