Unsexy Church
Unsexy Church
Season 2 Episode 44: On Baptist History
Do you enjoy learning about history? If you do, this episode of Unsexy Church is for you! If you don't... good luck <3
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Unsexy Church Podcast.
Speaker 2:Hello everybody, how are you?
Speaker 1:We've got new people in the room.
Speaker 2:Yes, we do Well, a new person in the room, one specifically.
Speaker 1:So you're on a mic again. Kara, welcome back. Yay, you're not always going to be on a mic necessarily.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just kidding, we'd love to have you on a mic. So you're on the mic and we also have drum roll please. I don't know if I have a drum roll on here, it can be it, okay jordan, jock, yeah, he's here in the room, so jordan's helping you with some video things uh, here in our church, which is incredible so excited for that I just saw the video that he did for your wedding.
Speaker 2:So sweet, so amazing.
Speaker 1:Pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Hired JSJ production.
Speaker 1:Whoever was talking in the beginning of that video, like, like actually talking. Oh my gosh, wow, what a good word.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what a, what a? You know what? He deserves $10.
Speaker 1:That guy, whoever that was- I listened, I listened to that and I was like that's my voice. Yeah, that was cool, that was very cool. Did you go and listen to the audio after the wedding? I would have been like talking to my wife for a while before.
Speaker 2:I turned off the light. I heard a couple messages you sent me.
Speaker 1:I may have went to the bathroom with it still on and not noticed it. I apologize.
Speaker 3:No problem, heard everything, everything.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I probably was like man, I was nervous. I don't know if that went really well. Did it go well, you?
Speaker 2:probably. Let me say that a couple of times. Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 1:You're married now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You are Miss Smith.
Speaker 2:Yes, which?
Speaker 1:will take some getting used to Miss Smith. My father's apologize it and silence my cell phone. Can I go and just answer this phone call? Go for it, here we go hey dad, just fyi, if you did not but dial me, you are on a podcast right now. Hello, yeah, it was about dial. Uh, that happens fairly frequently, he, uh, so I know why he but dialed me, because we're on the phone. Last night and it's always like the person you most recently talked to, and last night he broke his hand oh my goodness he was fixing something on his car and he was.
Speaker 1:he took off the hydraulics of the like the the back lift of the trunk. There we go, highlander, it's a Toyota Highlander. It lifted up, it's my understanding. They took the hydraulics off and had like a wood board keeping the heavy door that you don't really think is all that heavy because of hydraulics. And the wood slipped and his hand went under the door and broke his hand.
Speaker 2:A moment of silence for Trent's father and his broken hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm on the phone with him, my mom texted me and said my dad is very accident prone. He's a hard-working guy, does a number of different things and just is super accident prone. Like I think two years ago he fell off a ladder but the christmas lights up and got real hurt and just recently cut off a part of his finger using his saw. Yeah, like just the tip of it. And then, uh, so mom just texted me and said dad broke his hand and so I called them. I was like what did you do? So he's like oh yeah, it hurts. Yeah, I did this. Like what in the world you know you're crazy.
Speaker 2:So, um, yeah, silly one time jayden was camping with his friends and he took an axe and he was cutting wood in the dark. I think I'm not really sure he was doing something and he was cutting wood in the dark. I think I'm not really sure he was doing something crazy and he busted his knuckle full, open oh wow, like that, goodness. Yeah, now he has a thicky knuckle on his left hand.
Speaker 1:This is a random memory that just popped up in my head.
Speaker 1:My dad was a tennis coach for 20 to 25 plus years for West Plains High School in Southern Missouri and, like any other high school, west Plains would have foreign exchange students here and there, right, well, one time he had a foreign exchange student. There was a great tennis player, real tall guy, uh, somewhere in Europe, from somewhere in Europe. And I remember being at my dad's tennis practice and the tennis court had light poles, big metal light poles in the middle of the tennis court. So you got, like you know, you got six courts and the first three and the second three are divided by two big light poles to light up the tennis courts and they were running back and forth on the tennis courts and he was like laughing and talking to someone else and ran just straight into a metal pole and I remember being there as like a I don don't know a third grader or fourth grader and he's like laying on the ground, this like six foot five guy, like taller than every other guy going.
Speaker 1:Oh, that hurt and then like a, it was a big enough like gash on his forehead.
Speaker 2:Who was this?
Speaker 1:a foreign exchange student who played tennis in a big old gash on his head and the ambulance had to be called. This was a big enough. That's no fun. So yeah, I don't know why I thought of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we're just talking about injuries for my dad injuries and then Jaden injuries. Speaking of injuries, slash illnesses. Where's, where's pastor Bob today? Some people may be wondering.
Speaker 1:Bob is not feeling good today. He got sick, and so he's back home. My wife is home sick today. Um, so it is the season of of sickness. It really is. We went to knoxville, came back just got real sick, got better, got sick again. Um, the people we were with got sick. The people who came with us were sick before they came passing it along there, I'm not looking forward to getting sick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think when I don't know if cold weather actually brings sickness, but people get sick in the changing of the season, I think because people are all huddled together like penguins you know what I mean Trying to stay warm in the cold weather, and then they all sneeze on each other. That's my hypothesis.
Speaker 1:Did you know, like penguins get married and like stay married for life.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a thing like penguins are in biblical marriages, that's great. Well, I don't know that they have a christ in his church, but they they.
Speaker 1:So you know, animals sometimes are like bunnies, right and, but penguins are not. They're like penguins, they're married, they have a partner for life that's so precious there was a movie that came out about penguins when I was in middle school. Well, that probably came out around then and also probably came out around then surf's up but uh, it was about. It was almost like a national geographic movie and it was like was it with benedict cumberbatch?
Speaker 2:I don't know. It was before benedict cumberbatch.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It was before Benedict Cumberbatch got really popular, I think, but it was called the March of the Penguins.
Speaker 2:Oh, March of the Penguins.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was very well known, and typically you don't have documentaries about animals. That was when you were in middle school. I don't know. I was in account in 2005. Yeah, that would have been middle school.
Speaker 2:Wow, you're so old. I would have been middle school. Wow, you're so old, Trent I would have been a young middle schooler. I was four years old.
Speaker 1:I would have been probably a fifth grader, that's crazy. I graduated eighth grade in 2007.
Speaker 2:So it depends on where it landed. I was literally six years old. See, I can make the old jokes now.
Speaker 1:You can. That's pretty cool. So I would have been sixth grade um unless I was in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sixth grade probably imagine being a millennial I know millennials are the worst.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, couldn't be me.
Speaker 2:Hey, trent, I have a question for you. Okay, not a question, I actually have a fact. This is a fact. Did you? Did you know that baptists were some of the earliest proponents of potluck dinners in churches?
Speaker 1:I did not know that I've been teaching a Baptist history class.
Speaker 2:Did you know that aspect of Baptist history that does not surprise me.
Speaker 1:Does it say when they began originating?
Speaker 2:Let me ask Chat GBC.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if there's a date you're going to find on that, but um, so I'll tell you two random facts. Um, the first fact about potluck dinners is it was very common in southern baptist churches to once a month, once a year, almost every sunday, and some uh to have a potluck after worship service so they would gather for food after they would sing and pray and study the word. So I served a small country church in southwest Missouri for about three years as a young pastor and once a month we'd have a potluck.
Speaker 2:Once a month? Mm-hmm, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Now here's the second fact. Amazing. Now here's the second fact. In Nashville, the Southern Baptist Convention in 2020, let's see 2024 was where were we just at Indianapolis? 2023 was New Orleans, 2022 was Anaheim. So in 2021, in Nashville, there was a person who came up to a mic and made a motion, and their motion was to add to the SBC calendar, the calendar, that 46,000 churches can see a national potluck Sunday.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, wait, why did it not get passed? I don't know if it got passed or not, can we do that? But here's the deal. Can we put it back? Why do we?
Speaker 1:need that on a national calendar.
Speaker 2:Either do it or don't do it. It's a part of our church history, trent, it's who we are Apparently. It is a part of our church history.
Speaker 1:But you know again, like sure, I just don't know that that's worthy of. There's limited time in a Southern Baptist convention to make motions, some of which are very important motions, some of which are about potlucks. And you know I'm all for having a national potluck day, but I don't know that yet needs to take convention time, because I think any autonomous church can choose when they eat or not.
Speaker 2:I think it should be mandatory Sure.
Speaker 1:We gather for missions and evangelism and we're spending five minutes of our two days on making sure we eat all the same day in every church. I'm pro-potluck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pro-potluck, but everyone decides when they potluck.
Speaker 1:But I don't necessarily need a mandatory date to tell every other church when they should eat together.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, that's pretty valid.
Speaker 1:I guess Sure. So did you find anything when it originated? Did you find anything when it originated?
Speaker 2:Oh, it says the 19th and early 20th centuries. Potlucks were especially embraced by churches, including Baptist congregations, as a way to foster community and share food during gatherings. That sounds like Chachi, but he wrote it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, 19th century, 19th and early 20th century. So sometime in the 1800s Baptists were eating some food together and the 1800s is when the Southern Baptist Convention was found. The first national convention was found in the beginning of the 1800s, southern Baptist Convention in the middle of the 1800s. So when they started convening they started eating.
Speaker 2:I was a part of a Vietnamese Baptist church in Orlando, okay, and I think we also had potlucks.
Speaker 1:Southern Baptists.
Speaker 2:I Vietnamese Baptist church in Orlando, okay, and I think we also had potlucks, southern Baptist, I'm not sure. Actually it was at least a Baptist church. I'm not really sure if it was a Southern Baptist church. I don't think it was.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was, but we also had potluck dinners. That's cool. I think it was at. It seemed like it was often so, at least maybe like twice a month. Here's the thing about potluck dinners. I'm going to go on record saying this in the podcast and I'm probably going to feel bad for saying it.
Speaker 1:You can't eat everyone's house. Is that what you're saying? You know, there's just some people's cooking that isn't as good as other people's cooking.
Speaker 2:Say it, say it, trent, I can say that. Tell us how you feel.
Speaker 1:Well, so I can say that who are?
Speaker 2:you thinking of specifically?
Speaker 1:We don't have potlucks like that. Here. We have chili dinners and, yes, there's people that are really talented with chili it's hard to make a chili bad but we don't really have potlucks. But I have been in churches where Call them out.
Speaker 2:No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I have been in churches where there's just food.
Speaker 1:You're like I think I'm'm gonna skip that crock pot and that's. With all the love for them in the world, um, they're just, they're not culinary experts and um, yeah, yeah, I just need to stop there, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, If you've ever.
Speaker 1:I've had squirrel stew at a potluck Squirrel stew.
Speaker 2:I've had squirrel stew at a potluck from Missouri.
Speaker 1:So they eat squirrel. Not everybody does.
Speaker 2:If you've ever invited Trent to your potluck dinner, you should ask him, worried, if you're worth your rank on the scale. Yeah, because he judges hard on his potlucks. I don't think they're listening to the podcast.
Speaker 1:But squirrel stew. I've had uh deer, very common. Um uh, I've had frog legs out of potluck uh, I. So one thing that is, uh is a somewhat common potluck dish, is what's called Rocky Mountain oysters, and I will let the audience Google what that is, because I am not going to say what it is on the podcast.
Speaker 2:I think I've heard you and other gentlemen talk about that and, yeah, I would prefer not to.
Speaker 1:So there's unique culinary items that come to a potluck, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You had those at a potluck.
Speaker 1:They were at a potluck. I did not.
Speaker 2:That is one item of food I've never eaten, okay, never eaten it before.
Speaker 1:Uh, it is those items. That item is featured at um one of one side of our family's thanksgiving, and I've never eaten it's jesse's family. It's jesse's yeah, I said one side of our family.
Speaker 2:So are you listening to this?
Speaker 1:all right, should we jump into the topic or?
Speaker 2:should we do this? What do you think we should jump into the topic all?
Speaker 1:right, so we're going to try to talk about baptist history yes, uh an attempt a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1:A couple weeks ago that we started the discipleship classes yeah, we had a conversation about the seven churches of revelation because Bob was teaching. Pastor Bob was teaching a class on the seven churches of revelation. Um, at the same time we offer different classes Wednesday nights, six, 30 to seven, 30. Uh, pastor Darren has been teaching a class on D groups or discipleship groups, far away from the mic. Uh, and then I've been teaching a class on Baptist history.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so exciting.
Speaker 1:So when Bob could not make the podcast time today due to sickness, I suggest that we keep the title, keep the topic, Sorry, and you were like no, let's talk about something else. And so I think I mentioned Baptist history and you're like let's do that. So, we're going to see how this goes.
Speaker 2:We, yeah. So we're gonna see how this goes. We'll see how it goes. I think it'll be fine. I don't know all the knowledge in the world trends, I do not.
Speaker 1:I'll just grill you on questions non-stop and you'll just spit all your answers out for the audience. Have you ever studied history? Not only is some quite a bit of history biased in, you know, people writing books and sharing what they want to share and sharing what they don't want to share, or capitalizing on a person's life that they like and keeping out a person's life they don't like, but it's also so vast Like there's a lot of things I don't know, so you might ask a question and I'm just going to say I don't know Okay.
Speaker 1:Or I'm pretty sure I remember blank so and it'll be your take.
Speaker 2:So you'll just remember the characters that you like in Baptist history and you'll just tell us those. So everything is biased here.
Speaker 1:You'll just tell us those. So everything is biased here, folks. Yeah, so it's very vast. When I preach on a Sunday morning, I'm not typically preaching history. There might be a moment I'm teaching on a brief moment of history, right. But there is a canon. 66 books are in the Bible, so the canon is closed. History is extremely vast and so it's hard to just kind of say, oh there's this thing that happened in history, also knowing what every other person was doing at that time right.
Speaker 1:Only God is sovereign and can know all people and know all things. So, my knowledge of history is severely limited, significantly limited. So ask away about Baptist history. Okay, baptist history, baptist history yeah, here we go All right.
Speaker 2:So, Trent, we are all Baptists here in this room.
Speaker 1:We are members, so I'm going to say a lot of comments.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:We are all Baptists in this room because we are members of a local Baptist church.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Trent. Where did all these Baptists come from?
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, so let's try to answer this from 30,000 feet. Yes, okay, so let's try to answer this from 30,000 feet. So, for the first couple hundred years the primary, the examples we see in the New Testament. And then, following their conversion to Christ, they were baptized. Life of the church, most likely. So Thomas Kidd would make this argument, nathan Finn would make this argument most likely due to infant sickness or young child sickness and interpretation of the Bible. They thought, well, we really need to have our kids be baptized at young ages, so that they are baptized before they die and they would be welcomed gladly into heaven. Just in case there's any reason they wouldn't be welcomed gladly into heaven, let's go ahead and baptize our infant or our child. There are other streams, probably at the same time, arguing that baptism, like the Presbyterians would believe, was the sign of the new covenant, like circumcision was the sign of the old covenant, and so they would, you know, kind of have the argument well, baptism is this sign of the covenant.
Speaker 1:Well, over time, as the Catholic Church evolved and grew, there were some interesting things that came up. Theologically, the church was given, or kind of held, the power of not only interpreting the Bible, but its traditions were set on par with the Bible. There was new traditions that were formed, new practices that were formed, indulgences in the 1800s where you could pay the church, who had authority over purgatory, so after you died, you would go to purgatory for a time. They would teach not in the Bible, but they would teach you to go to purgatory for a time so that any purification that still needed to happen before you would enter heaven could happen in purgatory. And so, say, your parents needed to continue to be purified after their death before they would enter heaven. You could pay the Catholic Church an indulgence, a gift, and they could, in other words, say, well, your grandma's no longer in purgatory anymore, in quasi-hell, which is horrible. I just want to go on record and say that's. That's horrible. It's not only unbiblical, that's manipulation for money.
Speaker 2:We don't believe in that?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. So that would be indulgences, that would be a purgatory. There was also some other things, like paying for um positions of power in the church, because the church and the government got so intertwined with one another. There's a reason I'm telling you all this. So people would actually pay to be in to be a priest or a bishop, because they could. Being one of those positions came with privileges. Being one of those positions came with privileges, and so they may not have been Christians, but they wanted power and they could pay someone and they would get that position of power Over time. There was the ideas that you should pray to Mary or venerate saints. Then you had the thousands, the thousands. So you know, right after the 900s, the thousands, there was Pope Urban, because of the rise of the Muslim empire, encouraged believing Catholics to go and kill Muslims, you know, to kind of fend for the Holy Land, and he said, basically, this would be kind of like an indulgence, this would be a trip that you would take that would earn you favor in heaven. So there's, just as the Catholic Church grew and became so intertwined with the government, when you mix politics and theology, you get politics right. When you mix the church and the government, you oftentimes get the government Um and uh, and that's what happened. So, that being said, there was movements that came about throughout this medieval church period. Uh, you see, john Wycliffe and the Lawlards.
Speaker 1:John Wycliffe wanted to get the Bible that was in Latin but not the common language of the day, into the hands of people who could read the Bible for themselves. We want people to have personal Bibles, and so he made an English translation of the Latin Vulgate. Then you had a guy named John Hus with a copy of the Bible in Bohemia that said, hey, this is some of these things indulgences and people. Supremacy, which means, like the Pope, having so much power, is not biblical. So you started having, in the Catholic church, people saying, oh, this isn't true, as the Bible is available. John Wycliffe played a huge part in that.
Speaker 1:And then, in 1517, you had a German monk named Martin Luther who got access to a Bible and saw the depravity of the papacy in Rome. He saw them with prostitutes. He saw them asking for indulgences, praying on the poor, for money to pay off debts for St Peter's Basilica, and he said, like, this is ungodly and wicked. And so he came up with 95 challenges to the theology of the Roman Catholic Church, posted on the church door in Wittenberg and was targeted because of that. But his initial desire for a conversation about poor theology ignited the Reformation. So what Wycliffe and what John Hus tried to do with smaller groups like the Hussites and the Lollards became widespread. And here's why Because the printing press had just been made and so any kind of disagreement you could have that would hold weight or hold people's attention could be put out everywhere. So the beginning of the printing press, or the rise of the printing press, it's like social media, it's like we're going to cancel you right now.
Speaker 2:So came the reformation, the ref.
Speaker 1:So so, uh, you know, um, martin Luther didn't do anything necessarily totally different than Wycliffe or John Huss, but he had the printing press, and so his teachings and his words spread abroad and other people held on to it, and so the Reformation began. So before the Catholic Church owned the land, owned the government, owned everything, and now you're starting to see common uprising Right, and it's coming because people have access to the scriptures for the first time. Priests had access to Latin. Many of them couldn't even read Latin and they were teaching the Bible. Now you have the Bible in the common language for everybody to Latin. Many of them couldn't even read Latin and they were teaching the Bible. Now you have the Bible in the common language for everybody to read. So so then you have kind of some splits. This is where we're going to get to Baptist history.
Speaker 2:I know this is a long answer. I'm tracking. I'm tracking.
Speaker 1:So then you had some splits. You first have this group called the Anabaptists, who get access to Scripture. In the 1500s the Anabaptists was a term used for this group. They didn't call themselves Anabaptists, but Anabaptist means like re-baptized, anabaptist, re-baptism. So there were these Catholics who had been baptized as infants who in reading the scriptures realized okay, I don't think that's what baptism means or is. You could remove original sin, not the Presbyterian form of infant baptism, but you actually remove original sin by infant baptism, which is not a biblical teaching.
Speaker 2:Wish I could do that.
Speaker 1:That's an easy way to deal with sin is to be dumped right. But Martin Luther would write a Christian life is a life of repentance. Yeah, okay. So, in other words, going back to the story, anabaptists had access to the scriptures and they would argue infant baptism was not biblical. They would be scattered groups, some of them in the Netherlands, in Switzerland, and they were called Anabaptists because they were basically said they were called you rebaptizers. Well, the Anabaptists, I don't think, are where we draw our history from. I think they did have some similarities with Baptists. I think they're our distant cousins, they're not our fathers and mothers of the faith.
Speaker 1:Anabaptists sought to separate from the Catholic church which you don't do that, you're going to be persecuted. If you do that right, they have the power and they will use it. And so if you're teaching something contrary, you're committing an act of treason. And so the Anabaptists were pacifists. They didn't think you should be involved in government or war. So they went farther than pacifism Not only don't participate in war, but don't participate in the government. Um, the Anabaptists were the early church, fathers of the Mennonites and the Amish. Okay, the brethren movement. Yeah, so they founded their own societies with the scriptures and practice believers baptism.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Many of them being rebaptized because they had been baptized as Catholics. However, they got a little crazy, some of them. There's a story of the Anabaptist taking over Munster, germany, and basically making kind of like a commune. Their leader was a guy named John of Leiden. He ran around naked and received revelations from God. He would say they were violent. They would forcibly baptize Lutherans. So Lutherans in Germany from the German monk Martin Luther, who had become Lutherans right, they would forcibly re-baptize Lutherans or excommunicate them.
Speaker 1:They had about one year of doing this and then the Catholic Church tortured them all so they got rid of the Anabaptists. So when the Baptists would form later they would put at the top of their doctrinal statements we are not Anabaptists to basically distance themselves from that group. We're almost to the part of church history where this makes sense. So the Protestant Reformation turned into almost a war of ideas In England. As the Reformation made its way to England there came a queen named Elizabeth, and later James, who would be Protestants, and they would find their own church, would found their own church in England called the Church of England, which is the Anglican Church. Okay, okay, this would be in the 1600s. Now, late 1500s, early 1600s, the Protestants were glad to not be Roman Catholic in England but thought the Anglican church kept too much Catholicism, too much of its traditions and practices and liturgy, form of services, and so they, anglicans, are Protestants, though right Correct.
Speaker 1:So the first Protestant denomination in England was the Anglican church, right. But there were Protestants who thought I don't like the Anglican church, the queen didn't Anglican Church, right. But there were Protestants who thought, ah, I don't like the Anglican Church. The Queen didn't take it far. Enough right, they didn't remove them, they didn't reform from the Catholic Church, enough right. And so you had the influence of John Calvin's teaching at the time, john Knox's teaching at the time, peter Vermeeghly, a number of different reformers who had taught things that would go counter to the Anglican church, and so then you had people wanting to pull from the Anglican church and you had people wanting to purify the Anglican church. Have you heard of the phrase Puritans before? I have? The Puritans are those that wanted to purify the Anglican church. They were willing to stay, but it needed to be more pure. Okay, john Owen, anglican, wanted to stay, but it thought the church in England needed to be more pure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, make sense yeah.
Speaker 1:Then there were Protestants, so Protestant Puritans in England, and then Protestant Polars or Protestant separatists, who would separate themselves from the church and say, no, we need to form a new church, totally different. Anglican. Is it's too far from being helped. Okay, those are separatists, separatists. They would congregate and be kicked out of England. And there was a congregation in England that would be kicked out that John Smith was a leader in Pocahontas. John Smith was a leader in Pocahontas, john Smith was a leader in, and that congregation would be kicked out of England and sent to the Netherlands. The Netherlands.
Speaker 2:What did they do there?
Speaker 1:Amsterdam, or specifically Holland, and the first Baptist church of Holland was formed. When that congregation, kicked out of England, would have access to the Bible. With their access to the Bible, would be convinced of believer's baptism and start practicing it.
Speaker 2:So that is, those are the separationists.
Speaker 1:We are separatists.
Speaker 2:We are separatists, we are separatists, we are separatists, but we are different than a Baptist in that we formed the, the capital B Baptist, were radical Puritans in England separated. So what you said? You'd said Puritans, and then you said separate separatists.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they, we. We came out of the Puritan movement. They were a lot of more Catholic turned Anglican um who didn't think Anglican went far enough after trying to purify it, so they thought we need to separate from the Church of England. They're not going to go far enough, they separated themselves. So they were radical Puritans.
Speaker 2:Radical.
Speaker 1:Puritans. Puritans can't fix it, we've got to form our own congregation. And then they got kicked out forming their own congregation in England to Amsterdam. Founded a church in Amsterdam. There's three guys a part of that church John Robinson, john Smith and Thomas Helwes. Those names are important.
Speaker 2:So in that Puritan group there were the separationists Separatists, yeah, Separatists.
Speaker 1:Some of which got kicked out and Netherland had a little bit more religious liberty you could gather there and not get in trouble and so they formed their own church, the First Church of Holland. So I'm almost done answering this question, because this is the beginning of Baptists. But this is the point right. Baptists are those that desire to align their lives with the Bible over tradition and try to restore the early church practice of believer's baptism. They are trying to purify the church and thought we have to separate from what's been established in its practices to be as close to the early church understanding of the New Testament. And so that was Baptists.
Speaker 2:And is that also where the name comes from, then, like alongside baptism?
Speaker 1:I assume. So yeah, I don't have it on paper, but yeah, Baptist is from believers baptism. So there's two key things you learn about Baptist pretty early. Then Baptists don't like governmental control and Baptists believe in believers baptism and do not believe that baptism before belief is right or even should be considered baptism is right or even should be considered baptism. So you have. So I told you three guys. John Smith kind of led the congregation in Holland. There was John Robinson who would separate from John Smith on an issue.
Speaker 3:Pretty quickly what issue. They separated a lot.
Speaker 1:That issue. I know what Thomas Hell was separated on. I think don't quote me on here. I think John Robinson was because of um was leadership. I think he thought there should be a senior pastor, um and John Smith thought there should be a plurality of elders. I think that was what their split was. Don't quote me on that. I think that's right. I don't know, I think it was leadership issue, but John Robinson's congregation would be the pilgrim congregation. Pilgrims.
Speaker 3:The pilgrims.
Speaker 1:So they were under John Robinson. John Robinson got sick and never made the trip on the Mayflower, but that was his congregation.
Speaker 2:So coming from where, coming from?
Speaker 1:England and the Netherlands.
Speaker 2:England and the Netherlands.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, so Thomas Helwes would separate from John Smith. Okay, are you ready? Are you ready? So Thomas Helwes would separate from John Smith? Okay, are you ready? Thomas Helwes was a lawyer, helped fund John Smith's congregation, leaving England originally Remember they got kicked out of England went to the Netherlands. And Thomas Helwes would disagree with John Smith, because John Smith became an Anabaptist.
Speaker 2:All of a sudden.
Speaker 1:Yep. All of a sudden Yep, he was introduced by the. The Netherlands had Anabaptists and they leased a location owned by an Anabaptist and so he would become an Anabaptist. Thomas Helwes was like no, we're not Anabaptists, would move back to England and found the first Baptist church of England. So then you got a Baptist church now in England and Thomas Helwes would be, um, uh, the first Baptist pastor congregation in England. After being kicked out, and he would be in a lot of trouble, he would go to prison pretty quick because he went back to England and he would write to the King and he would say you have no power in churches and shouldn't act like you do. So he was the kind of the father of religious liberty in England. That's pretty cool. So Southern Baptists have in our articles of faith, our Baptist faith and message, a section on religious liberty. We have always been people who have fought for religious liberty, meaning the countries should not coerce Christianity. You should not be considered a Christian because of where you live.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You should not be. Christians should not be, christianity should not be. You should not be coerced into Christianity like, hey, convert or you'll die. Right, you should be convinced of Christianity. Does that make sense? So you're a Christian, not because of coercion, but because of conversion. That's essential to being Baptists, because you cannot be baptized and be considered a Baptist or take part in the Lord's Supper or be part of a congregation until you're baptized. And you can't be baptized unless you're a Christian.
Speaker 2:Yeah, does that make sense? Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1:So we believe Baptists have always believed that faith is personal, it's not locational.
Speaker 2:Are you saying, if I live in the South, that I'm not? You can go to church, but you're not necessarily a Christian, not locational. Are you saying, um, if I live in the South that I'm not?
Speaker 1:I'm not. You can go to church, but you're not necessarily a.
Speaker 2:Christian. I'm not a Baptist, just cause I live in the South.
Speaker 1:Sure, it's. Other Baptist churches are in Puerto Rico and Connecticut anyway. So, um, but uh, that that's that's really essential Believers. Baptism necessitates regenerate church and you can't be a church member unless you're a believer. Yeah, and also because we're separatists by nature and because we believe salvation is personal and to be a part of a church you must be a believer. We believe in religious liberty. The state shouldn't coerce faith, can't coerce faith, and so we would write and write and write about you can't make, you shouldn't make this, uh than this, you know? Uh, let me go on to say this when, when can I go further in history?
Speaker 2:Keep going.
Speaker 1:Is this boring? No, are you sure.
Speaker 2:We're good yeah.
Speaker 1:You're a little bored, okay. So, from, from England and also some from Amsterdam. Uh, there there would be pilgrims that would land at Cape Cod.
Speaker 2:Plymouth.
Speaker 1:Rock. It's argued whether they land at Plymouth Rock or Cape Cod, but they would form eventually the Massachusetts Bay Colony. What's interesting about forming the Massachusetts Bay Colony? They formed kind of a Protestant colony, like one of the first colonies we're going to practice Protestantism. Well, there was a guy John Winthrop met him in the past there.
Speaker 1:That might be wrong. There was a guy named Roger Williams. Roger Williams was specifically a Baptist, not just an Anglican or a Lutheran, and he said, like Thomas Helwes did, you can't make people in Massachusetts Bay be Christians. So he said, what they did in England you're just doing here. And so he would be excommunicated. So the first person to be excommunicated from the Massachusetts Bay Colony was a Baptist. He would move to Rhode Island, found the Rhode Island Bay Colony and the Rhode Island Bay Colony or Rhode Island Colony Bay. Rhode Island Colony was based upon religious liberty. He would write and say you can't coerce faith, people should have the right to be wrong. Now, he was a Baptist. He was even a Calvinistic Baptist. He had great theology, but he thought people should have the right to have wrong theology, just shouldn't be considered a Christian. But he thought people should have the right to have wrong theology just shouldn't be considered a Christian, but they should be able to live here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1:So his words about religious liberty a couple hundred years later, a hundred years later I don't know how many years at that point, a couple hundred years later, a little less than a couple hundred years would be used by Thomas Jefferson. And Thomas Jefferson would write about the separation of church and state, merka, and he would take it from Roger Williams, a Baptist excommunicated from the Massachusetts Bay Colony. And the idea of church and state, often used as a weapon of progressive ideals, was not to keep the church out of the state, the church should of the state, the church should influence the state, but it was to keep the state out of the church. So the church should influence the state, but the state should not interfere with the church. Baptists have always been about religious liberty. I told you a lot there.
Speaker 2:You did, you did, and I kind of want to take a step back for a moment, because the question no, you're good.
Speaker 3:You're good.
Speaker 1:But, the Baptist. That's the beginning of the Baptist. Yeah, we got it, we got it.
Speaker 2:So the question was where did all these Baptists come from? And you started with the Reformation.
Speaker 1:Radical Puritans in England.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Radical Puritans in England. But you started with the Reformation and then it was the Anglican church in England. Then you had the Sep separatists.
Speaker 1:Separatists. Yeah yeah, separate, separate. They separated from the church of England. Yes yeah.
Speaker 2:And from the separatists came the first congregationalists the congregationalists.
Speaker 1:I didn't say that word earlier, but yeah, congregationalists.
Speaker 2:All right. And then from the congregationalists came that first Baptist church in in church in New Zealand or no, In?
Speaker 1:the Netherlands. In the Netherlands, yeah specifically Holland, but in the Netherlands, and then after that church Geographically not far from England, just across some water.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then after that church was the first Baptist church in England.
Speaker 1:Thomas Helwes was frustrated and went back to England with a congregation with like 10 members. So he was like a church plant, but an angry plant. Adam first about his holland, uh, nottingham, I think, england, so uh, and then he got trolled pretty fast yeah, got put in prison and died in prison. Yeah, amidst like the and he wrote to king charles and said don't touch my church. Your authority ends where the church door begins so the idea was we are all on a level.
Speaker 1:There's not be a Southern Baptist life. Right, is this the it's? We're, we are historical. Um, there should not be hierarchy, a hierarchy over the church. When you walk into the church doors, we are even so, king Charles, your authority ends when you walk in a church door. That's what he wrote yeah. That's good, you can read it. It's a treatise, I don't know. It's some treatise by Thomas Ellis. It's a long title. All their books and titles are long and I can't remember what it's called. Something treatise on something in iniquity.
Speaker 2:I don't know Cool. What is it In the separatists and the Puritans? Is that like during that phase? I guess, of things is that where, like Lutherans and Methodists and Lutherans were already around, lutherans were already around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if there were a ton of Lutherans in. I mean, there probably were people that were influenced by Lutheran England. There definitely were. But you've got you know different parts of Europe that was. You just have there's so many names and movements to follow. Luther ignited a lot of that. The printing press helped a lot of that. Different pastors with different opinions continued that. So Luther and then Calvin, then a guy named Zwingli, zwingli, zwingli.
Speaker 3:Zwingli.
Speaker 1:Zwingli. Zwingli got a little crazy, but we owe some ideas from Zwingli. Luther had a view of the Lord's Supper called Real Presence. Calvin had a similar view, but not the same view, and Zwingli said, okay, no, this is not literally the body and blood of Christ. These are symbols.
Speaker 3:And that would be the view of the Baptists.
Speaker 1:So Zwingli was okay. No, this is not literally the body and blood of Christ, these are symbols and that would be the view of the Baptists. So Zwingli was an early reformer with that view. Zwingli was from Switzerland but I think went into the Netherlands. So I think, or Germany, I don't remember. He is yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of people in a lot of places. I feel like.
Speaker 1:So movement went crazy. The kings and queens in england eventually said we don't like catholics anymore, we want to be protestant. And they basically said well, we don't know any other way of being a christian other than making this a governmental thing. And so anglicanism was formed and thomas cranmer was very influential as like the first anglican that wrote the book of common prayer and stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh he was like. He was like the theologian for Anglicans. Yeah, that's cool, just commissioned by yeah. I'm so glad the listeners of our podcast have bigger brains and are able to comprehend a lot more of what you're saying.
Speaker 3:No, I'm tracking generally. You know what I mean. I'm tracking generally, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm tracking generally, but each of the specific things and the specific people, I am having a little bit of difficulty.
Speaker 1:So the Church of England is where it gets difficult. So the Church in the West is the Roman Catholic Church, so you don't really have Eastern Orthodox, you have Catholic Church in that part of the West. And then England, the monarchy, was convinced of Protestantism because of all of the work of Protestantism ignited by Luther. So they're like well, we'll just make our own Protestant nomination called Anglicanism, and it'll be a lot like Catholicism where we'll control it and people didn't like the controlling part and then thought they kept too much Catholicism and so you had Puritans in.
Speaker 1:England and out of the Puritans. They're like, well, they didn't go far enough, or not, that the Puritans didn't go far enough, but the Puritans aren't going to be able to do enough work here. We're going to have to separate from the Church of England.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So I have another question for you. So you've mentioned a few things here, but this question is what is unique about the Baptist understanding of the faith? And you've mentioned how Baptists think that we ought to be able to. You know, anyone's equal to everyone else. So, like the king is not over anyone, you know, it's just the word of the Lord. They value that over tradition. So what are the other things like this that you could list that are unique about Baptists there?
Speaker 1:are two main things. Specifically Baptists, because a lot of the other Protestant thinkers and leaders believed a lot about what we believe. Justification by faith alone. I mean Luther argued for that right. We're not Lutheran and so what distinguishes us from Lutherans and the Congregationalists that were primarily Calvinistic Congregationalists? They didn't practice anti-Baptism, so they're kind of Presbyterians. The things that differentiated us were twofold, but they both have a ramification. Differentiated us were twofold, but they both have a ramification.
Speaker 1:So religious liberty, which the ramification of that would be local church autonomy, make sense. So local churches make decisions of local churches. You don't tell me who my pastor is, or you hire a group above us that doesn't know our congregation, doesn't tell us who our pastor is. We decide that, like there's early church, early church, I think John Smith wrote hey, we should decide our pastors, not someone who doesn't know our church. That was in writing in the early 1600s. Right, that's what we do. That's really cool. We're tied to the 1600s and those ideas which I would argue is 1 Timothy, 5. So religious liberty, autonomous churches, keep the state out of our church. That's number one. Number two believers baptism, which the ramification of that is regenerate church membership. You can't be a member of a church unless you're a believer. So to be a member on a roll, you must be a believer, and specifically a baptized believer. So to have access to the Lord's Supper and to church decisions, you must be a public believer in the Lord Jesus Christ born again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, religious church liberty, which leads to church autonomy, and then believers baptism, which necessitates regenerate church membership. You have to have a new heart to be a church member.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and these aren't like new things. These, like you said earlier, they're early church history.
Speaker 1:Baptists would argue with their Bibles open. This is what the early church practiced, so it's sometimes funny when I'm going to say this on the podcast. Say it, it's sometimes funny when Reformed denominations that are not Baptists say that we are not Reformed, he's calling you out.
Speaker 1:Because we technically Reformed more than they did. So we went further than they did on the issue of baptism and religious liberty. So we believe pretty much what they believe, except for we did more. They might say not for the positive, but we went further, pulling from Catholic practice of religious hierarchy and infant baptism.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the, the reformed denominations I guess you would say like Lutheran Presbyterian.
Speaker 1:Calvinistic, calvinistic Lutheran.
Speaker 2:Calvinistic. Yeah, they also teach on, like those, the doctrines of like predestination or not but Baptists don't Depends, so you're bringing up something. Just curious Depends.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, this is great, right. So I mean, you're bringing up Calvinism, which is obviously a really big hot-button subject, but here's the truth. We're talking about Baptist history. In England there was not a consensus on that. There were Baptists that were more influenced by John Calvin and Baptists that were not as influenced by John Calvin, more influenced by Zwingli or someone else like that. So Baptists have always been split on that issue, always Within the Southern Baptist Convention. There is both Reformed Baptists if they want to call themselves that, or Calvinistic Baptists, and then more Arminian Baptists. Arminian was just another leader that didn't like Calvin's views on predestination.
Speaker 1:So they would actually once they this is good. In the 1600s there was a moment in which the Baptist congregations were given freedom to gather without threat and there formed general Baptists and particular Baptists. So there were two different types of Baptists in England after Thomas Helwes. General Baptists believed in a more Arminian view of theology, more free will, less about predestination. Particular Baptists were more Calvinistic in nature, particular, particular Baptists. So it should be said we're already at 49 minutes so we're going to have to conclude here pretty quick. It should be said that the earliest Baptists in England were General Baptists, the first Baptist. However, they died out pretty quick because there were some issues with the Trinity with some of those groups of General Baptists. So by the end of the 1600s, particular Baptists. So by the end of the 1600s particular Baptists were the most popular Baptists. They formed the 1689 London Baptist Confession. They based it off the Westminster Confession in some ways and so that would be the first Baptist confession and it was reformed in nature.
Speaker 1:When you get over to the United States, general Baptists were not near as popular. Particular Baptists were everywhere, and so the New Hampshire Confession was an attempt to allow kind of more general Baptist people in US Baptists. So the US made a confession, kind of like the London Baptists did. This is what we believe. It was also reformed in nature, particular in nature, calvinistic in nature, but it was written with less particulars of the particular Baptist movement so that general Bapt Baptist could be welcomed. The Southern Baptist convention was formed by particular Baptists.
Speaker 2:Okay, and all aligning on the issues of believers, baptism and religious liberty, either particular or general. Yeah, pretty cool, yeah, pretty cool stuff.
Speaker 1:So in the SBC there'll be differences of opinion regarding particular general, but we're aligned in our Baptistic beliefs.
Speaker 2:I learned a lot about Baptists today. Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 1:You didn't ask about the Southern Baptist Convention, so I'm going to say something really fast.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, we're going to do that little.
Speaker 1:We're at 50 minutes.
Speaker 2:So maybe not.
Speaker 1:So no, we're fine. So the Great Awakening happened, igniting religious fervor through revivals George Whitefield, jonathan Edwards. Baptists gained more ground through that process, or through that time, in the 1700s and 1800s. The first national convention or grouping of Baptists was formed in 1814, called the Triennial Assembly. So the first United States Baptist National Baptist organization was the Triennial Assembly. However, that was during the time of slavery and there was Baptists in the South that were slave owners. There were Baptists in the North that did not have slavery, as you can imagine, baptists in the South that were slave owners, or Baptists in the North that did not like slavery, as you can imagine.
Speaker 1:A part of this Triennial Assembly an issue came up of will we support? Because the Baptists came together for the sake of mission? We're autonomous. We don't want anybody controlling what we do. Southern Baptist Conventions, all autonomous churches that no one can technically control what you do. You just come together for the sake of pooling money for missions. That's the reason the Third Baptist Convention exists. No one tells us what to do. We agree on a simple statement of faith and the only reason. We're a convention. We're not a denomination, we're a convention of churches who gather two days of the year to make decisions for mission and theological education. I'm saying a lot here really quick. In 1845, they had a candidate that was going to be a missionary and the question was can we send out a slave owner?
Speaker 1:to be a missionary and the Southern Baptists. Many of them said well, it sounds like the Triune Assembly will not support him. Let's form our own convention.
Speaker 3:That formed the Southern Baptist Convention in 1845 on the issue of slavery, because they wanted to send out the Southern Baptist Convention in 1845 on the issue of slavery, because they wanted to send out.
Speaker 1:They wanted to say it was okay to support someone signing off on their affirming their faith by supporting them on the mission field and they would send out a slave. But that was the beginning of the SBC the beginning of the SBC was so that we could be a convention and allow slavery.
Speaker 2:That's a fun fact right there. Oh, it's a sad fact. Yeah, not a fun fact at all.
Speaker 1:So you know I said this in our gathering. Southern Baptists are the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, so extremely influential. They've grown leaps and bounds and as they've grown they've met their own challenges with theology. We remain a very conservative denomination but as we've grown and things have changed in our culture, we have looked back on that time not understanding why we would allow a slave owner to be a missionary or even affirm a slave owner's faith.
Speaker 1:Now I'm not saying, okay, george Whitefield owned slaves, he wasn't a believer. I'm not saying that In fact there have been SBC professors who have said which one of you would have stood up and said, no, we can't have it? And that day and said, no, we can't have slaves, that's unbiblical, that's unbiblical, that's ungodly, it's wicked. And you know you have all these people raising their hands and you're like, are you sure you would have? That was the culture in that day and it's sad. And so the Southern Baptist Convention regularly repudiates that with eyes not just to look down at our fathers in the faith but to not understand it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, they were people of their day.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, do you want to do the trivia?
Speaker 1:You want to do a little quick trivia and then we'll close it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've got some SBC trivia for you. Are we bored to death? I know Jordan's just sitting here, tapping his foot.
Speaker 2:He's like get me out of here. No, no, no. My brain, my brain, I just got a bunch of information. I'm going to have to listen to this again, Same.
Speaker 1:So look up some names in the early Baptist movement. It would be important to look up Thomas Helwes, john Smith and Roger Williams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's nice to know where we came from or where Baptist churches have come from, so that's very good. All right got some trivia for you. You ready.
Speaker 1:About the SBC All right. So SBC is the denomination Well, I just said denomination. It's the convention we're a part of. We're not technically a part of a denomination, we're kind of more independent-ish. But we convene with 46,000 churches once a year and pull our money from missions and education. That convention is the Southern Baptist Convention.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, all right, this one's fun because it's a seasonal question. Okay, what annual campaign promotes the SBC's international missions efforts?
Speaker 1:Lottie Moon.
Speaker 2:Wow In.
Speaker 1:China. Lottie Moon was a missionary to China, and so there's something called the Cooperative Program, which is just the program, the way in which we pull our money. It's called the Cooperative Program, and the Cooperative Program funds a number of things. So when we as a church choose how much we want to give to the Cooperative Program, if we give anything, we're technically Southern Baptists. All you have to do to be said about is just to give money to the cooperative program or give money to some others.
Speaker 1:So we're so bad. But unique about the lottie moon annual uh offering is that 100 of the proceeds go to overseas missionaries are southern baptist missionaries. Unique about the southern baptist missionaries is that they don't have to raise their own funds. They are vetted by a system that we have organized and voted on as 46,000 churches and they are fully funded by our collective funds. They're 4,000.
Speaker 2:Just go and focus on being on it.
Speaker 1:As long as they're approved, they can go and focus. They don't have to come back for a year and raise funds. So they're salaried all over the world 4,000 of them.
Speaker 2:That's great, all right. What prominent SBC leader was known as the quote-unquote Prince of Preachers and influenced Baptist theology in the 19th century?
Speaker 3:So not a Southern Baptist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, an English Baptist, wow, charles Haddon Spurgeon.
Speaker 2:You're just the coolest, trent knows everything. He was a megachurch pastor.
Speaker 1:He wouldn't have been called a mega church pastor back then, but a very large pastor. A unique idea or unique fact about Charles Spurgeon Most people know him by his preaching and by the fact that he really likes cigars. But a big, booming voice. A fact about him is his and one might call it his philanthropy or his work with adoption and shelters and group homes, orphanages as well. He was an abolitionist and so there were I've heard there were some US Baptists who were not a fan of Spurgeon because of his letters he wrote advocating abolition in the United States.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what state has the most SBC affiliated churches?
Speaker 1:I could guess yes, florida, no. Okay, then it's probably georgia.
Speaker 2:miss, uh no you mean one more guess. You only have one more guess.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna tell you, it's somewhere in that area you get one guess, one state is it te Texas? It's Texas. Okay, okay, that makes sense. I think there are probably more Florida Baptist churches per capita in Florida or Georgia or something like that, my guess. But Texas is stinking huge.
Speaker 2:Texas is a large state. What SBC seminary is located in Wake Forest, North Carolina?
Speaker 1:It's the seminary that Pastor Bob is a trustee in. Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. Yeah, president is Danny Akin. Also, southern Baptist Convention started chartered in Georgia, so that was my second guess. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow, is that it.
Speaker 3:You're so cool.
Speaker 1:No other questions I have well, you want more questions. One more, one more, one more, and then we'll end it. We're at 58 minutes.
Speaker 2:The rest of these are so easy, though, because it's just like.
Speaker 1:I know, you know them find a hard one, find a hard one okay, I have one that's. I was worried about this, and these haven't been too hard, well, I gave you some that I knew would be anyway.
Speaker 2:What year was the Southern Baptist Convention officially founded? I already said that you did do you need a month, no, just the year.
Speaker 1:It was founded in march of 1845, but the charter in augusta, georgia, was december of 1845 yeah, the rest of these are just like okay.
Speaker 2:So in what city was the southern baptist convention founded?
Speaker 1:I just said you know, yeah, you already said that
Speaker 2:just like all of these things, the sbc annual meeting, international mission board, like I just know. You know them, so it's just just. It's too, trent's, just so full of knowledge you guys.
Speaker 1:Whatever?
Speaker 2:I don't know what to do with myself.
Speaker 1:So to realize how large the SBC is, there is supposedly 16 million members. However, at the last ACP in 2024, so based on the 2023 year there were about 4 million active attenders in Southern Baptist churches. There's a Southern Baptist church in every state, including Puerto Rico. There were 226,000. It's on the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure that's right 226,000 baptisms in SBC in the last year Pretty cool. It's on the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure that's right.
Speaker 2:226,000 baptisms in SBC in the last year Pretty cool man. I asked ChapGPT for more difficult questions and I know that you also know these.
Speaker 1:Ask a few, and then we got it.
Speaker 2:No, you do, it's an hour. You do Freak. You know these Okay. Which SBC-affiliated organization focuses on disaster relief?
Speaker 1:Well, Freak, you know these Okay which SBC-affiliated organization focuses on disaster relief? Well, so it's immediately called Send Relief but it's under the. North American Mission Board. If it says anything else, it's wrong.
Speaker 2:It says Southern Baptist Disaster Relief. Is that wrong?
Speaker 1:It's probably it's just called Send Relief now, but yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:What was the?
Speaker 2:name of the SBC's first official hymnal published in 1850?. I have no idea, but I could guess. Yes, I found the question. I would guess the.
Speaker 1:Baptist hymnal.
Speaker 2:The Baptist psalmody.
Speaker 1:Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, thanks for listening. Yeah, thanks everyone for listening.
Speaker 1:Thanks for keeping on the podcast and actually listening to this far you made it.
Speaker 2:That's great. You can use this podcast, just listen to it, during your hour-long commute from Lakeland.
Speaker 1:Hey, here's the deal. I think people hunger to be a part of a movement bigger than themselves. The idea of Baptists was to restore the teachings of the apostles and the early church and remove the excess. You belong to a movement, a part of that. How cool is that?
Speaker 2:That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:All right, that's it.
Speaker 2:Pretty sick. Hey, thanks so much for answering all the questions, Trent. So grateful for you and thanks. Jordan for being here.
Speaker 1:Thank you, yeah, thanks for sitting in, did you? Did you talk on the mic at all? Not really.
Speaker 3:I was just paying attention. That's good. Thanks for hanging out.
Speaker 1:All right, here we go, you ready.
Speaker 3:All right, bye. Have a great time.
