Unsexy Church
Unsexy Church
Season 2 Episode 60: On Eight Years of Friendship and Faithful Work
In this week's episode, Pastor Bob and Pastor Trent reflect on their eight-year friendship and ministry partnership as Trent prepares to transition to lead Redeemer City Church in Knoxville, Tennessee.
What are the different communication styles they had that have complemented each other's ministry approach through these years?
What helped to grow them as individuals through their ministry together? What memories do they have? Find out on this episode of Unsexy Church!
This podcast will continue with Bob and Trent collaborating remotely as Trent begins his new role at Redeemer City Church.
what's up, pastor bob? Hey, trent, good to see you. Buddy, how are you?
Speaker 2:I'm all right for a wednesday I feel like our board gets louder and louder. I feel like our our levels used to be a lot higher up but I mean, I'm thankful for it.
Speaker 1:Like 150 episodes in, you'd think we'd get the hang of this. Yeah, we're still gonna have the hang of this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're still going to have the hang of it, but that's okay, we're getting there. We're having fun. Hey, it's May 7th, it's a Wednesday. You said that with conviction. I had to double check what the date was. I took my kids to eye appointments this morning.
Speaker 1:Oh fun.
Speaker 2:We're trying to get all the appointments in before we move. You know we're moving, of course.
Speaker 1:I do Really we're moving.
Speaker 2:I hadn't heard that we're moving to Knoxville, tennessee. Anyways, we went and got our kids eye appointments, which they both had to get their eyes dilated, which is not a fun experience because they got up the eye drops that just burn, and so they were not a fan of that. But I took them to Chick-fil-A, which is right next to the eye clinic, afterward and they both had like the big glasses they had to wear after getting eyes dilated, which is funny. So I took my two kids, my non-seeing kids there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a whole thing.
Speaker 1:They were still able to find their mouths to get the food in right. Yeah, judah took off his glasses when he was outside in the sun and like bright light.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so bright, so that was a fun time. Pick from the treasure box. They got suckers, they got stickers it's better than shot day that's right that's right.
Speaker 1:Better than immunization day?
Speaker 2:probably not to judah. Judah shots fine, okay. Um, but anything in his eyes, so like when he takes shower, he's like super careful to like not get his eyes wet. Doesn't like water in his eyes, okay. So that was probably the worst thing that could have happened in his life.
Speaker 1:He survived, though he's made him stronger, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2:Hey, I have a fact for you. I can hardly wait. I know you're excited, so the fact is about wombats. I'm a big fan of wombats, so they're not bats, they're wombats. It's kind of like not it's not like from men to women woman but wombats. But unrelated to bats, it's more like a koala bear looking thing.
Speaker 1:It's not a female bat.
Speaker 2:It is a muscular quadrupedal marsupial. That's what it says. I don't know what that means. It is a muscular quadrupedal marsupial. That's what it says. I don't know what that means, so it's short-legged. It goes on all fours. It's a koala dog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of what the picture looks like Koala dog. I googled the picture just a minute ago when we were setting up and that's what it looks like. It's kind of like a little koala dog. Did you know that wombats poop in cubes? Cubes like they?
Speaker 2:perfect little cubes little cubes, you can google it like ice cube.
Speaker 1:You've already looked up wombats because I told you in time but I didn't google how they the shape of their just after the google search, just put p o o p.
Speaker 2:Just try it, look it up, look it up I'm not looking at wombat poop on my computer if they are, they are cubes, cubes, really. I don't know how that works. I don't want to really know how it works.
Speaker 1:I'm going to guess it's size and shape of sphincter or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but how does it? I get a few sides, but how does the front side and the back side end up like that?
Speaker 1:That's the question. Yeah, I don't like that. That's the question.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't. That's the question. I don't know. I get, I get four sides. I don't get the other two sides. I don't understand well, they're.
Speaker 1:Probably are they like pellets more than yeah, so I guess they could be more pellet like and that's the sure, the four sides are the, the word you used.
Speaker 2:Oh my lord, oh my plato fun factory is coming to mind right now.
Speaker 1:for some reason, the word you used, oh my, oh, my Play-Doh. Fun Factory is coming to mind right now for some reason.
Speaker 2:So you saw a picture of a wombat.
Speaker 1:Yes, how fast would you think they are? They got those short little legs, but so do mice and rats. They're pretty quick.
Speaker 2:So the question is are they more like a sloth? Are they faster?
Speaker 1:I think they'd be faster than a sloth. How fast like a sloth. Are they faster? I think they'd be faster than a sloth. How fast?
Speaker 2:you know they're not leopard like, but I'm gonna go I just read they can run 25 miles an hour get out of here. It's so fast, so legs, wombat verse. You say that's got an article usain, bolt it is. It pops up wombat versus uh. While bolt briefly hit under 44 kilometers per hour, wombats can do 40. What is that? Kph? Kilometers per hour, yeah.
Speaker 1:Kilometers per hour, yeah, so I mean, they're just slower than you saying yeah, they're about, they're pretty close, they're faster than anybody else. Yeah, that's wild, that's so crazy, because they're so small and like fluffy looking so if a wombat's chasing you, should you run in a straight line or in a crooked line?
Speaker 2:I don't know the answer to that I'm here for for very, very succinct, simple facts. I had to google 20 minutes before you know, I've been told.
Speaker 1:You know, if bears or alligators are chasing you, you zigzag, so they can't make the turns. So maybe a wombat's the same way.
Speaker 2:Okay, here you go To get to the bottom of the mystery. Scientists dissected a wombat that had died after being hit by a car. They examined its intestines so back to the first thing and found they contained two grooves where the guts are more elastic. So there's grooves in the guts. That form, that form said Okay. Discarding.
Speaker 1:Wow, I can go home complete today, having learned. Well, you can't go home and say I didn't learn something you know it's like a Snapple fact.
Speaker 2:I learned something.
Speaker 1:Cube, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Receptacles yes, okay. Cube yeah. Cube receptacles yes, okay, lovely. Thank you for that. You're welcome Image as well.
Speaker 1:I'm here to help. It's just the two of us today. There's no, nobody to balance this.
Speaker 2:That's right. Kara would just be staring at us. We are unsupervised. Kara would just be staring at us, she would, and then she'd be staring and staring, unless she would say something really funny, yeah, so, uh, I've got a question. Okay, this is a question that's been circling all over social media, and it is could 100 men take down subdue, and let's just say, take care of one gorilla, or would one gorilla win? Take down subdue, take care of 100 men, 100 men 100 men versus one gorilla.
Speaker 1:Just like one battle kind of thing.
Speaker 2:One battle, no escaping what's going to happen.
Speaker 1:I'm probably going to go with the gorilla, if the men are unarmed, of course, okay. Because a 100 men can't get on a gorilla all at one time. Correct, now they could take turns, I suppose. Waves Right, waves, waves, and maybe eventually wear out the gorilla right. I suppose there's one school of thought I've thought about this. Yeah, the last five minutes I've never thought about this until you just pose the question there's.
Speaker 2:There's people who have put in like a list of 100 men, like if, if these it doesn't say that shape, it just says 100, yeah, unarmed. But like, people have even, like, thought about it to the extent of like, oh, we need this guy and this guy and this guy and they could definitely do it. So could 100 men do it, just any 100 men unarmed Any random 100 men.
Speaker 1:Is it possible? Yes, I think it's possible. Okay, is it?
Speaker 2:probable. What would it?
Speaker 1:take. It would take strategy, it would take waves.
Speaker 2:I think here's what needs to happen, bob. I think you need about. I think the first 10 are going to have a bad day, probably their last day. So I think you start with sumo guys. No, actually, I think you get some fast guys. First, you're running around, you get it tired. Then you start with the sumos, the rope-a-dope. Okay, you're running around, you get it tired. Then you start with the sumos, the rope-a-dope. Okay, you know what the rope-a-dope is? Nope, I was born in 1993, pastor Bob, look at that.
Speaker 1:Muhammad Ali rope-a-dope. Look it up.
Speaker 2:Is that because he's running around the rope? No, he just wore the guy down, okay, so anyway. So you wear the gorilla down. Then you get the sumo guys to kind of get it cornered. Kind of push it back a little bit. Some of those sumo guys are going to have a bad day After that. After the sumo guys kind of get it cornered, then you get like the big jiu-jitsu guys, like the heavyweight jiu-jitsu.
Speaker 1:So rolling around with them.
Speaker 2:You get a few kind of on the neck, you get a few on the legs, you get a few on the arms, and then you bring in the boxers, and then they just do what they need to do.
Speaker 1:What about like karate guys with the very strategic spots where they hit people Sure.
Speaker 2:Get the boxers and then get the karate guys.
Speaker 1:Feasibly it could be done right. You've clearly given it more thought than I have.
Speaker 2:I think what you actually need to do is just someone who's a chiropractor because it hurts sometimes. Just get that guy out there, do a couple cracks, or get the back massager person that does like the deep tissue massage. That gorilla's done. Is it an angry gorilla?
Speaker 1:or is it a nice gorilla?
Speaker 2:He is an average gorilla but has not eaten in the last half a day.
Speaker 1:He's a hangry gorilla.
Speaker 2:He's a pretty hangry. He's not as hangry as he could be, right, right, okay, let's just say he's not had Chex Mix that day. Okay, why Chex Mix? I don't know, but he doesn't poop in cubes. Not in cubes, I mean you can Google.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to do that. All right, here's what we're going to talk about. We're having a fun episode. So, pastor Bob, you're well aware that I am moving in two weeks, a week and a half, something like that, whatever the day is. I'm transitioning from serving as well. I've already transitioned from next gen. I've been one of the pastors on staff transitioning out of that pastor position here on staff to lead Redeemer City Church in Knoxville, tennessee. We position here on staff to lead Redeemer City Church in Knoxville, tennessee. We've had a lot of fun the last seven and a half, eight and a half, whatever the years are. You mentioned doing a podcast this week on just kind of some friendship, things like how we've become friends. I think we're friends, so I asked AI to give us questions with the prompt and I quote questions to ask a friend and colleague on a podcast about their friendship Interesting. There was a lot of questions that popped up.
Speaker 2:many of which I didn't like. I kept a few wrote a couple.
Speaker 1:You're asking a robot about friendship, yeah exactly, okay, exactly. Just to generate questions about friendship.
Speaker 2:Just to generate questions, cool. So maybe if you come up with some other questions just to generate questions, cool. So, um, maybe if you come up with some other questions, just throw them out there. All right, let's just have fun. Sure Shoot. What were your initial impressions of me and what was my initial impression of you?
Speaker 1:Go, you're up, go first. Yeah, why not?
Speaker 2:No, I remember what I was wearing when I came to the airport.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, I do not remember that. I don't remember what I was wearing. I certainly don't remember what you were wearing. Sorry, I'm not that locked in on those kind of details. My first impression of you wasn't personal. It was your resume and then some video I found of you, but you were doing videos to parents of your students at the time. Yeah, just kind of reiterating this is what we're talking about. Here are some things that you can and so I was very impressed by that. I saw you were younger at the time, obviously eight years younger than you are now so you were fairly 25.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were young, but I saw a maturity there. There were things on your resume that just struck a chord with me that there was a depth there that I hadn't seen in some other places. So my initial, before we ever personally met, was here's a guy of depth, here's a guy of substance, here's a guy who is forward thinking in how to communicate. So all those things came first, and then when we met, we're similar personality-wise and so I think that came out pretty quickly that we were both kind of similar in that regard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were fine. Um so I wasn't trying to tee up compliments.
Speaker 1:You can say that no, I know you're not. No, I mean, I'll get, I'll trust me, I'll get, I'll get my shots in, great Okay.
Speaker 2:You were very kind on the phone. It was kind of a tough season of ministry where we reached out or I reached out to you. I remember like there's just like I don't know that I can describe it super well, but I remember where I was when the phone call. I remember filling out the questionnaire. I remember where I was when I had, like, the interview with the team from afar. I remember the travel you know here and all so many of those things. You were quieter, I would say, than some guys I had met in the past. You're a little more introverted, would you agree? Oh, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you are more introverted than some you introverted than some pastor leaders, bosses I've had, but very determined, driven and administrative, thoughtful and and like once you like. It was what's the right word for this. Once you make a decision, it's, it's the decision like. You don't second guess, you're moving forward because you've already thought through, you've already processed. So I really appreciated a lot of that, yeah.
Speaker 1:What was I wearing when we first met? No idea. No, that's good. If you had to answer to that, that would have really bothered me.
Speaker 2:Now you picked us both up in the airport. We had judah, who was like a month old or month and a half old or something like that. Um and uh, I was wearing because you know you, you're going to meet someone then everybody has different opinions and expects different things, and so we were on an air, you know, an airplane. It was an early morning, so I think I wore like khaki shorts and then like a quarter zip, you know. So it's like you were on an airplane it's comfortable, but it's.
Speaker 2:It doesn't look sure professionally like a slob, yeah, yeah professionally comfortable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't remember that, but I remember. I remember getting you guys and you stayed at our house that year. That time, didn't you? Or was it the second time you stayed?
Speaker 2:at our second time, we stayed at, stayed at your house.
Speaker 1:I think which? That's a whole other story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why is it a whole other story on your end?
Speaker 1:Do you remember what my son was wearing the first time you met him? I don't remember what he was wearing the first time.
Speaker 2:But sometime in the night he came down, so I think you guys went upstairs and we just kept talking down in your living room, because I think we were staying in Ryan's room. I think you're right? Yeah, okay, and he came down shirtless looking for Little Debbie's. No, he made a bowl of cereal. That's what he did.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Is that what you're thinking? Yeah, yeah. He came down shirtless looking for a bowl of cereal and I was like hi. And he was like who are you and why are you in my living room?
Speaker 1:hilarious. Ben was in his awkward stage at that time yeah, he's come out of that stage, has he?
Speaker 2:yeah he's come out.
Speaker 1:He's still goofy but he's come out of that, that's for sure that's for sure.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, I'm gonna have to. I'm so I I feel like I can't remember things very well. I don't either.
Speaker 1:I don't either, but I do remember having a really good first impression of you, and that that hasn't gone away. There's. There's been, you know times when I've second guessed it, but I'm kidding, are you? Serious right now. No, no, it was all good, all good all right in your nose, or some hesitancy?
Speaker 2:all right so, um, okay, how does your? Uh, let's no, let's just be fun. Uh, what is the time I made you laugh? Or if you fun, what is a time I made you laugh? Or, if you can think about it, the time I made you laugh the hardest? I've got one teed up in my mind.
Speaker 1:When you made me laugh or when I made you laugh.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. When I made you laugh. Oh really, I don't know if you have one where you made me laugh in your mind, I was trying to think of that, I don't. Where you made me laugh in your mind, I was trying to think of that, I don't. You've made me laugh a number of times and I always joke back like, oh man, I need to record that.
Speaker 1:That'd be funny. My humor is so dry and awkward you make me laugh. Just by being you, I mean just because you are? No, because you are, what's your nickname around here? Captain, qualifier, captain, qualifier. So you qualify, qualifying, you qualify everything. And so I think, just when you do that, or just when somebody intentionally.
Speaker 2:It means I'm thoughtful right.
Speaker 1:It means you're Just when somebody intentionally just jabs at you and it's just pure fun and you feel like you have to justify it or have to answer to it. That you've made me crack up a hundred times just just by justifying stuff when somebody's just messing with you all right.
Speaker 2:so in in the height of covid, there was a video that came out uh, let's see four years ago. So yeah and um, every once in a while I just like to show you a funny video to see if I can make you laugh. Part of social media is finding how to make your friends laugh with funny videos or something like that Memes. So some people didn't like this, but Pastor Bob thought it was hilarious Because I had showed Darren, I had showed someone else, I think. And then I was like all right, bob, you've got to come see this. So there was.
Speaker 1:This is one of the more appropriate videos you've shown me, Actually they're all appropriate.
Speaker 2:So this one is do you know what it is? I think I remember, yes, can you read? No, what is it?
Speaker 1:I can't see your computer. What is it? I'm thinking of couple that you showed, okay.
Speaker 2:So tell me see if you can.
Speaker 1:One involved a lot of spit, but I don't think that's this one I don't remember. Oh, yeah, you do, really, yeah, with the pastor spitting on his associate or something. Yeah, yeah, you showed me that one. I don't remember that, yeah, because I I threatened to use it one time. Okay, anyway, I don't know, I don't remember this one, the worship chicken, so it's just the name of it.
Speaker 2:So it's actually the worst chicken. Uh, so the first video that came out with 1.3 million views was way maker, so so so some account I don't know who this person is got one of those like squeaky chicken things you get at walmart or whatever. So you're laughing now and they made a whole like video out of it. Like the chickens in the studio walking to the mic, opening the guitar case and singing. And here's, just here's that sound.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna see if I can make you laugh just for a second here. I'm gonna put it to the mic just for a second here. I'm going to put it to the mic. On his tiptoes you got a little live reaction here, taking the guitar out of the case.
Speaker 2:Yeah, commentary is good.
Speaker 1:Just an up close on a microphone right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he hasn't come up yet. Oh, here he is, if you can't if you can't see Bob right now. He's dying laughing. Just the funniest thing that was. That was one of the hardest times I'd seen you laugh and it made me so happy that I made you laugh that hard.
Speaker 1:Oh goodness, there's so much anticipation building in the video to the moment he just squeaks. I'm just a middle school boy at heart.
Speaker 2:Hilarious. Can you think of a time that you made me laugh just real big? I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1:Again, I don't know. Okay, All right, Obviously you don't.
Speaker 2:So I mean Okay, well, I'm trying to thank you, all right, so I would say we, well, let's do this. What's something funny or unexpected? I'm still. What's something funny or unexpected you've learned about, uh, we've learned about each other through our friendship, funny or unexpected. Funny or unexpected you know way too much about soccer. I don't understand soccer and how it works. You're a coach, but like all these other teams, all these other parts of the world, you, you know a lot about every sport, so you are a sports guy.
Speaker 1:I am.
Speaker 2:And kind of like the behind-the-scenes analyst kind of guy. You know a lot of different things about the makeup, the players, how it works, all those kinds of things.
Speaker 1:That's surprising.
Speaker 2:I just didn't know it initially, oh sure, and then I've learned how good an administrator you are. I've tried to glean some of that and I think you are a very respectable person. Again, I'm not trying to just give you compliments here, but in some ways I am People that you've had to say very hard things to respect you. Thank you are a good man, thank you are a great pastor to them, even through that, and that's something I really appreciate and I want to take from your leadership.
Speaker 1:I appreciate that. One of the things that I learned about you is you're highly competitive. There's a drive in you that you don't always show, but when you get stuck in particular situations it comes out. Okay, it maybe goes back to your running days, I don't know. And having to compete so hard, but you do like to be number one. You like to fight for the first place. Okay, that's not a negative comment at all.
Speaker 2:No, I can think of a few examples of this.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know where one of these is yes, go ahead. No, go ahead. No, no, no. You thought of the example.
Speaker 2:You give it Okay. Well, sometimes you're like I think you can get this many people to go overseas, I think you can get this, or I think you can do that and I think the Lord will send more. You know, I'm a very positive person and I want to work to a certain goal if I have it in my mind.
Speaker 1:Sure, yeah, oh. And you are like a pit bull. Once you get something in your head and you feel like it's a God-given task, nothing's going to get in your way. You're going to get it done. Yeah, that's a good thing, and not hurting people along the way to get there. It's not win at all cost, it is no, we've got something to do and we're going to get it done. So I was thinking more of putt-putt golf, but yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you mean, how good of a putt-putt golfer I am. How fortunate of a putt-putt golfer you were that night. Yes, all I have to say is I think I beat you in putt-putt golf and you're the golfer man Former golfer. Yeah, I have played golf one time, maybe twice, on an actual golf course.
Speaker 1:I've always wanted to get you and Darren out on a golf course. Oh, it's so bad. And that's never happened in our eight years.
Speaker 2:I can drive the ball. Two out of every five will be hit right or left, but I can drive the ball. Okay, I can't do about anything else. Um, I can, I can put a little bit at putt, putt. I can, really I can really show.
Speaker 1:I saw that yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, I think, um, you know I'm trying to think. Something that was on my mind was I, you are very easy to work for, for a person that's that's driven and a hard worker and diligent and sincere. I think you, you don't micromanage, um, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think of a right word. They just say here, um, there's only a few times I've seen you get frustrated, and it's usually because someone has not put work in right, right, yeah, yeah, and maybe you're trying to float it like they have. Right, I can think of no one.
Speaker 2:I'm not thinking of anyone in particular, genuinely, I just think you know, when someone's telling you something, you expect them to actually have thought through it, to have planned it out, and so your expectations are right, but you don't micromanage and so, hey, if, if you're sharing this, if we're going to move forward, why, why are we doing that? Like you, you want to have those questions answered. Um, which has helped me, because I'm kind of a weird floater in between of, like, I like to see where I want to go and I also want to plan it out, but there are probably some areas I've not thought of here and there, but I still do think it out, so that's helped shape me in ways I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:I appreciate that. Yeah, I try not to be a micromanager until I have to be, and that's when you know, I just set high expectations, yeah, and I expect people to do their jobs, yeah, and so when I get frustrated, it's when somebody is not doing what they said they were going to do or get something done.
Speaker 1:And so my other problem, though, is I'm a protector. I'm also somebody who is a problem solver, so I think I can come alongside people who aren't performing and help them get where they want to be. So our need to be so that those don't always compliment one another.
Speaker 2:I don't think I see, I wanted to make this fun and I feel like this is all like, uh, it's all sappy stuff.
Speaker 1:So, um, you have a, you have a, a sense of humor that I didn't see at first. Okay, and that that isn't. That isn't overtly obvious in your life. You, just you, you get a great sense of humor, um, but you laugh at things that I'm thinking I never would expect a, a Trent, to laugh at that. That's not a negative. There's not dirty things, it's not unsightly things, it's just you're laughing at things.
Speaker 2:I'm like Well, am I okay? So I'm trying to think of an example of that. You know that in pastoral ministry you laugh at things that aren't funny. Sometimes you have to Because you appreciate the person sharing something that they really think is funny.
Speaker 1:Is that?
Speaker 2:what I'm laughing at, or is it like am I actually laughing?
Speaker 1:No, you're, you're actually laughing at stuff that.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Yeah, yeah, okay, uh, so is there like a um who's most likely to that'd be a fun game to play. Okay, okay, let's see if we can do that.
Speaker 1:um, you have another question of mine, this is like a wedding thing, don't? They do this and you a? Who is most likely?
Speaker 2:to Game. This is thrilling radio. Here we go. All right, here we go. This is the AI episode. Pastors, you use ai only on funny things, for podcasts. Uh oh, this is all about podcasting, though I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1:Two friends, here we go all right. Who is most?
Speaker 2:likely to laugh so hard they cry. I don't know. What do you think? Probably you. I don't know. You gotta cry. I just want to watch show you that?
Speaker 1:yeah, but it's pretty rare.
Speaker 2:I mean it's pretty rare I cry when you get me you get me belly laughing.
Speaker 1:It's. Yeah, I'm emotional, you're. It's pretty rare I cry way too much.
Speaker 2:You get me belly laughing. I'm emotional, you're a crier.
Speaker 1:I'm an emotional person. I'm emotional. You're more emotional than I am.
Speaker 2:Dude I had the most simple thing that the doctor said about something this morning. You got teared up and I got teared up and it was like nothing. It was literally fine.
Speaker 1:I did fine until I started talking about your mission goals and how you would accomplish them. And I made the mistake of looking at you and I'm like oh, and I choked me up because you were, you were you were down there crying like a girl.
Speaker 2:No, you weren't, you were just you're.
Speaker 1:Hey, girls are great, bob, and we love them but we love them.
Speaker 2:But I am a man, okay. So they played a video. I didn't know they were going to play a video.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got you on that one that got me. Yeah, that was a good video, that really got me and then that helped me.
Speaker 2:When I preached, I kind of looked at my notes just to not look up. If I looked up, I thought I was going to cry. So who's most likely to spill a drink on themselves? You, yeah, that's definitely true. Who is most likely to believe a ridiculous conspiracy theory? You no, I just think you are a conspiracy theorist. No see, you say them the podcast like I actually am you are. Can I just be honest with you? I don't know that there's any conspiracy theory I actually buy into. I just think they're fun to share.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's any conspiracy theory I actually buy into. I just think they're fun to share. Yeah, yeah, I think I don't even look into them, I just yeah. I've got friends that have podcasts that talk about. I'm skeptical about everything, so I'm so here's the deal. So many big conspiracy theories require so many people to lie, um, and all be on the same page in a lie, and I don't believe people are that good at lying and keeping a secret or what have you.
Speaker 1:They're good at lying. I don't think they're good at keeping secrets. That's what I meant to say.
Speaker 2:So I don't think you can have that many people all colluding to make one big secret conspiracy, so I think most of them are ludicrous. All right, who is most likely to sing karaoke completely off key?
Speaker 1:Are you a good singer? I'm not a good singer. I can, I can hold a tune, but I'm not. I'm not a good singer. What about you? You're a drummer, Can?
Speaker 2:you sing? No, I've tried to drum and sing and that's really hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't imagine that.
Speaker 2:Um, what's a go-to karaoke song?
Speaker 1:We did that before, have we?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What was it? I think I did Don't Stop Believing by Journey, if I remember right.
Speaker 2:Okay, I did All. Star by.
Speaker 1:Smash Mouth.
Speaker 2:That's the only one you know, yeah, yeah, who is most likely to get distracted by a squirrel? You Most definitely. Let's see who is most likely to accidentally send a text to the wrong person.
Speaker 1:Me probably, yeah it's not me, although I send like two texts every month.
Speaker 2:Who gets more frustrated with group texts? Me 100% yeah yeah, I'm trying to think of quirks, about each other. You don't like group texts. I don't like texts in general. I dislike them with a passion. Would you rather people text you or call you? Call me, it depends on what it is.
Speaker 1:It depends on what it is, but I'd much rather talk to somebody than text back and forth.
Speaker 2:All right, this is not a bad personality quirk, as long as it's a short phone call.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm for that.
Speaker 2:Um, this is not a bad personality quirk. When people come and knock on your door and they're trying to sell something, do you answer the door Typically, no, yeah, neither do I. We like to talk to people, but not that much. Okay, who's most likely to get locked out of their own place? You, yeah, I'll lose my key. You've lost your key so many times. Let's see. Lost your key so many times. Uh, let's see, um, who? Who is most likely to be still in their pajamas at noon on a weekend? Neither one of us, neither one. I. If I don't get out of the house on any day, any given day, I will go so crazy yeah, that's neither one of us.
Speaker 1:Neither one one of us is going to be no.
Speaker 2:My wife will look at me, so if we have family and we're just wanting to hang around, she knows I've got to just accomplish something in a day.
Speaker 1:And if I?
Speaker 2:don't, I won't sleep that night. I'll just be like there's so much I need to get done today, and so she'll just stare at me and be like, hey, can for you or something. All right, who's most likely to hit the snooze button? You're already awake before your alarm goes off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but you're not.
Speaker 2:I wake up early.
Speaker 1:Yeah so.
Speaker 2:I'm not. Who is most likely to freak out where they put their keys? Who is most likely to have some strange collection of things? Do you collect anything? Not really, I don't collect anything.
Speaker 1:I don't really, but I would lean towards me than you, being more nostalgic probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not super sentimental, I'm emotional, not sentimental, so I don't hold on to things for a long time. Do you like? Click baseball cards or?
Speaker 1:anything like that.
Speaker 2:No, no, okay, who's most likely to talk to their pet like it's a human? You, really, I don't have a pet.
Speaker 1:My wife has a cat, but I don't talk to it like it's a human.
Speaker 2:I'm offended, no, I'm kidding. Who is most likely to be a picky eater Me? Yeah, I think so. Who is most likely to be a picky eater Me? Yeah, I think so. I like what I like on most everything. I've kind of found what I like, but I'm always down to try something new.
Speaker 1:Yeah, once Once. I'm not a picky eater, but I'm a particular eater.
Speaker 2:Have you had escargot? Yes, so you've tried things. Sure, I try stuff. Yeah, so you've tried things. Sure, I try stuff. Who is most likely?
Speaker 1:to stay up late reading a book.
Speaker 2:You don't stay up late but neither do I.
Speaker 1:I like staying up late. It's just not a good pattern for me because I get up so early.
Speaker 2:See, I don't like staying up late. I actually don't like it. So if I don't have anything to do, I want to go to bed. What time is bedtime typically, me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is fun. This is maybe wasting people's time.
Speaker 2:10, 30, 11 o'clock somewhere in there. Yeah same, he's must like an early bird. Okay, let's see here.
Speaker 1:So, while you're looking these up, we've worked well together for these eight years. In my estimation, yeah, yeah, yeah, Um. So what? What do you think about?
Speaker 1:Our relationship helped us to be able to collaborate well together, to work well. I mean, we've complimented each other back and forth and that's not what we're after, but but there is a sense where I mean, you've worked on ministerial staffs with other folks before, you've worked on this staff and, and there's personalities that you know everybody strives to get along, Everybody strives to work together, but you don't necessarily, um excuse me thrive in those Um, but we've been blessed at our staff recently that, um, we all are on the same page and kind of working together, Um, but we've we've worked. I think we've worked well together in the time that you've been with us, Um and I, and I think it's because we both we're both passionate, we're both driven pretty well, type A personality, so that goes well together. But I can work well with other people that aren't those things as well. We have a commonality in a passion of preaching expositional preaching. We have a passion in study, so those are things that I think we hold in common. I don't know.
Speaker 2:You know that I like to pursue some goal, that I've. You know I get passionate about something camp or a trip or some ministry thing and I think you've kind of said, well, pursue it Right. And I think that has blessed me, uh, in a lot of ways where, um, I've been free to fail, um, I've been, and I I really do appreciate that. And um, you know, I think you've supported different ministry ventures. I think you've you've prayed for me. I don't know what do you think Accompany each other, Because we both are very similar and sometimes that doesn't work.
Speaker 1:You're quieter than I am, so I come in your office more than you come in my office. Sure, sure, and I'm not a verbal affirmer that has been really tough for me. Try being married to me for 30 some odd years. Yeah, and it's my wife, and it's something I always I strive to work on, but I was just not something I excelled at. I've had to learn.
Speaker 2:I've had to learn to see what you appreciate, yeah, rather than to hear you say good job, that's fair, that's a hundred percent fair, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever, that's a hundred percent fair. Yeah, yeah, and I and I try to get better at saying hey, good job, well done. Yeah, appreciated that, I've, I've. I strive to get better at that, but it's not because I don't appreciate people, it just goes back to you had a job to do, you did it, okay, let's move on, kind of thing. Um, but I, I do. I think people sense. Uh, if you're around me long enough, you sense when I'm pleased and when I'm not, you know. So I don't, I don't hide that very well.
Speaker 2:Honestly though you know you could see that as a uh, not a strength in you, but it is, I think, made me stronger. And then I'm not just striving for affirmation, um, because you know so much of ministry is, especially as a pastor, it's public, and so you oftentimes just are relying on, you can, unfortunately, rely on how people perceive what you're doing, um, whether people like it or don't like it, and so you can live for people's praise and you don't praise a ton. I mean, you praise the Lord a ton, but you don't praise people. That's just not who. You are Right, and so that's helped me Verbally anyway, I'm just not yeah, yeah but genuinely.
Speaker 2:that's helped me not receiving it all the time. I've learned what you appreciate without relying on just being praised or whatever. That's helped me, yeah.
Speaker 1:We've worked well together because you mentioned that you kind of dream and then you pursue something, but you never do it without coming to me first and saying, hey, pastor, this is what I'm thinking about. Think through this with me, what do you think? And so you get me on the front end of it and I can catch the vision for it, and then I can feel freedom to turn you loose, to go okay, go for it. Or I'm sure there's somewhere along the way that I said maybe now's not the best time to pursue that, right, um, but most of the time it is. Here's why I want to do something, here's the goal, here's what we're trying to accomplish, and and I love to surround my people, myself, with people who are like that, and then I can trust them to go get it done, um. And so we've worked well together because you've earned the freedom, and I've been able to give you that freedom, to go do things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I like the work right. So, like, I like the process of saying like hey, look at how it's going. Hey, this is what we're doing. Um, I enjoy that. I enjoy sharing about that ministry. Yeah, yeah, Any other thoughts? I don't know how to fill this time. I feel like I feel like a lot of our relationship is just in. I think it's fun as we go, and so when you sit down and just talk about it, I don't know much more to say oh goodness, Any really just memories, whatever they are, that are just like hey, this sticks out in the last eight years I've always liked going to SBC. I think that's fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we enjoy doing that together. Darlene and I enjoyed our trip to Knoxville with you and Jess not terribly long ago.
Speaker 2:That was fun.
Speaker 1:Because we just got to hang out.
Speaker 2:It wasn't ministry related. Went to the pizza place.
Speaker 1:I mean we were looking at the, the church plant and all those things, so we were doing business, but for the most part it was just us getting to hang out and do things. So, um, yeah, that there's just points along the way. That's just been consistent and that's my love. Language is just consistency. So so, um, yeah, just a consistent character, consistent um work ethic, um, consistent proclamation.
Speaker 1:I've, I've enjoyed watching you craft, learn your craft or develop your craft of preaching. You were a good preacher when you got here, but I think you're a better preacher as you leave here, because you've you've intentionally worked at that and and you've had plenty of opportunities, not just on Sunday mornings. But I think you're a better preacher as you leave here, because you've you've intentionally worked at that and and you've had plenty of opportunities, not just on Sunday mornings, but with our student ministry, their young adult ministry, and so for me to watch that and for you to try different things and work through just your style, um, that's encouraging to me. Um has been, um, besides the fact that it's great for me to just sit down and listen to good preaching on Sunday, so I can take a break from doing that myself and just listen to and know that I'm going to be fed through God's word, through you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I appreciate that. Some good memories, you know. You, let me run on Thrive Camp. You let me kind of just pursue this goal that I had of like, hey, let's do a camp camp. You let me kind of just pursue this goal that I had of like, hey, let's, let's do a camp.
Speaker 2:Uh and um, and you trusted me enough to get me through one year where we lost quite a bit of money to now where we're doing to now, where we're doing real well, uh and uh, and so that's a highlight for me is just your support of that ministry, your support of Thrive Camp, your support of me, your prayer for me, your care for me, you pointing out some different things even in my own personality, that I need to work on, my leadership, that I need to work on all of which was hard to initially hear, but very helpful over the long term.
Speaker 2:You know, trusting the Lord's leading and my leadership in Redeemer City and then sharing that with the church two years ago. You know, one of the first things that I remember is just kind of getting to know the kind of care that you would have as a pastor for me was long story short. When we needed some help at the very beginning of moving here, you saw to it and, without going into all the details there, we still so appreciate that. And April of 2018, that transition, the way you handled that was. I so appreciate it. I made a mark. So thank you for all the years that I've gotten to sit under your preaching and, uh, for the friendship along the way. It's been fun.
Speaker 1:It has been fun. I'm looking forward to what the next chapter is going to be. So I'm really I could not be more excited to send Redeemer City out. I couldn't be more proud that you're the one that's going to lead that and, um, and more comfortable that you're the one that's going to do that. So, um, I look forward to what the next chapter is going to be. It's going to it's going to feel a little bit different, you know, be distance, different relationship. But, uh, I really look forward. Other, yeah, we'll see at the SBC, yeah, and other conferences probably, and we're going to try to figure out how to maybe continue the podcast from two different locations.
Speaker 2:That'll be fun and we'll stop being sappy with each other.
Speaker 1:Then yeah, I will miss you popping in my office, your head poking around the corner of my office door saying sorry, sorry, sorry, you got a second. Sorry, there it is. I will miss that. There it is.
Speaker 2:There it is well, you're, you're, you know you're a little more introverted person. So I I've got to talk, sometimes I've got to. I like to grind, but I've got to take breaks, just like we all do, and my breaks usually involve wanting to tell you about something, sure? So I've enjoyed it, brother well, cool, all right, appreciate it. Thanks for listening the episode. We'll have more like this in the future. Keep listening.
