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Season 2 Episode 49: On Bearing False Witness
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Join us for this week's episode of Unsexy Church, with Pastor Champ and Pastor Dude, as they discuss the 9th commandment. What does it mean to bear false witness? Does this only mean in court or are there other things we ought to consider as we look to obey this command? They tackle the modern-day implications of bearing false witness, likening it to slander and exploring how these acts impact society at large. We can't wait for you to listen!
hey, everybody, welcome back to the podcast. We have been talking about dinosaurs and celebrity culture, and pastor bob loves celebrity culture. Let me just tell all about it he knows all about the blake lively. What other person's drama? Is today, timothy chalamet and all the movies he's in now, yeah, which we should just say I cannot get the last three minutes of my life back.
Speaker 2That's what we're going to say.
Speaker 1We're going to ruin another minute because I don't know anything about celebrity culture but I do know Timothee Chalamet is in like 20 movies it feels like he's like in every movie he's doing good. Okay, well, that makes me sound like I know much about celebrity culture. I do not know anything. You culture I do not know anything.
Speaker 3You were giving us the latest scoop not too long ago.
Speaker 1I was sharing with what I heard, which might have been wrong apparently, about the whole issue between two different celebrities right now. Well, hey, we're glad you're back on the podcast Anything to get off that topic.
Speaker 2Please help us get off this topic.
Speaker 3We're also talking about dinosaurs. It's relevant.
Speaker 1Dragons are in the Bible right Leviathan leviathan, behemoth, behemoth, yeah sure also all sorts of creatures in revelation those creatures.
Speaker 2You're just catching up our uh, our audience here on what we've been discussing the last few minutes, so they know why we're saying these things welcome to the backroom conversations of the podcast. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1Yeah Well, a new year's begun, and it is a new year we're three weeks into the new year.
Speaker 2What are you talking about? New year?
Speaker 1That's how I'm just starting the sentence, and it is really cold. Seven inches of snow in Pensacola, florida.
Speaker 3That was cool what.
Speaker 1Snow on the beaches of. Florida. Yeah, what Snow on the beaches of Florida. On the beach yeah what?
Speaker 3Claudia sent me a video of her dog running around in the snow.
Speaker 1Aw, I saw videos of. My wife sent me a reel of dogs, like a compilation of dog videos where they're opening the door for the dog to go outside. There's all these different dogs, different homes, different videos, and the door would be open. The dog's ready to go outside. It's like negative 32.
Speaker 3Nope and like just run back inside.
Speaker 2Just kidding, it was pretty funny.
Speaker 3It'll be all right.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2No, it's been an epic week, so snow in Florida, this just torrential snow coming in many parts of the country Didn't quite make it down to us, but it's cold here. Many parts of the country Didn't quite make it down to us, but it's cold. Here it is chillier than normal. New president has been inaugurated, placed in office and he hit the floor running.
Speaker 1Also a new vice president?
Speaker 2Yes, of course, new vice president comes along with the president, new national champion in football college football. That happened this week, so yeah, there's been a lot of stuff going on this week.
Speaker 1Have you noticed how many players, athletes have been sharing their faith? Yeah, that was a big deal.
Speaker 2It's all over the place, yeah, and Ohio State really had a revival led by many of their players, their quarterback, sharing his faith One of the receivers actively sharing his faith.
Speaker 1They're starting running back Notre Dame Now. We're not Catholic but attending Mass again since 2007,. I think they hadn't had a regular attendance before games. Now they're attending it. The coaches share his faith. The quarterback share his faith.
Speaker 2Yes, quarterback celebrating with Ohio State in the sense that he said, man, those brothers in Christ, I'm glad to see God honoring them in that way, so that's really cool yeah, so this discussion about a revival happening on college campuses it seems visible.
Speaker 1if you watch sports and hear from students, that's incredible.
Speaker 2It seems real.
Speaker 1Yeah, genuine. Well, hey, uh, I got a fact for you, pastor Bob you always do.
Speaker 2I don't a fact I always put in quotes with you.
Speaker 1But did you read these? I did not. You told me not to read the top of the page.
Speaker 2So I I I'm very much a rule follower. I did not read the top of the page.
Speaker 1Do you like?
Speaker 2zoos.
Speaker 1I don't dislike a zoo, it's just kind of like a hot queue waiting for an animal to do something fun. And sometimes they don't do anything fun, Like the monkey areas. Usually they're moving around. It's kind of fun to watch them. Yeah, you just got to duck every now and then. But have you ever went over to like the lion area and they're just? They're either not there or they're sleeping. What do you want them to do? Rah Right, scratch the glass, or something like that Okay, you know yeah.
Speaker 1But you've went into that area and they're just sleeping.
Speaker 2Been around cats much.
Speaker 1And they sleep a lot, a lot, but it just to see it. You know the king of the jungle and they're just snoozing right. Well, a lot of people get pretty upset about that, and it's pretty common to go to a zoo and see that the lion is sleeping, chilling. And it makes sense once you realize that lions can sleep up to 21 hours of a day yeah, like 80 of the the day right 21 hours. Yeah, they're awake for three hours do you have a? Cat darlene has a cat darlene.
Speaker 2Hasene has a cat Darlene has a cat and that cat sleeps constantly. That cat's always asleep.
Speaker 1I just don't like cats at all. We've talked about this.
Speaker 2Yes, because you're afraid if you die it'll eat your face.
Speaker 1Yes, we know, a coroner said so 21 hours of sleep and then they wake up and they want to kill. Cute little cuddly cat no. They want to kill, and then they just go back to sleep and they lay all over your furniture. They lay all over their zoo Cage area.
Speaker 2Why do you do that to that little cat?
Speaker 3What about this one? Oh my god, she's showing us pictures.
Speaker 2With cats and adornments upon them.
Speaker 1And hats. Cats with hats.
Speaker 3Cats with hats, cats with knitted caps they love their hats.
Speaker 1What was on that cap yeah look thrilled.
Speaker 3There's a frog and there's a strawberry.
Speaker 1Did you make these?
Speaker 3No, I did not. You made them. Jayden bought them for my birthday.
Speaker 1Nice Cat hats.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Like were they made for cats.
Speaker 3Yes, specifically for cats. They love them.
Speaker 2I can see by the look on their face that they're thrilled.
Speaker 1We probably have someone here in the office that legitimately could make this, oh, 100%.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, miss Seth could make some hats. She's got some skills For my cat. She would probably enjoy that. She's got some crochet I should show her.
Speaker 1Bring the cat in, show the pictures you've made. Seriously, seriously.
Speaker 2Torture more cats.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Knitting takes crocheting all of that takes a long time.
Speaker 3Yeah, so all of this? Because you told us that a lion can sleep 21 hours. I wonder if miss seth could make a lion a hat.
Speaker 2The question isn't can she make it, can she put it on him? That's the question. If you made it, who puts it on him?
Speaker 1let's think about this so when you sleep a lot, you get groggy, right. You wake up. Sometimes you don't feel refreshed right? If you sleep too much, you oversleep, right?
Speaker 2I don't have that experience in my life very often.
Speaker 1Feeling groggy? Yeah no, oversleeping, yeah well, a lion is like apex predator Everybody's got to run. King of the jungle, does it just get plenty of sleep? So it just springs into action for the three hours to kill, eat and then just sleep another 21 hours, mm-hmm, ah, it's just a weird life.
Speaker 2Exerts a lot of energy in those three hours and then just tuckered out.
Speaker 1Yeah, poor guy just tuckered out. Mm-hmm. I have a question for you. Oh boy, there are a number of nicknames for addressing other friends. Men, men, friends, okay, men, friends Rank. There are a number of nicknames for addressing other friends men, men, friends, okay, men, friends. Rank them by what you believe is most flattering to receive.
Speaker 2So dudes hanging out right.
Speaker 1Dudes just being dudes, okay, chilling hanging with other dudes. Gotcha. Rank these nicknames for addressing friend dudes Ready, champ bro, buddy, boss and dude, what is most flattering for you to receive. So I'll say it what's up champ, what's up bro, what's up buddy, what's up boss, what's up dude. Rank them from most flattering, most flattering in your opinion, to least flatter.
Speaker 2Like this is the coolest to be called all right, um, wow, I'll say I mean champ bro, buddy, boss, dude I'm currently in soccer season where I'm coaching high school kids, and so I hear bro or bruh to you a hundred times a day. Yeah, usually not to me, it's just they start sentences with it.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2You know how everybody used to say low key. Now it's bruh. Bruh, you're killing me.
Speaker 1Yeah, so that one I just want to eliminate from the list so that's number five. That's the worst. That's the worst.
Speaker 2No, I would say boss dude.
Speaker 1Boss is the worst.
Speaker 2No, you told me to go from the top down.
Speaker 1So I'm going from the top. I'm following the instructions that you gave me All right, dude. So boss is first you like boss?
Speaker 3That didn't sound like it was pleasant.
Speaker 1So why boss number one?
Speaker 2Because it's a turn of endearment. Yeah, it's a yeah.
Speaker 3It's like a guy who knows how to make your sandwich. What's up, boss? Yeah, boss, you're a boss.
Speaker 2Yeah, I recognize you.
Speaker 1You got some skills there. Yeah, you're the man.
Speaker 2So, boss, dude, champ to me is on the bottom. Champ to me Really, yeah, champ to me.
Speaker 1See, I think champ is kind of flattering as well.
Speaker 2Yeah, what's up, champ, it can be.
Speaker 1Yeah it. So what's that? What, bro, and what's the other one? Um, I think boss is like looking up to someone. Champ is probably also looking at someone, so long as you say it in the right inflection, bro, is kind of even level. Yeah, yeah, kind of just brother, yeah yeah, uh dude. Dude is probably aligned with bro somewhere on the even level. Buddy, I think. Yeah, buddy is, I just don't remember your name buddy, buddy, that's all that.
Speaker 2I say buddy sometimes, but I think buddy buddy is, I just don't remember your name.
Speaker 1Buddy, buddy, that's all that I say buddy sometimes, but I think buddy could be said in such a way where it's almost like hey, little buddy, yeah. So I just gave my secret away.
Speaker 2If I ever call you buddy, it's just I.
Speaker 1I cannot recall your name at the moment yeah that's what it is but I can't do that anymore.
Speaker 2I can't do that anymore.
Speaker 1I can't do that anymore. Hey, buddy.
Speaker 3But I think you say little buddy.
Speaker 1You don't say little champ or little boss, right, so little buddy can be said in such a way. Or buddy can be said in such a way to kind of look at someone younger or more, maybe even inferior, perhaps. So boss is first For me, yeah, and then boss dude dude not champ.
Speaker 2I say I'm, I, I'm not against champ I just don't look at it the same way you do champ is nice okay, so. So champ to me is somebody.
Speaker 1I'm looking at somebody smaller, younger and saying really, yeah, okay, yeah, all right but that that doesn't mean that you have to look at it that way. Okay. So your boss dude. What's next would that be? Is, bro, the bottom of the list for you Right now? It is just because.
Speaker 2I'm so tired of it. So, boss dude, champ buddy. Buddy's at the bottom of the list, Bro's right ahead of it.
Speaker 1Okay, so boss dude champ, bro buddy, did I say that right? I don't know.
Speaker 2I'm pretty sure I said it, right.
Speaker 1So if I say what's up boss, right. So if I say what's up boss, that's a term of endearment. Sure, all right, that's my new term for you.
Speaker 3I said what's up, pastor dude?
Speaker 2Pastor. Dude, then we're just hanging, mr Shepherd sir.
Speaker 1Yeah, mr Shepherd, sir, depending depending on how you interpret revelation two and three. What's up?
Speaker 2Mr messenger messenger. Why you gotta make everything theological. Ever been called an angel before?
Speaker 1ever been called an angel before.
Speaker 3I'm gonna start calling you guys that please don't.
Speaker 1Oh, man, today we're talking about the ninth commandment. This may be the end of our commandment talk. Commandment conversations. The ninth commandment.
Speaker 3What is the ninth commandment?
Speaker 1well, the ninth commandment. What is the ninth commandment? Well, the ninth commandment, Exodus 20, verse 16, says you shall not bear false witness. There's the phrase bear false witness against your neighbor. Well, who is my neighbor? I think Jesus would answer that being anyone. Basically, so you shall not bear false witness against another person. What does it mean to bear false witness against a person? What is God prohibiting here, and what is he commanding us to by prohibiting it? That's the question for today's conversation. So, Pastor Bob, help us understand. What does it mean to bear false witness? Why should we not do that?
Speaker 2And what is he commanding us to be like?
Speaker 1There's a lot of questions you just asked in there. Yeah, because I think with each command there's a don't do this, so that you are like this Sure, sure, sure sure, of course?
Bearing False Witness and Slander
Speaker 2Yeah, all the commandments are reflection of God's character and what he intends for us to reflect as well. So bearing false witness I think a modern term for that would be slander. We talked about this off air before we came on which is maliciously lying about somebody, lying about someone's character. There's intentionality in it, it's not.
Speaker 2oh, I accidentally told something that wasn't true about somebody, which we should avoid as well. If we're not certain about something, we shouldn't be talking about it, but there's intentionality in slander. It is to mislead in order to cause some form of harm. I want to cause that person harm or I want to gain something by saying something negative about that person.
Speaker 1I just don't like them, and so I want them out of my space. Sure, I want others to look down upon them.
Speaker 2So you're lying about someone else for some form of personal gain, right? So you're spreading falsehoods about someone else just because you want to gain something out of it. Either harm them or to gain something for yourself.
Speaker 1Now, if this is in a courtroom setting which might have been set up for in the Old Testament, there's a number of different commands have happened. There were extra commands in place for bringing an accusation upon someone. In the Old Testament there needed to be two witnesses. Right, there needed to be two people that could say yes, in fact that did happen to prohibit someone bearing false witness, because we are prone to sin and one of those sins would be bearing false witness to bring someone else down, to malign their character because of our frustration to them, want everybody else to look down upon them, to want them imprisoned because we don't want to deal with whatever it might be. So two witnesses.
Speaker 1Also in the Old Testament, set up in the book of Deuteronomy, if I'm not mistaken, was that you would need to be willing to bear the first to take up the stone. So if they're going to be accused of a malicious crime or an evil crime, the witnesses would often be the executioner, they would take up the stones, they'd be the first people to throw the stones and so are you sure you're ready to bring this accusation? That would kind of prohibit the person from just spewing falsehood. And then the third thing set up I think also in the book of Deuteronomy, if I'm not mistaken is that if you were to bring a false accusation and it was to be proven as a false accusation intentionally, then whatever you intended to do to the person that you falsely accused would happen back to you. So this would help prevent spewing out falsehood in the common town square. This is a big deal, real big deal, sure.
Speaker 2And there's still some protections of that in a court case. If you can't go on and, under oath, slander somebody and later be found out that you were lying about it, then there are consequences for that. So the principle remains the same.
Speaker 1So this is a law for God's people. What does he want God's people to be like then?
Speaker 2Well, there's some things he doesn't want, many things that he does. So Exodus 23 actually talks about somebody that bears false witness is doing what the wicked do. So this is something that doesn't show that you are right with God. This is something that the pagan wicked people do. It spreads strife amongst the brethren. So causing others to think wrongly against somebody else causes strife within. It's just flat out lying right. So that goes against the commandments. It goes against what we've taught in Proverbs. It causes harm to others, which is the opposite of what Christ has told us to do with our neighbors. It's actually listed in the six things that God hates. In what is that? Proverbs 14? Where's that listed? But it's Proverbs 6. There's six things that God's hates, and one of them is bearing false witness. So why it's prohibited? Because we are supposed to reflect the character of God, and God cannot lie. He does not lie, he does not bear false witness, and so we're supposed to be reflecting the character of God, which is what the purpose of the commandments is.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2It is to demonstrate to us his character and the expectation of us. So that is what the purpose of the commandments is it is to demonstrate to us his character and the expectation of us, so that we might reflect his character. And so, by bearing false witness, we are going against the character of God, who cannot and will not lie.
Speaker 1We think about the commands given in the New Testament to the church, and consistently, commands are given for us to be for one another, to love one another, to build one another up, to encourage one another, to keep one another steadfast right. And so we weren't created just to benefit ourselves, but to be a benefit to others, to help those that God has put us around. And so if we are, I mean, doing the opposite of that, we are lying for the benefit of ourself at the expense of our brother, and that's really what bearing false witness is right what can I get out of lying and how can I hurt or harm you with this lie?
Speaker 1That's the sort of bearing false witness it is yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I think there's three primary reasons why we're prohibited from it. The first is the character of God and us reflecting it. Second is what you've just mentioned it bearing false witnesses causes damage in our society, not good, and we're here to do good in our society, uh. The third is we're just simply supposed to. We're commanded to love our neighbors, uh, as we love ourselves or as christ loves them. So bearing false witness is not a loving act at all. It's the exact opposite.
Speaker 1So I think, for those three reasons, it's why God prohibits bearing false witness, slandering someone else. Yeah, oh, you think of 1 John, chapter 4. It's 1 John 4, 8 or 9. I can't remember which verse. God is love. He has commanded his people to be a reflection of him, to love one another. What is love? Well, it is displayed in Christ sacrificing oneself for the benefit of others. Right, laying one's life down for the sake of others. What is the opposite of love? It is hatred. It is sacrificing others for the sake of oneself. So what does hatred look like with slander? It's using our mouth to sacrifice others. Mouth hate. Sacrifice others for the benefit of ourselves. Right.
Speaker 1Which is the very opposite of what God has given our mouths for. Right. Our mouths are for lifting up his name and encouraging others right. So it's using our mouth to hate. That's what bearing false witness is right. It's lying, using our mouth to hate, so he wants us to use our mouth to love him love others.
Speaker 1If this isn't the court case setting the verses of Deuteronomy that are brought up before all the ways in which someone who was giving an accusation would be warned, one who received an accusation protected, how are we to think about the world that we live in today, in that sort of world? Back in the day we had a town square, you could have hurled accusations in the town square. Now you almost have a world square online and it seems like there's falsehood everywhere. Right? People are hurling accusations, degrading one another's character without investigation, and while there may not be well, there may not be a trial, there may just be a sort of well this is what I heard about this person and a canceling, so maybe not a courtroom, but a canceling.
Speaker 1How are we to live above that fray? How are we to think about the Ninth Commandment in that sort of atmosphere? Or the town square exists online in the cloud.
Speaker 2Well, be careful what we're posting. Be careful what we're saying. Legally speaking, there's a difference between slander, which is a verbal, and a libel, which is a written. So, legally speaking, um, when you're online, if you're typing it out, it's libel, not slander, but it's the same thing, you're you're bearing false witness. If, if that's what you're doing, is you're you're sharing something about somebody that is unflattering, maybe not even true, and you're trying to benefit from it or harm them. Christians have no business doing that, nor do they have any business sharing it or even entertaining it.
Speaker 1Quite honestly, yeah, my word of caution thinking about this is okay impugning someone's character, their identity, without investigation? And I think there's just a lot of things that are shared without adequate investigation, right? So even investigation is difficult when people are saying things that may or may not be true. Online, it's really hard to know what is true and what is not true, but we should be really careful, as Christians, to share something that would impugn someone's character without really thinking through. Do I know this to be true?
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1Do I know this person and is this consistent with their character? Do I know the source that's actually saying what they're saying about the character in question? So I think Christians really need to be careful about bearing false witness. Now, bearing false witness is intentional, but playing into that when someone was causing it to be intentional by just sharing it without thinking, without investigation there was an investigative process to make sure that an accusation was correct, and there's not an investigative process online. So be really careful adding to the fray the stone, throwing right without great care Investigation. I think that's a big word of warning today.
Speaker 2Oh, absolutely Right. Yeah, you've got to be above that fray.
Speaker 1And I think chapter, the commandment or nine, would caution us to make any accusation, to join in accusations, without thorough thought. Sure.
Speaker 2Yeah, even as you're talking about a public forum like social media, it can also be a private forum, like texting and sharing information, talking about somebody through a text, um, passing that on with, even within a friend group. Just great caution in doing that. Even if you're not the one intentionally starting the um false witness about somebody passing it on, you're doing that with intentionality, you're doing it for some reason. Why are you passing that information on? Why are you sharing that information? What are you gaining from it by doing so? So I think your word of caution is wise. If, before you say things about people, is it true, is it right, is it kind, is it necessary?
Speaker 3You know.
Speaker 2If those things aren't there, then why am I saying it?
Speaker 1Yeah, if I wouldn't say it out loud in the court square, should I be saying it out loud even if I'm typing it in the world square?
Speaker 2Or if I wouldn't sit across the table looking in the eye and talk to you about it. Why am I going to tell everybody else about it? Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1That's good, all right. Any more thoughts on this? I think this particular commandment is applicable today in ways we would not have immediately taken it to be, and that goes for any of the Ten Commandments. Jesus tells us that these commandments, first, are matters of the heart. Right that to not commit adultery is to not think about, to not lust after someone, to not murder is to not hate, right, I mean, what is murder other than wanting to—what is hatred other than wanting to murder someone in your heart, right? So with the Knight Commandment, be very careful about joining in falsehood and puning someone's character with that investigation, that thorough investigation. Be nice, be nice, just be kind.
Speaker 2Be better, be Christ-like. That's a better way of saying it All right.
Speaker 1Well, be Christ-like, that's a better way of saying it. All right, well, I want to end here. We talked about ways to address bros. What are some ways ladies address one another? What's up, sis, girl, girl.
Speaker 3Hey girl, girlfriend, girlfriend.
Speaker 1Girlfriend.
Speaker 3If guys say girlfriend, they mean something different than girls say girlfriend. Girls say girly, girly.
Speaker 1I don't know if I really like that, okay, well, let's write them down. This is how we're going to end. All right, we're 24 minutes in. We already finished our topic, so here we go. Girly is one Girly.
Speaker 3I-E or Y I-E.
Speaker 2Okay, don't look at, I don't have a clue.
Speaker 1Exciting radio I don't know. Girly girlfriend.
Speaker 3Girly girlfriend, girlfriend's not as popular anymore. Okay.
Speaker 1Well, still got to put it on the list because we only got two. Do girls call?
Speaker 3each other, bro. Yeah, they do. Okay, we'll put it on there and dude, dude.
Speaker 2I've heard them do that.
Speaker 1Slang terms for.
Speaker 3Cutie Boo that Slang terms for cutie boo love.
Speaker 1Okay, I can see love Boo is weird. All right, we'll just go with this. We'll go bro slash dude is one, and then we'll go cutie, love, girlfriend and girly. Rank them what's one that you're okay with being called and what's the other ones that are just bleh. There's the paper.
Speaker 3Girly girlfriend, bro bro dude, cutie love. Yeah, talk on the mic sorry what's one that you're like, don't that just girly, depending on how people use it is just.
Speaker 1I have heard someone say I think jokingly girly, girly girly pop.
Speaker 3I think that was you.
Speaker 1Just fine, I think I think I've heard you say that to be a joke, all right. So, so what's the best? What's the worst?
Speaker 3We'll just go there, I think I like, I like, that's just weird.
Speaker 2The inflection on girl matters, the inflection on most of these does matter too.
Speaker 1Hey, hey buddy, I like you Dude, dude.
Speaker 3I'm a.
Speaker 1Girlfriend, I don't know. Come on, pick one best one.
Speaker 3I like bro dude, because I feel like that.
Gendered Language and Slang
Speaker 1That means you're probably close with the person. What's one that could be almost kind of condescending.
Speaker 3Girly.
Speaker 1Why.
Speaker 3It just is. I don't know why.
Speaker 1Does it mean you don't know their name?
Speaker 3no, it doesn't mean another name, but it low-key kind of oh wow, there's me using the low-key, low-key cap but it's kind of like the buddy one, you know. It's like hey, girly, I have to tell you that, or whatever slanderous, insert slanderous things here, not always when I hear girly, I'm gonna say ninth commandment. I know a lot of girls who use that in a way.
Speaker 1That's not that way, but okay, I also avoid girls that use the word girly girls on here. If you want to have a successful life, don't word girly.
Speaker 3Girls on here, if you want to have a successful life, don't say, girly, there you have it, that's it. Good job, champ.
Speaker 1We made it under 30 minutes. I like Champ Champ's number two on the list.
Speaker 3Just say it in a positive way with a smile on your face. Pastor Dude and Pastor Champ, you're the boss.
Speaker 1That is number one. That's definitely number one. Boss is number one.
Speaker 3Boss is number one, then Darren's pastor boss.
Speaker 1No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding Boss, pastor, boss, man boss, Pastor, boss, dude Shepherd boss.
Speaker 3Pastor dude pastor champ.
Speaker 1Shepherd six boss man. All right, hey, thanks for listening in. It's been a good time. We've had fun. We're under 30 minutes.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2Later dudes.
Speaker 1Later skater. You thought about that for too long.
Speaker 2Oh, bye. Have a great time there we go.
