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Was there room for honest"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1813.3799999999999,"endTime":1816.11,"body":"policy disagreement during this?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1813.3799999999999,"endTime":1816.11,"body":"Well, of course there is there"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1816.11,"endTime":1824.09,"body":"always is. But what didn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1816.11,"endTime":1824.09,"body":"happen? 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At the beginning, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1864.08,"endTime":1870.1399999999999,"body":"mentioned some pretty"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1870.1399999999999,"endTime":1872.99,"body":"cataclysmic events that have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1870.1399999999999,"endTime":1872.99,"body":"been noted as public policy"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1872.99,"endTime":1877.73,"body":"failures, mainly 911, and Pearl"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1872.99,"endTime":1877.73,"body":"Harbor. The difference with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1877.73,"endTime":1881.18,"body":"those is that we largely pulled"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1877.73,"endTime":1881.18,"body":"together and made progress"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1881.21,"endTime":1885.95,"body":"against a common enemy. In this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1881.21,"endTime":1885.95,"body":"case, that lasted about three"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1885.95,"endTime":1891.2,"body":"months. When I used to teach"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1885.95,"endTime":1891.2,"body":"both public policy for Syracuse"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1891.2,"endTime":1894.65,"body":"University, and the typical"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1891.2,"endTime":1894.65,"body":"participation in government"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1894.65,"endTime":1900.29,"body":"class, sometimes called pig, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1894.65,"endTime":1900.29,"body":"would share a quote that has"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1900.29,"endTime":1907.6399999999999,"body":"been attributed to both Alexis"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1900.29,"endTime":1907.6399999999999,"body":"de Tocqueville and Joseph"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1907.6399999999999,"endTime":1913.52,"body":"Demetris they're both roughly"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1907.6399999999999,"endTime":1913.52,"body":"contemporaries of each other and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1913.97,"endTime":1921.29,"body":"quoted in the Pali psi world."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1913.97,"endTime":1921.29,"body":"Democracies get the governments"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1921.29,"endTime":1925.16,"body":"they deserve, or democracies get"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1921.29,"endTime":1925.16,"body":"the leaders they deserve are the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1925.16,"endTime":1930.29,"body":"two quotes and they're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1925.16,"endTime":1930.29,"body":"attributed to both of them. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1930.29,"endTime":1934.34,"body":"know this democracy deserves"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1930.29,"endTime":1934.34,"body":"better. And I look forward to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1934.34,"endTime":1940.16,"body":"and I'm hopeful for those better"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1934.34,"endTime":1940.16,"body":"days. And with that, I will wrap"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1940.16,"endTime":1944.87,"body":"up today's episode of education"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1940.16,"endTime":1944.87,"body":"matters New York. Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1944.87,"endTime":1950.03,"body":"your time. Continue to stay warm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1944.87,"endTime":1950.03,"body":"during this winter weather and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1950.03,"endTime":1956.6299999999999,"body":"be well and we will see you soon"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1950.03,"endTime":1956.6299999999999,"body":"with future episodes. Take care"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1956.6299999999999,"endTime":1956.9,"body":"now."}]}