{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.2,"endTime":2.766,"body":"before we begin we wanna make the listener aware"},{"startTime":2.766,"endTime":5.166,"body":"that this episode contains adult content"},{"startTime":5.166,"endTime":8.566,"body":"related to abuse sexual assault and or suicide"},{"startTime":8.566,"endTime":10.566,"body":"listener discretion is advised"},{"startTime":18.066,"endTime":21.466,"body":"today we welcome Dave Pittman to bodies behind the Bus"},{"startTime":21.666,"endTime":24.9,"body":"Dave is a survivor of sexual abuse and sexual assault"},{"startTime":24.9,"endTime":28.033,"body":"that was perpetrated by a Southern Baptist minister"},{"startTime":28.333,"endTime":31.766,"body":"for over 13 years he's worked to see reform on abuse"},{"startTime":31.766,"endTime":35.3,"body":"policy and culture relating to abuse within churches"},{"startTime":35.8,"endTime":38.166,"body":"he is the director of Together We 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