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Jay Lawrence Goes to Pennsylvania
Welcome to the Z Michelson Travel Podcast, where every journey is a story waiting to be told. I'm your host, z Michelson, and I'm so excited to take you on a ride through the world's most incredible destinations, hidden gems and unforgettable experiences. Whether you're a seasoned traveler or just starting to plan your next getaway, you're in the right place. Each episode, we'll be diving into everything from must-see landmarks to off-the-beaten-path treasures, speaking with locals and travel experts and sharing stories that will inspire your next adventure. So sit back, relax and let's wander the world together, one destination at a time. Are you ready? Let's get started. Hey, this is Zee.
Speaker 2:Michelson and I have a surprise for everybody today. With me is the illustrious Jay Lawrence. Jay has been on hiatus. He supposedly is retired, but he's been traveling quite a bit and I brought him in here to talk all about his recent travels. Hey, jay, how's it going?
Speaker 3:Oh, just fine, you know, I think everyone needs to know how long we've been together.
Speaker 2:How long have we been together?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean it goes back several, several, several years ago, and you know, yeah, so we have a history.
Speaker 2:We do have a history, I want to say over 20 years.
Speaker 3:Yes. Shut up For over 20 years, so yeah, and you keep coming back like a bad penny.
Speaker 2:You can't get rid of me. I'm like a bad penny. You're absolutely right, yeah. So I know that you went around with your lovely wife, yeah, and you went up north, northeast.
Speaker 3:Yes, we had a road trip.
Speaker 2:A road trip? You do a lot of road trips lately. Are you enjoying?
Speaker 3:Not to talk about the travel industry or anything, but with those airplanes, every day there's an airplane story, so I kind of like to drive.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, you're here in the United States and we talked about rediscovering America, so where did you rediscover?
Speaker 3:Well, the bottom line is, I didn't rediscover. I discovered the state of Pennsylvania where I had never been before.
Speaker 2:You've never been to Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3:Well, I'd been to Philadelphia once, but just in Philadelphia, Okay, and a distant cousin said of my wife. He said there's Pittsburgh on your left and there's Philadelphia on your right and in the middle is Alabama. I really don't think so, but I understand there's a lot of back country there. It's absolutely gorgeous, yeah.
Speaker 2:So where did you go if you didn't go to Philadelphia and you didn't go to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:Where did you go?
Speaker 3:Well, we started off. This was a the wife's looking at where the wife had grown up. That was the high school reunion time.
Speaker 2:Oh, she had a high school reunion. How fun was that.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, we've got to get there first. So we've planned this. We have planned this for a year that we were going to go to Pennsylvania to see her friends, and so do you want me to tell you where we went, and then we could talk about it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's talk from Florida and heading north.
Speaker 3:Heading north Mount Airy, gettysburg, dwoskins Glen.
Speaker 2:Did you stop or just fly past it?
Speaker 3:Corning, new York, new York, yeah, and then we went to Mansfield and then Grove City.
Speaker 2:Now Grove City. I haven't heard of.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, that's where my wife spent a lot of her time, so okay, and then we came home, okay. So there's the trip, okay.
Speaker 2:So you went along and went up and you went to Corning New York. So that means you had to go back down into Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3:No well, back up to New York, because we went to Watkins Glen.
Speaker 2:New York, you love race.
Speaker 3:Bingo. That was it. My son had been there and I was in that area, or you know, we were close. I said, well, let's go there, right, because I wanted to see it. So set out on a Saturday, or was it a Sunday, I don't remember.
Speaker 2:That's okay.
Speaker 3:Heading north on 95. And where did you have to go first? Where do you go when you need gas? You go to Buck.
Speaker 2:And you know I still have not been to Bucky's yet.
Speaker 3:You're missing the boat, mary, because it's just like Walmart with gas stations. Walmart with gas stations yeah it is. I saw a history of the guy that started that. It's quite interesting.
Speaker 2:You love backstories.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, your backstories kind of yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So you went to Butthead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had to get my cinnamon roll.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:And she gets a. I can't remember what it's called. It's a big thing and it's just you know. Wow.
Speaker 2:So not only was it a traveling trip, it was an eating.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Now, we had prepared snacks. We had got snacks. We got fruit, all kinds of things. You know, we were prepared. Great thing about my wife, please, you know is when we travel she feeds me while I'm driving.
Speaker 2:Well, that's good, Like a third hand comes right there in the mouth, comes through your mouth, yeah Well, she wants to make sure that you stay awake.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes. So I guess the first big thing was we went to Mount Airy.
Speaker 2:North Carolina, north Carolina.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's that famous for?
Speaker 2:I don't know, off the top of my head.
Speaker 3:Mount Airy is allegedly well the home of Andy Griffith.
Speaker 2:Supposedly it was the home.
Speaker 3:That's where he really lived. He really grew up there, right, and so they turned the town into Mayberry, almost Mayberry, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know, there is a real Mayberry, North Carolina.
Speaker 3:Oh no, I don't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a real.
Speaker 3:Mayberry Wow, Okay, well that, but Mount Airy is where we spent a couple hours just walking around looking at things, and it was an old town.
Speaker 2:Was it very touristy at that point Because they turned it into where Andy Griffith really grew up, right, yeah?
Speaker 3:I kind of. I guess it was Sunday, so everything was closed. Stores were closed on Main Street.
Speaker 2:That is the Bible Belt.
Speaker 3:Now my friend who lives across the street from me. They had been there and they took the tour. So you get a tour around the town in a police car that looks like Andy Griffith's police car. Yeah, we didn't do that, oh.
Speaker 2:Party coup.
Speaker 3:But we followed it a little bit. So, we went to Mount Airy. I mean, after Mount Airy, did you stay in North Carolina that night? No, no, no, no, no. We headed further north at that time and let's see we were heading towards. I can't remember the town, I get lost, but what we ended up Hopefully not when you're driving. Nope, nope, was that Don Marks's? Nope, nope, we. Okay, so we were headed towards a town in I can't Okay, boy. My, I know where we were.
Speaker 2:And you have all sorts of notes here in front of me.
Speaker 3:But we went on the back roads. Okay, we were so close to Gettysburg, oh nice that we had originally said we wanted to go and stay there and then we said no, we don't want to stay there, so we were going to bypass it. Well, we're on the interstate. It was like turn right and you can get there. Got on a back road Love the back roads, love the back roads. Got onto the back end of the Gettysburg battlefield oh wow.
Speaker 3:I mean, really got into it, yep, and we got into it. They built an observation tower that some military people actually still use, just to look at how that happened.
Speaker 2:Right the strategic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so we drove around Gettysburg, the battlefields and you could see kind of things. We didn't do a tour. Probably should have done a tour, but I'm kind of like I don't want to do it, you know. So that was cool.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And then we drove past a little cemetery. It wasn't a little cemetery, there was a sign that said Abe Lincoln gave the Gettysburg Address right here.
Speaker 2:See.
Speaker 3:You know, oh wow.
Speaker 2:Did you take pictures?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Why didn't I see this on your Facebook?
Speaker 3:Well, you got to find my wife's Facebook, because she's the choreographer.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you're not posting? Oh no, I know, Shame, shame.
Speaker 3:She posts everything. So the other thing in Gettysburg. Now, what is anything Gettysburg famous for Other than the war? Yeah, the home of President Eisenhower. Oh, president Eisenhower had a farm which was absolutely right behind the Gettysburg battlefield. Wow, and so I'd seen it, I'd heard about it.
Speaker 2:And it must have been a sign yeah, yeah, right, here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and we drove in and it was just like a little modest farmhouse. I mean, where are presidents going today when they left presidency, you know?
Speaker 2:Right, you wanted something quiet and calm.
Speaker 3:The commander in chief, the general. He and his wife lived on a farm.
Speaker 2:Right, that's what he wanted. He wanted to relax.
Speaker 3:And it was a gigantuous farm. They're still working.
Speaker 2:It's still a working farm.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was so cool.
Speaker 2:How many days did it take you to get from Florida to Gettysburg?
Speaker 3:Two.
Speaker 2:Twoburg Two, two days.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, we originally started in Charleston. No, chattanooga, chattanooga.
Speaker 2:No, not.
Speaker 3:Chattanooga, not Chatt. Where are you going? It starts with a C. There's a racetrack there. Where's that racetrack?
Speaker 2:Charlottesville, charlotte.
Speaker 3:Charlotte, charlotte.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of C's going up the coast there. Yeah, yeah. That was pretty interesting, it's a good place to get up to that region.
Speaker 3:And then where?
Speaker 2:did you go after Williamsburg or Gettysburg?
Speaker 3:Let me see. Oh, and then we were driving north still and we saw the Skyline Drive, okay, which we drove, and it was a national park right.
Speaker 2:So it's it's closer and it's it's west it's north.
Speaker 3:No, we just where we're going. I trust me, will I going north and we're fine. We found this sign, skyline drive, so we said we got to take it right. A national park. All right, I've got my National Park pets. You love using your pachinko Doesn't have to pay for it and it's many miles long on top of a mountain, but it overlooks Shenandoah National Park.
Speaker 2:That was the thing.
Speaker 3:That was the sight, that was the thing that we got to see.
Speaker 2:Did you stay in Shenandoah or just kept moving on?
Speaker 3:Just kept moving on.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, yes now, when you, when you're doing all this traveling and your wife is feeding you, yes, and you're just moving along, your, your ultimate goal is to get to Pennsylvania for your wife's reunion oh yeah, oh hey, hey, we're not there, not even there, this could be this could be episode number two.
Speaker 3:You know um we we got to in in Virginia. We went to Laurel's Cavern.
Speaker 2:Laurel Canyons.
Speaker 3:L-U-R-A-Y L-U-R-A-Y Cavern.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 3:Laurel, uh-huh And-.
Speaker 2:Now, these were the caverns.
Speaker 3:This was a cavern, this was a cave. Mile and a half walk underground, oh nice, we saw water fall. You know, know water, and it was like right oh yeah, yes, it was gorgeous. Yeah, yeah, um, so that that was a, that's in virginia right so we're getting further north, right, you know, oh, I guess we hadn't got to then. Then we got to to Gettysburg after that.
Speaker 2:Okay, right, so you're all over the place right now, which is fine, because that's what you do when you're going on the road. Road trips, and people should do that. Throw the map out the window and just travel along. Now, if you could. Okay, did you use a real map or did you use?
Speaker 3:Most of 99% of the time we were on gps, really, yeah, uh, we did have a map with us, okay, but I ended up starting to look at that on figuring out how I'm getting home later. Uh, now, somewhere in carroll, pennsylvania, we, we and this was a very back road. I have no idea where it was we found a covered bridge I love covered bridges uhhuh, so this was in a part of Pennsylvania. Yeah, that one Carroll Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2:Carroll, like the girls name.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, yes, yes. So we got to Wells, wellsboro and Mansfield, pennsylvania. Mansfield is where my wife went to college. Okay, but that's in Pennsylvania. I don't know why I'm ahead of the story. Okay, got to Watkins Glen.
Speaker 2:Watkins Glen. We had three Because you went there first before you settled in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it was up. And then come across back west Watkins Glen, we had a resort Nice, beautiful resort Lakeside, resort Lakeside.
Speaker 2:Resort, Lakeside Resort. I really recommend it. It's nice, beautiful. Okay To the shameless plug. What was the name?
Speaker 3:Lakeside Resort.
Speaker 2:That's the name of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That was easy. Lakeside Resort in Watkins Glen.
Speaker 3:And it's actually a little north of Watkins Glen, but they're, you know, they're out at Watkins Glen. So we were there three days. We had booked three days to stay there. Just tooling triers Right Look at the we had a beautiful lake view of the lake, whatever the lake is called, which is Lake Seneca.
Speaker 2:Oh Seneca Lake.
Speaker 3:Seneca Lake.
Speaker 2:Seneca Lake.
Speaker 3:Yes, there you go.
Speaker 2:So now I know what part of the world you're in.
Speaker 3:Okay, so here's the big story. This is the big story of the vacation there's a Washington Glen State Park.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:And they have a gorge trail.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know it's a breathtaking path of waterfalls and stone steps. The fact is there's 832 total steps. Oh okay, you're not. I mean not walking, these are things. You walk up and down 832. And we ended up. There's an entrance and an exit and we got it to the top. We started at the top, we didn't realize we were starting at the top, but that's where we started. So to get down, you have to go down Jacob's Ladder, which is 182 steps down to get to the gourd.
Speaker 2:Oh wow. So technically you were climbing up and you were climbing down.
Speaker 3:Didn't help any.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:So I get about halfway in.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And my legs completely gave out. Oh, completely.
Speaker 2:A lot of running around, a lot of walking around.
Speaker 3:So we ended up talking. A couple came by that helped us, a local couple. They knew that I was in trouble.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Now my wife was concerned that I was having a heart attack, right, but I wasn't having a heart attack. Right, but I wasn't having a heart attack.
Speaker 2:Was weak, leg Weak leg and were you dehydrated?
Speaker 3:I was not dehydrated.
Speaker 2:I was not dehydrated, but but you know, I always recommend, when you're doing stuff like this, make sure you stay hydrated.
Speaker 3:And they recommended that. They recommended that and I drank oh, I've been drinking a lot. So the lady that came in the couple, they called 911.
Speaker 2:There's signs all over on the trail, exciting adventure that day If you're in trouble, call 911.
Speaker 3:So she called 911. So they sent a crew, four people that came. We have an EMT guy Volunteers in the area come to help, that's nice. Yes, so they ended up carrying me, not carry me Assisting you. They assisted me. They were doing medical diagnosis on me, I'm sure everything was going where it's supposed to be. So then I took two guys walking me side by side, walked me basically to an EM a cart what do you call it? Emt, amt a cart, those kind of big golf cart A big golf cart.
Speaker 3:Took me to an ambulance, got in an ambulance, they did more evaluation and all that was wrong was my legs were weak.
Speaker 2:Weak legs.
Speaker 3:So that was all.
Speaker 2:So the moral of the story is next time you go on one of these journeys, make sure you're in tip-top condition.
Speaker 3:Right, right, these people were all volunteers, that'd be nice, what a story. And Right right, these people were all volunteers, that'd be nice. What a story.
Speaker 2:And what park is this again?
Speaker 3:Watkins Glen State Park, uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Okay, Watkins Glen State Park. That's nice to know. So people are wanting to do that.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Now, even though your legs were weak, even if your legs were not weak, how easy would it be to get around that path?
Speaker 3:Well, as my wife says, one gal came, was coming towards us from the other end Right, and she said I've done the Ironman Right. This is terrible.
Speaker 2:So it is a little difficult if you have some trouble.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. And the guy at the top who sold us the pass to get into the park, you know, said oh yeah, you got some steps to go down and then it's about a mile mile and a half park, you know, walk and then you go out, right, not a problem, holy crap.
Speaker 2:Right. So after that little fun excursion, where did you go Back to the hotel to rest?
Speaker 3:No, the park rangers were so nice. Right, they took us back to where our car was. Right, were so nice, they took us back to where our car was got in the car. I was ready to drive. My legs were you?
Speaker 2:rested.
Speaker 3:Yeah enough, I rested enough. So then we went to a restaurant on the lake because we had reservations for a boat ride at 2.30 in the afternoon. So we sat there by the lake and got ready for the boat ride. We had a boat ride on Lake Seneca, and that was it Very good. So am I boring you yet?
Speaker 2:No, keep going. I mean, we still have another 10 minutes to go here, so where else are we going After Watkins? Did you see the racetrack?
Speaker 3:The next day. Yes, thank you. The next day was the day we were going to go see the racetrack. Yes, so we found the racetrack. Yes, so we found the racetrack. The racetrack has a history. Like in the 1950s, it started as a street race Right With sports cars Right, and so the street race course is still mapped out. You can follow it. How fun. So my son had mentioned that and we followed it. And, my word, the guys that had to drive, that were nuts.
Speaker 2:Well, I think a lot of the race car drivers back then were nuts yeah.
Speaker 3:So the racing scene started better, and then they built this track outside of town, but it's still a road race course on the hills of Watkins Glen.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And so we got to the track. Daily, the track rents out the race track for sports car guys to come and run, so there were cars running all the time, oh, so you got to watch the little. Yeah, it was fun, I saw it. And they had one bleacher section open that you could go sit and watch what's going on, right? So what did I do? I climbed to the top of the bleacher section. How were you laying? That's what you know. I did okay.
Speaker 2:I did okay, yeah, so it was just that walk down the path down to you really have to watch when you go on some of those heights, because some of those heights are deceiving. You think they're low, but it's really high and yeah it's crazy.
Speaker 3:Oh, did you see? I got pictures here of the steps that I was actually having to take and this was going down. Yeah, this was still going down. There's a picture of the steps. You know I was still going down. There's a picture of the steps. You know I was still going down to get out and we crossed the bridge, went to the left and then there was a walking path versus the gorge path.
Speaker 2:Right and I can understand that. When I was in Mexico I went into one of the cenotes and it was like. I was walking down, down, down.
Speaker 3:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:You would think you're going down. It's the easier thing to go. I was regretting because I had to go back up. Oh yeah, so that took a while.
Speaker 3:Lucky me, I got a ride.
Speaker 2:So did you ever get back to Pennsylvania? Oh, yeah, yeah so you had said you went into Corning, so I'm assuming you went to Corning after Watkins. Glen, nope, no, no, no, you went to Corning before Watkins.
Speaker 3:We drove through Corning and went north to get to Watkins Glen.
Speaker 2:Right when Corning? Where is from?
Speaker 3:That's yeah. The wife kind of wanted to take a tour and I went eh.
Speaker 2:She might have bought something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I might have found out my legs were in bad shape before then. Yeah, so one of the things that we look for in Pennsylvania around I can't remember what area it was we look for the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon. Have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 2:I've heard of it. Have I seen it?
Speaker 3:No, Literally it's 1,500 feet deep, Okay, and it's wrapped around. You know, trees and everything, a very high gorge.
Speaker 2:And you did not walk down it.
Speaker 3:Right, so again. Well, okay, we're on GPS and it took us, I'm going to say, backwards.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:So we didn't really get it at that point. So it took us on a one. It said go down this road, and there in front of us a tree had fallen across the road. What A tree fell.
Speaker 2:That's a natural bridge.
Speaker 3:No, no. So we had to turn around and go back. We ended up finding it. It was fantastic. It was fantastic. So we also saw the. I'm going to spell this for you K-I-N-Z-U-A dam.
Speaker 2:Kinzu.
Speaker 3:Yep Kinzu Dam. The problem was over 600 families were forced from their homes to build that.
Speaker 2:To build a dam. They've done that a lot throughout the United States.
Speaker 3:But it basically has saved the town of Warren, pennsylvania, zillions of dollars because of a flood A couple of years ago. I guess the rain had rained from a hurricane that was almost peaking this dam, and if all that water had gone through originally it would have almost wiped out of town. So we had pizza at Warren, pennsylvania, at the Plaza Restaurant you don't have pizza in Pennsylvania, you have pizza in New York. Well, no.
Speaker 2:How was it?
Speaker 3:It was good. It was good. So we got to Sheffield, pennsylvania, which was the childhood home of my wife, and we stopped at the old train station where she got off the train. You know, she was from Italy, originally, right, and migrated at 10 years old. Right Got off a train into a little town called Sheffield and her mother kept saying I hope, this isn't it, I hope this isn't it.
Speaker 2:And it was.
Speaker 3:It was yeah. So she graduated from high school from there and met several of her friends that showed up.
Speaker 2:We had a couple of that was the reunion.
Speaker 3:Reunion stuff yeah. It was fun. Before that actually, we'd gone to where she'd gone to college, we met a college person, a friend. That was a good reunion.
Speaker 2:What college did she go to?
Speaker 3:What college did she go through? I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Pennsylvania State.
Speaker 3:Nope, nope, nope, nope. Warren, it's in Warren, I believe. Okay, warren, pennsylvania. Well, you're wrong about that. You know, I was there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were there.
Speaker 3:I was there and the fun thing there was her college was actually built on a hill. Right, because when we say hills are where, where we live, are nothing.
Speaker 2:There are no hills.
Speaker 3:So she said she could do 4,000 steps in a day walking to and from classes, right. So we were kind of looking for stuff to find driving around and we passed the campus police officer Right, he's sitting there, campus security. So I said go talk to him. She jumps out of the car and we get a police escort all around Hi mate.
Speaker 3:He was really great to meet, and so then we went to that was Sheffield, or high school, and then we went to a course she taught she didn't teach in Grove City, but that's where the area. She taught high school for 32 years and after that we came home.
Speaker 2:And that was your trip. Woo, that was a lot of trip. Now you're telling me you're going away again. Yes, you're going on a bus trip.
Speaker 3:Bus trip At the end of August, August 31st. We lead for America the Beautiful.
Speaker 2:And that's taking you where.
Speaker 3:Ending up in Yellowstone. Oh, you're going to try to do a Northwest, oh my goodness, you know such diversity in landscape and I kept saying these hills and everything. I could not believe it because where I grew up, when I go north out of Florida and go north, it's flat land. Right, it's pretty flat. I'm in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2:I could not believe this country.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, wow, it was so exciting.
Speaker 2:And, just like you said, you can't believe this country. There are so many differences throughout the United.
Speaker 1:States.
Speaker 2:And people really need to rediscover America.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. How long have we been saying that?
Speaker 2:A long long time and now you are actually retired and rediscovered, but you're not going to be driving this.
Speaker 3:Right. Somebody else is doing the driving, taking the bus and leaving the driveway, and how long are you going to? Be gone Probably about three weeks.
Speaker 2:Oh, three weeks, yeah Nice, because you're going to go over and up.
Speaker 3:Up yeah. Over and up, and it's been very hot, I'm taking a pair of blue jeans this time. Oh, okay, good, just in case.
Speaker 2:It's a little chilly too, particularly at night. Well, jay, thank you for joining me today. I appreciate it. When you get back in September sometime, we'll talk about your store.
Speaker 3:I may have a tour. Hopefully I'll be a little more organized.
Speaker 2:We'll never know. Thank you again. You have a great day.
Speaker 1:Well, that's it for today's episode of the Zine Michelson Travel Podcast. I hope you enjoyed our journey and found some new inspiration for your next adventure. Remember, the world is full of stories and sometimes all it takes is a plane ticket to start your own adventure. If you loved today's episode, be sure to tune in every week and don't forget to share your favorite travel moments with me on social media. I'd really love to hear about where you're headed to next. So until next time, keep exploring, keep discovering and, as always, keep traveling with your heart wide open. No-transcript.