As The Leader Grows with Ken Joslin
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As The Leader Grows with Ken Joslin
Kelly Chase | Embracing Authenticity & Self-Discovery at 40
Have you ever wondered what happens when you finally stop living for everyone else and start becoming who you're truly meant to be? Kelly Chase, fresh from celebrating her 40th birthday, takes us on a raw and revealing journey through self-discovery, personal power, and finding authentic purpose in this captivating conversation.
Kelly opens up about her recent solo wellness retreat in Mexico, where she confronted important truths about her relationships, business, and spiritual journey. "For so long I didn't know who I really was," she admits, describing her 20s and early 30s as running on a hamster wheel in autopilot. This turning point led her to leave corporate life in 2017 to pursue coaching full-time, starting a personal development journey that transformed her relationship with herself.
The conversation explores Kelly's evolving spiritual connection, including her recent purchase of her first Bible, and how she's learning to trust that everything is working out as it should. Ken shares wisdom from his years as a pastor, creating a beautiful dialogue about finding faith on your own terms. Their discussion on relationships reveals powerful insights about self-worth and choosing partners who fully show up, summarized perfectly when Kelly references the quote: "Your right fit person is not the person you have to beg to choose."
Perhaps most compelling is their exploration of authenticity in business and online presence. Kelly candidly discusses her journey as a holistic health coach who transitioned to helping other female entrepreneurs with mindset and business strategy. She acknowledges the limiting beliefs that have sometimes held her back—fear of being seen, fear of success—while sharing practical advice for women wanting to make an impact: "Go live on Instagram or do something that scares the absolute hell out of you."
The episode brilliantly demonstrates how our struggles often become our greatest teaching tools. As Kelly puts it, "Every person you meet is a gift and a lesson." Whether you're navigating relationships, building a business, or simply trying to show up more authentically in your life, this conversation offers wisdom, encouragement, and the permission to embrace your journey—messy parts and all.
Welcome to the ATLG podcast I am your host Ken Joslin, former pastor turned coach & host of CREATE, the #1 Faith-based Entrepreneur conference in America. My mission is to help faith-based entrepreneurs become the best version of themselves by growing in our Core 5: Faith, Health, Relationships, Business & Finances. You can get more information as well as join our FREE Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/676347099851525
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of as the Leader Grows. I am your host, Ken Jocelyn. I've got a super special guest who just turned 40 years old, by the way.
Speaker 2:Hello. Kelly Chase Girl how are you doing? Thank you, I'm doing great.
Speaker 1:Tell me about the 18 birthday parties you had, celebrating 40 years old and the cake and all the food that you don't normally eat that I've seen all over social media for the last week.
Speaker 2:Yes, all over social media for the last week. Yes, well, the whole cake that I devoured was for a photo shoot, because I was like I'm doing a 40th birthday photo shoot, and so I went to Whole Foods and got a gluten-free cake and it was so good.
Speaker 1:We got that same cake I ate the entire. You said that for Omar's wife or Kia. Oh yeah, at my event, about two months ago we had our proximity at Live Church in Brookhaven, okay, and then we went to that Whole Foods right there in Brookhaven.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:And got her. When I saw it, I didn't think about it until just now You're like I know. It's the exact same because it's gluten-free. Yeah, it's so good and took it over to the taco place right there in Brookhaven oh, heard it Like after I stood yeah, and we had to wait like 27,. 28 people for a birthday party. Oh gosh, that's so fun, it was great.
Speaker 2:So 40 years old, but yeah so we did that, we did the photo shoot. I went on a solo, self-love trip to Mexico to a wellness resort for four and a half days and then came back, had one day in Atlanta and then I had a birthday dinner party on Saturday night. So 40 years old.
Speaker 1:You took four and a half days. Yeah, by yourself. Yeah, walk me through that as an as an entrepreneur yeah like just getting, still like yeah process, like what made you decide to do that, and then tell me about that journey yeah, so well, what made me want to do that?
Speaker 2:when I turned 39 last year, I was like I want to. I want to do a solo trip, like I don't want to be on anyone's timeline. I want to do what I want to do on my birthday. And, as selfish as it sounds, it's very selfless because it's a lot of where I went. Let's put it this way. It was a wellness resort, so very self-reflective. There was yoga, there was meditation, there was actually a shaman there and it was very interesting having dialogue with him.
Speaker 2:But otherwise, just like sitting on the beach, I read a book or I sat there and I just like was in my thoughts and reflecting on life and challenges. Maybe that I'm going through and working through. I'm just having a different perspective. But like, how that all came to be, too, is like 2017, I left.
Speaker 2:I've been in and out of corporate a couple of times, but I left a corporate job to pursue coaching full time and started like a whole personal development journey. I started reading personal development books and started creating curiosity in myself and like dating myself, and I think that that was that's kind of why I was comfortable enough to do this trip, because I've done similar things like this before, because that again, that was like eight years ago, but yeah, I feel like it's just been to. There was so for so long I didn't do that and I didn't know to do that. I just I didn't even know who I really was. My whole 20s, early 30s, I was just kind of going through the motions of life and literally like running on a hamster wheel every day, just in autopilot.
Speaker 1:We talked offline a little bit. You're talking about the hamster wheel. We talked offline, about learning to not live for everybody else, which I think you can. I think if you live for everybody else, the right way, you learn to take care of yourself, because you understand if I don't take care of me, I can't help the people. Correct, yeah, exactly so give me some aha moments from four and a half days by yourself at a wellness retreat in the middle of paradise.
Speaker 2:One big thing I was kind of navigating not even a romantic relationship, but it hadn't even like picked up, let's put it that way a romantic relationship, but it hadn't even like picked up, let's put it that way. But the thought that I had was okay. When I'm with this person it's very different than any other relationship I've ever had, but when I'm not with them, it's the same. They're not showing up low accountability behaviors, just not fully choosing me and making me feel like I'm constantly on edge, in a sense of like when are they going to text me? When are they going to call me, like you know, and you get that like dopamine hit when they do. So I think that was kind of a really big epiphany for me. It was like no, you know.
Speaker 1:So funny. You said that I just posted this from Eunice, the art of dating. She's a really good friend of mine. Your right fit person is not the person you have to beg to choose Correct, and I literally I saw it this morning. I'm like, oh God, that's so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I sent her a, I sent her a text and I said I'm I'm reposting it, but it's exactly what you just said yeah, yeah. So true.
Speaker 2:So getting you're just kind of, you have conversations with yourself.
Speaker 1:It's delusional.
Speaker 2:Kelly, what are?
Speaker 1:you doing. I'm just sitting on these.
Speaker 2:I'm like dude, you're an ass.
Speaker 1:Like what's wrong with you, man Do? You do that as well.
Speaker 2:I don't necessarily like shame myself, you know I do. I'm just curious about myself and like, why do you continue to attract that type of person? Or why are you continuing to be okay with anyone who's not fully showing up for you? You know, and I I preach it all day to anybody else, you know, but for me it's just been something and I'm like okay, kelly, what's another, what's like the next level of like healing and or what is the choice you need to make? Like you need to just be in your power and stop like trying to be the cool girl and be available and like blah, blah, blah, like. So it's just about being curious of myself.
Speaker 1:Isn't it always the internal and I don't call it even a battle but the internal journey and process of becoming who God's really created you to be, and that when you get there it's like, especially with the relationships, like when you get there it's like, oh okay, well, if you don't want to choose me, okay. I know God's got somebody out there for me that will, and I'm okay working on me and taking the journey and just enjoying and embracing the process.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, like I, I mean probably started following you a few months ago, but you know I I actually bought my first Bible back in March.
Speaker 1:I think I saw that I think baptized recently or something. No, no, yeah, see the Bible yeah just got the Bible.
Speaker 2:It was funny because I was sharing about me having a Bible and everything and, honestly, the gentleman I'm referring to kind of was a catalyst to that. So you know so many. I always say to people I'm like every person you meet is a gift and a lesson, like they really are, they'll teach you something, something, they'll highlight something that you need you know. So there's so many great things about this person, but he's just not available for me. You know that's fine, but it was funny because when I announced to everyone that I got a bible and things like, people were messaging me like hey, come to my church, come to my church blah blah, and I was like hold on, guys, one thing at a time, like we're on a journey right now and I gotta do this my, uh, my own pace kind of thing.
Speaker 2:So but it has been. I mean, granted, I'm only like 60 pages into the bible, it's really you know complex.
Speaker 1:Where did you start?
Speaker 2:start at the beginning.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, yeah, I know everyone says that, yeah, don't do that. But I'm just like, I'm just doing it.
Speaker 2:You know like I'll. I'll read, I guess, the new testament like I'll read some of that, because that's where everyone's like you need to read that stuff. That's like where, where it really is, you know, good for the mind.
Speaker 1:I think it's really cool. I didn't grow up in church. I gave my life to Christ when I was 25. Okay, spent 13 years in full-time ministry pastoring and planting churches around the area, and it's funny because when I went I remember the first. I'm like shoot.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I have to look at the front Like I don't know where to go, but I always tell people I'm like because I have a lot. I just had a podcast with Travis Winfield. He's a 24-year Navy veteran, just started this massive, big-time real estate agent massive team with EXP, just started this massive thing called MORE. It's a military operator, real estate, something like that. But they train real estate agents and he was just talking about his first Bible and it was one of our events. He was at my Sunday's mastermind like a year and a half ago, and he goes dude, I've got my Bible and I started reading it. I'm like where'd you start? And he goes it's the beginning. I'm like, no man, that's not where you start.
Speaker 2:But anyway, we were having that same conversation, so did you take the Bible with you on your four and a half days. I did not. I did not. I brought Think and Grow Rich with me.
Speaker 1:That's a great book, that's a phenomenal book as well.
Speaker 2:It was good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would just, I'd encourage you Like have you seen the Chosen at all?
Speaker 2:No, my parents are like in the fifth season, or whatever, I guess the most recent season is Like I said I pastored for 13 years.
Speaker 1:Just watching the show you see the humanity, the human side of Jesus and his compassion for people it's like I can't watch it with anybody else because I'm a sobbing mess. My kids make fun of me like Dad, you cried and everything. So four and a half days Just really processing through some internal things yeah, what were some kind of the visionary moments for you coming home where you were like excited to be back and okay, I've got this kind of picture or blueprint in my heart.
Speaker 2:A lot to do with my career, my business. I've been coaching Like I started out as a holistic health coach 12 years ago. Over time my business has. I mean I've launched relationship courses, I've done some money mindset, I've done business coaching. I feel like I've done a lot of everything. But what really lights me up, what I get passionate about, is talking about the money mindset and just like the spiritual connection of everything, but also like basic business strategy for another, like female entrepreneur, online coach, showing up online and that kind of thing. I just really love talking about it and I know that I've played small myself and I've you know whether it's the fear of being seen or fear of being successful like it's funny because I talk about six limiting beliefs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Fear, insecurity, scarcity, comparison shame, yeah, and success is the last one. People go success, yeah. And I'm like, oh, there's a lot of people that have a limit. They don't think that they deserve or they haven't. They've never really seen success up close. Right, they don't know that they really have what it takes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's been fascinating, but it's been fascinating. But I'm like Kelly, but like you know, like I know what to do, I have courses, I have programs, like everything is there, you know, and I'm like you just got to show up a little bit more. I mean granted, like I was on a reality TV show and I got hate. You know, I got some negative feedback from that and I mean I still like, even to today, I got a weird comment and I'm like, oh, my goodness. But now I'm more like okay, like I survived that. I'm okay. But there is, or there has been still like kind of like a PTSD around that of like just negative comments coming out. I mean you catch what? Like you can't not see it, you can't not.
Speaker 1:Oh, trust me, I host the largest faith-based entrepreneur conference in the country. Yeah, hundreds of people on our ads. Oh, I'm sure my team's like don't even look at it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1:But I think, kelly, when you have a real, genuine heart to be able to help and reach people like that's what makes you strong and good at what you do, but it's also going to show up as a ooh that sucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That kind of hurts, yeah, do, but it's also going to show up as a Ooh, that sucks. Yeah, that kind of hurts, yeah, yeah. How do you?
Speaker 2:how do you process and deal with that? I mean, I just continue to tell myself that I'm the only person that knows myself the best, and my people who know me know my heart, and so I have to just like not not care what people say, but care about what the right people say care about what the right people say care about what the right people say, yeah, and how it's delivered.
Speaker 2:And you know, like anyone who is going to comment something that is projecting or shaming me, I'm like you're like, okay, maybe you, you perceive something that I said that triggered you, and now you're shaming me like you felt like I was shaming you. Now you're shaming me like that's not, that's not it.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking in my head about some of these comments and I'm thinking about how quick I can be like pop, pop, pop, pop. Yeah, ah, shit, I can't send that I know.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know, I know I can't say that.
Speaker 1:There were times I would is always like it. Just friends and mentors are always, like you know, john Maxwell's taught me this for 25 years now. It's like Ken, he goes never, respond out of emotion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when emotions are high Intelligence is low.
Speaker 1:That's exactly right. Yeah, it's, it's, it's key. So tell me about you, the journey you know from our conversation earlier you were like I was a people pleaser, I want to make everybody happy and you're just, you're just in this. Let me ask, let me, let me frame the question this way how did you learn to embrace the journey of just becoming Kelly?
Speaker 2:Probably when I just started, more so being curious and like dating myself, because, again, I didn't know who I was before. So I mean, sure I thought, but I remember, I mean years ago, before I even started my journey, someone asked me they're like what do you like to do for fun? And my like knee-jerk reaction response was go out drinking with my friends. And I will. Obviously I'm still talking about it. I will never forget that, because I was like I'm not going to do that, I'm not going to do that, I'm not going to do that. I don't think that's like what I like to do for fun. It's just like what I do and I have fun doing it, but like I don't, I don't know how to answer that question.
Speaker 2:I don't have a hobby, I don't know. I'm always either working or like going out drinking with my friends Like I don't know what else I like. That was kind of like another thing that just kind of like was a catalyst to let's get curious, Like let's find out what we do. Like, Like you know, you like to dance, you like to sing, Like I don't know if I'm a good singer, but like I like to do it.
Speaker 1:There's a scripture in the Bible that says make a joyful noise. Yeah, so when I pastor, I'm like listen, it doesn't matter what you sound like, it says joyful noise.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that no-transcript. Ah, I'm supposed to take what I'm learning and I'm supposed to help other people, mm-hmm, the book I I have so many.
Speaker 1:Like if you had to go do a four and a half day retreat, yeah, by yourself, hypothetically yeah yeah, yeah For your birthday, Right. What would you take? Well, I know you took Think and Grow Rich yesterday.
Speaker 2:Yes, I did take Think and Grow Rich, and the reason I took Think and Grow Rich is because I've gone through a. I've been a student of Bob Proctor for four years and his program Thinking and Do Res is based off of Thinking Grow Rich. So I was like I should probably read the book at some point. I listened to the audio and it was like I couldn't. It was so monotone. I was like I need to highlight things. But there is a book by Robert A Russell called God Works Through you and I was working with a mindset coach at the time and I guess I still do and she was very transitional between God and universe, her language, and she recommended books all throughout. I mean, I've been working with her. She was the consultant at Bob Proctor, so I've been dealing with her for four years, but she had recommended that book plus other ones, and that was like my first time kind of seeing spirituality and science at the same time.
Speaker 2:It's kind of how the book is laid out Short read but very complex because there's Bible verses in it, and then it's like kind of speaking on the scientific, how it all flows together in a sentence and it was very profound and I was just like, and what we learned through Bob Proctor's program. It's like every sentence, if I was to say I love you. It's like you have to like study, like every word, and so even that short of a book of God works through you. It's like study. Every word and every line could have such a different meaning, right, so it was just fascinating. I just really really love that book. I love the four agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz too, so good, but yeah, by Don Miguel Ruiz too, it's phenomenal, so good, but yeah, so I would say that one.
Speaker 2:But it was interesting that coach, she lost her dad to suicide and her dad was very big into the personal development space. Like they worked together for a while and then they branched off and regardless. But he took his life and she spoke very vulnerably about things and then, of course, like her, she doesn't speak on Universe anymore. She speaks very vulnerably about things. And then, of course, like her, she doesn't speak on Universe anymore. She speaks very only, like she definitely goes to church every Sunday, like very just.
Speaker 1:I mean you know, I tell people all the time people ask me and I mean I have. This year we had almost 500 people at my conference. John was there, gary Brecker was there, pastor Dennis and Colleen from Victory, who are dear friends of mine, just some amazing human beings. Henry and Taryn from Salt Lake City and I had five of my Muslim friends. Three of them are from my GoFunnels team in London and then two of them are from Titan Growth and they're my kind of marketing kind of guys from Vancouver.
Speaker 1:So I had my chef, I had Chef Brittany said I need five halal meals for these guys for the three days that we're together. And then I was crazy because I wasn't sure. I was like, do I say something about them being here? Because I mean I've got my buddy Cole's coming in from Tulsa. He's leading worship. I've got a whole worship team. It's just an amazing experience. And I'm like, do I say something about these guys? And I was kind of. I was like I was really torn last day, saturday afternoon. I'm like, hey, guys, I want to, I want to talk about cause.
Speaker 1:We hit faith. Our core five is faith, health, relationship, business and finances. So we hit faith on the first day John and I did, and I just said I want to introduce you guys to five of my friends Like I love, like crazy, and they're all. They're all practicing Muslims. So I had them stand up, dude, they gave him a standing ovation and I was like yeah, and they told me at the end they were like this is really good. They didn't know what to expect. And they're there because they're business partners of mine. And I tell people all the time like I don't really care where you're at on your journey, just ask God, god, what do you have for me? And he's big enough to be able to speak to you through an individual, through a book, through the Bible. He just wants to know that, hey, if I'm interested, and I just ask God, god, what do you?
Speaker 2:have for me.
Speaker 1:So that's an amazing journey. So best book have you read the Complete Works of Francis Scovel Shinn? Yeah, so good I'm listening to it right now yeah, it's so good Fifth or sixth time. So it reminds me of the book you just said.
Speaker 2:Yes, and.
Speaker 1:I'm like I tell people, I'm like I don't know if she's a Christ follower or a believer, but her book's 100 years old and it is full of verses and scriptures.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, I read the Game of, which obviously has that in it too. Yeah, but it's the same thing. I mean like all these books now, just from studying the Bob Proctor program, like I mean, basically he said that he read like that's like the I'm sure it's not the only personal development book, but that was a personal development book that he just kept reading over and over and over again and it's just, it shifts things, it changes your neuroplasticity and it's just it shifts things, it changes your neuroplasticity, like it really just expands you and helps you think differently, helps you have more compassion because you're becoming more open-minded. Like there's so many things. But you were asking, like what was kind of my like aha moment? I feel like I had a couple. The very first one I was actually I read the business of the 21st Century by Robert Kiyosaki and just I mean, that's more of a business, financial book or whatever, but just understanding what reality I'm currently living in and what reality to live a healthier and more joyful life could be right. And so I was like whoa, like I'm doing this and I I would like to be over here. Like how do I get there? And granted, I'm not necessarily doing all that now still, but my mind, I am aware of it at least.
Speaker 2:And then I think just over time, over these last five or six years, that I've been studying all of this mindset stuff and spirituality and everything. I've been studying all of this mindset stuff and spirituality and everything I I think the biggest thing is like I didn't necessarily know that I well, I knew that I was deepening my spirituality, but you know, I mean, granted, god is newer to me. I mean I was, I was raised Catholic, but I wasn't like the five-year-old that was like, let's go to Bible study. Like I wasn't very connected, even in CCD classes.
Speaker 2:So I have always referred to myself as a spiritual person, but I never knew what that meant. I just didn't. I couldn't say that I was Catholic or Baptist or wasn't religious. But now I'm like no, I'm actually more of a spiritual person and I do have more of a connection with God. I'm learning to have more of a connection with God, do have more of a connection with God, I'm learning to have more of a connection with God. But at the end of the day, I think the thing that stuck out for me is like okay, if we have so much trust in God or whatever that is to you, that higher power, then why do you have fear? Why can't you just trust that everything really is working out for you? And so, although I find myself maybe entertaining boys that aren't showing up or or playing small, sometime boys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, exactly. I meant to say that, but like or or anything that isn't of my higher self.
Speaker 1:I'm aware when I'm doing it, and whereas in four years ago I may not have been so question so when you say you're aware, same, absolute same, what do you tell yourself in those moments Like I'm just going to do this because it's fun, I just want to have somebody to hang out with it's, how do you process through that with yourself? When you do that I, how do you process?
Speaker 2:through that with yourself. When you do that, I think I try and give myself the grace of like okay, there's obviously you're hanging out with this person for a reason. Maybe there's something there that's still like I need to learn or heal from. Or maybe there's something that, like, I'm giving to that person. Maybe I'm the gift to that person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that Because I get surprised to have a conversation about this morning, like I hate wasting time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I know I've got this massive purpose and it's like I don't want to waste an hour, Right, I don't want to waste 30 minutes, Like it's like. But I totally when you say that I know that I'm doing what I'm doing Right. So I was just wondering what that internal conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like I just try not to shame myself. Like you know what you're doing, like, or you shouldn't be doing this, you know, but we're even you know. Let's say, on a Friday night, you know my friends want to like go to the bar. I'm like I don't care. Like if someone wanted to go have like a whatever, like do something else that was more high vibrational, like I would go do that more so. But I always say I'm like, okay, but you want to spend time with these people. So and I will say God, show me who I'm supposed to like, show me what I'm supposed to hear tonight, show me like, let me know of a conversation I'm supposed to have. And literally nine times out of ten that happens that I like someone whether it's someone I know or someone that I don't just happens to be at the restaurant or bar, and then I just have that like a really deep, vulnerable conversation with someone, or we're talking about all the personal development stuff and I'm like thank you, god, that's exactly what I needed tonight.
Speaker 1:You know it's crazy when you say that. It's like I just thought of a last Christmas. I was with some friends that they wanted to go to Johnny's hideaway. I'm like I ain't going to Johnny's. They're like, let's go. It was, it was a Thursday night, like the 20th or 21st of December, it's like three or four days before Christmas, and I'm like I'm not going and they're like, let's go, let's go. And I'm like it's like I've got massive meetings the next day. Oh, I know, right, and I'm like I had my first meetings at like 8.30 or 9.00. Yeah, exactly right. And so I'm like, okay, I'll go. And so I get in the car. We're in this van we're driving to.
Speaker 1:Now I'm in Trillith, so we're driving from Trillith to Johnny's Hideaway in an Uber. And so I get in the car and I don't meet strangers, just like you. I get in and I'm like what's up, girl? I said how, I said how you doing? She was like great, my name's Shay and you know we're talking. And I'm like, well, I said, shay, tell me about you, tell me a little about you. How'd you get doing driving Ubers or Lyfts or whatever, and how many kids do you have? And she goes well, I had three kids.
Speaker 1:Now I only have two and I'm like I just so, yeah, she goes, she goes. My six year old, she goes. My 15 year old had severe epilepsy. She'd been having seizures her whole life. My six year old went to wake her up about six weeks ago and she had passed away in the middle of the night from a severe. And I was like I'm like okay, god, why am I in this, why am I here? And so we're driving and I said and she goes.
Speaker 1:The worst thing was she goes. I couldn't work for like four or five weeks I had to take care of my daughter funeral and she goes. And so I got, we got evicted, so we moved down here in an Airbnb and now I'm just trying to get day by day. So God's already like stirring stuff up and so, but God, I know you can work this out Right. So I just said to her I said listen. I said we're going to go in here. I'm going to be about an hour and a half, two hours tops. I said if I give you 250 bucks, will you run us home? And she was like that'd be amazing.
Speaker 1:And so we drive five more minutes and I know God's like, god's like I didn't tell you to $1,000 tip and she started bawling and so I said I'm going to give you $500 now and $500, when you pick us up and you drop us off at home, I'm going to give you another $500. We stopped by Waffle House on the way home and she was like I said who's hungry? And she's like I'm starving. I haven't eaten all day.
Speaker 1:She didn't have any money to eat with all my friends and we're sitting down eating with this girl and the next day I get she sends me a text of her and her kids buying Christmas, her video from her daughter's funeral, and it's like one of those things where you're like, even if it's not something like I didn't want to go, but God just used that situation, and I'm always so. Let me ask you this question how do you stay attentive? Because you even asked yourself God, show me, how do you stay attentive in those moments to be aware that those opportunities are in front of you?
Speaker 2:I think I'm just really observant yeah, like as outgoing as I am when I'm out and about. There's a very reserved part of me where I am just very like I'm watching, I'm looking, I'm literally observing things. And, let's say, I do drink a little too much, right, I still feel like I can have that, like it's still going to happen, or I'm going to be like it didn't, and that's exactly what God meant for me that night to just have fun and let loose and then feel like ass the next day. I get it.
Speaker 1:It's tequila. If you're going to drink tequila, you have to have tequila. It's the only upper.
Speaker 2:It is the only upper.
Speaker 1:It's the only one, gary Braca, only drinks, and he has it in his freezer. Yeah, 1942, or whatever it is, he drinks. That's all he has.
Speaker 2:And Gary's the one that told me it was an upper, not a downer. It is Okay, dude, that's great.
Speaker 1:So tell me what you're excited about now. Obviously, you spent four and a half days just turned 30 years old, and when I say 40, I'm like, oh my God, I wish I was 40 again. I'll be 57 next Thursday. Oh, happy birthday. Thank you very much. Yeah, leo's. Yes, a hundred percent. You can tell what are you excited about. You came home, your energy is infectious.
Speaker 2:Thank you, tell me like what are you, what are you pumped about in the future, honestly, just being more in my power, like in everything I mean with again, kind of with the guys, any guy, just not trying to be the nice girl, the cool girl, like just really embodying all the things that I teach but also have learned and all the healing work that I've done as well. Like I'm really in this phase of just like thank you next, think you next. Like I need to move faster in the decisions that I'm making and not cut people off, but just follow the alignment that I need to be like just do things that are more in alignment with what I'm desiring and stop holding myself back, because it's a choice for me if I want to enable myself or, you know, entertain things that aren't necessarily meant for my higher self, and I just really want to focus on that. So, with like business, like I have started to like relaunch my coaching business, but you know I've said it for years but I've kept myself small I really want to like help other online coaches, you know, with basically, business strategy, help them create digital courses and high-ticket offers. And it's not just the strategy, it's the mindset behind all of it pricing your offers, the money mindset really helping, you're unlovable and you're unworthy. And so if I can show them that, no, you are worthy of charging $300 for an hour or whatever you know making up an example, but that they're worthy of that and that everything really has such a spiritual component to it and like there's so much fear and shame and whatever. But if we can like start to shift that and heal that, whether it's reprogramming, you know subconsciously really honing in whatever I'm, there's so much fear and shame and whatever. But if we can like start to shift that and heal that, whether it's reprogramming, you know subconsciously really honing in whatever I'm learning with from god, spirituality, like, like just intertwining everything and helping them expand where they're at.
Speaker 2:Like I mean this woman that you just spoke about. I I'm like she probably felt so pigeonholed and like trapped right and like someone like yourself gave her room to breathe and I get it. Like it's not you're not going to. You're not necessarily going to be. You know making multiple, six figures or even $5,000 in a minute, but as soon as you launch your business but that's one, it's just a stepping stone it's you taking action towards a different life for yourself, for your kids Like and just it's. It's a lot, I mean. I could like go on forever about this, but like just helping other women just fully see how powerful they really are you said something about you said something about just really focusing on becoming the higher, or operating in the higher, purpose of you.
Speaker 1:I always talk about becoming the best version of yourself. One of my five affirmations that I do every day right at my planner every morning is I am whole. I choose to use past pain to help others find healing. I love that how much of your journey helping other people? Does that help you navigate through hard times, knowing that you're going to use what I'm going through so I can help dozens and hundreds? And even thousands of people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean everything that I've been through, you know from. I mean, I have been in debt, I have struggled with, you know, domestic violence in the past, like I've health challenges from just health challenges, but also to like weight challenges and there's so many different avenues that I feel like I have a story to tell about each one, and you really can impact someone's life through your storytelling and the more that you do that, I feel like it can be a healing and an opportunity for someone to be like okay, if she overcame it, I can too. Or if she got through this, I can too. Or maybe she's going through that right now. She's real. She's real.
Speaker 2:Awesome Wow it makes me feel even more Like when I had gained a bunch of weight 10 years ago. I mean, I had been health coaching already years prior to then. I gained a bunch of weight and I was like, okay, you know what I felt?
Speaker 1:really embarrassed that I'm like before and after picture. I don't think so, yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know, I felt really embarrassed cause I'm like I'm supposed to be coaching people on their health and I've gained 30 pounds or 35 pounds and like I feel such like an imposter. But I just I put my story out there and like let them know like the emotional aspect of everything that I was feeling and going with through, and everyone was like Kelly, now I feel like I can work with you because you understand how I feel, and I was like shit, you knew it was really like there you go Wow. Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, Look at you when I put that picture up on the big LED panel wall at my conference and when I speak it's and people. It's so funny because this past year we're on panel. Bradley was on the panel with us. I did a little health panel, gary was on it, my buddy Josh Porter, who's a PA, and I had this health panel in, and then my team from RMI, the stem cell company in Costa Rica, and people are like that's not you and Gary looks and goes oh no, that's him, cause I've been working with him for four years and I'm like I promise you like that's the journey in that for me. Now, when I talk about my concept of incremental, not monumental, small daily discipline, decisions over time, always equal monumental results, success can't escape you.
Speaker 1:So true, you do the right things every single day and I tell people I'm like it's not sexy, but it's the process, yeah, like you can have what you want. And I heard a mentor say this years and years and years ago. He said we almost always overestimate what we can do in the short term, but underestimate what we can do in the long term. And so you're taking the things that you have walked through in life and I think this is, I think this is key and I'd love for you to speak to this because, listen, life sucks sometimes. I mean it absolutely sucks sometimes. And I think to have the ability to walk through a difficult situation not understanding, I mean, I've been a believer in Christ since August of 1993.
Speaker 1:That's a long time like 32, 33 years and there's still things I'm like I just don't understand. But I know Romans 8, 28,. All things work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose. I don't understand it, but I know you can use this for me to be able to do what you've called me to do to be able to help other people. How do you? What drives you in that, when you're facing some moments like that?
Speaker 2:when you're facing some moments like that, well, I think, hmm, hold on, I'll show you a quote that I have on my phone.
Speaker 2:So again, kind of how the I'm newer with the spirituality, right, you're good, yeah, but so from the Bob Proctor program, it's almost like there were little messengers throughout all the last few years and God talk and just the language and everything. But it wasn't like, hey, we're going to study the Bible. But there were mentions of, and one of the literally on my screensaver. It says God's gift to you is more talent and ability than you will ever use in one lifetime. Your gift to god is to develop and utilize as much of that talent and ability as you can in this lifetime. By steve bow.
Speaker 2:I love that and I'm like like every day I look at it and I'm like, kelly, are you still playing small? Because god's got some things for you and you got to do them. So I feel like I've been kind of like living by that quote for a while now, ever since. You know, I heard it a few years ago, but more so I was like Kelly, no, you need to put this like where it's visible. So you see it.
Speaker 2:So you have a daily reminder like where are you not showing up for someone?
Speaker 2:Cause someone out there needs you. And even like when I first started coaching back in the day when people were like, okay, if you're like afraid to show up online, you're stop making it about you, you're doing a disservice to someone, and that has always stuck with me as well, and you know, even if it's just one person that whose life I touched that day, great. But like, I do have a pop. Like you know, people are like hey, I don't know how you do it on social media, like, I mean, you've been beaten down to the pulp sometimes and I'm like I and yes, I can do things locally and maybe you know, but I've, literally I've coached people in different countries before I have because of Instagram, otherwise they would never have known who I was, you know. So I'm like and not that I need to do that, but like it opens you up. It creates so many opportunities for my message to be seen, my message to be heard and for me to impact someone else's life and help them.
Speaker 1:What would you say to the person that's listening to this podcast right now and they're like, yeah, but I don't have what you have. I don't look like you. Look, I haven't, I don't have the experience. They're making all these excuses in their head. What would you say to them?
Speaker 2:That you're. I mean, honestly, your message is more important than your mess for one. I mean and I say mess like that, anything like you feel like people aren't gonna listen to you because you don't look a certain way. That's not true. Like I, I know that I follow people online that maybe I'm not attracted to but I they have very important messages to share and I'm like wow, that was so powerful.
Speaker 2:And I think a lot of people compare their journey to other people's journey and, at at the end of the day, like, you may have lived an incredibly freaking life and maybe you haven't gone through a lot of hardships. Good for you. I love that for you. A lot of us haven't had that, but it doesn't diminish your beautiful life that you've experienced. Maybe you can share with us how you were raised in. Like. I had someone on my podcast one time and they were like you're either raised in a critical household or an encouraging household and I was like critical yeah I was too, and I think and he pointed out he was like majority of people are raised in a critical household.
Speaker 2:So maybe that person who feels like they have no trauma or anything, whether it's big T, little T, and they're like I really don't know what to, I'm sure there's something you know. Maybe you went to school or maybe you did drop out of high school and you're like but now you're still making it, you're here, you're living, you're breathing. Like what did you do? Teach others, show others how you did it, show others how you didn't have hardship in life. Like what was your perspective? Maybe you had different perspectives. Maybe, if you can share those perspectives with us, maybe we would be like oh well maybe that wasn't so bad either.
Speaker 2:Like I don't know.
Speaker 1:Like there's so many different things get in a room with people and my team's always like dude, you're, you're almost. And even when I was a pastor, they're like you're almost too authentic from stage, yeah, like I share things, like I have one of my therapists Dr Morgan came last year on my stage. She's an attachment, she's 5 million.
Speaker 2:Dr Morgan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anderson.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I had Morgan, I love it. Yeah, I had her, she's great. I got on her boyfriend because they weren't engaged yet. I'm like listen, dude, if you don't, if you don't, she's on stage in front of 500 people. If you don't put a ring on this girl's finger, I said I'm going to find a guy in this audience. It was hilarious.
Speaker 1:That's so funny I had Morgan. We talked about all the four different attachment style theories, yeah, and we did a little 90 second QR and then we just got up and we talked about my journey and moving from an anxious attachment to a secure attachment and all of and all of those things in that process. Because I think it's I think when you, gary, said this the first first, it wasn't even my big conference, this was in October of 2021. And I did a small mastermind with Bradley Brad's new space in Vegas and Gary it was me, gary, brad and a couple other guys and Gary said something he said.
Speaker 1:He said I just read a new study about the electromagnetic frequencies that we emit as humans and he said the highest frequency. He made everybody in the audience guess what is it? Everybody's like oh, it's love, it's affection, no, it's, it's authenticity. He said authenticity comes from two things it comes from a deep understanding of a subject or a topic and a deep passion of that subject, in that topic. And I think, and I think that's what resonates like, even before I even sat down with you, I saw you and I'm like well, I feel your authenticity in wanting to, and some of your stuff isn't like, hey, I want to help you do, but you just can feel that authenticity. And he said not only is it the highest frequency that we admit, but it's the number one frequency that sought after.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because, especially in the Instagram world, and everything that we have is so much bullshit on the air Right. It's like what do I believe? What don't I believe that we have?
Speaker 2:there's so much bullshit on the air right it's like what do I believe, what don't I believe that authenticity cuts through. Yeah, yeah, oh, I mean friends of mine and I don't know how you can be so like vulnerable online and so transparent. I'm like I don't know how not to be like I I don't like I'll share myself crying sometimes or like just share something that I'm going through. And there are there's, you know, I think, altering opinions on that of like okay, don't talk about the problem until you've like worked through it. But I'm like, but I also don't want to be this highlight reel and like act like nothing's bothering me, like there's something, I'm going through something and yeah, maybe I just need to tell people to get it off of my chest and somehow maybe there's part validation and I don't know, but like it feels so good when I do that and not that everybody needs to know that information about me, but like I tell them, like I don't know, it's just something.
Speaker 1:That's where I've been. I'm like I can't help people unless I share my story. Yeah, Like I can, and some of the stuff I come up with is just, I'll say it this way you can learn from your own mistakes or you can learn from mine.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, one of them's gonna cost you a whole lot more.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, and it's painful not to be able to look at somebody else's mistakes. People are like dude. You're wise.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I'm like do you know how many mistakes I've made in 56 years? Right, A lot Right. So there's a lot of hard learned wisdom in that journey. So what would you say to a woman that's out there today who is wanting to or feels like my voice matters, like there are people I want to help?
Speaker 2:What would you say to that woman today Go live on her Instagram. Ah or like do something that scares the absolute hell out of people when you say it does yeah. Or create a video and post it to your feed like just do it, just talk, I mean, and I say that because I know that they're like I need to do more of that too.
Speaker 2:I grant, I don't want to have too much of a problem or fear around it, but, like I know that I need to be doing more of that too. Granted, I don't want to have too much of a problem or fear around it, but I know that I need to be doing more of it because I feel suppressed and it's only because I've suppressed myself. But I'm like I have so much to talk about, I have so much to say. And it's funny. Other mentors they're like okay, well, pick a niche and focus on one thing to talk about, and I'm like I can't, I can't do that.
Speaker 2:And I was asking chat GBT yesterday. I'm like, okay, so like these are like the courses that I've already created is what I want to talk about? Like how can I do this so people under start, under start, understanding more about who I am and how I can help them without me focusing on one thing only and then them being like wait, why is she switching and talking about this now, you know? So ChachiBT was like yep, do one, one a week, and so people, but then people will identify you. Oh, she talks about love, money, business, whatever health stuff, and then the next month do it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I become all of that. I created our core five framework about three or four years ago faith, health, relationship, business and finances. So everything that we do, all my my big conference, even the mastermind we just did here in Atlanta last weekend we kick everything off with faith, then we hit health, then we hit relationships, then we hit a business and then we hit finances. It's funny because most of the people who are at my event or the events that we do throughout the year, they all think they're there for business or finances.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah it's never Like one of my buddies who was a division two national coordinator for umpires, a part of college baseball for 20 years and he was my.
Speaker 1:He was the national coordinator for division two and he went in the. He went into the ERCT thing when the ERCT was big, made almost a million bucks last year and so he's got all this money and I'm helping him put, connecting with the right people to help him with that. And he comes to my conference. Last year and he gets up on Friday afternoon after Morgan it was literally after Henry and Taryn and Morgan and I and then we did a panel with the four of us and I see Scotty, he bought a $10,000 CEO ticket. I see him pop up and I see him walk, run out the room. I'm like dude, what are you doing? Because I had to call my wife and apologize for being an asshole for 35 years and I was like I thought I was here for business and finances and God was like you're an asshole, you're not a nice husband. And he said I had to. I had to leave the room and call my wife.
Speaker 1:And I was like yes, and now they're amazing. That's amazing, yeah. So framework, I think would be if you had a type of framework on the different things that you do, because then when you hit any of those areas in your framework you go, oh yeah, that's who she is.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, exactly, I'm like no one's putting me in a box, like no one's putting me in a box, but it's like what I was saying about.
Speaker 1:Like I've known you for about 45 minutes, ain't nobody putting?
Speaker 2:you in a box.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no Like don't tame me, but what I was going to say, too, about like telling someone to just speak, like on a video, or live Literally telling people like to start your video this is the scariest thing I've ever done and like literally coming out and speaking, the fear or something whatever is creating the anxiety, like I'm so nervous and presencing that emotion. That will help Versus just coming on and being like. So I'm like really passionate about X, y and Z and like talking about it, just presence, the fact that you are scared out of your mind to be doing this right now, cause that's authenticity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that authenticity is going to register where people go. Whoa would you? I spent I can't tell you how much money I spent on Facebook and Instagram five years, 300 grand probably. And it wasn't until I'm at the gym with my blue Nike top on. I looked in the camera and I'm like are you a faith-based entrepreneur in the city of Atlanta? Hey, my name's Ken and I host a lot and I just go. It was insane. It's, it is, that's the hook. Are you a faith-based entrepreneur in the city of Atlanta? Cause people stop and they're like, yeah, that's me and I've never heard anybody talk like that before. So they actually pay attention because it's a connection with them.
Speaker 2:I love that. How can?
Speaker 1:people find you. What's the best way to be able to connect with you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, On Instagram at chase life with Kelly. That's the best way.
Speaker 1:My website chase life with Kellycom and my podcast chase life with Kelly.
Speaker 2:It's also chase life with.
Speaker 1:Kelly, we aim to please over guys. We make it as easy as we can for you.
Speaker 2:I'm like I do have a TikTok and it is not Chase Life with.
Speaker 1:Kelly, it is, I am.
Speaker 2:Kelly Jace, I know I like really don't. It's too much for me. I'm like I need to hone in on one thing. But yeah, the Chase Life with Kelly podcast. I feel like it's gone through a lot of different things, but we focus the three things is mindset, relationships and entrepreneurship. So whatever we talk about, but it's around those three topics your favorite guest on there well one in particular.
Speaker 2:I mean well, two money mindset coaches. They're really like just very embodied, love them very like you can't change my mind like this is who I am and very authentic. So I've loved them. But Annalyn McCord she is an actress and also a philanthropist and advocate for like sex trafficking and whatnot. So she's been on my podcast twice.
Speaker 2:The first time that she was on she talked all about like her healing journey and her, I guess, label with dissociative identity disorder. It was a profound conversation. But yeah, she had a trauma, she had dissociative identity disorder. She did not remember what actually had happened to her until she had some type of like therapy done. And then she remembered and she was like Kelly, like I. I was so disconnected from my emotions like I and she goes. Kelly, I played a villain a lot for many of my scenes. She's just coincidentally like I've always played a villain and she goes. But there were times that I did have scripts where I would have to cry or maybe she would take one of her castmates scripts and like read the part where there was crying involved. She was like that's the only way that I could cry was connecting with a character and she said but ever since I did that therapy, I can cry on a drop of a pen now. And and she got emotional on my podcast and I was like oh my god.
Speaker 2:But then the second one she had released a film she was the main character in. It was called Conditioned to Return. It was about mass shootings and mental health and religion to the point of obsession it was. It doesn't make you. It wasn't like a, it was not a feel-good movie. I mean, she walks into a church and shoots up the church and basically said that God told me to do it Really fast. It was really intense, but I liked the awareness that the film gave. But she, she said when they were filming it is when the mass shooting in Udall V, texas happened to the school and she said so. We all came back on set the next day and we were like we can't do this. And she was like this is exactly why we need to do it. Yeah, it's hard, it's so hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so hard, it was so good, though there's some things you know we just there's some things we're not going to understand this side of eternity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for taking some time out. Thanks for having me. And hanging out today, Chase Life with Kelly to get to connect and get to meet you and say hi, dr Braley and hi, eric.
Speaker 1:Hi, dr Braley and Eric. We'll send them a clip. Guys, thank you for joining us on another episode of as the Leader Grows. I am your host, ken Johnson. This is Chase Life with Kelly. Check her out. We'll see you next week, thank you.