Street Farbrengen Episode 116 - Chol Ha Moed Poolside chills in Florida

"I don't miss the Rebbe. I miss the farbrengens."

That's how this pre-Pesach Street Farbrengen opens — and it only gets messier  from there.

Reuven and Zacharia dig into one of the most provocative questions in Chabad today: what does it mean to be connected to the Rebbe in such a generation as ours? And what happens when Amalek's strategy isn't to fight the light — but to get you chasing light to begin with?

From the Rebbe's first Yud Alef Nissan message  to poolside chills in Florida, to whether asking "why was the Rebbe crying at Hallel" is actually an Amalek move — this episode pulls no punches.

The real question of Pesach isn't how many grams of matzah you need to eat. 

It's what you're actually biting into.

Chag kasher v'sameach. Come hungry.

Transcript

Missing The Rebbe Or The Moment

SPEAKER_01 0:00

So I had an interesting conversation pop up last week on Yudal of Nissan.

SPEAKER_02 0:06

Somebody came over to me and asked me, Do I miss the Rebbe? And I thought about it.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

And the answer I came up with and I don't this wasn't an intellectual answer, this was just a real answer, surprised me. And I said, I don't miss the Rebbe. I just missed the Fabringans.

SPEAKER_04 0:58

So your answer was no. Huh. Okay. Uh you've you've intrigued me, Ruven. Okay, you didn't exactly say no. You said no, you missed the Febragens. Help me. Help me.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

I said I don't miss the Rebbe, I miss Febrangans. Yeah, okay okay, explain that. It's not I don't really don't miss. No, I don't miss the Rebbe. Okay. Okay, first of all, you know, the way I put it is I don't have any any pamphlets I could put out at a kid's wedding about all of my conversations and letters between me and the Rebbe. So my relationship with the Rebbe is primarily my moram, sikhas, and visceral emotional connection.

SPEAKER_04 1:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

And that for me remains. And how can I miss what's here? I don't see the how should we say the theater. I don't mean that negatively. The theater of a Febringon moment. Uh or and and and what that entailed. Of course I miss it, because I don't have it. But Rebbe? I have Rebbe.

SPEAKER_04 2:25

That's really beautiful. So for all those like us, like my unlike my side of the table who never got to see the Rebbe, you're saying I could also not miss the Rebbe, and you think that that's 100%. So when a person says that they wish they could see the Rebbe, ask the Rebbe a question, write to the Rebbe, do something like that, what's your response to them?

The Average Guy In A Data Age

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Obviously I understand that. We'd rather see the Abishta in Giluya because Hatsumus Umohos is a lot harder to hold on to. I think that the way we're living today, the culture that we're in, the level that we're in, I thought about it that and I think that I've come comfortable saying that the average guy is an average guy. Right?

SPEAKER_04 3:32

It doesn't sound provocative, but explain what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

In other words, there are special Talmil Khachamim that are the Rabunum, and there are I'm sure people who know Chasidis, you know, I'm always amazed at the ones who put out all the Sporum with all the Mari Makimis, and they I'm assuming they know them, unless it's AI putting it out while they're at the beach. But um so there's Yehidisegulum, but the the Riv um is a very simple creature today.

SPEAKER_04 4:11

I don't know if that's today, that's all time.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

I think even more because and the reason why I say that is because we have access to a lot of material that wouldn't make you Roivum. 500 years ago, 400 ago, 300 years ago, you had pogroms. It was hard to make a eco living with your potatoes in in the ground and trying to sell them in the marketplace, and you had all these difficulties and you had a lot of disease and you didn't live very long. And I can keep going on and on. And today we have access, forget about the negative. We have X access to every safer, to every idea. I was just thinking about this the this evening that, oh, I don't know about this and that. And I said, you know, I'll go ask Rov. What is it? Ask Rov.org or something. Ask Rav. You know, it's like, and it's it's like you don't need a rabbi anymore. All you need is a computer, and you're done with. So I'm you know, I'm saying a little bit in tongue-in-cheek, but the bottom line is that I say we're simple despite our access to what's there. And it does sound like you're putting it down. And we think no, I'm just saying, and we think and have hasagas that are not, I think, by and large, spiritually, are not by and large very sophisticated. We I don't think the average guy has a has a goal of some spiritual by the way, this segues into another issue. Uh and I don't think the Mishpiam even have a spiritual goal for their students. They have compliance goals, but not spiritual goals, not feeling goals, not where's your heart? Oh, let's speak about what's going on in your life and let's deal with it and let's bring, let's, let's, let's, you know, whatever. Everything is very formalized there. Rebbe's answers are in all the letters, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So the reason why I say it's a segue is because on the other side of that, and the proof of what I'm saying, unfortunately, that it's accurate to a degree, is how much Mishagas is going on with looking for spiritual weekends and looking for Kabbalistic, you know, um ammunition to make your life wonderful and and putting out books about we're going to make the Seder different than it's never been before. And we're looking, there's a thirst. We've spoken about so much often so often, there's a thirst for something more than just meets the eye. And so on one hand, we're not sophisticated, and on the other hand, we're looking for sophistication, you would say that. We're looking for a quick trip, is really what we're looking for. But but and and a lot of it ends up to be total stus and total self-centeredness and spiritual BS and spiritual Okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:17

Before before we go down that road, yeah. Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna challenge.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

Challenge me. It's it's uh era of Pesach. Deflate, deflate my hummus. That's not my job. You could do that yourself. No, I can't. You'll have to help me. That's what a Fabrain is all about. Deconstruct the Humutz and turn into a piece of matza.

SPEAKER_04 7:44

Okay. So I've always thought about this in terms of how many chasidim did the Rebeyim quote um tell stories about.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Okay, Ruchtik.

SPEAKER_04 8:00

Yeah. So the idea that, you know, the Alta Rebbe had 50,000 chassidim, but you can name ten meant that Yeah, there's it doesn't mean there's nobody else. I'm not saying that there's nobody else, but I'm saying you talk about the average, it's the same and and the Mittler Rebba doubled it. So you're talking about a hundred thousand chasidim. And and again, they they were supposed to be extremely special, but I'm saying the ones that we know and the rest, so I'm just pushing back a little bit that I don't think this is such a such a fine is not so it's not such a khilish.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

Well, there is a navkamina because you're you were kind of pointing to our accessibility and the the coupling of the fact that we want it all and at the same time, you know settle. Is that is that a b is that a good way of putting it? Settle settle beruchnius, settle um in terms of expectations for Meshbiam and their students.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

No, I'm talking about people's um drive.

SPEAKER_04 9:15

But the people's drive to go on those weekends to get those quick fixes. Okay. Well now we're now we're back to modern day. You have to you have to bring me up to speed follow wherever you lead. So the dangerous roadway, be careful of that.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

But the the idea that the idea that you're not naive enough to think that I would really follow you whenever you leave, right?

SPEAKER_04 9:44

Go on. You just said that you still have the Rebbe, so absolutely not. The people who need to follow now. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

I have the Rebbe doesn't mean I follow him.

SPEAKER_04 9:55

I feel like if you have the Rebbe, then you can't follow anybody else.

The Rebbe’s Ask: Simple Sincerity

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Oh, I don't follow anybody else, that's for sure. So there you go. Okay. But that doesn't mean I listen, you know, to the Rebbe. I saw something on Yud Al of uh on you on Shabbas before Yud Alv Nissan that is it's well known for those people who read these kinds of things or whatever, but I had never seen this. The first Yud Al of Nissan after the Rebbe's Rebbe is Yud Al of Nissan, Tapshin Yud Aliv.

SPEAKER_04 10:24

Correct.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

The Rebbe, so they have imprinted in the Hisvadus that you have here on the shelf, the only thing they have for Yud Alv Nissan is that the Rebbe was going to the oil. And he asked, I'm not sure the secretary, I'm not sure if it was Rebbe Groner or whatever, they asked the secret he asked the secretary to tell everybody in the Z in, I guess, the Zal, that those people who want to so those people who are willing to commit to follow whatever they are told should write in their names and their mother's name. And I will mention them at the oyol. And then the Rebbe adds, I'm not asking for you to go up to the highest heavens. This is the part that now totally screwed up my whole shabbas. The Rebbe says, I'm only asking for sincerity. That was the first Yudal of Nissan. You just ruined my night. So umheim.

SPEAKER_04 11:42

It's that is extremely you know moving and kind of hits you back because the the question that's asked so often is like, what did the Rebbe request or need to have you define yourself as a Lebovateur, as a Chabadnik, you know, it it it always seems like oh the Rebbe just accepted everybody. You know, there's no expectations if you're if you love the Rebbe, you're well he did accept everybody, it doesn't mean that he called them a I mean if he wants that they were Hasidim. No, but but the the point here is actually a point that you've made on Striferbringen many, many times, which is it's about sincerity.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

It's not about what you do, it's about it's not about doing makes you worthy, but you know, Mesu Icker.

SPEAKER_04 12:39

Yes, yes. But the sincerity part is the is the Icker of what it means to be connected to the Rebbe. He's real. Real needs to be connected to real. Again, you compare to uh compare to the Friday Karebba, the Fridaika Rebbe required Messiras Nefesh, because that's what was needed at the time. The the the Rebbe needed obviously Messiras Nefesh also, but he needed he needed ghoulah, he needed Mashiach. That only comes with sincerity, that only comes with realness.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Let me explain before what we were talking about. Sorry, yeah, we went off topic a bit. No, it's not off topic. The Rebbe I saw also in Tashin Yudala says that um somebody had wrote him a letter about the Frida Krebba. So this is before this is like still a couple of months after Yud Shad. Tushin Yudal. Yud. Tashin Yud, excuse me. And the Rebbe says that this was it Yud Alba or Yud that I saw this, I'm not sure. And the Rebbe says that this individual wrote a letter to the Rebbe and said he had amazing relations uhidas with the Frida Karebbe, and he was praising the Frida Karebbe. And he said that the Frida Karebbe told him that if you're Makusher to me, you are going to be Makusher to who I am Makusha too. And this guy writes in the letter, says the Rebbe, that obviously he meant the Rebbe Rashab. Okay?

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

And the Rebbe said says in the Sikha he meant the phrase of a Rebbe meant Atmus Umahos.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

If you're makush to me, you're makush to Asmus Umohus. So that's what I mean by Gilu. There's n the the this generation think about it as a practical uh fact. We don't have Giluyim of the Lababish Reb. Whether you like it or not. Not, but I get it. We have egress and we have to go to the oil and watch the movie on the TV.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

So your so your comment in the beginning is that you don't miss the Rebbe because you have the Rebbe Atmosamahos. You have you have him. And that's a that's a beautiful that's a beautiful statement and a beautiful heragish to have and something that we all aspire to, and there are a lot of us who obviously do feel connected to the Rebbe, even though we never got to see him and we had no Gilujam. And then at the same time, you also made the second statement, which is I miss the Ferbragans.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Right.

SPEAKER_04 15:45

So you have both experiences. You do miss the Giluliam.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

That was obviously we live in a generation that we in a in a time period where we don't have Giluyam. Yeah. Okay, that's not. How should I put this? It's not Bederach Mikra that this is the way it is. And what are we going to do? No, this is a direct consequence of Asmus Mohos, meaning De Ibishta, making it this way. Yeah. Okay. So what's the avoida? The avoid is to connect to Asmus Mohos, not to connect to the Giluim. That's right. I mean So, on one hand, I'm saying to you that we live in a generation that's not looking for Gilujum in general. We don't think we're Shyak to Gilujum.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

Well, we want a quick fix. The people who are looking for the quick fix, you could argue are looking for gilujum.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

Okay. Quick fix. Hasidim never understood Gilujum was a quick fix. This is a new phenomenon that's This is also a new phenomenon that we don't have any Gilujum. Um in Lebabaj not.

SPEAKER_04 16:56

Let's put it a different way. Let's put it a different way.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

In Lebabaj Not, but whatever. So it's new, but I'm saying to you that okay, if you want to talk about why is it that No, I'm going to say to you like this. I don't know if I know what I'm talking about. Because the avoid is Asmas and Mahos, there's a tsada kineged that makes people look in the wrong places, albeit for Gilouin.

SPEAKER_04 17:26

Say that in a different way. I like what you just said. I'm just saying in a different way, please.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

Let me put it like to you this way.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

We learnt together in a Mimer, and it's said in various places, that you can't have a negotiation with Malik.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

That's right. Right? You're not gonna lift him up. You have to just obliterate him. Right? Why do we say that? Because if with the other nations of the Kananim, right, the Shiva Kananim, if you go and you explain to them and you show them and you explain to them, they will say, Wow, I had it all wrong, and now I want that also, basically, is what would happen. A Malek, in other words, they are the the seven seven nations are saying, I was in the dark, now I see the light. I can't pretend anymore. Right? Okay, so to speak. A Malek says, Show me all the light you want. Screw you, I hate you anyways, I'm not involved. Okay, and I'm gonna put doubt in your Giluium.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Okay. So what does Amalek do in a generation that doesn't have gilujum?

SPEAKER_02 18:56

I'm listening.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

What's his what's his splashing water on the fire if there's no gilujum? Go get gilui, go to the So here comes here comes exactly. Here comes the generation that has to figure out something about Asimus and Mahos, and comes the Malik and says, Asimus and Mahos, who wants that? Let's go for some Ghiluium. And now you have people running around doing all of their shtus, and it is shtus, and all of their hope and all of their fantasies, uh, don't get me going, and all of their astrology, and all of their breathing, which I have I love to breathe, and uh and I and I do breath work. But and especially the drug culture, and especially I saw a poster this morning on a chat about something that was happening during in, I guess it's in Florida, in Holomoid. Okay, that this is what they wrote on the chat. So this is an ad, I won't you say the name for Halomoid Pesach, available in Florida. I don't know if this is an ad to get a gig or what. Musical Hollow, a little or slomo vibe over there. Kumsitz, I don't know whose vibe that is. No, this is the one that caught my eye. You ready? Pull side chills. Now, the last time I had a pull side side chill, I'm not gonna say where I was looking and what I was looking at and what I was drinking, but what the heck does pullside chills have to do with chalomoid? Right? Okay. This group that's advertising this is advertising to a group of people who are a little younger than you and much younger than me, who believe that pullside chills is integral to chalomoid. Yeah. And that is part of the experience, the religious experience of Yiddishkait.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

So what I'm saying to you, that is a Malik saying, go for Giluim, because I'm not saying it's not fun. Of course it's fun. Go for Giluium, even though you can have Asmus Umahos. So I I wanna So it's a flip of the normal history.

Pesach: Beyond Miracles To Atzmus

SPEAKER_04 21:21

Yeah, no, it is. It's it's I mean, and again, we're we're coming into Pesach. Again, I don't know if this is gonna be posted before Pesach, but we're but Pesach is a time to discuss all of the Gilliam that Hashem did for us. No. In it uh, I I'm about to make the point no, but it it is on the surface about all of the revealed miracles that Hashem did for us in Mitzraim and taking us out of Mitzrayim and then going forward. But the Icker. Of the whole second half of the Seder is about the foot future uh future Gaula. And that is Uran and Neflois is actually not about Giluiam, it's only about Atmos. You're right. It's pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Right, but the Moral we've we we said this last time we met. Last time we forbring the morale prague says the state. The Seder is not about Giluyam. It's about the state of the person. I understand. The ability to change your state is not Giluiam. If you are responding to Gilujam and therefore you change how you feel, that's not Asmus and Muhos. You haven't changed. Everybody is going to respond to the environment that they're in. So if you have an environment that has giluiam, you will respond to it, which is what's happening for most people. So some people gave up a long time ago, and other people say, bring the guitar, bring the drums, and I'll be in the spoil. I get it. But we're saying it's Asmuslamhos. So I mean the morale doesn't use that language, but that's what he's saying. You could change state. You can change being this, who you are. And that and you can go basically from victim to what's the opposite of victim?

SPEAKER_04 23:17

Hero.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

No. Whatever. You can go from victim to be in control of Agent. Agency. Agency, yes. That was That's your favorite word. No, it's not my favorite one. It was the favorite word of the woman that I did that uh mushroom trip with for my film. Agency, agency, agency. I thought it was but that's where it came from. I actually didn't know that. Yeah, that's where it came from for me. Um and then of course I work for the with the USDA, which had which is an agency of the government.

SPEAKER_04 23:48

So I don't think that's the agency you're referring to.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

That's for sure enough. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:54

So but that's what but I'm serious. The the you're saying it's about the state, but um my understanding I'm not disagreeing with it. I'm just saying disagree with the morale. I'm not disagreeing with the morale, the but but like I like I was saying, the the thing that everybody's waiting for, the big revelation of Mashiach and Gaula in the world, yeah, is actually not a revelation. Correct. It's Atsusamahus.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

Well, they don't realize that.

Stop Explaining The Rebbe’s Tears

SPEAKER_04 24:25

Well, saying that's the that's the thing you have to misbound it on because that's the and I don't know how many people are really waiting for. I mean, like I I heard I heard this past week that the that the Rebbe would cry when he would be saying singing halo um in the second half of the Seder.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Did you have that one did you hear that one of those um reminiscing for bragins that you went to? I hate reminiscing for bragons. Are you about to go on a tangent about this now? No, it's not a tangent. Okay, the Rebbe used to cry, therefore.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

No, so what I'm I was thinking, yeah, was he was he was he crying because that halel is connected to the future ghoula. Was he crying, you know?

SPEAKER_01 25:12

You have a Havamina the Rebbe was crying because of the future gula.

SPEAKER_04 25:16

I I didn't I was just thinking through what it what what was the crying? Why do you need to know why the Rebbe was crying? I don't need to. I was thinking about it.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

You can think about it all day long, you're not gonna know. I know, but I was Again, the It's fun to ask questions you can't answer, huh?

SPEAKER_04 25:31

Yeah. Yeah, it's theoretical questions, it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

No, it's not even theoretical. You can't even answer them.

SPEAKER_04 25:38

Okay. My point, my point in saying that though is I hate that. Oh my god. Ruby.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

I'm sorry, I hate that. I think it's a misuse of time, energy, and reba.

SPEAKER_04 25:49

I I wasn't the one who I'm only responding to you. Yeah, well, I brought it up because again, the idea.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

You know what it says in Allah? It says if the guy tells you to steal, you can't and you steal, you can't say the guy made me do it.

SPEAKER_04 26:02

You're saying because I brought it up. Yes, okay. I brought it up. I was I was I was moved by the fact that the Rebbe cries during the question.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Why was he crying? Why?

SPEAKER_04 26:16

No, I I after I was moved by the fact that the Rebbe was crying during the ball, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

I was thinking that those tears about so I'm saying to you, right, stop right there. The Rebbe crying is Asmus Mohus, and you're fakaktakatra. Why is he crying as Giluyim? And it's pouring water on the picture of the Rebbe crying that you yourself are moved by. And that's a mulek. You just called me out for being a mulek. No, and you're not a malak. Well, you th what do you mean you you're oh I see. You're upset because I think that you have the clip of someek. Well, why are you different than all the rest of us?

SPEAKER_04 27:01

I just don't want to show everybody that I'm you don't have to show, they know.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

Well, you don't want to show. Just joking. I'm just joking. Oh, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 27:11

So you're saying the question itself is a Malik? Yeah.

unknown 27:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

You have a glimpse of an emo within the emotional response of being moved of your Rebbe crying, and you have to step back at some point and start asking why. Why is Sekel, why is Gilujim, why has a whole culture behind it that I just is, yeah, I'm saying it's taking you away from the essay.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

Okay. I hear that. Good.

SPEAKER_04 27:49

And still, I'm just saying that. Okay, you don't like that it's an intellectual exercise. I wasn't doing it as an intellectual exercise. I I was moved by it, and then I was thinking about it. Anyway, whatever. You can't get an answer. I'm not looking for an answer.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

So what are you looking for? I'm asking the question for the not an answer? Yeah, you want to know all of the possibilities, dream it up in your mind, and write a movie script about it.

SPEAKER_04 28:15

The idea that like the Rebbe was crying because he was sad is first of all, how do you know he was sad? I don't. That's my point. Is I'm I'm trying, I I was trying to connect to what that feeling would be like to cry for Halel.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

So I was just That's even worse than what I just told you.

unknown 28:38

Why?

SPEAKER_01 28:39

If I can describe in words what the Rebbe was feeling at Halel, I would now be able to know what it means to feel crying in Halel. B S with a capital G-O-L-D called gold.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

In case you don't know how to spell. How could listen what you're saying? You're saying to me, if I can intellectually pose an intellectual um thesis on the Rebbe's reason for his crying, I will now know what it's like to cry.

SPEAKER_04 29:17

No, I'm saying then I I would be able to connect to that emotion on a deeper level to be able to. What does that mean? Connect to that emotion on a deeper level. What does it mean deeper? There's the level of just saying, okay, the Rebbe cried when he did halel, and then there's an understanding on some.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

And you think the understanding is deeper than seeing him crying?

SPEAKER_04 29:40

Not see I didn't see him cry. You see him in your mind. I'm saying that's one level, and then there's connecting the two and another. Okay, I think that's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

It's not ridiculous. Okay, fine. You know, the Friday Kerba says Chasidim know he said about in Pesach Siha. Chasidim know that is higher than Bina.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

That seeing is higher than explanation. Okay. Okay. Don't mock me. Yeah, therefore.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Okay. No, I I I am f I'm what do you mean? Therefore.

SPEAKER_04 30:25

So therefore, don't have Bina? No. Is that what you're trying to say? No, you're not saying that.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Yes. I am saying that if you have the moment of seeing the Rebbe and you can see him in your mind and it moves you, stop right there. You don't need to go further.

SPEAKER_04 30:40

You don't need to. It's just what happened in my head. Stupid. It's not stupid. There's a value to it, also.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

No, there isn't. Oh my goodness. I don't think there is a value to it. That's the reminiscing for Brains that I cannot tolerate anymore.

SPEAKER_04 30:54

Why is this remote? I'm just what? You're so bothered by this.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

This wasn't such a bad thought. What do you gain by trying to rationalize and explain the Rebbe's crying when you see how moved you are in the fact that he's crying?

SPEAKER_04 31:16

I wasn't trying to justify my being crazy. No, I'm not talking about justifying. I I wasn't I wasn't looking to do anything more with it. It was just naturally where Excuse me.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

I'm talking to you now. Yeah. Okay. I'm not talking to you when you were having this question. Okay. But you're repeating the question. Because you really are into the question. And I I I'm not faulting you, because you have a whole stadium with you. I just don't get it. I really don't. I don't get what the Tayala says. So um I'm trying to get it. To me, this is this is whatever, I don't want to say. Say it. No. Say it. But this is exactly what we're talking about. We're talking about do you live in the world of etzum or giluium? And you said to me, I get it, blah, blah, blah, blah. Etsum means you see it for what it is without having to explain it. You don't have to say, like I like to say it, are we having fun yet? So that you could go and qualify that, oh, I was having fun. Now you're in the space of I was having fun instead of having fun.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

I got it.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

And we do it all the time. And we approach all of our forget about Chasidis and Elecus and God and Jews. People do it just living.

SPEAKER_04 32:37

So we we we can agree to disagree right now. I don't think it's as evil as you think it is, my intention of it's not evil. You're saying it's a Moloch, first of all. So let's actually say what you're saying. Yes, you are saying it's evil. Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

A Moloch is evil. What do you think? A Malik comes dressed up with uh horns and looking like like the caricature of Satan, or he dresses up in a fur hat and streimal and kapata.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Yeah. Okay. I got it. I understand. I understand. Okay, Ruvain. So so now what?

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Now what what? Okay, so we don't ask me now what. Ask yourself now what.

SPEAKER_04 33:30

Uh right now I'm just enjoying the moment of feeling connected to the remote mahu's crying and halel. Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 33:41

Now what?

SPEAKER_02 33:43

Um now what what? What are you looking for?

Matzah As A Physical Bite Of Faith

SPEAKER_04 33:50

I'm uh I'm looking for where to go from here now. How am I going to make these Siddarim Pesach connecting me to Atsus and Mahus and not yearning for go for uh Gilliam?

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Um I'm not quite sure the assumption of that question has any um strength to it, but I will say maybe an answer is when you eat your matzah, interestingly enough, what is the language the Rebbe says when you eat matzah? Do you know what he says you're eating?

SPEAKER_04 34:28

Amuna.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

No, it's Michael de Munasa. But he said, do you know what he's he says you're eating? What?

SPEAKER_04 34:39

Okay. So when my teeth are hurting.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

You said it before. Gilu your teeth are hurting. I'm the old man. What the hell's wrong with your teeth?

SPEAKER_04 34:46

Depends on which matzo you get.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:50

Um the what does it mean when you eat matzas? You're eating asmos amours. Tell me.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Have you ever pondered what in the world is there so much drama around a piece of flour and water?

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

And that you can eat it, as some guy just sent me on on uh I I'm a little bit of an epicoris, um, I admit it. He sent me on a chat all the way from Australia about depending on which flour your matzah's made of, how many grams you have to eat to be yoitzi. It was this whole long thing, and like my brain went into fog automatically when I started seeing this thing. Just eat three quarters of a matzah and you know, stuff it in there, I'm sure you'll be yoitsi. What are you doing eating this matzah? Think about it. And the mitlarebba says very clearly, you're eating you're you're eating. What is it, Maichudimunasa? What does it mean the bread of faith? What kind of faith? In Atzmus. Because it's a physical mitzvah. It's a mitzvah the Abishta wants you to do, and it comes from Atzumus. I you may argue and say you're supposed to enjoy Shabbas. So is your hala Atzumus? I don't know. I apparently it's not the same level of mitzvah, right? I guess then Matsus on Pesa.

Geulah As Agency Not Waiting

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Um Yeah, that's it's it's it's I I don't have anything else to add. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

So a kosher and frailaca pesa and it should be uh a year of revealed Atmos.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

Even though, as you said in the beginning when we started tonight, if there's a revelation of Asmus Mahus, you don't see anything.

unknown 37:20

Right?

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Arainalis.

SPEAKER_04 37:22

But your state changes.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Ah your state changes. Right. Everything has always been the same way it has it always been. When you change, then everything changes. Right?

SPEAKER_02 37:40

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Okay. That's gula. Okay, when you're a slave waiting to be freed, that's not ghoula. When you stand up and walk out of prison on your own, that's ghoula. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

It's not easy. No.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

But it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_04 38:08

After the fact, it seems fun.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

After the fact? Yeah. Then you don't get it. But I saw I saw that uh in I think we mentioned this that was reading Trump's book, one of Trump's books, and he says the two percent who are very special business people like him, you know, who make billions. They say, You have a problem? Bring it on. I can't wait to tackle a problem.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

That's the opposite of a victim. That's that's what the Abishad gave us.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

The ability to live that way. Yeah. Do we want to? What do you really want? Oh, I put what do you really want on Pesach? You know, I want Kavanash, I want the Pesach Seder to make me feel excited. It's not gonna make you feel excited. Oh, so I have deep kavanas as some guy wrote, and you know, I don't know. It is I don't mean the Arizol or anybody else, but you know, like contemporaries. Okay, we're starting a whole new night, and it's it's it's time to go and get ready for the festivities of Pesa. Good luck. Thank you, and you should have a guula schlema from the head to your toes.tv studio.