{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":8.055,"endTime":12.358,"body":"Thank you very much Chris and Gresham College for having me here today, and it's"},{"startTime":12.358,"endTime":16.662,"body":"a, a pleasure to see all of you here this afternoon, some familiar faces and"},{"startTime":16.662,"endTime":19.245,"body":"uh, a lot of people who I haven't met."},{"startTime":19.545,"endTime":20.405,"body":"So thank you very much."},{"startTime":21.145,"endTime":25.784,"body":"Um, I'm gonna be showing a lot of photographs during this lecture today, and I'm"},{"startTime":25.784,"endTime":29.805,"body":"gonna kind of start with a pause that will set hopefully the tone."},{"startTime":31.325,"endTime":35.454,"body":"The Gresham College lecture that you're listening to right now is giving you knowledge and"},{"startTime":35.454,"endTime":39.584,"body":"insight from one of the world's leading academic experts making it takes a lot of"},{"startTime":39.584,"endTime":43.714,"body":"time, 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is"},{"startTime":314.74,"endTime":316.205,"body":"your interest about victimizing people?"},{"startTime":316.585,"endTime":317.165,"body":"Is that it?"},{"startTime":318.115,"endTime":321.005,"body":"Then he said, I've always tried to be positive."},{"startTime":321.635,"endTime":326.675,"body":"I've always dreamt to show love to people and to receive love back as a"},{"startTime":326.675,"endTime":331.716,"body":"human being, but most of those things they want to instigate in the minds of"},{"startTime":331.716,"endTime":332.725,"body":"people is hatred."},{"startTime":333.515,"endTime":334.805,"body":"They couldn't push me to that."},{"startTime":334.865,"endTime":340.383,"body":"He said, no matter how hard they tried, they couldn't push me towards hating other"},{"startTime":340.383,"endTime":345.901,"body":"people, but if you ask me, they pushed me to the extent that you start"},{"startTime":345.901,"endTime":348.845,"body":"to question yourself, to question what is 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it."},{"startTime":382.785,"endTime":383.885,"body":"We said our goodbyes."},{"startTime":384.355,"endTime":385.805,"body":"I'll never forget talking to him."},{"startTime":386.395,"endTime":389.285,"body":"This was immigration detention in the uk."},{"startTime":391.415,"endTime":397.287,"body":"Colin Brook Immigration Removal Center is one of seven immigration detention centers in the uk"},{"startTime":397.287,"endTime":399.245,"body":"located adjacent to Heathrow Airport."},{"startTime":399.265,"endTime":403.915,"body":"But well out of view from the public, there are three meter high fencing with"},{"startTime":403.915,"endTime":408.565,"body":"barbed wire fences enclosing it, and those inside can hear the planes coming and going."},{"startTime":408.835,"endTime":414.786,"body":"Each roar of a plane, a reminder of their own possible fate on the other"},{"startTime":414.786,"endTime":420.738,"body":"side of the world, a one hour drive outside of Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia, similar"},{"startTime":420.738,"endTime":426.69,"body":"fencing and barbed wire surround an immigration detention center holding several hundred immigrants per day"},{"startTime":426.69,"endTime":432.245,"body":"in the United States, which has the largest immigration detention system in the world."},{"startTime":432.475,"endTime":438.108,"body":"Immigration prisons are spread across the west coast and southern border and southeast isolated in"},{"startTime":438.108,"endTime":443.742,"body":"the middle of a of nowhere in central Texas, or buried in the vastness of"},{"startTime":443.742,"endTime":449.375,"body":"a desert in New Mexico are out of view within the buildings of an office"},{"startTime":449.375,"endTime":452.005,"body":"park in the suburbs of Denver, Colorado."},{"startTime":453.015,"endTime":458.94,"body":"While in the interior of the United States, local jails serve as the primary apparatus"},{"startTime":458.94,"endTime":460.125,"body":"for detaining immigrants."},{"startTime":460.755,"endTime":466.742,"body":"Some of the jails are placed far out of sight in agricultural farmlands, while others"},{"startTime":466.742,"endTime":472.73,"body":"are placed right in the center of a typical small town Midwestern county square, like"},{"startTime":472.73,"endTime":478.717,"body":"in Brazil, Indiana, in European countries like Belgium, Greece, the Netherlands and Italy, these sites"},{"startTime":478.717,"endTime":484.705,"body":"of immigration detention take on many different forms from that of, of a facility next"},{"startTime":484.705,"endTime":490.693,"body":"to a metropolitan airport, to military bank, uh, barracks in a remote mountain forest or"},{"startTime":490.693,"endTime":494.685,"body":"even to an ordinary looking apartment complex in a suburb."},{"startTime":495.625,"endTime":501.375,"body":"The physical forms and shapes of these places often vary creatively, so from one place"},{"startTime":501.375,"endTime":502.525,"body":"to the next."},{"startTime":503.335,"endTime":508.565,"body":"These systems of incarceration and injustice often elude definition to the public."},{"startTime":509.225,"endTime":515.597,"body":"But one of the constants through all of these places, processes and systems, regardless of"},{"startTime":515.597,"endTime":521.969,"body":"location, is the emotional and psychological trauma they have and with with those men, women"},{"startTime":521.969,"endTime":528.341,"body":"and children who experience them and even those local citizens who work to assist them,"},{"startTime":528.341,"endTime":532.165,"body":"and this trauma often alludes public attention as well."},{"startTime":533.735,"endTime":537.288,"body":"These are some of the places that I want to take you to during this"},{"startTime":537.288,"endTime":537.525,"body":"lecture."},{"startTime":538.185,"endTime":543.181,"body":"The voices and stories of those who I've met in these places will serve as"},{"startTime":543.181,"endTime":546.845,"body":"our guides and doorways into the human cost of immigration detention."},{"startTime":547.905,"endTime":553.942,"body":"Uh, I'm a documentary photographer, visual storyteller and independent scholar, and I've dedicated 20 years"},{"startTime":553.942,"endTime":559.98,"body":"of my career to long-term projects that explore the intersection of human rights, inequality, injustice,"},{"startTime":559.98,"endTime":564.005,"body":"genocide, identity, and most importantly the power of the state."},{"startTime":564.555,"endTime":570.565,"body":"Through books, exhibitions, film, performance, multimedia and other non-traditional modes of dissemination."},{"startTime":570.695,"endTime":576.005,"body":"These projects often result in collaborations that cross over into multiple disciplines."},{"startTime":577.585,"endTime":580.565,"body":"My work on immigration detention came about organically."},{"startTime":581.105,"endTime":586.64,"body":"It was a natural extension of an 11 year project I worked on from 2005"},{"startTime":586.64,"endTime":588.485,"body":"to 2016 called Nowhere People."},{"startTime":589.785,"endTime":595.758,"body":"The project documented the struggles of stateless communities and people around the world who had"},{"startTime":595.758,"endTime":601.732,"body":"been arbitrarily depl, deprived or stripped of their citizenship, mostly as a result of state"},{"startTime":601.732,"endTime":603.325,"body":"driven discrimination and racism."},{"startTime":604.865,"endTime":609.942,"body":"The project attempted to show the effects statelessness had on people in these communities as"},{"startTime":609.942,"endTime":615.02,"body":"well as the consequences of the deprivation of nationality had on their access or lack"},{"startTime":615.02,"endTime":618.405,"body":"of access to any number of different rights and opportunities."},{"startTime":619.475,"endTime":625.222,"body":"Nowhere people was a project about human rights, identity and belonging, but it was also"},{"startTime":625.222,"endTime":630.97,"body":"a project about the power of the state to arbitrarily exclude entire communities with total"},{"startTime":630.97,"endTime":636.718,"body":"impunity from the very fabric of modern society using citizenship as the weapon weapon to"},{"startTime":636.718,"endTime":637.485,"body":"accomplish this."},{"startTime":638.595,"endTime":644.34,"body":"Towards the end of that project, I was documenting the stories of people in Europe,"},{"startTime":644.34,"endTime":647.405,"body":"Italy, Malta, Serbia, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands."},{"startTime":648.195,"endTime":653.817,"body":"Many stateless people shared stories, um, of the vicious cycle of immigration detention they had"},{"startTime":653.817,"endTime":659.44,"body":"experienced because of the lack of documentation and they could not be deported back to"},{"startTime":659.44,"endTime":665.062,"body":"some, to anywhere across the table from me inside the detention center at the Rome"},{"startTime":665.062,"endTime":670.685,"body":"airport, a Palestinian man told me every time I come here, my health gets worse."},{"startTime":671.425,"endTime":673.725,"body":"He had lived in Italy for over 30 years."},{"startTime":674.185,"endTime":679.645,"body":"It was his seventh time being detained on a rooftop in Malta."},{"startTime":680.245,"endTime":684.805,"body":"I stood with a man from Sierra Leone, a group of pigeons swooped overhead."},{"startTime":685.345,"endTime":688.965,"body":"He looked at the birds, closed his eyes, and then he smiled."},{"startTime":689.645,"endTime":692.925,"body":"I could only imagine where his thoughts took him at that moment."},{"startTime":693.885,"endTime":696.085,"body":"I felt like I would never get out of detention."},{"startTime":696.545,"endTime":701.5,"body":"He had said to me earlier that day, and he had spent almost two years"},{"startTime":701.5,"endTime":706.125,"body":"incarcerated sitting on a couch rolling a cigarette in an apartment in the Netherlands."},{"startTime":706.685,"endTime":710.525,"body":"A man originally from Uzbekistan says, I can't trust people anymore."},{"startTime":711.225,"endTime":712.485,"body":"It doesn't matter who you are."},{"startTime":712.795,"endTime":714.285,"body":"Detention changed me."},{"startTime":715.105,"endTime":716.925,"body":"My wife calls me an oyster."},{"startTime":717.465,"endTime":718.805,"body":"You're always shut."},{"startTime":719.225,"endTime":723.125,"body":"She says, I used to be cheerful, but I'm grouchy these days."},{"startTime":723.765,"endTime":724.845,"body":"I can see it in myself."},{"startTime":725.485,"endTime":729.805,"body":"I just don't feel stateless sometimes I simply don't know who I am anymore."},{"startTime":730.965,"endTime":735.652,"body":"Detained multiple times he had spent three and a half years of his life in"},{"startTime":735.652,"endTime":735.965,"body":"detention."},{"startTime":737.695,"endTime":743.033,"body":"Their stories were unlike any I'd heard before and exposed yet another trauma inflicted by"},{"startTime":743.033,"endTime":745.525,"body":"a form of structural and systematic violence."},{"startTime":745.965,"endTime":748.405,"body":"I felt demanded more investigation and attention."},{"startTime":749.285,"endTime":752.645,"body":"I knew immigration detention would be that next project."},{"startTime":754.485,"endTime":758.76,"body":"Learning about those experiences of immigration detention at the time also raised a number of"},{"startTime":758.76,"endTime":759.045,"body":"questions."},{"startTime":759.045,"endTime":764.325,"body":"For me, attention is almost always dedicated on documenting the journey and the injustices people"},{"startTime":764.325,"endTime":769.605,"body":"face in the countries they flee from, and the arduous journey they take to get"},{"startTime":769.605,"endTime":773.125,"body":"to that place where they can seek safety and security."},{"startTime":774.145,"endTime":779.405,"body":"And in many cases, the story stops there, they've made it or they haven't."},{"startTime":780.615,"endTime":780.965,"body":"Today."},{"startTime":780.965,"endTime":786.875,"body":"Millions of people worldwide continue to flee wars, conflicts in, uh, human rights, abuse, the"},{"startTime":786.875,"endTime":792.785,"body":"collapse of states and economies and climate change and have left their homes in search"},{"startTime":792.785,"endTime":798.695,"body":"of a better life simultaneously, the B, the debate over issues of immigration and national"},{"startTime":798.695,"endTime":804.606,"body":"security have grown more intertwined, intolerant and extreme, but for hundreds of thousands of people"},{"startTime":804.606,"endTime":810.516,"body":"arriving at that place after, after they have spent months and sometimes years and during"},{"startTime":810.516,"endTime":816.426,"body":"violence, insecurity, the trauma just to get to that destination where they will believe they"},{"startTime":816.426,"endTime":822.336,"body":"will be extended safety and sanctuary turns out to be another traumatic phase in that"},{"startTime":822.336,"endTime":823.125,"body":"continuing journey."},{"startTime":825.185,"endTime":831.117,"body":"For decades, men, women, and children have been apprehended and locked away for months and"},{"startTime":831.117,"endTime":837.05,"body":"even years for nonviolent civil immigration offenses detained administratively as their cases are being heard"},{"startTime":837.05,"endTime":842.983,"body":"or as their asylum claims are being considered, or as they await deportation, they're removed"},{"startTime":842.983,"endTime":848.125,"body":"from society and languish in an ever expanding web of prison-like immigration detentions."},{"startTime":848.625,"endTime":854.682,"body":"The psychological trauma and collateral damage detention has not only on the detained but also"},{"startTime":854.682,"endTime":859.125,"body":"on family, friends, and others is long lasting and often paralyzing."},{"startTime":860.425,"endTime":866.62,"body":"For many immigration detention oftentimes is that point in a person's journey where they are"},{"startTime":866.62,"endTime":868.685,"body":"pushed to their breaking point."},{"startTime":869.635,"endTime":875.669,"body":"Systems of injustice are often elusive in form and shape policy structures, governments put in"},{"startTime":875.669,"endTime":878.485,"body":"place that fuel the detention of vulnerable."},{"startTime":878.485,"endTime":882.685,"body":"Non-citizens are often opaque, disorienting, and ever changing."},{"startTime":883.395,"endTime":888.662,"body":"This makes them more challenging to understand, which makes them more challenging to combat, which"},{"startTime":888.662,"endTime":892.525,"body":"makes those who are caught in them even feel more powerless."},{"startTime":893.505,"endTime":898.521,"body":"The coverage and discussion of issues of migration in immigration are often reduced down to"},{"startTime":898.521,"endTime":899.525,"body":"black and white."},{"startTime":899.625,"endTime":905.303,"body":"Yet in reality there's a lot of gray in between and this is the space"},{"startTime":905.303,"endTime":910.982,"body":"where I have always worked as a photographer, my role is to show and visually"},{"startTime":910.982,"endTime":915.525,"body":"translate what these systems actually look like and how they impact people."},{"startTime":916.445,"endTime":921.937,"body":"I spent the next seven years exploring policies, practices and the geographies of immigration detention"},{"startTime":921.937,"endTime":925.965,"body":"in several countries around the world and it's through this journey."},{"startTime":926.345,"endTime":932.263,"body":"The work not only documents the topography of immigration detention but ultimately looks beyond the"},{"startTime":932.263,"endTime":938.181,"body":"physical architecture of detention through the stories of the people that I met along the"},{"startTime":938.181,"endTime":944.099,"body":"way, the project asks us to expand how we think about detention and the incarceration"},{"startTime":944.099,"endTime":950.017,"body":"of immigrants from not just about the physicality of the walls of the detention center,"},{"startTime":950.017,"endTime":955.935,"body":"but to the emotional, psychological and mental impact these places and policies have on people"},{"startTime":955.935,"endTime":956.725,"body":"and communities."},{"startTime":958.275,"endTime":963.597,"body":"What happens to people once they arrive at that place are long after they arrived"},{"startTime":963.597,"endTime":968.565,"body":"in that place where the idea of safety and sanctuary is often a myth."},{"startTime":969.905,"endTime":976.667,"body":"How is the very existence of immigration detention and its current placement with an immigration"},{"startTime":976.667,"endTime":983.43,"body":"and asylum policy, a reflection on countries that profess ideals of freedom, tolerance, democracy, rule"},{"startTime":983.43,"endTime":985.685,"body":"of law, respect and opportunity."},{"startTime":987.325,"endTime":991.353,"body":"I was drawn to explore this because I was born in one of those countries"},{"startTime":991.353,"endTime":994.845,"body":"and this prestigious lecture hall is located in one of them as well."},{"startTime":996.145,"endTime":1001.151,"body":"For 11 years, I've embedded myself into the issue of statelessness, supported the grants and"},{"startTime":1001.151,"endTime":1001.485,"body":"fellowships."},{"startTime":1001.945,"endTime":1006.268,"body":"I'd managed to sustain that project to document the lives of stateless people in 18"},{"startTime":1006.268,"endTime":1006.845,"body":"different countries."},{"startTime":1007.265,"endTime":1012.671,"body":"Little did I know that statelessness would introduce me to the issue of immigration detention"},{"startTime":1012.671,"endTime":1018.077,"body":"having lived and been based in Southeast Asia all of those years, the journey for"},{"startTime":1018.077,"endTime":1023.483,"body":"this next long term project on immigration detention would become the project seven doors and"},{"startTime":1023.483,"endTime":1025.285,"body":"it would begin in Malaysia"},{"startTime":1034.105,"endTime":1039.073,"body":"For decades now, Burma has been the largest producer of migrants and refugees in Southeast"},{"startTime":1039.073,"endTime":1039.405,"body":"Asia."},{"startTime":1040.345,"endTime":1046.271,"body":"Ethnic groups indigenous to Burma like the Chin Man, Rohingya Han, Karen and Kain have"},{"startTime":1046.271,"endTime":1052.198,"body":"been subjected to human rights abuse, religious persecution and brutal oppression and conflict from the"},{"startTime":1052.198,"endTime":1058.125,"body":"Burmese military for the Rohingya genocide has pushed hundreds of thousands out of the country."},{"startTime":1058.885,"endTime":1061.605,"body":"Malaysia has been the adopted sanctuary for many."},{"startTime":1062.725,"endTime":1067.645,"body":"Malaysia is not a signatory to the UN convention, uh, refugee convention and its unsympathetic."},{"startTime":1067.645,"endTime":1072.805,"body":"Immigration laws do not recognize the difference between a refugee, a asylum seeker, a stateless"},{"startTime":1072.805,"endTime":1077.965,"body":"person with that of up to 3 million undocumented migrants living and working in Malaysia."},{"startTime":1078.475,"endTime":1083.562,"body":"They all shoulder the the stigma of illegality in the eyes of Malaysian policy and"},{"startTime":1083.562,"endTime":1088.65,"body":"as a result, refugees in a asylum seekers have no legal status in Malaysia and"},{"startTime":1088.65,"endTime":1090.685,"body":"no right to protection as well."},{"startTime":1091.645,"endTime":1097.72,"body":"Regardless of being registered with the U-N-H-C-R or not, Malaysian policy has left tens of"},{"startTime":1097.72,"endTime":1103.795,"body":"thousands vulnerable to exploitation, abuse, arbitrary arrest and detention in one of Malaysia's 20 immigration"},{"startTime":1103.795,"endTime":1104.605,"body":"detention centers."},{"startTime":1107.155,"endTime":1113.689,"body":"Immigration raids are a co regular occurrence in Malaysia, in cities, in tourist areas, in"},{"startTime":1113.689,"endTime":1114.125,"body":"workplaces."},{"startTime":1114.255,"endTime":1116.485,"body":"These raids have been ongoing for decades."},{"startTime":1117.665,"endTime":1124.122,"body":"Images I took of immigration raids in 2007 and 2017 are just as relevant today"},{"startTime":1124.122,"endTime":1125.845,"body":"as they were then."},{"startTime":1126.565,"endTime":1132.027,"body":"A recent human rights report states to how over 800 enforcement operations were held in"},{"startTime":1132.027,"endTime":1137.125,"body":"January of this year, resulting in the arrest of over 4,000 people in Malaysia."},{"startTime":1137.175,"endTime":1141.577,"body":"There is no maximum amount of time someone can spend in detention the same as"},{"startTime":1141.577,"endTime":1143.045,"body":"here in the United Kingdom."},{"startTime":1143.705,"endTime":1148.693,"body":"And as a consequence, a constant state of fear along with the looming threat of"},{"startTime":1148.693,"endTime":1152.685,"body":"the detention permeates throughout the day-to-Day life of refugees and asylum seekers."},{"startTime":1153.355,"endTime":1158.437,"body":"Here are two stories from a two week period of time in February, 2017, the"},{"startTime":1158.437,"endTime":1163.52,"body":"morning of the 25th of February, one of my contacts from the Chin ethnic community"},{"startTime":1163.52,"endTime":1168.602,"body":"in Kuala Lumpur called me about a raid that had just happened at an apartment"},{"startTime":1168.602,"endTime":1173.685,"body":"complex in the middle of the night when I arrived, residents were still in shock."},{"startTime":1174.315,"endTime":1177.965,"body":"Between 50 and a hundred immigration officers and police arrived last night."},{"startTime":1178.265,"endTime":1183.351,"body":"One of the residents told me they went from apartment to the, from apartment to"},{"startTime":1183.351,"endTime":1185.725,"body":"the department asking to see everyone's documents."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1186.065,"endTime":1191.175,"body":"00 AM I when I, uh, at least"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1191.175,"endTime":1196.285,"body":"a hundred people were arrested, I was introduced to the uncle of 20-year-old do Chung."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1196.545,"endTime":1200.974,"body":"The young man had arrived in Malaysia two years earlier after fleeing abuse from the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1200.974,"endTime":1201.565,"body":"Burmese military."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1202.565,"endTime":1205.19,"body":"I was the one who had to take care of him and look out for"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1205.19,"endTime":1205.365,"body":"him."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1205.625,"endTime":1210.281,"body":"The uncle had said he anticipated his nephew would be in detention for three to"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1210.281,"endTime":1212.765,"body":"four months and then deported back to Myanmar."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1213.075,"endTime":1215.885,"body":"Then he said, we live in fear of being arrested."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1216.145,"endTime":1217.685,"body":"We live in fear all the time."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1218.625,"endTime":1221.995,"body":"We walked up one floor, knocked on the door and a man let us into"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1221.995,"endTime":1222.445,"body":"the apartment."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1223.065,"endTime":1228.746,"body":"The apartment was hot and narrow with two or three rooms, stale air, claustrophobic yet"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1228.746,"endTime":1229.125,"body":"clean."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1230.065,"endTime":1233.329,"body":"He took me to one of those rooms and pointed out a large hole in"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1233.329,"endTime":1233.765,"body":"the ceiling."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1234.155,"endTime":1238.447,"body":"Then proceeded to tell me the story of a young woman who managed to evade"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1238.447,"endTime":1240.165,"body":"the the raid but was injured."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1241.585,"endTime":1243.165,"body":"She was staying in this small room."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1243.425,"endTime":1247.005,"body":"He said they were banging on the door to the apartment downstairs."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1247.695,"endTime":1251.845,"body":"Eventually they broke the door and then broke the doors to many of our apartments."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1252.665,"endTime":1254.685,"body":"She was so scared of being arrested."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1255.025,"endTime":1258.885,"body":"She climbed up into the ceiling and hid there until after they left."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1259.735,"endTime":1262.165,"body":"After they left, she fell through the ceiling."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1262.635,"endTime":1267.205,"body":"This is the hole that she fell through just a week earlier."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1267.315,"endTime":1268.165,"body":"Another raid."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1268.195,"endTime":1273.425,"body":"This time at a factory outside of Kuala Lumpur resulted in several people being arrested"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1273.425,"endTime":1278.656,"body":"and put into Lan gang detention center, including 24-year-old woman and mother from the Chin"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1278.656,"endTime":1279.005,"body":"community."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1279.745,"endTime":1284.451,"body":"I'm sitting in front of the woman's husband and 6-year-old son in their two room"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1284.451,"endTime":1284.765,"body":"apartment."},{"speaker":"It went 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detention."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1312.595,"endTime":1315.836,"body":"They sentenced her to 10 months and I don't know for what reason, but it"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1315.836,"endTime":1316.485,"body":"is too long."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1316.945,"endTime":1321.607,"body":"She shares a room with 13 other people and she's the only one who speaks"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1321.607,"endTime":1324.405,"body":"Burmese, so she has no one to talk with."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1325.225,"endTime":1329.445,"body":"Now I can't contact her, so I am so worried about her every day."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1330.395,"endTime":1335.526,"body":"Several other trips were occurred over Malaysia and I would meet people from most of"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1335.526,"endTime":1340.657,"body":"the ethnic communities in Burma, all living in fear of arrest and for me, the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1340.657,"endTime":1345.789,"body":"hole in the ceiling, the stare from that 6-year-old boy and the loss in the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1345.789,"endTime":1350.92,"body":"voice of his father came to represent life of migrants and asylum seekers from Burma"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1350.92,"endTime":1351.605,"body":"in Malaysia."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1351.665,"endTime":1357.678,"body":"For me, the measures they would take to avoid detention and the trauma of family"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1357.678,"endTime":1360.485,"body":"separated because of detention in many ways."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1361.205,"endTime":1365.238,"body":"Malaysia set the tone for the next four years of this project, which would be"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1365.238,"endTime":1366.045,"body":"the United States."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1374.345,"endTime":1379.622,"body":"Carnes County Residential Detention Center is located in the middle of nowhere, just over one"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1379.622,"endTime":1382.085,"body":"hour's drive from San Antonio and Texas."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1383.475,"endTime":1387.473,"body":"This was the first long field mission in the United States for the project, and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1387.473,"endTime":1391.205,"body":"Carnes was one of the first large immigration detention centers I had ever seen."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1392.445,"endTime":1396.991,"body":"A one hour drive is nothing for anybody who's grown up in the United States,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1396.991,"endTime":1400.325,"body":"but the drive from San Antonio to Kanes felt like ours."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1401.025,"endTime":1406.805,"body":"The turnoff of Texas State Highway 180 1 is one I will always remember."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1407.705,"endTime":1414.119,"body":"On the corner sits Kanes County Correctional Center, a medium security level prison holding US"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1414.119,"endTime":1416.685,"body":"offenders of state and federal crimes."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1417.235,"endTime":1422.392,"body":"Through the chain link fencing, I could see and hear large groups of men in"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1422.392,"endTime":1427.55,"body":"prison uniforms scattered and moving about in the outdoor recreational area, sitting and talking with"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1427.55,"endTime":1430.645,"body":"each other or playing basketball in the midday sun."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1432.365,"endTime":1437.682,"body":"Adjacent to the prison, a few hundred meters down the road is Carnes County Residential"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1437.682,"endTime":1442.645,"body":"Detention Center, an immigration detention center operated by the private prison company Geo Group."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1443.155,"endTime":1449.552,"body":"It's an expansive, solid white structure surrounded by multiple layers of wire of barbed wire"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1449.552,"endTime":1450.405,"body":"security fencing."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1450.725,"endTime":1454.325,"body":"A security van slowly made its way around the perimeter."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1455.105,"endTime":1457.725,"body":"We parked the car on the side of the road and turned the engine off."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1458.285,"endTime":1463.685,"body":"I opened the door to the car and nothing silence mixed with a dry and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1463.685,"endTime":1468.725,"body":"hot light wind across the Texas landscape that felt vacant and empty and empty."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1469.265,"endTime":1474.743,"body":"The prison down the street had windows and a recreation area and beyond the security"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1474.743,"endTime":1476.205,"body":"fencing displayed the landscape."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1477.065,"endTime":1480.165,"body":"Carnes was windowless and open."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1480.265,"endTime":1486.448,"body":"Any open air recreational area inside was enclosed by solid exterior walls removed from the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1486.448,"endTime":1492.632,"body":"view of anyone inside with a rolling fields of swaying green grass surrounding the detention"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1492.632,"endTime":1493.045,"body":"center."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1493.865,"endTime":1498.44,"body":"An oil rig slowly bobbing up and down or a car or a truck or"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1498.44,"endTime":1502.405,"body":"a motorcycle or even a yellow school bus passing by on the distance."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1502.405,"endTime":1507.941,"body":"In highway 180 1, white clouds about as white as the exterior walls of the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1507.941,"endTime":1510.525,"body":"of the facility floated in the sky."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1511.025,"endTime":1516.008,"body":"But for anyone inside, they would never see how these clouds stretched all the way"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1516.008,"endTime":1517.005,"body":"to the horizon."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1517.905,"endTime":1520.805,"body":"The silence was eerie to me."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1521.355,"endTime":1528.163,"body":"This windowless fortress said to all of those people inside, I have no windows and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1528.163,"endTime":1529.525,"body":"this is deliberate."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1530.265,"endTime":1534.321,"body":"You might be here in the United States, but this system will do everything in"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1534.321,"endTime":1536.485,"body":"its power to never permit you to stay."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1537.185,"endTime":1540.325,"body":"We won't even let you see what is beyond these walls."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1541.145,"endTime":1541.645,"body":"Go ahead."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1542.075,"endTime":1544.965,"body":"Imagine what it might mu might be like out there."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1545.395,"endTime":1549.725,"body":"What your life might by be like out there will never let you have it."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1550.135,"endTime":1551.245,"body":"Don't even think about it."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1551.665,"endTime":1554.605,"body":"You are here but you don't exist to us."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1556.045,"endTime":1559.445,"body":"I always knew the centerpiece of the Seven Doors project would be the United States."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1560.055,"endTime":1564.756,"body":"Since the Reagan years, the US has developed the largest immigration detention estate in the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1564.756,"endTime":1569.457,"body":"world, and at that time, the election of Donald Trump, it was clear the use"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1569.457,"endTime":1571.965,"body":"of detention would expand and become more aggressive."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1572.855,"endTime":1577.398,"body":"After living and working in Asia for nearly 20 years, my partner and I relocated"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1577.398,"endTime":1581.941,"body":"back to North America and set out to see for ourselves what this system looked"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1581.941,"endTime":1586.484,"body":"like in the United States, how it was being used and how it was impacting"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1586.484,"endTime":1588.605,"body":"the lives of people, families, and communities."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1590.155,"endTime":1596.78,"body":"Over the next four years, we would drive our car across 40,000 miles of interstates,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1596.78,"endTime":1603.405,"body":"highways, and country roads, travel to 25 states, photograph 34, immigration detention centers along the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1603.405,"endTime":1610.03,"body":"west coast, southern border, and southeast, including three children, migrant camps and 35 county jails"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1610.03,"endTime":1614.005,"body":"scattered throughout the states in the center in Midwest."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1614.745,"endTime":1617.805,"body":"I'd also conduct over 200 hours of interviews."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1619.185,"endTime":1625.238,"body":"The visual representation of this extensive web of immigration detention, uh, prisons in the United"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1625.238,"endTime":1630.485,"body":"States usually comes in the form of an illustrated graphic map or infographics."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1631.795,"endTime":1637.44,"body":"This leaves most with an abstract and intangible picture that is left merely to the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1637.44,"endTime":1643.085,"body":"imagination to then construct what the scope and scale of this system actually looks like."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1644.125,"endTime":1649.73,"body":"I wanted to translate the geography of this system and create for the first time"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1649.73,"endTime":1655.336,"body":"a visual survey, a photographic atlas of this system, and hopefully address my own questions"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1655.336,"endTime":1657.205,"body":"like how vast is it?"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1657.655,"endTime":1663.746,"body":"Where are these places, how isolated are they and how does the intentional isolation of"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1663.746,"endTime":1669.838,"body":"them reflect the emotion and mental isolation of those people who are detained inside of"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1669.838,"endTime":1670.245,"body":"them?"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1671.705,"endTime":1678.741,"body":"And so from the Pacific Northwest, we start a little bit of a condensed journey"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1678.741,"endTime":1685.777,"body":"of that trip in Tacoma, Washington where a detention center is buried in an industrial"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1685.777,"endTime":1692.814,"body":"area and Sheridan, Oregon where the detention center's out in, in a farming area or"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1692.814,"endTime":1699.85,"body":"in the desert of Adelanto California or just along the border in outside of San"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1699.85,"endTime":1706.887,"body":"Diego, California or in the nothingness of scrub brush in San Luis Arizona or directly"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1706.887,"endTime":1713.923,"body":"adjacent to an over 55 community mobile home park in Florence, Arizona or in the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1713.923,"endTime":1720.96,"body":"vastness of the landscape of Sierra Blanca in Texas or in Del Rio, Texas, or"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1720.96,"endTime":1727.996,"body":"next to a baseball diamond in Taylor, Texas or lost in the night in Dilley,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1727.996,"endTime":1735.032,"body":"Texas, which is the largest children, uh, family detention center in the United States or"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1735.032,"endTime":1742.069,"body":"buried behind a grain elevator on a rural highway in Basle, Louisiana or in the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1742.069,"endTime":1749.105,"body":"forest in Jenna, Louisiana or out in the middle of nowhere in not just Mississippi"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1749.105,"endTime":1756.142,"body":"or probably one of the most isolated places I've ever been to in Lumpkin, Georgia"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1756.142,"endTime":1763.178,"body":"or in Farmville Virginia or in a warehouse section right next to the Newark Airport"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1763.178,"endTime":1765.055,"body":"in Elizabeth, New Jersey."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1767.995,"endTime":1773.931,"body":"The isolated desolate location of these immigration detention centers is representative of the strategy ICE"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1773.931,"endTime":1779.867,"body":"and DHS has taken to assure these facilities are outta the sight of the American"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1779.867,"endTime":1785.803,"body":"public, difficult for families to reach and visit, challenging for civil society to monitor and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1785.803,"endTime":1789.365,"body":"demanding for lawyers to have access to their clients."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1790.555,"endTime":1795.699,"body":"Most of all it does everything it can to erode the ability of those being"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1795.699,"endTime":1800.843,"body":"detained from maintaining their own sense of personhood and their connection to the world, their"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1800.843,"endTime":1805.645,"body":"communities and the lives they had or the life they were hoping to have."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1806.025,"endTime":1810.537,"body":"And this same strategy is present in nearly all of the countries that I've visited,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1810.537,"endTime":1813.245,"body":"including here and at least in the United States."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1813.355,"endTime":1821.164,"body":"They're also representative of the entangled relationship between political interest, power, and profit driven corporate"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1821.164,"endTime":1821.685,"body":"America."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1822.145,"endTime":1828.653,"body":"As 90% of the people held today in immigration detention are held in for-profit detention"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1828.653,"endTime":1832.125,"body":"facilities owned and operated by multi-billion dollar companies."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1833.125,"endTime":1837.285,"body":"I met and interviewed people whose lives have impacted and traumatized by detention."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1837.795,"endTime":1842.701,"body":"This would include individuals who were in detention, people who had been in detention and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1842.701,"endTime":1847.608,"body":"released on bond or who had been in detention and deported to countries all over"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1847.608,"endTime":1852.515,"body":"the world, not just to Mexico or South America, but to Africa, the Middle East,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1852.515,"endTime":1854.805,"body":"the uh, the Middle East and Asia."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1855.675,"endTime":1861.502,"body":"Stories of women who had been abused in detention while pregnant of individuals from the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1861.502,"endTime":1867.329,"body":"Chan transgender community who said the discrimination they were subjected to by security personnel in"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1867.329,"endTime":1873.156,"body":"detention was worse than the violence and discrimination they faced back in their home country,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1873.156,"endTime":1878.983,"body":"which was the primary reason for leaving for fleeing to the United States of families,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1878.983,"endTime":1884.811,"body":"separated of stories of those crushed by the experience of detention and left shellshocked and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1884.811,"endTime":1886.365,"body":"lost after being deported."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1886.855,"endTime":1893.798,"body":"These interviews would expand out to people who were immigration lawyers, mental health workers and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1893.798,"endTime":1900.741,"body":"volunteers and visitation programs, as well as those individuals and groups who carried out small"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1900.741,"endTime":1907.684,"body":"and large acts of resistance to push back on detention and the system for all"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1907.684,"endTime":1914.627,"body":"these people, these US citizens, assisting people in detention, seeing, feeling and listening to their"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1914.627,"endTime":1920.645,"body":"stories, while also confronting the realities of the US Immigration and asylum system."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1921.025,"endTime":1927.153,"body":"It all had a deep impact on their lives, their stories and perspectives provided even"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1927.153,"endTime":1929.605,"body":"more invaluable doors into immigration detention."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1930.065,"endTime":1933.685,"body":"The mechanics of the system and the injustices of it all."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1934.835,"endTime":1939.085,"body":"I've made no attempt to photograph inside any of these facilities."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1939.825,"endTime":1946.138,"body":"Why almost every person I talked to who shared their story with me talked about"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1946.138,"endTime":1952.451,"body":"that moment in detention in the United States when they were forced to shed their"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1952.451,"endTime":1958.765,"body":"personal clothing and assume a label of criminality by wearing a color coded prison uniform."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1959.825,"endTime":1964.702,"body":"Nearly all these people I spoke with had never been in jail before or prison"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1964.702,"endTime":1968.605,"body":"before and had never committed a criminal act in their entire life."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1969.835,"endTime":1974.125,"body":"This moment in the United States was an intensely traumatic experience for them."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1974.745,"endTime":1976.165,"body":"It provided access."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1976.785,"endTime":1980.565,"body":"My movements would be monitored and the only photos I would be able to take"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1980.565,"endTime":1983.085,"body":"of people in prison would be of people in prison."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1983.205,"endTime":1989.56,"body":"Uniforms, which was counter to how the people I spoke with felt about themselves or"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1989.56,"endTime":1994.645,"body":"wanted to be represented and it would also feed into politicized narratives."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":1996.085,"endTime":2002.363,"body":"I chose to take exper exterior photographs, almost like portraits and when paired with quotes"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2002.363,"endTime":2008.642,"body":"and testimony, I felt the combination of the two could help expose people into the"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2008.642,"endTime":2014.92,"body":"interior experience of what individuals endured inside these places and also how the impact of"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2014.92,"endTime":2019.525,"body":"these experiences found its way outside into the lives of others."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2022.715,"endTime":2024.195,"body":"I was hunted by my government."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2024.295,"endTime":2028.645,"body":"He explained to me over the phone the man was 33 years old and he"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2028.645,"endTime":2029.515,"body":"was from Cameroon."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2030.375,"endTime":2035.355,"body":"My life was in danger, so I smuggled myself out of Cameroon to Nigeria."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2036.675,"endTime":2038.995,"body":"I took a flight out of Nigeria to Ecuador."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2039.385,"endTime":2041.115,"body":"From Ecuador, I moved to Columbia."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2041.625,"endTime":2049.301,"body":"From Columbia, I moved to Panama, Panama to Costa Rica, Costa Rica to Nicaragua, Nicaragua"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2049.301,"endTime":2053.395,"body":"to Honduras, Honduras to Guatemala, Guatemala to Mexico."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2054.415,"endTime":2054.835,"body":"In Mexico."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2055.435,"endTime":2057.755,"body":"I was in a detention center for close for seven days."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2058.054,"endTime":2063.106,"body":"He said to me in Mexico, I told them I'm moving to the United States"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2063.106,"endTime":2066.475,"body":"where I knew I was going to have international protection."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2066.935,"endTime":2071.355,"body":"That's how I found myself at the US port of entry in El Paso."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2071.995,"endTime":2075.355,"body":"I knew if I got to America, he said I would be safe."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2076.295,"endTime":2079.763,"body":"That's why I had to take that journey to get to the Texas point of"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2079.763,"endTime":2079.995,"body":"entry."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2081.215,"endTime":2085.187,"body":"He continued When I was walking through that tunnel at the US point of entry,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2085.187,"endTime":2087.835,"body":"I thought I was walking towards the gate of freedom."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2088.375,"endTime":2091.915,"body":"Little did I know I was walking towards the gate of hell."},{"speaker":"It 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3","startTime":2122.896,"endTime":2123.875,"body":"in New Mexico."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2125.155,"endTime":2129.87,"body":"I drove out to Otero on the morning before the surge of the summer heat,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2129.87,"endTime":2134.586,"body":"though only an hour's drive out of El Paso, its remoteness and low profile among"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2134.586,"endTime":2138.045,"body":"the sand and scrub brush obscures its presence from the public."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2138.145,"endTime":2143.915,"body":"Within the emptiness of the surrounding landscape, I made a point to always stand on"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2143.915,"endTime":2144.685,"body":"public property."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2144.875,"endTime":2150.225,"body":"When I took photographs of these places, I've already cased out the best vantage point"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2150.225,"endTime":2152.365,"body":"to accomplish this with at tarot."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2152.825,"endTime":2157.698,"body":"But while I was changing the film in my camera, a group of security guards"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2157.698,"endTime":2162.571,"body":"from the facility came out surrounded and questioned me, asked for my personal information, which"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2162.571,"endTime":2167.445,"body":"I didn't provide, took photographs of my license plate and threatened to call the sheriff."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2168.555,"endTime":2173.045,"body":"This petty intimidation often happened throughout the work in the United States."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2173.925,"endTime":2179.005,"body":"I took my photographs and months later I was introduced to this man from Cameroon."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2180.785,"endTime":2181.605,"body":"He continued."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2182.405,"endTime":2185.205,"body":"I was transferred to Otero without any information."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2185.985,"endTime":2188.325,"body":"The system only once deportation."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2188.865,"endTime":2193.207,"body":"It was clear racism was a part of it because I was a black man"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2193.207,"endTime":2194.365,"body":"who could ask questions."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2195.285,"endTime":2200.103,"body":"I realized I needed the hand of God to help me because the hand of"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2200.103,"endTime":2204.922,"body":"man would fail me because of the rate of which racism was practiced in Otero"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2204.922,"endTime":2205.565,"body":"was alarming."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2206.705,"endTime":2210.925,"body":"So what happened to this 33-year-old educated teacher from Cameroon?"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2211.135,"endTime":2216.07,"body":"After he walked up to that formal port of entry, presented himself to customs and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2216.07,"endTime":2221.005,"body":"border patrol and was then placed in immigration detention, we spoke for over an hour."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2221.585,"endTime":2224.685,"body":"He explained how he couldn't afford a lawyer and he had to."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2224.745,"endTime":2227.045,"body":"He had no other option but to represent him himself."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2227.825,"endTime":2233.308,"body":"He described, he described how in detention, he prepared his case and navigated the overwhelmingly"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2233.308,"endTime":2234.405,"body":"complex legal process."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2235.145,"endTime":2241.688,"body":"He presented his story and asylum requests to different judges and different jurisdictions within immigration"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2241.688,"endTime":2242.125,"body":"courts."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2242.465,"endTime":2246.405,"body":"He spent more months appealing their detentions, their their decisions."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2247.215,"endTime":2253.805,"body":"After one year and three months in two different immigration detention prisons, his efforts were"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2253.805,"endTime":2254.245,"body":"unsuccessful."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2254.915,"endTime":2259.885,"body":"Immigration and customs enforcement deported him back to Cameroon."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2260.985,"endTime":2266.135,"body":"As I talked with him, he explained how he, his wife and family were back"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2266.135,"endTime":2267.165,"body":"in hiding again."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2267.625,"endTime":2273.525,"body":"His government still looking for him, our WhatsApp connection, crackling as I spoke."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2274.025,"endTime":2278.02,"body":"And then he said to me, ask my wife and she will tell you I"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2278.02,"endTime":2279.885,"body":"was a different person before I left."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2280.065,"endTime":2283.925,"body":"For the US US detention messed me up."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2287.955,"endTime":2293.33,"body":"Discussions of immigration in the United are always usually historically defined by the politicized optics"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2293.33,"endTime":2294.405,"body":"of border crossings."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2294.985,"endTime":2300.374,"body":"But what happens in the interior of the country in central and Midwestern states is"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2300.374,"endTime":2305.045,"body":"often overshadowed by the media attention, almost always focusing on the southern border."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2306.285,"endTime":2312.143,"body":"I was born and grew up in the Midwest immigrant communities built and and developed"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2312.143,"endTime":2312.925,"body":"the Midwest."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2313.305,"endTime":2317.645,"body":"Yet in many places, the mid in the Midwest, they these very communities are threatened."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2318.875,"endTime":2324.99,"body":"What many people don't know as they drive through expansive, rolling farmlands and farming communities"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2324.99,"endTime":2331.105,"body":"of Iowa, Kansas, or Nebraska or through the charming town square with its library and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2331.105,"endTime":2336.405,"body":"county courthouse and small family run businesses in Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, or Wisconsin."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2336.955,"endTime":2342.849,"body":"What I didn't even know at the time was that scattered across these skates, dozens"},{"speaker":"It went on 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3","startTime":2383.505,"endTime":2386.125,"body":"Brazil, Indiana, $55 per day."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2387.345,"endTime":2390.205,"body":"Monroe, Michigan, $75 per day."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2392.975,"endTime":2399.688,"body":"Tiffin, Ohio, $58 per day, Woodstock, Illinois, and right across the street from the local"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2399.688,"endTime":2406.402,"body":"Norwood High School, $95 per day over multiple trips, months were spent traversing thousands of"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2406.402,"endTime":2409.535,"body":"miles from one state to the next."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2410.945,"endTime":2415.399,"body":"Chaos is one of the strongest words I can use to describe what was happening"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2415.399,"endTime":2417.775,"body":"at that time and what it felt like."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2417.775,"endTime":2422.335,"body":"Meeting families and communities traumatized by what had happened to them in their communities."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2422.845,"endTime":2429.719,"body":"Workplace raids in Nebraska, apartment complex raids in Ohio, targeted arrests of specific immigrant communities"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2429.719,"endTime":2436.135,"body":"suddenly deemed by the government to be undesirable in Michigan, even routine traffic stops."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2436.305,"endTime":2441.92,"body":"These were happening every day and in the aftermath, another mother, father, brother, and community"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2441.92,"endTime":2442.295,"body":"member."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2442.685,"endTime":2448.319,"body":"Many having lived in the United States for years and oftentimes the head of a"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2448.319,"endTime":2453.954,"body":"family of US-born children who are US citizens were being removed from society and absorbed"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2453.954,"endTime":2457.335,"body":"into invis invisibility within the US Immigration Detention System."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2459.425,"endTime":2460.665,"body":"I felt like I was kidnapped."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2460.905,"endTime":2464.825,"body":"I was kidnapped and thrown into a van like you see in the movies."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2465.385,"endTime":2470.145,"body":"A 34-year-old man originally from Medin told me of his detention in Indiana."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2470.765,"endTime":2471.945,"body":"Our lives didn't matter."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 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this."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2517.425,"endTime":2522.782,"body":"An 18-year-old young woman described about the detention of her mother after a traffic stop"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2522.782,"endTime":2524.925,"body":"in Remote County Road in Ohio."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2525.585,"endTime":2530.685,"body":"She and her three siblings, all US-born citizens were trying to make sense of what"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2530.685,"endTime":2532.725,"body":"had happened and what was next."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2534.375,"endTime":2539.264,"body":"Everything in my life became about making sure my dad didn't get deported, making sure"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2539.264,"endTime":2544.153,"body":"that no matter how hard ice tried, they didn't break him into his, his spirit"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2544.153,"endTime":2544.805,"body":"in detention."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2545.255,"endTime":2550.757,"body":"Everything every part of my life revolved around making sure my dad didn't go beyond"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2550.757,"endTime":2553.325,"body":"that point of no return in detention."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2553.865,"endTime":2558.47,"body":"The daughter and us citizen of a man from the Iraqi community in Michigan shared"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2558.47,"endTime":2559.085,"body":"with me."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2561.425,"endTime":2564.045,"body":"My husband drove around the block and ice stopped him."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2564.545,"endTime":2565.925,"body":"It was five 30 in the morning."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2566.825,"endTime":2570.59,"body":"It was difficult for my family to tell me and I couldn't describe what was"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2570.59,"endTime":2571.845,"body":"going on in my head."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2572.685,"endTime":2574.365,"body":"I was eight months pregnant."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2574.925,"endTime":2580.43,"body":"A 33 3-year-old woman, an asylum seeker from Guatemala, shared with me on a cold"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2580.43,"endTime":2581.165,"body":"winter afternoon."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2581.625,"endTime":2587.672,"body":"Her beautiful newborn baby girl was sleeping peacefully on the bed in their small apartment"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2587.672,"endTime":2589.285,"body":"outside of Denver, Colorado."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2590.645,"endTime":2592.645,"body":"I knew it would be hard for him to be locked away."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2592.825,"endTime":2597.82,"body":"She continued, but then they told him he would be deported without seeing the baby,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2597.82,"endTime":2599.485,"body":"but she was born early."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2600.575,"endTime":2604.445,"body":"There was one time I could go and see him, but there was no time."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2605.385,"endTime":2609.645,"body":"He was so happy just being able to see her through the glass."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2611.065,"endTime":2612.885,"body":"We only had 15 minutes."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2613.925,"endTime":2617.485,"body":"I dressed her in a bright, in a bright pink onesie."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 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with Canada and Sioux Saint Marie, Michigan."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2675.505,"endTime":2681.212,"body":"And even as this system started to take on a shape and reveal itself to"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2681.212,"endTime":2686.92,"body":"me, I felt disoriented and lost in its enormity and I came to realize it"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2686.92,"endTime":2690.725,"body":"is much more sinister than I ever could have imagined."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2692.325,"endTime":2698.058,"body":"I often revisit what an immigration lawyer from Ohio wrote to me about detention and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2698.058,"endTime":2702.645,"body":"the bleakness of how it is so entrenched into US immigration system."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2703.465,"endTime":2708.455,"body":"He wrote to me quote two days ago."},{"speaker":"It 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3","startTime":2772.972,"endTime":2775.285,"body":"find themselves in need of asylum."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2776.305,"endTime":2782.245,"body":"All he knows is that for the first time since he left his country and"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2782.245,"endTime":2788.185,"body":"spent weeks crossing Mexico barefoot with no money and no food, for the first time"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2788.185,"endTime":2794.125,"body":"someone is, is on his side, knowing only this he's happy, but I know all"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2794.125,"endTime":2798.085,"body":"the things he doesn't know and that makes me sad."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2803.575,"endTime":2808.664,"body":"Tucked away in the mountains of northern Greece, a man from Pakistan looked at me"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2808.664,"endTime":2813.075,"body":"and 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Belgium."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2842.185,"endTime":2844.675,"body":"Detention here was psychological torture."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2844.895,"endTime":2850.956,"body":"He said, now I don't go outside much at a tea shop on a sidewalk"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2850.956,"endTime":2851.765,"body":"in Athens."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2852.045,"endTime":2857.095,"body":"A 3-year-old asylum seeker from Afghanistan says, you try not to think about the past"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2857.095,"endTime":2860.125,"body":"and you try not to think about the future."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2860.885,"endTime":2865.585,"body":"I was not expecting detention to be a part of my journey, and it really"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2865.585,"endTime":2866.525,"body":"affected me psychologically."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2866.745,"endTime":2872.045,"body":"For a long time I lost myself the way I thought about a civilized community."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2872.345,"endTime":2872.925,"body":"It changed."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2873.505,"endTime":2876.605,"body":"He was detained in Turkey and in Greece for 11 months."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2877.865,"endTime":2881.085,"body":"The idea for the project, seven doors began in Europe."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2881.785,"endTime":2886.305,"body":"At the same time, large numbers of migrants, refugees in asylum seekers from the Middle"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2886.305,"endTime":2890.525,"body":"East and Africa were desperately turning to Europe for safety and a better life."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2891.965,"endTime":2897.965,"body":"European nations would expand their deliberate use of immigration detention to inflict yet another traumatic"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2897.965,"endTime":2899.565,"body":"experience on their journey."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2900.095,"endTime":2905.842,"body":"Years later, I would return to Europe to work on the project in the European"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2905.842,"endTime":2908.525,"body":"Union and the broader Council of Europe."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2909.015,"endTime":2916.188,"body":"There are numerous regulations, directives, treaties, and laws that regulate member states' responsibilities towards migrants,"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2916.188,"endTime":2922.405,"body":"refugees, and asylum seekers, including with respect to the use of immigration detention."},{"speaker":"It 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3","startTime":2992.895,"endTime":2996.985,"body":"He's a Rohingya and he has lived in the Netherlands for more than seven years."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":2998.005,"endTime":3000.425,"body":"All of his asylum claims have been denied."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":3001.005,"endTime":3006.386,"body":"He and his family have lived in a family location center for the past three"},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":3006.386,"endTime":3006.745,"body":"years."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":3009.185,"endTime":3011.185,"body":"I came from a place where we had no freedom."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":3011.525,"endTime":3015.825,"body":"He tells me everything in our life was controlled by others."},{"speaker":"It went on from 2:00 AM to 3","startTime":3016.415,"endTime":3021.385,"body":"Here I came for freedom, but we are controlled and controlled again."},{"speaker":"It 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at 9","startTime":3066.425,"endTime":3067.245,"body":"Here's my card."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3067.515,"endTime":3068.165,"body":"Here I am."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3068.665,"endTime":3069.605,"body":"I'm not going anywhere."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3070.145,"endTime":3071.645,"body":"I'm here in this refugee camp."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3072.145,"endTime":3072.765,"body":"I'm still here."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3073.225,"endTime":3075.765,"body":"I'm still alive when I line up."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3076.165,"endTime":3077.325,"body":"I feel like it's a prison."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3078.325,"endTime":3081.445,"body":"Mentally you become sick day by day."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3083.235,"endTime":3085.015,"body":"We spent several hours together."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3085.755,"endTime":3086.775,"body":"It started to rain."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3086.965,"endTime":3091.171,"body":"When he walked me ba back to the nearby bus stop, it would take me"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3091.171,"endTime":3093.975,"body":"three more hours by train to return back to Amsterdam."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3094.675,"endTime":3100.443,"body":"And as we exited the ordinary looking gate to the family location center, I asked"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3100.443,"endTime":3103.135,"body":"to take his photograph from the outside."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3103.525,"endTime":3108.752,"body":"This place where he stood and where other families seeking asylum have been placed didn't"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3108.752,"endTime":3110.495,"body":"look like a detention center."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3111.045,"endTime":3117.373,"body":"However, with all of the rules, restrictions, monitoring and control opposed upon them, it was"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3117.373,"endTime":3122.015,"body":"just another form of detention dressed up as being more humane."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3125.445,"endTime":3130.988,"body":"Five hours south of Amsterdam by train in central Brussels, the flags of the European"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3130.988,"endTime":3133.575,"body":"nations fly outside of the European parliament."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3134.405,"endTime":3136.935,"body":"It's early morning and I meet with Ruben at his apartment."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3137.925,"endTime":3143.175,"body":"He's an accredited visitor with a local organization assisting people in detention."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3144.275,"endTime":3145.855,"body":"We walk to the central train station."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3146.275,"endTime":3148.175,"body":"The streets are relatively quiet."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3148.755,"endTime":3152.549,"body":"We meet up with one of his colleagues on the train, the two catch up"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3152.549,"endTime":3153.055,"body":"and talk."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3153.595,"endTime":3156.495,"body":"And as time progresses, the city disappears."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3157.315,"endTime":3160.455,"body":"We pass through suburbs and then into villages."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3161.435,"endTime":3166.852,"body":"I'm accompanying them on their journey out to Carole Detention Center on the outside of"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3166.852,"endTime":3167.575,"body":"Brussels airport."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3168.195,"endTime":3171.695,"body":"The farther we travel, the calmer their conversation gets."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3173.365,"endTime":3177.515,"body":"When we get off the train, we walk towards a, a very small village and"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3177.515,"endTime":3179.175,"body":"then into and then into fields."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3179.915,"endTime":3181.655,"body":"The sun is out the morning."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3181.875,"endTime":3187.5,"body":"Sky is a beautiful blue and early morning fog is settled over the fields and"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3187.5,"endTime":3192.375,"body":"in the faint distance, like an artificial line of trees on the horizon."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3193.035,"endTime":3197.615,"body":"The fencing for the next 30 minutes or so, we just walk."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3198.275,"endTime":3205.106,"body":"And with every 50 meters, Carole and the Notorious 1 27 Beast Detention Center next"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3205.106,"endTime":3209.205,"body":"to Carole get larger and larger and more defined."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3211.445,"endTime":3215.585,"body":"He says to me, there's a huge amount of emotions that go through me."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3216.945,"endTime":3218.505,"body":"I do the walk every week."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3219.225,"endTime":3224.465,"body":"I go from Brussels on a train than to a small village center and then"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 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9","startTime":3315.529,"endTime":3318.705,"body":"realizing that maybe it wouldn't make a difference."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3319.955,"endTime":3325.383,"body":"Maybe once I start screaming out these stories, the world will just not listen or"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3325.383,"endTime":3325.745,"body":"care."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3326.905,"endTime":3329.145,"body":"I think that is a different realization."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3330.125,"endTime":3334.105,"body":"You can't add more stories and expect moral outrage about these things."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3334.925,"endTime":3338.825,"body":"The system will just continue because it's so ingrained."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3344.125,"endTime":3348.457,"body":"And then he says, and that makes it difficult to realize that I'm not just"},{"speaker":"He 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does it serve?"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3381.125,"endTime":3384.565,"body":"Nobody knows about this and nobody seems to care."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3384.825,"endTime":3392.306,"body":"He said his questions are questions I have asked myself almost constantly while conducting this"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3392.306,"endTime":3392.805,"body":"work."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3394.425,"endTime":3399.106,"body":"The Trump years might have seen an assault on immigrants as well as an unprecedented"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3399.106,"endTime":3403.788,"body":"expansion in the use of immigration detention where the number of immigrants being detained per"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3403.788,"endTime":3404.725,"body":"day reached 50,000."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3405.265,"endTime":3411.015,"body":"But Biden's promises to reduce immigration detention have failed to materialize specifically in the past"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3411.015,"endTime":3416.765,"body":"two years when the numbers of those being detained each day has nearly doubled today."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3417.065,"endTime":3423.089,"body":"Ice detains up to 40,000 immigrants per day when it comes to detention in Europe,"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3423.089,"endTime":3429.113,"body":"despite its promise of a better, more just union and Oprah borders, it turns out"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3429.113,"endTime":3431.925,"body":"to be little different than other places."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3433.265,"endTime":3438.596,"body":"The agreement from representatives of the eu, EU governments in late 2023, known as the"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3438.596,"endTime":3443.928,"body":"EU Pact on migration and asylum looks to expand and even normalize the use of"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3443.928,"endTime":3449.259,"body":"a mandatory detention along eus borders, which rights groups say will intensify the suffering of"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3449.259,"endTime":3453.525,"body":"migrants and asylum seekers turning to Europe for protection and a future."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3455.655,"endTime":3461.557,"body":"While here in the uk, the detention estate continues to serve as a key component"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3461.557,"endTime":3463.525,"body":"to immigration and asylum policy."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3464.465,"endTime":3472.857,"body":"The opening of Dert Side Immigration Removal Center in Durham County, a facility detaining only"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3472.857,"endTime":3481.249,"body":"women, the proposed reopening of camps filled detention center, the use of hotels, ex-military barracks,"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3481.249,"endTime":3486.285,"body":"and the highly controversial Rwanda plan for offshore detention."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3488.225,"endTime":3494.046,"body":"But as someone who works advocating for the rights of those in detention said to"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3494.046,"endTime":3499.867,"body":"me here in the United Kingdom, people don't realize how pointless detention is and how"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3499.867,"endTime":3504.525,"body":"a very small minority of cases detention actually fulfills its stated objectives."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3504.905,"endTime":3507.565,"body":"And that is to remove people from the uk."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3508.115,"endTime":3510.205,"body":"Detention doesn't do that."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3511.315,"endTime":3515.005,"body":"Then there's the question, what does detention actually do?"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3517.075,"endTime":3523.462,"body":"In 2022 of the people detained in UK's seven detention centers, nearly 80% of them"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3523.462,"endTime":3527.295,"body":"received bail and returned to their communities while detained."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3527.315,"endTime":3533.343,"body":"It cost 120 British pounds per day to detained them, and at the same, same"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3533.343,"endTime":3539.371,"body":"time home office ended up paying out more than 12 million pounds in claims for"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3539.371,"endTime":3540.175,"body":"unlawful detention."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3540.835,"endTime":3543.455,"body":"So what does detention actually do?"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3544.765,"endTime":3550.765,"body":"Several things have become clear throughout all the years of working on this project when"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3550.765,"endTime":3556.765,"body":"the use of immigration detention is prescribed and entrenched into policy states, including the United"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3556.765,"endTime":3562.765,"body":"States and the UK will push the boundaries of its use as far as they"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3562.765,"endTime":3563.165,"body":"can."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3563.955,"endTime":3570.132,"body":"More times than not, states will use detention to harm people and the harm immigration"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3570.132,"endTime":3573.015,"body":"detention inflicts on people stays with people."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3574.045,"endTime":3577.395,"body":"I'll end with a story of a man I met here in the UK at"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3577.395,"endTime":3578.735,"body":"the very beginning of this project."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3580.095,"endTime":3584.683,"body":"I didn't have a title for this project at the time, but after meeting him"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3584.683,"endTime":3585.295,"body":"I did."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3586.035,"endTime":3592.017,"body":"And the framework for the entire project was developed entirely around what this man said"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3592.017,"endTime":3592.815,"body":"to me."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3594.515,"endTime":3595.775,"body":"We met in a public park."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3596.635,"endTime":3599.215,"body":"The man was originally from Guinea in West Africa."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3599.875,"endTime":3601.775,"body":"We sat together on a bench for a while."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3602.255,"endTime":3606.755,"body":"I had my audio recorder on my knee and then we walked together through the"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3606.755,"endTime":3607.055,"body":"park."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3608.315,"endTime":3611.575,"body":"He said, I heard the UK had the best democracy in the world."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3612.355,"endTime":3616.672,"body":"Yet after arriving, he was confronted with the reality that would push him to the"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3616.672,"endTime":3620.415,"body":"closest he had ever been to a breaking point for this one man."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3620.725,"endTime":3626.704,"body":"Immigration detention was like a jungle, easy to get your el self into, but nearly"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3626.704,"endTime":3629.495,"body":"impossible to find your way out of."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3629.715,"endTime":3636.365,"body":"He described he had seen people try to commit suicide, witness others struggle with serious"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3636.365,"endTime":3637.695,"body":"mental health challenges."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3637.915,"endTime":3644.055,"body":"As a result of detention, watched men descend into unimaginable depths of depression."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3644.685,"endTime":3646.815,"body":"Detention is mental torture."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3647.235,"endTime":3653.245,"body":"He repeated several times as we spoke, and then he said, when they put me"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3653.245,"endTime":3658.455,"body":"in detention, I remember walking through only one door at the detention center."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3659.375,"endTime":3662.135,"body":"I was in detention for three and a half years."},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3663.445,"endTime":3668.94,"body":"When they let me out, I remember they walked me through seven different doors from"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3668.94,"endTime":3674.435,"body":"my cell to the last door where they said, you are free, but how could"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 9","startTime":3674.435,"endTime":3675.535,"body":"I be free?"},{"speaker":"He continues every day at 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