EP 21: Mark England | The Power Of Words

Mark England is a professional speaker and educator in the realm of how words shape our stories, core beliefs, identities and realities; not to mention a personal friend and loyal supporter of William Arthrur Jewelry! This podcast was recorded after a weekend of getting to spend time at his family lake house in Moneta, VA with the Enlifted coaching family where we got to meet face to face for the very first time. The work that Mark and his company offer, referred to as the "Enlifted Method" has benefited thousands of humans across the globe in helping them get control of their breath, words, identity and therefore, their lives. Tune in to the show to experience some of the absurdly simple but massively impactful tools that he brings to the table via the words we use.

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Transcript

bill 0:00

The lake house is beautiful. We're actually overlooking the lake right now. Mark England's Lake house. I'm sitting here with Mr. Mark England, aka Gey Gar Damn Jesus as fondly referred to by the enlisted community here,

mark 0:14

Gey. Gar is better than Gar Gey. Gar is good. That's like, um, that's tolerable. Gar. That's just, that's some Neanderthal, like you got Gar. And that is Neanderthal

bill 0:27

and Gro Gro. Um, yeah. Welcome to the show. Thanks the William Arthur's. This has been, uh, another creative outlet of mine for some time, and you were a part of bringing it to life. That coaching session we had as part of a trade for the AK 47 pendant that we collaborated on and brought to life together. So that's cool to reflect on that, that first, uh, moment of connection. Some of the first phone calls we had, uh, you know, talking about the language work and knowing you through Mr. Ryan Sprague's work, um, doing the core language upgrade and discussing how that's impacted me. I remember that first phone call that I had with you in my living room, and I believe that was when we opened up the discussion about the AK 47 pendant, which I'm wearing. I'm wearing, which he's wearing. He's got the abra cadaver piece on, which was also a pleasure to make. And you're fun to work with, dude. You're fun to work with. Yeah. Um, It's, it's been very interesting the places jewelry arts has led me. I've traveled to Tahiti French Polynesia through a design and competition that I won, that I got to go to with, with my mother and my twin sister. Uh, traveled all around the country for different events and showcases. And, uh, the Tucson Gem Show, which is an epic event every single year. It's like a citywide takeover of gems and minerals and jewelry industry and, uh, great community surrounding it as well. Music festivals, all sorts of festivities happening with that. But, uh, how's your experience been, uh, this October and lifted Chronicles number six? It's number six. Number six?

mark 2:13

Uh, well, um, there's a lot of entry points into the, Variety of, of, of answers to that question. One of them is, uh, we just graduated. This is, this is, I'm, I'm saying it and I already said it last year, but this is the last time we're doing this shit here at the lake house. Really? Because Yes, because there's, there's too many rad people. Yep. Great problem to have. We graduated our 290th, uh, coach last Wednesday, uh, group 29, level one. And, um, there's so many fun, cool people to invite to whatever we're doing. We have to take that into consideration. Uh, and I did this one. So the, the, this is Lakehouse Chronicle number six, four and five were last July. And we, we blocked off three weeks, uh, start to finish, and then two weekends in the middle. We ran three day, three and a half day weekends. Uh, and we sold tickets to'em. Mm-hmm. and Kimberly and Adam were facilitating that. They were, they were, they were organizing it. And uh, um, the tickets were, I mean, we came out in the, in the red, It doesn't matter. We, we covering the food costs and all the stuff and, and so this time, and we sold both of those out within two days. And, um, there's a lot of people that wanted to come that couldn't. And, you know, just can I bring my addicted to get you see, you see where that goes? Yeah. And so I'm looking at this a year later with 120 more coaches added to the roster, and I'm like, I feel that we can pull this off. I didn't think so much week. I was like, I just got that gut feeling that I can turn the lights on. October 1st at noon party on Wayne. Mm-hmm. Uh uh, and then. Turn them off October 31st at noon p party off Gar And we'll, we'll run it, We'll deal with it. Don't tell me, don't ask, if you can come, just tell me that you're coming, when you're coming and, um, assuming so we're halfway through, assuming that the second half runs as smooth as the first half. And it's a safe assumption because, uh, we peaked last weekend as far as the head count. And prior to that, the most people we had had on premise before was 23. And, uh, um, that was, it was a family event. It was an England Oliver Clan event. Mm-hmm. um, I think it was the 4th of July or something, a couple years ago. Word. Anyway, we peaked, we blew that outta the water with 31 people on the property. Yes. A couple people were, three people were in vans and shit for Yeah. Um, and was fucking 31 people cycling through this house. Mm-hmm. and eating. And it just, the flow was great, dude. Mm-hmm. Um, and this house is built for that, as you and I have discussed. My dad was a quick stories as a football player, and he went to school about 30 minutes away from here, and they got this house 10 years ago for he and his football team who are still tight to be able to get together and go to games. Okay. Right over there and party. And so it's, it sleeps 19 and beds, uh, uh, without all the, you know, blow up. Mattresses. Mm-hmm. um, blow up sex stalls. We gotta blow up sex stall downstairs. Ursula. Yeah, Ursula, she's, she's loyal. Very loyal. um, Uh, so yeah, this has been, um, a very fun two weeks so far. There's plenty of fireworks. There's more cool people coming in. Got a big UFC fight next, next weekend. Mm-hmm. as in like, the biggest fight of the year. That's rad. Um, and another part of that, that answer, um, is I'm off the fucking clock dude. You are? Yeah. Good. In the sense, in the sense, Thank you very much. In the sense that I'm not teaching class. Mm-hmm. I've got, you know, I've got a, a, um, a work call. Um, I've got a team meeting today and, um, Uh, I got a, a talk to give on Wednesday and stuff like that. Just a couple little odds and ends, and it's minimal, minimal time on the clock. I'm completely off the clock as far as teaching is concerned. Why is that a big deal for me? Uh, so we've been, I have a month off of teaching and we've been running certs, certifications, overlapping concurrent certifications, which I've delivered all those trainings for the past three years and seven months, no breaks. And so this, it's a, it's a little bit awkward, like a fun, awkward, like, Oh, what am I gonna do with my ti? I don't have to think about getting people across the finish line and who's got what and who's turned in this. Mm-hmm. all that stuff. And, and so I get to spend a, uh, a nice fun month with a lot of my favorite people at, um, a place that is near and dear to my heart on a family level and also on a soul family level. Yeah. And. And it's also very fun to, Part of the reason that I do this is in open up the lake house, um, to all the, the, I mean, we fucking party here too, man. Yep. Uh, the parties and the collaborations is to see what happens afterwards, the collaborations that happen afterwards. It's fantastic for, um, uh, setting and resetting and resetting and, and, and, and forming a, a, a core crew of people in the community. And that is what we're doing. Um, which is, which is invaluable to, uh, endure, swing and open, um, to the longevity of enlisted. Uh, I use these words a lot. We're just getting started cuz we are. And, um, in the community and the cohesiveness of the community, we've knocked so many. Home runs out of this, outta this house. Mm-hmm. knock shit outta the

bill 8:46

park. Yes sir. Lots of magic.

mark 8:48

Lots of emerge. Lots of magic. Yeah. For real. Relentless work sessions done on that table out there. Two online courses filmed in the basement. Yep. I don't know how many damn classes and certs and sessions I've done Zoom workshops outta here. And then Yes. People show up with their podcasts with um, you know, other work ideas. And I tell people like, listen, this place has got the X factor. If you've got a decision to make, make it while you're here. Mm-hmm. if you've got something to put out, put, start putting it out while you're here. Mm-hmm. Um, and the Gods are with

bill 9:25

you. True. And speaking upon the core language upgrade, which you are officially bringing together version two. Of, you know, um, your introductory level course, online course, which is how I got introduced to your work vocabulary. Um, you did that first before we spoke. Yes. Sweet too. Yes. My first introduction officially was at a Paul Check workshop in 2020 when I crossed paths with Ryan Sprague and he was wearing a flus shirt, and that was something we also connected over. You're like, what is a flus like? It's an an strange electronic music group that makes, you know, funky psychedelic bass music. But uh, yeah, we got to talking and, you know, As we know Ryan has, he's a man that's walking, and he literally has a flame behind him as he, you know, just moves through the world. But yeah, I make, so I was drawn in by that energy.

mark 10:23

I make the bad joke that, uh, you know, if he ever comes outta the shell, he'll, he'll be successful. Now you gotta understand this guy's the fucking, he's a walking party. He's a walking party. He's just, he's, he's got a flame. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

bill 10:35

walking behind him. Yeah. But he was, you know, one of the things that came through in the conversation was the, the topic of a cadabra and, and what it meant in ancient Aramaic. As I speak, I create, or as I speak, I influence. And, you know, I was very fascinated by that. And, uh, it, you know, created a sense of curiosity within me and Ryan overall just created, you know, sparked so much within me in terms of, um, What's possible in life. So I got curious about him, checked out more of his work, worked with him, did a, uh, a group, a sort of group setting with the vocabulary. So he'd, you know, go through the, the different modulars or modules and come together and discuss the criteria to integrate it and to understand it, uh, better and to practically apply it. Um, but yes, today we're with Mark England, a legend of Legends, a Chief of Chiefs, a leader of leaders, a master of fun. Um, I'll take that last

mark 11:41

one. I'm a master of fun. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I don't know about all this other, other stuff. I'm, I can talk about it and I, I understand why I understand the, the intros and stuff, but I mean, we did, we did negation. People are like, How'd you create the community? I'm like, Well, it's cuz I don't want to lead this thing. Yeah. One of the dumbest things someone can do is, is I'm gonna be a leader because I want to be a leader there. And there's an inherent, um, f fault in that approach. Mm-hmm. Um, the best leaders that I know of are the ones that do it with reluctance. They're like, Okay, fine. I'm put in this position and I'm gonna do my best. I understand the weight of this request. Um, and Adam and I, you know, we were just two guys with an idea and the thing took off and the direction that it did and we're like, Okay, well this is obviously the direction that, uh, vocabulary and, and lifted want to go. And, and then people kept signing up for the certs and eventually those people getting together and as people were having questions and looking for us. Mm-hmm. And we're just, we're, we've done our best. Uh, steer this thing with minimum, um, effective dose, if that makes sense. Yeah. It's like I'm, I'm not here to lead. Okay. It's its own living. It's its own living thing. I'm here to steward this thing. Like, uh, I don't, What have I done a lot during the week? I take out the trash Okay. I, I run shit to the dump. I go fill up the spring water, which is an hour each way. Uh, drop people off in the air. I like that shit. Mm-hmm. Um, instead of, you know, a variety of other ways that I could position myself in this community, um, I wanna be in the middle and at the bottom. Yes.

bill 13:35

Yeah. Yeah. So the enlisted program and coaching certification that you offer, The words Yeah. The breath. Yeah. Reframing the stories. Um, actively pursuing an identity. That suits what you're seeking in life and that allows you to do badass shit. To do rad shit, as you would say. Very well said. Yeah. Can you tell us more about what this this program is about and what it's done for you and what it's done for your students and, uh, the horizons, It's expanded.

mark 14:10

Yeah, so we, um, level one certification is, it's all about, it's the art and science of foundational remediation of the victim mentality. Also known as the stuckness, also known as the struggle. Uh, because that's where most people are going to meet their clients. Very rarely does, uh, someone book in for, they go get a coach, cuz the, when the sun's out, everything's fantastic. I got momentum, I'm gonna go get a coach. No, they, they're, they're struggling with something, there's a problem somewhere. Uh, and they need, they need some assistance. and there's a story there promise you there's a story there. And that story will have a certain architecture to it. There will be language patterns to it, and you can bet your sweet ass that they haven't written those stories of ouch and pain and stinging, wo down in a certain way. Uh, and there's a big difference between a story kept in the head as far as someone's ability, even a skilled coach, uh, their ability to facilitate transformation. There's a big difference between a story kept in the head, dialoguing back and forth, getting down to what's really going on. And a lot of times there's just was one sentence, just holding the whole thing together, getting down to that one sentence and being able to do something with it, going back and forth verbally in com, in co in, in comparison to once the story's written down. So we're very big on a specific kind of, uh, uh, and that's an understatement. Very big on writing things out. Conversationally specific events. Let's get the worst shit you got. Get it on paper and then putting it through a process of getting the breath in there, short story, getting the breath in there, and then start making some adjustments to the words. So then you can have a second or a third draft on this story. Most people don't even have a draft to hand in. They just, they're going with that version of the thing that, the version of the story that they made when they were nine, when, you know they were sat down and, uh, told that their parents are getting a divorce. And you're going with mom, and I'm gonna, you're gonna stay here and live with mom, and I'm gonna get an apartment, you know, across town. I'll see you every other weekend. And so, you know, the story happens and they create a meaning around it. And that emotion and feeling at the time lodges that belief system, which is a, uh, over celebrated word for an idea or an opinion. I've got all these belief system. You mean you got some bunch of ideas Okay. That you made when you were six and 12 and you haven't gone back and looked at'em. You're just letting them run in the background, in the foreground. Um, and this is all an education issue, bro. This is just, that's all it is. Mm-hmm. um, most people's education about their language comes down to spelling, grammar and definitions like regular spelling and grammar and definitions. Mm-hmm. and how to do a research paper that has to be eight pages long or whatever. There's a whole other side to the conversation about story and identity and that's where we start the conversation. Um, we paid a guy. Money, uh, a few years ago to scrub our social media and look at what people were reacting to most and best and what they were most interested in. Out of all the things that we, we talked about, talk about. And it came back with two things. Uh, first the victim mentality and then a very, very distant second was goal setting. And interestingly enough, that's where we start the conversation. Most people have never heard the definition of the victim mentality. They just, they just get their ass kicked by it. Mm-hmm. uh, unbeknownst to them. And there's a whole lot you can do with it when you, you know what to do with it, when you know there's a game to be played and what the rules are. Um, and that's what we do. We show people the game, we teach'em the rules. And, um, yeah. And then, I mean, the certifications, one of the reasons that you can, that. It's fun to be around a lot of en lifted coaches. It's cause everybody's breathing better. Mm-hmm. this, these groups of groups of enlisted coaches are breathing better than your average group of people because to, and I've certified all of'em. So I know, uh, they've, they've gone into some of slash a lot of very frequently the worst stories that they've got. And they've broken those spells and to the degree that they have, they've liberated mental real estate and unlocked their breath. Okay. That's the big thing. So we're known as the language people. We might as well be known as the language and the breathing people and gun ahead. It's about the breath. Mm-hmm. you know, fine words and squiggles and sounds. And I'm here to help unlock your breathing in because most people's breathing in their chest. And what we're here to do is help people unlock the breath so it descends back down into the abdomen. And it's a process. It takes time. Uh, and, and, and so when people are breathing better, they're. Feeling better, they're smiling more, they're way more likely to laugh. They're way more fun to be in a relationship with, They're way more fun to collaborate with in a professional sense. Uh, they're a lot, it's a lot harder to control them. Mm-hmm. uh, fastest way to control somebody is to scare'em. And if someone's breath is already trapped in their chest, that means they're edgy, they're reactive, and then he's fucking just pull a couple of levers and you can get'em to do some real weird shit. Yeah.

bill 19:46

Yeah. Um, you, one thing I heard in a Ronnie Landis podcast was that the best way to master your craft is to teach the craft. Mm-hmm. And another interesting thing that came up via that conversation was teaching these students to teach better than you, which is something I've never heard. And I was. Incredibly fascinated by, And that's, that's a beautiful thing in terms of, you know, the work that you do and reflecting on that and, and what it can offer the world and what it could turn into, you know, the possibilities are endless. So, um, where do you see all the, I mean, there's really no way of telling how large this project and this movement and this way of life, uh, could go where, where do you foresee it heading yourself?

mark 20:44

So, to give some context, um, about the fact that negating knowledge, we're not fucking around. Um, as far as the, uh, the target, the targets that we've placed or, or, or identified and the, the plans that we have and the people that we have, um, on our teams. So I've been doing this for 15 years, somewhere between full time and overtime the whole time. It, it, I'm so grateful for it cuz it, it holds my attention. I was a horrible student in school, dude. Like I could go on 30 minute tangent, Ran tangent about that. Um, this work holds my attention. It's one of the things I bring to the table. Uh, and Adam Chen, he comes from a very prestigious, my business partner. He comes from a very prestigious sales and personal development background. The guy's fucking super smart man. Mm-hmm. um, Kimberly Casting, she's a force of nature. Uh, she, she's the Getting Lifted podcast. Mm-hmm. We've got two phenomenal co-hosts. Chopper Dave Robinson and Chase Tolleson. Uh, just had a baby shout out to to his new family. Um, we have an app in the app store now. Two and a half years ago, uh, I got on a phone call with a guy, cuz he made me a, um, one of, one of my friends had one of his friends make this really nice, uh, wooden board for me to serve combo off of him. I'm like, Dude, this is sweet man. How'd they and, and, um, got on a phone call with the guy and he goes, Have you ever, And he had taken core language upgrade. Eric Blackwell. Eric Blackwell, yeah. And he goes, Have you ever, uh, thought about making an app? And I've had three or four people mention that to me. And, um, and, and every time I'm like, Yeah, yeah, whatever. Uh, and I'm like, Yeah, we have, and you know, we, there's, there's a tremendous opportunity there. And I didn't think the, I didn't know for one of the reasons. I don't have negation acknowledge the experience to be able to vet people, uh, from that world. So they can tell me whatever, and I'll be like, Oh, okay. Um, so I passed him off to, to Adam, and Adam gets on a phone call with this guy and then they get off and he calls me immediately. He goes, Where did you find this dude? He's a professional project manager for tech companies and this is the, this is what he does at a very high level and his, I mean, get paid to do this. So we created another, um, another llc, uh, and we have an app, a team of people that this is exactly what they do. Um, they've been working on it for two years. Our app is in the app store now, which is a big deal, and it's working and they're collecting data on how to make it better. Uh, and I dropped Eric off at the. The airport last week, and I asked him, I was like, Dude, if this was, um, if we had paid for this, what would, what would all the man hours and everything come up to? And he had to think about it for a minute and he's like, 1.5 million. Oh shit. Yeah. For that app. And then so there's, we're pretty close to having mapped out the English language. Mm-hmm. as in the language patterns of the victim mentality to the degree that it's functional. I mean, we can always, you know, that last 10%, do you really need that? I mean, fine, whatever. Let's just get people, let's get people 50%. Okay. Better using their words. Mm-hmm. Uh, so we've done a damn good job on the English language and. There's only so many ways I can piss myself off in German there's only so many ways I can script the victim mentality in Cantonese. So the opportunity to using the app, um, and I know how we would do it. Generally speaking, we would hire a couple of, uh, uh, uh, linguists and behavioral psychologist with their native language being in whatever language that we wanted to go into next. Cuz we got the key. The key is Abra Cadabra. Yep. With my words. I influence these aspects of myself. And then we just do the same thing we did with English is just re reverse engineer it. Okay. What squiggles and sounds am I using to create the victim villain mental imagery. Okay, what, what language patterns are the most stressful? And then we just pick a language, go into it, reverse engineer the victim centricity in that language and then map the. the, uh, the opposite of that and make it easy for people to learn. And fun. And fun. You know, we've done a good job of demystifying the conversation about mindset and identity and also gamifying it. Mm-hmm. Um, so where could this thing go as far as the app is concerned? We could scale this thing into every language on the planet. Uh, as far as the, um, certifications go, right now it's 120 people per year, which is nice. We want to be on Slow Growth Magazine, the cover of Slow Growth Magazine. Just a little bit, a little bit, a little like this. We're not going anywhere. Negation translation, we're here. We love what we do. We're good at it. Uh, our, our work ethics are for forged of Bethlehem Steel and whatever the X factor is, we've got 19 of'em. And so, The only thing we have to do is to keep showing up. And we will, uh, you know, we'll make our mistakes just like everybody. We will continue to make, um, forward progress, um, in, in the ways that we do and build this thing into something that, um, could, could very easily be a household lifestyle brand. And when it starts getting to that, when it's when we start really taking off, I'm a fucking outta here, dude. I'm out I'm getting out. I'm out because, um, at some point in time I will be the bottleneck. Yeah. Yeah. And I like, like I said, I'm not here for the Shine, dude. I'm not on the pod. I've been on our own pod podcast twice except for those, you know, essentials at the beginning. Mm-hmm. Um, I'm not on social media. It's like it's, and that's how I want it. At some point in time. Uh, and I've, I've, I think about the exit strategy. You know, I love a good old, That's exciting. It it, dude, thank you. You're absolutely right. I, I've said this to a number of people and they're like, Really? You're

bill 27:50

gonna leave when things are getting into, You'll still be involved. You'll still be a part of the team. Dude, I,

mark 27:55

of course man, I'll, you know, send me a postcard and my royalty checks to this undisclosed PO box in the Caribbean. Yeah, I'm good. You all go for it. Um, cuz I'm good at starting something and then getting outta the way and I will know when to get outta the way. Mm-hmm. uh, and knowing that that's gonna happen helps me appreciate like these moments now more as in these lake house moments and each certification. Um, and that does dovetail back into, um, you know, what I said about being, I don't wanna be the best to ever do it. as in story work. I wanna be the best to ever, to be the best to ever teach it right now. And you'll know the quality of a teacher based on the quality of their students. Students. Mm-hmm. And after that, it's outta your hands, okay? Mm-hmm. So, um, and will it be a complete ghosting? Probably not. What it will likely be is, um, a two, one or two step remove removal from the business. And I, I mentor the coaches from the an undisclosed PO box in the Caribbean. Um, and let them go out and do it, and make mistakes and get things right and learn and develop their skill and practice and path. Cuz that is what the language game is. It's, it's a pr, it's a pa, it's jujitsu, dude. It's jujitsu and everybody's got their own style and, um, It's part of the reason why people love it is because there's infinite room for their creative expression and their own timing and their own rhythm. It's just like jewelry, you know? Mm-hmm. you could take, you, you could take 20 students and they have the same, they have the same three classes every year for three years. Same curriculum, and you'll have 20 different jewelers. Exactly. Fact fiction. Fact. Yeah. Same thing here. Mm-hmm. And, um, Yeah. So the, the, Yeah. The answer is, um, we got a good shot. We got a good shot at it. At as far, making this a billion dollar business, I, I said this a long time ago. We've got a real shot. We've already done a mill. Mm-hmm. We've done a mill in gross revenue, and as the saying goes, um, the first million is impossible. Mm-hmm. Million is impossible. 10 million is unlikely. A hundred million is inevitable. Okay. So what's the name of the game? Make a Mill and I mean, the amount of thug dude, the amount of thugging, thugging it out and, you know, thousand dollar paychecks for the month and don't even know you're gonna get that next month. Mm-hmm. that, Did we, We've done that. Yeah. Um, and um, yeah, you know, people like feeling good and, and another thing, uh, people talk about mindset so much. Great. Let's keep talking about it. Mindset, personal development. The, the spiritual healing space. I get into those conversations and I track the words, the words that are coming outta their mouth. And it's just inflammation. It's inflammation language. 95% of the time, what is it? What do I see when, what do I look at when I see that? I just, tremendous opportunity. Tremendous opportunity mindset. It's this thing that's held in this big picture way most of the time. And, and it's this thing I know I need to get better at, but how? And then there's that confident person looking over there and Wow, that looks fun. Mm-hmm. and I'm over here. Whoops. Would've been nice, but I need to build my mindset. Okay. You add in the specific words, uh, here, use less of these words and use some more of the, use more of these words and slow down your rate of speech a little bit and get a breath in there from time to time and owe that story that has been haunting you for the last 15 years. Pick up a pen and title it and write it out conversationally in detail. Air on the side of more detailed and less, and include in the very end in one sentence what that story means about you and your life. Get that on pa and then, then it's like we just, Things get easier. Things get easier. So there's a huge need for this. There's a huge market for this. Um, I've known it

bill 32:23

from the start. We definitely need help right now as people and as humans. You know, just considering the state of our health and how it's continually declining at a rapid rate, three outta four people being obese or overweight, and being stuck in the matrix and in their programming and the things that have been handed down to them, uh, you know, without their knowing that they're continuing to live by, um, you know, all of us have been there. We find ourselves in a position where, uh, we're just unhappy yet, you know, it's working just enough to continue to make it work and there's potentially certain variables that are okay. Um, and then you find people like the enlisted community that. Allow you to see that there is more to life and, and programs, uh, such as the core language upgrade, the enlisted coaching program, the, you know, the whole language work paradigm. Um, these super practical steps to take, to just create more coherence and to be able to see things in a way that allow you to grow in the direction you want. But, um, I'm, it, it, it's interesting to see it evolve at the rate it is and it has me curious. Is it, Do you, have you guys had anyone, like, is there, I know there's science behind this sort of thing, but, uh, one thing that popped into mind was its use in clinical psychology. Mm-hmm. you know, and then I've also heard many things around, you know, from Dave Robinson and a few other people, and some, just some random st statistics that have popped up on my timeline that this type of work, coaching work, working one-on-one, working the stories out, reframing the identity, uh, things along these lines are just as effective as clinical psychology. So, you know, these classical modalities of, you know, figuring ourselves out seem to be less effective than, you know, what this has to offer. And it's wild how many people don't know about it and how simple and approachable it is. And, um, yeah, it's just very fascinating to me.

mark 34:51

A lot of psychology and psychiatry. Um, that shit's over my head, dude. Mm-hmm. Uh, and I keep coming back to the same thing. Have you written the story down? Have you written the story down? Is that story on paper or is it in your head? And I keep staring at the same exact thing, story in the head. Very disorganized, hard to get a bead on seemingly infinite. Where does it start? Where does it stop? I'm in the, the story's in me. I'm, I'm in the story. It's subjective. It's still personal. My breath is trapped in my chest over and over and over again. Uh, and, and then once the story is written down on paper, now there's, there's a difference there. There's a profound difference there. Um, it's now finite. There's the first word. There's the last word. Myself and the client, or who? The coach and the client. We're now looking, we're on the same page. We're looking at the same set of words. And then, and then, um, is it, So most people's stories that they, um, suffer from repeatedly, potentially relentlessly, uh, they have a couple of things in common. We're not even get into the language patterns of'em. I mean, we can, and just keep it really simple, they, it's not written down and their breath is trapped in their chest. And if I retell that story, Having re rehearsing it from memory, keeping my breath trapped in my chest, very likely using the exact same words. I'm getting the exact same thing over and over and over again. And to make it even worse, I'm getting better at it. I'm getting better at telling that story and, and, and charging the emotions and feelings most of the time because of this thing called myelination. So whatever we do, we get better at it. Whatever we do these neuros, synaptic networks, and this is about as much I talk about neuroscience because that's as much as I want to talk about neuroscience and understand there's this stuff called Mylan. And so the first time that you made a piece of jewelry compared to the last piece of jewelry that you made, there's a, there's a network in your mind, in your brain, um, hardware. And the, the more you do it, the, it's like, um, little, little. Pieces of napkin, they just ra white stuff that gets wrapped around and, and, and then, uh, uh, the electrical currents, uh, these, these, they, they flow a lot better. Okay. So you don't have to think about it so much. Let's just take kickboxing For me, I've been kickboxing on and off for 26 years mm-hmm. and there's a lot of stuff I don't have to think to do anymore. Okay. That's because I've myelinated a network about it, which means, um, yeah. It's the same thing with telling a shitty story over and over again. People get better and better and better at being a victim if they keep. Telling victim centric stories. Um, and this is not blaming the victim. Okay, everybody, this is, this is, this is victim. This is not victim blaming. This is victim mentality explaining, uh, let's do it for the umpteenth hundredth time. And I'll, I'm just getting started. The definition of the victim mentality. So circling back to that guy that scrubbed our thing, like people are, this is the stuff that perks people's ears up the most. I've been talking about this for a years, over a decade, and, um, there's something that happens when people hear the definition of the victim mentality. It clicks, okay? And if you want to get even more, your money's worth out of this. This conversation that, that wild bill the jeweler, That's how he's in my phone. Uh uh And I are having, pick up a pen and write down the definition of the victim mentality, cause I'm about to recite it. The victim mentality is an acquired personality trait where a person tends to regard himself or herself as the victim of the negative actions of others. Even in the absence of clear evidence. The victim mentality depends on a habitual thought process and attribution. So let's look at that again. The victim mentality is an acquired personality trait where a person tends, it's a tendency they tend to regard themselves as the victim of the negative actions of others, even in the absence of clear evidence. And that's the first sentence, The second sentence just right between the eyes, right where it belongs. The victim mentality depends. As in it has to have a habitual thought process and attribution. Habitual thought process accurately implies duration and addiction. This thing does not get set up overnight, and we can totally get addicted to it. Uh uh. And so if there's a habitual thought process that the victim mentality has to have, what, what's the thought process? What are the, what are the words? What are the, what are the words that have to be there in order to script the victim bill and dynamic? And that last part, uh, habitual thought process and attribution. There's only one attribution that I give a shit about, and also attribution is characteristics. Attribution is, is the breath, breath trapped in the chest? It's super easy to take shit. Breath trapped in the chest. It's super easy to, uh, get myopically focused on something. Breath trapped in the chest. It's super hard to listen well. Mm-hmm. Okay. Charlie Chaplin said it. Life viewed under a microscope is a tragedy viewed from afar. It's a comedy breath trapped in the chest. That shit is in your face. Breath down here. You get the zoom out and you're like, Yeah, that happened. And so, um,

bill 41:00

it's a beautiful way to transcend, you know, the animalistic, um, you know, the core purpose of the nervous system, which is. Keep us alive. Um, so it's interesting how the mind can just continuously have tunnel vision on the threats and the dangers when, you know, in modern day society and modern day life, there really are no life threatening situations. It's just our brain on an energetic le well, our brain interprets them. And on an energetic level, it does feel like a survival threat. So the language work and, you know, breaking these issues down to the basic constituents, the words and the stories, utilizing the breath to, you know, zoom out as you were saying. Uh, it, it's an incredible way to navigate these issues. And, and it's interesting. It's, this is such a prominent way to evolve as a society, you know, It, it, it allows us to move forward and just to continue to, um, you know, do the things we want to do.

mark 42:09

Yeah, man, it, um, two of my favorite quotes, uh, in context to this work. So I went on an Allen Watts bender, um, specifically in with Chill Step. Okay. So Allen Watts, they would take some of his best quotes and they would put it to Chill Step and I'd six weeks, I would just listen over and over and over again, and until finally I got the statement. Okay. And then once I heard it, I didn't wanna listen to it anymore. So I'm like, Okay, well then that's why I was on and out and watch Bender. When you learn to think about your thinking, you become alive in a new way. Most people are not thinking about their thinking. They're thinking, Okay, also known as Believ. That voice in their head. Yeah, it's a voice in my head. Of course, it's right. Let's go with it. First time, first. First. I, I nailed it. I nailed it the first time when I was seven when that thing happened. And I keep hearing that same voice in my Yeah, yeah. Let's, let's run with it. What could possibly go wrong? No, you wanna learn to think about your thinking and it's very easy to think about your thinking once some of your thinking is written down on paper. Cause then you can see it. Okay. And then, then another one, I was listening to the Rizza on the Joe Rogan podcast and he quoted the Bagga bag Gita. And, um, I don't know if this is true or not, and I feel that it's true. Uh, uh, self-reflection will take man further than prayer. Self-reflection will take man further than prayer. And what I'm certain about is that a lot of stuff that people are praying for help with, they can help themselves with it. Uh, cuz there's a story to it and that story can change. Um, and the, the, one of the fun parts about this work is, like I said earlier, you know, we've gamified it and we've simplified it. Uh, once people feel the difference between these words and then these words like, Oh, that dude was serious. I am, I'm serious and I'm sincere. And where we start the conversation most of the time. So, uh, Wednesday I'm keying a, uh, uh, a, a day long. I've got the, the am slot, eight to nine for a hundred senior financial analysts. And, um, guess what? We're also, guess what we're talking about there. All this stuff plus soft talk. Mm-hmm. this soft talk is the gateway drug. What the hell is soft talk? Do you have a goal? For, uh, 2023. In, in, in personal or professional Wild bill?

bill 45:03

Uh,

mark 45:05

2023. Yeah. Any goal? Could be a traveling somewhere. Could be something with the biz. Could be the Tucson Gem Show.

bill 45:15

The Tucson Gem Show is happening.

mark 45:17

Okay. Cool. Everybody see the words the Tucson Gem Show is, is happening? For sure. How's it feel to say that

bill 45:28

Concrete, It's solidified. Perfect. It's

mark 45:30

going down. Put a, put one word in there. Put the word maybe in there anywhere.

bill 45:35

I'm maybe going to the Tucson Gym Show

mark 45:39

for sure. the Tucson Gym Show is happening for sure. Maybe What happens to the energy? What happens to the feels, the vibe?

bill 45:48

Um, it essentially allows me an opportunity to not go. unconsciously. Um, it's, yeah, it's, it, it doesn't feel as if I'm going to do it. With that being said,

mark 46:05

and that's just one word. Mm-hmm. so there's a handful of words, everybody, and I promise you, they're in your language and they're doing things, uh, uh, uh, they're, it's called Soft Talk. There's only a handful of them, and they're responsible for a vast majority of people's anxiety, indecision, and anxiety. In, in decision. They're, they're, they're both stressful. It's like Baskin Robbins. There's all different kinds of flavors of stress and when someone uses a lot of soft talk, they will create indecision. And if they continue making, creating indecision, they will eventually identify themselves as an indecisive person and then things get worse. Cuz once we identify ourself as something for better and for worse, we get better at it. Uh, it gets more entrenched and if anyone wants to learn a lot more, it's a great Read The Talent Code by Daniel Coyle about My Nation and the Power of Identity. Read the Talent Code. It's the best book. I, we, it was required reading for I think the first 15 of our certifications, and now it's recommended reading. Mm-hmm. But I've been, I've been teaching on and off with that book for, for 10 years. Um, and so the soft talk out of all the, the, the aspects of the habitual thought processes that the victim mentality has to have, this is the easiest to get your mind around, and it's the easiest to practice. Okay. So let's do the soft talk. C. And, uh, if, if we got another five minutes? Yeah, we got time. Okay, Perfect. We'll do, we'll do the soft talk challenge and then, um, uh, whatever else you wanna talk about. Mm-hmm. But this is this. So there's this thing, everybody, it's called the reticular activating system. And, uh, it's responsible for several things. One of them is that phenomenon. When you buy a new car, you start seeing that car all over the place. You ever had that experience? Mm-hmm. What's the car?

bill 48:10

Uh, a Jeep. A Jeep. It's a Jeep Wrangler. Jeep Wrangler.

mark 48:14

Yeah. Let me guess. There's a lot of people with a Jeep wrangles out there. Oh yeah. And they wave at you, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. And people that, uh, uh, don't have Jeep, right? They're un. Know about this thing going on. And so what happens, it's, I've used that analogy so many times and a lot of hands go up when they're like, Oh yeah, Subaru Forester, a Ford F two 50, or whatever it is. So what happens, what's happening there? You have this piece of hardware called the reticular activating system, and it's responsible for, it has a search function, it's got an edit function. So once something gets deemed important again, better, for better and for worse, then uh, it starts to look for more and more of those things. And while it's finding it's on a search mission to find more and more of those things, it's editing out anything that's not that. So while you're picking up more Jeeps because you're driving a Jeep, um, I drive a Jeep and, uh, uh, you're, we are editing out blue o's mobiles, uh, green vans cuz it's not the thing that we're, we're focused on. Um, and, uh, our language, it look up the invisible gorilla too. That's the most Oh, yeah. That's the most famous familiar with that social psychology study about that. Uh, um, it, it's, it's spooky how much influence our, our reticular activating system has on what we see, how we see ourself. Um, uh, one of our language games is we have people write down one sentence. I'm gonna do this with these financial analysts on Wednesday. How can I ever get over this? Have'em write it down mm-hmm. and describe the vibe and what the picture looks like. How can I ever get over this? And then we take out one word and we scratch out the word ever. How can I get over. And most people go from mountain to mole hill, this insurmountable picture, cuz the particular activating system creates images too. Uh uh, or, or it's, it's a lens that allows us to see things in a certain way. Uh, uh, It's this, it's this thing that's impossible to get over. How can I ever get over this? Which means it's in, it's not a question, folks, I'm saying it in a certain way. Um, uh, with a, an emotional spike. And you know, the translation is, I'm screwed. Why? And try. Don't try, just sit down and take it resignation. Um, I'm a victim of circumstance. See how we get there? And then we scratch out one little word ever. And now we've got a real question. How can I get over this drama volume way down? And, and then it's a presupposition. I presuppose that there's an answer, there's a solution. And so my particular activating system goes, Okay, cool. I'll go start looking for answers and solutions, and now I'm actively engaged in the thing as opposed to an innocent bystander, just a spectator in the stands getting run over by life once again. And so, uh, um, part of the soft talk challenge is to write, Everything starts with awareness folks to write down these words five times larger. There's a handful, there's 10, 11, 5 times larger than you normally write on a clean sheet of paper and put that piece of paper somewhere where you're gonna see it every day for seven days. We've been running this thing for years and it works because it raises the awareness about these words, which you're gonna start to hear more and more in your language. You're definitely gonna see'em in your texts and your emails. Um, And then you can start doing that thing. You just take out the maybe No, I'm going to the Tucson Gem Show, or the, the guess. You know, I, I, I guess I'm drinking too much coffee or pro, uh, I, I, it's almost like I'm procrastinating. Mm-hmm. uh, um, you know, I, I probably should spend some more time with my wife, uh, and these things that we use, you know, it's, I, I, I, I think I'm, I'm. Still a little angry at that person. Mm-hmm. And we use these words to keep things at at, at the tips of our fingers and keep us out of making a decision and moving forward and taking action. And, uh, it's a big deal and you're gonna feel it. So here are the words. Get a clean sheet of paper, write them down five times larger cuz what that's gonna do, the RAs, your reticular activating system's gonna go, Why am I writing these things down five times larger? And then it's also gonna go, don't worry about it dummy, just pay attention to it. Okay. Maybe think might kinda, sorta, possibly, probably. hopefully. And try put could in there too. Could they guessing could go together a lot. I guess I could start my own business one day. what's gonna happen with that set of words? It's a spell. The definition of a spell everybody A word or a combination of words. Of great influence. That's Webster's definition of not my wild. Build a jeweler. What's gonna happen with, I guess I could start my own business one day, period. What's gonna happen? It will maybe

bill 54:04

happen, but likely not

mark 54:06

happen. I was about to say, my money is, That's not gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah. It's not gonna happen. And they're gonna say that same damn thing tomorrow and then next week when they flirt with the idea of maybe doing it. Hopefully once they get around to it. Once. Once everything's perfect. Take those words out of here's, here's the enlisted promise. One of them, if you cut your soft talk in half, you'll double your confidence. And when you think about you with double the confidence, that's a, that's, that's real. Oh, by the way, it's free. Very

bill 54:43

much so. Yeah. And as we were discussing before, we have the next project in queue. Fuck yeah. Dude. The Memento Mori Medallion here, which is a bracelet of yours. It's a bracelet that we're gonna, we're gonna remix up and yeah, we are bring to life in a new manner. So

mark 55:03

Memento morri like this. Now this, this dovetails back into, you know, my exit strategy. Mm-hmm. And, and then that's, that's like the small exit strategy. The big exit strategy is me dying. Uh, I was in a, I was doing a workshop down in, um, training down in, These are such great pieces, but the mm-hmm. Do people fucking love them? They're, um, down in Australia it was, um, holographic kinetics, which was, there's something to it. It's weird and cool. And, uh, when was, it was 2011 and this guy stopped the whole thing right in the middle of training. And he looked around and he goes, Y'all, y'all are acting like you're not gonna die. You are. Mm-hmm. you're gonna die. Your ass is grass. Nobody gets outta here alive. You're acting like you're not. Mm-hmm. And, um, I keep that in mind too. My best answer for dying well is living well because I know how I wanna go out. I wanna go out with the mental real estate. I can just ho hope I, I request the enough mental real estate for however it is when I'm. It like literally stepping out the door, uh, to go, Cool, and then I'm ready and I know what I've got. Own words. Right. Just that's it. Ideal. That's it. And, um, Memento Mori. Reme means, remember, you will die. Mm-hmm. And that helps me live better, dude. Yeah. Oddly enough. So in these pieces, you can see on wild bill's, uh, Instagram, um, silver Garnet. So what I'm thinking is in, in the same vein, cause I don't want them to match in the same vein. Now maybe the, maybe this is the clip or maybe the, the clip is, is it's, it's small squares with a. Maybe on every third or fourth. Mm-hmm.

bill 57:14

little square. Okay. Some

mark 57:15

custom links. Some custom links. Oh yeah. Only built for Cuban links. Mm-hmm. shout out to the Wu-Tang clan uh, uh, some custom links and then some kind of clasp and yeah. Maybe the clasp is back here. Uh, that, that's, you know, that's a wild bill. Mm-hmm. call or at least con conversation. Yeah. But that, um, yeah, that's what I

bill 57:39

would like. Righteous. Yeah. The me, the memento mori, that's, I mean, it's easy to, Most of us are not thinking of the cold, hard fact that we will be moving on from this life, this life, which is a gift. Uh, you know, when, I mean, we, we don't know. We don't know when that will happen. Ideally, we'll have the opportunity to live. A life fully into older age, if that's your style. But I do love the idea of, uh, a physical representation of that concept and idea. And I know this is something that's commonly implemented into jewelry arts and wearable items so that it can be a functional beacon of, you know, reminding you of that fact of death, which yeah, that, that will allow us to embrace that and to utilize it as a springboard. Thank you. Do the thing. What is the thing?

mark 58:55

Do the thing. That's exactly right. Cuz it doesn't nega it. It goes past, Okay. Oh, I'm gonna die. Okay, so what does that mean? Take some fucking shots, bro. take some fucking shots. No risk. No magic. It's one of my favorite things. Take some shots. No risk. No magic. Take some swings. Okay? Get in the arena. Go for it. Go ahead, go for it and fuck up. Okay, go for, Go ahead. Hurry up and fuck up. Mm-hmm. And then do it slightly better next time. And then the 16th rendition of it. We'll be decent and if you keep going you might even get good. Mm-hmm And if you keep going still, then you could you just start and keep going. Yeah. Decide and thug it out. Cuz guess what? Your ass is grass. You're toast. You're gonna die, You're gonna. What

bill 59:47

was, So you have a degree in educating, I imagine there was a lot of courses oriented towards getting up in front of groups and expressing None. None. Wow. I see. Cuz I'm very curious to hear how one does it at the level that you do. And I know we'll get into repetition here. Um, but that's one thing I would say that a majority of people are terrified to do. Mm-hmm. It's just to get up, present something, uh, do it in a way that feels natural, being themselves, being charismatic, uh, you know, just filling the room with energy and love and an experience that one can remember. One that will imprint on the people that are participating, uh, as the listeners in the present. So where, where did that journey emerge for you and what does that process look like of, you know, moving through the mental hoops, you know, all the different ideas that one that would hold you back from actually getting up in front of a crowd and doing it. Cuz that's, it's interesting, you know, we all know how to sit down and have a conversation and talk and, you know, relax into ourselves and have some fun. Um, but to do it in front of a group and, um, create an impact via the word and your voice. And use your voice as your super power to relay something that you care about or you know, something you believe that is important. Um, what are some of the actionable steps that, what are the key actionable steps that allowed you to be at the level you are with public speaking and just to do it because. You're not thinking, you're not think. I mean, okay, some presentations are more organized than others, but you've, you've taught this work for so many years that it's crystallized and it's, it's to a point of unconscious competence. There's no conscious input in when you're in a flow. I imagine,

mark 1:01:57

um, having a good why that always helps. Um, cuz most people, myself included, you'll be shitting yourself when you first start. Uh, and that ain't going anywhere. It's not like, okay, the first presentation you give, you're shitting yourself. And then the second one, Wow, you just got all this confidence. No, you got, It's like going to jiu-jitsu. You're getting your ass kicked every time you go in that door, okay? For the most part. Um, and for me, uh, I gave, I started giving presentations workshops in 2007 because I needed to fill up my, I needed clients. And one of the best ways to do that is to get in front of people mm-hmm. and to demonstrate your skill set. Um, and yeah, I stopped counting in 2017 when I got off stage at TEDx, uh, 500 professional presentations. Um, I just kept going. I just, um, I was like, Fine, I'm not counting anymore. Um, having a good why and, and seeing it as a, as a craft. Okay. As a craft, as an. Okay. The, the, the language work, whether it's in one-on-one session or it's, um, in a workshop or a talk. It is, it is an, it is an aspect of my craft. I am a craftsman. Mm-hmm. it is art. And I am an artist and I am there to, um, create art. I am there to, uh, develop my skill set. And if you keep going, when it comes to public speaking and you improve your skill set, um, you'll start to get into some very interesting areas of, you'll starting to get, get into some very interesting experiences with it, you know, Uh, and that, that really happens when you get over you, you, you, you ascend, summit and descend the mountain top of confidence. Cause most people start insecure very in. I did, and I was just praying for a sliver of confidence. I thought confidence was the, was the, the pinnacle? No, not even close. Uh uh, Confidence is way better than, um, insecurity. And it's still, You see what I do with my breath? It's still this posturing. My breath is still up here. Okay? I'm still in a, in a semblance of stress response. Now, granted, I look a lot better on stage, confident than insecure. And what you want to do is you want to get past confident. There's a whole promise. Land past confident, and it's called comfort. You want to be comfortable in whatever the thing is that you're, whatever the skill is, and therein, Real magic Therein lies the thing comes through you. Therein lies that flow state. Therein lies that razor's edge of rhythm and timing and interaction with your, your audience and, um, very little to know chatter. You're not thinking, you're observing and acting and, and in that space you get to see all the other stuff that you fucking miss, which is, there's plenty and it's all very interesting when you're all puckered up and the breath is in the chest and you're second guessing your life right before you're about to go on stage. Mm-hmm. Okay. See that progression there? Yep. And, and it's this thing, it's mileing, it, it's just you keep doing the reps. Mm-hmm. and getting better and better at it until the breath descends down into your act. Like I, martial arts, mixed martial arts, kickboxing. It's the only sport I follow. All the baddest people like the, the goats the greatest. They're all good breathers. They're all good breathers. So coming back to that again, if you wanna, if you want to master public speaking, you must master your breath. Otherwise, you're gonna sound like a tool straight up. Like it's, it's the, it's 99% of my professional time is dedicated to the certs and enlisted. And, uh, I don't advertise randomly. People approach me about public speaking skills, and I'm a professional speaker. I'm a professional speaking coach. And, um, again, that's just, it's just, it's a side gig. Uh, and we're talking about breathing within the first, Well, it's actually immediate in, in an indirect way. Uh, most of the, the packages, most of the, the, the time in the, in the coaching packages that I. It's public speaking. Half of it's story work, dude. Uh, and that's another thing that peop most people that do public speaking never get into, is going into these stories of, um, constriction and um, uh, uh, these, these stories that the part of them that's on them failing. So it's team me and it's team me failing. Mm-hmm. It's like, we've got these, these, it's a, it is this. We've got different parts of us. You gotta, you don't have to do anything and you gotta go in there and clean up that identity shit if you want to be able to shine on stage. Also known as being comfortable being seen. Mm. Okay. Here I am, Take a good look. And most people do not do that. They're just, they're, Which it, it, you know, Good. Please do that. They, you know, if they're smart. Um, you know, they work on the structure of this talk. They work on the, the, um, the, the, the curriculum, what they're gonna present. And don't even do that first. If you wanna be all gangster about it. Get a presentation, get a workshop, get a virtual event. Get it on the calendar first. Hmm. What are you, when are you doing it? That's the most important question. When are you giving your presentation? Okay. When and where, then who's coming then what are you teaching? I've seen more people, uh, uh, stall and kick the can and, and not pull the trigger cuz they're sitting, they're scr like, They're just digging around trying to get the, their, what they're gonna teach down to be perfect. And then I'm gonna go out and find a no. Duke Ellington said it. I don't need more time. I need a deadline. You gotta force an issue with yourself, otherwise you're Yeah, probably not gonna do shit.

bill 1:09:09

Excellent. Yeah, man. One more thing. What's up in Lifted Lake House story time? Give us, give us some insight into an experience here that change the game for you. It could be hilarious, it could be, you know, just generally impactful. Would love for the, the people to get a taste. I mean, we have gotten a taste of what's being created here and what the enlisted community and family's all about, but any particular experience that comes alive? With all that being said,

mark 1:10:02

damn, there's so many, so many. Um, I'll send you the picture so you can put it in the show notes. Perfect. Adam Chin, last Saturday night partying, uh, with the help of Ryan Sprague. Mm-hmm. we both know what that means. Mm-hmm. uh, I went downstairs and, and, and I, I'm a tracksuit guy. Wow. And someone had given me a, um, spirit hood. Hmm. A spirit hood shirt, or not a shirt, but it was a fucking cloak. And I came upstairs and he's. Summoning the mountain top on all the dimensions. And I put this thing on him and the whole party, just fucking, That

bill 1:11:00

was the picture you sent me. That's you sent me with the cloak, the fur, the fur coat glasses. Yeah. Beanie. I didn't even recognize him. I thought it was a random dude that I hadn't met.

mark 1:11:10

Yeah, that's Adam Chin. So it's, it's either that or the photo shoot that we did with Avery Wood out in the Avery wood out in the gar yard with, uh, her, um, in her bikini and an AK

bill 1:11:23

47. Yes. Yes. I'll send you that picture. Excellent. Those,

mark 1:11:27

those two, those two moments in time was,

bill 1:11:33

I'll be remembering that shit. Time for the books. Time's for the books for sure. Awesome, brother. Well, thank you so much for everything. Uh, truly have always felt the love and support from you, you know, supporting my art and just supporting me on my journey. Um, and, you know, everything that this community has resulted in, uh, you know, it's, it's very, it's very clear. It all comes through. So, appreciate y'all listening. Marky, Mark Garey, Gar, thanks for joining me. I'll take that over Gar and we will see y'all next time. Well, actually, we gotta get the plugs in. So if you want to just share any projects in the works, talk about the coaching program where people can find the enlisted work. Um, get in touch with that, and then we can part ways

mark 1:12:26

get enlisted. We have a podcast, and if you liked the conversation about the words, there's, it's the enlisted essentials. There's 11, most of'em are 10 minutes long, One of them's about 18. There's 11 mini, uh, mini shows. Myself and Kimberly casting on there, talking about specifics, very specifics in the words. Um, those are fun. And enlisted.me, uh, to check out, uh, what's cooking with those, those certs certifications. If you wanna learn how to break, break spells, break the spells of the victim mentality for you and uh, your clients, then we're the best in the business.

bill 1:13:07

That's a wrap smooch as y'all later, later.