Street Farbrengen Episode 94 - Marcheshvan - from Fireworks to Ordinary but Dynamic

“Hey friends, welcome back to Street Farbrengen. We’re in that first quiet week after the many holidays of the Tishrei month, stepping into Mar-Cheshvan, where the calendar goes from fireworks to ordinary but Dynamic . 

And a real question hits: did anything actually change? Is my sigh of relief for the  return to the same old rhythm an indication of an answer of "No"! ? 

In this episode we unpack teshuvah in the context of —fantasy vs. dream, narrative vs. goal, and how having a clear kavana turns routine into avodah. We talk Shabbos Bereishis as a promotional reset button, Dirah Betachtonim as a living goal, and what it means to be the chooser—moment by moment. If you wondered, ‘Did I accomplish anything over Tishrei?’—you’re in the right farbrengen.”

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Okay, Ruven, we're now in the first week after the Yomin Tovim. We're heading into Markashvan, and I have to tell you, it feels good to be back into my routine. Did I just accomplish anything over Tishra?

SPEAKER_01 0:52

So Harry, I can relate to that question because that's the way I feel every time we we put up a podcast Street for Bringan. Um ouch. Um just realized what you said. Well, what you know, on one hand I can call you an epicorus. You went through Rosh Hashanah Yum Kippra, Sucus. How can you say, did I accomplish anything? On the other hand, what would happen if I said to you no? What would you do then? Repeat it?

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Well, obviously I know I accomplished something, but the the experience of change, I don't know if I've had externally.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Change you mean, of course, shuva, because otherwise, what change are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Yes, shuva returning to my former state of purity, however you wanted to find it.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

No, uh, in all seriousness, all that like little fantasy stuff you read about in anywhere from the rumbam until in Chasidis and the Zohar and all that kind of stuff?

SPEAKER_03 1:54

So my point is, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

That's the question, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:58

To you and to everybody else listening. Do you think that all that chuva stuff from the rumbam all the way to and halach all the way down to the up to the Zahar and the Reb and Chasidis, do you think it's just a fantasy? If it's not a fantasy, then you had a good Tishra.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Yeah, but um, I I did and I experienced those things while they were happening, but now I they're like a distant memory, and I don't know if I've if I feel a change now myself. Oh I'm I'm I'm just saying, like I like breathed a sigh of like oh like the comfortability of routine, of routine. Yes, I can't. And I feel weird about that. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Now the kids can go back to school, quiet in the house, and um you don't have to put up those nasty little messages on emails when it says uh we are not in the office for like half the month. What the heck is going on, anyways? Um do you really asking this question? Did you accomplish anything?

SPEAKER_03 3:06

No, no, no. I I know I accomplished. I I did have a very good Tishra Hashem. I do feel like things shifted and moved within myself, but when I when I really I when I look at I guess just me in general, the fact that my comfortability in my routine and that my routine doesn't change makes me feel like it didn't permeate in a pneumistic way.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Well, I want to make sure I understand what you're saying. So you're happy to be back at work on a scheduled cyclic cyclical basis. Is that a good way of saying it? Sure. Okay. And you are assuming that that puts into question whether you had a good Tishra or not?

SPEAKER_03 3:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

That's a well that's what you're asking. So that's so what's the what's the assumption? If you had a good Tishra, what would happen? You wouldn't go to back to work?

SPEAKER_03 4:01

I mean, what I would uh that's a good question. I would go back to work with a different enthusiasm, with a different style of.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Oh, so it's not back to routine, it's just back to your unenthusiastic routine.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

Well. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

I'm asking you.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

No, because I'm generally an enthusiastic person, so it's not unenthusiastic, it's just with the same level of enthusiasm as I what I was doing before. I put a lot of things on hold throughout T-Shred.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

You should become more enthusiastic. Or differently enthusiastic. I don't know what's what in other words, you're asking this question. Is it coming from like uh, you know, like that that I'm thinking, okay, I can't remember what I'm thinking about, even though it's an image I had from my childhood. That that little parrot on your shoulder that's talking to you, saying it didn't do anything, it didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

I mean, this was inspired from a beautiful newsletter that I read last week from Rabbi Ruvain Flamer from KebabLife.tv. And I'm just telling you that it sparked within me the question of wow, it's it's a really it's just something that I I don't dwell on it, but when I think about it, it's a question I wanted to address.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

I can understand because like everything else in the world, we live under a certain cloud of of um heilism, where we forget very quickly all the things that we're going through. We're not even aware sometimes of the things that we're going through, like driving down a highway 80 miles an hour, you don't remember what you saw. So um, so I understand what you're you're saying. Um, but I think there's an expectation there that's a mistake. So I don't know what you mean by enthusiastic. Let's take that apart. What's the enthusiasm? You enjoy the work that you do? I do enjoy the work that you do. Okay, yeah. And you don't enjoy it now? After Tishrei?

SPEAKER_03 6:08

I do.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

So then what's the question? You should enjoy it more?

SPEAKER_03 6:11

I told you, maybe with a different enthusiasm, uh a new a new kavana or inspired um change of my inner being that makes me approach get a life. I I don't know. I'm I you're you're putting me on the spot. I didn't think about what I expected. No, I I want you to. That's what a fabric is. Think. I'm thinking open it up. Describing a change in enthusiasm is a weird question for me to answer right now. I don't know. How about that?

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Uh so it's okay. So the end of story.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

What do you mean? End of story. I'm just so so I shouldn't have an expectation of some type of thing. I didn't say that.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

I just I didn't say you shouldn't. I asked you what were you expecting or what are you thinking that you should have had that shows that because you don't, that maybe you didn't have a good Tishra and you didn't accomplish anything. Let's let's very simple. Let's let's break down all the questions. Do you feel certain that your bank account in the sky, so to speak, is set up? Yes. Okay. Do you feel certain it's for the good? Yes. Okay. Did you feel that way last April? No. Okay. So that's a change.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Okay. Now, you know, it's like it's coming up in my mind the idea of Yeshima Ayan. That why why I say that? Because every moment is recreated, right? Everything's new. Yeah, that's where it's like, you know, Chasidis 101. Okay. Well, one of the simple questions you can ask is so how come every second is not different than the second before? Like, in other words, like, why is everything still in place? You know, maybe now you're a Caucasian, and then a second from now you should be Chinese, and after that second, you should be African American, etc., etc. But everything's recreated with the same narrative that is that the second before. Okay. Okay. So does a person who tap for the first time taps into this idea of Yesh Mai and something from nothing every second, is he's thinking that he doesn't get it because he's not seeing such radical changes like I just described.

unknown 8:42

No.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

No. Okay, so so you're re-enthused and you're re-injuvenated, J E W, of that your parnas is taken care of. So now you have less worries than you had in May, June, July, right? Okay, good. That's good. That's good. That's a change, right? Um, you know, but you I go back to my favorite piece, which we've spoken about a number of times, and I'll I won't go off of that piece, and that is you have to have what's called, you have to have the thread in life. You have to have the arc. I call it the arc of of life. It's not me, I'd say there's an expression like that. The arc of living, the arc of life, and that is what's your did I talk? Did we speak about this before? I'm gonna say it like this. I was walking down the street on Shabbos, I have a long walk. So I have a big talk with myself. It's the only time I talk to myself. Well, that's not true, but it's the only time I have nobody else around, nothing around, no music and and blah, blah, blah. So and I asked myself, don't ask why, what's the difference between a dream and a fantasy?

SPEAKER_03 9:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

Okay, and I came to the conclusion a dream is a solid goal. I have a vision, and that vision is my goalpost. That vision is, you know, the flag on top of the mountain, capture the flag. That's gonna be what that's what I'm shooting for. What's fantasy? A whole script that I have in my head that comes first, and I conclude that I'm gonna get to a flag on top of the mountain. So the the journey of that fantasy, the journey that I predict, that narrative is a fantasy. Now, what's the difference? What about a goal? The goal's not a fantasy, it's a dream. Now the question becomes how will I go about attaining that dream? It's not now in a fantasy. If I start fantasizing about how I'm going to attain it, then we're back to square one where I'm into a fantasy mode. But if I'm focused on my goal, and let's say I want to make this year X amount of dollars, I'm gonna have to do X, Y, and Z. And what's the strategy? Let's talk about Ruknias. That's easier, right? So to speak. Um, I am gonna stay focused on Hashkakha Pratis. Okay, what's that's the that's the goal? Now I don't sit and fantasize of me staring up in the clouds and something happens to me. I can come make a whole story up and say that's what's ashkaka prratis, and do I no, that's fantasy. The goal is I'm going to focus on ashkakha prathas. Now the question I have to ask myself, what's the strategy to get there? What blocks me from getting there, etc., etc.

SPEAKER_03 11:46

So you're saying fantasy takes you away from thinking of the process to get to your goal?

SPEAKER_01 11:52

No, that's not what I'm saying. It's taking you away from the goal.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

Fantasy takes you away from the goal.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Because when you have a solid goal, you don't fantasize about the goal, you implement the goal.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Fantasy is like, you know, X and Y is I'm gonna win the lottery. And then you start thinking, I don't know, I'm just thinking off the top of my head, and then I'm gonna win the lottery, and I think about all the stuff I'm gonna give away to Tsadaka from that lottery gain that I had, right? Oh, I'll give to this organization and to that organization, and this good will happen, and this. I didn't have a goal to go and give X amount of dollars to Sadaka. I didn't have a goal to give to that organization that I now just in my scenario fantasized about giving. That wasn't my goal. It's the fantasy leads you to the assumption of a goal. I can give you a very, what's the word? Um I don't want to do it. So it's a family, uh it's a family uh podcast. Um you know it's it's the the the goal uh you know let's go we just came from Bracius, right? Yeah Ritsoyna rose in God's mind, or his will, I should say, to create the world. What was the arousal, the 7,000 years of history? Because we know that it says, right? And he's Mavdulbain or Ubain Kheshah, and how do he separated between darkness and light? And the question is, you don't need to do that because it's automatic. So that we have the madrashim and the Gemara and the Madrashim that say he hid it in the Torah. He took part of the light and he hid it in the Torah, right? That that great huge light, and that light you can see from one moment of the first moment of history to the end of history, right? Okay, so is that what God looked at when it was Alabirat Soina?

SPEAKER_03 14:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

No. Where show me in Chasidis where it says that it arose in his will.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

It was the anticipated pleasure he was getting from.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

No, you just had the word anticipated pleasure.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

I asked you, you know, it was the it was the 7,000 years of the Jews being in this world.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

No, that it was the Oynig. It wasn't the history that he created in his fantasy level of his mind that then. I mean, we're talking like, you know, be as if we're talking about our next door neighbor. Obviously, there's limitations to what we're talking about. I don't have to say that, right? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

So well, and let's see, we want people to think it was. What does it say, Albertson? You just said it, the oinig.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Not the from what? Not from the 1962, this happened, and not from this and that and the next thing. That comes, that or that was hidden was after the beginning of creation. That or is after, if you want to get technical, as far as I understand, it's after the first Simpson.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

We're talking about before the first Simpson.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

But it was a it was a Jew doing a mitzvah.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

But it was not specific. It wasn't the fantasy of the history.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

So I get your mushroom. I don't know if you're right about this, but uh, I I hear Well, let's call up our local competent.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

Go on. But I hear okay, so but I hear the point anyway.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

That if you think about it, what's my favorite piece? I tell you, that you have to have that thread, that you have to have that arc is what the Mafrida Kare says that on Russia between Rush Elul and Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippra all the way through, you have to have your Seder of Avoidus Hashem in your mind. And what and if you don't, the whole thing is superficial to you. Well, what do you mean? I'm I'm Rosh Hashanah, I'm Yom Kippra, I'm doing it all. How can you say it's superficial? Because you don't have a Sedrun Avoy Hashem. What is Avoid Hashem? So before we get to that answer, so what is this guy doing who doesn't have that in mind, a certain Sedrun Avoy Hashem? The answer is I'm gonna go through Rosh Hashanah. Think about it. I'm gonna go through Eloh, I'm gonna go through Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur and Sukhus. I'm gonna do all those things. I'm gonna go through all those, that journey with in mind that there will be, as I said before, the flag on top of the mountain to capture.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

No, it's the other way around. Yeah, that's what he's doing. But what you should be doing is you're saying picture that flag and then figure out how you're gonna get there.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

And if you think, I mean, obviously we're talking allegoric when we say flag. When you think about it, that was the khiddle, if we can call it a chiddish. That was a novelty, that was the revolutionary idea that bothered the Jewish world and the Rebbe's approach to Mashiach. Mashiach was the goal, is the goal. Now let's make it happen. What does the rest of the world do? We're gonna be Zoich, we're gonna merit Mashiach because we're gonna be good boys and girls, and therefore Mashiach will come. So you're not really fixated on what Mashiach is, you're fixated on the journey. The journey will create this thing called Mashiach. No, it's the other way around. The goal Mashiach will create your journey. So the real question is are you looking at your business, going back to what you originally started with? Are you going back to your week that's now routine in a way of in a pl context of journey or goal? Where are you sitting? Which picture? Journey or goal?

SPEAKER_03 17:58

So funny because in so many other times we've forbrained, you focus so much on the journey and on the not focusing on the pot at the end of the rainbow and no, that's in terms of reward.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Yeah. But you're you're not, you know, you're leaving.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

No, no, no. I'm just saying distinguish it because you're leaving out in context.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Why are you doing the what are you doing the work for?

SPEAKER_03 18:20

For the goal.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:22

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

Not for a pot at the end of the rainbow. So the Rebbe says this openly that after Tishrei, the reason why we go to he said it was an amazing thing. He says, Breshis baralakim, the parsha, quoting the Friday Rebbe, could be Mashlim, or could could complete or even add to whatever was missing in Tishra. And it could be it can complete what was missing in Tishrei or add even if it wasn't missing. The parsha of Breshis, Shabbas Breshis, right? So how is that? Like, why is that? And he says it in context of a voida of dirba tachtanyim. Dirba tachtonim is the goal, isn't it? Okay, so does it mean that there's an acute this is what I meant before about pot of the rainbow is I'm gonna do all the things that I have to do. I'm gonna go to shool and I'm gonna learn, I'm gonna do this, and then cumulatively will add up to having a dirba tachtonium. Okay, what about a no dirba tachtonim is the goal? Okay, just like you have a goal in business, you sit down and you make a plan, and that plan you're gonna work it so that you're gonna make the money or whatever it is you're trying to construct. Okay. So now let's say that in terms of dirba tachtonim. What's the strategy? What's my thinking? What's my focus? Uh, how do I then now I change?

SPEAKER_03 19:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

And that's what isn't that what Tishana is?

SPEAKER_03 19:59

I got it. I got it.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

So you okay, so for You know, we're focused, we're focused on L about our bad journey.

unknown 20:06

Right?

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Yeah. Oh, I did better. Oh, yeah, yeah. I still was in the in the shoulder. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, look, yeah, okay. What about just focusing that it that has been a journey and you lost sight of the goal?

SPEAKER_03 20:19

So I guess it's never too late to start having that goal though. 100%. Okay, I got that. So let me ask you, Ruvain, do you have any suggestions of how to stop fantasizing and switch to having the dream goal process?

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Yeah, it's simple. I don't understand why you're asking that question. Tell me what the goal is.

SPEAKER_03 20:42

So you're saying, well, in the fantasy.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

No, the fantasy option is because of the fantasy, I will have the goal.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

The goal will be materialized. That doesn't mean you have the goal in front of you.

SPEAKER_03 20:59

Okay, I I got that. So I'm saying, how do you get yourself out of it? I guess you're saying just a lot of it.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

Okay, so now you're asking, not yes, you got clear on the goal, but yes, we're addicted to the narrative. There's no question about it. So then how do you Okay, but what's and what's the addiction? What is the not only what is the addiction, what is the benefit of the addiction?

SPEAKER_03 21:23

The benefit of the addiction. You're saying of fantasy. Yeah. Jewish.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

Well, let's talk Jewish fantasy about our religious life.

SPEAKER_03 21:33

Well, you could stay a victim. Which means you continue in the narrative of victimhood because it's not up to the body. No, I know what you mean by that by it's not up to you to get to the goal.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

No, you don't you don't when you're focused on the victimhood, you don't have a goal. Doesn't that think about what the altar Ibba says. Although says in Tanya that a person who realizes he's not at Sahara, he did a veras and he gets depressed. He says it's the Yatzahara. And he also basically says in the vernacular that it's all uh Wienerschnitzel, right? Why? Because you thought you were at Sadik. Now your Nayat Zahara tells you you see you're not at Sadik. And the conclusion is they've been working so hard and you got nowhere, so throw the towel into uh what does it say? Throw the towel in and just have a good time. Because you you you you did so much you got nowhere, anyways. That's narrative. Whoever said in the Alt Tereb is famous, right? Where does it say by the Altareb that our goal is to be Tsadikim? Never. That's right. That's a narrative, that's a fantasy. That's why you have a hard time with all those people who act like they're big Tsadikim. Because you know they're not. So then are they liars? Are they they're they're fooling themselves? But they're into the fantasy. Isn't maybe another way of saying it is Maisuhu Ikr. The Rebbe is very big on Maisu Iqr. The main thing is action. Does that mean you don't have any feelings? No, that's not what that means. It means the focus is action. So therefore the Rebbe learns constantly, even if he doesn't say it, the way the Rebbe learns tairah is everything is lush and haira. A lesson in action, even if it's emotional and uh mental action, if you wish. But it's not just and and a guy who learns theory and is methalpal with his theories is living in, so to speak, religious fantasy. At least in my estimation. So did you accomplish anything on Tishra?

SPEAKER_03 24:01

Well, I I definitely I definitely had a goal. Four no, no, for the year. Okay. And so I'm going to go. Yeah. So I guess I did. So that's nice.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

I guess it just doesn't feel Yeah, but the question now, maybe what you're missing is if you have a goal and during Rosh Hashanah and Viter, how does Rosh Hashanah all the way to the end of Simplistra interact with that goal? That's where whether or not Tishra accomplished anything. You're telling me I have a goal. We have to have a goal. This is what we're saying today. Okay. What are you doing? I mean, we're going backwards now in time, but what are you doing, Roshanium Kippra, etc., etc., that sets up the success of that goal. Okay. And don't tell me Schusim. I don't care about Susim.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

No, no. I having that goal in mind, and it was a part of my davening. It was a part of my focus in Shuva with tears and you know, you know what it says about tears of sadness, you know, in Russia Shining Nom Kippur and tears of joy in Sucus and Sim Kostora. So it was working through the city.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

So then why would you have a question?

SPEAKER_03 25:17

Whether you I guess I guess I was hoping it would feel more, it would feel different.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

You have a whole year ahead of you, man.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

I know. I I was I mean, like, I wasn't being cheeky in the sense that I was lying about my question, but you know, I I guess it was just a lack of um uh a lack of it was it was an expectation that I didn't have clear what it would look like, but I guess because I had that in mind and had that goal in mind and I'm implementing that now, it's a slow but sure, surely process of it.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

So the real question is You know what I think the answer to the question, did a Tishree accomplish anything? If you don't forget that you just came from Tishree. Because I think a lot of people are just like they they they can get you can get into a space of you know giving a sigh of relief. And I got it past me, and I showed up, I did it. The example I gave is like the med student who finishes his exams, you know, he's he did the hard work. Thank God it's over. You know, if you say thank god Tishra's over, I get the r the feelings behind it, but um then it has no connection to the rest of the year. So then what do you do if you feel that? Well you know you have the famous story where uh was the Rebbe Shab said now that we did chuva on Yom Kippra, what do we do after Yom Kippra? And the answer is we we just now do chuva again, so do chuva. That's the chuva.

SPEAKER_03 27:02

So how was your transition from Tishrei to Hol?

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Um It was a little tough physically, but um because I was uh get past a certain age took too much booze or something. I don't know what it is, but it was tiring. Um my transition, I'm still in the transition. So it was good, it's good. Um thank god. You have your goal clear, you're oh yeah. I have a four-point goal.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yeah. Thank you very much. Um and uh getting to that goal is a little bit of a challenge though. It wasn't it's not high for Luton goals, but you know one of the things that I've been focused on is what's my focus. More importantly than what's my focus, am I focused on anything? So I came to the conclusion, you know, I think we were talking about it before uh Rosh Hashanah, but I came to the conclusion that all of real sp life, spiritual life, caducial life is being the chooser every moment. Even if you make a wrong choice, just be the chooser. Don't be a pinball. And I don't can I give that example to a guy your age? Okay. So don't be a pinball getting knocked around by flippers and other things, and the lights go on and off, and everybody, you know, the points added up. You gotta you gotta be the kavana. We were learning that Maima, right? All the oiros el yoinim all are for a kavana. Right? The the all the the yeh or the light, there's a reason for the light. There's a kavana for the light, there's a kavana for everything that's happening. You may not so you have to, as a participant, I have to go and be macavane to something, I have to have something in mind. And I don't know if that's the case. I mean, I know it's not the case a lot of the time. And by the way, in a fantasy state, there's no kavana. Goal makes you have kavana.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

It's very interesting. I know I'm going back now, but they really do seem very similar. Fantasy and and dream or goal. I I mean, you're saying because the fantasy is going to then expose or create the goal, but it could end up actually looking exactly the same. I I go back to the Mashiach example. People's people's fantasy or of you know, Skusim and the journey, and they're not focused on Mashiach, and they're gonna say Hashem is gonna reveal Mashiach whenever Hashem is ready, you know, or bring Mashiach whenever he's ready, and it's not up to me, versus the Rebbe who's saying You know, live with Mashiach now and you know open up your eyes, and Mashiach is here, and so therefore it changes the the paradigm of what it means living with the goal.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

I don't know if I mentioned this to you. I was at a I was at uh uh a Shalom Zachar to a very interesting uh place and story, which I won't go into. And there was a guy there. It was a Lubabacher um kind of environment, but in a an eclectic shoal. So one of the guys there was uh, you know, came from I don't know, Windsor, whatever. He lives there in that town, and uh where the Shom Zakar was, and he's got a Strymal on and Payas, and we were for bringing. We were for bringing pretty good. We were for bringing from about 10 o'clock at night till four in the morning. Okay. And a lot of it was the kinds of things we talk about. You know, I don't I'm not that new, so you know, I brought up the same stuff we talk about here, you know. And the guy says back to me, this Strymel Payas guy, he's about 26, 27 years old, maybe at the most. And he says, I'm not interested in any of the spiritual stuff. I'm not interested in having any kinds of this like relationship, you know, whatever we were talking about, Ava Vieira and the Moon and Bataka. I don't have time for it. I only have the focus to make the$200,000 I need to support my family. And he's and so I said back to him, I looked at him and I'm thinking to myself, I said, okay, Ruven, don't say what you want us first say, because that's not a good idea. I said even on Chavez? And he looked like I kind of gave him a little bit of a punch in the solar plexus, because even on Chavez, you can't care about any of this stuff? Right? But think about it, I don't care about any of this stuff. Okay. So what is his religious life? Getting by? Um survival? So you don't get clobbered by some god in the sky with his club? What is what what now he's just an example because a lot of us are living that kind of a life.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

No, it's it's I mean, for somebody who knows what the feeling of just being in survival mode is when you're in survival, you're not fantasizing and you're not dreaming. You're you're well that's true. Yeah. Um but wait a second.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

So he the good point. So he saw everything we were foreigning about as fantasy. That's my point. And he didn't see it as talk around a goal. And I bet you there's a lot of people who say the same thing in Lubavitch about Mashiach. That all the talk, and if and we like to use the iconic negativities of the Mishigoyam running around with their flags all over the place, that it's all fantasy. And how do they put up with that living in fantasy? And you pat yourself on the back and you say, I'm grounded, I don't live in fantasy. But let me ask you if this guy has a real goal, I don't know, we're not talking about anyone specific. If you have a real goal, a lot of the stuff that goes on about Mashiach and Chabad came from the Rebbe directly, right? Simcha for the sake of Simcha and dance on the Yom Tovim and so on and so and even the Kananahar and uh dancing on the Simcha's basis Shaiva is from the Rebbe, right? Okay. If you have the goal, then what you're looking at doesn't across doesn't come across as a fantasy. But if you don't have the goal, it does.

SPEAKER_03 34:03

Doesn't come across as fantasy. What do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_01 34:06

If if you have a goal of that I have to live with and bring Mashiach, then dancing in the streets with your yellow uh on Simch Space Shaiva with your Mashiach flag is not a living a fantasy. But if you think that if you live in a place, not think, but if you live in a state where Mashiach is not your goal, and you're looking on the on the sidewalk at all these people dancing at three o'clock in the morning with their flag waving, then you look at them, you say they're living in a fantasy.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

So that's the point. What's your goal? And that's maybe the you know, I I'll I'll I'll wax rabbinic. The first rashi.

unknown 34:47

Right?

SPEAKER_01 34:48

Breshi's baralakim, though I'm a Reb Yisraq, the Turd should start off with the first mitzvah, a khoitchella. So why is it starting off with a story about the going uh about about Breshi's Baralakim? Right, and the answer that Rabbi Yitzhak gives, the Rebbe's very big on this first Rashi, is in order to tell us that if the nations of the world, surprise, surprise, should say that you stole Eretz Israel, you come back and you say Bresh's Barlachim, right?

unknown 35:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

So the Rebbe asks, you know, why should the Torahs change its say there just to answer them? The Torah should have started with Havamin and Terrah's, you know, assumption in Torah's Torah. It should have should have started with Khajem, the first mitzvah. Instead, it went this way, but just because all the rest of the world said, and and what does it mean? The Rebbe asks, what does it mean all the Goyim are gonna say? What do you mean all the goyem? Some shmo bagel in Chile cares about what goes on in in in in Haifa? And the answer is yeah. So the Rebbe says, why? What do you mean you stole it? You took it out of the same rules of engagement and same rules of definition of every other country because it's holy. You stole from us a mundane piece of land, right? And you say there's a different there's a different mitz uh animal here that's called Eris Israel, that's different from anything else. Okay. Is that narrative or goal?

SPEAKER_03 36:27

By the goyem, it's narrative.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

No, I'm talking about the the fact that the Torah says it's goal.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

It tells you that I'm saying it's very interesting because the goyem in even in that story, Medrish, not story, uh Medrish, yeah, it sounds like they're they're seeing the Jews what they want as a narrative or as a fantasy.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

And that's why we have the real that's the real undercurrent of the fight right now, the whole world against the Jews and Eris Israel. And the reason why I say that is like this. If you say there's an eretic Israel that was given by God, which is the Rebbe's platform from the beginning, right? Not all the other Khazarai that they used to say, the Balfour Declaration, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you're saying, A, there's a God. B, you're saying he gave it to us, the land of Israel. But most importantly, you're saying there is a goal of creation. You're saying there's a God, you're saying there's a Dirabatakunim is the goal. You're saying that the Jewish people and the rest of the world are all gonna serve Hashem, and it was, and there was a har Sini, and everyone else is saying, No, no, no, no, no, no, there's no goal, there's only narrative, and we don't like yours, we like ours better. And eventually we'll get to a narrative that'll reach you know some kind of goal that they have, you know, whatever their goals are, if uh out of the narrative. But the ikru by them is a narrative, and I think that if we have to capture what happened on Tishra, is we just have to be very, very, very clear. What's your the goal? Anyway, I'm not I'm not talking about how much money you're gonna make. What's your state of being goal? What's your relationship goal with Hashem internally, and then everything else will follow because that is what Bir Dir Batakhtani is.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

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