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Season 3 Episode 19: Honoring Your Mother

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Welcome And Turkey Study Trip

SPEAKER_02

Hey gang, and welcome back to another episode of the Unsexy Church Podcast. It's a podcast ministry of First Baptist Church, Tampa, Florida, where our mission is to help you connect with a thriving life in Christ. Good morning, gang. Good morning. Good morning, Darren. How are we doing today?

SPEAKER_00

Doing good. Doing good.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, nothing's changed in the last 35 minutes.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah. We're recording a couple of these back to back. So uh we're just sitting here around the table staring at each other. Um, yeah. So we uh we're again uh Bob and I are gonna I think are we'll be out of town when you when you get this one. And so uh we'll be way out of town. We'll be way, we'll be out of uh country. Uh pretty excited. Should we do we say anything? Sure, yeah. You can tell them where we're gonna be. It's not a secret. All right, we're gonna be in Turkey. Um the country Turkey, the opposite side that missiles are being lobbed at. But hopefully, right, hopefully, right? Uh, but uh we're going on a uh discipleship study trip with a group of 30 of our of our church members, and where we're gonna do a tour of the uh seven churches of Revelation. We're gonna also visit Athens, we're gonna visit the Isle of Patmos, Crete, Rhodes.

SPEAKER_01

Rhodes, or else we're throwing in Santorini in there. Santorini truly doesn't have a lot of biblical significance, but it's really pretty. But it's a pretty place.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, exactly. So yeah, we're really, really excited about about that. So um just pray pray for us as we as we travel and uh it's a 11-day trip.

SPEAKER_01

It's uh I I was blessed to go last year uh with a group of pastors to see the seven churches and uh went with low expectations and just came back amazed. And so uh came back and told folks about it, and so many wanted to go that we put a team together and we're we're headed out and I'm looking forward to spending some time with our church going to these amazing places and just letting scripture kind of come off the page a little bit.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm really excited. We were supposed to go to Israel two, three years ago. Yeah, and then the October 7th deal happened, and so that got knit you know nixed. So now we're going to the revelation church's revelation.

SPEAKER_01

I've got a friend who was just a couple weeks ago, well, about a month ago now, had a trip, a group in Jerusalem when Iran started bombing. So they they got stuck there for a few days in bomb shelters and gosh. This tour group was great about getting them out and getting them to Egypt and take a take took good care of them. But that will not be happening to us where we are, but uh yeah, it's good to know that they'll take good care of us should should anything go down. That's right, man.

SPEAKER_02

Every time I uh every time I talk to my mom, I could call my parents just about every Sunday. And uh my mom asked the last probably three or four or five weeks. She asked me, Are you still going on your on your trip? And I'm like, Yeah, we're still I sure wish you wouldn't go. She is uh she is not yeah, she is not excited. I mean, she is, but uh she's she's worried, man. My mom is uh uh is a sweet lady, uh, a lover. Hi, mom. If you I don't I don't think she listens. My dad does sometimes. But uh anyway, she's she's a sweet lady, but she uh she every every Sunday night, I sure wish you wouldn't go. And she even said one, I hope you don't. Sounds like a uh a loving and caring and she is a concerned mother. She is. She's she's fantastic, man. Uh but uh I don't know. Uh my my mom is uh is super and uh speaking of moms, uh the Sunday or see I tried to make that transition for you and he just kind of

Why Mother's Day Matters

SPEAKER_02

went right through it.

SPEAKER_01

Now he's back. Here he is, he's back. Speaking of moms.

SPEAKER_02

The Sunday uh that after you get this is Mother's Day after this podcast drops. And so we're gonna talk about Mother's Day. Oh gosh. So a lot of cool things about Mother's Day. How much money do you think is spent annually?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, here comes this fun fact. Hopefully, we don't have any dark facts about how much money is spent on Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_02

Mother's Day annually. For cards or just across the world on everything Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_01

Across the world, how much money is spent on Mother's Day? Yeah. You remember how much it was Valentine's? A lot. I don't remember the exact number. On Mother's Day, around the world, how much money is spent?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's gotta be don't know, Jordan. I'm I'm searching how many mothers in the world. Jordan's cheating. He's googling over here.

SPEAKER_01

I know I have no idea. I yeah, I mean I could throw a number out, but it's just gonna be, you know.

SPEAKER_02

I had no idea it was this much. I'm just telling you. Does it start with a B or a T? Yeah, it starts with a B. Okay. Which is still $35 billion. A billion, okay, billion with a B as in boy. Yeah. Over over a quarter of all flower sales every year are for Mother's Day. Over a quarter of all annual flour flower sales, right? It's one of the busiest restaurant days. Yep. Uh obviously, yeah. No mom wants to cook, right? Hundred 113 million cards are sent in the U.S. alone for Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Uh over $2 billion in flowers are sent. Uh there are an estimated 87 million people in the U.S. dining out on Mother's Day. Yeah. One of the like I said, one of the busiest uh m restaurant days, obviously.

Where Mother's Day Came From

SPEAKER_02

Um how did Mother's Day get started? Do you guys know how to women had children?

SPEAKER_01

Thank you back in Genesis.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, if we want to really go back to the holiday that we call Mother's Day, do we know the origins of that?

SPEAKER_01

Hallmark had something to do with it.

SPEAKER_02

You know, that's what I always say. You know, it's all about the greeting cards. But yeah, that's what actually started before Hallmark, I'm I believe. Uh uh actually it has its roots back in like ancient Rome. I'm not gonna go back that far. But um uh in the church as a religious institution, kind of um churches started celebrating uh Mothering Sunday in the 1600s, and it's just kind of has has grown from there a way to a way to m to honor mothers. Mothering Sunday. A mothering Sunday in the in the United Kingdom, right? Oh man.

Gifts And Family Traditions

SPEAKER_02

Jordan, what are you getting your mom for Mother's Day?

SPEAKER_00

What I'm getting my mom. Um I haven't yet thought because sadly my mom is not near. Gotcha. So yeah. Gotta get creative. Gotta get creative. Gotcha. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I gotta think about this before we go on our trip because we get back on the night, but Mother's Day is the next morning. So I got a day and a half to figure this out.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I I don't want to say what I'm getting my mom just because I think she she might hear it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Don't want to give it away.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I don't want to give it away, but we're trying to get that stuff done early because my mom, not as far away as your mom is, Jordan, but my mom's across, you know, halfway across the country. So uh we're gonna send her a gift card to a certain place that she likes. So nice. Yeah. And uh yeah. What do you guys what do you guys what have you normally done for Mother's Day in your in your families?

SPEAKER_01

We usually would have her over to the house and we would cook. We'd we'd rarely will go out just because it's so crowded. It's crazy. Yeah, right. So we we would bring her over and you know, flowers and that kind of stuff. Yeah, just cards let her know how much we appreciate her. Yeah. We're we're we're blessed. My mom's still with us. So praise the Lord. Yeah, exactly. That's so cool.

SPEAKER_00

Typically at home, we would all the kids would cook in the morning and we'd have like a platter, yeah, morning platter, right? Things like that. I remember one time we bought like a bunch of petals and then we woke her up. Actually, that was probably not that nice. We woke we came in happy Mother's Day. She just woke up, we threw petals everywhere. Like rose petals, yes.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Interesting. So is Mother's Day the same day universally internationally? I think so.

SPEAKER_02

It's it's celebrated in over a hundred countries. It's not in every country, okay, but it is celebrated in over a hundred countries around the world, and I think it's is the same thing. That's a pretty rare thing. I mean, most holidays aren't kind of international things. They're cultural things. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. That's interesting. What does that tell us about mothers? Everybody has one.

SPEAKER_01

We all love our mommies. We do, don't we?

SPEAKER_02

We love our moms, man. Uh just yeah, it's something uh something about mom. We we would always uh you know, we go to church. Matter of fact, like that's one of the traditionally is one of the highest attended church days. Top three or four, probably. Top three, yeah, usually. Yeah. Used to be the second. Now it's it depends on the year. Sometimes it's so first is always Easter. Second is either Mother's Day or Christmas Eve. Yeah. You know, those are they kind of bounce back and forth a lot. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01

And and the churches you grew up in, did it seem to me this way. We always celebrated moms on Mother's Day, and we always beat the tar out of dads on Father's Day, right? Mom's you're awesome. Dad, you're horrible. Dad, you're doing a lousy job. Come on, man. Always that way. I'm like, wow, I feel bad for these guys.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we would always um go to uh not go, we we would go out sometimes, but pretty rare because it's just it's such a hassle. It's so busy to go out. So a lot of times we would just we'd go back to my mom's house, but we would uh we'd cook out there, you know. Me, me and my brother and my dad, and we would do that sometimes.

SPEAKER_01

Make her one of your famous peanut butter sandwiches.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I don't know if she's as crazy about them as I am, but uh she'll eat one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we would we would cook out just you know, I think for most moms, um I think they just I don't know, I'm should I'm not a mom, but they just like having everybody around. Yeah, absolutely. You know, and so uh so if you're trying to figure out what to do for your mom, if you can be around, right? Be around or at least call her. Reach out. Reach out. Yeah, that's that's the main thing. Um what do you do? This is a maybe a little bit different angle. What what do you do for your wife on Mother's Day? I don't have kids. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So I make sure that my sons acknowledge their mother.

SPEAKER_02

I'm I'm calling my kids, I'm texting their kids, my kids saying, hey, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And I'm I'm blessed, my boys both are really good about that. But yeah, that that's my answer, is just making sure, you know, she knows I appreciate her as the mother of my children, but yeah, I'm by do in order to do that, I make sure my boys are showing appreciation to her.

SPEAKER_02

What's the what why flowers on Mother's Day? Why why what's the big deal about flowers?

SPEAKER_01

You'd have to ask somebody else. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I but my wife, I also say this, I'm blessed in the sense that my wife cares not I don't I won't say cares nothing for flowers, but she does not want flowers. Right. Um that's just she's way too practical. Like she'd rather, you know, just I don't know, anything. I mean, just something she'd rather spend I mean, this is gonna sound like very arrogant. I don't mean it to bet be arrogant. She just wants to spend time with me. You know what I mean? That's and so whatever that looks like.

SPEAKER_00

And so mine doesn't want flowers, she wants plants.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Okay if I'm going to do flowers, something it's gonna be a point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It's not that she doesn't appreciate them and doesn't think that they're beautiful, she just yeah, exactly. So, but then again, I th she just likes having everybody around, and so and but but I try not to make her do all the all the work you know that comes with having everybody around, right? So yeah.

A Biblical Call To Honor

SPEAKER_02

So uh just kind of thinking maybe just a few moments biblically about Mother's Day. Is it is it something that like Christians should even celebrate? Or is it I mean, is it a big you know, why you know what what how should we think about it biblically? Um, how should we think about Mother's Day?

SPEAKER_01

Proverbs 31 always pops into my head, of course, right. You're talking about a wife of noble character, a woman of noble character, and and children who rise up and call her blessed because of her character, because of her way she's raised them and taking care of so many different things. And so, yeah, I think it's a biblical concept that we should honor our mother. Jesus honored his mother, his earthly mother.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I mean, we see he's making provisions for her, yeah, even at the cross, right? He he turns her over into the care of his pre you know, his best friend, John, right, in that sense. And so, um, yeah, he cares for his mom. He's he's making provision for her. I think you look at you mentioned Proverbs 31. I think as we think about our moms, man, like my mom is one of those people that just cannot sit still. You know what I mean? When I think of a Proverbs 31 woman, I think of her and I think of my wife in the same way because my wife cannot sit still. Right. I'm more than happy to sit still. I enjoy sitting still. But my man, my wife and my mom, they are like industrious people. You know what I mean? They're always working on something, doing something, getting something ready, thinking, you know, getting something ready for someone else. They just always doing things. My, you know, we'd always be uh I my my brother and my dad and I are in the living room watching a a game or something, and my mom's in the kitchen, you know, doing, you know, getting stuff ready, not not just food, but just just working on stuff, you know. Uh my mom worked uh for a lot of our childhood and uh we had we had a small hardware store and she ran it while my dad worked and as well. And so she's uh there she was just an industrious man. She uh I can remember just I'm just trying to think of like things about about my mom that stand out, but like I can remember saying, you know, if I had a problem or a uh you know, just something that was bugging me. Uh her her answer, it would just it just bugged me, but her answer was, have you prayed about it? Right. You know, I'm just like, come on, mom. I want a solution. I would I want yeah, and so uh she just my mom's a prayer warrior, she's industrious, she's she's what you would refer to as one of the kitchen ladies at the church, man. She's yeah, if there's a funeral, if there's a uh uh a wedding or reception or a fellowship or any kind of party at all, she's there with her friends and they're they are cooking away, serving away, and then all their husbands get roped in as well. Exactly. It's good, man. Yeah. So my mom just yeah, when I think of a Proverbs 31 woman, I think of my mom, I think of my wife, and just how how industrious they are, and just how they they are not idle. Even gosh, I sound I'm gonna make myself sound like a lazy bum, but my I go to bed usually before my wife does. I'm asleep before my wife's asleep, and she's up before I'm up. I mean, she just uh she's she's a worker man. And so uh yeah, I just I'm very thankful for those kind of examples, you know, that I've had in my mom and and from from my wife, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm blessed as well to have two women that uh both my mom and my wife who are set great examples, just keep me anchored. Yeah. Anchored in truth. Like your mom, you know, have you prayed about it? But I I've shared with the church many times it was my mom who taught me so much. My dad did as well, but but my mom really took the lead in just kind of making sure we were anchored in the word and and truth. And um so grateful. Yeah, for sure. Grateful for that. Yeah, you ask, does the the Bible you know give us direction? Um yeah, and and I went to Proverbs, but you could really go back further than that. You you can go to the Ten Commandments, and the fifth commandment is honor your father and mother your father and mother so that it may go well with you. It's the first one that comes with a promise, right? If you do this, it then this will go well. So exactly. Um so yeah, the this the Lord teaches us to honor those that He's put in authority over us.

SPEAKER_02

I was gonna ask you why to provide for us, right?

SPEAKER_01

Why is that important? Yeah, because there's there's this understanding of they have been put there by God's design for your good, for your benefit, for your discipleship. So listen to them and then honor them, right? Yep. Um so that you recognize their role in your life. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And you know, the scripture tells us to honor him who honor is due. And that's that's part of it, right? Um you know, there's a a level of um of care that comes from a mom. I mean, we have we have a mom and a dad, um both made in God's image, but the relationship you have with them is is different. That's different. Yeah. Like if I'm sick, you know, as a boy, do I do I want my dad or do I want my mom? I want my mom, you know? Uh it's just kind of there's a nurturing, there's a there's a care that is there. Um, and I think there's a bond there that's even that that men can cannot have in the sense of uh like she bore you, she carried you for nine months, she birthed, she gave birth to you. Uh there's just a a a connection there that that dads don't have. There's a different connection with with dads, obviously. But uh there's just a there's a nurturing that comes from moms that we typically don't get from from dads.

SPEAKER_01

Um and that relationship changes over time, but it but it it it doesn't really change, right? Right? There there is it it develops over time, but there is still that unique relationship that a mother has with her children.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and they both dad and mom display aspects of God's care for us and his character. And so God sometimes describes himself as as a father, but then his care for us a lot of times is described as a as a mother, even. And so really, really in interesting.

When Mother's Day Hurts

SPEAKER_02

Um Mother's Day, though it can be a can be a tough day sometimes, you know, for a lot of folks. I mean, there's for l a lot of reasons. Right um maybe maybe your mom has has passed away. Um maybe your mom has has left for whatever reason. Maybe your mom, I mean, just honestly, we live in a sinful, broken world. Maybe your relationship with your mom was challenging. Right. Um maybe she wasn't some of the things that we're describing. How do you deal like how do you honor a mom who isn't acting honorable, I guess, if you if you will, you know, how what do you do? Uh let me start the other way.

SPEAKER_01

And should you? Should you? Yeah. Yes, you should, yeah, because God commands us to. It might look different than honoring a mother who has been faithful to doing what God's called her to do, versus mothers who struggled to do that or did not do that or failed miserably at doing that. Right. I I let me start with the the the how would you honor a mother who has? Yeah. Yeah. Um I I I think attention, um, whether that's spending time with them, a phone call to them, you know, let them know that you are thinking about them. Give them give them attention, show them affection, whatever their love language is, you should know that. You know, if that is is that a card, is it flowers, is it a plant, is it time, is it just don't make me work today? Right. Whatever it is, you know, show them a show them affection. Um, and then I think most moms just want an assurance that you're okay. Right. They just want to know, okay, my kids are okay. Right. I I can rest if I know my kids are okay. And I would say that on a physical level, and I would say that on a spiritual level, right? You know, my mom's greatest desire was that her children would know the Lord, love the Lord, serve the Lord. So if if if your mom has that assurance that you're okay, you know, physically and spiritually, that what a great gift that is to honor your mom with. That's just good.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So that's that's what I would say for for those that are doing well. How do you honor those that aren't? That's a that's a more difficult question. And it it's it's hard for me to answer because I've not been in that situation. Sure. Right. Um, but I I I I would still I would still say the same thing. I I I I would still say give them attention. It may not it may be limited, but you know, show them some attention. Um show them some affection. Mom, I know our relationship isn't good, but I want you to know I still I still love you. Yeah. Um and then Mom, I'm okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm okay. God's got me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I I don't know. What do you what do you think? It's yeah, it is it's difficult. Um the we we honor our parents, like you said earlier, not because they're necessarily worthy of of honor, we honor them because it's a command from scripture. Right. And there's ways to to do that, um even if they have not been honorable. Um and some of the ways that uh that I've seen it just you've you've hit on most of them, is that you just keeping that relationship in intact, right? Keeping the the posture and inclination of of your of you toward them ought to be toward a relationship, if that makes sense. Um you may have to have boundaries depending on things, depending on past experiences, those kind of things. But at the same time, you can acknowledge them and be thankful for them that that they that they gave you birth, that um that they they did the best. Sometimes sometimes we don't know what our moms have have gone through.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And we don't know the whole situation in the background of what's going on, you know, in in in their in their in their lives. And man, they're doing the best that they can. Sure. You know, they're struggling through it the best that they can. Um but it at a minimum, again, I think just reaching out to them and and telling them if you if you know if you can get a hold of them still, tell them that that you that you're loving them, just kind of just stay just keeping that that connection, uh, especially with someone, especially with someone who's not a believer. I mean, uh you want to be able to share the gospel with them if you can. And so um but that's always uh and that's I think it's it's gonna be different for different people in different situations. And and so you again, you may have to have some borders, you may have to uh use discernment and and wisdom, but but you can still love them um and you you can still care for them and and re reach out, stay connected to them.

SPEAKER_01

I I think that's a great word. I I think having just leaving a door or a window open for reconciliation if there's a broken relationship. Just leave that open. But as you say, wisely, that doesn't necessarily mean you put yourself out there to be hurt as you have been in the past. You you you gotta be somewhat vulnerable to keep a door open. Yeah. But there needs to be boundaries. You know, don't don't put yourself back into situations where you're just gonna get hurt over and over again. But leaving that door open to um reconciliation is is is a great way to honor. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_02

And I think if you can, if you can remember the good the good things, right? I mean, maybe it's been a tough relationship for whatever reason, even if there's a abuse or of some sort. I mean, there's there's probably something good that you can re that you can remember. And and if you're if you have a relationship where you can talk to them, you can talk about those kind of things. So you can remember the good times for lack of a better of a better term, and to kind of celebrate those and be thankful for for those and um and and that those kind of things. What about I don't like being the whatabout guy. Uh what what about the whatabout guy? Well, you know, just the guy's always got to come up with some kind of exception, but yeah, but there are folks that I'll just be honest, Mandy and I struggled uh for 10 years with infertility. Um and that what you know, we so we it was 10 years before we had kids, and that wasn't our plan, that was God's plan. Right. And so the longer that went on, the harder Mother's Day became, you know, and uh um just how do we how do we celebrate moms in our churches and in our lives without rubbing salt in the wound, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

For for lack of a without rubbing salt in the wound or without apologizing for it, right? We shouldn't apologize for celebrating motherhood.

SPEAKER_02

And even you know, we were it was a tough day for Mandy, but we are but we still we we know what the good gift of mothers are, you know. And so yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you you you have to be sensitive, of course, um to those that have lost their moms, to those who are wanting to be moms who have not yet been blessed with that. Um but you don't apologize for celebrating motherhood as you as you say. So um, yeah, I I I think just reminding women that our contentment is found in our relationship with Christ, and that is sufficient. Yes. Um whether you're married or unmarried, whether you're a mother or not a mother, a father, not a father. Right. Our ultimate contentment is found in our relationship with Christ. And so dwell in that, re relish in that, yeah. Uh revel in that, and um then all the other things, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And trust, you know, just trust them with this plan for your life. I mean, it when we rush and try to get ahead and manipulate things sometimes, man, that's usually when we get in trouble.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, ask Abraham and Sarah how that works out.

SPEAKER_02

You know, you know, exactly. And and so um we just want to, you know, we we're in Genesis right now in our core groups. We've just studied Abraham, Sarah, we've studied uh, you know, uh Jacob and and and Rachel and just the whole Billah's ill f all the all that just crazy stuff, right? So um, but yeah, rest in the Lord, right? No, and the Lord is our shepherd, right? We shall not want if he's our portion, what else? What else do we need? I mean, it I'm not I don't want to be uns insensitive. I understand the I think it's a good if you have the longing to have children, I think that's a good thing. It is I think that's a godly thing. But we just have to trust him in that in his timing and his plan. And so, yeah. And if you're if you're my and sometimes Mother's Day is is tough because your mom's gone, you know. And so just be be aware of that, uh, folks around you and and uh uh and and and if that's your your situation, then celebrate your mom.

SPEAKER_01

Celebrate it. Thank God, think back through the blessings of your mom and and praise God for her, right? Exactly. Yeah, give God glory for what she meant to you and the impact she's had on your life.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Jordan just had a little cough and sniffle over there. Um do we need to call your mommy? Oh. I could. Why do I need to take mom? Cough drop.

Closing And Listener Requests

SPEAKER_02

Hey, we just want to say an early uh happy Mother's Day to all you moms out there. Thank you for joining us today on the Unsexy Church. Don't forget, give us a review, five-star rating. We're available on all the platforms. If you have questions, send them to us. We want to answer them the best we can. And remember, stay sexy out there. What? What? Unsexy. Unsexy. Oh gosh, stay unsexy. We have to splice something together there.