Street Farbrengen Episode 127 - Detached from Ourselves

Yud-Beis Tammuz and Gimmel Tammuz raise a deeper question whether we experience them as history, or as something that is happening now?

Our conversation moves from the meaning of a yahrzeit and Yoseir M'Bechayohu—more influential than ever—to why so many people feel disconnected from their own lives. Why do we admire ideals yet assume they are not for us? Why do we read about growth, challenge, and spiritual transformation as ideas rather than realities?

Along the way, we explore why challenges of the heart and soul may be the very lifeblood of finding yourself , the difference between emotions and thought, speech, and action, and ratzon (will) as the power that directs life.

Can a person truly be the governor of his life even when uninvited emotions remain unchanged? What does it mean to prepare for Gimmel Tammuz?

Join us for a conversation about goals, personal responsibility, self-mastery, and the difference between learning ideas and living them.

Transcript

History Versus Lived Meaning

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Here we are on the lip of the new month of Tamuz, Yudbase Tamaz and Gimel Tamaz are upon us, and I'm wondering whether they're celebrated in your heart and in your soul the same way.

SPEAKER_04 0:43

That we're experiencing them the same? What did you just say? Explain it more, please. I'm not following. If you're talking about what happened on the days.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Obviously, what happened on the days are different.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

Interestingly enough, the Rebbe Sika in uh in Aleph actually connects them quite nicely.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

I didn't say they're not connected. But I was just wondering if that's what you were referring to or not. I'm not referring to the content. So then explain. I'm talking about the Gavra, the guy. In other words, think about it. When was the story of Yud Bass Thomas? Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:31

99 years, yeah. So it was 99 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

So forget about somebody who's 10 years old or 8 years old. Even you and I. How do in what context is that event? How do you look at it? However, you're going to answer me, I want to know if you see this you react to it in the same way with Gimmel Thomas. Gimel Thomas is 30 so odd years ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

You're saying as in a historical event? I want to know how you take it in. How I take it if it's a historical event. Obviously, everything is historical. So yeah, I do I take it the same? I do take it the same, yes. You do. I will admit that, yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

And what way is that that you take it in?

SPEAKER_04 2:18

That it was a mark on history that is to this day having an extremely strong effect that needs to be understood, internalized.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

Rightly so, and I think is very touching. Are you gonna say it's the same thing? It's historical?

SPEAKER_04 2:45

This happens to be Jewish, this happens to be I think they're they're different in in importance, but the founding of uh America is actually an extremely important event in in history, yes. I I'm not no, I'm not equating the two, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

But I know okay, but you're you're putting them into the basket of history. Okay. Right? Okay, versus No, but I don't understand how you So what is it? Are you are you gonna have an Aeleyah this Chavez? Yes. What's the Aaliyah? Oh, for the for the event. Okay. Um and what is the Fabrangan of Gimel Thomas all about? I mean the one that I'm gonna go to. No, in other words, are we there to celebrate the historical events? No. Because there was a historical event, it's a good excuse to have a party? No, of course not. Well, don't say of course not.

SPEAKER_04 3:41

No, I don't think anybody says that that's what it is. That's what people do.

SPEAKER_03 3:44

When Sweet February, we don't talk about what people say.

SPEAKER_04 3:47

Yes. Okay, yes, people use it as an excuse to forbring, to get drunk, to talk about history, to lament about what happened in the past, or to celebrate what happened in the past, and to whatever. But then you obviously go back to the famous voort of the Balshamto for Purum that if you look at it, you read Megillah backwards, then it doesn't uh you're not Yaotsi. You have to read it for you know, continuous. And what does that really mean? Is that you have to see it as if it was happening to you, that it wasn't a historical event. It's a it's it's a present moment. No, that's what I'm saying. You're so I believe you look at every who's you. I look at every or I try to look at every historical event and how it affects, applies, relates to me. So that's why I'm still curious. Are you saying that it shouldn't be like that? And what are you saying it should be?

SPEAKER_03 4:44

I know you love that word should, but I'm saying- I don't like the word should.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

I know, but um uh give me give me a little bit more of what you're really trying to ask here.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

You

Why We Detach From Our Own Life

SPEAKER_03 4:52

know, I've been noticing more and more in my classes in particular, and in uh sometimes in the Febrangans, how disassociated people are with life. And I don't mean life around them. I mean their own life. I'll tell you what I mean. I guess a few days ago I was out of Febrangen, and they asked me to say a few words, which you know was kind of stupid of them, but that's okay. So someone, but I w I didn't. And then somebody said something that irked me so deeply that I had to respond, so therefore I said a few words. So I don't remember exactly what the guy said, but it was something like we're here to get to have a muna and batakha in uh uh and to push through the suffering of life. And and this is a Labhabatra talking. Yeah, and he heard it in a Lababatra class, and that's that was a trigger for me. Suffering life? Oh my gosh, it's like Buddhist. So La Havdel. So Lahavdal, yeah, so okay, don't worry about it. God knows I make a Havdel. So But I'll say a lahabdel. So what happened? So I I did this, I said, what are you talking about? You know, we you're you and I are learning Basilagani. The whole Basilagani is based on Askafia the Shapcha, right? Subjugation. And this subjugation that you're gonna do is all the challenges that you have, right? Sure. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

So that's what building a Mish gun is. Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

Okay. So are challenges to be bemoaned? No. No, on the contrary, it builds the Mishkan.

SPEAKER_04 6:39

But you could have one or the other type of challenge, I think is the point.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

I don't think there's a difference. Obviously, what do you mean there's not a difference? One second. Obviously, Ainum of Akishalufi Koichin and it shouldn't happen that we have any of the terrible things that could happen in life. But either one that happens to you, it's part of the game. There's no question about that. Yeah, of course. Okay. Okay. So I I said over a vow like this, and I said over that our dear president Donald J. I don't even know his middle name. I think it's J. J. X Y Z. Whatever. Donald Trump, in his book that I was uh looking into from 30 years ago, he writes that there are 2% of the population, which he is very proud to say he's part of. 2% of the population, he says the special 2%, the top 2%, look at challenges as an enjoyment and bring them on. Now he means in business, of course. Bring them on, and I'm gonna go and figure out how to look at Khir Rebra. Maybe that is Likad Khira Rebra, I don't know. So that's what he says. Okay?

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 7:45

Okay. So I tied that in with what we were learning in Basalagani, and then I tied it into that letter I told you I got from the Rebbe about open up for me the hole of a needle, the size of the hole of a pinhead, and I will open up for you like the doorway. That's not even a doorway, it's like a antechamber. Whatever, of the ulam in the base of Migdash. And how most people understand that to mean put in a little bit of effort, you get a lot more back in success. But here the Rebbe says, You're right, you're stuck, put go forward anyways, a little bit, even the size of a pinhead. And I will open up that you will feel in yourself that you have queas that you never knew you had and felt before. Obviously, we said this koychis now lomim. There's quijas that are very deep in the soul, they haven't even been touched, so to speak. Okay. So a guy, after I finished talking, says it's very nice. But how many people do that? Oh, I hate that response. And I said to him, if not a lot of people do it, it's because we haven't been taught. And I thought about it this way, who cares if not a lot of people? So I thought about the next day and I said, What was he really saying? He was really saying that since the majority, even major majority, don't do it, then why are you telling me about it? Because it's irrelevant or it's philosophy. Nice thoughts, right? A fantasy. Yeah. Okay. And I thought to myself, how could this guy not feel the same way about every line in Chasidis that he reads?

SPEAKER_04 9:48

Yeah, on some level he must have, because Hasidis talks about such high Madragas. How many people experience them, feel them, understand them even, you know. Okay, maybe they well, they understand it in some logical. You under you think you understand Itselas? Like I'm saying, like you understand.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

Whatever. Okay. I know a lot of people who live in Atsilas, but I don't know people who understand it so well.

SPEAKER_04 10:16

So you mean that in a derogatory way, just to clarify, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:21

Um so what am I saying? So you're saying to me, I agree with you, Ruvain, that you should want to take on a challenge because it is part of the the fabric of living life, Skafi Sitra Akra, and that's gonna be stalaki kuchabrichuchula omin. Yeah. Now, there's different ways of doing that subjugation on your level of thought, on your level of doubt, on your level of procrastination. Now you get into the the personal growth factor here, and how do I get past all this, right? That's holding you down. Okay. But that's the way you should be feeling. Okay. I'm

Gimmel Tammuz As Yahrzeit Today

SPEAKER_03 11:03

gonna suggest to you that if youth-based Thomas, which anyway should not be like this, but it's easier to blame it on youth-based thumbs because it's such a long time ago, and it was in a different world, even, um, and for other reasons, that yud-based Thomas could be in a historical context. It can have significance, it could be celebrated because it took place, and so forth. But Gimel Thomas Gimel Thomas saying it's the same thing is like this guy saying to me, Yeah, but what is everybody doing? Gimel Thomas, what is what is according to what you understand in Chasidis and what the Rebbe spoke about Gimel Thomas, tell me what the the day Gimel Thomas is all about. Uh in the books. On the page.

SPEAKER_04 11:53

On the page is the the the necessity of the chassid to No, no, I'm talking about the day. I'm saying the day that the Rebbe was concealed. And so therefore left it up to the Chasidim to fulfill the mission.

SPEAKER_03 12:11

Oh, you I can't argue with you with that sentence, but that's not what the day is. The day you said he was concealed. Okay, let's call a spade a spade. Gimel Thomas is the Rebbe's yard site. Okay, I know you're giving me the eyes because you know what? Calling him concealed and feeling that it's a yard site is a little duplicit. Because you're saying it's the same thing as Yud Baze Thomas. It's historical. But what does it say in Chasidis? It says in Chasidis that a yard site of a tzadik is istalic. And isalic means he's the bakayehu. He's here even more than he was before. That's not that's not now. If you're going to take the approach of this guy that I just told you about in the Febrehren, yeah, but most people don't feel that, then it's just historical. But if that if you know, but if you understand what your avoid of a chassir is, which is what the Alta Rebbezintania telling the students when their Rebbe had passed away, your avoida is to be able to have the context with context I mean your Heragish, your steps you're gonna take forward, and certainly on the day itself, that the Reb is here stronger than he was before.

SPEAKER_04 13:23

I don't see why you're so maybe you're So it's not historical, but it it's it's not historical the same way. I don't think you should be doing that with Yud based on this. I I'm not even gonna discuss that. Why? That was the way you opened the whole question. And what I'm telling you is you have an obligation to do what you're describing.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

And you in every single answered me, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 13:42

It is I said every historical event needs to be applied and felt and experienced of what it means now.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

You didn't say the word felt, you didn't say the word now, so now you're now you're you're hooking on to my no, I'm not.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

I'm not. I I even quoted the Bal Shanto that you have to make it as if it is happening to you.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

First of all, as if it's happening now. The Balshamto happening now, yes.

SPEAKER_04 14:05

Okay, that's what that means. And I think that people should take Do you feel that way on Gimbal Thomas? I are you ready to feel that way on Gimbal Thomas? I I work very hard to try to. Do I accomplish it? Uh to some degrees. Listen, Yud Base Thomas, Yud Base Thomas, I can tell you no, I'm not trying to diss you. No, I'm saying for you'd base I'm telling you, I'm sharing with you right now, Yud Base Thomas every single year. I no Yud Base. No, I'm talking about Yud Base. Yod Base Thomas. I I I go through the memoir, I reread or I re-listen to the story. I really try to go into the Frida Kareba's like entire mahus of his experience, yeah, and and relearn and what I try to do literally every week, which is I try to relearn the non-alf non-basikas, which give a lot of context to what uh to what those dates imply for today, including, by the way, Parsha's Kaya, which is gimmelt.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

Let's unpack this simple man who's running the world right now, says, and that I quoted. He says, Bring on the challenge, because I am going to enjoy and have Uinig from taking on the challenge. The vote, I know you could learn all these things. Everybody's gonna learn, they're gonna have all of these lectures about all of the significances of both dates. And they're having a three-day legacy fest in Washington. And I get it, and as you want to say it's important, I'll even accept that it's important. But that's not what I'm talking about. That's corporate necessity. Okay, so I'm talking about the chussid. Okay, so now let's compare what I'm I just I'm just thinking about as as i in the last few moments. When Trump says, take it on, I'm gonna enjoy the challenge, that's what I'm talking about. The feeling, not what you could learn from and you could extrapolate from, and so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Let me finish.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

Because this guy knows at the Febregen that you're supposed to embrace a challenge. He knows that. It's in the books. He's read it a hundred times, a thousand times, maybe if he's learned, but he's heard it. But he's saying, Yeah, but who says bring it on? Who feels that way? So I know you could learn what the Rebbe said about Yud Base Thomas and how he felt and this and that. I could read, I could read uh, I'm reading a book about a guy who went through the Holocaust. I can also feel what he felt, hopefully a little bit. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about from me. That the Rebbe is is more here than before. How do I feel that? Not how do I um theologically hook into that? And that's tough. And that's why I'm saying to you, Yud Base Thomas on a simple level was a historical event. Bruh Hashem, the the Filip Rebbe was saved. We understand the significance of that, but it was a historical event. And Gimel Thomas also?

SPEAKER_04 17:28

Okay, so as I usually get to the point of in our Febregans, what do you do, Ruven, to prepare for your Gimel Thomas?

SPEAKER_03 17:38

I

So How Do We Prepare

SPEAKER_03 17:39

have no idea. What do you mean? I have no idea. Other than the desire for it. Uh listen, I I said before, I don't miss for I don't miss the Rebbe I miss Febregans. I have the Rebbe on my puny little level, the same way as I had it before. Maybe even more. Because I didn't know about egress and all these different things. Um the You know, I I I I started to ask myself this question more to be honest with you, by being in Orshlomo, where they're all into Reb Nachman. And they relate to Reb Nachman that he is alive and well and living in New York City. That's how they rel relate to him. At least it sounds like that. Right? I don't know if they relate to him that way when they go to Uman, but at least here in Pomona, that's the way they relate to him. Okay. Um But that's not even the objective to me. To sit make it sound like I want to know how does it change me? How does it uh how does it change my my what's going on in my life that because of Gimel Thomas things have changed. This Gimel Thomas I'm talking about. And

Parshas Shelach And Conquering Self

SPEAKER_03 19:05

I think that interestingly enough, the Parsha this year before, and many years before Gimel Thomas is Parsha Schlach. And I came to the conclusion from a mimer that I was learning from the Rebbe that that well, what the Rebbe says in the Mimer is Schlach. He compares and he does this in Nunalu Sicha, he compares the difference between Moshe and Yeshua. Moshe sent all the spies, his but pierce, they went up and down all the whole entire country, and of course we know what happened. And Yeshua says that Al-Tarebba, he must have had a command to go and send them in, otherwise he would never have done it, right? Yeah. Okay. So you notice how your bird is chirping like crazy the more we talk about Gimel Thomas.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

I don't know, everybody else can hear, but they can hear. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

Yeah. So the the the Rebbe Asin a Mimer. What is the limit from this whole story for us? He's talking about that Moisha said go con go go up and spy on the land, all the entire land, and Yeshua only Yuricha. So he gets into the difference between what what is the idea? He says the idea of conquering is yourself.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Right?

SPEAKER_03 20:35

I think a lot of people don't realize that. But the avoidance to conquer yourself. On what level? We know this says in Tanya, the level of your Mahshabad Maisa, your garments.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Well that on the contrary, right. So the Altara says you're not going to conquer your that you have that Mida. Sure. It's interesting. A guy came up to me this week in Shul, comes from a Lithvisher background, and he holds up on his phone a picture of a book cover. Title of a book. I know the book. I don't I never really read it. The guy is a very famous new age Makani Maker guru. American guy. I mean like an English guy, not Indian. Anyway, he says, You ever read the book? I said, No, I have never read the book, and I don't want to read the book, and I won't read the book. But I said, if you're reading the book, you have to have a very big filter. Because there's a lot of Khazaraya in there. You know, it's a new age thing. So he comes back to me a little bit later. He must have been embarrassed or something, but I don't know. He goes, I gave up after the third chapter because he was getting monotonous. But he has one amazing Nakuda. I said, What's that? You are not your thoughts. So I pull out a Tanya and I say, This is like w Hasidis 101. Why are Mahakshav Deebra Maisa called garments and so forth? So he goes, My s yeshiva they didn't teach us tanya. So okay, fine. But then he came back and he says, But I bet you a lot of Lababachers who read Tanya think they are their thoughts. Yeah. I said, okay, I get that. So the Rebbe says in this Mimer that thought, speech, and action is represented, if you wish, by Yeshua trying to cend the spending the spies in Yurichha. The Zayer connects Yuricha, which is smell, to garments. And Mishra Bain uh sending out spies to the whole land refers to wanting to conquer middois, your emotions. So make it very in in short, the Rebbe says, what's the hira? The hira is on one hand, we only are here to manage our Mahakshavatira Maisa, thought, speech, and action. So then why are we learning about Moisha Rabbainu, which represents the Midas part? So and he does say that the reason why by Moisha is different is because with Moisha, maybe you have a shot at changing a midais. So the Rebbe says the following. But it's the rep the relationship is separate, right? Okay. So he says, even though that it's separate, it's higher than the nishamah, says the altarb in Paragdalit. Okay. At least the thought, speech, and action of Tura Mitzis. So but ultimately they have an ability to go higher, right? So the Rebbe says the following, a very pick uh interesting idea, but I haven't parsed it out completely, and that is he says, when you have well like where does your Mahshabad Diva Maisa come from? Like what makes you think the things you think when you're davening and having Mahshabazara? Just random thoughts that you remember. You think about Walmart when you're when you're Davening and you have Mahshabazara?

SPEAKER_04 24:19

Maybe. I mean, no, I mean it it comes from uh uh from the Koichais, but I want to know what you think of. Is where does it come from? Are they just random mishagas? Where the focus where the energy goes, the the focus goes, the energy flows. It's where your focus is. What do you mean focus? What you're paying attention to, what you're invested in beforehand, after like we were discussing our uh Haklata of trying not to do multiple things at once so that during Davaning you don't have Makshava Tsars the same way.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

Well, you'll have the you'll have the awareness to kick them out, but they do come. They come from your middois. Sure. Right? Okay, so they come from your middois, but meanwhile you can manage your makshava debra maisa, which is lower. Yeah. But you can't manage your uh your your mid dice. So who's the manager? The s the self, the uh but the meaters come from the self. Yeah. Okay. So the me the the reality is is that I could have a Taiva for a cheeseburger and walk by a McDonald's and say, I want to go in there and have I just want to have a cheeseburger. This is not my fantasy, but I'm just saying. Okay, and I really want to have it.

SPEAKER_04 25:46

I want to know your fantasy.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

You know, you I'll tell you off the air. So um, and I really want to, really want to, really want. And some people stop there and say, that's really who I am. Right? That Taiva.

SPEAKER_04 26:03

I mean, we've said before that that is who you are on a core Nefesha Bahamas level, not to deny that.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

No, I never said that. You think I said that? I never said that. It's your desire. Yeah, everything we learn about Maxabadibra Maysan garments and kaihas go on both in Shammas. Yeah. Your taiva is your taiva, and you are still the manager. A person could go to a 12-step program whose name is Francis Smith, and he comes from Iowa, who doesn't and never met a Jew in his life, he's still gonna be able to say, I am gonna control my taiva for alcohol and not drink. Yeah. So who is who is that? Is the Taiva not me? And it actually gives very you know, if you think about the other rev, I was thinking about this today. That's when they get up and they say, Hi, my name is Francis. I've been an alcoholic for I'm an alcoholic, but I've been sober for 40 years. So how could you call yourself an alcoholic if you haven't drunk in 40 years? Because you never change your Mida. You don't change your taivas, basically. Okay, so who's the manager that holds them back?

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Is the real core. Is the Ratsai? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 27:22

So the Rebbe says, going into Erit Israel is the Midas, going uh with uh Moisha, going in with Yeshua is essentially Makshava, Debra, and Myssa. And that you have the ability to conquer the land. So, what's the land in this case? You're afraid, what's the whole narrative? They didn't want to go into the land, they wanted to stay in the desert. So I'm gonna suggest to you that today our fear is living out of Ratsai. Our fear is what we don't want to go into the land. Because, oh, I skipped the thing. Hold on. So the Rebbe says, so then if we're gonna sorry, if the reb the if we're saying that Maqshava Dibra Maisa is your voidah, not uh midois, and me this goes on with Moisha, why are we learning about it? What's the Hirah there? So he says, if you apply Mahshava Dibra Maisa enough, no, sorry, if you if you have Mahakshava Dibra Maisa within the context of knowing who you are in your Midois, because you gotta know both, that helps the whole journey. The question is, he doesn't say why.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:44

So you have your Maqshaba Dibra Maisa controlled, and you also have to know what your Midois are, even though you'll never really change them.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Why? It's an interesting idea here. Yeah. Okay. So what I'm getting at is Ratsai super seeds and gets around your middle.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

My Mida is the source to my Mahakshava Dibra Maya that tells me go and walk into you know McDonald's and have a cheeseburger. Because I love the taste, whatever the middle is. Okay. And I have a taiva. And I say no. And in an American, so to speak, uh classical psychological uh format, I'm cutting off myself because I really want to do it. And that must be me. And we say no. The real person who you are is the one that says, I'm not gonna go in. That controls it. Doesn't matter you don't have to control that you can't control your taiva. What matters is you don't act on it, meaning to say that you apply your ratsin not to act on it, which is higher than even your middle in terms of relationship with the soul, right? Because it's a tiasanf, as we say, it's not a kayah separate from the soul, it's her expression itself.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

Okay. Let's

Ratzon Versus Automatic Emotion

SPEAKER_03 30:24

double back to Gimel Thomas. You take all the things that it says about Gimel Thomas. The day Yeshua made the sun stop, or the Abishna made the sun stop. Um here, Yesum Bahay, who is here more than he was before. What are your meat's about that? Middle's usually uh to me uh are going to be the driver of your automatic response.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

The Reb is here! Hi Viking! Yeah. What's your response? In Midwest level. I mean I don't feel that. So what kind of deeper do you have? You can answer it. You answer it. Answer for yourself, right? Okay, at the best I would say my middle is um what uh I don't like fools. It's a Mida? Yeah, anger.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

I get angry at foolishness. This guy is running around saying the Reb is Hai Vikam and I don't know what the hell he's doing the rest of his life that I see, and I hate I hate that and maybe I'll feel I don't like to be tricked because of a theological construct. So there's anger there too or maybe the meeter is You know, there's flight or fight.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

I'm out of here Okay That's gonna lead to thoughts So I can control the thoughts I don't have to act on them I don't have to sit with them I can change my thoughts So What happens when I do that? Why am I doing it? Ratan Ratan Why do I have that Ratsa? Yeah, why do you have that Ratsan Ruby? Because the because the Rebbe's hive a khan. Ratan isn't the Shama feeling the Shama feels it.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Nashama and the Rebbe one. That's he's a Rebbe. Yeah. Okay. So now how do I prepare? That's one of the ideas of why do you prepare for a certain holiday, a Yom Tov or whatever, by learning Tara. Really, in a certain level, what you're doing is you're creating a whole bunch of oasis of Mahshava, right? You learnt this Mishnah, this Gumara, this da-da-da, this Mimur. So you have now a whole recent structure of language of oasis of Mahshava. And the Rebbe says in this Mimur, you have to know yourself, your Middle. And the only in another place that it explains, in particular, I'm thinking of one by the remote by the Rebbe that on one hand, thought comes from me dice. But on the other hand, me dice will will also have an impact on I'm sorry, thought will also have an impact on me. Sure. Right? Like you say, where your focus goes, the energy flows. Energy is me.

SPEAKER_04 34:45

What you look at and what you engage in and what you eat, all these things and Kassidas was described, that it's gonna affect everything else.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

No, but I'm talking here about talking here about what of course it's gonna affect.

SPEAKER_04 34:59

I'm saying, is it affecting Mahakshava Debra and Misa or is it affecting Midos?

SPEAKER_03 35:04

Well, it depends what you're talking about. If you're talking about food, yeah, the the it's talking about your taivas, which create your Makshava Debra, your Makshava. Now, if I have a lot of thoughts about how, you know, I don't know, sugar is not good for me, and I've been spending a lot of time on that, it may make it easier to curb my desire for sugar. Okay, that's one thing. But it also makes me more of a Kale to the Ratza not to eat it.

SPEAKER_04 35:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

Okay. So, but what what what it says in Khassidis is so usually your thought speech actually comes from your middois, with the Nevish Bahamas for short.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:51

Okay. But on the other hand, midois are affected by your Mahakshradi Brahmais. Because where the focus goes, the energy flow. Energy, by the way, is and most people don't know emotion is motion. Right? Energy motion is middois. So you your your focus because of your ratsan ends up to be on whatever you're gonna end up thinking about. So what are we supposed to do in regards to that with to Gimel Thomas? Read the history? Tell a story about the Rebbe that makes us feel that we miss him. Is that what we should be doing? How do I now it comes back to the other assumption, by the way, which is a big assumption, that is a person has a spiritual goal set in his mind.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

This is my goal. Not entertain me. Entertain me.

SPEAKER_04 36:52

So that's why you were saying before that you have the desire, which means that you're saying that you have the goal, you just don't know how to accomplish the goal because that's already going to become revealed hopefully by the Febrine, by what you're learning, what you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

And if anything, maybe that's the answer to our our our discussion.

The Rebbe As Goal Setter

SPEAKER_03 37:16

If anything, the Rebbe personified goals. He was very clear what he wanted from the beginning. The rest of the Nisias was that way. He lived by the tenants. He never said, most Chasidim are not doing this, therefore I'm not going to do X, Y, and Z. Like this guy said at the Ferbregen. But most people are not doing it. If you don't, I'm I'm going to suggest you, if you don't have a real always comes down to this. If you don't have a goal, then what in the world is Gimel Thomas going to do for you?

SPEAKER_04 38:04

You're just saying uh a goal to be what in this particular case a co-book about Gimel Thomas. What is your goal? What do you that comes back to Rutsin again? What do you want? So I'm saying when you're thinking about it in reference to Gimel Thomas.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Not in reference.

SPEAKER_04 38:20

No, so then what are you doing different than the rest of the year when you should have a goal?

SPEAKER_03 38:24

That's what I'm trying to ask you. No, do you have what's your goal?

SPEAKER_04 38:29

I'm saying if my goal is to have Dira Pataktai name. No, I'm not gonna I have to think about it. Stop. I'm I'm just pulling something out of the head with now. No, I'm gonna pull it out of the head because I don't know if you're being clear right now. I'm asking you. I'm asking you.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

I have a goal. I have a goal not to do two things at the same time. Yes. Okay, that's a goal. Tell me your goal is Dira Batakala. Okay, fine, fine. That's the goal. Yes. You got me dealing with my Middle. If you know what I'm talking about. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you have this goal. I'm not gonna do two things at the same time. By the way, it includes not looking at your tahilim and your swarm when there's doing chazarsa shots. So, which is a halakh, but that's besides the point. Um, or maybe that is the point, I don't know. So you're not gonna do two things at the same time. That was one of my goal, and that was your you, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

No, you you had fully convinced me. Um, I was I decided to take it upon myself as well. Okay, how does that unsuccessfully mostly how does that apply to Gimbal Thomas? Yeah. I'm asking you. Okay, Gimbal Thomas is now here. We have the concealment of the Rebbe, we have the whole the everything that you described before in terms of what its accomplishment of uh of its passing and more in the world. Okay, now what?

SPEAKER_03 39:56

No, but the question is not now what? You're asking, how does this lift me and carry me further and stronger in my goal of not doing two things at the same time?

SPEAKER_04 40:10

Yeah, okay. What's

Ohel Practice And Talking It Through

SPEAKER_04 40:12

the answer?

SPEAKER_03 40:14

So maybe on a simple level, maybe the answer is going to be that you if you go to the oil on Gimel Thomas.

SPEAKER_04 40:22

I do.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 40:23

Or try to if I don't want to wait on the lines.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

Um you go to the oil and you on Gimel Thomas, or you stay at your house and you, as the brass lovers do, you talk to the Rebbe and you say, Rebbe, I'm working on this goal. You are the personification of goal keeping and setting. It must be that this is more found in the world than was before Gimel Thomas. I don't know how to tap into that, but I know it's available to me. So I'm gonna say this capital tahilam, I'm going to learn this mymer with the kavana that I'm attaching myself to this goal to you, that is that is the power and has the giving of the power to accomplish my goal.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 41:23

I I'm just I hear you, I hear you.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

Um depends how you see the Rebbe to yourself. Listen, before Gimotham's, everybody had a different take on how the Rebbe was to them. An ATM machine for blessings, a uh Tamil Chokem, etc. etc.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:46

Okay. Okay, so I guess I have to remind myself of my goals and then ask it in the context, ask for a braca in the context, or how I never said the word bracha. Well, you said I'm going to the oh and I'm I'm asking the Rebbe and I and and beseeching him.

SPEAKER_03 42:12

I said, I don't know, I know you are the source of the personification of goal setting and the koiach to have vision and the koyach to follow it through, and even have as leadership qualities to have other people's uh follow it through, and today must be that that koyach is found more than ever. What does he mean? Ask for a bracha. You know, it's interesting when the Rebbe writes in this Mimer and says that by Yeshua by Moshe Rabinu, that's conquering the seven Middleish, right? The seven canonim is the seven middois, and that's not our voida. So the Rebbe is asking, so why do we learn about it? But in his discussion, he's saying, You need moisha for that. Right? He doesn't explain it at in this mim at any depth, but you need moisha to do that. Yeah. Right? She was a student, whatever. So what's prat? What does that mean you have moisha that you can actually change your middle? There's a chance to change your middle.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

Attach yourself to the Rebbe, and then you have the ability to change your midos.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

But what does that mean? Attaching. I don't know. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 43:43

So I mean, I guess that's what everybody does for bring about, which is what the Rebbe said to do and to make sure you're doing Ram Bomb and talking about the entity. I got I got it.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

I'm just saying, when I said I'm I'm thinking to even what I just I said before. I

What Yusim Bechayehu Demands

SPEAKER_03 44:01

don't miss the Rebbe I miss for brain. But Lakhura, that's where the Rebbe tells everything what to do. So how could I not miss it? Maybe I'm stupid, but what does it mean I don't miss it? So it's and what does it mean? So if so how do you if you think and feel that the Rebbe is Febragens, so to speak. What does it mean in the Zor? He's stal is talkus of a of a tzadik, he's found Yusim Bekhaye. He's found here more than before. How can you say that? There's no Febregans, there's no there's no Numaimorum, etc.

SPEAKER_04 44:42

Yeah, we have what does it mean? It means we have everything that we need to figure out what to do now. Well it doesn't say that. It says he's here more than before.

SPEAKER_01 44:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:54

I'm saying the here more than he is because we are the we are his extension when we're living out what you're describing.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

That's not the Pshot. You're bringing me the Gemara from Tynus that says that uh Yaakov Lomes. That's legacy, baby. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, but that's not what it means. The Rebbe is more here.

SPEAKER_04 45:24

The Koichais that he gave us and that he is himself. He gave? No, that he is himself. We we the Rebbe is inside of us. He's Hidasheb and Nefish inside us. We have a piece of Mashiach, we have a piece everything the Rebbe says, that's all still there. And more so now.

SPEAKER_03 45:47

I'm not gonna argue with what you just said, but I don't know if that's what it's simple meaning of Yesim Bukhayayo. So what do you think it means? He's more here. Meaning what?

SPEAKER_04 45:59

It doesn't mean he's saying over a new Ferbregan, like you just said. So what does it mean? Okay. I told you what I think it means. What do you think it means?

SPEAKER_03 46:05

What you said to me, what it means is that is that he gives you coychis.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

Which for sure he does. More coijas than before. I think so. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 46:21

You have a lot of people who didn't see the Rebbe and yet feel very connected to him.

SPEAKER_03 46:27

You have a lot of people who never saw Moshe, Josh, Yeshua, Shlomo, Mel, and I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_04 46:30

Okay, but I'm saying people are connected to the Rebbe, and that's but I'm asking in which way?

SPEAKER_00 46:39

Like a Yud-based Thomas way or like a gimbal Thomas.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

It's not so push, but that's my question to myself.tv studio for TV students.