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Welcome to The Two Acre Homestead Podcast. Come along with us, Kevin and Lisa, on our journey from a small suburban homestead lifestyle to our new lifestyle homesteading in the rural countryside of Upper Lower Michigan. We'll share with you our tips, tricks, successes and failures from both our past suburban lifestyle to our new rural lifestyle all on The Two Acre Homestead Podcast.
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070. Chickens and Eggs -- What's the Deal?
In early 2025, we've seen egg prices skyrocket. The cause? Is it greed? Or is something more at play?
We'll take a look at history, and a lot of science, to try and find answers that make sense. What does it all mean for the homesteader that wants to raise backyard chickens?
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The following podcast will be discussing vaccination in animals, not in humans. This is our opinion and is not meant for medical advice. Please follow all laws and local ordinances when raising backyard chickens. Welcome to The Two Acre Homestead podcast. Come along with us on our journey from a small suburban homestead lifestyle
Kevin:to our new lifestyle homesteading in the rural countryside of Upper Lower Michigan.
Lisa:We'll share with you our tips, tricks, successes, and failures
Kevin:from both our past suburban lifestyle to our new rural lifestyle.
Kevin and Lisa:All on The Two Acre Homestead podcast.
Kevin:Welcome back. Well, this is gonna be an interesting episode this week, and as many people know, the prices have eggs have been crazy for a bit , and probably by the , um, launching of this po this particular episode, the prices, I guess, are supposed to come down a bit, but in addition, there have been a lot of news reports about millions and millions of chickens that have been called because of the effects of the viruses we're gonna be talking about. So let's get into it because this is gonna be an interesting , um, discussion.
Lisa:Yes, it is gonna be an interesting episode this week. You know, our society as a whole is very polarized right now , and I know there are several people who take the position that avian bird flu just doesn't exist. Some people feel that the, the , the egg crisis that's going on right now is being generated by greed. And then there are some who take the polar opposite, who believe there is actually a bird flu that is going on, and , um, that the practices that are being done need to be done in order to, for lack of better term, neutralize the threat. So, what I have done is I have, actually, I've really gone down a rabbit hole when it comes to researching this. I am not a virologist, a virologist, I'm not a scientist. Although if I had to go back through school again rather than studying accounting, I think I probably would've stuck with science because I absolutely love science. Um, that being said, I did take out some time to do a lot of research. I pulled a lot of published papers, and what I mean by published papers is published scientific papers. All of my reference work for this particular podcast will be in the show notes , um, will be in the description. You can also read the same articles that I have read . So without further ado , as of the recording of this podcast, the current situation in January , um, 2025 is that over 23 million birds in the US have been called because of bird flu. Of that 23 million, 18.8 million were egg layers , 2.2 million were broilers. And I still can't find what happened to the other 2 million. I am suspecting that they might be other bird fouls such as turkeys , um, uh, some other , some other type of bird fowl . But , um, this, this is not a good thing. This is, you know, obviously it is contributing to the current prices that we see in the grocery store where, you know, a carton of egg eggs, you know, like a 12 count of eggs is now what, $10 , um, per carton. So this is not a good thing.
Kevin:And may , maybe just to ask, and I don't know if you have the data on that, but out of the, what about almost 19 million , uh, egg layers that were called in January of 2025, how significant is that as far as how many were in the population?
Lisa:Um, I don't have that exact number. Um, I'm sure it's buried somewhere in my research. I do seem to remember seeing it, but off of the top of my head, I do not know. But it , and it's not here in my notes.
Kevin:Okay. But it was significant enough to be at least part of the cause of the prices going up absolute 'cause , you know, that's all , that's quite a few birds to take out of the , um, population.
Lisa:Out of the food system. Yeah , out of the food system , exactly. Yeah. And I do remember that it was significantly higher than that, which what was called in December of 2024, the month prior. So January seems to have been a very big month , uh, for bird flu calling . So it was pretty big. But I asked myself when I was looking at this, I asked myself, well, why, why is it that, you know, they're coming through and they're killing all of these birds because of the H five N one bird influenza virus? Right?
Kevin:To your point, many people have been saying, well, it's greed,
Lisa:Right? Some people say it's greed, but when you look at it , normal farming practices are, if an animal is sick, you isolate that animal. And if it's a flock or herd and they've been exposed, then you keep watch over that flock and herd, and you keep the ones that are resistant to that particular disease. That's normal farming. I, I , I would say, I would dare say that's farming 1 0 1. That's like basics. You don't just, you know, just because one animal is sick, you don't just call everybody. But as I dug deeper , um, the information that I found was really interesting. So bear with me, because in order to know why we are where we are today, it's important to know the history of where we have been. If you don't know your history, then you don't know why you are where you are in this , um, in any situation in life. So avian influenza , um, that has been around for quite some time , and it was first identified by Eduardo Parato , I think I'm pronouncing his name right, I'm not sure. But , um, he first discovered it , um, back in 1878. That's a long time ago. 1878 is when this man first discovered avian influenza. It differentiated, it was differentiated from other diseases that caused high mortality rates in birds. By the time 1955 came around, it was established that bird flu was actually a virus and was closely related to human influenza. Then you fast forward to 1972, and it became evident that many subtypes of avian flu were endemic and wild bird population. What does that mean, endemic? That means that it's something that's always there. They, they, they always have it. Um, it's always in the bird population, but it's in the wild bird population . So between 1959 and 1995 , there were 15 recorded outbreaks of HPA I influenza that stands for highly pathogenic avian influenza. And that was in poultry birds and the losses, they varied from just maybe like a few on a single farm to millions on some between 1996 and 2008 , that's when that was recorded. So those HPA outbreaks and poultry, they've been recorded at least 11 times, and four of those outbreaks have resulted in millions of birds being cold. So the modern strain that we see today of the H five N one , uh, bird flu was first detected in infected birds back in 1996. And human cases and death were first confirmed back in 1997 . Okay? The virus, the H five N one , it spreads most readily between birds, though it's resulted in a total of 887 confirmed human cases and 463 confirmed deaths. Most of those occurring between the years of 2004 to 2015 known human infections have only occurred as a result of direct contact with infected birds. There's been no observed human to human transmission, although I do believe last year was the first recorded human to human transmission. Um, but we will see the results of that. So let those dates just let that linger in the air for a minute. 2004 to 2000 to 2015 . Okay. The reason is we're going to see a convergence of another pathic pathic , meaning a pathogen that only is supposed to be in animals. It's not supposed to be in humans. So it's pathic virus come into play in walks . Marek's disease birds, if you are familiar with birds, they are highly susceptible to a disease called Marek's. And that can infect a bird within a few days after hatching. It's an airborne disease, and it infects susceptible host through the respiratory tract , the Marx disease virus. It , um, it is shed from the infected bird's feather follicle feather follicles. So in other words, let's say you have one bird who's infected with this mar disease. It flops its wings. It's now shedding the virus. We're all, if we've been through covid, we know that expression shedding the virus. It's shedding the virus through the feather follicles, and any other bird that's around is going to get this disease through the airways. So that's why a lot of times you'll find anytime that you get a bird from a hatchery, you'll notice the setup of hatcheries have the eggs that are being incubated often either in a different building or in a completely isolated part of a building, separated and isolated from the flock that it came, that the eggs came from, because they're trying to avoid this highly contagious marck disease. Once the eggs are hatched within a day or two, they are injected with the vaccine for this marck disease . This has been going on since 1969. The vaccination of Marek's disease has been going on since 1969. And the marck Marek's disease vaccines can prevent the tumor growth. It prevents death in the infected birds. But they're in the , the, the ones that were developed in 1969, up to 2006 , those vaccines were ineffective against the viral shedding and replication of the disease. What is the replication? These are terms that I'm sure people are like, what? And it's just exactly what it means. The disease replicating itself, the, those vaccines could not prevent that.
Kevin:Well, for example, the common flu every year, it , there are mutations, and I don't remember offhand, but there are multiple variations going on. So when they come out with a flu vaccine, they have to kind of go with what the common ones, because it's mutated so many times, and they try to mitigate that the best that they can.
Lisa:So in 2006, it was discovered the Marek's disease, vaccines don't prevent virus replication and shedding of the continuous virus led to the emergence of a more violent disease. Ideally, the successful vaccine would decrease and or stop the replication and shedding of the disease. So in 2006 , enter the RNA vaccines . We all are familiar with mRNA. Now, the m in mRNA means that you're telling the RNA in your DNA <laugh> , you are telling it to recognize certain proteins. And the M stands for the messenger. So it's messaging, Hey, the body, it's saying, Hey, these particular, when you produce these proteins, when you see this thing going on, I'm just oversimplifying it .
Kevin:It's basically programming.
Lisa:It's basic programming. That's basically what they're doing. And that is what all are in a vaccines do. Normal vaccines that the ones prior would actually inject you with. Or not you, but 'cause we're not talking about human injection, but they would inject the dead virus into so that dead Marek's virus into these animals, and then let their immune system figure it out. Well, now with the mRNA , now they're programming their DNA to say, Hey, we're going to produce this particular protein when we see this thing happen inside the body. So that started in 2006 . So from 2006 , all the way up to 2018 , they have been using mRNA vaccines in various different animals. One of the other animals that they have been using these vaccines in is pigs piglets and the sows . And they have, like I said, we will include all of the, the, the , um, scientific studies in the show notes. You can go look at it yourself. But they found that the RNA based vaccines encoding antigenic targets, are they, and I'm reading this verbatim promising platform against infectious disease and cancer. The mRNA platform retains a superior safety profile with no risk of genome and integration, lack of anti vector immunity and transient expression. Well , that's a mouthful. That's another words. There's risk , there's absolutely no risk. And it's so good it might even be able to cure cancer. So they kept on putzin' around with these mRNA vaccines. And the reason why we're taking, we've taken kind of a right hand turn on the subject. We are talking about avian flu, but we're talking about the mRNA vaccines because what they started to notice is that you, as time went on, they started to notice the , they meaning scientists started to notice that since they had so much success with Marek's disease, that, and with the piglets that they could start using the mRNA vaccine for bird flu. And they did. So they started doing that in 2018 . So fast forward to March of 2020 . Do you remember what was going on in the world at that time? Covid? Yeah , while we were all distracted with covid, there was something else that was brewing in the science world, in the zoological world, and that was avian flu. Now, up to this point, there are different forms of avian flu. And do not misunderstand me over the years, there has always been different mutations of bird flu. That that's a standard. It , it's, it's, there's always going to be some sort of mutation. And that's why you hear people just simply say bird flu. But you'll hear the term H five n one or a term I'm about to use H seven N three . What does the H and the N mean to , just to take the , the , the complex out it , and just break this down . For the people who are listening , who are listeners who are gardeners . If you're a gardener, you know that there are plant families, there's families of plants. For example, the Brassica family, I'm using this as an example. Within the Brassica family, there's cauliflower, there's cabbage, but all of them are a part of the same family of plant, which is brassica . The H the H seven H one is a family clad . If you'll, it's called a clad, but we'll just call it a family or a clan. They're all related. Um, some are more potent, some , um, have more , uh, more virility, I guess is what you could say. I don't know if that's a word, but I think that is the word. Um, they're more potent. They're , you can get infected easier. Some are less. But nonetheless, all of these go to the avian influenza. So going back to March of 2020, there are two counties . There's Union County, and I can't think of the other county in North Carolina. There were, there were Turkey farms , um, that the H seven in three avian , um, the H seven N three , which is a low pathogen avian influenza type a virus , had affected 11 different Turkey farms in North Carolina and one in South Carolina. Now, they did the right thing in that they, they took samples from all of these different, and they sent it to a, a place called Gen Bank . And that's very well documented. Um, they were able to figure out intravenous , uh, pathology. They indexed, and they selected the different L-P-A-I-V strains. Um, and they were able to document all of that. The reason why what happened in North Carolina in 2020 is so important, is very simply what they have documented themselves. They said that the data, these data support a single source of the H seven N one or N three being introduced to the Turkey farms in North Carolina, spreading laterally to other Turkey premises and mutating once to H-P-A-I-V during replication in turkeys from a single barn on a Turkey premises in South Carolina, with no further reassortment with any other influenza strains. And then it goes on to say that although no wild bird origin precursor had all eight segments that corresponded to the North Carolina and South Carolina, H seven N three viruses, the most probable progenitor gene was identified for each individual segment as LPIV originating from wild water waterfowl migrating along the Mississippi flyaway. These findings suggest that a precursor virus most likely emerged in the wild waterfowl with subsequent introduction into the poultry via occasional virus spread between wild birds. The genomes of the North American LPIV appeared to reassort at a remarkably high rate with no apparent pattern in the gene Segment Association. Lemme put this into English. The way I understand this, likely, this particular version, this H seven N three originated with bird foul somewhere in the Mississippi Flyway. It got somehow transmitted to the barn in South Carolina. And it mutated quickly because remember, by this time what's happening, birds are getting vaccinated with mRNA vaccines for bird flu and for Mars disease, they're getting those vaccines. So now a normal, in quotes , normal bird influenza is getting transmitted from the wild, and it's being put in a barn situation where it can now mutate and based on what they're saying , a high rate of mutation . So in other words , its quickly mutating into , so , and it spread, it spread not just local, but cross state lines like, okay, like a virus knows it to obey state lines . But the point is , is that it's spread over a distance . Here is where I am interjecting my opinion based on what I have read. So here is my opinion based on everything that I have read. This, what happened in 2020 with the H seven N three , it, this was a very contagious strain. But what's more contagious is the H five N one version of bird flu. Remember, it's in the same family . And that is documented. That is not actually my opinion. Scientists agree. It's more contagious. And this version of H five N one that is highly contagious, and that has been mutated. It, it's mutated a lot because in 2022, H five N one existed, but it did not cross pathology into human beings or other animals. It strictly stayed as an avian Bird flu. But now it has mutated and people are able to get the bird flu. Are there a lot of people No. Over the grand scheme of things, since people have been keeping record , I think it's been about eight people who have actually contracted bird flu . I'm talking about going all the way back to 1969 , maybe even further . Um , so there have been people who have contracted it, but not at this rate, and not at the rate that it has crossed into other animals. It has not been known to do that ever. And that's because it's mutating, it's changing and it's changing so rapidly.
Kevin:So at the outset, we mentioned nearly 19 million broilers that had been called. Why are they taking that measure? What's, why is that necessary?
Lisa:Well, look, the, the reason is because the virus has mutated and it's done it so quickly, The only way that they can control it is by getting rid of the animals that are carrying the disease, the mutation. If it was a normal mutation, then things would be going on, just as they always have, since people have been keeping records of bird flow . But because of the mutation of the H five N one and because of the, the how quickly it's, it's mutating, the thing that they're trying to do is just do away with the entire flock so that the virus itself with all of its mutation can go away. And , and I shouldn't say the virus itself, but the mutated, the mutated version of this virus can go away. You're, you're never gonna get rid of bird flow . It's always gonna be around. But this particular mutation that's been caused by these mRNA vaccines, that's what it seems to me. This is just my opinion, but it seems to me what they're trying to get rid of. Is it right, is it ethical? No, I disagree with that. I don't think it's right. I don't think it's ethical, but that's just my opinion. Um, and that's as far as opinions are concerned , that's as far as I'm gonna venture <laugh>.
Kevin:And , and just to clarify too, maybe just, I had this question when, when listening to this too, is, so you mentioned, of course, the historical way of, of protecting the rest of the flock. When you have one or two injured, diseased, you separate them. Right? But am I correct? It sounds like the reason why there's such a high number that they said, okay, they're, they're gonna call this high number , is because one, it's the sheer numbers because it's a large population that's affected with these strains. And then the other is it travels it through the air and then it has jumped from animal to human.
Lisa:Yeah. I mean, basically they've opened the Pandora's box on all of this has been opened.
Kevin:Well, they're trying to play God right, by by mutate, you know, creating these vaccines that are gonna do this, that and the other. But then they don't fully know what they're doing. And then it yeah . Spreads and it gets worse,
Lisa:Right? And it's, and , and I think out of all of the things that they could have done with the mRNA vaccines , birds probably were the worst because birds do the one thing that we all know they do. And that is they travel and they poop everywhere. And, you know, birds are great, don't get me wrong. I love birds. But they, they're, they're highly mobile and they're not the cleanest of animals. I don't mean that in a mean way, but they're not.
Kevin:It brings to mind too, that at least in America, Americans eat quite a bit of chicken every year.
Lisa:They do. Um, I, I did some research on that, and I, I don't think I have that in my notes either, but I will say that , um, I forgot what agency it was. I think it was A-U-S-D-A , um, that I had researched on. And chicken is the most consumed here in the United States. Now, what's interesting is that when you start looking at other countries global, when you start looking at it from a global perspective, chicken is the most consumed meat globally. And when you start going into countries that are, you know, more advanced , um, the, what is it called? The more
Kevin:First world . First
Lisa:First world countries. Yeah. Okay. It's interesting when you start getting into first world countries, yes, chicken is the most consumed animal, but then you also have something else that's going on. And that is, you've got a larger population. So you've got more people eating things like chicken. You've got more countries eating and consuming chicken. So what does that mean? Well, the more people are consuming these animal products, the more production has to go up and higher. And that means you have more chicken farms and, you know, the backyard, the person who's producing their own chicken in the backyard, so to speak, that's kind of dying out. There's not as many people producing their own meat, their own eggs in their own backyards as there were in 1969, for example. So these egg farms are now, there's fewer of them, but they are large,
Kevin:And that's global . Well , even Costco, even Costco has, they, they produce hundreds of thousands of chickens just so they can sell 'em for five bucks and Right, right . And , you know , they're about cooked healthy and chicken pre cooked . Yeah ,
Lisa:Yeah. So, you know, and , and that's, that's to the point that it's like, you know, these, these chicken farms, they're, they're getting larger and larger and larger. So when you have an outbreak like this, like this , um, the bird flu, the , the chance of that bird flu mutating and changing into something that it wasn't originally supposed to do because of the pre-programming that goes into the mRNA vaccines, now you have, now you have a real problem. And that's why they're calling the way that they are , they're trying to get rid of the problem on mass. And it's not, I, I can't emphasize this enough, you know, I know I look at the stats, the majority of our listeners are here in the United States, but there are countries all over the world who are having this problem. Um, I think as of the recording of this, the only country that's not having this problem, which I think is kind of funny, is Australia. And I think that's just because of geography. They're a little bit more isolated. But , you know, there's a lot of countries, countries in Africa, every continent except for Australia. Even Antarctica, I think it's shown up somebody, I thought I read something like that, that, you know, it's shown up there as well. So, you know, and that's pretty isolated. So I don't know how Australia, I , if you're from Australia and you're listening to this, Natalie, I'm looking at you. I, I don't know how you escape this, but you know, like I said, that's as of the recording of this. But , um, but yeah, it's, it's a , it's a huge, huge problem.
Kevin:So to paraphrase, Joel, you know, what does this mean for Joe and Sally Homesteader? I know you said traditionally, it's interesting, traditionally people in the last 60 some years , seven , well, 80 some years, I guess in sixties are not raising chickens and so on. However, we've talked about raising chickens. Mm-hmm <affirmative> . A few times on this podcast. We've been raising chickens for 10 some years, and we know, we've heard that some people have had that interest getting into raising chickens even recently because of these events, because of prices going through the roof, they don't wanna spend $10 for a dozen eggs or 15 for 18 or whatever. It's been the highest course. It's different everywhere. So what does this mean for the typical homesteader, somebody who even is gonna just raise a few chickens, much less 30 or so , like we're gonna be doing these next few months. Um, what does that mean for those people? Because if you get your chickens from a source like a hatchery, they're gonna be vaccinated day one,
Lisa:Day one. And you know, what I didn't mention is that they're gonna be vaccinated day one, and then later in the week they'll be revaccinated, especially for the Meck disease. Um, because the it for efficacy purposes, they, they need to have that. So, you know, if I were, if, if I could, I, that's what I would do. If you're, especially if you're just gonna raise a small flock, I would go ahead and hatch them out myself. I would try to locate a farmer who's willing to sell you fertilized eggs from chickens that have not been vaccinated. I would say to the person who is thinking about getting into backyard chickens, it, first of all, figure out what your tolerance is. Um, because looking at all of this data , um, and all of the scientific research, you know, we've been consuming and breeding chickens that have been getting this mRNA vaccine, because that, that's been going on for many years now, now , and it, looking in hindsight, now, it makes sense why when Covid first came out, that they immediately went to the mRNA vaccine because they had already been using it for many years prior to that on poultry. So, you know, if you're worried about consuming it and it being, you know, in you, for example, then you've likely, if you've eaten out anytime , you know, prior to this, you probably have already consumed it. So I would just say, figure out what your tolerance is. If you don't want that in your food system and you're gonna be growing your own chickens, then my advice to you is go find a farmer who is raising chickens that has not been vaccinated in any way . Get fertilized eggs from them and hatch out your own eggs from there . That's what I would suggest. If your tolerance level is like, you know what, I, I don't, I , I will raise my own chickens . I'm do the best can then by all means . I , I would say probably the best thing to do is to get either your chickens from a local hatchery, a local farm or a local store that you trust that's in your area that sells chicks, that doesn't buy it from a big hatchery. And , you know, the whole nine yards, the key is local. Um, I would try to get as local as I possibly could because the birds will be more conditioned for your area, as opposed to going onto a hatchery and saying, oh, I'd like these birds and that bird and this bird and that bird. You know, they may not do good in your area. So you really kind of have to do your research, make sure you have everything set up. The infrastructure, as we say is very important. Know what you're doing . These are lives that you are dealing with and you wanna treat them accordingly. They're your animals. They are your responsibility. You wanna make sure they're healthy, that they've got a good environment, that they're taking in good food. Because at the end of the day , what they ingest is what you are ingesting. You are what they ate. Exactly. So with that in mind, it just depends on your tolerance. Just thinking out loud, you know, the conclusion that I came to when I did all of this and I was kind of putting all of this together for, for the podcast, I really had to go for a long walk in our , in our woods <laugh> and just really think about the implications and the repercussions of all of this. I was actually nervous to do this podcast because, you know, I love science, but I'm not a scientist. Um, but you know, just reading articles that have been published, science articles that are available for the public to read , um, it just really shows that, like I said, the Pandora's box on all of this has been opened and the playing around with the, the genes and the genetic sequence and, and genomes and, and changing viruses, all of that, we just, we don't know the implications that there's not been enough time to study the effects of what this has in the natural world. Um, so the conclusion that I came to for myself is that we are , are going to have to homestead and farm like we've never done before. We're the first generation. Do you realize that we are the first generation that is going to be dealing with these sort of viruses that mutate so rapidly and change so ve and rapidly we're going to have to homestead with biosecurity in mind. Our grandparents didn't have to do that, but we're the first. So if you're thinking of producing your own food, that is something that you're really going to have to think about as biosecurity. How do you prevent your animals from not just getting sick from the regular diseases that, you know, let's say goats get or, you know, cattle or you know, birds as we've discussed, but now cross species viruses that are new that we've never seen before. So that is something that we're really going to have to think long and hard about. So one of the things that I did is I tried to figure out, have any of the governments done anything to prevent these viruses from like mutating any further, any outbreaks, anything like that? Again, I am referring to as of the recording of this, because at this point there is, at least in the United States , um, Biden has just left office and there's new president, president Trump. So there's a change in administration. So it could be that things might get a little bit different, but I do want to say this , um, that there is a funding that , uh, has been done. It's the funding, the Chemical biological defense program. President Biden asked for 81.7 billion with a B billion dollars over five years for pandemic preparedness . And that is about a 10th of the expected cost of the H five in one pandemic , potentially that , so the risk of the H five N one over the next decade, or even the combined risk of other PA pathogens , um, with the pandemic, it's probably, in other words, it's probably not gonna be enough. So there's a lot of funding that needs to take place , uh, for the pandemic preparedness. Pandora's box has already been open , so the cat's out of the bag and it's running amok. So, you know, there's really not much you or I can do about it. Um, I don't even know that the governments can really do anything about it, but it's , this is really a case of the Bible says that man is ruining the earth and far be it for me to, I mean , the Lord says what the Lord says, but man ruining the earth just seems like it's <laugh> . It seems like it's a little bit mild. It feels more like he's just destroying the earth. Um,
Kevin:Yeah, it's, it's more now like it's man is ruining the earth to the nth degree.
Lisa:Yeah, exactly. On a level never seen before, but there are some things that the governments are trying to do and they do try to put some things in place. So there is that as well.
Kevin:Alright , well thank you for taking this , uh, scientific journey with us. Yeah. And , um, as always, we'd like to thank you for supporting us on the two Weeker Homestead podcast. Mm-hmm <affirmative> . And be sure to check out the show notes. We'll have some more information including , um, links to articles and so on that support what we've been talking about today. So from all of us here, to all of you out there,
Lisa:Happy homesteading
Kevin:And stay safe out there.
