Unsexy Church
Unsexy Church
Season 2 Episode 50: On The Resurrection of Christ and His People
In this week's episode, Pastor Bob and Pastor Trent explore the promise of resurrection as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15, and the hope for new, glorified bodies for believers. We discuss the implications of Christ's resurrection on our future, delving into what eternal existence may look like.
hey, we're back in the studio, it's podcast time and bob's laughing. What's up? I was head bobbing to the music. You have your cambridge shirt on today. What does that mean? Uh, we have a game tonight. Is it a district district?
Speaker 2:final tonight, final, so there's multiple districts games right? Yes, I don't understand your question.
Speaker 1:In districts, do you have? Is it a tournament? Yes, has it worked? Has it worked? So you've already been in districts. This is the last game of districts to see whether or not you're like number one in the district. Correct, something.
Speaker 2:Something like that. Yes, yes, it's an end-of-the-year tournament of the teams that are in our district. If you win tonight, what does that mean? Then we will definitely go on to a regional game. Even if we don't win tonight, we'll probably go on to a regional game, but we'll definitely go on. If we win tonight, it'll be the first district championship in school history, so that's pretty cool for our guys, really. Yeah, we've been to the district championship game many times before. This will be the first time that we will win it.
Speaker 1:You say in school history for any sport.
Speaker 2:No, no, no For soccer, for soccer, Men's soccer. Okay.
Speaker 1:Now districts includes many games, Two, three.
Speaker 2:No, it's weird how they do it. So we have a district, we have teams that are in our district, but we don't have to play them all year.
Speaker 1:It's weird. Okay, what about regionals Multiple?
Speaker 2:games. Regionals is once. From this point on, it's one and done. You either win or you're out.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, but if you keep winning, how long has regionals last?
Speaker 2:Uh, you have four games left to get to them. Okay, four games left to get to them Okay?
Speaker 1:The reason I ask is I ran cross and they can put every team in one race. And so regionals is one race. Sectionals one race. Districts one race. I didn't know how soccer worked. It spread out then.
Speaker 2:They've changed it over the years. There used to be go from regionals to sectionals, to Final Four. Now it's just a regional tournament and then the winners of those regional tournaments get into the final four gotcha gotcha. Now you've made it into regionals. Oh yeah, we've made it to regionals last several past regionals. Uh, we've made it into regional semis in the past, okay so okay, better team this year than in that. We have a good team this year yeah, we have some talent this year, so exciting. We have an opportunity boys do hey, cheese fromRoll.
Speaker 2:One person in the room cares, hold on. That turned up.
Speaker 1:In the C-Roll.
Speaker 3:That's so cool.
Speaker 1:Which one is it?
Speaker 2:It's never, happened before. Find the one that sounded like nighttime sleeping.
Speaker 1:I don't know, how this works. Which is the one that's oh, the crickets, the crickets. Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3:I think about it Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what? Everybody hates you when you're on top. Patty Mahomes is on top. Yeah, come on. Come on, he's in his Michael Jordan era. He's doing a great job. Boring Three-peat. I'm not an.
Speaker 2:NFL guy anyway yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, have you been watching college basketball?
Speaker 2:No, never watched college basketball.
Speaker 1:I don't watch any basketball.
Speaker 2:I'll watch March Madness maybe, but don't tell Teddy, I'm just not a big basketball guy, neither am I. I'm telling Teddy, don't tell Teddy.
Speaker 1:Tennessee was ranked number one and now they're definitely not. They lost to Vandy. They lost to Kentucky Tuesday night. They lost to someone else recently, so I to someone else recently. I don't watch enough basketball. I just hear these things. I see the scores on my phone. You watch golf?
Speaker 2:Sometimes I don't go out of my way to watch a whole tournament or anything, but sometimes I will.
Speaker 3:That's got to be boring, I'm telling all your friends that you hate their sports.
Speaker 1:Does anyone like watching?
Speaker 2:golf Millions of people like watching it.
Speaker 1:Have you seen the new golf simulation game that?
Speaker 2:they've got going on the TGL. I think it is Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy. Put it together.
Speaker 1:No, but I remember we played at a Tiger Woods place, yeah no, nothing like that, and I won.
Speaker 3:Did I win? I won right, I did win. Oh, Mr Golf.
Speaker 1:Guy. All right, no, I have not seen this Roy McIlroy Tiger Woods thing. What is it?
Speaker 2:They play indoors. It's like simulated golf. It's weird.
Speaker 1:So it's like a screen and you hit it against the screen and it kind of shows you yes, so you can. This is like a top golf sort of thing.
Speaker 2:you bring your friends, but then they have an indoor green that's elevated and you can chip onto it and you can putt on it and it's it's. It's an interesting concept.
Speaker 1:I don't particularly like it yet, but it's interesting tiger woods has to be making so much money, oh gosh, I mean obviously for being like the best golfer ever. But on top of that, you know he's had the video game named After Him Forever. And then he's also got that whatever putt-putt that Trent's really good at. And then the thing with Rory McIlroy, which is a whole other system. I mean just income, income, income. That's wild Yep Pays. You know, especially people that are good from the NFL, like Patrick Mahomes it pays, it pays. And being winning seven AFC championships, I think, being in five Superbowls and about to win three in a row, Is that the fact of the day?
Speaker 1:Nope Fact of the day. Uh, did you know, pastor Bob? Thank you, karen. Did you know this? This is uh from Calvin.
Speaker 2:Did you? You know this. This is, uh, from calvin. Did you know? Um wait, so calvin johnson. Calvin johnson has contributed to our podcast. He's contributed to our podcast.
Speaker 1:This scares me multiple levels, as it should. But uh, he, I was looking for a fact of the day. He knew I was looking for a fact of the day and so he said did you know this trend? So I'm gonna say did you know this, bob? So dollar bills have a serial number all on them, 10, 11 digits, identifying what bill is. What Did you know? If there is a star, a small green star, following the green serial number, it means that that bill is a replacement bill for one that has been damaged.
Speaker 3:Did you know that? No, I did not know that I don't know if anybody has any bills on them.
Speaker 2:Calvin Johnson is your source for this.
Speaker 1:I went and looked up to double check.
Speaker 2:Okay, it is correct, it is correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if I have a source on it, but let me see here I'll look it up. Dollar bill star meaning. Here it is. A star appears on some notes in place of the last letter. When an imperfect sheet or dollar bill is detected during the manufacturing process after the serial number has serial number has been overprinted, it must be replaced with a new sheet.
Speaker 2:a star sheet is used to replace the imperfect sheet so these aren't bills that were in circulation, that got damaged, that are now being replaced. It's damaged during printing process, I guess, so that's what you just read.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what you just read. Yeah, that's what I just read, but I thought I read when a printing error occurs. Yeah, okay, so Calvin wasn't maybe totally correct. Yep, there you go. It's a printing error. So look here. Here's a picture of the star. It's an itty bitty little green star.
Speaker 3:I'll show you, see it oh, that star is so cute on the left side of the bill.
Speaker 1:I see it pretty well it would be impractical to try to replace every damaged dollar bill that was in circulation yeah, well, I don't know if my thought was when calvin said that was, I mean significantly damaged and somehow it. You know, maybe a place reports it or something like that. Is this true for?
Speaker 2:all bill denominations or is it just for the single dollar bill? I don't have all the answers, pastor Bob.
Speaker 1:You brought the question up. You're the one that looks like for any.
Speaker 2:I would assume it would be for.
Speaker 1:But it looks like for any. Yeah, do you have any two dollar bills? I do actually. Yeah, do you have any $2 bills? I do actually. Yeah, we do too. Yeah, do you have any $2 bills?
Speaker 3:I think I have two $2 bills. Yeah, do you?
Speaker 1:have any $2 bills.
Speaker 2:Grandparent that liked to give you $2 bills.
Speaker 1:I had a grandparent actually that used to send me McDonald's coupons, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:In the mail. In the mail.
Speaker 1:My grandma, who's since passed away, just loved to send random coupons that she would find in newspapers. Very thoughtful, it was very sweet. As a little kid I was like, yeah, exactly, they used to have McDonald's bucks. Remember that A buck would get you a snow cone, a kid's cone or something like that. I do remember that Very sweet. I have a question for you.
Speaker 2:Oh good.
Speaker 1:I'm going to test your knowledge of caffeine. Oh boy, the thing that you cannot have.
Speaker 2:This is just cruel and unusual punishment. Well, why would you ask me about something that I cannot partake in any?
Speaker 1:longer Cruel, unusual and fun. Here we go. You're sadistic. I am going to switch some wording here. I want you to rank these tea and coffee drinks that I'm going to list by caffeine density, from lowest to highest.
Speaker 2:Caffeine density, caffeine amount. I understand the word Yep. You've repeated it, so I'm double checking. I'm just verifying what I'm being asked.
Speaker 1:From lowest to highest.
Speaker 2:That changes sometimes. The tension today, gentlemen, is crazy. I haven't been allowed to have caffeine.
Speaker 1:So the amount of caffeine in one serving, that's important One serving. So from lowest to highest, like an eight ounce 12 ounce. So think of one cup of coffee versus one shot of espresso versus one cup of cold brew, sure sure, one general serving. Okay, first one cup of cold brew, sure sure, one general serving.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:So here is the list. There are three teas and the rest are coffee.
Speaker 2:And we're going least dense to most dense. Least to most, that's important Least to most Least to most. Okay, matcha have you ever had matcha? No, it's nasty. It looks awful. My sister loves that stuff.
Speaker 1:It looks like ground grass.
Speaker 3:Not all matcha is created equal. Hey, come on now.
Speaker 1:Come on now. Your shirt is the color of matcha.
Speaker 3:No, it's lighter than this. You are a matcha lady.
Speaker 1:This is a dark green. Well, the mixture of these kind of colors, all right. Matcha, nitro, cold brew, cold brew. So those are two different ones Hot coffee, black tea, your regular tea, espresso or green tea. Rank them from lowest amount of caffeine to highest amount of caffeine and, as you do that, I'm going to look at my list to make sure that I am at. I've got it on the top of my head, but I want to make sure.
Speaker 2:Once again he's checking his sources. Double check he never reveals. I've got it on the top of my head. But I want to make sure. Once again he's checking his sources. Double check he never reveals. I've got the answers. Randomly picks Okay, lowest to highest green tea at the bottom, black tea next. Okay, espresso after that.
Speaker 1:Don't look it up, kara, I'm going to ask you too.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, I'm just making my list um, I would say matcha, cold brew hot coffee. Well, you're okay, cold brew hot coffee, got it. Nitro has to be at the top, just by name alone. Nitro, nice, just, you're not kind of nitro if it just put you to sleep okay, so did I get all of them.
Speaker 1:You're close. You did list all of them, so let's go ahead and have Kara guess.
Speaker 2:You just told her I was close. You just gave her a clue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you still had to switch somewhere around. Okay, kara, you go.
Speaker 3:From the bottom to the top Bottom to top Least to the most. I think that green tea has the least amount. Okay, then black tea, okay.
Speaker 1:You're not looking this up, correct? No, I just typed it in my notes, okay.
Speaker 3:Then matcha Okay, matcha. Okay. Then black coffee okay. Then cold brew, then nitro cold brew and I think espresso's at the top, thinking about me, maybe not kara only has one in the wrong place.
Speaker 2:It it's significantly in the wrong place. It's like the price is right.
Speaker 1:Does she get to go back and move it when Kara? Yes, Kara has one that is significantly in the wrong place. The rest, if she moves it to the right place.
Speaker 3:I think I know which one is wrong for her. I have one that's significantly in the wrong place.
Speaker 1:Correct 100%. What so, Bob? You have about four that just right next to each other that just kind of need to be flip-flopped a little bit. I don't even remember my word, so it's like two that needs to be flipped and another two that needs to be flipped, okay, okay, so again, it's. Bob said green tea, black tea, espresso, matcha cold brew, hot coffee and nitro. Kara said green tea, black tea, matcha, black coffee, cold brew, nitro cold brew and espresso.
Speaker 3:Nobody remembers what we just said, what did Pastor Bob say?
Speaker 1:Huh, I have to really re-say that again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, is that okay.
Speaker 1:I guess Bob said green tea, black tea, so you guys agree there. And then he went espresso, matcha, cold brew, hot coffee, nitro. You guys are both really close there's just a few of you.
Speaker 2:That's moving around, so are we both really close? So I'm going to flip matcha and espresso for me, is that right?
Speaker 1:That is a correct switch. Okay, and there's two others you need to switch.
Speaker 2:Cold brew and hot coffee.
Speaker 1:If you switch cold brew and hot coffee, you have got it perfect what You've got it.
Speaker 2:So, kara, you were right. Just because I can't drink, it doesn't mean I don't know what, I don't mean about it.
Speaker 1:You were right, Kara. Except for espresso, you made it the most strong, strongest. So I'm just wrong about that Espresso actually has less caffeine almost by half of black coffee. That's crazy. A shot of espresso has 70 milligrams of caffeine. A cup of hot coffee has 140 milligrams. So, where does espresso go? So everybody thinks espresso is like super duper strong, and it's strong because it's dense.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of it. Yeah, caffeine in a small amount concentrated.
Speaker 1:So another thing too if you want to keep caffeine in a drink, you you let the water that you're using sitting in the coffee beans. You leave it there longer. So cold brew has to sit with the coffee longer and actually absorbs more caffeine. Facts yeah, so the hotter and the quicker, the less caffeine.
Speaker 3:So where did espresso belong? Was it between black coffee and matcha?
Speaker 1:So espresso is the least of all coffees.
Speaker 3:The least of all coffees, so it's green, then black, then matcha. Okay.
Speaker 1:Got it. Then espresso, then black coffee cold brew and then nitro cold brew.
Speaker 2:So the colder you get it sits, the more caffeine you're gonna have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, interesting. There you go. We learned something. Welcome to the sports and caffeine podcast. I had a drip coffee today. I was gonna do a pour over at the coffee shop I met with the guys at, but, honestly, the drip coffee at foxtail is great. It's great. It tasted, I mean, pretty much like a pour over. It was great quality. It's really good. Actually felt like they had.
Speaker 2:Have you ever been to a coffee shop with Trent? Have you had this experience in your life? I think.
Speaker 1:I feel like I have See you act like I'm like really meticulous with coffee. There are people so much more meticulous than me.
Speaker 3:I do enjoy pour overs as well, I gotta say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so here's why I'll explain. Did you say paw?
Speaker 2:The differentiation between going with Darren and going with Trent is just night and day.
Speaker 1:No, you say that.
Speaker 2:Give me plain black coffee, darren just likes the sound.
Speaker 3:That's it. Just give me a plain black cup of coffee. Where is this one from? Is it from Ethiopia, exactly?
Speaker 2:He smells the snifter or whatever it's called. That's a mixer, that's like a Swiffer.
Speaker 3:It's a mixer. That's like a Swiffer. It's a cleaning utensil.
Speaker 1:So here's the deal. Here's the deal. So if you get Folgers coffee, okay, or Maxwell house which I'm not dogging, we have that at the house, right? If you get that, what's typically happening is they've got large farms in other parts of the country. They're mixed together in different sources. Large farms in other parts of the country they're mixed together in different sources, right, so you don't have just from one place. Also, they harvest the beans, which are technically a fruit. They harvest them too early so they overburn them to make them taste like coffee. Legitimately, I mean, we have a big source. You just do what you can. A lot of the local coffee shops actually know an area where they're getting it from and they're actually watching the process happen. So you're not getting it, you know, before it's ripe. So that's cool.
Speaker 3:I learned a life hack, that's why it tastes better at aldi they have for for five dollars, like five something, they have a whole bag of whole bean. What is it? What is it called fair trade? Okay, and like directly sourced coffee for only $5.
Speaker 1:It does, it genuinely does taste different, like you significantly can taste the difference, and if you get pour over, what's unique about pour over is not only it's less bitter, but it has just been ground and so usually it's more like full.
Speaker 2:The last few times we've gone to a coffee shop together, Darren and I have ordered our drinks, had our drinks, drank our drinks before he actually gets his drink.
Speaker 1:The last time we went to a coffee shop, Darren got what I got.
Speaker 2:We have finished drinking before he even gets his order because it takes so stinking long to get it. This is called pastoral exaggeration, is it? Is it?
Speaker 1:That's called pastoral exaggeration. Darren will order.
Speaker 2:I'll get something.
Speaker 1:Darren will try it and be like man. That was pretty good. It's almost like I know what I'm talking about. Okay, hey, here's what I want to talk about today, and this can be a more brief conversation than it probably sounds as it's going to be. I want us to look at 1 Corinthians 15. Now there are 58 verses, I think, in the chapter. I don't have it in front of me, but I did teach on it last night. There's a lot that he covers, but he has one point and the point is let's get to it.
Speaker 1:There's a number of issues in Corinthians. The point of the matter in chapter 15 is the Corinthian church had believed that Christ rose from the dead. They had no trouble believing that by the power of the Holy Spirit. They were convinced of the good news of the gospel of Christ. Jesus died, was resurrected, raised on high, the right hand of the Father. But they were really struggling to understand. How are we going to be raised or resurrected? Is there life after death? What does that look like? I've seen, you know, funerals, and a family member's body goes into the ground. Dirt is covering a casket. How are they going to come up from the ground? How's this all going to work and Paul actually in that text calls them fools. So here's what I just want to talk about. What does 1 Corinthians 15 teach us about the future? What does it teach us about the resurrection? And then, how does that give us hope for life in the future today?
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it covers a lot and it's a key passage. It is foundational to our Christian faith.
Speaker 1:So, Pastor, Bob, someone, according to 1 Corinthians, chapter 15, how are we to understand what we're looking forward to as believers? Christ has resurrected. And then 1 Corinthians 15, I think verse 20 says since he has been raised, we will also be raised. If in Adam all die, those in Christ will live again, be raised as Christ was raised Right and it's referred to as the first fruits of the resurrection.
Speaker 2:Christ is the first fruits, right, implying that he's the first but not the last. There'll be more to come, right.
Speaker 1:So, then, is Christianity is not just the message of hope for a pardon from our sin that we will not bear the punishment of our sin because Christ did in our place but also the story of God redeeming all the earth and resurrecting people in the pattern of Jesus. So what we have to look forward to is not only the fact that we'll be saved from wrath, but also we'll be given a new life and a new body fit for eternity, with God Sure.
Speaker 2:So when Christ redeems us, he redeems the whole man, not just our soul, he redeems our body as well. So, just as Christ was resurrected bodily from the grave, he will resurrect Honestly. He'll resurrect all people from the grave, and our soul and our body will be reunited in a different, glorified state. Now there'll be those that aren't believers who will also be resurrected, but they'll be resurrected to face judgment and then spend eternity separated from God, whereas believers will be resurrected, our bodies will be resurrected, be reunited with our soul or spirit, be glorified, and then we'll live with Christ in our glorified state.
Speaker 1:One of Paul's arguments is that they're saying this human body is going to be in the new heavens and new earth, and Paul's argument is no, you're going to be given a brand new, imperishable body. The perishable body that you now inhabit, that is you. It will die, but what goes into the ground is not what's going to come up, and so God has a body for you, fit for heaven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So the seed goes into the ground, but it comes out different. The body goes into the ground perishable, but it comes out imperishable, so it's a different.
Speaker 1:One of the words in the Greek means beautiful, so it comes out more, even more beautiful somehow. Yeah, so you think of like um. You know the illustration he uses, like you just said, is like a seed going in. But I've never went to my house on my wife and I's anniversary, knocked on the door, like I don't need to knock on the door, and just held up my hand and said here's seeds. You know cause seeds are ugly, they're not what's to come out of the ground. But I have said here's flowers. Right, flowers are beautiful. So somehow, some way, god and Paul says it, it's called a mystery in verse 51. God is going to make you new when he returns and I think it's important.
Speaker 2:So when is this?
Speaker 1:all going to happen the return of Jesus correct, right, right.
Speaker 2:So their confusion in Corinthians wasn't necessarily over Christ's resurrection, it was over the resurrection of us, of people. And had they missed that? When does that happen? What does that look like? Is it spiritual, is it physical? And he said some of you are even denying that it even happens. And if you deny the resurrection, then you just deny the resurrection of Christ. If you deny the resurrection of Christ, then we're wasting our time, right. If you deny the resurrection of Christ, then we're wasting our time, right? The resurrection of Christ is pivotal to our salvation, but it points to the fact that we can be raised. That's right. So, yeah, it happens at his return, and you can get into the semantics of all that and the timeline of all that, but at the end of the day, it happens when Christ returns.
Speaker 1:Which I do want to talk about a little bit of that. That was covered in 1 Corinthians 15. There could be differences of timeline and stuff like that. But there's one thing I want to point out. But you did say something there I think is really important the resurrection of Christ may serve more than these two purposes, but there are two purposes. Number one it shows that the price Jesus paid upon the cross, that he wrote in a check, cleared when he resurrected. He was who he says he was. He did what he said he did. He is the Christ, the sacrifice was acceptable to God.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So when he resurrected, that's the first thing Check cleared. The second thing is he was, as it says, the first fruits of the resurrection. So he set the pattern by which we will be resurrected. If he had not resurrected, we will not be resurrected. He had resurrected, we will resurrect. So if you're struggling with whether or not humans can be resurrected, look at Jesus. It had already happened. Right? You're exactly right. Tells the Corinthians. Why are you struggling with this? You believe Jesus resurrected. You don't think God can do that again? Maybe you think of it this way the same God who built you out of the dust will have no problem bringing you back out of it, right.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's why Paul's like you fools you foolish ones. Why are you struggling with this? Yeah, yeah, now I said I want to bring up timing just for a minute here, because implied in the text is when Christ returns, we get resurrected bodies, right, okay, but we also believe that believers who have died in Christ are in the presence of Christ.
Speaker 1:So, you used a phrase earlier and I want to kind of go back to it. You said that our soul and our body will—so help me understand that we're believers now, and resurrection is when this happens, so is there still a waiting period for some.
Speaker 2:So for believers now, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So we are spiritually in his presence at the moment that we take our last breath and we close our eyes when this body dies. We're in his presence. Don't know exactly what that looks like. Is it just completely spiritual? Is it some kind of intermediate body? Don't know. I don't know anyway, but there is a time when Christ returns, when those who are dead in Christ who are either buried, they're in the sea.
Speaker 2:they've been cremated. Whatever it is, their ashes come back together and it's reunited with, with their spirit in the sky, this new body, this new body, and we become like Christ when we see him as he is, we will become as he is. So there is that. Then, those who are still alive, even if those they haven't died, that mortal body will be taken over by this glorified body.
Speaker 1:So, in short, even those who've died and gone to be with Christ presently now at rest, revelation 6, to be, as with their bodies, present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians, christ says. Paul says in the book of Philippians to live is Christ, to die as gain. I'll be with him Um. Jesus says to the thief on the cross today you'll be with me in paradise.
Speaker 1:So there's no question, those who've died believers are in the presence of Christ, whatever that looks like, but that does not mean that they are in their final state, correct. There is something those who have died in Christ and those who are alive in Christ are still waiting on, and that is the return of Christ, where we all will receive these new, resurrected bodies, fit for a new place. So in the timeline of God, there's still something great coming, still something great coming right, and that includes a new body and a new place, which 1 Corinthians doesn't really talk about the place so much. That's in Revelation 21 and 22,. Isaiah 65. But our new body is for that new place.
Speaker 2:Correct, yeah, correct. And then there'll be another resurrection that happens after when Christ raises the dead who have not trusted in him, to face judgment, and that I believe that take place at a separate time.
Speaker 1:Just to clarify, though, that's not another resurrection of those who've already been resurrected.
Speaker 2:No, that's a resurrection of the dead who have rejected God. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So these new bodies that we will get, we don't know what they look like.
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:My wife says I'm going to look better.
Speaker 2:My wife says that they're all young and skinny that's what she says the glorified bodies are young and skinny. So is there an age you think you know the best? There's, there's different schools of thought on this, of course. There, there's the school of thought that says that, um, we all come back at this, whatever the prime age is for humanity, so somewhere around the age of 30, which I hesitate to say, cause you're right there Um, I do look.
Speaker 1:I mean I looked at myself in the mirror this morning.
Speaker 3:I thought prime age Wow Um.
Speaker 2:I did not do that.
Speaker 1:So, not, so, not prime.
Speaker 2:Um, so there, there's a school of thought that says that when we are given these, uh, glorified bodies, that it will be at whatever this perfect age is a state of. Some people believe that, that you just get a glorified body at whatever age you are when you passed away. Um, which is interesting. Um, so I don't know the answer to the question.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, I know that the best window to look at this through is the resurrected body of Christ. Um, that gives us a clue about what ours well, of course, that's what he he was right when he passed as well. But um, so their bodies that aren't bound by the same things that our earthly bodies are bound by? Um he, but there's continuity too.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We're recognizable. Jesus was recognizable. Um will be recognizable. He ate, he still could hug and talk and communicate Um, but he also could pass through doors without you know opening them. So so will we be able to do that, maybe so Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Our, our glorified bodies won't allow us to be, uh, omnipotent. We won't know everything. We'll still learn things throughout, throughout, uh, eternity. Uh, we won't be omnipresent. While we may be able to not be bound by time and space, we won't be able to be in molt everywhere all the time.
Speaker 2:Um, and we won't be onipotent we won't have all the power, but our bodies will definitely be different than than they are now. They won't hurt to wake up. They won't hurt no more sin, no more pain, no more sinus infection nor the things that cause all of those things, correct?
Speaker 1:yeah, um, yeah, I had another question, I can't remember what it was. So one thing that is a little bit different in the New Heavens and New Earth than in, maybe, the history of the Old Testament and the New Testament is God veils himself to his creation for their safety. Throughout the Old Testament, seraphim's covering him, there's theophanies and visions, but there's not beholding the Lord in his fullness. Because how can one do such a thing? And I think that's one way in which our bodies will be uniquely capable of being in the presence of God, because that's the whole point of Revelation 21 and 22. There's no light, because his presence is the light. The dwelling place of God will be with man.
Speaker 1:We will behold his glory and not die from it, which is pretty cool. The unique thing about the new heavens and earth maybe people use Eden as an example. Well, in Eden there was the serpent still there In Revelation 20,. Serpent's gone, he's done with. In Eden there was the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In the dunes north there's no tree in the knowledge of good and evil.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we have access to the tree of life again, which?
Speaker 1:means you probably can eat, yeah, yeah, yeah, will we be naked?
Speaker 2:it's a weird question in eden they were, but when we see other instances of elders and glorified beings, they're robed in white or they have robes on, so I'm going to say probably no. I think there's some kind of robe of righteousness or something that we'll wear, but I don't know exactly what that'll be.
Speaker 1:Someone told us how to turn off the podcast right when I said that in their car. Okay, yeah, I'm trying to think of anything else. Cs Lewis in his book the Great Divorce he tried very poetically, he tried to describe what it's like and if I'm not mistaken he talks about grass feels so much stronger and you feel a lot more. It's almost like you feel like you've never felt before. Everything is more real, right? So a lot of times when we think of heaven and sometimes we say that word synonymous with intermediate state and the new heavens, new earth, but the new heavens, new earth, um, we think of being like ethereal floating beings. But no, we'll have physical bodies that will actually feel, taste, touch. Here Our senses will be, if anything we can maybe guess, heightened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, definitely heightened, I think, and more aware of our surroundings.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Our perfect surroundings.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anything else about our new bodies? I just don't think we. I'll say this I don't think we talk about this. I mean just as Christians, enough how great this future is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think when most people think about heaven, they don't think about a new heaven and a new earth. They think about clouds and pearly gates and people like you say floating on clouds, playing harps all the time. But there's a physical reality to the new heaven. God is going to redeem his earth, god is going to redeem his heavens and he'll redeem our bodies and place them in them, as he created them to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the two significant things we need to continually point out to people of what our hope is in the new heavens. New earth is no sin and everything in a sinful body. It's real and then in the presence of God. Yeah Right, so a remade earth with remade bodies and real presence of God. Yeah, yeah, okay, exciting, I think. Every time we mentioned resurrection, we think about Jesus's resurrection. But because Jesus resurrected, we will also resurrect, will I?
Speaker 2:be able to drink caffeine then.
Speaker 1:You know, caffeine is from the Lord. I do believe. I believe and when he returns, uh, your heart won't have the fluttering it has, and so I think you'll be able to drink some caffeine, whether it's espresso, nitro cold brew or matcha.
Speaker 2:I will not be in order. I won't go to the coffee bar in heaven going. Can I have a pour over please? It will all be pour overs.
Speaker 3:That's good, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1:You know, everything that could make the coffee bean just a little bit rougher won't be there, and so the coffee beans will just be looking forward to it Awesome, hey. Well, thanks for listening in. Hopefully this was helpful and makes you begin to think about the things to come. See you later. Our button's not working.
Speaker 2:Bye, have a great time.
Speaker 1:There we go, see you later.
