Unsexy Church
Unsexy Church
Season 2 Episode 52: On Making Decisions
Whether you’re considering a move, a job change, or even marriage, there are ways to approach your choices prayerfully and thoughtfully. Pastor Trent and Pastor Bob have processes which they use and they share this with us during this episode of Unsexy Church. Tune in this week to find out more about how to honor the Lord in your decision-making!
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Speaker 3:I did yeah. Sharing that with everybody, it was interesting.
Speaker 2:Your face does kind of look weird. It's like kind of.
Speaker 3:Thank you, thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2:You did get it numb.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You said you were spitting water. Was it just kind of like falling out of your mouth when you were drinking something?
Speaker 3:I think I was trying to drink it so it just went, just couldn't feel it, and then have you got the feeling back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now I have.
Speaker 3:Oh good, yes, good, good good.
Speaker 2:So since I've been here in Tampa last eight years, so I've had glasses or contacts since I was like in fourth grade, you know, I've been going to the dentist, especially as a kid, very consistently. But it wasn't until I moved to Tampa where those two visits included additional things. So when I had an eye appointment in Tampa the first six months of me being here, I had an eye appointment to get some updated glasses and they did the dilation and I had never had that done before. What I'm serious, I never had my eyes dilated ever. I had had the thing where, like they, they push the air in your eye, check the eye pressure Not a fan of that, Not a fan of that. And they all have the same picture. Have you had your eyes, of course, pressurized? Yeah, of course. Yeah, have you?
Speaker 3:I haven't. My eyes are perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you spit out water today, I wouldn't talk, so it's always a hot air balloon.
Speaker 1:Yes, at a distance yeah.
Speaker 2:Isn't not a weird thing?
Speaker 2:every place is a hot air balloon, probably like one company making all these things, so story yeah, but I got my eyes dilated and then I immediately, like I was in target optical, came out of target, was going to pick up some things, for my wife had no idea my eyes were dilated and didn't know you couldn't drive after that or it wasn't recommended. I'm walking around and someone comes up to me and was like hey, trent, and I'm thinking, okay, let me do some explaining here. I think this happens on a certain under the influence of a certain drug, but I can't see you and I didn't know their names yet. Um, it was actually, uh, suzanne Suarez and Megan Cates. And so, like I immediately said, hey, I've never had my eyes dilated. They're dilated right now, but it's because I walked out of that building. Sure, not the green alien placed selling things next door Target Optical.
Speaker 1:They bought it. They did buy it. I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 2:They bought it because it's true, then I also had never had a cavity and I got a cavity, since I've been here and had it numbed. That's a weird feeling too.
Speaker 3:It's weird.
Speaker 2:Well, hey, I'm just so glad we're back together.
Speaker 1:That all started just simply because I said that Kara went to the dentist today. Sorry about that. It's good to be back. Why did we miss last week? What was up?
Speaker 2:What was up last week. A lot of things have happened in the last few weeks. I was out of town Wednesday.
Speaker 1:You have new responsibilities that kept you away Thursday.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yep, yep, yep, we're both out Friday. Friday's me off, so you lost the soccer game we did Sorry.
Speaker 1:We did, but that's okay. Kids played hard. Yeah, that was in regionals, regional final, regional final so you made it far. We did. I'm proud of the boys. You made it to regionals the year before. Is that correct? We've made it to regionals. We've never made it to a final before.
Speaker 2:That's as far as we've made, speaking of final B4, final four, march Madness has it started? It's about to. It's almost March, it's getting ready for conference tournaments. I think Tennessee's in top 10, but they were one, they're not anymore.
Speaker 1:Is.
Speaker 2:Auburn still number one.
Speaker 1:I think so, but I really have not been following it. It's hard for me to tell you Is this basketball? This is college basketball.
Speaker 2:I don't follow it at all. I was in Knoxville last weekend for a very brief time and the 2024 World Series College World Series Champs, aka the Tennessee Volunteers, were playing a game on Friday night. We considered going. It was like $25, but it was like 25 degrees so we did not go.
Speaker 1:That's $1 per degree. Yeah, I know Way too cold.
Speaker 2:Well, hey, I have two options for facts. Would you like to know about Big Brother, or like to know about pilots sleeping?
Speaker 1:I don't think I want to know about pilots sleeping.
Speaker 2:I fly too often, especially with all the issues of flights that have happened lately.
Speaker 1:Yes, so do you want to?
Speaker 2:learn about Big Brother, okay.
Speaker 3:Whoa.
Speaker 2:TV commercials emit a tone inaudible to the human ear that your smartphone picks up, letting advertisers know that both devices might belong to you. This is one way in which advertisers work to deliver targeted ads to you. Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying I doubt it, I'm just saying it sounds like a conspiracy.
Speaker 2:More things involved could be conspiratorial Technically. This is not Big Brother, this is big advertisement, this is big retail.
Speaker 1:Have you noticed that commercials are always louder than whatever program you're watching. Yes, so they do that intentionally. They record it louder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they could. I mean I guess they could emit some sort of signal your smartphone could pick up. I know, like, as you get older, do you remember this? There was a tone that so back in the day, with like Razer cell phones when the Razer was like the cool cell phone people were trading ringtone songs via Bluetooth. Okay, sure, one of those songs that was traded around via said via, via bluetooth, was something called the mosquito oh yeah it was a certain pitch of sound that as you get older, you can't hear anymore.
Speaker 2:It's a high pitch, but dogs can hear it and freak out right. So if we were to play that sound now, I don't think you'd hear it. I doubt I would hear it anymore. Wow, kara might still be there.
Speaker 3:It is. It's been a couple of weeks. It did eventually.
Speaker 1:Kara might still be able to hear it.
Speaker 2:So there are frequencies we just can't hear, and apparently advertisers recognize that.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you clumping us in the same category as we.
Speaker 2:Yeah, have you. I did, I clumped myself in there. Have you seen like all the jokes on like social media? So we know that big retail's a thing and we know that, like microphones are used on your phones to help gather information about you, to sell you things right. So have you heard the jokes about like a husband going to a wife's phone and being like new truck?
Speaker 2:new truck new trucks, you know, so that their phone might immediately or eventually show an ad for trucks or something like that. Yeah, pretty funny. How to care for your husband. Cool gifts for fathers yeah, pretty funny, you were about to say something.
Speaker 1:No, I thought twice about it before I said it. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:I filtered. Okay, you made a decision.
Speaker 1:I did make a decision, and a wise one at that.
Speaker 2:All right, Bob, here's a question for you. Would you rather get $1 million? We're back to those. I get these from other podcasts. I have to look at other people which podcast. Bread Basket something.
Speaker 3:Bread Basket.
Speaker 2:Two guys that vote on things together and stuff. They do kind of like a sports podcast. They do different sports feats. Could you do it? Feats, could you do it? Would you rather get $1 million or make $50,000 every time you run, slash, jog, slash, walk a marathon? That's been an official marathon, so you can't just go out walking, you can't add in you know your mileage for a week and it be a marathon. Oh really what? It's an official marathon.
Speaker 1:You got to go and walk a marathon. This is simple. I mean, I can't physically do that anymore, so I'm taking the money up front.
Speaker 2:How many marathons do you have to run? What's one million?
Speaker 3:divided by 50,000? Is it 20? 20 marathons I don't know.
Speaker 2:I would do a marathon you could do a marathon once a year, every year. I physically could not run a marathon.
Speaker 1:No, I run, slash jog, slash walk. I'm not sure I can walk it. You could walk a marathon. You aren't in my legs, it would take a day.
Speaker 2:So you devote a day right A year and you just need to do it for the next 20 years. But if you did it for 30 years and remain healthy at the same, time.
Speaker 3:I think it would keep me on tabs with my health as well. So I would totally do that.
Speaker 1:They did two marathons in one year, In 30 years. Do you think?
Speaker 3:I'm going to care how much money I have. That's probably true, probably true, rawr.
Speaker 2:Sorry, it's the old Ecclesiastes. What's the last chapter, 11?, 12? Is 12?
Speaker 3:Is there 12 chapters?
Speaker 2:Where he basically says one day you don't want to wake up anymore right, you're just tired of life. You're just tired of life, so that year you're not going to want to run a marathon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm taking the money up front and investing.
Speaker 2:Talking about making decisions. We want to talk about making decisions in today's episode. That is, making decisions on today's episode. That is making decisions of when maybe you're presented with an opportunity to move and take a job somewhere, or it's a make a decision between going to on missionary work to China for a year or Japan for a year and there are two good opportunities. Maybe it's a you know, a chain is chain of scenery for your family and you work a remote job, your wife doesn't work, your kids like the outdoors, and so you choose do I want to move to the beach or do I want to move to the mountains? I want to talk through how do we, as Christians, make decisions? What are some things we need to think through?
Speaker 1:So you just give examples of big decisions.
Speaker 2:These are big decisions, life change decisions. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's kind of what's in my mind a little bit, so not just everyday decisions like should I upsize my happy meal?
Speaker 2:You know that kind of thing, bigger than that, but not necessarily as big as moving. Okay, so should I buy a new house? Should I move churches? Yes, should I. I mean, we make decisions every day, yeah.
Speaker 1:And somebody said that your life is really just a result of all the decisions that you've made. Series of decisions. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So we're thinking about medium-sized to bigger decisions here, ones that you really are really struggling. What decision? What do I do in this situation? Decisions you really have to slow down and think about. Yes, so we're slowing down and thinking about how they should make, how people should make decisions.
Speaker 1:That made my head hurt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're helping people think by thinking ourselves, so that people might think about our thinking when they think next time.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, look at that, run that back. Ladies and gentlemen Thinking, inception Wow Okay. Thinking-ception, thinking-ception.
Speaker 2:Nice. So, pastor Bob, he made a decision there. I am confused, clearly, I am confused on the next decision I'm going to make, and it's a big decision. Okay, I was just presented the opportunity to, um, you know, I don't know buy a brand new car. That's a decision. And my car is. It's a little rough, it's, it's uh, it's, it's not on its last leg, but I don't really like it anymore.
Speaker 2:Um, I have the money. Uh, what do I do? This is not me, by the way. I'm keeping my car, but what do I do?
Speaker 1:How do we think through decision making as Christians, there's a lot of things you have to weigh in and factor in, and I would say even smaller decisions. The principles that you use there go into your bigger decisions. So there should be a process by which you're making decisions even on small things. But these medium-sized things, decisions even on small things, yeah, but these medium sized things, there's, there's a process by which so, do I need it? Is it, is it responsible, you know, can I afford it? Those kinds of questions you need to ask yourself as you, as you consider a purchase of a car.
Speaker 3:What color is it? I am not see here's the thing y'all.
Speaker 2:I am not a fan of bright colors with cars, or really much color at all.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm green.
Speaker 2:I would do black, silver, gray white. But you know, to each their own.
Speaker 1:But that is part of your decision making. Not only am I going to buy it, but what color should it be? I?
Speaker 2:say that. You know I'm going to talk about this for a second. I do like the new kinds of matte M-A-T-T-E colors, where they're not as glossy or something I don't really know what it's called Matte colors, and I like the sand. Look the beige, the beige and the green in the matte colors. Those look cool, those are cool.
Speaker 3:So it's a brand new beige matte green car, or even the. A brand new beige mat green car, oh yeah, or even the green.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the green mat. Did I already say green? Are you going to buy it? What are you going to?
Speaker 3:do what?
Speaker 1:Are you going to lease it? Are you going to buy it? Yeah, I'm not going to do anything. I'm keeping my car New previously owned.
Speaker 2:I'm wanting to buy a house, so why aren't we using all house buying as an example, don't know. So what are some principles or processes by which we should make decisions? Well, why don't you start? You have some, okay, so why don't I just give all of mine and you give all of yours, okay? And then we'll let the listener decide which one's better. They have to make a decision. Ours are very similar. They are very similar. So I divided it up into principles and a process. Okay, so principles first, to think through, and then, if you're still not sure what to do, here's a process. Okay, here's the principles. Does this decision lead to disobedience to God's word or is it disobedience?
Speaker 1:to God's word.
Speaker 2:So the first thing to think through is is this obeying or disobeying God's word?
Speaker 1:Right, okay. So how can buying a car be either obedient or disobedient to God, bypass the principle Explain?
Speaker 2:Well, so buying a car it may not be either, and so that principle is checked out. Move to the next principle.
Speaker 1:Okay, but what if buying a car puts your family at risk because you don't really need the car? I've got other factors for that.
Speaker 2:Okay, I've got other factors for that. Okay, I've got other factors for that.
Speaker 2:So, these are principles just to consider that should just shut down the decision immediately. Okay, right, so that would be the process section, pastor, what if it's a foreign car? Well, it depends what foreign car. If it's Toyota, sure. If it's Nissan, nissan's had some problems. I, if it's Nissan, nissan's had some problems, I don't know. Sorry, I digress, go ahead. So yeah, there might not be a yes or no answer to all of these, but these are check marks to think through. Okay, could this lead to disobedience? If it does, it should stop there. Second, is this against my conscience, where I have Christian liberty? So maybe someone's pulling me to do something? I need to make a decision for it, but really my conscience is keeping me from it. I know this is not something I want to do personally, so don't do it.
Speaker 1:Not prohibited from doing it Biblically, biblically. But your conscience is telling you it's not the right thing.
Speaker 2:That's correct For you at this time, and to go against that, according to Romans 14, would be sin. Sin, yeah. And then local church. If I'm a part of a local church now, it should probably prohibit me from making that decision. Unless you're in wartime, you're going to the military and there might be unique factors where, for a short, limited time, you may not be able to be a part of a local church. But if this is going to prohibit me from going to local church, I probably should just say no, sure. So those are the immediate no's Disobedience against my conscience, or it prohibits me from being a part of the body of Christ.
Speaker 1:Those are the principles, big principles that overhang all decisions.
Speaker 2:Yep and buying a car.
Speaker 1:none of those really have much to do with buying a car, not directly, but they could.
Speaker 2:So here's, then, the process. Those are the immediate no's. Here's the process. Those are the immediate no's. Here's the process. Pray for wisdom Proverbs bids us, encourages us to seek wisdom from the Lord and he will provide it. Proverbs 4, 5 through 9.
Speaker 2:And so maybe you say you know, it doesn't seem like an unwise decision. That's the first part of the process. So then let's move to the second part of the process, consider practical matters. How can I use my gifts here? Is this a wise financial decision? Is this a better move going forward than where I am now? Is there more opportunity there, or does it seem like I would flourish here better? Do I need to wait until I have more facts and questions answered before I make a decision? So those are practical matters. The Lord has given you a brain to use right.
Speaker 2:The Proverbs are a whole book of just matters of prudence, what to do in given situations. And even the Proverbs themselves. They say I think it's Proverbs 22 or 24, it says do this. And the next verse it says don't do this. And so they're to be applied practically in given situations. Don't answer the fool, answer the fool. There are certain times to answer the fool. There are certain times to not answer the fool. So use your brain, use the mind the Lord's given you. Consider practical matters. Pray for wisdom. Consider practical matters. The third is seek the counsel of wise people in your life. Proverbs 12 talks about this. Proverbs 15 talks about this. If you don't listen to wise counsel, you are a fool Sometimes. Just a note on this sometimes an outsider can help us see the decision objectively. Where you might have a lot of emotions tied up in it, they might help you just think through it from an outsider's perspective. A lot of times we already know what we're to do, but we need to hear people agree. We need to hear people affirm okay, yes, you should not do that Right.
Speaker 2:Number four, fourth part of the process make the decision and trust the Lord. If you've sought the Lord in prayer, so you've already went through the principles. It is not a matter of disobedience to God's word. It's not a matter of going against my conscience. I can serve at a local church. There I've prayed for wisdom. It does feel like it's a wise decision, but there will also be a wise decision to do this thing Practically.
Speaker 2:It makes sense. It's not necessary, but it makes sense. I've sought the counsel of a lot of people and they say you Make the decision and trust the Lord. Don't get into analysis, paralysis. Make a prayerful, prudent decision, wise decision and just trust the Lord. A lot of times we try to almost like figure out the sovereignty of God. If I do this, is it going to take me away from his? Is it going to mess up the butterfly effect of his plan for my life? And I think God's sovereignty is greater than that. He already knows the decision you're going to make and if you've sought him in it, it's not to be like well, sorry, trent, your life's messed up now.
Speaker 1:No, he's already blessed that it's a good process. Thank you, does it work well for you?
Speaker 3:I think, Seems to have. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing. We, I think, can come up with good advice. It's a matter of are we going to follow that advice?
Speaker 3:right, so have I always followed this advice?
Speaker 2:No, should I? I think so. This is wise advice.
Speaker 1:It's all good.
Speaker 2:All right, tell me why my principles and process is not as good as yours. No, I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1:It's very similar actually. Okay, I clump my principles and my process together, so I didn't separate them out. And I don't know that I conscientiously that's what I'm looking for, conscientiously, as every decision I make, go through this list and go have.
Speaker 3:I done. This have I done this?
Speaker 1:Have I done this? It just becomes part of who you are and your decision-making process.
Speaker 2:We're not encouraging people to. Should I go to McDonald's or Wendy's?
Speaker 1:Well, let me pull out what Trent said Exactly.
Speaker 2:Is there disobedience, right right?
Speaker 1:right, but but at the same time, when you again, when you're practicing these things with everyday decisions, they help you when you get to the bigger decisions in life.
Speaker 1:And so, um, my, my first step is just a daily attitude of striving to live for God's will, not my own. So waking up every day, going, god, your will be done in my life today, whatever you would want me to do, and so just having that attitude overarching everything. God, if I do this, is this because I'm selfish in this or because it's your will for my life? So, a daily attitude of just living for God's word. Secondly, just constant prayer, just being continually in prayer, and that's not necessarily stopping and praying over this particular decision, even though I think that's important. It's just an attitude of conversational prayer with God on a regular basis, so that when I'm having to make a decision, it is God, help me make the wise decision. God, what would you have me to do here? God, give me wisdom, send somebody into my life to speak into my life on this. So, just continual prayer. So attitude of God's will in my life, continual prayer.
Speaker 1:Then weighing out my options, looking at okay, here's the decision I have to make if I choose this or if I choose this. A is going to lead me here. B is going to lead me here. Sometimes that's clear, sometimes it's not, but I need to understand. I'm very pragmatic. I need to understand. I will make lists to say this is what will be, this and this is what will be. So, pros and cons, pros and cons Of staying or going, staying or going, picking this, or picking this, buying or not buying, exactly so that's just kind of how my brain works. So sometimes I do that physically, sometimes I just do it mentally, but I'll weigh out my options, say okay, here it is, and then I seek God's word for wisdom. So does God's word speak directly into this decision? Is there a decision I'm making that God's word says this is what you should do to be in my will, and if you do this, you won't be. But God's word doesn't speak directly into every decision we make in our lives, but it does in principles and in decisions.
Speaker 2:He does say white, black, silver, gray, matte, green, matte, tan, car it is in first opinions.
Speaker 1:It's in there somewhere. So, daily attitude to living for God's word, continual prayer, weighing out options, biblical wisdom and then seeking godly counsel. You mentioned this one Wise men seek counsel. They just do one Um um. Wise men seek counsel, that they just do Um. Now you have to be careful. It has to be wise counsel.
Speaker 1:That's right, you can get counsel from 20 fools and they all agree and you go oh, I'm going to follow those guys. Well, they're making a foolish decision. You need to seek wise counsel, so making making sure you have people in your life that can help you make those and perhaps even in areas where financial things that they understand more deeply than you do, having somebody in your life that you can call up and go hey, you're my guy on this, help me think through this. Or you're my girl on this, help me think through this.
Speaker 2:So, godly counsel, even on practical matters. We might have someone in our church who knows about cars matters. You know, we might have someone in our church who knows about cars. So if you're buying a car, hey, um, I don't appreciate. I don't just appreciate your godly wisdom, but I appreciate what you've learned in your trade.
Speaker 3:Help me out.
Speaker 1:Sure yeah sure, darlene and I are going through the process of selling our house and buying a new home right now. We've done that six times, so it's not like it's the first time I've ever done it. I'm not getting surprised by things, but there are people in our church who do that every day, deal with those contracts every day. That's right, so I can call them up and say, hey, give me wisdom on this. This is what they're asking or this is what they're saying, give me wisdom on this. So godly counsel is important.
Speaker 1:I'd say that, with spiritual decisions as well, not just practical decisions, finding people that you trust, then I would say make a determination. Make a decision, like you say, at some point, after you've waited all out, you've prayed, you considered, you sought counsel, you have to make a decision, you have to decide, and so make the determination. This is the way I'm going to go. And then the thing that I add that you didn't have in yours was own that decision. Once you've made the decision, go right Now. There are going to be times when you realize, oh, I made the wrong decision and you have to either repent of that or ask forgiveness for that or change because of that. But once you've made a decision, own it and go with it, don't dance around it.
Speaker 2:Go with it. Indecision is a decision and it's a bad decision.
Speaker 1:It is, and it's frustrating to those around you who are waiting for you to make decisions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he stared at me when he said that is, and it's frustrating to those around you who are waiting for you to make decisions. He stared at me when he said that he's very self-conscious.
Speaker 1:He's probably talking about you.
Speaker 3:You should probably take that to heart.
Speaker 1:And then, finally, I have the same thing you did Trust God. Trust God that he's sovereign over all of it. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean on your own understanding. He's going to direct your path anyway. So if you're doing all these other things and you're walking, striving to walk in God's will, god's sovereign over all these things. So I think it's important for everyone to practice decision making, to make good decisions, to make godly decisions. It's very important for leaders to be able to do that, because people are looking at you, going okay, we need to make this decision, help us walk through this process.
Speaker 1:And not just make the decision for them, but help them walk through a process of decision making. And if you're not doing that in your own personal life, it's hard to do that and you're leading a group, leading a church, to do the same thing. That's right. That's right.
Speaker 2:I think that last piece is so helpful Trust God, especially when you know, we talked to college students who may have found who they think is the person they're going to marry right and they're going through this process that sought wise counsel. They prayed for their future spouse. They have prayed for wisdom in whether this is the right time in their life and I think some college students expect there to be just like this formation of clouds that say the name of the person you're going to marry, a bright light behind them, that kind of thing, which I know that happened for you and Jaden.
Speaker 3:It did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where just the clouds just formed and it said Jaden and put like a smiley face that looks really similar to him in the clouds.
Speaker 2:You took a picture of it? Show me. No, but that's not how the Lord works, right? He gave us godly people, he gave us his word, he gave us minds and he offers his wisdom right. Very few times are we going to have that pie in the sky moment. We can trust the Lord with what he's revealed to us, who he's surrounded us, with the mind he's given us that is renewed by his spirit, to make a decision without just living in fear that we're outside of his sovereignty in any given moment. Yeah, I think that's super helpful.
Speaker 1:I think there's also wisdom in knowing that some decisions you don't need to think about. There are certain things that are just black and white. I shouldn't do this, so I don't really need to go through this process. That's why I had mine in principles Right. So if I'm living for God's will and this is clearly outside of God's will or this is against what God's written word says, against my conscience? Against my conscience.
Speaker 2:Or there's maybe not a local church Exactly.
Speaker 1:There are certain decisions that we don't have to. You know, if we are struggling with it, it's because it's in our own sin. Yeah, that's right, not just going okay, god, that's not what you have for me, that's not what's best for me, and even though selfishly I may want to pursue that right now, that's the wrong decision, so I'm going to go this way.
Speaker 2:They shouldn't even make it in the process of consideration. Exactly you know those.
Speaker 3:What would Jesus do? Bracelets, yeah, um, someone made a joke and I forget who it was, but they said what would Jesus do? Jesus probably wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Probably, not, probably not.
Speaker 1:I would also say, most of the time, um, when you have to make a decision, it's pretty rare that you get to that end of that process and it's just like crystal clear. You know 100%. This is the direction I need to go. Usually there's still some. If you're making a tough decision, there's still some. You know back and forth, but you just got to trust. Don't trust your gut, Don't don't do that, but just trust the, the, the research you've done, trust the counsel you've received, but just trust the research you've done, Trust the counsel you've received, Trust your conscience and, having talked to the Lord, and then just go, Just take the step.
Speaker 2:Yeah, word church wisdom.
Speaker 1:Take the step.
Speaker 2:Yep Take the step. Well, thanks for listening. Hopefully this was helpful. We recorded an episode under 30 minutes, yay, I think we should celebrate.
Speaker 3:Is there a cheers? Yeah, I got to find it.
Speaker 2:Hold on. I always need to have this ready to go there. It is Under 30 minutes. Hey, thank you for listening in. That is the end of this episode.
Speaker 3:Wait, do you want to know how I make decisions?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Every day I call the church, I ask for whatever pastor is available, and I say bye.
Speaker 2:Have a great day.
